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The Kenny Report | 24 June · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Good day and welcome to another week on the Kenny Report. Tonight,
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  Speaker 2: the alban easy labor government drops its big nuclear bomb
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  Speaker 2: into the energy debate, but it fizzes badly. I'll have
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  Speaker 2: a nuclear expert and a man who's mapping our reckless
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  Speaker 2: renewables roll out. The incoming Governor General about to get
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  Speaker 2: an eye watering pay rise. Also Sydney University sells out
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  Speaker 2: to the pro Palestinian and anti Israel protesters. So much
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  Speaker 2: to unpack too with Paul Murray, Gematon Yuni, Christy McSweeney
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  Speaker 2: and Media with Sophie Ellsworth.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about a pay rise to make your blood boil.
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  Speaker 2: So we need to discuss the person who represents our
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  Speaker 2: head of state in this country, the King's representative to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the Governor General, the current Governor General, former Defense Chief
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  Speaker 2: General David Hurley has only got weeks to go with
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  Speaker 2: the job and today he was at Parliament House for
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  Speaker 2: the formal unveiling of his portrait. But it's his replacement
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about. I've said before that I
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  Speaker 2: thought the selection of the new governor General was a
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  Speaker 2: mistake because Labor had chosen an activist for the role.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Moston is a successful business.
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  Speaker 1: And community leader, but she's been at.
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  Speaker 2: The forefront of business activism, the Woke Agenda, the ESG
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  Speaker 2: or environment, social and governance goals that have seen the
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  Speaker 2: corporate world playing in the social issues identity politics, gay marriage,
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  Speaker 2: the voice, and of course plenty of green activism and
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  Speaker 2: social justice too. Now that's fine for Sam Moston, of course,
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  Speaker 2: in her business and private life. But she's also a
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  Speaker 2: Republican by the way, apparently, so she doesn't really believe
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  Speaker 2: in the job that she's actually filling.
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  Speaker 3: But any activist is wrong for this job.
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  Speaker 2: The governor General has to be a political silent on
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  Speaker 2: all the issues of politics and ideology. And I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: this today because we learn that Labor is proposing new
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  Speaker 2: laws to boost her salary. Not an increase in line
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  Speaker 2: with inflation, not four percent, not even the twenty one
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  Speaker 2: percent increase that the CFMEMEU won over a few years
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  Speaker 2: for its members, but an increase of more than forty percent. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Governor General's salary is going from just under five
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year to just over seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. That's extraordinary seven hundred grand a year to
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  Speaker 2: stand around and look dignified and put your gender and
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  Speaker 2: equity activism to one side.
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  Speaker 1: We hope.
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  Speaker 2: How's that for social justice? Right in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis, Anthony Albernesi and labor are
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  Speaker 2: way out of touch. The nuclear debate is still producing
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  Speaker 2: more heat than light. Labour didn't get any more serious
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend. I mean, I don't know where you
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  Speaker 2: go from three eyed fish. All they're doing now is
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  Speaker 2: demanding costings, which the liberals have promised, even though labors
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  Speaker 2: never provided costings for their intermittent renewables experiment.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, given the late.
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  Speaker 2: Great Labor leader Bob Hawk backed nuclear energy and Anthony Albanez,
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  Speaker 2: he seems to think it's unfair to quote him. Labour
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  Speaker 2: rolled out their sole living great Paul Keating, but sadly
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  Speaker 2: for a man once noted the visionary reform and economic literacy,
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  Speaker 2: Keating referred reverted to his other well known characteristic sharp
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  Speaker 2: personal abuse. Keating statement about nuclear even had an abusive
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  Speaker 2: heading labeling Peter Dutton a climate denialist and a peddler
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  Speaker 2: of danger, making him sound like a pantomime villain. Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton is a charlatan, said Paul Keating, an inveterate climate
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  Speaker 2: change denialist. Really, Dutton is the first political leader Liberal,
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  Speaker 2: National Lab or Greens to provide a plan to get
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  Speaker 2: to net zero that is actually plausible under proven technology,
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  Speaker 2: and Keating says that's denihialism, and the abusive rant continued.
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  Speaker 2: Dutton's policy, says Keating, is that human induced climate change
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  Speaker 2: is a fraudulent concept propagated by environmentalists and left leaning
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  Speaker 2: fellow travelers, a concept he believes should be deplored and opposed.
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  Speaker 2: Now this typical Keating invective just doesn't make any sense,
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  Speaker 2: does it. I mean, Dutton has just unveiled the only
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  Speaker 2: feasible way to get to net zero, and Keating says
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to get there. Keating instead backs the
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  Speaker 2: intermittent renewable experiment favored by Labor, the Greens and the Teals,
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  Speaker 2: a model that hasn't worked anywhere else in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and one that no other country is even silly enough
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  Speaker 2: to try.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit sad.
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  Speaker 2: Really, does he see someone of Keating's stature shred his
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  Speaker 2: credibility with a s shoddy partisan attack like this. But
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  Speaker 2: if you expected this week from if you expected better
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  Speaker 2: this week from the current Prime Minister, you will have
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  Speaker 2: been sorely disappointed. Because, strangely, for a bloke who rejects
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  Speaker 2: nuclear energy, he dropped.
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  Speaker 1: A nuclear bomb this morning.
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  Speaker 2: It came in the form of a current state Liberal MP,
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  Speaker 2: former New South Wales Liberal Treasurer and Energy Minister Matt Kean.
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  Speaker 2: He resigned, announced his intention to resign only last week
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  Speaker 2: and he's now been announced as Labour's appointment to chair
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  Speaker 2: the Federal Climate Change Authority.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Kean understands the opportunity that the transition to clean
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  Speaker 4: energy represents.
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  Speaker 1: For our nation.
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  Speaker 4: He understood it as a member of the New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales government, and he understands it as someone who had
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  Speaker 4: focused he's working life in recent years on making a
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  Speaker 4: difference not just today but for the generations to come.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's a very charitable assessment, isn't it. Keen is
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  Speaker 2: actually the deeply green renewable energy zella who took New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales from secure affordable electricity to have its highest
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  Speaker 2: ever energy prices and facing blackouts over summer. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Keen him source himself has even had to warn people
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  Speaker 2: to conserve power.
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  Speaker 5: So what we want to see is if there is
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  Speaker 5: an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage, so
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  Speaker 5: perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed,
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  Speaker 5: that would.
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  Speaker 2: Help great memories. One way to keep your power build
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  Speaker 2: down is unplug everything. And now this bloke's going to
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  Speaker 2: advise Chris Blackout, Bowen and the Prime Minister about how
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  Speaker 2: to keep going down this path. It's extraordinary and true
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  Speaker 2: to form. Keen is already singing from the Labour, Greens
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  Speaker 2: and Teal hymn sheet opposing nuclear.
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  Speaker 5: In order to bring nuclear into the system, it would
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  Speaker 5: take far too long and would be far too expensive
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  Speaker 5: for New South Wales. Now, I didn't want to bankrupt
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  Speaker 5: the state and I didn't want to put those huge
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  Speaker 5: costs onto families.
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  Speaker 2: But strangely, just three years ago Kean was talking up
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  Speaker 2: the small modular reactors that Peter Dutton is now considering
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  Speaker 2: as part of his nuclear mix.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, the prototype of that is being developed, but
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  Speaker 5: we're not expecting that to be commercially available unto the
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  Speaker 5: mid twenty thirties. Into the future, will nuclear have a
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  Speaker 5: role to play? I think so and I hope so.
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  Speaker 5: But right now, I can't bet on technology that isn't
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  Speaker 5: readily available.
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  Speaker 2: Look, recruiting a political chameleon and a liberal in lame
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  Speaker 2: name only like this might strike Labor as a coup,
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  Speaker 2: but it actually just underscores their cynicism. The Liberal moderates
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  Speaker 2: have been disastrous on energy anyway. Just look at Malcolm Turnbull,
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  Speaker 2: who as Prime Minister gave us the snowy two point
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  Speaker 2: zero disaster, cost it at two billion and headed for
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  Speaker 2: twenty billion dollars if it ever works. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: as I just said, in New South Wales, Keen was
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  Speaker 2: so keen on renewables that he privately opposed a new
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  Speaker 2: gas generator for the Hunter Valley and he reluctantly told me,
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  Speaker 2: did it accept the federal government paying for this even
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  Speaker 2: though we didn't really need it?
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  Speaker 5: Well, we think that's the matter for the compwealth, and
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  Speaker 5: we welcome our investments of new infrastructure here in New
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  Speaker 5: South Wales that will create jobs and help us with
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  Speaker 5: our electricity grid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Keene didn't think his state needed the Araan coal
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  Speaker 2: fired power station either, and now the New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: Labor government is paying it hundreds of millions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: to stay online Keen got it wrong. New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: desperately needs the new gas generation and the remaining cold
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  Speaker 2: fire generation because he left the state in a perilous state.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's going to advise labor Geia help us.
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  Speaker 6: In relation to mister Kean, I recommended to the Prime
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  Speaker 6: Minister and in the cabin his apployment because I knew
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  Speaker 6: he was the best for the job.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, with mates like that, we're all in strife.
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  Speaker 2: In Parliament today, the Opposition asks some reasonable questions.
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  Speaker 6: Pro minister, what is the total cost of the government's
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  Speaker 6: energy plan and what will the capacity investment scheme cost
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  Speaker 6: tax payers?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what does Labour's plan costs?
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  Speaker 2: That's a reasonable question, of course, but there was no answer,
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  Speaker 2: just more of that Keating style abuse.
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  Speaker 1: We do have a plan on this side of the house.
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  Speaker 4: It's a plan that's been legislated and the reason why
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  Speaker 4: we have done that is because we know that the
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  Speaker 4: cheapest form of new energy is renewables and mister Speaker,
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  Speaker 4: Australia is home to some of the greatest sources of
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  Speaker 4: renewable energy in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Sunshine.
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  Speaker 4: Later, the leader in the opposition's anger and negativity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that?
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  Speaker 2: He just laughs at Dutton, but no figure for taxpayers,
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  Speaker 2: no reason to tell you how much the government's energy
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  Speaker 2: plan will cost you. I don't think that plays very
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  Speaker 2: well among the people who matter, and that is, of
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  Speaker 2: course the voters. Here's another pointed question that gets to
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  Speaker 2: Labour's scare campaign about three eyed fish.
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  Speaker 7: Is it safe for Australian Defense Force personnel to be
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  Speaker 7: on nuclear submarines with nuclear propulsion systems?
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  Speaker 8: Now, the short answer to the Honorable Member's question is
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  Speaker 8: it will be safe to serve.
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  Speaker 1: On a nuclear power support.
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  Speaker 8: But whilst Thow's opposite are trying to have some kind
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  Speaker 8: of culture war between nuclear and non nuclear, at the
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  Speaker 8: end of the day, this is about economics, because this
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  Speaker 8: is economically insane what they are seeking to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it's safe for the sailors on nuclear
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  Speaker 2: sub marines. They're in operation all around the world, and
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  Speaker 2: nuclear reactors are in operation all around the world. The
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  Speaker 2: last nuclear accident was at Fukushima. It was caused by
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  Speaker 2: an earthquake and tsunami, and there was not a single
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  Speaker 2: death from radiation. Despite all these salient facts, what's been
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to watch the last few days.
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  Speaker 1: Although entirely predictable, of course, is the way.
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  Speaker 2: The left leaning media has been barracking for the Albanese
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  Speaker 2: Labor government and its plan, taking up its attacks against
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear idea, and never really scrutinizing Labour's intermittent renewables experiment.
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  Speaker 9: Charles Peter Dutton certainly isn't holding back on this one.
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  Speaker 9: Certainly not Tom, particularly that time frame having two plants
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  Speaker 9: up and running by twenty thirty seven is ambitious in
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  Speaker 9: the same way me wanting to compete in pol volt
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  Speaker 9: at the Brisbane Olympics's ambition. Sure it's possible, but you
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  Speaker 9: wouldn't want to bet on it, and certainly not with
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  Speaker 9: taxpayer funds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just how ambitious is it to try to
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  Speaker 2: power a modern economy with renewables alone? I reckon that's
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  Speaker 2: ambitious enough to have me winning gold in the rhythmic gymnastics.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't Croucher and others in the press gallery ask
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  Speaker 2: how Labour's plan can possibly work, given it's failing already
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  Speaker 2: and no other country is even attempting it, and by
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  Speaker 2: the way, it's estimated to cost more than one thousand
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars a trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But Labour's never asked about that either.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at how taxpayer funded TV tricked up
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  Speaker 2: the issue yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I might missing something. Are we in a new twilight zone?
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  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 8: If I wanted to tune into a fantasy, I'd watched
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  Speaker 8: Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 6: If the Labor Party tried this from opposition, we would
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  Speaker 6: have been torn apart.
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  Speaker 10: So when will we see those costings?
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  Speaker 11: Very soon? Costs?
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  Speaker 1: Very soon?
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  Speaker 11: Days, weeks?
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  Speaker 1: I think very soon.
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  Speaker 9: It's the cost stupid and the cost of nuclear is
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  Speaker 9: way over the top.
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  Speaker 11: Why are you doing it?
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  Speaker 12: You'll have to ask what's done?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't come up with this fantasy?
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  Speaker 1: He did, Lap ask him all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that could have been cut by ALP headquarters,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't it, rather than the ABC? And then they had
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  Speaker 2: a panel of like minded journalists joining in on the
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  Speaker 2: nuclear denihalism.
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  Speaker 13: I think you'd have to say at the moment, it
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  Speaker 13: probably won't work. I think it's been a pretty poor
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  Speaker 13: start to the debate in terms of the coalition only
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  Speaker 13: naming the seven locations.
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  Speaker 2: The funny thing is that not so long ago, that's
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  Speaker 2: what Labor was demanding to know.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to have six large nucular actors spread around
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  Speaker 4: the country. Tell us where he has this so called
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  Speaker 4: plan on nuclear reactors where he won't tell you where
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be, but he's got to stump up
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  Speaker 4: with a policy including locations.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, suddenly they've got the locations and the locations don't
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  Speaker 2: matter anymore.
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  Speaker 11: But check this.
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  Speaker 14: Out, and Peter Duttany is clearly trying to tap in
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  Speaker 14: the pain that people are feeling currently and there is
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  Speaker 14: frustration with the renewal rolls. There's a lack of understanding
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  Speaker 14: for the average person who are just who's just looking
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  Speaker 14: at that bill?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those silly old average people, that is you, silly
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  Speaker 2: you for not understanding that when your power bill goes up,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually because labor is installing the cheapest form of
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  Speaker 2: energy in the world. Really, that's the problem. Average people
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  Speaker 2: don't get it.
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  Speaker 15: Yes, it can replace coal as a base load, but
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  Speaker 15: the way the energy grid has already changed is to
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  Speaker 15: have variable renewable in it, which is already happening at
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  Speaker 15: a large amount.
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  Speaker 14: And what we already.
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  Speaker 15: See is the need for energy sources that can be
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  Speaker 15: turned on and off to adjust for that. That's why
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  Speaker 15: we need batteries, That's why we need pumped hydro and
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  Speaker 15: we can provide what was a base load power through
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  Speaker 15: variable renewable if it's firmed.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a labor Greens tills line. They're saying, we've
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  Speaker 2: wrecked the joint already. The only way to fix it
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  Speaker 2: is to keep going down this path, and that's going
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  Speaker 2: to deliver through renewables a kind of baseload power.
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  Speaker 3: This is just nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: They don't even look at how it's working out now.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't worked out in any other country. It's such
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  Speaker 2: an unattractive idea, no other country is even trying to
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  Speaker 2: do it. And as for horrendously costly, with no costings
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  Speaker 2: and hugely risky, isn't that a perfect description of Labour's
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  Speaker 2: intermittent renewables plan. Why wouldn't journalists follow up on the
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  Speaker 2: costs and risks of Labour's plan. This is the critical
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  Speaker 2: factor missing from this debate right now. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: question of whether we should just embark on a bold
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  Speaker 2: nuclear energy strategy for the sake of it.
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  Speaker 3: The question is are we in an energy cost and
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  Speaker 3: supply crisis?
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  Speaker 2: Is it pushing prices ever higher, creating trauma for families,
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  Speaker 2: enforcing industries offshore and If that is the case, and
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  Speaker 2: it most surely is, how can we find a way
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  Speaker 2: out of it? How can we try and keep doing
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  Speaker 2: the same thing? How is that way out of this mess?
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  Speaker 2: To keep doing the same thing? What are our other options?
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  Speaker 2: And if we don't want to use coal and we
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  Speaker 2: don't want to use too much gas, there is only
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  Speaker 2: one option. It is nuclear energy, which is safe, affordable,
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  Speaker 2: zero emissions and proven technology. Get cracking on that, or
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  Speaker 2: take a punt on thousands of floating offshore wind turbines,
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of square kilometers of solar farms and
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  Speaker 2: so called green hydrogen which hasn't been commercialized anywhere yet.
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  Speaker 1: It's a no brainer.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Ann Webster, National MP from a Victoria
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  Speaker 2: joining us from Parliment House camera.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: And what's your thoughts of Matt Keane.
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  Speaker 2: He's still actually I think, on the payroll of the
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  Speaker 2: new South Wales Parliament as a Liberal MP. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think he's actually officially finished up yet. What do you
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  Speaker 2: think of him jumping.
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  Speaker 3: On board labors, renewables and climate plan?
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  Speaker 16: Hi Chris, great to be with you again. Look, Matt
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  Speaker 16: Kean is taking an opportunity something that he's clearly passionate about.
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  Speaker 16: I don't know him personally, I wish him well. It
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  Speaker 16: is actually up for the government to explain what they've
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  Speaker 16: done here and why they're doing it, why they want
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  Speaker 16: him particularly to be the chair of this CCA. So yeah,
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  Speaker 16: what can you say?
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  Speaker 2: As I've just outlined, though he's part of the problem.
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  Speaker 2: He's been pushing the renewable zealotry in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a state there now with.
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  Speaker 2: The highest power prices it's ever had, facing blackouts over summer.
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  Speaker 2: He said it wasn't too early to shut down a
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  Speaker 2: rah Ring. He said they didn't need a gas generation
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  Speaker 2: plant in the in the Hunter Valley. Now it's clear
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  Speaker 2: these are things that the state desperately needs.
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  Speaker 16: Well, Chris, I know that Australians aren't so worried about
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  Speaker 16: political appointments. What they're worried about is the cost of
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  Speaker 16: all of this cost of living generally in terms of
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  Speaker 16: their energy bills. They're not going down anytime soon that
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  Speaker 16: we can see. The plan that Labor have put into
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  Speaker 16: place is clearly failing. Why would we want to continue
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  Speaker 16: down this pathway? As you say eloquently point out, nuclear
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  Speaker 16: is an incredible option that nineteen countries who compare to
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  Speaker 16: Australia are already working with and benefiting from, and those
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  Speaker 16: who are signing up for it. And if we look
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  Speaker 16: at energy costs and bills, Ontario energy bills are around
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  Speaker 16: fourteen cents per kilowatt hour. That is significantly less than
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  Speaker 16: South Australia is paying right now and likewise victorious. So
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  Speaker 16: I think you know the Coalition have brought a very
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  Speaker 16: credible plan to the table. They're being honest with Australians.
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  Speaker 16: We want to see the moratorium lifted, we want to
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  Speaker 16: work with state and territory governments, and we want to
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  Speaker 16: see Australia prosper into the future. This is the way
• 19:04
  Speaker 16: to do it.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to get more into the detail of
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that in a moment, but I want to.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Stick with your political colleague.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Because the former leader of your own party had this
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: to say about Matt Kean.
• 19:16
  Speaker 11: The alien is consistent is this guy is treacherous. That's
• 19:20
  Speaker 11: what's consistent.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: And of course in the past can now said back
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: and go.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: He was never in our party way, we should have
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: joined the Labor Party at the start when he left school.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce, there and Webster.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Matt Kean's still a member of the Liberal Party, he's
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: now on a government body and he's publicly arguing against
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: coalition policy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Should he be expelled from the party.
• 19:42
  Speaker 16: Well, I think that's an issue for the New South
• 19:44
  Speaker 16: Wales Liberals. Obviously I'm in Victoria and Nat I'm not
• 19:48
  Speaker 16: a Liberal. Barnaby Joyce of course knows Matt Kean, so
• 19:52
  Speaker 16: Barnaby has more right to say what he says. But
• 19:56
  Speaker 16: I think that this is up for the government to explain,
• 19:58
  Speaker 16: and it's also up to the South Wales's Liberal Party
• 20:01
  Speaker 16: to make a determination on what they see is the
• 20:05
  Speaker 16: right process going forward.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us and I appreciate it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And Webster there, who's the national MP from Victoria joining
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: us from paralum House. Let's get into the nitty gritty
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: of the nuclear option now. I'm joined again by doctor ADYE. Patterson,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: who's the former CEO of ANSTOE, the Australian Nuclear science
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and Technology organization. Great to talk to you again, Ada.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The cost issue now, it seems to me that Labour's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: throwing everything at the cost issue. But obviously nuclear power
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: operates affordably and reliably in France.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: UK Canada where we could go on.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: What do you think the capital cost would be for
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: seven installations we're talking about it?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Would it be under one hundred billion dollars?
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: I think the capital cost is only known when the
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: ban is lifted. You've got vendors across the world who
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: will not spend the time and the resources to make
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: a quote.
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: However, what I can.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: Tell you is that we know everywhere in the world
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: that the ill cost is how long the grid is
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: and how quality grid it is that you connect the
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: generator too. And the problem we've got is we've still
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: got the gen cost report, which is the price of
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: the fence. We're going to double the size of the grid.
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: That will add cost to the grid. That's what will
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: happen with the renewables, and that cost is forty to
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: sixty percent of the cost of electricity. So the CSRO
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: is getting the price wrong at the fence and pretending
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: that's the whole cost. The big poles and wires are
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: going to be double the price because they're going to
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: double the size, and that lies. But that gets to
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: your house. That little bit of the wire that you
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: see is going to stay the same.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm all up for this debate about cost, because
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you've got to compare the pair to use the Union
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: super line. But I mean if we had a detailed
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: cost analysis of what this renewables built out will be,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and as you say, that includes those transmissi lines that
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: all have to return a profit to shareholders, then you
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: can compare apples with apples. So nuclear will be expensive
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in terms of capital costs of the facilities, but you
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: save on all that transmission, plus you don't have to
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: overbuild it three times because it's there most of the time.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, wind is only available two days out of
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: five on average. But we've even got an example of
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: where it took too long and costs too much. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: think it's an interesting example. It was in Finland, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: what happened was that the finished plant, the new one
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: that was turned on a few years ago, took too
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: long and it costs too much. When they switched it on,
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: the price of electricity went to thirty percent of what
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: it had been before. Now, how's that possible? It's very simple, quality, reliable,
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: ninety eight percent time electrons versus freezing wind turbines in
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: Finland and breaking wind turbines in Australia. There is no
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: doubt the scientific and engineering literature shows this the work
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: of Riddell, fantastic work.
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: So if the published research.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: The experience of nations and the story not told by
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: gen cost is our story, we're in for trouble.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Look, we've got to get into this in detail.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The opposition will release their costings, but I'm pretty comfortable
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: about it because you look at what's happening in other countries,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: and other countries wouldn't just be installing and maintaining their
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: nuclear plans, but expanding them if it wasn't affordable for them.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: But we'll go through all that in detail as it
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: comes out. The other question is capacity. As the man
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: who used to run Lucas Heights and train people and employ.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Them in that industry.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I took my boys out there to have a look
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: at it the other day. Actually, we were down that way,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: fascinating complex. We how quickly could we build up the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: expertise here in order to build a couple Obviously it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: going to be staggered enough to build a decent installation
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and have actually homegrown people running it and overseeing it.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: If we lift the ban, people will flood from other
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: countries to the quality of life in Australia.
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: We'll be able to populate it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I'll just jump in there. That's exactly what you did, right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: You're working in the nuclear industry in the UK and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: South Africa and migrated to Australia to run and star.
• 24:13
  Speaker 11: That's right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: And the attraction of coming to ANSTO was the reactor
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: had been built and we had to get it to work.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: It's now the world class reactor that we have today.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with the people that people have come
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: from all over the world. I think the big challenge
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: we faced the one that really worries me. With the ban,
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: we're creating a toxic environment and with the dilution of
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: the grid, the price will go up.
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: In fact, from the work that I've.
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: Seen and the engineering work, we're at that little inflection
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: curve where the early winds from renewables are over and
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: it's only going to go north in terms of price
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: from here. It's absolutely predictable. You shouldn't have little tent
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: spreadsheets from gen cost. You need a isn't computer to
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: run this. But you can put a program into the
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: computer that will predict how much more we will pay.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: You won't find it in the Market Operator. You won't
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: find it in the Market Commission. There sites are out
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: of date. They've dated back to twenty twenty one. We
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: haven't seen updates. You can't even get reliable information about
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: the market. I think that we've really got to.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Fix this number one job, as you've been campaigning for
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and others for a long while, to get rid of
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: that band. Anthony up and Easy said today it's going
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to stay in place. It strikes me it's just take
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the politics out of it. It's just the dumbest thing
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to do to have a ban in there when no
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: one in the country, not even labor, saying this is
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: an evil technology, we shouldn't deal in it. They say
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: that their only argument against it is cost. Well, then
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: get rid of the ban and then you'll see, as
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you say, what sort of proposals can come forward.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, we're at the back of a queue potentially.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: This is where we could lose time. There are forty
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: one countries in the world that are queuing up to
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: be new to nuclear countries, and we're an old to
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: nuclear country in terms of having the best researchery actor
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: in the world. It's very happy to be involved with
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: the team that developed that, and we've got denial and
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: o fustication, but most of all, we've got what I
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: call energy fascism. The approach that the government is taking
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: is to say we're going to have abandon place because
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: we don't believe forty one other countries can do what
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: we refuse to do. It's had a terrible, terrible, shocking
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: situation energy fascism.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: They're saying it's renewables, renewables, renewables, even though no one
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: else is doing it. They're just so far down the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: path they refuse to consider any other options. It's extraordinary
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to watch. I appreciate so your time again. Eighty will
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: look forward to catching up again.
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: It's good to be here.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Adie Patterson there, the former head of the Australian Nuclear
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Science and Technology Organization.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Going to get to a break.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: On the other side of Gematon UNI and Christy McSweeney
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: joined me. We'll talk about national security experts lashing the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: leadership at Sydney Universally over those encampments, giving into the protesters,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: also aspiring eightyf personal hitting some really weird and.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Woke questions when they apply.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Let's get into some of the issues that are around,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and there is plenty around just at the moment.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm joined by jematon Uni from GT.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Communications, she's in the Sydney CBD, and Christy mcsweening, Managing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Director of PR Council, joins us from Melbourne. Thanks for
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: joining us.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I want to go to you first, Gem, I want
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on what's happened at Sydney University.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I just find this so disgusting.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: We know what the pro Palestinian anti Israel protests have
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: done there with their encampment for week upon week upon week,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and Mark Scott and the university there have just caved
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: into that pressure.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: In order to get rid of the encampment.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: They're giving the Students Muslim Association a seat on the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: table to sort of veto some of its financial relationships
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and connections. I mean, who else should get a seat
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: on that table? Why isn't there an Israeli Students Association
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: seat or I don't know, a Tasmanian Students association.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: See that just caved into the protesters.
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: It's like finding out that your kid has been done
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: for drunk driving or violent aggravated assault and saying you're
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: a really bad kid. I'm really disappointed in you. Here's
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: a first class trip to Europe. It's just absolutely unconscionable behavior.
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: It's rewarding this intimidation, this ongoing you know, social terrorism
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: is this is what we've been seeing on university campuses. Chris,
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: It's beyond me that the university's counsel or however governing
• 28:39
  Speaker 12: council passed it. I do think that Senator Sarah Henderson's
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: comments in relation to this matter are appropriate and whilst strong,
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: absolutely on the money, I think this is something that
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: the university shouldn't be able to get past. I mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: imagine if you are an international organization going where will
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: I invest my where will I invest my research money?
• 29:02
  Speaker 12: You're not going to go to this university. Anyone with
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: a sound mind would be withdrawing their research funds from
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: this university. You wouldn't be sending your kid there. It's
• 29:10
  Speaker 12: a disgrace.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: It is disgraceful.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And Christy, I thought I would never be surprised by
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the spinelessness of Mark Scott, but he's excelled himself here.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Just pathetic performance.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And the point is it just invites any grievance group
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: now to set up a camp on Sydney University and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you get a seat on the board.
• 29:28
  Speaker 17: Well, it's an example of the pattern that we've seen
• 29:31
  Speaker 17: from a number of what we call our ga sandstone
• 29:35
  Speaker 17: establishment universities. And I might we don't see encampments taking
• 29:39
  Speaker 17: place at the University of Victoria in Ballarat or James
• 29:43
  Speaker 17: Cook University in Townsville. It seems to be a privileged
• 29:48
  Speaker 17: bubble of being able to get away with such as
• 29:51
  Speaker 17: Jemis says, social terrorism reserved for our major establishment universities.
• 29:57
  Speaker 17: And I've just looked at the Commonwealth Grants unding agreement
• 30:01
  Speaker 17: between the University of Sydney and the Commonwealth, the previous
• 30:05
  Speaker 17: one twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, and the maximum
• 30:08
  Speaker 17: amount of taxpayers funding to the University of Sydney is
• 30:12
  Speaker 17: over five hundred million. And I'm certain that Australian people
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: who are looking at what is going on at our universities,
• 30:20
  Speaker 17: particularly at the University of Sydney, would be outraged to
• 30:25
  Speaker 17: know that their taxpayer funds are being directed by groups
• 30:30
  Speaker 17: of students, and this group of students in particular in
• 30:34
  Speaker 17: terms of setting the university's priorities.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this group.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I've got to Teo I've been down there, and this
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: is not a huge mass movement of students. This is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: a small cohort of radicals and they're being organized from
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: outside by eighty Israeli pro Palestinian mob and as Channel
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: nine have revealed his book to Rea is involved in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it and the idea that they get this sort of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: reward and saying what's going on at the university, as
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you say, Christy, is absolutely a abomination from a taxpayer's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: point of view. I want to go to another issue
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: where taxpayers I think would tear their hair out to
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Gemma when they see what they're doing with our money.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And this is when you apply to the defense forces.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Now you apply to the defense forces, you're asked to
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: supply your pronouns now whether you're a Zaya or there
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and also to chick boxes whether you're non
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: binary or gender or gay or lesbian or whatever.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, what is the point of this.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: The only reason they could possibly want to know this
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: stuff is so they can boost their quotas of certain
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: identity types.
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: Don't genuinely don't understand, and I genuinely would be curious,
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: am curious rather to hear what kind of motivation or
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: justification there is for this. It's I mean, there's a
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: lot of opinion and a lot of views on the
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: state of the Australian Defense Force from people who are
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: closer to it than I am. But as again as
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: a taxpayer and as someone who, like the people that
• 31:59
  Speaker 12: I know have gone into the military Chris, have gone
• 32:02
  Speaker 12: in out of a deep conviction, a sense of wanting
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: to do something for their country, serve their country, have
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: a career, whether it's as an infantry person, an infantry
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: man or woman, or a doctor or a lawyer or
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: an aviator. That sort of thing. This sort of stuff
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: is just it's just window dressing that appeals to people
• 32:21
  Speaker 12: that I don't I just don't understand it. Like, for example,
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: you know, Chris that I'm an employer. I don't mind,
• 32:27
  Speaker 12: I don't care. I don't care about that part of
• 32:30
  Speaker 12: my team's life. That's their private life. If they want
• 32:33
  Speaker 12: to share it, they can. If they don't, I don't care.
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: Also exactly not what matters. And I feel like it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: part of this stuff that is capturing and it's shifting
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: the focus on the matters of substance, which is the
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: content of our character and nothing else.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: Exactly. It is nuts.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I've never asked anybody these questions.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: If they want to tell me, that's fine, But I'm
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: honestly going on asking these questions, especially as as an employer,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is ridiculous.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Now, Christian, I want to move on to another issue.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Today's other way Labors try to sort of reset their
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: political message and they've moved for a compulsory and mandatory
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: code of conduct on the supermarkets. This is something that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Nationals were calling for a year ago, weren't they. I mean,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense, but it's not Labour's idea.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: They're just doing what the Nationals came up with.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: It does make sense.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: It is a win for the National Party. It's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: win for David Little Crowd and Senator Bridget mackenzie who
• 33:27
  Speaker 17: prosecuted this. And I note that the government's language today
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: in question Time was for where for households and where
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: for farmers getting a fair goes? So they have put
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: their taken credit for this position and put it into
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: their messaging today. I'm sure everybody watching question Time wondered
• 33:48
  Speaker 17: why they kept repeating the line that they were for farmers.
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: You only have to go to Western Australia and look
• 33:53
  Speaker 17: at fanning the three billion dollars in live exports with
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: the sheep trade over in Wa.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Don't believe it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 17: Interesting as well that Dan Murphy's chemist warehouse and Bunnings
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: have been reduced. And credit to Craig Emerson as well,
• 34:11
  Speaker 17: who was probably a great trade minister, said that the
• 34:14
  Speaker 17: wine industry, while they are not part of this, the
• 34:18
  Speaker 17: Department of Agriculture should do some further work in looking
• 34:23
  Speaker 17: at the competitive advantages that the supermarkets have against wine
• 34:26
  Speaker 17: producers who have been doing it tough against tariffs with China,
• 34:31
  Speaker 17: and do bargain with the supermarkets.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't give Craig Emerson too much praise for a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: trade minister, but there you go.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I remember Parry comparative.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Now let me just let me just share with everyone
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: before we let you go. The King on the weekend
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: at the Taylor Swift Concert Future King. I should say
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he hasn't got the job yet. It's a merit based selection. No,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: actually he's the first son say he gets it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Good on him, Jim, are you got to?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, especially his family's going through a tough time
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: with mum being crook. Good to get out there and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: bop with his with his children.
• 35:15
  Speaker 12: I mean, apart from the fact that he had the
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: best seats in the house. He's a dad with his kids,
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: dancing like a dad, you know, at a concert and
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: it's joyful and how could you not love it. I'm
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: a person who I have one dance move Chris, It's one.
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: I've got one dance movement. Goes on high road.
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: God bless him, he's looking good.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: He'd give Elaine Bennis a run for the money. Thanks
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: for joining us, appreciated, Chris, Christian.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Jem I will catch you next week. Got to get
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: to a break. On the other side, I'm going to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: catch up with Sky News host Paul Murray. Also, I'm
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: going to chat. I can't wait to hear what he's
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: got to say about nat Keane's new appointment.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Also, the nuclear debate heating up, with many voters, of course,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: on either side of the debate. Now a little while,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I showed you some of this incredible video from photographer
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: and environmentalist Stephen Nawakowski showing the enormous scale and environmental
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: destruction of Labour's renewable roll out. This is the right
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: across Queensland. He's done this. It's hard to get your
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: head around justin what's going on just in that.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: State McIntyre wind farm. The bulldozers are in there right now.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: That's very very big wind farm moving into Stony Creek.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: This is a shocker on a really beautiful mountain range.
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: Remnant forests should not be going ahead.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Stephen Nwakowski joins me again.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you against Stephen, That's quite an
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: exercise because the scale of these wind turbine installations is
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: one of the key.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: We've looked at some individual.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Projects with you and shown how bushland and forest is
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: being cleared as these things go up. But when you
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: see how many projects are being either built now or proposed,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: it is quite extraordinary, isn't it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, even in christ Yeah, it's mind blowing. It's absolutely
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: mind blowing. I'm actually a cartographer, so my background is
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: cartography mat making. So I talked it upon myself about
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: three years ago to start mapping the role out of
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: these renewables because no one else is doing it. You know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: our universities are packed with planners and so forth, but
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: there's just no one in the state actually mapping the
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: spatial footprint of these renewables as their planned or as
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: they're proposed, and so I've been doing this over three
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: years and what we're up to now is around three thousand,
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: three hundred turbines, mostly up against along the Great Dividing
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: Range of Queensland. However, I haven't included the turbines for
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: the projects. I don't know the quantity of turbines. So
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Proserpine Wind Farm, for example, there's about two hundred turbines
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: going in there, the Youngler Wind Farm another hundred turbines,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: hid and Valley another fifty turbines. So you can I
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: can fairly safely say there's about four thousand turbines currently
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: in the pipeline for the Great Dividing Range Queensland.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: We're watching it on the screen now, Steven.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: It's just extraordine.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: This is a key part of the nuclear debate because
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the nuclear debate shows that if you have nuclear energy
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in old coal sites, plugging into existing transmission, you don't
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: have to do this to the countryside. The expense and
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: the environmental damage. So you, as an environmental is that's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: how you've been drawn to this. You want to see
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: pristine countryside preserved.
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: Well, that's right.
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: The issue I've got is that there is no endgame
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: because that four thousand turbines that is planned at different
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: points of the approval process, that will only deliver around
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: twenty two gig or what. But when you look at
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: the capacity factor of say twenty twenty five percent on
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: shore wind, we really need to triple that number. So
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: we really need, you know, potentially twelve thousand turbines to
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: keep the lights on in the state in summer.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: This is for electricity exactly. This thing is just so insane,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that's what.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: The more people know about this renewables roll out, the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: more they'll be concerned. Now you've done this off your
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: own bat for Queensland and it's a staggering piece of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: video animation that people can google and have a look
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: at the full four or five minutes themselves. We're going
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to get some money to you. Someone's going to come
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: up with some money for you to do this for
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the other states, because it's going to look the same
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales and Victoria and South Australia, isn't it.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: That's right, You're exactly right. So the State of Government
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: will not release the information because I think if Australians
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: saw the scale they'd be mortified, horrified, So this is
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: all being done under the radar, very secretly, and the
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: approvals are done in such a way that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: The footprints aren't shown.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: No holistically, you know, with other So what we're seeing
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: is that we're seeing wind farms being developed back to
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: back in a linear length, in one single stretch along
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: the Great Dividing Range. So as they're approved individually, you
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: just see one one one.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: One, Yeah, but they all there's a whole change. Holistically,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it's the whole.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Unreal Stephen, congratulations on your work, Thanks for joining us,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and we'll keep in touch. Stephen Noilkowski there, he's just
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: doing this stuff because he cares about it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Just extraordinary, isn't it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Let me bring in the great man Paul Murray in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: early for his nine o'clock show.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Good to see your mate.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: First up, the Governor General seven hundred thousand dollars in
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the middle of a cost of living crisis, and she's
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the social justice campaigner.
• 40:41
  Speaker 10: Look, they're doing everything they can, Chris, they are doing
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: everything they can. Every decision goes through the prism of
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: constantly God. What is the addiction also with the Prime
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: Minister and his ministers making decisions that the public servants
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: above them and around them earn more than they do.
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: The idea that the Vice regal role needs to earn
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: even more than the Prime minister, despite the fact that
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: she's got under this she'll have two mansions, one next
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: door to the p in Sydney, one of course in
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: Canberra littlone the travel perks. And this is a person
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: who will go back to a business career.
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: This is a person who will.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Come trade off beautifully correctly. It's look it is, it's unbelievable.
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: It's to some degrees that links in with what you
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: were just talking about, right, which is this basic sense
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: of frustration that I believe a lot of people feel,
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: which is just the.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Machine just rolls over the top of them.
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's endlessly contradictory.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: It's frustratingly contradictory.
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: It's unnecessary in its reminder about how we're doing it
• 41:44
  Speaker 10: because we can.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And the Canbra pest gallery, most of them, not our
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: good people.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: No, are in on the same plan. I showed earlier
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: one of the journals. They're saying, you know.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Average people don't understand how this is helping them.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, our power bills are going up and this is
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: good for us. Yeah, but this is like you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you know very closely.
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: For some reason, the Australian media is obsessed with trying
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: to echo what's happening in particularly American politics. Right, So
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: at the moment that the run there is to say, well,
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: the people just don't understand how good they've got it
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: when it comes to the economy, so they're just practicing
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: that and putting it through when it comes to this issue.
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: But look, Tanya Plipasek, Look, every time I've met her,
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: is an incredibly decent and nice person. But sometimes she
• 42:27
  Speaker 10: runs these lines that just make my head explode.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yesterday she's out and about.
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: Saying, oh, the Dunton proposals five hundred billion dollars worth
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: of this, that and the other, and that's money that
• 42:38
  Speaker 10: could go to hospitals. Well, according to CSIRO, all of
• 42:41
  Speaker 10: this stuff, all of the renewable stuff, is five hundred billion.
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: So the same argument works against their policy that they're
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: trying to push in the other direction. And again it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: just that sense of frustration. And again completely missing from
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: the detail is when Dunton came out and announced this,
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: it's not Nuke's own.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Renewables are part of it. What's bill will not be
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: pulled down exactly unfortunately in some cases.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: But of course gas will be added to it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: There'll be gas, there'll be renewables, there'll be nuclear, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: you're going to work out exactly what sort of a mix,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: or roughly how much of a mix it will be.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: While we're on that, Matt Keane plug your favorite.
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: Please, does anyone believe that he announced his resignation last
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: Tuesday and they found a job for him to announce
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: on the Monday. Now the Australian newspaper has done some
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: very clever reporting on all of this as well that
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: technically he's still an mp IS in New South Wales.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Still drawing a salary.
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: Correct.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Is this an inducement to leave office? Well, we'll have
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: I mean, I like it's such a big accusation to make.
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: But common sense is clear here that he said in
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: his statement. I just double checked it before we came
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: on here, that he was going to work in the
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: energy sector, in the energy industry, right we all assume
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: that to be the money making side of things, where
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: Turnbull and cannon Brooks and all.
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: Of those people are.
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: Well, then if he left because of this job, well
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: then he was enticed out of being an MP.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I want to know we're not alleging anything, but the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: reason this is important for anybody's not onto the was.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: The oil industry? What anyone else says?
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's against the law IKAK has found against it,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: way back against against Terry Metherroll was premier grinder at
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the time. Because it's supposedly induced out of a job.
• 44:22
  Speaker 10: The questions are pretty simple, which is how long was
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: the post open for? Was it publicly advertised, had other
• 44:28
  Speaker 10: people applied? How did this bloke end up becoming the
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: top of the tree, when was the job offered to him?
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: All of those questions for question time this week and
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: at the end of it, send it off to the
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: National and dietegrity and corruption.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I've got a feeling you'll have a bit more on
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: that at nine o'clock tonight, mate, my.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Feeling I've been reading all day, haven't.
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: You don't miss it?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray Live at nine o'clock will be all over
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Paul Murray versus Matt Kean.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: You don't wait to see that one. Going to get
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to a break.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to catch up on
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: media with Sophie or's with a raft of allegations swirling
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: around nine Entertainment and the ABC chair calling for an
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: urgent renew review of a radio national not before time.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Let's get into media with Sophie Ellsworth, media writer for
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: The Australian. I feel like I've been bagging the media
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: throughout the show, so I've got to get some stuff
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: with you. First up, Channel nine stilled swirling around in
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: these allegations really problematic.
• 45:24
  Speaker 18: Right, absolutely, Chris. Look, it's five weeks since we first
• 45:30
  Speaker 18: revealed that Darren Wick, the news boss, had left the
• 45:33
  Speaker 18: network after a complaint by female staffer, and this is
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: just catapulted for nine into a barrage of complaints against
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: many people at the network over serious allegations of misconduct,
• 45:47
  Speaker 18: of bullying and harassment at nine and has prompted this
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: external independent review that is continuing. But it definitely is
• 45:59
  Speaker 18: putting pressure on nine CEO Mike Sneezebee and everyone is
• 46:04
  Speaker 18: awaiting anxiously to see the results of this. But stuff
• 46:08
  Speaker 18: Inside and X staff have spoken to myself and James Mattam,
• 46:12
  Speaker 18: my colleague, to voice their extreme concerns of allegations of
• 46:16
  Speaker 18: inappropriate conduct at the network.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Do there's a lot more to come on then, for sure.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Another story you've been all over is Kim Williams and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: his plans to sort of improve the ABC. Here's a
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: bit of what he said on Radio National last week.
• 46:30
  Speaker 19: Well, I'd like to see larger audiences for Radio National
• 46:32
  Speaker 19: and i'd like to see Radio National lift its ambitions
• 46:37
  Speaker 19: in terms of its role in Australia. The closest comparative
• 46:40
  Speaker 19: service to Radio National is Radio four at the BBC.
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: We have a much much smaller and more modest reach
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: at Radio Nation.
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: And always have.
• 46:51
  Speaker 19: Audience has declined absolutely and we need to address that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Sophie, look for my sins. I listened to a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: fair bit of Radio National. It's so easy how to
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: fix the joint. You're just got to make it. Mainstreamers
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: so woke green left nonsense being reflected back to itself endlessly,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and they've just had the chance. So when Philip Adams
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: quit after thirty years on Radio National, instead of replacing
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: with someone mainstream, they've gone for another old hardcore green
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: lefty in David mar Well.
• 47:21
  Speaker 18: Chris, you make some really good points there, and it
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: appears that the ABC, as you said, does not cater
• 47:28
  Speaker 18: to mainstream Australia and this is across their TV, their
• 47:32
  Speaker 18: radio and their website content.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: You only have to get a glimpse of.
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: The ABC to see that he's catering to a small
• 47:39
  Speaker 18: audience on the left of green, very green views, and
• 47:44
  Speaker 18: it's not catering to mainstream Australia. As a result, people
• 47:48
  Speaker 18: are tuning out Chris and this is very worrying for
• 47:51
  Speaker 18: the ABC because we are pumping one point one billion
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: dollars into them every year, but they are not serving
• 47:57
  Speaker 18: the everyday Australians.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yeppot no, I should say.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: The only reason I listen to Radio National because I
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: want to hear what the left is saying. If you
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: want to hear what the left, the green left view
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: of the world is on any given day, so you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: can rebutton or do something with it, listen to Radio National.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It's very good for that.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Look, the big media and political story of the coming
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: week is going to be that first presidential debate. Let's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: have a look at Donald Trump, the former president, saying
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: something about it today.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: He's sleepy now.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Because they want to get him good and strong, so
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: a little.
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: Before debate time he gets a shut in the ass.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: And that's.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: They want to strengthen them up. So he comes out.
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: He'll come out, Okay, I say he'll come out all
• 48:46
  Speaker 10: jacked up.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Right, this is going to be extraordinary, Sophie.
• 48:52
  Speaker 18: It is Chris and reminding Skoy News viewers to tune
• 48:55
  Speaker 18: in the eleven am on Friday.
• 48:57
  Speaker 11: Get your bag of popcorn. It's going to be interesting.
• 49:00
  Speaker 18: So ninety minute debate, microphones muted when the other person
• 49:04
  Speaker 18: is speaking, no studio audience and no question.
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: So let's see how it goes.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait either, Sophie. Thanks for joining us.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth her you can read her stuff in The Australian.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: She will always all over it. Also, i'll give you.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: A sneak preview of Johanna Slink's cartoon for The Australian tomorrow.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: He's looking at this energy debate.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: He's got the nuclear fallout, the first casualties, and of
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: course it's all the green investors and the industry super
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: funds and the solar salesman and the wind all crying
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: about the onset of nuclear because they might not make
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: so much money. Brilliant stuff again from Johannes. He's all
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: over it now. She's back up next, Peter Quedlin, back
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and firing up, ready to go. I'll see tomorrow night
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: at six o'clock. Now it's Quitlin with Peter