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Speaker 1: Welcome into Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks, the Offseason Podcast Edition,
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Speaker 1: our first episode of this twenty twenty four off season
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Speaker 1: JP Shadwick, John Oser from the HOUNDAI Studios in Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: at the Miller Electric Center, Bucky Brooks and Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: plenty to come today, including in honor of Valentine's Day,
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Speaker 1: what you loved about the Jaguars last year? What broke
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Speaker 1: your heart? And how do they earn their way back
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Speaker 1: into your good graces? That's all coming up and yes,
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Speaker 1: off season priorities for the Jaguars organization. Bucky, good afternoon.
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Speaker 1: It's good to be back with you. How are you
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Speaker 1: good afternoon, my guys. Happy Valentine's Day to you guys.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to take on all of our loves
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Speaker 2: for the Jaguars season from last year.
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Speaker 3: But it's a new year, you know. I'm stand a Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl being in the book.
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Speaker 2: We can start focus, we can be optimistic that next
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Speaker 2: year is the year for the Jaguars to bounce back.
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Speaker 3: So I'm really excited for all of.
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Speaker 4: That and heavy Valentine's Day. Every Valentine's Day, Bucky tells
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Speaker 4: us what college players he loves for NFL media.
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Speaker 1: Right, Oh that's right. Yeah, it must have been that
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Speaker 1: time of year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's instead of getting his wife a Valentine's
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Speaker 4: Day gift, he does that.
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Speaker 3: I've heard.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure she enjoys that, right, Yeah, that's the gift.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Uh So it is mock draft season though, And I
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Speaker 1: saw that your first mock was out a little while back,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Tovandre Sweat from Texas to the Jaguars. That's your latest.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many you've already put in the
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Speaker 1: can on this, Like.
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Speaker 2: My gosh, we just ended the season. So yeah, that
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Speaker 2: is the one. That is the one.
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Speaker 3: We have one, right, I think ahead of the combine.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Devandre Sweat when you think about the Jags,
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Speaker 2: and obviously we had an up close and personal seat. Uh,
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Speaker 2: you need someone on the inside that can have this
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Speaker 2: team stop to run. Devondre Sweat is a massive man
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Speaker 2: on the interior. You talk about three hundred and sixty pounds,
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Speaker 2: being able to control it, being able to stop at command.
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Speaker 2: Double teams that allow of linebackers to run and chase,
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Speaker 2: and in the new scheme that will be featured, I
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Speaker 2: think that's going to be a big part of having
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Speaker 2: someone on the interior that can really command and dominate
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Speaker 2: double teams to allow the best players to run around
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Speaker 2: and make more plays.
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Speaker 4: I have a question for the scout just all right,
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Speaker 4: right out of the gate, And these are impossible questions
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Speaker 4: to answer because we're still two months from the draft.
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Speaker 4: Free agency hasn't started.
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Speaker 3: You know, the.
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Speaker 4: Conventional wisdom would say, how in the world do you
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Speaker 4: not figure out something with the offensive line with the draft?
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Speaker 4: But how does that work? From a planning perspective? If
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Speaker 4: you're a GM, do you eye the draft and say, hey,
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Speaker 4: I know I can get a starter, say they're looking
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Speaker 4: for a right tackley, you know? Or do you have
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Speaker 4: to sort of you know, you don't know who's going
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Speaker 4: to be there in the draft at seventeen, so it's
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Speaker 4: hard to plan for that eventuality. How does that work, Bucky?
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Speaker 4: How do you plan for that if you're a GM?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so I'm gonna say the words that everyone
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Speaker 2: loves to hate, but I'm.
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Speaker 3: Gonna say it anyway. You have to be prepared to
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Speaker 3: take the best player available. You got to take the VPA.
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Speaker 2: So what you want to do is you want to
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Speaker 2: scrimmage your thoughts and make sure that as you're stacking
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Speaker 2: the board and as you're looking at what is needed
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Speaker 2: based on what is signed doing free agency and those things,
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Speaker 2: you want to take the best player. And you want
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Speaker 2: to make sure that the players that are available at
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Speaker 2: seventeen that their grades, meaning their talent, their potential, the
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Speaker 2: way that you view them matches up with where you're
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Speaker 2: going to select them. The things that you don't want
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Speaker 2: to do is go into the draft saying that a.
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Speaker 2: At seventeen, we have to take an offensive lineman no
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Speaker 2: matter what, because then what happened is your reach for
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Speaker 2: player that is not worthy of being taken there, and
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Speaker 2: that disappointment will show up when you get to the
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Speaker 2: field and he's not able to do some of the
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Speaker 2: things that they pick at that point should.
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Speaker 3: Be to do.
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Speaker 4: Okay, but question and I firmly believe in that. At
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Speaker 4: the same time, you also get to that point and
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Speaker 4: you and you sort of know we really need like
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Speaker 4: last year they really needed a guy to start at
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Speaker 4: right tackle MH. So that's the conflict and that's the
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Speaker 4: great pushing pull, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that is the conflict.
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Speaker 2: And so what happens is, like like John, your thoughts
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Speaker 2: filter in, can filter in sometimes to the evaluation process.
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Speaker 3: Right, So when you're the.
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Speaker 2: Decision maker and you're looking at the draft and you're
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Speaker 2: looking at tape well aware that your team needs a
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Speaker 2: right tackle, sometimes when you evaluate the position, you might
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Speaker 2: be a little more lenient when it comes to the grating.
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Speaker 2: And the danger in that is when you kind of
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Speaker 2: are swayed by what you need. You can overdraft a player,
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Speaker 2: you can talk, Yeah, you talk yourself into a player.
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Speaker 2: And what happens, particularly like with first round guys. So
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Speaker 2: when someone is drafted in the first round, and it
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter when they're taken in the first round, whether
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Speaker 2: they're taking number one, whether they're taking thirty two. When
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Speaker 2: you put the tag first round pick, everyone in the
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Speaker 2: stadium expects to see a certain level of performance from
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Speaker 2: that first rounder. So when he comes in as the
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Speaker 2: first round pick, regardless of where they say, hey, he
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Speaker 2: really was more like a second round, he's going to develop.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. The expectation is that he's going to
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Speaker 2: be a dominant player. Because your first round picks have
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Speaker 2: to be started, and more than being started, they need
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Speaker 2: to be impact players. And so the danger in being
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Speaker 2: influenced by need is that you overdraft somebody who can't
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Speaker 2: give you the impact that you know that you're eventually
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Speaker 2: gonna need at the position.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, John Ozer, JP Shadrick gets the Huddle Up
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Speaker 1: Podcast first of the offseason, and it is that time
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Speaker 1: of year when your top five position rankings come out
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Speaker 1: for all positions in the draft. When does that happen?
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Speaker 1: That should be soon, right Buck.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about the It should drop momentarily today or tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: You kind of see it.
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Speaker 2: Then you see all this stuff running on the ticker
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Speaker 2: on NFL Network, and it just kind of run, I
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Speaker 2: mean to infinity, it seems like until I'm able to
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Speaker 2: do another one sometime in the middle of March.
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Speaker 4: That's when people, when you're out hate.
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Speaker 3: They get really upset. They you're really upset about it.
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Speaker 2: They get upset about They get upset more about mock
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Speaker 2: drafts than top fives. But boy, there is nothing that
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Speaker 2: says people off than a mock draft where you don't
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Speaker 2: put like a little sexy position in at this last
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Speaker 2: even though we haven't even got a free agency had
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Speaker 2: done any of that stuff yet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's kind of an odd time to have
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Speaker 1: that happen because you don't know the path for some
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Speaker 1: of these organizations. We'll hear from Trent Balky coming up
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Speaker 1: in just a little bit and get some of his
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Speaker 1: thoughts from his press conference in late January on some
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Speaker 1: of the key things that Jaguars have to get done
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Speaker 1: before they even get to the NFL Draft. That's a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. And by the way, happy birthday to
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Speaker 1: Trent Balky on this Valentine's Day. He's sixty years old today,
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Speaker 1: and jagg's associate producer David cho who is not sixty
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Speaker 1: years old today as well, So happy birthday of those
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Speaker 1: of those guys. And in honor of Valentine's Day, I
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Speaker 1: thought we'd talk a little love. What did you love
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Speaker 1: about the Jaguars in twenty twenty three? What broke your
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Speaker 1: heart about the Jags?
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Speaker 3: And how do.
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Speaker 1: They earn their way back into your good graces?
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Speaker 4: Do you think, John, Well, my senses will all be
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Speaker 4: around the same areas on all these but you know,
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Speaker 4: I loved really both edge players and Josh Allen, Trayvon
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Speaker 4: Walker hard to say that either of them weren't at
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Speaker 4: a high level this year. What broke your heart obviously
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Speaker 4: the end of the season. I mean it's I'm not
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Speaker 4: sure I've ever been around a team where eight and
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Speaker 4: three and you felt like everything was going in the
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Speaker 4: right direction. I never thought they were the best team
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Speaker 4: in the AFC, but I thought they were a team
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Speaker 4: that was going to have a real chance to be
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Speaker 4: in the final eight, with a chance to flip the
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Speaker 4: coin and see what happens next. And then all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden you're out of it and you feel like
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Speaker 4: the world's coming to an end. I as Doug Peterson said,
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Speaker 4: that season collapse is the only way to put it.
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Speaker 4: So the specifics in that are many, but overall, that
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Speaker 4: was it. What gives you hope, I don't know, give
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Speaker 4: me a minute.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm with you on the edge Rushers, those are
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Speaker 1: those guys performances really stood out, certainly Josh Allen in
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Speaker 1: a contract year, and then Trayvon Walker improving as it
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Speaker 1: went along. Bucky that's how can you not love what
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Speaker 1: those guys put together? And then the worst collapse in
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Speaker 1: Jaguars history. It's hard to avoid that one. Losing five
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Speaker 1: of the last six after an eight and three start.
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Speaker 2: Buck Yeah, So what I love about it is gonna
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Speaker 2: sound because I've been critical about him throughout the season.
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Speaker 2: But what I loved is seeing Trevor lawrence toughness over
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Speaker 2: the course of the season, regardless of what the results
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Speaker 2: look like. I appreciate the fact that the franchise quarterback
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Speaker 2: showed up each and every week, with the exception of
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Speaker 2: not being able to play one game. When you're the
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Speaker 2: franchise quarterback, the expectations that you always take the ball,
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Speaker 2: and he did that despite a series of injuries and
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Speaker 2: those things.
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Speaker 3: He showed up.
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Speaker 2: Now, the play wasn't what you wanted to see from
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Speaker 2: your QB one down the stretch, but I think a
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Speaker 2: lot of that was due to the injuries, because there's
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Speaker 2: a significant fall off from when he was healthy to
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Speaker 2: when he was injured in terms of the numbers and
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Speaker 2: all of that. But I think everyone in the building
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Speaker 2: can appreciate and respect his greediness, and so that's something
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Speaker 2: that you can build upon. We can work through some
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Speaker 2: of the management issues and some of the turnal was those.
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Speaker 3: Things are correctable.
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Speaker 2: What I didn't like was the overall inconsistency from a
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Speaker 2: team that should have been a playoff team. I just
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Speaker 2: didn't like the up and down roller coaster that this
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Speaker 2: team went on, despite turning the entire team from a
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Speaker 2: season ago that went to the playoffs and won a
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Speaker 2: playoff game, and then I can't understand some of the
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Speaker 2: lack of urgency, some of the lack of attention to detail,
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Speaker 2: even some of the lack of accountability amongst the players
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Speaker 2: when it came to executing the plan and what the
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Speaker 2: coaches were asking to do. So to me, that was
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Speaker 2: disturbing and why I'm optimistic and hopeful. I think I'm
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Speaker 2: optimistic because when I looked at the Kansas City Chiefs
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Speaker 2: win a title, I'm fully aware that that was a
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Speaker 2: flawed team that won a title.
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Speaker 3: They didn't have everything together.
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Speaker 2: They struggled on the edges offensively, their wide receivers were
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Speaker 2: just pedestrian. But because of the quarterback and because of
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Speaker 2: like a really improved defense, they were able to get
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Speaker 2: it done. I am optimistic that despite the flaws that
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars may have by the time the season kicks off,
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Speaker 2: you still can get it done if your quarterback is
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Speaker 2: in the right headspace and is able to play at
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Speaker 2: a high level, and then the supporting players stepped their
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Speaker 2: game up.
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Speaker 3: Enough done.
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Speaker 2: I just think that it's not necessarily the best team
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Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl is the team that kind
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Speaker 2: of finds a way to understand their identity and always
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Speaker 2: play to their identity.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm growing as I get further away from the season.
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Speaker 4: I am growing and optimism about Trevor Lawrence. And by
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Speaker 4: that I mean this when you were looking at it
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Speaker 4: sort of in real time every week JP, and you
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Speaker 4: saw the turnovers, the struggling late in the season, you
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Speaker 4: couldn't help but sort of wonder what's going on? You know,
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Speaker 4: this does not look like a franchise quarterback. But then
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Speaker 4: when you sort of step back in JP, you see
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Speaker 4: me right in a million times. Before the injury, this
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Speaker 4: team had had been thirteen and three and fourteen and four.
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Speaker 4: Say the injury, I mean the high innkel spraining at
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Speaker 4: Cincinnati went after that, he was out of games three
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Speaker 4: the last five games he started he left with injuries
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Speaker 4: thirteen and three, fourteen and four As a team before that,
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Speaker 4: and his touchdown interception ratio during that span, I forget
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Speaker 4: the exact number, but it's something around twenty nine to nine.
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Speaker 3: I mean it.
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Speaker 1: That winning football.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, as much as you say, well, you've got to
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Speaker 4: play through injuries, saying you had to play through injuries
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Speaker 4: and actually being the guy who's dealing with how that
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Speaker 4: affects whatever you're doing is different to me. Those numbers.
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Speaker 4: I get that there are nuances in this conversation, but Bucky,
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Speaker 4: to me, those numbers stand out. You can't deny that
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Speaker 4: he was playing very well, even against Cincinnati in that
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Speaker 4: game before you got hurt, playing very well, and the
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Speaker 4: eye test told you he was going to lead you
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Speaker 4: to a victory in that game. And then all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden without Christian Kirk late and with Trevor hurt.
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Speaker 4: I just I know injuries, there's something you had to
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Speaker 4: play through, but I can't help but think that that
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Speaker 4: had a major, major part of what happened.
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Speaker 3: Bucky.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I did have a major part of what happened,
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Speaker 2: And I think you point to it. There's something about
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Speaker 2: when you look at your team, you think about who
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Speaker 2: you are, but eventually you have to realize what you are.
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Speaker 2: And I think this year was a great discovery in
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Speaker 2: terms of what the Jaguars are as a team. What
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars are from my perspective on offense, their team
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Speaker 2: that have to operate inside out, meaning that when you
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Speaker 2: think about the way the offense is structured, thirteen and
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Speaker 2: seventeen are the focal points and everybody else are kind
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Speaker 2: of compliments to that, meaning Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram,
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Speaker 2: they're the gun are the ones that.
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Speaker 3: Kind of focused the offense.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that there's not a place for Calvin, really,
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that the offense is better when those
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Speaker 2: guys kind.
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Speaker 3: Of started, and then everything springs from that.
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Speaker 2: Defensively, I think the team just has to figure out
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Speaker 2: what their identity is, what they want to be, meaning
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Speaker 2: are they gonna be a pressure team that plays man demand,
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Speaker 2: are they gonna be a soft team.
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Speaker 3: Of being but don't break team. Whatever that decision is.
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Speaker 2: In terms of what the identity is going to be,
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Speaker 2: every thing has to be done with that in mind.
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Speaker 2: The way you build a team, the players that you require,
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Speaker 2: how you call the game as a defensive play caller,
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Speaker 2: how you call the game as an offensive play caller.
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Speaker 2: To complement that, everything has to be in lockstep. I
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Speaker 2: think sometimes you got to take a couple steps backwards
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Speaker 2: to go forwards. I think down the line, we may
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Speaker 2: look at this season as being a blessing in disguise.
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Speaker 2: It forces everybody into the building to confront the reality
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Speaker 2: of what the team is. And once you can confront
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Speaker 2: the reality and be honest with who we are and
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Speaker 2: what we're about, then you can build a team in
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Speaker 2: a manner in which it can go beyond what it's
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Speaker 2: been in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: And we'll begin maybe to hear a little bit of
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Speaker 1: about that vision on defense Thursday, when Ryan Nielsen, the
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, speaks to the media Thursday one thirty, it'll
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Speaker 1: be on Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars social media. We'll
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Speaker 1: see what he has to say if he puts a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of that out there, but you'll get the
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Speaker 1: first opportunity at least to hear from the DC himself.
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Speaker 1: Plenty ahead, we'll hear from general manager Trent Balkey and
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Speaker 1: his press conference at the end of January on some
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Speaker 1: Up with Bucky Brooks. Welcome back. It's Huddle Up the
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Speaker 1: Offseason podcast edition. The first episode of this twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four offseason JP Shadwick, John Oser, and Jacksonville Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: All right, So the off season Priority List Number one
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Speaker 1: fill out the coaching staff. That hasn't been officially announced yet.
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Speaker 1: We'll hear from the defensive coordinator this week. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the changes on that side of the football franchise
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Speaker 1: tag window February twentieth through March fifth. There could be
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Speaker 1: some activity there for the Jaguars, of course, pending free agents.
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Speaker 1: There's some big names there. The combine at the end
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Speaker 1: of February. The league year begins March thirteenth at four pm,
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Speaker 1: and then the offseason program April fifteenth, and the draft
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Speaker 1: at the end of April. That's the basic order of
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Speaker 1: operations moving ahead. Now, I mean priority number one. There's
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Speaker 1: some they're all priorities, but this is bigger than most.
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen is priority number one and this offseason has
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Speaker 1: to be right with the what he has coming up
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Speaker 1: and coming off the season he had. You know, what
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Speaker 1: is the approach for the Jaguars for Josh Allen the
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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Trim Balkey was asked about that in his
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Speaker 1: press conference at the end of January, just a few
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Will Josh Allen be here one way or another?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh will be a Jaguar.
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Speaker 5: Okay, how close are you to getting a deal done
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Speaker 5: with him.
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Speaker 6: Very far, haven't started, haven't started. Those negotiations will start.
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Speaker 5: And those can be a deal like that. Can it
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Speaker 5: happen pretty quick? Obviously have some time before the tag
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Speaker 5: dead line?
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Speaker 3: So it is there.
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Speaker 5: Are you still involved in a comfortable timeline for getting
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Speaker 5: in your opinion?
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Speaker 6: You know, I'd love to say yes, I knows wants.
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Speaker 3: To be here.
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Speaker 6: I know we want them here, you know, can we
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Speaker 6: come to a number that works for everybody? That's the
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Speaker 6: key and I respect that. It's like I said last
18:08
Speaker 6: year with Evans situation, you got to respect these guys
18:12
Speaker 6: that put themselves in this position. They work hard, they
18:15
Speaker 6: deserve to make good money. What that good means to
18:19
Speaker 6: them is could be different than what it means to us.
18:21
Speaker 6: So we just got to come together, sit down at
18:24
Speaker 6: the table and work things out.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: That's Trent Balky, of course, Jaguars general manager in late January.
18:31
Speaker 1: It is now mid February. So I'm going to ask
18:35
Speaker 1: the GM, Bucky Brooks, where should this be standing right
18:39
Speaker 1: now in terms of a negotiation with a month ago
18:42
Speaker 1: until the start of the league year.
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Speaker 2: I mean, ideally you would want to have those conversations
18:47
Speaker 2: going on, but you know, depending on Balky's philosophy when
18:51
Speaker 2: it comes to negotiating with players, he may well have
18:54
Speaker 2: a thing where, hey, I just want to wait down
18:55
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl, get all that done, and then
18:57
Speaker 2: we'll start attacking next year's business. And so hopefully those
19:00
Speaker 2: conversations will happen in the next week or two and
19:03
Speaker 2: then you know, you got to scrimmage it out. The
19:04
Speaker 2: one thing that you have, if you're Tran Balki, you
19:06
Speaker 2: have the franchise tag in the back pocket, so you
19:08
Speaker 2: know he's not going anywhere. Then it's a matter of
19:11
Speaker 2: how do you want to negotiate off of the tag.
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Speaker 3: Do you want to.
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Speaker 2: Secure the tag and maybe take it all the way
19:18
Speaker 2: down to the end, or do you want to see
19:20
Speaker 2: if there's a way that you can get this done
19:22
Speaker 2: so you can fit the rest of the pieces of
19:23
Speaker 2: the puzzle around the contract that's going to be there
19:26
Speaker 2: a lot to consider it. But what you want to
19:28
Speaker 2: do is you want to weigh Josh Allen's contract against
19:31
Speaker 2: the other things that you have on the horizon and
19:34
Speaker 2: what makes the most sense, what's the best approach when
19:38
Speaker 2: it comes to building the team out the way that
19:40
Speaker 2: you want to build it.
19:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been a lot of brew haha, if you
19:43
Speaker 4: will over whether they didn't talked to him yet, et cetera.
19:48
Speaker 4: My thought on this bucking and see if this jives
19:50
Speaker 4: with your experience, which means your thoughts matter more than mine.
19:56
Speaker 4: Deadlines tend to make deals in this situation, so when
20:01
Speaker 4: you start doesn't seem to me quite as important as
20:06
Speaker 4: the urgency that the conversations are having once you start.
20:11
Speaker 4: If they haven't started yet, there's still plenty of time
20:14
Speaker 4: as long as both sides are serious, and so much
20:16
Speaker 4: gets done in the last couple of days on these things.
20:19
Speaker 4: You know, facts is going back and forth in the
20:21
Speaker 4: old days. But I mean the right ballpark on that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
20:28
Speaker 2: I think deadline is definitely matt It also matters who
20:32
Speaker 2: are the two parties that are negotiating many How.
20:34
Speaker 3: Does the agent normally conduct business?
20:36
Speaker 2: How does train balk you normally conduct business when it
20:38
Speaker 2: comes to doing those big deals. Is there a history
20:41
Speaker 2: of a the Jaguars always do deals at the last minute,
20:45
Speaker 2: or no, they try and get them done early so
20:47
Speaker 2: they can put it away and everyone can focus on
20:49
Speaker 2: the other things. The other part of this, and it's
20:52
Speaker 2: indirectly related to Josh Allen would be the Calvin Ridley
20:56
Speaker 2: contract situation. So you have two players in one tag.
20:59
Speaker 2: You know that you can use the franchise tag on
21:02
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. So does that mean that, hey, let's attack
21:04
Speaker 2: this Calvin Ridley thing early, whether we're gonna keep them,
21:07
Speaker 2: whether we're not gonna keep them, figure out the compensation
21:09
Speaker 2: that Atlanta Falcons are going to go back, so you
21:12
Speaker 2: can kind of plan out your offseason as it relates
21:14
Speaker 2: to the draft. Or is this a situation where you
21:18
Speaker 2: have the initial conversation with Josh Allen, you determine whether
21:22
Speaker 2: you think a deal can be done, and then you
21:24
Speaker 2: can use the franchise tag elsewhere. So there are a
21:27
Speaker 2: few things that are going on at the same time,
21:30
Speaker 2: and so how you juggle those conversations ultimately determine how
21:34
Speaker 2: the path is going to be used going forward.
21:37
Speaker 1: And let's move right along to the Calvin Ridley part
21:39
Speaker 1: of this thing. Trent Balkey in late January on the
21:42
Speaker 1: wide receiver.
21:43
Speaker 6: Calvin did some awfully good things.
21:45
Speaker 3: I love Calvin Ridley.
21:46
Speaker 6: He's he's all ball. Are you guys in Gales that
21:49
Speaker 6: were able to see it practice? I mean, he loves
21:52
Speaker 6: he loves to practice, he loves to play, he loves
21:55
Speaker 6: the game. You know, when you bring somebody in that
21:57
Speaker 6: hasn't been a part of football for over a year
21:59
Speaker 6: and half, you gotta knock the rust off. And he
22:03
Speaker 6: did that, and then at times he showed exactly who
22:06
Speaker 6: he was, who he used, who he was, who he
22:09
Speaker 6: can be, and the sky's the limit. He's only gonna
22:11
Speaker 6: get better because of the way he works. You know,
22:14
Speaker 6: when you love something as much as he loves football,
22:17
Speaker 6: you can't help but get better. So we would love
22:20
Speaker 6: to have Calvin back. You know, we're gonna work toward that.
22:24
Speaker 3: What that means, I don't know right now.
22:26
Speaker 1: That was, of course, in late January the Jaguars GM and.
22:29
Speaker 2: Hey, I mean, look, I'm pro Jaguar was there. But
22:36
Speaker 2: it doesn't take a lot to interpret the two different
22:39
Speaker 2: conversations that we just had within the last ten minutes
22:42
Speaker 2: on the pot. So we had one where, hey, you know,
22:45
Speaker 2: doesn't We'll see what happens. Man, I love the guy.
22:47
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring it back. We've gotta figure out how
22:48
Speaker 2: it is. Here's what I can guarantee. Both of those
22:51
Speaker 2: guys are gonna be on the team next year. I
22:53
Speaker 2: don't know what it looks like, but both of those
22:55
Speaker 2: guys are gonna be around. Calvin Rivery's gonna get a contract.
22:57
Speaker 2: We will see what the contract looks like with Josh.
23:00
Speaker 3: But when you hear love the future is right. He's better,
23:03
Speaker 3: He's awesome. All those look the verbal bouquets that Calvin
23:07
Speaker 3: really got.
23:08
Speaker 2: Calvin really, I mean, I'm sure you already has the
23:10
Speaker 2: house in Jacksonville, but he doesn't have to put up
23:12
Speaker 2: the for sales sign.
23:12
Speaker 3: He's gonna be around.
23:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope you're right to me, though, Bucky. With Calvin,
23:20
Speaker 4: something has to get done before the tag. I mean yeah,
23:23
Speaker 4: I mean before the league year. And I don't know
23:27
Speaker 4: how to still play out, but most guys, you can't
23:32
Speaker 4: wait until free agency hits because once they get once
23:37
Speaker 4: they go out there, they usually don't come back. Right,
23:40
Speaker 4: So I don't know. Maybe you're a little more confident
23:43
Speaker 4: than I am on.
23:44
Speaker 1: This front, right, And you know, if they resign up
23:46
Speaker 1: before the league year, then they have to give up
23:48
Speaker 1: the second round.
23:49
Speaker 4: Pick yeah to the Falcons, which I kinda I don't know.
23:53
Speaker 4: It feels like moving parts on this one. And there's
23:56
Speaker 4: so much going on with all of them that it's
23:58
Speaker 4: even hard to to have a bullet pointed conversation of well,
24:02
Speaker 4: if then, if then, because so many things depend on
24:04
Speaker 4: so many other things. But you know, I I hope
24:09
Speaker 4: you're right because to me, if you lose Calvin Ridley's
24:13
Speaker 4: eight touchdowns and thousand yards, you're trying to replace them
24:16
Speaker 4: as soon as he walks out the door.
24:18
Speaker 2: You are, and you're trying to do it with a
24:20
Speaker 2: younger player. And like, just based on recent history, younger
24:23
Speaker 2: players have had a tougher time coming in making an
24:25
Speaker 2: immediate impact, particularly at that position. As it relates to
24:30
Speaker 2: when do you sign them, Like I know it's the
24:32
Speaker 2: conditional second or third round pick based on when you
24:35
Speaker 2: sign him.
24:36
Speaker 3: The thing is you don't want to get too cute
24:39
Speaker 3: with that.
24:39
Speaker 2: So even though we're talking about, oh man, you're giving
24:42
Speaker 2: up a second round pick if you sign him before then,
24:44
Speaker 2: A lot of it depends on the conversation and when
24:46
Speaker 2: you're going to do it. But maybe there's a wink
24:50
Speaker 2: not agreement that you can come to that happens after
24:53
Speaker 2: the league year, you know.
24:55
Speaker 3: True, Yeah, but it's risky.
24:58
Speaker 4: This a week not agreement. I was a five million
25:01
Speaker 4: more maybe five bills so then.
25:06
Speaker 2: So then what you have to do is you have
25:07
Speaker 2: to look at it without knowing how the Jaguars, like,
25:10
Speaker 2: I don't know the Dragon Jaguars picks right off hand.
25:13
Speaker 3: But so if you're worried about giving up a number.
25:16
Speaker 2: Two, if you have multiple threes, you can trade back
25:19
Speaker 2: to get that two.
25:20
Speaker 3: Back, you know.
25:21
Speaker 2: So there's ways to kind of work around it without
25:24
Speaker 2: necessarily panicking over the second round pick. And then the
25:27
Speaker 2: other thing would be, let's look at the history of
25:30
Speaker 2: second round picks for the team. How successful have we
25:33
Speaker 2: been in terms of bringing in second round picks that
25:35
Speaker 2: have come in and made an immediate impact. If you're
25:37
Speaker 2: looking at Calvin Ridley his thousand yards and eight touchdowns
25:40
Speaker 2: versus what the history is showing of a second round pick,
25:43
Speaker 2: then you don't worry about the second round pick as much.
25:47
Speaker 3: A second round pick.
25:48
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, he was. By the way, it all
25:51
Speaker 1: comes full circle. We mentioned Rod Stewart earlier, We mentioned
25:54
Speaker 1: nods and winks, but not is as good as a
25:57
Speaker 1: wink to a blind horse. The old faces out of them,
26:01
Speaker 1: how about that?
26:02
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we're digging deep, little, Yes, yes we are faces.
26:06
Speaker 3: Yet he was big. He still is. I think in fact.
26:11
Speaker 1: All right, so let's finish with this today, guys. Tomorrow
26:14
Speaker 1: the Defensive Coordinator one thirty Thursday, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars
26:19
Speaker 1: Social Media, Ryan Nielsen will visit with the media. So
26:23
Speaker 1: what's the one thing you want to hear, Bucky from
26:25
Speaker 1: the DC tomorrow?
26:27
Speaker 2: I want to hear about philosophy, style of play. Uh
26:31
Speaker 2: if you could just uh tell me in a way
26:34
Speaker 2: where I can get excited, where I close my eyes
26:35
Speaker 2: and envision how the Jaguars gonna play on defense, That's
26:38
Speaker 2: something that you can carry into it because the optimism would.
26:41
Speaker 3: Be filled also in the building.
26:42
Speaker 2: As much as we as fans and observers are listening
26:45
Speaker 2: to what he's saying, players are also paying close attention
26:49
Speaker 2: to what he says in terms about salad play, how
26:51
Speaker 2: we're gonna get about it, what we do, going about
26:54
Speaker 2: their business, and all that other stuff. So I'm I'm
26:56
Speaker 2: really excited to see how he kind of presents it,
26:59
Speaker 2: how he puts it there, and if someone can kind
27:02
Speaker 2: of pull them on the role of some of the assistants,
27:04
Speaker 2: because the player who the assistant coach, who I think
27:08
Speaker 2: has a lot of influence in terms of how the
27:11
Speaker 2: jack West can get better would be christ rah Shard
27:13
Speaker 2: in the secondary. His ability to kind of get better
27:16
Speaker 2: performance out of that back end can ultimately help Ryan
27:21
Speaker 2: Nilson determine how aggressive he can be up front.
27:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you want to know within within reasons,
27:30
Speaker 4: some specifics and how they're going to play. I think
27:33
Speaker 4: one thing he'll say is, boy'd love to have Josh Allen,
27:38
Speaker 4: you know. So, I mean Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen
27:43
Speaker 4: are are impact players that you can build around. And
27:48
Speaker 4: I think I'd like to hear a little bit of
27:51
Speaker 4: you know, what are your thoughts on Devin Lloyd. I mean,
27:53
Speaker 4: this is a guy who didn't play that well last year.
27:56
Speaker 4: I didn't think he's a first round talent. Andre Cisco's
28:02
Speaker 4: a big time talented times Tyson Campbell. There are some
28:06
Speaker 4: talented guys on this team that for whatever reason, Tyson
28:11
Speaker 4: I think was mostly injury. But you know, there's I
28:17
Speaker 4: would say blue chip but guys that you expect can
28:21
Speaker 4: be playmakers and make a defense really really good. That
28:26
Speaker 4: the defense wasn't really really good at the end of
28:27
Speaker 4: last year. So how are some of these guys? How
28:30
Speaker 4: do some of these guys fit in what you're doing?
28:32
Speaker 2: Right, But yeah, and I think that the main thing
28:36
Speaker 2: I would love to hear someone ask him to compare
28:39
Speaker 2: some of the current Jaguars to some of the players
28:42
Speaker 2: that he's coached in the past down.
28:43
Speaker 3: In New Orleans.
28:44
Speaker 2: So is there a reasonable playing style comparison between Trayvon
28:50
Speaker 2: Walk and maybe Cam Jordan. Do you think that Tyson
28:53
Speaker 2: Campbell can do some of the things that marsh Down
28:55
Speaker 2: Lattimore was able to do in New Orleans when you
28:57
Speaker 2: guys were down there not only for him, but by
28:59
Speaker 2: Christopher Shark, Devin Lloyd.
29:01
Speaker 3: Where does he fit?
29:02
Speaker 2: Is he a guy that is a true off ball linebacker?
29:04
Speaker 2: Are there ways to utilize him coming off the edge
29:07
Speaker 2: like he did at Utah? There there are pieces that
29:11
Speaker 2: are there for the Jaguars, And we've said it like
29:14
Speaker 2: time and time again, it's about putting those guys in
29:16
Speaker 2: a position.
29:17
Speaker 3: Where they can do what they do really well.
29:19
Speaker 2: So the philosophy and just how it all matches up
29:22
Speaker 2: to me, That's that's the big part of the conversation
29:24
Speaker 2: that I want to hear.
29:26
Speaker 1: All right, episode one in the books, We'll do this
29:28
Speaker 1: shop butch and every Wednesday on the Official Jaguars podcast
29:32
Speaker 1: network in the afternoons and in a couple of weeks, Bucky,
29:35
Speaker 1: we will see you at the Combine and Indian person
29:38
Speaker 1: all the shrimp cocktail.
29:39
Speaker 3: You could shake a stick out, man. It should be
29:42
Speaker 3: a lot of fun.
29:43
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing John or should just run
29:45
Speaker 2: around the King of the Combine himself.
29:47
Speaker 3: Just see and it's like doing King of the Combine.
29:52
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see all of that, So it should
29:55
Speaker 2: be fun.
29:56
Speaker 4: Maybe by then we'll see Mark draft two point zero
29:58
Speaker 4: on the crawling. It's been one point oh for like
30:01
Speaker 4: six weeks. It feels maybe every time I'm in a
30:04
Speaker 4: sports bar, Bucky Brooks one point.
30:06
Speaker 1: The problem is that Bucky's already done it, and he's
30:08
Speaker 1: forgotten who he's put in it because he did it
30:10
Speaker 1: so long ago. They just haven't read.
30:11
Speaker 2: I can't remember, Yeah, I can't remember, like brand new
30:14
Speaker 2: names and all kinds of stuff. I'll be putting guys
30:16
Speaker 2: that are still playing in college back.
30:18
Speaker 3: Into my graph.
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Speaker 1: You know, Bucky will talk to you again next week.
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Speaker 1: It's by Brooks out of here from the NFL Network,
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30:30
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