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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Panthers Blame · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a shock, you know. For me to
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: be able to move on from it because literally I've
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: never been a part of a half of football like that.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: And to experience it in all phases, you know, a
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: block kick, sack fumble, interception, you know, a drop punt,
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: and then, you know, on the defensive side really just
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: not getting off the field in different ways. Shoot, it
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: was just like, I don't know, the moment was just,
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: it just felt, you know, so crazy and so egregiously
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: different than the ball that we're used to playing um
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  Speaker 1: that you know again i'm going to look at the
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: things and see what what was technical about it um
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: what the execution was and look at all those things
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: but again when something like that happens it's like okay
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: and then you settle in and play better football and
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: again you know they were they were trying to run
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: the clock down at that point um but the offense
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: i thought the run game was efficient throughout the day
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  Speaker 1: and should have given us a great opportunity um to
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: be able to turn that into more points and we
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: didn't come away with points.
• 1:16
  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: Dave Canales after the game yesterday saying he has never
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: been involved a half a football like that, that has
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: people scurrying to find the worst halves of the Dave
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: Canales era.
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  Speaker 4: Dave, you don't have to go back too far at home.
• 1:31
  Speaker 4: Week one was pretty rough. I will say it was
• 1:34
  Speaker 4: closer for a while. They went blow to blow. with
• 1:38
  Speaker 4: that offense for two and a half, two and two
• 1:40
  Speaker 4: thirds quarters. That was completely, this was an absolute three
• 1:43
  Speaker 4: phase debacle. Like there's, and by the way, bears a
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  Speaker 4: hell of a football team. Tampa Bay came in one
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  Speaker 4: in five, one in five with a quarterback with a
• 1:53
  Speaker 4: messed up thumb on his throwing hand with a contraption
• 1:57
  Speaker 4: created by a, by a baseball team with no intention
• 2:01
  Speaker 4: to throw the football at all.
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  Speaker 3: And you just said, we'll help you with that. How
• 2:06
  Speaker 3: about you throw it for 64 yards and beat our
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  Speaker 3: ass by 30?
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  Speaker 2: It's pathetically embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: It's just, it's just, my God, you got, it's like
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: losing a fight and someone had their, their, their right
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  Speaker 3: hand tied behind their back.
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  Speaker 2: Like seriously. And God, it was horrible. Everybody was involved.
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  Speaker 4: And it looked like entering the day, the Panthers were
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: starting to control the NFC South. And in just a
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: few hours, Tampa Bay now has life as they found
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  Speaker 4: their running formula, Matt, that has worked twice now in
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: their wins. And Atlanta, albeit a banged up team, Atlanta
• 2:44
  Speaker 4: was on the edge there.
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  Speaker 2: Now they.
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  Speaker 4: They go get a huge win over the Niners and
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: the NFC South. Now it's, it's now in doubt as
• 2:51
  Speaker 4: opposed to what we thought may be entering the day.
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  Speaker 3: Half game lead, half game, freaking lead now over Atlanta
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: and now Tampa and even new Orleans who lost again
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  Speaker 3: yesterday at two and five, they're only a game and
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  Speaker 3: a half back. So you let everybody come back into
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: the picture. I was hoping we'd have a two and
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: a half game lead. Instead, it's down to a half
• 3:09
  Speaker 3: game lead. And the question of who are you blaming,
• 3:12
  Speaker 3: who upsets you the most yesterday as that game got ugly,
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: you got to spread it around. The run defense giving
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: up 258. in the sixth game of the season, when
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: we saw them give up 291 on the ground to
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: the Bears in the first week of the season, it's
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  Speaker 3: just horrifying.
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  Speaker 2: It's one thing, Bone.
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  Speaker 3: I've defended Avero and the horrible first year, and so
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: has Dan Morgan, by saying he didn't have talent to
• 3:37
  Speaker 3: work with, and then Derrick Brown got hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it got ugly. But in year three? Of
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: the defense?
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  Speaker 3: And they missed Jalen Phillips. There was no doubt about it.
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: When there were moments where Princely did not set the
• 3:51
  Speaker 3: edge or Pat Jones or Travis Gibson did not set
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: the edge, they missed Jalen Phillips. But you can't say
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  Speaker 3: 258 yards rushing bone with a quarterback who they don't
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: want to have to throw the ball with. is all
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  Speaker 3: on one player. But then you can go bone to
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  Speaker 3: the offense, the pass protection, Bryce's, you know, bringing back
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  Speaker 3: memories of early Bryce with three turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: There is so much blame.
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  Speaker 3: The coaching staff all over this coaching staff for having
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  Speaker 3: a team look like they did not show up ready
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  Speaker 3: to play a football.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, there's so much blame, man.
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  Speaker 4: Three home games this year, they've allowed 630 rush yards
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  Speaker 4: at home, 210 a game. And oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: the middle game of there with Gibbs, they allowed 46
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  Speaker 4: yards rushing. So think about that. Against Gibbs, you allowed 46,
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  Speaker 4: but the other.
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  Speaker 2: Two, 291, 258. At home, man.
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  Speaker 4: Now, on the road, yeah, it's bad no matter what,
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  Speaker 4: but your home crowd has seen just horrible performances two
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: out of three efforts this year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel for people who are spending money for it, man. Absolutely, man.
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  Speaker 3: And we thought they were past this. This is a
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  Speaker 3: smack in our faces of reality. Listen, I was out
• 5:05
  Speaker 3: there at the doghouse yesterday. My God, what a day
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  Speaker 3: it was. What a morning it was. And the Panthers
• 5:09
  Speaker 3: had to go and ruin the day. But fans were upbeat.
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: The crowd, there were hardly any Bucs fans at the
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: doghouse yesterday. The weather was amazing. And then the Panthers
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  Speaker 3: just go and do that. It's just like leaving a
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: bag of poop on our damn porch and we step
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: in it.
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  Speaker 2: Like when Ted stepped in it in Billy Madison. There
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 4: The poop bag was on fire and Ted had his
• 5:32
  Speaker 4: boots on, stepping on it.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: We're Ted. Don't stop it out with your boots, Ted.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: That's true. This wasn't just a regular bag.
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: It was flaming. There's no doubt it was flaming. Flaming
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: poo Sunday. The level of play from Rasheed Walker, how
• 5:47
  Speaker 3: was that due to 11th in pass block win rate
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: last season? I mean, the bull rushes against him yesterday,
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: by the way, they made Yaya Diaby look like Lawrence Taylor. Bone,
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: that dude had three sacks yesterday. Yaya Diaby is just
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: a dude. And they made him like, again, this is
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  Speaker 3: the 31st pass rush in pressure. And they go out
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  Speaker 3: there and get five sacks. And they didn't blitz on.
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  Speaker 2: One of their sacks. That's just mano a mano.
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  Speaker 3: We're ripping your tail, Robert Hunt. We talked about it
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  Speaker 3: a few minutes ago. He doesn't appear to be the
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  Speaker 3: same player.
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  Speaker 2: They had a yaya. We had a yo-yo. And Robert
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  Speaker 2: Hunt just moved all over the place. And he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even the worst one.
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  Speaker 3: Mack, what?
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  Speaker 5: What in the blue hell did Rasheed Walker do positive yesterday? Like, honestly,
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  Speaker 5: that guy couldn't block air.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Five pressures and two or three sacks, depending on who
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: you're looking at.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was three of the five were on him.
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  Speaker 5: Every time that Bryce was under pressure, and I think
• 6:43
  Speaker 5: Bone said, well, there was 16 pressures yesterday for Bryce.
• 6:46
  Speaker 5: I asked my guy, well, in the first sack, because
• 6:48
  Speaker 5: my guy left me at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: That's another story. Hey, who got beat on that one?
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  Speaker 2: I knew the answer. It was either Hunt or it
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  Speaker 2: was Rasheed Walker. Two biggest culprits by far. We lose
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: Taylor Moten, Fibula.
• 7:01
  Speaker 5: That could be season ending depending on just how long
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  Speaker 5: it takes him to come back.
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  Speaker 3: And I was sitting there watching Rasheed Walker and I'm like,
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: how about we get Freeling in there at left tackle?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll be damned if before they could do that.
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  Speaker 3: And Freeling was over there loosening up on the sidelines
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  Speaker 3: a bit. And I'm like, is he going in? No,
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  Speaker 3: he's not going in. And before they can get him
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  Speaker 3: in at left tackle. And by the way, who got
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: Taylor Moten hurt? Rasheed Walker, he got shoved so far
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: across bone that they end up going into the damn
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: T-Mobile to right tackle's legs. And now he's got a
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  Speaker 3: fractured fibula. So it's just, it's a mess. Textures are
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: asking about Icky.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. We getting Hornets type updates on Icky.
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  Speaker 2: We got no idea. I got nothing.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: What the hell's going on there? I do know this.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: Ozzie Trapillo's back. Same injury, same position, same day. He's back,
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  Speaker 3: but Icky's not.
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  Speaker 4: Can we just bring up, though, what Fitty just mentioned
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  Speaker 4: there a second ago? A listener gave Fitty a ticket
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  Speaker 4: to the game. They went together, and at halftime, this
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  Speaker 4: guy said, I'm out, and left Fitty by himself.
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  Speaker 2: Did he have enough of the game or Phinney's company?
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  Speaker 2: I need to know. Where's this guy Patrick at? Was
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: it you or the team? I hope it wasn't me.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I was on my best behavior.
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  Speaker 5: I kept the four-letter words to a minor minimum, all
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  Speaker 5: things considered.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was that.
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  Speaker 5: One point where I just stood up and just yelled,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like multiple, like the F word, like multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was just that... With this guy there or
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  Speaker 2: just by himself? Yeah, see, you know. Wow, this guy
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  Speaker 2: could add enough. It's year... It is year three. That's
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  Speaker 2: the difference. It's not the first year anymore of this regime.
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  Speaker 2: That crap has to stop.
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  Speaker 5: Like, dude, year one when you're trying to establish the
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  Speaker 5: culture and you're trying to build this thing up. We
• 8:42
  Speaker 5: are defending NFC South champions. And I don't know when
• 8:49
  Speaker 5: I sit down on Sundays at 1 o'clock what version
• 8:53
  Speaker 5: of the Carolina Panthers I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get. That has to end. Point blank, period.
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  Speaker 5: If we want to be a serious organization, if we
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  Speaker 5: want to get the respect from the national media that
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  Speaker 5: we so crave here in Charlotte, good football teams quit
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  Speaker 5: doing that.
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  Speaker 2: You think we're going to get it after this? Hell no.
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  Speaker 2: We have been phoned over by the national media for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. We're a good football team. Where
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  Speaker 2: do you think that is? Yeah, thank you, McAfee. Oh,
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: we're a great football team. How about you stick to
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: your Andrews home game? Are we getting shows at 6
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the freaking morning in Utah?
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  Speaker 3: McAfee had himself a Saturday. That is one sensitive macho man. God,
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  Speaker 3: he is sensitive. But anyway, let's get back to the
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  Speaker 3: task at hand. What the hell happened to the Panthers?
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  Speaker 3: And I think Fitty's right. It's just like, again, it's just,
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: are you not in the, like, here's the inconsistency again.
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: You won two in a row. Last week wasn't pretty,
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: but you had won two in a row. You then
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: lose like that to the basement team in your crap-ass division.
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  Speaker 2: At your house.
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  Speaker 4: And Bone, we were talking about... Their formula to beat
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: Dallas was... I know it's a different quarterback, but they
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: had a very specific formula.
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  Speaker 2: You knew it was coming.
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  Speaker 4: In their one good game all year, or one win,
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  Speaker 4: they had a very specific formula, and it was run, run, run, run, run, run, run.
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  Speaker 4: Baker's coming back, Mac.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a.
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  Speaker 4: Basically a catcher's knuckleball glove on over there. You know
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  Speaker 4: that he might be limited passing. They had a way
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  Speaker 4: to beat you. It was going to be with the run.
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: And they showed you their formula right away when Bucky
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: Irvin gets 11 touches on the first drive. And there
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  Speaker 4: was no, look, it's a player problem too, but there
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  Speaker 4: was no adjusting anywhere. Matt, were the Bucks like, well,
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: I guess we're just going to do this all day
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: because they're not stopping any of this. The fact that
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, Matt, completed what, seven passes?
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  Speaker 2: Seven of 11.
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  Speaker 4: And they scored how many points yesterday? 43 points. That's
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: got to be like record territory for this era to
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: have seven passes and score 43 points.
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: It's the second lowest, was it passing yards in a game?
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: I got to look it up.
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: There is a stat for that. There are stats for
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: that because, yes, that is an average. They basically played
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: 1950 football. That's an aberration. It is an absolute aberration.
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: But again, like you asked for adjustments and I tried
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: to watch it back last night. There was eight in
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: the box at times and we're getting run on. It's like,
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: at some point, the personnel needs to be ripped.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: And listen, if.
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: Ajero Overo keeps doing this every few games for the
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: rest of the season, then I'm going to sit there
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: and say, give someone else a chance. But I also
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: want to point out, for some reason, the players often
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: don't get bitched at. It's just, it's really easy to
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: single out. Derrick Brown's not, Derrick Brown has not been...
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: Pro bowler Derek Brown this year.
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  Speaker 2: He's had his moments.
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  Speaker 4: But as I said earlier, when I was messed up
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: on the audio part, he's not exactly the highlight reel
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: that we're used to of throwing guys around and doing
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: all that. He's been all right at times, but nowhere
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: near what this defense needs out of Derek Brown. He's
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: a part of this, too. I can't believe I'm saying that,
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: but Derek Brown has been a problem at times.
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he made some plays yesterday when I
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: watched it back. I know he ended up with the
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: highest PFF grade. I don't know what that's really worth.
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  Speaker 3: He ended up with five tackles. He batted a ball down.
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  Speaker 3: But there was one play where, oddly, he got shoved
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  Speaker 3: like 10 yards downfield. It's like, how is that possible? Now,
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: he did run downfield on that horrible long run where
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: Caleb Evans looked like he wanted his mama. Because the
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: guy stiff-armed him, and it's like, bro, do you want
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  Speaker 3: to tackle? Because I know it looks like you can't cover.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Now it looks like you don't want to tackle, which
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: is a problem. Will Lee had another moment that got
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: called out by Moose Johnston. Your corner's got to tackle
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: in this defense, especially when they're running Irving outside right
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: at your corners a bunch. But Moose Johnston called out
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: Will Lee.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, bro!
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  Speaker 3: It's third and one. You're inside the five. You're breaking
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: down and just standing there. So, listen, it's just a team.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: I saw Devin Lloyd get shoved around all over the place.
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of blame to go around. I
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: think our interior D lineman bone, like if we're talking
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: about positions to trade for, I know a lot of
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: us have been talking about corner. Interior D lineman feels
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: like you could use another veteran body in there. I
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: know the Colts could be shopping DeForest Buckner. I wonder
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: if that would be something they would do. But there's
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: so many people to rip.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Bryce Young. Bryce Young was terrible. That was a step
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  Speaker 2: back yesterday. It needs to be said.
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  Speaker 3: Now, when Bebop texts in, like the jackass he is,
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  Speaker 3: and is like, that's the Bryce I was waiting for.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, you're not a Panther fan. It needs
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: to be said over and over again. You're just not
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: a Panther fan. But then secondly, he drops in. Well,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: Bryce plays a good defense, and that's what happens.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: And it's like.
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: if like bebop i'll use you for an example you
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: act like a jackass on text five straight times and
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: then the sixth day you act like a normal human
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  Speaker 3: being i'm going to think you're a jackass bryce young
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: balled out for five games plays one bad one i'm
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: not all of a sudden going to agree with you
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: oh he's terrible.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: No, that's a great point.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the five games over the one. Now,
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: here's the thing I will say, Bone. And the offensive
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: line was pathetic. Just pathetic in pass pro. if this
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: continues we got a problem like green bay is another
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: we said it last week and i know some of
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: the haters are saying oh bryce gonna play good and
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: we said it last week like you've got two top
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: 10 defenses tampa and green bay and then you got
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: a denver defense has got a lot of talent on
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  Speaker 3: it so we are watching this stretch if he comes
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  Speaker 3: out and plays like that and turns it over like
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: that against green bay then i think we have more
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: of a conversation Yeah, very.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Very interesting spot on the short week there.
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: I'm worried about the defense, certainly, secondary-wise in this matchup
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: coming up here. Mac, as I mentioned a couple weeks ago, Murphy,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: my dog, is blind in one eye. So sometimes when
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: we're in the dog park, I'll call him and he'll...
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: He'll take a second to kind of locate me a
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: little bit. That was kind of like a Caleb Evans
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: in the end zone yesterday. He reminded me of Murphy
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: when he can't find me when that receiver got away
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: from him. Caleb Evans might be like my dog with
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: a blind in one eye.
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  Speaker 2: You got to be, but he might be blind in two.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: What was going on there?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the guy, the receiver's like, I'm just going
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: to walk over here for a second.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: Let me just, all right, just buy enough time and
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: he's going to get beat. It's the same thing Baker
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: did on third and 10 earlier in the game. Buy
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: enough time by flushing out to the right. And all
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: of a sudden he got spun around on that one.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: By Tess Johnson. Spun around. Please just start somebody else
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: other than him. I'm begging you, Averro. I'm begging you.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: Do not make all the people that can't stand you
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: look like prophets. Because if you send, like you said
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: at Bone, you send that dude out there against Green
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Bay's passing attack and Green Bay's wide receivers, Watson and.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Golden, Like, you've got to be insane. It'll be 7-0,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: or depending who gets the ball. But Green Bay scores
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: on their first drive. They throw a 50-yard touchdown right
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: to them. Because that's kind of how they go about things.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: And we don't think Green Bay, Mac, as you said,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: might be a little bit desperate in their division for
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: this win on a short week. What's the status of
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: Micah Parsons also, by the way? Yeah, I don't know
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: what's going on with that one.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Are you insinuating, Bone, that our tackles could have trouble,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: like Rasheed Walker could have trouble blocking him? Yeah.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: They could wheel out Micah Parson and then he'll get
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: by Walker. 704 number. Now we see why Rasheed Walker
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: came so cheap. Yeah, would the rest of the league
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: get on it? We're the only ones that didn't know?
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: No wonder Green Bay was laughing at us.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: All right. We come back.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Jim Zoki, Panther Radio Network. More bitching.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: The one employee that did a nice job yesterday. And
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: a new Shroff did, too. Jim Zoki, Panther Radio Network. Next,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: 92.7 WFNZ.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: All right, let's keep talking Panthers, trying to figure out
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: what the heck happened yesterday. 43-13, loss to the Bucs,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Mack and Bone with you. The Texters are fired up
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: as you freaking should be. I feel like everybody's got
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: to get a shot with the whooping stick.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about the most comically awful part
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: of a very comically awful day. When the Panthers finally scored,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you thought, oh, wow, they're doing something here. Good morning,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: Jim Zoki.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: This is great. They scored. Maybe they can chip away here.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Like the Dolphins game last year, they got down early
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: and they came back and they won the game. Maybe
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: this is this year's. Then the extra point gets blocked
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden we're down 19 to 6.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. That's what I was saying earlier.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Every time Jim Zoki's with us, every time they did
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: do something good, they undid it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: The defense on the second drive got to stop. I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: know it's hard. It's easy to forget now.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: That's when David Moore immediately dropped the football. And then
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: after that, the defense then held him to a field goal.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Pretty good job. And then Bryce turns it over for if,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you know, gets a hunt beat. Sacked, forced fumble, touchdown.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: The other way. It's like every time they did something good,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: they followed it up with something horrendous.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: To Bone's particular point, we scored a touchdown and then
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: gave up a field goal. Because we lost a point,
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: and then we gave up two more. So we gave
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: up three while scoring a touchdown.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So a touchdown was worth four freaking points.
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: And then we had to kick the ball off to them.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: You said Carboni was trying to calculate.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: He walked by. He was trying to do the net
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: of like, so what did we just lose?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: I go, actually three, because we should make an extra point.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a point.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: So the touchdown, that beautiful pass by Bryce, which is
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: about the only one he threw all day, that was
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: worth four points.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: It was every, you know, it was, like you said,
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: it was like comically bad. It was just like, the
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: game was ridiculous. At some point it was just, you know,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: people were kind of like trying to stick around for
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: halftime for the Luke Kuechly part of the thing because
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: you're down 27 at halftime. And then we come out
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: to start the second half and it just kept on
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: going from there because you keep thinking eventually it's going
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: to turn. Maybe we'll get within, you know, where it
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: seems like we might have a chance here. But it
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: was just one of those horrific games to the point
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: where I'm sure you played it sound by Dave Canale.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: He says, I've never been a part of a first
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: half like that. We had the Chicago game this year
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: where he gave up 59, but if you think about it,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: we were tied in the third quarter of that game.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: This game was just like nothing from the beginning.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Fitty said, Dave, how bad were you losing at halftime
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: against the Saints in your first year?
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Does that performance make you worry about Bryce at all,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: or do you think that this version of Bryce, he's
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: still going to have some bad gains, but This is
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: not going to be something that continues on week after
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: week now.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, you have to throw it into,
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: you know, you're going to have ups and downs in
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: 17 games. And this was a down. I think so
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: much of it was generated by we've been saying like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: go ahead, Blitz. He loves, he thrives in chaos. Well, gosh,
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's chaos and then there's an avalanche because
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: I just felt like the protection was so bad yesterday.
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: It was a really difficult situation to operate under. There's
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: only so much you can do. And so when you
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: get sacked five times and there could have been more
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, just under constant duress, it's hard to operate
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: the offense out there. So I think it begins with that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: I think Bryce has shown over the first part of
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: the season he can perform very well. But you have
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: to have some amount of operation space and time out
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: there to run the plays. So I do. His part
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: of it, too. No question, his part of it, too.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: I think it begins up front with the lack of
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: protection and now losing Taylor Moten for who knows for
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: how long is difficult.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Killer.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: It was the fastest time to pressure of the season,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: 2.4 seconds. It was getting there quick. Here's the most
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: alarming stat.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Bowles' M.O. is the blitz, right?
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Every one of the five sacks was without a blitz.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: That's what hurts.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: It was just a four-man rush. Regular pass protection. Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I think they had Rasheed Walker for giving up three
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: of the sacks, six quarterback pressures and It wasn't just him,
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: but that was the most of it, at least half
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: of it. And then, again, you can only do so
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: much operating of the offense, and everyone's always going to
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: look at the quarterback first. I mean, I guess, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: you always have to say, all right, we have to
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: max protect now. Now it's taking you out of what
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: you game-planned all week for as far as how you're
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: going to operate the offense. You look at it, we
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: didn't run enough to make a difference in the game,
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: but we ran it five yards a carry.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They ran it efficiently. It's just when you get down
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: 78 to nothing. What are we going to do?
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: Run the clock out? What are we going to do
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: at that point? Ty's got a touchdown at the end.
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: So to me, it's like, yeah, it's a bad game
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: all the way around. And I know they always say,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: you'll flush it, move on. And you have to because
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: they already had their Monday meeting on Sunday to get
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: ready for a short work week. Thursday, go into Green Bay.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: So you do have to turn quickly in this case
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: because you legitimately legitimately time-wise have to turn quickly to
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: get into the next game and maybe that's the best
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: thing and this is uh it's just an interesting coincidence
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: but last year our worst game of the year was
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: at home against buffalo we lost 40 to 9 and
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: went to lambo beat the packers as heavy underdogs there
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: so it again can't predict exactly what's going to happen
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: but it shows how quickly things can turn in the
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: nfl the.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Trans bone with this team would indicate a bounce back
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: They would.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: Right, Bone?
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I've never heard him not respond. I thought he was
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: still saying it. I thought he was still talking. I'm
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: not used to Matt stopping.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Bone, help me out here. Who's with me? Help me out.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Anybody?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Now bounce back and win? I don't know. Yeah, I mean,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you're right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: This good, bad, good, bad, good, bad situation here would
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: lead to, although the short week you never quite know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: maybe that plays a factor either way.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. What do you think's been wrong with
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Robert Hunt this.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Year and why he has not been anywhere near as
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: effective as he was when he was healthy a couple.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Of years ago?
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: That's an interesting question. I think there's a great answer
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: for it because this is a guy that was obviously well-paid,
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: brought in, who played very well when he arrived and
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: before arriving here. And it's not been up to, I'm sure,
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: his standard as far as overall and some of the
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: penalties that have happened beyond what's happened with the blocking
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: out there, too. So It's difficult. I think the offensive line,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: it's been a difficulty this year that, again, we talk
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: about Bryce having to perform under chaos because he has to.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: You'd like for him not to have to perform under chaos.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: What would it look like if he had, most times,
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: pass protection and so forth? And there's been a lot
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: of talk about people going, Baker Mayfield, he's 7-1 against
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: the Panthers. It's like, he did his part. I think
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: that position is more than stats. It is a presence.
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: There is a culture. There's a mindset. I'm sure they
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: had a sense of, hey, we've got to protect Baker today.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: Let's run the ball really well. That was inspired by
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: the fact that. But he threw for 64 yards. He
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: threw the ball 11 times. They ran 49 times to
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: 11 pass attempts in the game.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: 30 runs in the first half.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: So Baker's not 7-1. The Bucs are 7-1 because it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: a collective effort because. I mean, if there was ever
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: a game where it was, you could say, all three
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: phases that you got beat in, this was it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Special teams was brutal, too.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: Special teams, muffed punt, and then also the extra point,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: as we mentioned, getting blocked for two points the other way.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, does that happen like once in the year
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: of the NFL football, of all the games of the league?
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Like about once a year, someone might return one? for
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: two points, if that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: Once every several years.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: And the luck they had on that one, the way
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: it got blocked and drops right in the guy's arms,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: kind of like the fumble of Bryce bounces perfectly for
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Kalijah Cansey. Like, again, and I'm not on here saying
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: we lost because of bad luck, but it didn't help.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: It wasn't our day. By the way, you have triggered
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: walk them down on the text line. You, along with
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: every Panther yesterday after the game, He says, I swear
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: to God, if I hear flush it one more time.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It's like me after Thanksgiving.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Bone said what they're trying to flush is definitely going
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to clog the toilet.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: By the way, it is like a league-wide freeze now.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: It's just because, oh, I just got to flush it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: It's over.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: It's gone.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's down.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: It's that simple. Now, can the fans bone flush all
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the money? I bet they feel like they flushed all
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the money they spent. See, that's the thing. The tone
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: coming out of that locker room after the game was, oh,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: we moved on already.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We just had our meeting.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: And it's like, go tell the fans who two out
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: of three games have seen this defense completely get annihilated. Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: that's the thing is, I get it to flush a thing.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: It's one thing to lose at home in some dramatic
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: fashion or something. They've just completely wasted money from the onset.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Can somebody stand up, and I thought Derrick Brown would
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: do it, and say what we did today is unacceptable.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: That's embarrassing.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And that tone was not, I don't know if Dave, like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: just set the tone in the speech and they all
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: followed it, but it was like, does nobody here feel
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: absolutely humiliated?
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: No, I think they do. And they just, you know, again,
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: it's probably some media training that goes into that, like
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: you said.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Give me real, man. Not to be so quotable.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: But it was an interesting weekend because, you know, the
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Hornets bounced back, obviously, quickly after their 47-point loss. But
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: what a weekend of booing we had here. And I
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: said it last week on another show. I said, I
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: am never upset about fans booing at home because of
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: their financial and time investment. I mean, especially if you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: a season ticket holder. You show up early. You tailgate
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: the expense, the anticipation. You're spending, if you're a season
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: ticket holder, thousands and thousands of dollars. And if you're
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: not happy, I mean, it's a natural human reaction. I mean,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: you want to be supportive to your team, but I
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: think you are. But I think there are some times
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: you're just kind of like, you know, it just is
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: what it is. It's a bad performance. And so I
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: don't ever get upset with fans that boo. I think
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: people take that the wrong way because I think they're just,
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: you know, hoping you'll turn it around and turn it
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: into a cheer because they want you to win as
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: much as the players work and try to get it
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: to get done. But it's human nature to be upset.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: I mean, you can't expect, oh, it's okay, guys. You'll
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: get them next time.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Is it wrong, Bone, that I am proud of us
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: as a sports city that we booed? Because when I
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: got here— We did a lot of that this weekend.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: When I got here— I was awful proud then. They gave
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: me a lot of examples. But in 2004, when I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: got here— and you know it, Zogh. And you know it too, Bone.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: It was a different feel of a sports town. It
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: was a little bit more of a, oh, you'll get
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: them next time, guys.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Some people might disagree with me. Some people might think
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: we've grown as a sports city for the worse. But
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I think they're pros. They're getting paid big money. They
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: can take it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I think this is the way passionate sports towns act.
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: I think it's fair and it's normal. The Charlotte Hornets
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: are famously known. for playing their first game ever in
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: the late 80s, losing to the Cavaliers by 40 and
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: getting a standing ovation. That's how we began as a
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: professional sports team. I think we're pretty kind overall, like
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: you said, compared to Philadelphia and some other places.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: I have a stat here to back up what Mac
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: was saying about the trend of the performing better after
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: losses like this. In the Dave Canales two-year and now
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: change tenure as Panther head coach, He's 12-10 after losses.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: The game immediately following a loss, he's 12-10 for a
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: 545 win percentage. They did it six times last year
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: and twice this year already.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: So you're right.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: There is a trend there where he's got a winning
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: record after losses. And Zoe gave up. The Buffalo brought
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: us the Packer one after the Buffalo blowout.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: How about the Bears? Hang 59 on us. We go
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and win 34-3.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Albeit against the law firm of Russian Strand. Yeah. What
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: do you think about this? That's it, Matt. We're winning
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: 34-3 Thursday.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: What do you think about the run defense, Oak? I
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: know Jalen Phillips was out, but you said it. They
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: looked like they wanted to protect Baker and get through
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: a game without him really having to do much, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: we acquiesced and allowed that. 258 yards, just what, five
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: games after giving up 291?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: How do you— How do you explain that?
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: It's awful. No, it's awful because you had to think
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: with Baker's injury that that was going to be their mindset.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: So it's kind of that you know what they're going
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: to do and you still can't stop it. And there
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: is a cumulative because we think of just defensive lines sometimes.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: At some point, I think you can get by in
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: times without your two starting corners, but add Jalen Phillips
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: into that. I mean, next man up is great, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: those are all three well-paid players. So it's like they're
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: well-paid for a reason. At some point, you want to
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: have your best players out there And it's just sometimes
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: it gets you against certain matchups. I think some teams
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: are tough matchups. And I think Bucky Irving doesn't get
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: enough credit for being one of the best running backs
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: in the league. Granted, it was him and Gainwell, so
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: it was a cumulative thing that it wasn't just one
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: player yesterday in this case here. But, yeah, it's this constant, like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: you know, lack of tackling. So sometimes they get by
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: that first layer, like you need your corner to come
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: up or your safety to make a tackle, and they're
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: missing two. and all of a sudden it's a touchdown
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: or a 30-yard run on something that looks pretty simple
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: out there.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Do they even want to tackle that at Caleb Evans?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Just when I thought a Caleb Evans covering was the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: worst part of his game, he got stiff-armed so easily,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: so it was like a toddler it was like they
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: were stiff-arming a toddler yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: And the one touchdown pass it's like we were as
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: close to the receiver as he was it was just
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: so much space there so again they're gonna have to
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: adjust things and maybe make some you know shuffling of
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: the lineup with some situation but secondary help along you
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: know we talk about the linebackers and the defensive front
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: It's a collective effort out there in terms of being
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: able to tackle that. You rely on the secondary, that
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: last line of defense.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: God dang. This texter would like Zoki to start at
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: corner this week.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: Same result would happen, I would tell you that. It
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: would not be a better result.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Did you lose any speed off the torn Achilles, or
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: are you still okay?
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the same lack of speed that was there
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: in high school.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Imagine the cushion. People don't like cushions. Imagine the cushion
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Zoki would give on those Packers receivers.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Zoki, what sports did you play? Keep it in front
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: of you. What sports did you play in high school?
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I played football, but I mostly played baseball and basketball
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: all the way through high school.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: That's nice. Look at that, baby. You would do Jim Thorpe. Oh,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: they're going to say the same thing. Jim Thorpe Zoki.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: Well, I should mention, not well. I played several sports,
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: but none of them particularly well, unlike Jim Thorpe.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: We've got a great question here, 704 number. Does Zoki
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: hate these segments after losses? Yes. I feel like you
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: guys interrogate him like he was responsible, not to mention
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: the texters that for some reason seem to blame him.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Zoki, we want the truth! Come on, Zoki, tell us!
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: I'm only the conduit to the information that is there
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: with the team itself.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: But yes, I think the answer is I think he
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't like these.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: They're not as fun.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: But he's a professional.
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: They're not as fun.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: I was hoping to do a Packers preview edition of
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: this one, but we'll save that for another time.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That's what you should have done. Imagine how mad that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Texter would have been.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm here for the Green Bay preview. What are you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: guys talking about?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: If you said, I'm flushing it. I refuse to talk
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: about it. I'm here for Green Bay.
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: I said before, I'd like to move my segment, not
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: this week at Winter Work, but to Fridays, because Friday
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: would be another— recap day it's a happy friday while
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: we're here we need a flush sound effect for the
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: rest of the show there is no doubt about it
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: this dude says when you hire an nfl coach that
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: should be a a youth.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Camp counselor this is what you get boy they turned
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: quickly i know that's the thing too i will say
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: so We were, as a fan base, pretty high going
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: into that game.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: We're still in first place. We're still in first place.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: I know it doesn't feel good, but we're still in
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: first place.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Like, we can vent, but do we need to, like...
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Somebody said, if we lose this week, is Canales getting fired?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I don't feel like we need to
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: turn that dramatically that fast.
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: I can promise that will not be the case. Okay,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: thank you for that. That one we can predict will
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: not be the case.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Thank you for that. All right, Zoke, you're the man, baby. Hey, guys,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: flush it, right? You're the man. That's right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Flush it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: I wish I was ever in the lobby bathroom earlier
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: today would have done the same courtesy.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: That's my bad, Joe. I don't know. Is it the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: weekend crew? What's going on here?
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: There's like paper towels rolling out of the bathroom into
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: the lobby.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: What was going on here this weekend? I know. What
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: do these people eat?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: What kind of food were y'all ordering while working weekends?
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Tampa Tammy's trash in the bathroom. Oh, God. Tampa Tammy.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I guess doesn't work till Wednesday, but is that going
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: to be a miserable experience, Bone?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We're already talking about making sure we have security.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: At the window.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: You should hide the security. This woman is in our heads.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: We are terrified for Wednesday morning.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Can we dress up louder as a security guard and say,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: please don't approach this window?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: At minimum, we're at orange security for this one.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: Oh, my God.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: All right, Jim Soke, you may step down. You may
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: step down here.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: See you next week.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: All right, Soke.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: When we come back here on the, I was going
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: to say the Panther Radio Network. That's what Jim's on.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: We're the Mac and Bone Radio Network. It was a
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: rough day for Bryce. Is it time to change the
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: narrative again? We'll ask the audience, courtesy of QC Mechanical,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: your local HVAC experts on the Mac and Bone Show,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Sports Radio 92.7. Thank you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to sit here and blame that loss
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: on Bryce Young. By no means was that on him. Now,
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: he turned the ball over, fumbled, returned for a touchdown,
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: but Kalijah Canty was a great play. And he didn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: play well. He threw interceptions, too. But the bottom line
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: is that was a team loss. They got run on
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: all day long to the tune of over 250 yards.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't play.
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: and win playing that style of football. They remember in
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: week one, the Bears ran for over 250 yards against them.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So that's two games teams have.
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: Run for over 250 yards against you.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: So that's a problem for them.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: Offensively, they never got into a rhythm, and they got
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: pushed around. So you combine that with Bryce Young not
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: playing great football, and that's why the Carolina Panthers got
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: blown out today.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Pete Prisco, a man who has not been shy about
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: his criticism of Bryce over the years. And I thought
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: he was going to go back in. I thought he
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: was going to go full bop there, Boney. Pete Prisco,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: big on opinions, short in stature. It should be a T-shirt.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: But that is Pete on CBS yesterday saying Bryce Young
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: did not lose this football game.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Now, granted, he didn't help.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: They got short fields after every one of Bryce's turnovers.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: No pun intended. I know I said short. but they
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: got short fields, Bo, after all three of the turnovers.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: One of them, the field was so short, they ended
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: up in the end zone with a touchdown. But again,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and I will say this, the one thing about Bryce's
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: performance that is alarming, both of his interceptions, at least
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: according to PFF, were clean pockets. So as much as
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the pressure led to the fumble for a touchdown and
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the pressure led, you know, obviously the five sacks killed
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: this offense, but Bryce Young had time.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: It feels like it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Was a game like early in Bryce's career, Bone, where
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: the pressure he's getting not only affects him on the
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: downs where he's pressured, but affects him on the downs
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: where he's not pressured.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like it's in his head.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: It's sped him up.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: He's avoided the really bad turnovers all year. He did
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: not do that yesterday. So, you know, it's still there.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: He's not a finished product still. And we saw that yesterday.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Per Sean Syedmak, Yeah, he didn't escape it like usual,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: did he?
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: No.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: It's like, now part of that is, Bone, Sumer Sports
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: also said it was the fastest time to pressure.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Him all season.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: So it's like the pressure got on him so quick.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And because they only blitz, they only pressure with four
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: on all the sacks. They didn't blitz on any of
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the sacks, believe it or not. It's almost like bone,
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: the extra guy in coverage, maybe there was, you know
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: what I mean? They had seven in coverage as opposed
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to six, if they send five and maybe that just
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: made it harder for him to find guys quick, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: he didn't hit the escape hatch as quick as he
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: needed to. Usually bone is He he's been so in control.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: He was the fourth most pressure quarterback in the league
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: coming in, coming into today's game. And what he had
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: done so well is just having that extra sense of like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: here comes the rush.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get over there.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: And it didn't feel like he was quick enough to
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: respond to the pressure, but it was on him as
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: quick as it's been.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Your guy, Scooby-Doo. What's his name yesterday? Yeah, yeah, Diaby. Yeah,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: him too, yeah.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: And we would have gotten away with it if it
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: wasn't for Rasheed Walker.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That meddling left tackle. You're
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: so right, though.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Do you know how hard it is, Mac, for the
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: left tackle to end up in a play that gets
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: the right tackle hurt?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: How badly did you have to get shoved? He was
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: getting shoved around constantly, Rasheed Walker, on the bull rush.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: But anyway, back to Bryce. So are we supposed to
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: change the narrative about Bryce Boney? This dude says, I
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: know you're going to criticize me and call me a hater,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: but now I'm afraid to face the Green Bay and
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Denver defense. It's not just Bryce. But can this combination
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of Bryce and the offensive line handle good defenses?
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that? I'm not ready to
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: do all that yet.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: He's still been really good this year, but he's not–
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: opposed to an off game. But that was a team-wide
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: systematic failure yesterday where everybody was involved, from offense, defense, coaching.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Everybody had a horrible game yesterday. It was going to
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: be hard for Bryce Mack to have a great day
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: when everything else around him was horrible yesterday, Bryce included.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Bryce is not above the criticism from yesterday, but go
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: ahead and show me something yesterday that was actually good.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Nothing worked yesterday. Nothing at all was good yesterday. No,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: it was terrible. It was collective terrible.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: It's not like the defense played great and Bryce threw
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: horrible picks and let the team down.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody was bad yesterday.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: 704 says, unfortunately, this game, Bryce could not hide the
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: offensive line mistakes. Yeah, he's been doing a pretty good
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: job of that. I guess this is proof you can't
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: do that every night. 704 number says, isn't this proof
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that we got too high on Bryce? The MVP chance,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the top five quarterback discussions. Yeah, I mean, we can
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: only talk about the games that are played. And through
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: last week's game, I feel like all that stuff was relevant.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: But you got to do it week in and week out.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: And we'll see. If he rattles off-bone another five-game stretch
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: like he just had, we're going to forget this one.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I have a question.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: We deal with this a lot. I know you just
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: challenged him there, but why— Why are there so many
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: people that take glee in the fact that Bryce had
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: a bad game yesterday? They're texting Charlotte Sports Radio. I'm
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: not even just talking about the the normal people but
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: there's people that are panda fans mocking the quarterback having
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: a bad game yesterday i don't i never understand that
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: i don't i.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Don't are they panther fans i guess.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I guess some of them are but i guess not
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: it really is annoying because he's the nicest dude ever
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: like if you can't get behind and root for bryce
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: like what does that say about you Because there was
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: a thing. When you're taking pride in the guy struggling
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: for yesterday. Not to mention the Panther fan angle of,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: you seem a little too happy your quarterback, who we
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: were chanting MVP to.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Two weeks ago, played like that. And some people didn't
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: like Cam winning either. It's really against your own guys.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: This dude said, I compare it to Cam. Cam would
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: often be able to overcome if there was bad pass protection.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes he wouldn't, and it would get ugly, and that's
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: what happened yesterday.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, Cam's one of the greatest dual-threat quarterbacks the
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: history of the NFL has ever seen. Mac, how many
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks would have thrived with yesterday? His left tackle was
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: so bad, he got his right tackle injured because his
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: ass got blocked that far out of the play.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Put that into perspective, people.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I know something, we're going to come here and we're
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: going to defend and make excuses for him.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Dude, Bryce was awful. I thought the interception when he
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: threw the ball.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: To Coker was bad. You know, the sack fumble. At
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: some point, you've got to be able to hit and
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: fumble the football. That was rookie Bryce for 2.0. Like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: he was bad yesterday. But why was he bad? If
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: he would have had a clean pocket and made all
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: those same mistakes, then guess what? We are ripping QB9
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: over and over and over again.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: What do you think about the fact PFF has his
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: two interceptions with a clean pocket, though?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: Again, those go, those plays go against Bryce, but I
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: don't know. Mac does my homes, Alan burrow. Do those
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: guys thrive with that kind of offensive line play yesterday?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I do want to point out.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: And if they do, they're at a upper, they're a
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: higher echelon of quarterback than what Bryce is.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: To your point.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Pat my homes yesterday in the 20 to three loss
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to Seattle, uh, through 19 of 33 165 five yards
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: at attempt no touchdowns one pick in a 58 rating.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Never ran a play in the red zone the first
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: time in his career.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: And he might be the greatest ever and you know
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: what happened to him yesterday the run game that had
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: been carrying that football team and his best friend was
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: not there yesterday seattle shut down walker so Let's not
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: act like great quarterbacks don't have rough nights. The thing
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: for me is let's not make it a trend. Like
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: I saw Joe Persons article bone, the athletic.com by the way.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And he said it looked like 23, 2023, 2024 Bryce.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And I don't disagree with that. Um, I would say
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: early 2024, cause remember bone, the last, um, uh, 10
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: games of 2024.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I just want to point that out there. But anyway, um,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: let's just not make it a trend.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Because in 2023 and early 2024, games like that would
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: be a trend. Let's not let it be a trend,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: and then there's no harm done. To Phitty's point, though, yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you've got to be terrified about the pass protection. On
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the road, fired up Lambeau, a bunch of old Milwaukee's
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: and Milwaukee's best and all that damn stuff being drank
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: before the game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Like, you've got to worry about his pass protection, no
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: doubt about it. We still a good football team? I
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm ready to say that. I do
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: know this. I just want to say good football team.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: The texters that are saying the season is over, I
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: do believe I would disagree with you. But today, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: just want to vent today. I don't want to have
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: many of those conversations.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: We're still the best team in the NFC South. If anything,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: a good football team. I still believe. Oh, my God.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Say if it. They're an above average football team. That
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound as good as good football team.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: When we come back, it's college football pumped or pissed,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: looking for happy South Carolina fans, coping Clemson and North
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Carolina fans, and we wonder what are state fans feeling
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: today about their coach being fired?
• 43:24
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