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$HBAR Bullish vs Bearish Outlook🔥w/ Hedera Forum · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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Speaker 1: a lot in the way of really kind of overviews
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Speaker 1: on what Hadera is up to around the project itself
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Speaker 1: in general.
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Speaker 2: How long?
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Speaker 1: First of all, how long have you been covering Hadera specifically?
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Speaker 4: So, I think my first video out on Hidera wasn't
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Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, the end of twenty eighteen, before the main
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Speaker 4: net actually launched. It goes back a while, but I've
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Speaker 4: been doing it full time since twenty twenty two. Number One,
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Speaker 4: I cover our DeFi ecosystem. I have something where I
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Speaker 4: specifically cover different projects, something called the built on Hidera Series,
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Speaker 4: And then every Friday I cover everything that's going on
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Speaker 4: in the ecosystem, just with a general update, a one
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Speaker 4: stop shop for anybody that's interesting in what happened.
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Speaker 3: Interested in what's happening?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think you know, Hadera kind of came out
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Speaker 1: of the scene in the last Bowl run. We saw
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Speaker 1: quite a few people starting to talk about it as
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Speaker 1: one of the major all coins, but it didn't really
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Speaker 1: get rolling. We started interviewing mans Harmon several years ago
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Speaker 1: and we were very impressed with kind of the vision
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Speaker 1: of what Hadera was trying to promise. And I think
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Speaker 1: that's the big issue that we're seeing right now is
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that we want to cover.
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Speaker 1: One question I have is in reference to the Governance
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Speaker 1: Council and the fact that it might shrink. This is
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Speaker 1: something I did not know, and that is there's term
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Speaker 1: limits on these.
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Speaker 2: I think it's like a three year term or something.
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Speaker 1: So here pretty soon we're going to see a lot
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Speaker 1: of these governance councils either exit or can they re up?
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Speaker 2: What is the process there?
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Speaker 4: So the way it works is you're right, it is
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Speaker 4: a three year term, but they can reup once, so
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Speaker 4: it's up to six years. There is going to be
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Speaker 4: some that are going to be rolling off towards the
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Speaker 4: end of this year. I talk regularly with one of
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Speaker 4: the h Derek Governing Council representatives, Rob Allen. He's from
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Speaker 4: Australian Payments Plus they're the payments processor out of Australia
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Speaker 4: and so he has the inside track, and he actually
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Speaker 4: thinks we're going to fill the council by the end
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Speaker 4: of the year, and the end of this year is
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Speaker 4: when we're actually going to start to see them roll off,
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Speaker 4: So we should fill the council. Right now, we're at
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Speaker 4: thirty get up to thirty nine by the end of
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Speaker 4: the year. Have I think nine are supposed to roll off,
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Speaker 4: and I think right around that same time we're probably
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Speaker 4: going to have a few additional ones add on. So
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Speaker 4: right now at thirty I think we are at critical mass.
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Speaker 4: We have the necessary expertise and a nice diversification both
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Speaker 4: in different sectors and different geographies to have good coverage
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Speaker 4: and be able to manage and govern this network appropriately.
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Speaker 1: So here's something that you know, we've been kind of
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Speaker 1: chatting about within our research team is why not just
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Speaker 1: open this up to an unlimited number. Has there ever
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Speaker 1: been any discussion about that.
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Speaker 4: There has been some discussion around it. I think it's
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Speaker 4: because when you're managing something like this and trying to
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Speaker 4: get people to vote and moving something in a way
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Speaker 4: that you want to make sure it stays efficient. You
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Speaker 4: don't want it to become two unwieldy. So thirty nine
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Speaker 4: was a random number. I think that could change in
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Speaker 4: the future. But just because you're not part of the
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Speaker 4: governing council, you just take one three year term off
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Speaker 4: and you could come right back on the council after that.
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Speaker 4: But they did want to have, you know, diversification, not
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Speaker 4: just in sector and geography, but they also wanted diversification
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Speaker 4: over time and something, you know, people being able to
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Speaker 4: roll off over time. But I do think that, you know,
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Speaker 4: going forward, it's going to be important to continue to
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Speaker 4: have new and different council members come on and off.
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Speaker 4: I think they've done a great job. They've focused on
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Speaker 4: governance because they saw that that was an issue with
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Speaker 4: a lot of these dlts in the past.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, who's going to be number thirty one? Right here?
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Speaker 2: We're setting on it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've had you've got Google in here, Dell's
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Speaker 1: in here, Bitgo, a lot of recognized names, LG on
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Speaker 1: that side, even got a you know, a manufacturer in Mondolies.
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Speaker 2: What about number thirty one?
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Speaker 3: Any announcements, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 4: I don't have any inside information on who might be next,
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Speaker 4: but I would like to see an auto manufacturer, and
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Speaker 4: I would like to see an energy company. We have EDF,
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Speaker 4: but they're more of an electricity provider, not an energy company.
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Speaker 4: So those two I would really like to see at it.
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Speaker 1: Last time I was on with Man, you know, we
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Speaker 1: were looking at the potential of IP and being able
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Speaker 1: to basically utilize the blockchain for filmmakers, etc. And obviously
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Speaker 1: if you think about Netflix, someone like that would be
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Speaker 1: just perfect, especially as you guys are and when I
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Speaker 1: say you guys, Hadera as getting into what appears to
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Speaker 1: be some interesting entertainment areas. One is going to be
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Speaker 1: Karate Combat, which is a Hadera based platform. I guess
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that in a second. But
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Speaker 1: when you look at one of the things that could
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Speaker 1: apply to Hadera as well as the rest of the market,
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Speaker 1: and that is tariffs, do you feel like this is
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Speaker 1: going to be anything that's going to impact Hadera in general?
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Speaker 1: This of course came from Hendera's x account. You can
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Speaker 1: kind of see in Vidia and Intel obviously all being
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Speaker 1: affected here. Those also are being affected by in general tariffs.
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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts there.
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Speaker 1: Is that something that you know in video would benefit
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Speaker 1: most from What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, so in Nvidia and Intel are using
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Speaker 4: Hydera through a team called Equity Lab. It's all around AI,
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Speaker 4: and what they're trying to do is track the provenance
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Speaker 4: of data that's going into these large language models, making
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Speaker 4: sure that providence of information is tracked, and dlts are
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Speaker 4: a perfect place to do that. They're actually going to
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Speaker 4: be embedding Hydera technology directly into Nvidia and Intel chips.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is mind blowing stuff, but Hidera really
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Speaker 4: is leading in that space. So we have this one
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Speaker 4: integration with in Nvidia and Intel. We also have proove AI,
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Speaker 4: which came over from Casper. Actually the core team from
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Speaker 4: Casper Labs rebranded to prove AI and they're actually going
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Speaker 4: to be building on top of Hydera. It's difficult to
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Speaker 4: also run a network, a blockchain and also do something else,
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Speaker 4: and prove AI is there something else, So they've left
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Speaker 4: the Casper blockchain. They're going to build it on top
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Speaker 4: of Hydera and I'm excited to see what they're going
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Speaker 4: to come out with. And then standards just came out
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Speaker 4: around AI as well on Hydera by a team called
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Speaker 4: hashgraf Online. But these standards are really important. They're going
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Speaker 4: to allow agents to interact with other agents, agents to
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Speaker 4: interact with users and so forth. And it's not just
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Speaker 4: communication but also transfer of value. It's really going to
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Speaker 4: be interesting what comes out in the future, and I
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Speaker 4: hope to see more standards like this going forward.
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Speaker 1: Well, with that being mentioned, you have to look at
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Speaker 1: this whole project around seal sq because that's another phase.
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Speaker 2: I think. Do you feel like this is one of the.
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Speaker 1: More valuable projects that are implementing on the HIDERA blockchain.
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Speaker 3: Without a doubt.
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Speaker 4: So Deepen is a place where it's a true frontier
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Speaker 4: use case, and Hidera is certainly excelling there and clsq
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Speaker 4: is a great example of it. They already have satellites
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Speaker 4: that are set up for transactional Internet of things, so
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Speaker 4: not just IoT, but transactional Internet of things, allowing these
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Speaker 4: objects to transact with each other, transfer value back and
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Speaker 4: forth with each other. They already have I think a
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Speaker 4: constellation of seventeen satellites that are already in orbit. They
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Speaker 4: set up an additional one in January. They have some
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Speaker 4: more that are going to be going up here shortly.
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Speaker 4: And what they're going to do with HIDERA is the
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Speaker 4: medium of exchange between these objects is going to be
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Speaker 4: a token that's built on top of HIDERA, and they
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Speaker 4: already have. CLSQ already has a tremendous amount of objects
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Speaker 4: already out there that are ready to take part in
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Speaker 4: this transactional Internet of Things revolution, and the next phase
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Speaker 4: is going to be getting more people, more manufacturers on
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Speaker 4: board that want this kind kind of ability within their objects.
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Speaker 4: The thing that jumped out to me about that is
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Speaker 4: the last time I talked to Carlos, the CEO over
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Speaker 4: at CLSQ, he said, we don't want to launch the
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Speaker 4: token until we have five big use cases or five
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Speaker 4: big manufacturers that are going to want our technology in
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Speaker 4: their devices. I know they're focused on smart homes, smart cities,
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Speaker 4: autonomous vehicles, drones and so forth, but I was thinking,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a second, you just announced twenty one
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Speaker 4: million smart meters that are going to be going out,
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Speaker 4: and you want to find bigger use cases, which is
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Speaker 4: of course exciting, but I just thought that was interesting
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Speaker 4: that they just had that announcement that the UK government
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Speaker 4: was going to have all these smart meters come out,
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Speaker 4: but he's waiting until they get even bigger partners before
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Speaker 4: announcing and launching their token.
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Speaker 1: Well, IoT, I think to a certain extent, many people
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Speaker 1: would look at it as as one of those technologies
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Speaker 1: that is very subliminal. Many you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't get excited about it, you know, because it's
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Speaker 1: kind of it's a background, and I think maybe that's
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Speaker 1: the direction he's going. He's probably looking for major partnerships
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Speaker 1: that would affect people in their everyday lives that they
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Speaker 1: would recognize because this is one of those things they
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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't even know it's happening, you know, because so
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Speaker 1: I could see that happening. Let's talk about the banking
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Speaker 1: side of things. Bank social This is a credit union.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at banking on what hbar versus
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Speaker 1: what we're seeing with something like say an XRP or
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Speaker 1: potentially other blockchains that are starting to make and most
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Speaker 1: likely we'll see more making real connections with mainstream banking.
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about credit unions, but Bank of America,
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Speaker 1: Wells far Ago, you know, getting into potential banks that
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Speaker 1: are probably going to hold crypto in the very near
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Speaker 1: future and are probably going to partner with blockchains like
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Speaker 1: hadera is. Do you feel like there's any opportunity there
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Speaker 1: for them.
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Speaker 4: Oh, there's no question. We do have some banks that
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Speaker 4: are already on the HITDREK government Council, one of them
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Speaker 4: being Shinhan Bank think it's the oldest bank in South Korea,
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Speaker 4: and they did a pilot with cross border payments I
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Speaker 4: think about eighteen months ago or so. Recently, there was
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Speaker 4: a convention for Hadera that was focused on a lot
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Speaker 4: of different topics, but one of them was payments and
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Speaker 4: we had Swift there, so we I think her name
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Speaker 4: was Alissa DiCaprio that was there. And I don't know
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Speaker 4: for a fact if Swift is actually going to be
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Speaker 4: building anything on Hidea, but obviously if they're coming up
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Speaker 4: to our conferences, there is some communication there and I
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Speaker 4: could see some things get done. The other thing that
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Speaker 4: came out not long ago was around something from FSCO,
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Speaker 4: the Financial Services Company, and they have done work with
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Speaker 4: taking a platform that's sunsetting right now, MasterCard Providence, which
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Speaker 4: was like a private blockchain, and moving over to Hidera.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 4: They've created a consortium of banks in the Philippines that
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Speaker 4: are focused on remittances in particular, and I think they're
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Speaker 4: number four or five in the world as far as remittances,
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Speaker 4: and they've created a Filipino Peso stable coin, and they're starting.
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Speaker 4: They're getting right off the bat, working with those banks
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Speaker 4: working on those remittances, and from what I've heard, that's
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Speaker 4: been very successful. And David said that he wants to
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Speaker 4: come on pretty soon because he has some more news
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Speaker 4: that he wants to share about that. So I think
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Speaker 4: all of these networks are going to etch out their
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Speaker 4: own niche, but I think Hidera is going to compete
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Speaker 4: really well on that front.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: I think the banking sector is going to have so
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Speaker 1: many new partnerships amounts announced this year just because of
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Speaker 1: what we'll see in terms of stable coin regulation that's
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Speaker 1: coming through, So we can see see some really big announcements.
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Speaker 2: It would be nice to make.
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Speaker 1: Sure, I hope if Hadera's out there listening to this,
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Speaker 1: that we get Hadera connected to one of the major
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Speaker 1: mainstream banks, because I think that would absolutely open it
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Speaker 1: up in terms of just people aware of what hbar
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Speaker 1: and what Hadera is really capable of.
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Speaker 2: Overall.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of that, I'm over on the foundation page right here.
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Speaker 1: Karate Combat is doing their first Layer two, So I'm
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Speaker 1: confused on this. Why would they need to launch a
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Speaker 1: layer two.
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Speaker 2: On HAYDERA, Well, I'm not quite.
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Speaker 3: It's a great question.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, because probably because of the scale, right, because
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Speaker 4: Derek can handle pretty much unlimited scale. We can handle
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Speaker 4: many tens of thousands of transactions per second per shard,
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Speaker 4: and it's already designed to be sharded. They're working on
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Speaker 4: the final touches around a few more things that need
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Speaker 4: to be done to allow complete sharding to be done,
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Speaker 4: splitting up the network, allowing those chards to be able
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Speaker 4: to communicate with each other. But that's going to allow
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Speaker 4: pretty much unlimited scaling. But just because you can have
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Speaker 4: uplimited scaling doesn't mean that things like hash graf spheres
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Speaker 4: or this uplayer too aren't necessary because they're more flexible.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that Uplayer two wants to do
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Speaker 4: is karate combat, just to give a little bit of
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Speaker 4: an overview of what karate combat does. Engagement creating superfans.
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Speaker 4: What you do is you pick the fighters on one
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Speaker 4: of their fight cards that you think are going to win.
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Speaker 4: If they win, you get more tokens. If you lose,
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Speaker 4: you don't lose anything. And they do that through sponsorships
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Speaker 4: and things like that. Some of it was built into
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Speaker 4: the initial tokenomics, but they wanted this up only gaming concept,
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Speaker 4: which really is lightning in a bottle, to spread to
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Speaker 4: other leagues. They also want these other leagues, even though
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Speaker 4: they can use the Karate Combat tech to launch their
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Speaker 4: token wherever they want, so it could be on a
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Speaker 4: lot of ethereum or wherever base.
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Speaker 3: And so forth.
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Speaker 4: It's the interoperability that's what the Layer two really is for,
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Speaker 4: because if they're using the Karate Combat tech that they
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Speaker 4: used for their application, which all these leagues are doing,
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Speaker 4: it needs to be a Hydero tooken. So they're using
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Speaker 4: ag layer and their Layer two to transfer the tokens
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Speaker 4: that might be launched on another network over to the
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Speaker 4: hidare that it becomes a hyderotoken that can interact with
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Speaker 4: the tech stack that Karate Combat has created.
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Speaker 1: Not to mention this, this could get big because you
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Speaker 1: got ufco of course partnering. I think it was with
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Speaker 1: v Chain. Dana was on not too long ago showcasing that.
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Speaker 1: So the point is is that these people are starting
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Speaker 1: to understand how blockchain could work with their organizations. So
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Speaker 1: that's good. Let's talk about staking and in general. You
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Speaker 1: look at staking on HANDERA and I look at this
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Speaker 1: and I go, gosh, why is this not more? Why
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Speaker 1: are we not seeing higher staking rates to be able
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Speaker 1: to really I mean, because you think about this, the
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Speaker 1: opportunity here would be pretty huge since we're seeing so
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Speaker 1: much happening. You think about GDO with Solana and many
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Speaker 1: others that really have the ability to earn some fairly
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Speaker 1: consistent rewards. What do you think is holding Handera back here?
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Speaker 4: I'm actually not sure why. I'm a big believer in
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Speaker 4: staking rewards. I think a bottoms up way to distribute
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Speaker 4: tokens and the people that are working in the the
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Speaker 4: Hidera ecosystem in the h BAR economy that are successful
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Speaker 4: and get more h BAR, then they can get additional
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Speaker 4: h BAR to continue whatever they're building. I think it's
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Speaker 4: a good way to distribute tokens. Of course, you know
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Speaker 4: there's grants through the h BAR Foundation and the Hashgraft Association,
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Speaker 4: which makes sense as well, and of course you have
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Speaker 4: to support your teams as well. But I would like
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Speaker 4: to see everybody on a level playing field, from the
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Speaker 4: investors in the h BAR token to builders that are
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Speaker 4: acquiring tokens through whatever it is. It could be a
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Speaker 4: dex or it might be an NFT exchange or something
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Speaker 4: along those lines. I would like to see staking rewards
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Speaker 4: go up a little bit. I'm sure since we don't
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Speaker 4: have higher staking rewards at this point. I'm sure there
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Speaker 4: is objections out there for some reason, but I just
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Speaker 4: don't know them. So one of the things that I
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Speaker 4: would like to see is whatever objections they are there
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Speaker 4: are in the Governing Council or elsewhere, I would like
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Speaker 4: those to be brought forward and discuss publicly. So if
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Speaker 4: there are solutions to that so we can have higher
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Speaker 4: staking rewards, we could see that in the future.
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Speaker 1: Well, hey man, you're the h BAR bull be able
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Speaker 1: to do that on your show. Bring it up to
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Speaker 1: the community and just say dropping in the comments down below,
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Speaker 1: why do you think this is not cooking?
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Speaker 3: I've been pushing it for a while.
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Speaker 4: I will say that Charles Adkins, he's the new CEO
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Speaker 4: of the HBAR Foundation. He just got in seat at
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Speaker 4: the beginning of this year. He's done some amazing things.
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Speaker 4: Or the HBAR Foundation in general has done some great
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Speaker 4: things on the infrastructure side of things. They've gotten a
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Speaker 4: lot more support for USDC. They've got to get their
17:28
Speaker 4: ducks in a row. So I don't know if this
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Speaker 4: is something that they're going to try to push a
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Speaker 4: little bit further on down the line. There's also other
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Speaker 4: ways they can incentivize the Hbar economy through rewards of
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Speaker 4: liquid staking or defive rewards and things like that. So
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Speaker 4: I'm not really sure what his plans are at this point,
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Speaker 4: but you should have him on and maybe you can
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Speaker 4: get some more information.
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Speaker 2: Well, he is.
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Speaker 1: Set to be on our show next week, so hopefully
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Speaker 1: if they show up, we will ask that question to
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Speaker 1: him and find out. Hey, let's take a look at
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Speaker 1: DeFi Lama. We got to take a look at TVL
18:02
Speaker 1: and also APP revenue. There's the TVL somewhat plateaued here
18:05
Speaker 1: right now, but APP rev a revenue, which is that
18:09
Speaker 1: those purple bars for you guys watching this and not
18:12
Speaker 1: on the audio podcast that has been falling. So why
18:17
Speaker 1: do you think that is what is going on within
18:20
Speaker 1: the Hydera ecosystem that we could be seeing APP revenue dropping.
18:25
Speaker 4: We had a big run up in November where a
18:27
Speaker 4: lot of the so called dino coins, the utility coins,
18:30
Speaker 4: had a good run up. H Bar was one of
18:31
Speaker 4: the ones that did really well during that time. There
18:34
Speaker 4: was a lot of excitement during that November December timeframe,
18:37
Speaker 4: there was a lot of trading going on. I think
18:39
Speaker 4: that's probably why you saw a lot of app going out.
18:42
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're probably right that looks like about December
18:44
Speaker 1: when those numbers are going up. But in reality, I
18:49
Speaker 1: mean we also have bitcoin kind of moving now. Markets
18:53
Speaker 1: feels I would say still even though tariffs have probably
18:57
Speaker 1: caused a lot of contraction around overall.
19:00
Speaker 2: Do you feel like what about projects?
19:02
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's are we continuing to see
19:05
Speaker 1: growth in terms of projects coming onto Hadera that would
19:08
Speaker 1: maybe help contribute to this.
19:10
Speaker 4: There's no question about that. I mean, talking about DeFi
19:13
Speaker 4: and talking about Dexas, I think it's a good example.
19:16
Speaker 4: And I've always wanted to watch I test my theory
19:19
Speaker 4: around headera on a regular basis, which I'm sure you
19:21
Speaker 4: do around your investments as well. And when I first
19:24
Speaker 4: saw things like NFT marketplaces, I was like, this is
19:27
Speaker 4: a proof of concept for things like DeFi, which we
19:31
Speaker 4: saw come along after that. And then I was like, well,
19:33
Speaker 4: this is going to move into the traditional financial space
19:36
Speaker 4: as well, and is that going to happen on Hydera
19:39
Speaker 4: And then we started to see commodities exchanges, so the
19:42
Speaker 4: Digital Commodities Exchange and then verto come online. So then
19:45
Speaker 4: my question was is this going to continue? Are we
19:47
Speaker 4: going to continue to see these other net things like
19:51
Speaker 4: NFT exchanges and dex's become proof of concepts for things
19:56
Speaker 4: in the traditional financial space. So of course the next
19:58
Speaker 4: step is going to be stock market and we're seeing
20:01
Speaker 4: that right now with the latest newcomer to the HIDAA
20:04
Speaker 4: Government Council is the Nairobi Securities Exchange and they just
20:09
Speaker 4: announced this past Monday that they are launching their digital branch,
20:13
Speaker 4: so they're going to have all of their stocks, they're
20:17
Speaker 4: going to move those into tokenized form and allow trading there.
20:21
Speaker 4: So we're seeing exactly what I thought we were going
20:23
Speaker 4: to see in that progression from you know, real web
20:26
Speaker 4: three marketplaces into the traditional space and then smaller stock
20:31
Speaker 4: exchanges like the Nairobi Stock Exchange will become proofs of
20:35
Speaker 4: concept for the Texas Stock Exchange, the New York Stock Exchange, foots,
20:38
Speaker 4: the nie K and so forth. So I think it's
20:40
Speaker 4: going down the line that I expected.
20:42
Speaker 2: Interesting.
20:43
Speaker 1: Well, okay, well, we know that black Rock is very
20:46
Speaker 1: tied into what's going to happen in that direction. Obviously
20:48
Speaker 1: they've been going at right now ethereum primarily with what
20:53
Speaker 1: they're doing with token is securities, and.
20:55
Speaker 2: Most likely we're going to see more of that.
20:57
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, and maybe this will answer that question,
21:00
Speaker 1: because this is the bridge possibility between Hedera and eth.
21:04
Speaker 2: You know, we'll call it avalanche base.
21:07
Speaker 1: But why do you First of all, why would someone
21:11
Speaker 1: want a bridge? You guys are using this ecosystem a lot,
21:14
Speaker 1: so what would be some of the key reasons.
21:16
Speaker 4: Sure, the interoperability is going to be really important. An
21:20
Speaker 4: entity might create their tokenized assets on one chain but
21:24
Speaker 4: realize that that might not be the place they want
21:26
Speaker 4: to be long term, so they might want to move
21:28
Speaker 4: over to a more efficient Chaine or something like that.
21:30
Speaker 4: So that's certainly a possibility, just movement of capital. We
21:33
Speaker 4: have a fair amount of real world asset tokenization that's happening.
21:36
Speaker 4: We have our chacks they've tokenized like you mentioned the
21:39
Speaker 4: black Rock fund, they have a Fidelity fund, and Aberdeen
21:42
Speaker 4: which is one of the Headeric Government Council. They've all
21:45
Speaker 4: tokenized funds on Headera. We have things like red Swan,
21:48
Speaker 4: which is doing real estate. We have all of our
21:50
Speaker 4: DeFi opportunities we have even a fractionalization and tokenization of
21:55
Speaker 4: whiskey casks with cass capital.
21:58
Speaker 1: And really in the ecosystems because that's expose a lot
22:00
Speaker 1: more liquidity as well in many US an earios like that.
22:03
Speaker 1: Let's talk about moving forward on the TikTok deal. And
22:07
Speaker 1: I think the reason that I bring this up I
22:09
Speaker 1: want actually let's go to a clip first. This is
22:12
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Leary talking about this, and then I'll go to
22:16
Speaker 1: the point of why we think Cadera would be a
22:18
Speaker 1: good match.
22:19
Speaker 2: Take a look.
22:20
Speaker 5: But I think this time there will not be a
22:23
Speaker 5: third extension from the White House Executive pen ain't gonna happen.
22:28
Speaker 5: So we're in a pressure cooker right now on TikTok.
22:31
Speaker 4: Just to clarify, you are still interested in this pursuit
22:33
Speaker 4: of TikTok.
22:34
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
22:36
Speaker 5: Frank McCourt and I have been working on this so
22:39
Speaker 5: long and it's such time money.
22:42
Speaker 2: We're not giving up.
22:43
Speaker 5: We're like the dog biting your leg right here, We're
22:46
Speaker 5: not going to stop.
22:47
Speaker 2: All right.
22:47
Speaker 1: Good for just to bring everybody up to speed on this.
22:50
Speaker 1: So Kevin O'Leary is part of an investment group that's
22:53
Speaker 1: being driven under Frank McCourt and along with many other people,
22:57
Speaker 1: we got Alexa, So Hannian is in this, Mister Beast
23:00
Speaker 1: is in it. And you look at the potential here
23:04
Speaker 1: on polymarket and what you're going to notice here, of course,
23:08
Speaker 1: is Oracle kind of leading the way. Larry Ellison, these
23:11
Speaker 1: are percentages of the possibility of an acquisition for TikTok okay.
23:15
Speaker 2: Who will acquire.
23:16
Speaker 1: But outside of the big guys, you got Tim Stokely's,
23:20
Speaker 1: this is Hidera, that's Sara, So why why not have
23:26
Speaker 1: Hadera join Frank McCort and essentially Polka Dot possibly in
23:34
Speaker 1: integrating some sort of partnership that could bring this across
23:38
Speaker 1: the line, because it seems like they're going to be competing.
23:41
Speaker 4: If you add those two up, it would make perfect sense.
23:43
Speaker 4: So as you mentioned there, Hidera is in with an
23:48
Speaker 4: entity called Zoup and Zoop has been building on Hydera
23:51
Speaker 4: for some time and they are shifting a little bit.
23:54
Speaker 4: They want to get into empowering creators, right, and that's
23:57
Speaker 4: what TikTok is all about, their creators out there doing
24:00
Speaker 4: amazing things. We already have a social media platform that
24:02
Speaker 4: that's built on hit Derek called Galaxy. They've done some
24:05
Speaker 4: amazing things as well. I actually manage my community through Galaxy.
24:08
Speaker 4: It's token gated through an NFT that I have, and
24:10
Speaker 4: people can come in and get early content and so forth.
24:12
Speaker 4: It's a great way to have Web three engagement. But
24:16
Speaker 4: if one of these other entities acquires TikTok, it's going
24:19
Speaker 4: to be the same old thing. If the two entities
24:22
Speaker 4: that you're talking about acquire TikTok, it brings the Web
24:25
Speaker 4: three layer to it. It allows payments to be transacted
24:30
Speaker 4: between all of the different parties, whether it's the users,
24:33
Speaker 4: whether it's the creators, and it allows the creators to
24:37
Speaker 4: monetize themselves in a completely different way. Also tipping, and
24:41
Speaker 4: you know, your likes can have value added to them,
24:44
Speaker 4: and you could really create a super app with it.
24:46
Speaker 3: It could take it to a whole.
24:47
Speaker 2: Other level, no doubt.
24:48
Speaker 1: I think if blockchain is achievable in social and we
24:52
Speaker 1: do truly get a decentralized social media platform, that could
24:56
Speaker 1: lead the way for shifting the entire I think the
25:00
Speaker 1: entire landscape of social x would probably follow Facebook. You know, Zuckerberg,
25:05
Speaker 1: he's kind of cagy. I'm not sure he would but
25:07
Speaker 1: he might. You know, you never know if we get
25:09
Speaker 1: you know, something that would really be tangible.
25:11
Speaker 2: Especially if the creators go.
25:13
Speaker 1: If the creators go and you've got mister Beast, Jimmy's
25:15
Speaker 1: over there, he sees the window.
25:17
Speaker 2: He understands this.
25:19
Speaker 1: I understand it in the sense of this would open
25:21
Speaker 1: up a huge opportunity going forward, for sure. Let's talk
25:25
Speaker 1: about gaming a little bit. Ubisoft Ferguson, Robbie Ferguson, This
25:29
Speaker 1: is iMX immutable for some of you guys brand new
25:32
Speaker 1: to Crypto. They are a gaming platform that have been
25:36
Speaker 1: around since early the last bull run, and they've kind
25:39
Speaker 1: of been up and down. iMX has been, you know,
25:42
Speaker 1: kind of a love affair and a not love affair
25:44
Speaker 1: from us, and they, of course part They announced this
25:48
Speaker 1: partnership with Ubisoft, and of course this is all about
25:51
Speaker 1: might and magic.
25:51
Speaker 2: Okay.
25:52
Speaker 1: So concept I'm getting at is that's gaming Ubisoft on
25:56
Speaker 1: the council essentially of Hadera.
25:59
Speaker 2: What is going on here?
26:01
Speaker 1: Would why wouldn't we have seen maybe a partnership over
26:05
Speaker 1: here on the gaming side with Headera.
26:08
Speaker 4: It's a good question the council members aren't necessarily exclusively
26:12
Speaker 4: on Hydera of course they're looking at all of these
26:14
Speaker 4: different platforms and participating. I do know for a fact
26:17
Speaker 4: that Ubisoft is doing some interesting things with Hidera or
26:21
Speaker 4: entities that are building on Hadera R. But you know,
26:24
Speaker 4: when is that stuff going to come to Fruition. I
26:26
Speaker 4: don't know, but I do think no matter what one
26:28
Speaker 4: of these fronts are, one of these verticals that we're
26:30
Speaker 4: talking about, I think Hydera does really compete well. And
26:33
Speaker 4: you know, I'm excited to see some of the things
26:35
Speaker 4: that I've heard around Ubisoft actually coming to Fruition on
26:39
Speaker 4: the Headera network and some of the partners they have
26:41
Speaker 4: in our space are exactly what what I would want
26:43
Speaker 4: to see.
26:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the key here is is that
26:47
Speaker 1: the Hedera ecosystem, when I talk to people around it,
26:52
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like there isn't a lot of
26:54
Speaker 1: commitment to the gaming side. Maybe that will change now
26:57
Speaker 1: with the foundation, at least on the sense of just
26:59
Speaker 1: making the platform more approachable for developers, because that's obviously
27:04
Speaker 1: going to be the key component. Because with the council,
27:07
Speaker 1: you would think there would be some open doors there
27:09
Speaker 1: that might be able to really benefit you know, young
27:13
Speaker 1: developers building out a gaming.
27:15
Speaker 2: Ecosystem for sure. Let's talk about Phantom for a second.
27:19
Speaker 1: We did this the other day with another guess and
27:22
Speaker 1: it kind of sparked my interest on what was interesting
27:27
Speaker 1: for adding to the Phantom ecosystem and what you see there?
27:30
Speaker 2: Let me kind of zoom in on this.
27:32
Speaker 1: XRPS ripple chain was the number one trending post right there,
27:37
Speaker 1: had nine hundred and seventy four up votes there, and
27:40
Speaker 1: then I thought, well, what else is this going on here?
27:43
Speaker 2: And we go all the way down there.
27:44
Speaker 1: You see Iota Flexa, you know, all sorts of them.
27:47
Speaker 1: It kind of drops off OURPC endpoints. But Hadera was way, way,
27:52
Speaker 1: way way down on the list and it had hardly
27:55
Speaker 1: no votes. Why do you think we're not seeing if
27:59
Speaker 1: we are talking interoperability, why are you Why do you
28:02
Speaker 1: think we haven't seen a major shift to possibly partner
28:05
Speaker 1: with someone like Fantom.
28:07
Speaker 4: I think that it's just a Derek community not being
28:09
Speaker 4: aware of it. So you're not getting a lot of
28:11
Speaker 4: up votes in there.
28:12
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go.
28:16
Speaker 4: Let's get the h barbarians out there, Let's get it,
28:18
Speaker 4: get them voting for it. You don't get much more
28:19
Speaker 4: dedicated than the h barbarians out there. You know, we're
28:22
Speaker 4: asking them with the ETFs to go out and talk
28:26
Speaker 4: to their brokers and make sure they support We ask
28:29
Speaker 4: them to play all the games, get involved with karate
28:31
Speaker 4: combat games like Earthlings and Legends of the Past. We
28:34
Speaker 4: asked them to get involved. But this is something that
28:36
Speaker 4: I hadn't brought up in the past. So thanks for
28:37
Speaker 4: bringing to our attention.
28:39
Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going, guys, get off of
28:41
Speaker 1: those the barbarian war paths and let's get in here
28:44
Speaker 1: and do this. Let's talk about meme coins. I'm looking
28:49
Speaker 1: at deck screener right now. I'm over in the Hadara blockchain.
28:52
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pick some winners here, Brandon. Okay, sure,
28:56
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm on the you know,
28:58
Speaker 1: on on the roulette table in Vegas most of the
29:02
Speaker 1: time when I'm doing these. But you got Sauce in here.
29:05
Speaker 1: Pack just launched here recently, so I mean, there's some
29:08
Speaker 1: winners in here. Who would you of the ecosystem. You
29:12
Speaker 1: can get a chance to talk to the hbar community
29:14
Speaker 1: a lot more than we do. What are they talking
29:17
Speaker 1: about here in terms of the meme tokens, which one.
29:19
Speaker 3: Specifically about meme coins.
29:21
Speaker 4: I'd like to get into some of the other HTS
29:22
Speaker 4: tokens as well, but meme coins, right off the top
29:25
Speaker 4: of my head, I think gibb is a great one.
29:27
Speaker 3: Io.
29:28
Speaker 4: I know right when h bar was making its run
29:31
Speaker 4: back in November and a lot of these other utility
29:34
Speaker 4: tokens ran Newter we like them, but he caught them
29:36
Speaker 4: dino tokens, you know, things like XRP and h bar
29:39
Speaker 4: and things like that. He was saying it to kind
29:41
Speaker 4: of kind of put them down, but we embraced it,
29:43
Speaker 4: and they created a meme around this dinosaur that owns
29:47
Speaker 4: Dino inc.
29:48
Speaker 3: I love that one.
29:49
Speaker 4: I think it's really cool, really good art that comes
29:51
Speaker 4: out around it. The old the og in the hidera
29:56
Speaker 4: meme cooin space is growth and the founder on there
29:59
Speaker 4: actually on things like this as grelf cracks me up.
30:03
Speaker 4: And then the last one is kind of a utility
30:05
Speaker 4: meme coin called smack Them and it's from one of
30:08
Speaker 4: our gaming teams named Earthlinks. Probably toward the end of
30:12
Speaker 4: this year, maybe early next year, they're going to be
30:13
Speaker 4: launching their gaming Metaverse, which is going to have all
30:16
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff. It's going to be a really large game,
30:18
Speaker 4: but they have sidekick games as well. One of them
30:20
Speaker 4: that went out was called steam Runner, and then another
30:22
Speaker 4: one called Smack Them other token issuers, they'll add levels.
30:26
Speaker 4: Dino is actually one of them, So not only do
30:28
Speaker 4: they give out their mean token in Smack Them, but
30:31
Speaker 4: they also give out tokens and create levels for some
30:35
Speaker 4: of the other token issuers in the Headaire ecosystem. Dino
30:37
Speaker 4: is an example of one of those. I know they're
30:39
Speaker 4: trying to do one around karate combat as well, so
30:42
Speaker 4: then you can issue some of your tokens through this
30:44
Speaker 4: game that I like. That kind of utility bent to
30:47
Speaker 4: meme coins as well.
30:48
Speaker 2: Hey listen, Grelf is up. I'm looking at this.
30:51
Speaker 1: This is over since April seventh, right now, three weeks,
30:54
Speaker 1: this thing's up almost forty six percent.
30:56
Speaker 2: So to your point right there, it's fun.
30:58
Speaker 1: I think the as a reminder if you guys are
31:01
Speaker 1: brand new to crypto and you're watching this, you know,
31:04
Speaker 1: meme coins are gambling. Essentially, there's nothing to it. It's
31:08
Speaker 1: just you have fun doing it. A lot of people
31:10
Speaker 1: love it because of that. You know that nature in itself,
31:13
Speaker 1: all right, So is the uh do you think that
31:16
Speaker 1: what about the pack token because the hashpack token. Do
31:18
Speaker 1: you think that could be a winner?
31:20
Speaker 3: It has tremendous potential.
31:22
Speaker 4: I'll go into you know, all of the different HDS tokens,
31:24
Speaker 4: not all of them, but I think what kind of
31:27
Speaker 4: happened when the meme coin craze of last year went
31:30
Speaker 4: off the cliff? You know, you see, Bitcoin had come
31:33
Speaker 4: down over the past few months. Now, of course it's
31:36
Speaker 4: recovered a fair amount, but came down thirty percent. A
31:39
Speaker 4: lot of the core platform tokens, the Layer one tokens,
31:43
Speaker 4: they might have come down, you know, someplace between thirty
31:45
Speaker 4: and sixty percent, but a lot of the other tokens
31:48
Speaker 4: out there, they dropped off of a cliff, you know,
31:51
Speaker 4: ninety nine percent down or ninety five percent down. And
31:53
Speaker 4: a lot of the Hidera HTS tokens we saw the
31:55
Speaker 4: same kind of thing. But I think there was a
31:57
Speaker 4: lot of babies that got thrown out with the bathwater there.
32:00
Speaker 4: Pack is certainly one of those. Sauce is one of them.
32:02
Speaker 4: So Pack is the native token for the Premiere wallet
32:06
Speaker 4: in the Hadera ecosystem, and I have done a tremendous job.
32:10
Speaker 4: Sauce is the native token for the Premier decks in
32:13
Speaker 4: the Hadera space, So that's saucer swap. They do a
32:16
Speaker 4: fantastic job as well. But Karate is one that I've
32:19
Speaker 4: actually been buying a fair amount lately. Not financial advice,
32:23
Speaker 4: of course, but like I said, I think that's lightning
32:24
Speaker 4: in a bottle and got hit really hard. So I've
32:27
Speaker 4: been picking up some of those. There's a lot of
32:29
Speaker 4: HTS tokens that I think have a lot of potential.
32:31
Speaker 2: Interesting.
32:31
Speaker 1: Well, if you look at Hedera right now retraced back
32:35
Speaker 1: down to where we're trading today at about eighteen and
32:38
Speaker 1: down forty six, it didn't take as big of a
32:41
Speaker 1: hit as.
32:41
Speaker 2: Most of the market.
32:42
Speaker 1: A lot of all coins were in the seventy eighty
32:46
Speaker 1: percent retracement during this last little bear push. And again
32:50
Speaker 1: I think this is a cycle right now. Are we
32:52
Speaker 1: entering a new cycle where all coin season could actually
32:56
Speaker 1: be happening. I think everybody's looking at it and saying,
32:59
Speaker 1: maybe it is finally there. But Brandon has been great
33:02
Speaker 1: having you on. I love people to come on the
33:04
Speaker 1: show that really understand the ecosystem. So we'll definitely have
33:08
Speaker 1: you back to talk about Hadera. Thanks again for coming in.
33:11
Speaker 3: I certainly appreciate.
33:12
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