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The Beautiful & Deadly Lady of the Woods: Thai Tree Spirit (Nang Mai) Explained · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: The car was turning into the left. Wanted to reverse, right.
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  Speaker 1: One of my auntie, not the normal auntie, ah, one
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  Speaker 1: of my other, other auntie say, Hey, hey, something in
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  Speaker 1: the line, he got, I didn't, I didn't in it
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  Speaker 1: like I see too.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Fur,
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  Speaker 2: my name is Wayne. My name is
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  Speaker 1: Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired by
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  Speaker 1: the classic horror series, we explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 1: In
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  Speaker 2: this episode, we learn about the law of the mysterious
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  Speaker 2: tree dwelling spirit, the beautiful and mysterious Nang Mai from Thailand.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode,
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  Speaker 2: Revenge.
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  Speaker 1: Nang Mai is a female folklore spirit from Thailand that
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  Speaker 1: is said to reside within large trees and is also
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  Speaker 1: known by the name Lady of the Woods. She is
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  Speaker 1: described as a beautiful young woman with shoulder length hair,
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  Speaker 1: wearing pleated skirts.
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  Speaker 1: And a slanted sash. The Thai people believe that nangmai
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  Speaker 1: are sacred and cause people who cut down their trees
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  Speaker 1: to go sick or insane. The bigger and stronger the
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  Speaker 1: tree is, the more sacred the nang Mai residing within
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  Speaker 1: it is regarded as the Nangmai must be strong enough
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the tree from being cut down easily.
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  Speaker 1: People must first perform a ceremony asking for forgiveness before
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  Speaker 1: cutting down large trees in the forest. What is striking
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  Speaker 1: about the legend of Nang Mai that has enabled it
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  Speaker 1: to last across generations? Does knowing more about its law
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  Speaker 1: and cultural background make it more or less scary? Basically,
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  Speaker 1: in Singapore's or Malaysia's context is Nene Kabayan, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Nenet Kebayan is basically a Nene but Kabayan.
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  Speaker 1: educational. No, uh, Nene Kabayan is known to wander around
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  Speaker 1: the forested area.
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  Speaker 2: Oh,
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  Speaker 2: witch witch, it's a, it's an entity lah. It's not
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  Speaker 2: a human. It was, it's just, just a spirit lah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a, that one I don't know. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a spirit, uh, and also, again, correct me if I'm wrong, this,
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  Speaker 1: this was told to me. Apparently Nene Kabayan is one
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  Speaker 1: of the strongest entity more than.
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  Speaker 1: This one, I don't know, like, because technically Nanette Kabayan
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  Speaker 1: like human-like figure, you know, so I can, I can
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  Speaker 1: imagine I can imagine like, you know, the nette Kabayan
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  Speaker 1: is like the final boss, and then beside her, beside
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  Speaker 1: her got like Pontiana, beside her got Pochong, and then
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  Speaker 1: Toyo
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  Speaker 2: is that what you like listen to when you grow
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  Speaker 2: up like it's like the it's your imagination. It's
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  Speaker 1: someone, no, someone told me this, I forget who it was,
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  Speaker 1: but he said he is a he. He said Nene
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  Speaker 1: Kabayan is the strongest like entity.
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  Speaker 1: Again, correct me if I'm wrong, ah,
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  Speaker 2: does she? OK, so what's her reason for attacking
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  Speaker 2: people?
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  Speaker 1: You don't ask me downs.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's down or you go into
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  Speaker 2: her domain, you go into the forest like she not
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  Speaker 2: happy you never
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  Speaker 1: pay respect. Maybe I,
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  Speaker 2: I think last time, last time you did tell in one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the earlier episodes you did say that like if
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  Speaker 2: you enter the forest you you guys do say something
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  Speaker 2: right like like you see do you do you say
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  Speaker 2: would you say something to like oh sorry to intrude
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  Speaker 1: or something ok so basically if we go to like
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  Speaker 1: um I usually like usually it's like uh cemeteries la
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  Speaker 1: cemetery usually we say like uh salam leikum ali kubor
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  Speaker 1: means you pay respects to the the
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  Speaker 2: things like that.
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  Speaker 1: The late people, the deceased, yes, but then for forested
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  Speaker 1: area usually la, usually, ah, people will pay respects if
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  Speaker 1: they maybe want to, uh, si people want to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you, but you basically you acknowledge whatever's there lah and
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 1: OK, this one, right, it's a bit like half, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like some people say it's fine, OK, to do that
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  Speaker 1: because you are not asking them for permission, you are
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  Speaker 1: just telling them because you are aware. besides human, there
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  Speaker 1: are other entities or other spirits, you know, living in
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  Speaker 1: this earth. Some people say it's OK, but some people
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  Speaker 1: say no, when you say those kind of things, if
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  Speaker 1: you want to pee or what, right at the forested area.
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  Speaker 1: That one is shiri Shirik means, um, how do I
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  Speaker 1: put this
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  Speaker 2: uh blasphemous it means that it's not within the teachings
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  Speaker 2: confines of your teachings like what you learn so you
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  Speaker 2: so you cannot like 100% acknowledge it lah you
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  Speaker 1: know you like.
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  Speaker 1: so
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  Speaker 2: so it's kind of like can say like a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a gray area lah because you also you want
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  Speaker 2: to be safe, right, but at the same time this
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  Speaker 2: is not what is
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  Speaker 2: taught
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  Speaker 1: to you correct you want to be safe, yeah, correct,
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  Speaker 1: but the thing is to me I'm in that.
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  Speaker 1: Fine area because technically you are, you are just informing, OK,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to pee, don't disturb me. It's not like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want your permission, please let me pee, you get
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? So I think it's still fine lah.
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  Speaker 1: That one for me lah, but different people have different
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  Speaker 1: beliefs and I respect all beliefs, lah. So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I think being half Thai, right, I did try
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  Speaker 2: to ask my mom who, you know, grew up in
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  Speaker 2: a village, Kampong, and they're surrounded by trees, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: I asked her about Nang Mai and then she's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the village here got one.
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  Speaker 2: But to them Nang Mai is kind of like
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  Speaker 1: nice person. No,
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  Speaker 2: like the Pondiana basically you cannot say it's nice though,
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  Speaker 2: no you can say it's evil, but you do not
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  Speaker 2: go and provoke it for sure, yeah, but she never
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  Speaker 2: specifically say it's nang mai. She said that, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's a true spirit, but it's basically what we describe
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  Speaker 2: is basically a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Uh within the trees or the forest. Yeah. So there's
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  Speaker 2: this story that my mom told me and this happened,
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  Speaker 2: I think, so this happened somewhere in the 70s. So
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to go and this happened in her village,
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  Speaker 2: which I visited. She wanted to go get mangoes and
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  Speaker 2: you know, because they grew up poor, so they got
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  Speaker 2: no mangoes, they they wanted to go and get mangoes from,
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  Speaker 2: I think like this small plantation that
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  Speaker 2: Uh, it was abandoned or ah like belonged to someone,
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  Speaker 2: and I wasn't sure, but, ah, basically she needed to
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  Speaker 2: go into an abandoned building.
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  Speaker 2: So they had like some abandoned place and the abandoned
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  Speaker 2: building is known to be haunted, yeah, but, um, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you when you're young, you don't care. So she,
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  Speaker 2: she will, she went, she went inside, I think early
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  Speaker 2: in the morning because she didn't want to be detected
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  Speaker 2: and I think she was alone. She's like quite daring,
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  Speaker 2: like you're 67 years old and you go alone, right then, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so she went in.
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  Speaker 2: And it's quite um lackluster la. So basically the moment
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  Speaker 2: she went in she take the mango, right, and she
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  Speaker 2: turned and she was on her way out on the
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  Speaker 2: by the tree. Then she saw, she saw her uh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: potentially nang mai la cannot confirm if it's nang mai,
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  Speaker 2: but I believe so la because it's a tree spirit
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  Speaker 2: mark so it looked very similar to this, but I
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  Speaker 2: think wearing the more traditional clothes and then immediately she ran, then, uh,
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  Speaker 2: she got fever, then her grandmother had to.
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  Speaker 2: I think he traveled to another village nearby to get
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  Speaker 2: like a shaman, like a bomo to help fix her
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  Speaker 2: la and basically the shaman and bomo say, yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: your your granddaughter um angered tree spirit and then you
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  Speaker 2: need to pray. So then they have to bring her
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  Speaker 2: to the temple.
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  Speaker 2: So they had to do what, uh, use the sain.
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  Speaker 2: The sain is basically the Buddhist, the Thai Buddhist monk, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they tie the, the white robe and then they chant
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  Speaker 2: towards her to try to cleanse her lah. So yeah, so,
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  Speaker 2: so that's what they did and then shortly after she recovered. But,
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  Speaker 1: but
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  Speaker 1: why did like she angered the thing, but she just
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  Speaker 1: took Mingo's word,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, but trespass.
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  Speaker 2: It's like.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you go into somebody's house, you never even
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge or you never say anything and it's clearly abandoned,
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  Speaker 2: and then you just go and take the mango. It's
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  Speaker 2: like rude, right, yeah, and some of your kid, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So actually her village got quite a bit of history
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  Speaker 2: on her story. I think I have walked past that
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  Speaker 2: place before. Creepy, creepy. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I like
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  Speaker 1: how you see when, when, you know, when people are young,
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  Speaker 1: they don't really care, right?
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  Speaker 1: Is it like a Malay family thing or is it
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  Speaker 1: just me? Actually, when I was younger, I actually more scared.
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  Speaker 1: I
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  Speaker 1: You're not scared, man. You know, it's, it's to the
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  Speaker 1: point that sometimes when I was a kid, ah, inside
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  Speaker 1: the toilet, I'm bathing, right, showering, showering, I shampoo my hair,
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  Speaker 1: then usually shampoo hair. The shampoo very thin right now.
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  Speaker 1: I scared like something at the back or what.
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  Speaker 2: OK. So you guys never go through all this. I
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  Speaker 2: have one question for you. So did your parents tell
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  Speaker 2: you ghost stories, or did you watch a lot of
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  Speaker 2: horror films when you were growing up?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, my parents don't tell me horror stories. I think
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  Speaker 1: I watch a lot of like horror films.
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  Speaker 2: That's
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  Speaker 2: why, that's why you're a horror creator. We, I think
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  Speaker 2: the two of us can, can, uh, have the same
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  Speaker 2: background because we watch a lot of horror when we
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  Speaker 2: were like 56 years old. So we have that, that,
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  Speaker 2: I guess trauma because you're scared, right? That's the same thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: So you, you were scared to close your eyes, right?
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  Speaker 2: I watched Candyman when I was young. I was scared
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  Speaker 2: to look in the mirror.
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  Speaker 2: Until this day, still frightened of doppelgangers. So, so I, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 2: I get it. But I think, uh, because they grew
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  Speaker 2: up in the kampong, it's different because they've seen, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you play with nature so near,
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  Speaker 1: I we very HDB,
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  Speaker 2: HDB or what are you gonna spoil brat, but OK,
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  Speaker 2: so let's think if Nang Mai is the Thai version of,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, not exact lah, but the Thai version of
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  Speaker 2: Cup B, then how come we're so scared of Cup
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  Speaker 2: B but we're not so scared of.
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  Speaker 2: We can say like oh Nang Mai is more the
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  Speaker 2: I'm scared of both.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know I've never heard or never seen up
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  Speaker 1: to this episode. I've never heard of never seen nang Mai.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe I'm afraid of both. I don't know. I,
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  Speaker 2: I, I generally, even though I know of it, I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm scared of both. I just think that nature
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  Speaker 2: is scary. Uh, I think maybe in Singapore's context, maybe
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  Speaker 2: not so much because
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  Speaker 2: Um, I think our forests are not that old, but
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  Speaker 2: imagine now you go to Borneo. Oh, those forests are hundreds,
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  Speaker 2: maybe thousands of years old, that, that you don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's inside is physically, spiritually. So I think the, the
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  Speaker 2: nature aspect scares me as to like, oh, abandoned building.
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  Speaker 2: I mean 50 years, 60 years.
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  Speaker 1: But what if the Nangma is a pretty woman.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the scary
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  Speaker 2: part, because imagine you're in the middle of nowhere, then Scarly,
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  Speaker 2: this pretty woman come out like walk out from the
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  Speaker 2: forest with no like dirt or because you go in
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  Speaker 2: the forest dirty sweat.
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  Speaker 2: You confirm question on right like this one is like
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  Speaker 2: this is weird. This
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  Speaker 1: is too pretty
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  Speaker 1: for her to be a human
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  Speaker 2: she's
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  Speaker 2: not in the right right wear she's wearing high heels
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  Speaker 2: or whatever and got
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  Speaker 1: slanted chair,
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  Speaker 2: right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this one Miss Universe
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  Speaker 2: this one SAS already, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I, I'm trying to recall like what are
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: the Nanet Kabayan stories I, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, there's only one story that I can probably relate to. Um, again,
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  Speaker 1: I forget where this happened, but remember I got to
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  Speaker 1: say about my one of my aunties that, uh, last time,
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  Speaker 1: last time, I think now she's OK. Last time always
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  Speaker 1: gonna like possess and whatnot, right? I have another auntie,
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  Speaker 1: so my, this is my mother's siblings lah, my, my
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  Speaker 1: mother's younger siblings. Uh, we were out on an adventure.
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  Speaker 1: There were 2 or 3 vehicles. I think there were
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  Speaker 1: 3 vehicles. Uh, one is a van. I was in
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  Speaker 1: the van and then 1 car, uh, 2 cars. So
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  Speaker 1: we got 2 cars, 1 van. Uh, we were at,
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  Speaker 1: what was it on red Road?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I, I forget. I very near Bukit No Mount Pleasant.
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  Speaker 2: It's
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  Speaker 1: like a very foresty area, you know. So we parked
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  Speaker 1: already by the side of the road. We parked inside.
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  Speaker 1: Then one of, hey bro, Malay Malay, trust me you
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  Speaker 1: can ask all your Malay friends. Malay usually like adventure one,
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  Speaker 1: bro boring, boring daring, bro, boring, boring adventure, I think
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  Speaker 1: now you go TikTok, you scroll also you see a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Malay do one. It's just a Malay thing. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: so I remember my, the van park, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was in the van now we all go down already.
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  Speaker 1: And the car wanted to, you know, want, usually if car, right,
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  Speaker 1: you will like go to the left first and then
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  Speaker 1: you reverse, right? Let's say, ah, let's say this is
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  Speaker 1: the lane. You go to the left first then you reverse.
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  Speaker 1: So when the, the car was turning into the left,
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  Speaker 1: wanted to reverse, right? One of my auntie, not the
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  Speaker 1: normal auntie, ah, one of my other, other auntie say, Hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: something in the line, he got, I didn't, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: need like too after she said that she become good already. Then, uh,
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  Speaker 1: one of, one of my cousin called it off a, uh,
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  Speaker 1: something is wrong with her, and then.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, we all drove out. We go inside the van
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  Speaker 1: and everybody drove already and then I, if I'm not wrong, uh,
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  Speaker 1: below there, you go straight ahead, right in front to
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  Speaker 1: the left or something, there's um.
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  Speaker 1: There's a petrol station. Again, I don't know why a
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  Speaker 1: lot of, a lot of the, uh, rookia or the
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  Speaker 1: exorcism session happens at petrol station, but that story also
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  Speaker 1: happens at petrol station, and the thing is my grandmother
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  Speaker 1: was there, uh, the another my another auntie was there also,
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  Speaker 1: and the thing, right, keep bouncing off. So for example, ah.
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  Speaker 1: So they, my, my, my, my, uh, my uncles, my brothers,
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to recite, trying to, uh, take out la,
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  Speaker 1: like trying to fix the situation, then it bounced off.
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  Speaker 1: The thing go out of my auntie, go into my grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: So when go to my grandmother, attend to my grandmother, the,
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  Speaker 1: the thing go out of my grandmother, go to my auntie.
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  Speaker 1: It's like that bounce off and then I don't know why,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how one of my cousin got an idea.
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  Speaker 1: So what he did was, because the thing keep on
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  Speaker 1: bouncing like.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, go to my, uh, go to my grandmother, go
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  Speaker 1: to my auntie. One of my cousins actually, uh, went
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  Speaker 1: back to the place we were, we were at, right,
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  Speaker 1: went back to the place we were at, and then
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  Speaker 1: he recite some prayers, and I swear to God, I
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  Speaker 1: tried to find the footage. My brother recorded the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to find the footage, but as soon as
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  Speaker 1: they were done, right, as soon as they were done
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  Speaker 1: with like the prayers.
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  Speaker 1: At the petrol station I got like a flock of
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  Speaker 1: birds like
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  Speaker 2: hm
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  Speaker 1: then my my auntie got better my my the thing
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  Speaker 1: like really really chow already.
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  Speaker 1: So that was the story.
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  Speaker 2: Well,
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  Speaker 1: you try to find the footage. I try. If I have,
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  Speaker 1: if I found the footage, I send it to you. Your,
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  Speaker 2: your cousin is brave, yeah, alone. He go back.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, no, no, no, no, no. We were Ramai bro.
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  Speaker 1: We were there's, there's like maybe less than 20 lah,
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  Speaker 1: but there was like a lot of us. So my family, OK,
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  Speaker 1: my family, my, uh, my auntie's family also were there, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was a bit ironic, but that was fun. That
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  Speaker 1: was fun. I mean, I, I still remember the story,
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  Speaker 1: for
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  Speaker 2: your auntie,
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  Speaker 1: not fun, but, but, but again after that, right, we
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  Speaker 1: went to, uh, we went to Mustafa Center area to
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Makana to have supper. Then my auntie still weird. She
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  Speaker 1: like looked at me, then like.
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  Speaker 1: I swear, I swear, bro, she's still weird until the
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  Speaker 1: next day at that point of time, my auntie was
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  Speaker 1: living with me, if I'm not wrong, until the very
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  Speaker 1: next day or two days later she was OK, OK,
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  Speaker 1: but serious, bro, we eating supper, we like don't have
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  Speaker 1: appetite like that, bro. She like.
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  Speaker 2: Did she say anything to you or she just look
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  Speaker 2: at
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  Speaker 2: you
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  Speaker 1: like, like she, she she say like normal, but she
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  Speaker 1: like very weird like smile.
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  Speaker 2: I mean,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: She just cannot possess lah but that was,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: that was creepy the fact that the thing is so
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: strong because the thing like bounce off grandmother, auntie, grandmother,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I still remember that one
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: so maybe they are a bit more both of them
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: are a bit more sensitive la to this or like easier, but,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: but
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: she's, she's, that's the thing at that point of time.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: When, uh, because we didn't know she cannot possess, we
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: thought it's the normal auntie that cannot possess, but it's
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: actually the other auntie. The other auntie usually OK one.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: So that, that particular night maybe she go and go
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: and like pointing out, hey, I didn't name it as
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you do,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: or because she was the one who saw it, right?
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: She was the one
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: who acknowledged the
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: thing, it's a trap. It's a trap. Guys don't acknowledge it.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: It's a trap. So nature spirits appear in folklore across
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: different parts of the world.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: But can be portrayed very differently. Spirits like the kodama
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: from Japan and the Pugu from Indonesia inhabit specific natural spaces,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: rewarding those who respect them while punishing the ones who
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: mistreat the environment. Instead of being evil, these beings are
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: portrayed to enforce a relationship between human and nature.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Alright guys, why do you think trees and nature have
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: become such a common home for spirits in so many cultures,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: and do you think the way a culture treats nature
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Influences the kind of folklore it created. I will answer first,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: and I say 100%
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: yes. I would say so. So I mean like back
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: then like you really, really rewind time, don't have houses, right?
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Even the kampong, maybe the kampong never isn't there yet
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: also so it's only, it's only nature that they, they
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: use the trees to, to as as their home,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you know. I think it's a shelter. I listen to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: some feng shui masters, lah. So maybe with my very
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: limited feng shui knowledge.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I will say that um generally forests and trees are
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: more in in energy and there's a saying that spirits
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: tend to take shelters in the trees. And then you
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: realize that when people abandon their statues, right, or like the,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the Chinese, the prayer, the tablet, right, they always put
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: under the tree.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Speaking of trees, growing up, growing up, I, I don't
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: know whether it's true or not, but my, my older
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: people usually, usually say that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Ah, the lightning, right, is actually the lightning one to
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: is targeted to all the genes. Again, I don't know
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: whether it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: right. No, but I mean, I, I see where I
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: see what they're trying to do down here, which is
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: why I feel like, you know.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: This is why the the nature has become such a
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: common home for the spirits in in these cultures, because
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: though them telling you all the lightning strikes the gin
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: will stop you from standing underneath the tree, because then
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: you think to yourself, there's gin up there. So it's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: a cautionary tale. It's that's why I feel like, you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: when they talk about nang mai, you have to give
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: offerings to nang mai, um, you have to ask nang
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: mai's permission before you cut down a tree.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: The whole point is to help preserve the trees, or
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: at least get you to stop and think about why
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you're cutting down the tree. Environmentalists, maybe they came up
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: with the folklore. Don't cut down the trees, then they
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: start telling ghost stories. Actually, maybe environmentalists, you could start
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: using that as your as a warning. No, but I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have a story, a quick one, from my feng shui master.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: He told me.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Um, there's a plot of land, uh, that they were
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: trying to build a condo, lah, right, obviously. Um, then
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the developer just couldn't, uh, build it, like you will either, uh, usual,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: the workers get injured or like they just can't manage
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to build the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Basically the base of what the building should be, and
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: like at one point it got so bad that they
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: were building like half a wall, it collapsed. Nobody fortunately,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: nobody died, but they were causing a lot of delays
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: to the developer. Then the developer also didn't thought of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: thinking to get someone to take a look at it,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and then they basically eventually got referred to my master,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and then my master went down, uh, took one look like.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: That tree, uh, were you trying to cut it, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: this was a huge tree, possibly very old, like 30,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: 40 years old. Then he had like a sash around it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's a very clear sign that there's something
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that I said, oh no, we're gonna chop it down later,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: but we're focusing on the building the base first. I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: was like, OK, maybe yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I suggest to you lah, we do some prayers, some
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: offerings to the tree, and then just tell them to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: vacate lah. So, after they did that, then they chopped
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: down the tree and everything went smooth. But the master
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: did also say that, yeah, that place is not.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: The cleanest lah. The in energy that is very, very strong.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So you say that, yeah, I wouldn't, uh, I wouldn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: say that. So Thai horror deeply reflects the beliefs of
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the Thai people and their culture of being. Thai culture
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: often views the supernatural as a normal part of everyday
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: life rather than something alien, and this familiarity with the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: supernatural allows horror media to blend dark moments with more
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: light-hearted ones without breaking realism.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Hence the mixing of genres with horror media. Why do
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you think Thai horror media has such universal widespread success
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: despite being distinctly Thai? Why do people enjoy genre blending
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: horror media as opposed to just pure horror media? It
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: hits
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: home. Uh, to me, lah, if you ask me whether
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I like, like,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: The horror genre by itself or like a blend of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: horror and comedy, I would say I like horror comedy, bro.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Horror comedy is like half half of what I like,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you understand. It's not that scary.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Somebody,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: somebody, I can't remember which writer it was. I was reading,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: they said that, uh, life doesn't contain genres. Oh
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: yeah, well, that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: deeper. Yeah. So the more real, if you want to, honestly,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: if you want to have your horror hit closer to home.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: If it's not a straightforward horror, if there's a bit
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of there's funny bits, if it's even a mix of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: horror and comedy, I think that hits closer to home
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: because it's more, it's just the way humans
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: are.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Have you guys watched this, uh, Thai horror comedy, uh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I forget what it's called, 503, is it? 403.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's about a Thai realtor. They bought a, a hotel, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: That is super good.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: love that movie.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You should try it's pretty good lah. Like it's, it's horror,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: but then,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: uh, with a lot of comedy like the climax. Like,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: yeah, I, my, my take as a filmmaker is that
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: actually horror and comedy are very
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: similar,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: correct? The, the pacing.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I, I, I, I wouldn't say that we are
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: comedians now, but I will feel that the show itself,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: even though it's horror-based, but the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The comedy elements is there and the pacing is built
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: from us telling ghost stories for so many years.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Was it you, you, you told me about this horror and, and,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and comedy is about all about
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: pacing. It's all about is the pacing, the build up,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: then the punchline. Yeah, exactly. The horror also got punchline.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So I think it shares it very well. Uh, most
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: recently I watched Resident Evil or the new one. I mean,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: irregardless of how you feel about it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Uh, as a fan, I'm a longtime Resident Evil fan
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and I loved it. I think the, the genre change
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: because it changes genre at a certain point in the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: film from horror to comedy to comedy.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, this film come out very long already. That's why
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I even watched, uh, but I never see the plot, but, uh,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's masterful storytelling, uh, and it comes
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: from someone who actually understands horror and comedy. So I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: think it's about effective, effectiveness, and how do you deliver
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: something that is so dark.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: At a, I think a casual, yeah, because horror is
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: very dark, to be honest, yeah, but at a certain
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: point you release the tension, right? I think it will
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: be good.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: OK, OK, OK,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: but do you feel like this both y'all, but do
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you feel that that's the secret to Thai horror movies
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that they blend all they've been doing it for years.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: They've been doing it for years. Then only now I
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: guess the Western media side is catching up, uh, I think.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You can't just akin it to just um Thai horror lah. I, I,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: you can possibly say that Thai horror is one of
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the pioneers for doing horror comedy, but I would say
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that Malaysia, Indonesia, they also do pretty good now.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I think the Indonesian scene is big
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: horror comedy comedy like, like earlier this year we, we,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: we watched uh Joko's film
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Ghost in the Ghost in
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Cell is very good. It's also.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: kind of horror, uh, it changes genre at a certain
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: point and then the way it goes is like up, down, up, down, up, down, down,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you don't know where to scream or to laugh, you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: so I feel like it's very effective lah if you
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: want to tell a very compelling or deep story and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Ghost in a Cell is not exactly a light-hearted show.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: He's talking about very
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, sensitive and very real subjects that that can be
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: quite dark. So I feel like, um, the way you
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: use it is also good because horror is not something
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that you just watch casually. I feel like you need
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to be in a mood, like pure, pure horror because
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you watch it, then you need to decompress,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: yeah, because, and, and the pacing for usually like if
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: horror only is like sometimes very slow, bro. They don't
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: start the movie with like, ah, you know, they, they
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: usually start the movie like in a creepy crawly.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And then bam, you know.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I, I think it's effective. I think it
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: will definitely stay lah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Even though the Nang Mai is a piece of ancient folklore, uh,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: it has managed to positively impact our current world. Due
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to the powerful cultural taboo against cutting down trees, fear
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of angering the Nang Mai, or bringing upon bad luck.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It acts as a prevention measure against local loggers and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: commercial developers.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: They must perform elaborate rituals and ask for permission before
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: cutting down old trees, which effectively prevents reckless deforestation. Visual
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: markers such as tree-colored ribbons even warn people not to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: behave irresponsibly or speak disrespectfully near the tree. Do you
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: support the use of folklore as a prevention measure?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Would this practice be sustainable for future practices and when
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: would you say it goes too
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: far?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: 100%, yes. Uh, I think the earth is a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: older than humans. So you got to respect nature. Unfortunately,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: we don't pay nature as much respect as we should.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Is it a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Sustainable practice for, I think no because people uh they
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: tend to not believe folklore as much,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: especially the Gen Z, bro
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: aren't you one of them? Yeah,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Even though I'm a Gen Z, I like to associate
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: myself with the millennials. No, no, no, no,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: no.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Who
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: said we
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: accept you? We, we need, we need, we need to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: establish this. Young millennial, youngest millennial, elder millennial, elder Gen Z,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Toka Gen Z, yeah.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: 67.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: But
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: OK, I rephrase my saying, bro, now the gen alpha
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: is not even scared of ghosts, bro. I mean, like
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they won't, they won't believe it until they see it lah,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: but
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I don't even think it's a generational thing. I think.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: The reason why I don't think it's sustainable is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: People love money more than they're scared of ghosts. So yes,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: they will, you know, be respectful and everything, but after
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: a while they'll be like, all this money or be
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: respectful to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: ghosts.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Actually true whatever you say, because if I know they
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: are scared of ghosts, right, they wouldn't go to cemetery
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to sell salt. They never go to the cemetery to sell, uh, what, ah, uh,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: sate lala.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: They never go to the cemetery to ask for numbers
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and whatnot. Means they really love, they love their money
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: more than they are scared of ghosts.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Uh, the sentiment is true lah. We love money more
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: than than this, but until
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Old Changi Hospital gets completely revamped, and this is not
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: a challenge. This is a statement, right? I won't believe
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: that there's no greater power and greater spirits that is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: preventing money essentially capitalism from taking over all these old spaces.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: You see, it's how long already you don't want to
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: redevelop about it just, it just seems to not be
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: able to happen. Like my story just now, I think.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's about respect to the trees, lah. But then again, right,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: if I, is this a 100 year old tree, right?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: How do you persuade?
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: The spirit to live. It's very hard. I honestly don't
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: think it's that simple because it's like they ask you
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: this question then where I stay.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Which tree do you want me to go? I am
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the most powerful nang mai down here. You want me
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to move to a new tree. This tree got a
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: bunch of kakas. This tree got Nene kabayan. This tree
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: about to be chopped down. This tree not mature enough.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Where do you want me to go? And you can't
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just like go and like, oh, if you don't, we
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: will vanquish you. But to be honest, they were there first, ma.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But if you
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: play that game, then hard, ah, right? Actually, I was
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: thinking also, how, how do you negotiate with them? Do
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you have, you have ideas? I do.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: We live more harmoniously with nature.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: That way no need to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: unblock, but then you still need to cut the trees
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to make space to build a home there, to build
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a house there.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I, I, I give the starting point. People smarter than
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: me will figure out from there.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Or
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: or you incorporate, you make three houses.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Together, right,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: yeah, the amount I have to deal with. No thank
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: you.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Why do you care about your chicha? We are talking
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: about like 100+ years old nang mai here.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: We are talking
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: about the 100+ year old nangi tree. So I feel
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: like we open another can of worms. Oh no, right?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: What kind of lizards? No, no, no, no, not, not lizards.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about worms. Like, like, OK, imagine, ah, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: you know, A more country, they always got tree house, right?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: So imagine the tree house got one nangmai, then you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: cut half the tree, then you go be one. So technically, right.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You are, you're paying rent to the Nang Mai because
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you build a house on her house. So does it
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: give the Nang Mai, uh, is the right to haunt you?
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Is the nang mai the landlord?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, because she owns the tree.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You are just building on her. It's basically illegal building, ah, yeah, uh, what, what,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: what's that term out like squatters? We are the squatters.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: We are the squatters in the spirit realm. No, no,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: in the, in the, in the tree house in, in the,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: is it you build a tree house on a 100
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: year old tree. You are the squatter. We're worse than squatter.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You can call the cops. We deface their home and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: then go inside. You think who's the enforcer talking about
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: talking about cops. Yeah, I was about to, I was
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: about to go there like, hello, sir.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I was wondering, uh, like in their spirit realm, who's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: their law enforcer
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Kapia, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: can fly on, yeah, I can
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: fly the stand for police like, like, you know.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Like instead of woo, right, it's like, ah, you know, the, the,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the sound the whistle,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you heard what he said the P stands for
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: foolish.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Bro, you're making fun of them. I'm not making fun
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: of them. She's just right here. I'm not, you can.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I think she has a good enough sense of humor.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Fair enough sense of humor.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: OK, fine. I, uh, and 11 more thing is like
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: this table, right, has been with us for, I guess
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: 2 seasons
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: already, you know, you can count the, the, the age,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you will, you can know the age of
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like counting the, I think the width or something, right?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It rings, yeah. So this tree is pretty old.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: This is Singapore wood, I think. So, so I, I was,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if you make tables out of this
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: kind of old tree, does the spirit attach to it? Oh,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: my theory is no, because if the person cut down
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the tree and asked the spirit for permission, then they
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: would let the person cut down the tree. If they,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: assuming they give permission, if they did not ask permission
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: or the illegal logging, correct, then the, the person who
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: cut down the tree will not the table.
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  Speaker 1: OK, but how do you even check? Like, how to
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  Speaker 1: know whether this one got permission or no permission?
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Bro, Singapore, you want to cut down a tree, it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: not that simple, bro. We got a lot of rules
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  Speaker 2: and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: regulations.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: You say this one Singapore, right? Yeah, yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: yeah,
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  Speaker 2: allegedly la. We don't know lah. We buy one, buy one,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: you don't know
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: lah. In every episode, we have a question for everyone
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: here and those watching at home. For this episode, I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: would like to know if you could possess anything.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: What object would you choose? I know I want to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: possess a smartphone.
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  Speaker 2: Why you want
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: to possess smartphone?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Because I can hack the smartphone. I can know all
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: your PayN password, all your digital banking, all your like.
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  Speaker 1: X password, FB password, TT password.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not just one smartphone you can only pick one.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I would say. OK,
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  Speaker 2: but whose
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: name Elon Musk I'm pretty sure a lot of BTC.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also secrets, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you never know, bro. Billionaire Warren Buffett. Warren Buffet also
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: can
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: buffet Warren
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Buffett Warren Buffett Warren Buffett or Warren Buffett also can
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: because like he confirmed no like I think this stock
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: is gonna go up, you know, can know the trade secrets.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Then I invest in that stock.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: My my answer is a bit more boring than yours,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: so I got to answer. The the normal answer is
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I will possess a very large bookshelf in a very
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: impressive library.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: You will possess
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: what? A very large bookshelf in a very impressive library.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: So all the books on there, but you can't read
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the book. You're just a bookshelf. still quite
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: cool, I think the least that you can do, right,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: is
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: worst case scenario, worst case scenario if I cannot read
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: the books, right.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I, I can appreciate a good bookshelf with the books
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: You can make the bookshelf fall low, then it will
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: become good book, book, book, book.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: He's about to get about you already, bro. My romantic
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: answer is if I die before my wife, I will
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: possess a wedding ring, a wedding ring, a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: wedding ring. Uh, so sweet. Ah, so romantic. Are you?
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: know he greedy. Ah, people give one answer. You give
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: one answer for himself, one answer for the wife. This guy,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be so sweet, la, bro.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bitter a bit can.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Am I see, I want to possess the wedding ring
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: so she can, she knows that I'm there for her.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: For
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: me, uh, I would like to possess the servers of
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Area 51. I want to know. I want to know
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like all the data. So I want to go into
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the servers and I want to know if there's.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Aliens, if there's anything ghosts, then, right, I will come
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: back on season 5 and I'll let you all know
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: whether I got ghosts or not. That is how you
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: steal steal glance. Sorry, that is how you glance. By
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the way, I'm a very happy individual. I will not
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: go disappear, but if I go disappear, you know why.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But let's say, let's say if you really hack the,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you possess the hack, possess you
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: guys, you guys we're very careful,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: um, if you possess the information, right, what if the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: creepy thing is they were researching about you.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: So you can see a lot of royal Kyle, you know,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: do this, this, all the details about your wife, about your,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: about your, your parents, your ancestors, or first,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: first of
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: all, I'll be like, wow, I didn't know I was
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: so important. Oh no,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: everyone, bro, you literally type the name and have everything. Also,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it's
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: every single person they have every single person. I'm like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Why am I surprised?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, right? All right. And now over to Kyle.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: With his hauntingly morbid fact of the day. In Bangkok, right,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: visitors are able to see red Fanta bottles surrounding small
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: ornate structures known as spirit houses found outside homes and businesses. Actually,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you can also see them in a more predominantly Thai
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: places like in Singapore like Golden Mile Complex or Golden
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Mile Tower. These spirit houses are home to guardian spirits
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: that protect your home or place of business. Offerings to
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: the spirit historically involve the use of human blood.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But in current times it has been replaced with more
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: humane alternatives. Ray Fanta are used in the place of
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: blood offerings with their bright red color symbolizing the life
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: force once represented by blood. This is not good for you, ah.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You drink too much, right, then later the diabetes. But
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: if you're a ghost.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. You already did. You already did the part
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: of diabetes, yeah. You already passed away. So yeah, but
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I've always, you know, as a kid I see that
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: they are like I don't think it tastes that great lah. Fanta. Yeah,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's fantastic, bro.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Are you trying to get a sponsorship? But if you
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: realize that it's very creepy, like it did either the altars,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the spirit houses, or like the kumanong statues, right, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you know, no ends on there.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Think about it. And in Singapore, you know, no answer. No, no,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: maybe
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: not
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: maybe
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the ghost is like.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Don't touch. Later I possess you. Can you possess an ant?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I was about to ask, you have to possess like
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the whole colony of ants.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: The end is man, I think you can possess. Yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah. Why are you trying to get tickets for Doomsday?
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: You know, ah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I actually, yeah, maybe I'm not observant, observant enough.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: You know, lah, but I feel like I got C
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: ends before la on the offerings.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like even the,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the things, no, I'm talking about the red
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Fantasta
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: they will open, put one straw, then put there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: No ends
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Don't talk about orange or like you know the fun
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: all this.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: No, you're talking about specifically talking about the Fanta.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Why? Or maybe the ants don't like it's like this
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: one is not good enough for us.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: If humans can put here, means they don't like it,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: means it's not nice. Thank you to all of you
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: for tuning into Tales from Incredible Tales. New episodes go
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: online every week on MeWatch, me, Listen, YouTube, Spotify and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: My name is Fur.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time. Tales from Incredible Tales
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Rui, and Kyle Ong,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: directed and produced by Kyle Ong, written by Pear Lin Kee,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Assistant Director, Chin Chin Wei, director of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Chan, Art Director, Jolen.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Lim, sound recordings, Audrey Lee. Behind the scenes footage shot
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: by Ella May Walker, Hair and makeup by Bino Lim.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Production assistance, Aishwarani Durias Singam, Ella May Walker. Post-production by
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Fudge Studios. Assistant editor, Ella May Walker. Motion graphics by
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Jolene Lim.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Camera support by Nikon Singapore, lighting support by Amaan, smoke
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: support by PMI gear, monitor support by Desview and DC
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Pro Private Limited. Special thanks to Danny Kurdy from MIICorp.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Tales from Incredible Tales is a production of Hantu and
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Media Corp. Follow the podcast on the Millicent app, Spotify,
• 39:40
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