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Creepy People Chronicles: Strange Revelations & Stranger Encounters · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Hopefully people are listening and God, get your fucking birdie out of your makeup bag.
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  Get mace.
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  I always lock my doors when I get into my car right away.
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  It's just like that's a habit that I've had from such a young age.
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  Me too, it's really sad that we have to have been taught that by our mothers at such an early
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  age.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm a car when you're walking up to it.
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  Make sure no one's in your back seat.
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  Lock the door quickly.
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  Like, uh.
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  [MUSIC PLAYING]
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  Hi, Caitlyn.
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  Hi, Cassie.
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  Hi, creepy people.
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  Hello.
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  Hello.
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  If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,
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  and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Yeah.
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  And we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode so that you can get some insight into the topic.
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  Yeah, just a little insight, a little insight, a little sight into your in nerds.
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  Oh.
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  Okay.
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  Spooky season.
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  So I'm going to let that one slide, I think.
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  Yeah, I mean, this will be out after spooky season, but we're still in spooky season right now.
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  And I'm very, uh, Ashnikko to out right now.
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  Yeah.
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  You're fully engaged with the spooky of the season.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  We're going to the concert tonight.
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  It's going to be so much fucking fun.
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  We're having the best October.
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  Yeah, we really are.
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  Seriously.
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  Um, we may have slightly over scheduled ourselves this weekend.
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  Yeah.
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  It's fine.
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  We never do that.
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  Yeah.
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  It doesn't happen.
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  Anywho.
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  Well, this is a creepy people Chronicles episode.
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  A tease.
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  Creepy people Chronicles are when we share your stories, your spookies, your ookies.
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  Sometimes they're witchy or ghosty or true crimey.
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  Yeah.
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  That also.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And look at that.
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  I, I have one.
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  Oh, no.
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  I'm like, okay, I'm really worried about the story that you're going to tell.
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  Yeah.
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  You got me scared.
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  Yeah.
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  Me too.
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  Okay.
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  Well, you go first.
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  Oh, should I go for?
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  Oh, joy.
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  Okay.
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  I am really just struggling today to gather my thoughts.
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  And I think I was telling you earlier that.
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  I'm processing an increased level of cortisol.
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  Maybe that's what it is.
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  And I think it's turned off my brain.
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  Oh, no.
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  So here we go.
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  So you are just a hat rock today.
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  I am just a hat rack today.
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  Very much so.
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  Very, very much so.
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  All right.
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  So just what you want for your Friday, your Friday, if you will.
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  I was leaving work and I looked down at my phone and I was like, I have 10 text messages.
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  And I have not been ignoring my phone all day, but it turned out it was primarily a group chat that just really kind of exploded.
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  Okay.
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  But I saw that I had messages from, let's see, my mom.
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  It looked like it was messages from Chris, but he was part of the group chat.
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  And then I had messages from you.
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  And I think at least one other person.
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  The details, some of them are a little fuzzy.
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  So I'm leaving work.
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  And as I'm getting into my car, I see that I have all of these messages.
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  And the way that my new work building is located.
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  There is a very busy corner right before a T-intersection.
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  Okay.
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  And there's railroad tracks right by us.
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  I don't think I'm geolocating myself too much.
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  Now I'm a little bit paranoid.
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  I don't know.
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  Yeah, it was quite a time.
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  So there's a gas station that, depending on, you know, what side of the street or of the building that you're on.
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  I think of it as being like kind of behind us.
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  It's across like kind of a little rolling grassy hill.
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  That's like backs up to our parking lot.
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  Okay.
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  And I feel like I'm going like into a painstaking detail.
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  And I'm like getting really nervous.
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  I want to picture it.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I know it's, I had to use objects to try to locate for Chris when I was like explaining to him when I got home last night.
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  So I've always assumed that there was a little bit more of a distance between,
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  like that little rolling grassy hill and you go down and then the gas station is down there.
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  And the backside of their building is right there.
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  I've already, this is my second experience with something unfortunate occurring on the backside of the gas station building.
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  So.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Which is exactly how I feel about it.
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  Okay.
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  And I am sitting there and I'm about to kind of start looking through my messages quick because I thought to myself like, Oh, man, I wonder if there's something important going on or, you know, I just don't know.
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  So I wanted to check.
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  And messages is quite a bit.
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  It's a lot.
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  It's a lot.
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  And, you know, if nine of those messages had been from my mom or from Chris, I'm thinking like, okay, there could be like legitimately.
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  legitimately an emergency or something. So just as a frame of reference, I'm kind of setting
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  up some of the deeds. Yeah. So I went to check my messages and dig out my wallet because
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  I was about to go run a couple of errands and as I'm sitting there for a minute,
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  I looked up and I realized there was somebody who was sitting down,
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  fully sitting down with his back up against the gas station building. And I was like, oh,
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  weird choice, but cool, whatever. Kind of an older guy. So I was like, all right, maybe he
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  walked there from somewhere and he's tired. I don't know. Okay. Sometimes you don't ask a lot of
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  questions because you're not sure if you want the answers. Anywho. And as I'm sitting there for
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  like a little bit longer, I realized that like he's looking directly at me. And then I realized
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  that his face is like very animatedly like angry. He's animatedly like outwardly speaking and making
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  direct eye contact at me. Okay. But that's I don't like that. Yeah. That's creepy. I mean, at first,
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  it kind of started, he just looked like he was staring right at me. So I kind of shrugged that off.
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  And I was like, whatever, like, you know, maybe he's totally zoning out. But when I realized like he's
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  speaking, like he's audibly speaking, I couldn't hear him because of the distance. And you know,
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  I've of course got a podcast playing in the background and you're in your car, right? Yeah, I was in my car.
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  But I was still kind of fiddling with my phone for another minute and I like look up and I'm like,
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  okay, he's like his demeanor is changing and he's like standing and he's still like seemingly
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  angrily like shouting up at me and like looking directly at me. I was like, okay, that's weird.
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  And I'm just kind of like, all right, I'm, you know, I just need to like get myself situated and I'm
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  going to leave. And then all of a sudden I looked up and he was literally charging at my car.
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  Oh my God. He was charging at my car and he just had
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  the most deranged look on his face that I think I've ever seen. Like in person, in real life on a
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  human person's face and he was screaming and he was like just very angry. And where I was parked is
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  super close to the front door of the building and I knew that the front door hadn't been locked
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  yet. But I was also one of the very last people there. But I didn't know that there was at least one
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  person still there. I thought it might have been down to just me and one other person, but I wasn't sure.
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  But this guy, he closed the gap between, I thought this was a much further distance coming up that
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  little tiny grassy hill from the gas station then then it must be. I'm going to go out there with
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  like a tape measure or something because I couldn't believe how fast he was like immediately within
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  like probably three or four feet of my car. And it was at that point like I was like what the fuck?
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  And I'm like panicking and I go to pull out, I put it in reverse and then I'm also very, very close to
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  the exit of like the parking lot onto the main road. The only problem is that because we're so close
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  to the corner, sometimes you have to wait for the cars that are turning right from the like
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  perpendicular road to go. So the whole time, and this is not a short distance. So if he wanted to keep
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  like if he was going to come up and like attack me, he could just keep running after my car.
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  And it's not far at all. And obviously I'm not you know hitting it up to like 70 miles per hour
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  because it's a parking lot. I don't even have enough runway to get up to that kind of speed
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  and so I'm just looking over my shoulder and looking behind me and checking my mirrors and stuff
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  for the few seconds that I have to sit there and wait to pull out. And just to make sure that he
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  wasn't like following me. And as I'm you know I've already passed by the the the main door and I was
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  panicking because I was like, oh my god, this guy is like he's so close to right there at the front door
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  and he could just like walk into the building. Yeah. And I was like he's clearly like not here
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  with us. So like what is he going to do if he stumbles into the building? And I was like, I can't get out
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  of my car. Like because if I do that, then I like have nowhere to go. Yeah. I don't have a way to like
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  get into the building and like lock the door faster than he could like catch me. So I'm panicking
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  because on top of like I just want to pull away from the building. I was like, oh my god, what do I do?
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  Like he could go into the building and like really hurt someone. Yeah. And so I'm sitting there and as
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  I'm like pulling away, I just like rapid honked my horn and then I just like pulled away. I was like
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  I have to go. I can't like because I'm sitting there thinking like can I call the main office line
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  and like try to connect to the person who's like still at the office and I'm like I don't know their
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  extension. Yeah. And like this is a brand new job. I don't even know everybody's names yet.
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  So I just basically like pulled up to the grocery store parking lot the first place that I was going to
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  go on my errands and I was like sitting there thinking through like I have my birdie. I own
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  mace. I have no idea where it is. Yeah. I know. Aaron, I have not found it. I haven't ordered a new one.
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  Yes. Chris has already addressed this with me. So I don't want to hear about it. And by the time
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  this comes out, you better bet we both will have some and maybe a taser as well. But as I was like
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  thinking it through, I'm like my birdie is inside of a cosmetic bag zipped up in my backpack.
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  Well, that makes no sense. Yeah, it really doesn't. But my keys were getting really bulky and I wasn't
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  always carrying it with me and I wasn't just like always having it at the ready. And so that's that's
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  changed. I fix that in the in the parking lot of a trader Joe's. But I sat there and was just
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  eventually I just had to get out of my car because I was like I don't want people to think I'm weird
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  because I've sat here so long that the person who was parked right next to me, they came out to their
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  car after I'd already been there for a couple of minutes. They pulled away and the empty parking spot
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  on my right. Somebody has pulled in, gotten out of their car. They're probably halfway done with
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  their shopping. I mean, the saturation. And then a new car pulled into the initially occupied spot.
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  So I was like I have to go. I feel like I'm just I can't like make words. I can't seem to like
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  clear my thoughts, but the look on this guy's face. I am not kidding you that I almost pulled
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  like a quarter of a block away and just like pulled over. I just like couldn't figure out where I
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  should pull over. Yeah. Because it's just in a spot where it's difficult to like find a it's a
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  tough spot. But I was like I'm my head feels so heavy and dizzy and I could just feel like
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  I could feel it, but I could hear it like all of the blood rushing into my head. Yeah. And I could hear
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  the pounding in my ears. And I was like this is one of those times where you go from you know being
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  there's a lot of circumstances that I think probably most women in life have encountered
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  that you feel a little bit uneasy. This was one of the only times I don't want to say in my life
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  because that if I go back far enough this is this is a feeling that I understand, but
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  this is the last this is the only time in like the last decade that I can clearly recall feeling like
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  I think if this person gets to me I really think they want to hurt me.
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  That's so terrifying. And I just was like alternating between being completely
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  catatonic and just like periods of like sobbing. Are you hearing that? Yeah.
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  Can we all of a sudden just got like a ton of like static in our ears and that's gone.
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  Okay. That's fine. I'm telling you this story is haunted. I said that jokingly, but maybe I'm not.
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  I don't know. It's so hard to put into words like I feel like I can't fully express
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  just like the way that it was like I'm lizard brain afraid. I'm purely acting on
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  and really like the fight or flight like I genuinely thought that this person meant to do me serious harm.
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  I don't know. It's hard to describe because I think a lot of us
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  feel like we're worried about that. Yeah. But it was very it was a very a moment of very real like this
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  is happening. Thank God you were in your car. I know. I know. Ready to go and not like at a bus stop
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  oh my god can you imagine if yeah I know. So as you can imagine you know I think I told you
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  no I didn't tell you I told because I purposefully didn't tell you what happened here because
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  because I wanted to build a share it and I thought maybe it would be easier to not tell it
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  and tell it and keep re-repeating it. Yeah. Well and then it's it's always one of those things too where
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  some things you want to be prepared and some things you just want to say the thing and have that be
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  like how your brain spits out the words. Yeah. And I thought maybe in this case it should be the
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  ladder and now I'm starting to wonder if it should have been the former. No but we can see how it
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  clearly affected you and I hopefully people are listening and God get your fucking birdie out of
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  your makeup bag. Get mace. I always lock my doors when I get into my car right away. It's just like
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  that's a that's a habit that I've had from like such a young age. Me too it's really sad that we
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  have to have been taught that by our mothers at such an early age. Yeah. Like look under the car when
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  you're walking up to it. Make sure no one's in your back seat. Lock the door quickly like.
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  I don't know it just the and then there was sort of this weird feeling of like I don't
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  want to say retraumatization exactly but you know Chris's response was like I feel like I need to go
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  over there and see if this person is still there and you know he's had to do that in other situations
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  and sometimes you know related to his job but he was basically saying you know maybe this is a
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  situation where we need to figure out what his location is and you know let law enforcement be
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  aware. Yeah. So I'm given to understand because my my reaction immediately was like why would we
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  call the cops like the attitude about violence against women really of any kind any form or fashion
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  a little bit frustrating in so many cases where it's like until he hurts you there's nothing we can do
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  because there's no crime that's been committed but so that anybody else who's maybe you know
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  experience something like this knows it's you know in that instance you know depending on the
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  jurisdiction that can be considered like harassment or like a threat of violence. Yeah. Yeah.
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  But I was like well I don't want to leave the house again I need to just melt and not be a person
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  anymore. I need to just be a hat rack now and I can't do that if you leave because then I just
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  sit here and cry and worry that like you know maybe in the course of you trying to just report this
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  to the proper authorities that like something bad happens. I just yeah. Yeah. Stuntless. Yeah.
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  I'm sorry that happened to you. Yeah. It wasn't that much fun. No. Like zero out of ten. I can't say
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  enough how much I don't recommend negative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was sort of strange because I
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  feel like in a weird way women are so prepared to protect themselves against violence. You know
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  coming perpetrated by men largely. Sorry guys. You know. Yeah. But I feel like this felt like
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  something different than like I feel like we all kind of have this sort of a trope in our minds about
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  like oh you know it's like the rapist that attacks you in a car park or whatever. And this felt like
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  a very different. I don't know something in my lizard brain was like I don't think that's what this
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  is. I think this person like wants to physically hurt you in not that way that you've been a
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  custom to think that all men do. Yeah. And it was like during the daytime it was yeah it was broad
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  daylight. Yeah. He was clearly on something and I think so. He was the fastest grandpa I've ever met.
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  Oh god. I've seen people on the side of the road like recently a guy just like screaming at his
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  bike and kicking it on the side of the road and you know he looked very angry and see him full in the
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  face. Yeah. But I can just imagine like I was imagining that type of thing coming at you. It was
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  I in this situation you know I've seen that as well. And this was the first time that I was like
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  oh fuck I'm the bike. Yeah. I'm the bike. Yeah. So yeah just I think just processing it. I don't know.
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  I don't know why it feels like in a way like okay this feels very dramatic like calm down but
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  I feel like I have to trust the like instinctual part of me that knows that this was this was
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  not good. Like you said if I had been on foot like this would have ended very differently. I really
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  I really believe that. Shit. Yeah. So aside from Caitlin's absolutely terrifying fucking story today.
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  Yeah. We do have an email. Is it scary? I don't know because surprise I haven't even read a word of it.
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  What? Yeah I feel like I because usually I kind of skim them. Yeah. But I was like you know I think it
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  could be fun to just not read anything about it. I kind of read the last line. I glanced at it
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  in the first line but I'm not sure if it's going to be much of a palette cleanser from Caitlin's story.
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  So oh good. Yeah. Enjoy everyone. You'll be just as surprised as I am when I read it.
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  I mean I do like that aspect. So it is titled Paranormal Story. So we kind of you know
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  we can see what it's maybe about. Okay. They say hello. I know. Love the show. Thanks for being a wonderful
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  and creepy source of entertainment. You're welcome. We try. I'd like to remain anonymous.
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  This story goes back many years so I will do my best to keep it as short as possible.
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  But it is worth the read. Obviously. We think so. We think anything is worth the read. Love it.
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  When I was nine years old my family moved into the home where it all started. Okay. Where what started?
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  Shortly after moving there within days my little brother who is six started refusing to sleep in his room.
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  Oh. That's not a good sign. No. I was just going to say that's a bad sign. This was never an issue at our
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  previous home. You don't say. Personally I always felt nervous in the house. Every time I went up the stairs
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  I couldn't help but run as fast as I could because of the intense feeling of somebody being right behind
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  me. Okay. No thank you. They go on to say I mean almost fall on your face fast.
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  So they were like sprinting up those stairs. I mean for some people that's just like every speed but
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  Caitlin has to run all the time or she would just get trampled by everyone else going so fast.
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  Her little legs, my little legs. Every time I got to the top I'd stop, turn around and just be thankful.
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  Nothing got me. Oh god. Why would you stop and turn around? I'd just keep going to my room.
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  But that's what I was going to say. I don't want to see you just in case. No.
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  My bedroom was next to my brothers and I really hated having to walk by it all the time.
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  I would always need the door to be wide open because if it wasn't I would feel like someone was hiding
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  in there. So I'd kick it open and run if it was partially closed. Okay that's totally, I mean that's a
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  totally normal thing to do. Yeah, normal response to just a room in the house you know. Yeah I'm
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  I'm gonna go with that. Nobody ever went in that room. One day I came out of my bedroom and the
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  bedside lamp was on which I found very strange because I knew nobody. I knew nobody had been in there.
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  It took every bit of courage I had to go and turn it off. Well when I did the light bulb exploded
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  and I got quite the shock as well as a burn from hot glass. Oh no! Oh no! That is not what I expected.
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  Sorry. Ouch. My older sister was in her first year of high school and decided to throw a Halloween
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  party. She had this friend who was always such a bully. So I do find this part kind of amusing.
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  Okay, I'm here for it. Yes, we don't like bullies. No. She had this tough girl persona. Always wearing a
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  leather jacket and acting as if she was an acting as if she was queen shit of turd island. Oh my god.
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  That's great. You know I'm just gonna say it. I'm glad that we've turned a corner
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  societally and just wearing leather jacket doesn't really mean anything other than that you own a
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  leather jacket. I think if you're acting like you're the queen shit of turd island and wearing a
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  leather jacket. Yeah, I could see. Okay. All right. Anyway, during this party she went to use the
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  washroom which was located at the top of the creepy staircase but came bolting out of the house
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  in a panic. The other kids tried to ask her what happened but she just kept saying there's
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  something in there. I don't want to talk about it. What's in there? She was quite upset that people
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  were so curious and asking so she left almost immediately and refused to ever go inside her house again.
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  Okay, well, so I assume it was more than just like a giant turd in the toilet or
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  well she wouldn't have been afraid of that. She was queen turd of... That's right. Yeah, queen
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  shit of turd island. That was her people. Yeah. She would have never felt more at home. I agree. Yeah.
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  My sister and I have never been all that close but a few years later she told me that she would have
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  really strange dreams during our time living there because my younger brother wouldn't sleep in
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  his own bedroom. He would either sleep in my sister's room or my mom's room. My sister's dreams were
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  always about my brother dying some horrible death. Oh no, I hate that. And she would wake up convinced
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  that it was real until she would see him sleeping soundly beside her. At the time this was all she told me.
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  So the dog? As there's a clicking outside my window. Oh okay, well listen okay, it's pull my
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  feet up into the chair of the block. So hold on just a sec. Oh god. Okay, all right you guys nothing can
• 30:23
  get me now. Right. Okay. Man, but having those kinds of dreams is just the fucking worst. I don't know,
• 30:33
  I don't know. No, no. Fast forward a few years when I was 15. I decided to move in with my dad and
• 30:43
  things got pretty intense for me. I kept having this recurring dream. I'd wake up in my room and walk
• 30:50
  over to my window, but when I looked outside it didn't look like my yard. I'd see a tree with an old
• 30:57
  wooden and rope swing and a dirt road that would wind up past the tree. It was actually quite a
• 31:05
  pleasant scene. I'd see an old red black deck truck, 1940 style coming up from the top of the road.
• 31:13
  Then the sky would get dark and I'd notice the swing was now a noose. No thank you. I knew it. I knew it.
• 31:21
  I knew it. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Why did it transform into a noose? I don't like it. Yeah,
• 31:27
  no, I have to go. I just remembered I have a thing. I'd run towards my door, but no matter how hard I
• 31:34
  pulled it just kept slamming shut as if someone was holding the other side. No.
• 31:42
  I looked to my left and this woman was there. She was tall and slim with long black hair,
• 31:48
  wearing a white dress, and although I can tell you what her face looks like,
• 31:52
  there's just this knowing that she is beautiful. Okay, I was expecting a lot worse. She says, I like,
• 32:01
  I hope I can breathe the rest of the night because I have forgotten how. I don't know how anymore.
• 32:10
  Okay, so she's beautiful. That's a relief. Okay. Yeah, because I mean, God forbid she should be
• 32:16
  unattractive. Right. Yeah. That's terrifying. I can't really explain that. It's like I've seen her face,
• 32:26
  but also haven't. That makes sense. I kind of guess like Deja Vu feeling. Yeah. It's a little bit like
• 32:34
  fuzzy. Yeah. Yeah. She starts to loom over me as if she is getting taller and I realize she's not on
• 32:42
  the ground. And what I see after that is so otherworldly that I can't put it into words. Okay, great.
• 32:51
  Well, we don't want to push ya. So spoiler alert, she doesn't stay beautiful.
• 32:58
  She turns nervous. I don't. Okay. She turns so demonic and comes towards me so incredibly quick
• 33:09
  that it jolts me awake. Ah. Just like that. Yeah. Every single time this happens, I have to get out of
• 33:16
  bed, look out my window to make sure I'm actually awake. I had this dream four times. That is four times
• 33:25
  too many. Yeah. Oh, many weird things happened while I lived in that room to be clear. This is a
• 33:34
  different house, but it did stop when I moved to a different bedroom. Okay. I won't share every last
• 33:41
  detail, but the other things I will mention is twice I'd been woken up from the feeling of my cat
• 33:47
  jumping onto my bed, but I'd quickly realize that she's not in my room in the doors closed.
• 33:54
  No, your cat maybe it's like a spirit cat. Yeah. Spirit guide cat or something, right? Yeah.
• 34:02
  Listen, I'm already a little touch and go with cats because I don't understand them. So
• 34:08
  ghost cats, it's a bridge too far for me personally. Okay, I won't spoiler alert this one. I'm
• 34:17
  just gonna go into it. Okay, great. So I'd open my eyes to see the woman for my dreams, just
• 34:23
  sitting on the end of my bed. She would disappear as I went to get, oh, God, I can even read.
• 34:32
  She would disappear as I went to get a light on. So if you could see her until you went to turn on the
• 34:39
  light, oh, God. Okay. Well, that's I'm sure there's reasons. Yeah. You know, because reason, ghost
• 34:52
  reasons. Yeah. Demonic reasons. I mean, yeah. For years, nothing else happened. I had almost forgotten
• 35:00
  about it all. Well, did my best to never think or talk about it anyway. Don't blame you. Yeah.
• 35:07
  I am now 32 years old. My sister and I have gotten a bit closer in the past year, and she was over
• 35:15
  for coffee a couple of months ago. Somehow, we got on the topic of the first house that I mentioned in
• 35:21
  this story. She told me more about her experience there and told me there was more than just dreams.
• 35:28
  No, thank you. This is where shit gets weird. Oh, it's gonna be weird. Okay. I'm just gonna have to
• 35:40
  take your word for it. She told me twice. She woke up to the sound of someone coming up the staircase.
• 35:46
  She would walk down the hall to see a woman halfway up the stairs. The woman would look up, notice
• 35:52
  my sister and start coming towards my sister. Not step by step, but in a levitation manner, picking up
• 36:00
  speed. My sister would run back to her room. I asked if this was a dream, but she swears she was awake.
• 36:10
  Out of curiosity, I asked what this woman looks like.
• 36:13
  - No.
• 36:14
  - She described her as kind of like the girl from the ring.
• 36:22
  - No, not.
• 36:23
  - Not, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 36:27
  - Podcast over.
• 36:29
  - Nope.
• 36:30
  - You're not seeing her, hopefully.
• 36:32
  - But nope, not gonna see her.
• 36:35
  - Nope, we'll cleanse you.
• 36:37
  - As soon as she said that,
• 36:39
  I was in shock.
• 36:41
  - Well, thanks for joining me.
• 36:43
  - I just bumped my shoulder on the thing
• 36:45
  and I got someone touch me.
• 36:46
  It was really scary.
• 36:47
  - I was like, no.
• 36:49
  - I wondered what happened.
• 36:50
  I was like, what was that?
• 36:52
  - Whoops.
• 36:53
  - You're like, yeah, that's what I was wondering.
• 36:55
  - I scared myself.
• 36:57
  - Third.
• 36:58
  - I asked how she was different.
• 37:00
  My sister said she's not a child.
• 37:03
  She's tall and her hair doesn't cover her face,
• 37:06
  but I can't picture her face for some reason.
• 37:08
  But she's really pretty.
• 37:10
  - Oh great.
• 37:11
  - So like the same person?
• 37:14
  - Yeah, that, I mean, it's better if they're the same,
• 37:19
  probably, two of those, two separate.
• 37:21
  - I know that makes it more real though,
• 37:23
  if they're like validating in a tubbers.
• 37:26
  - I appreciate it.
• 37:27
  - I don't like it.
• 37:28
  I don't like it.
• 37:30
  - I literally sang to the floor when she said that.
• 37:33
  I told my sister about my dreams
• 37:35
  and we found other similarities.
• 37:38
  I asked if anything else ever happened.
• 37:40
  I said, has she ever just stopped in for a visit?
• 37:44
  I'm not even kidding.
• 37:46
  She said, yeah, and she sits on the end of my bed.
• 37:50
  - No.
• 37:51
  No.
• 37:53
  No.
• 37:53
  - Oh my god, I just got fucking freezing cold.
• 37:56
  - No.
• 37:57
  - Did you get chilly with these?
• 37:58
  - I don't like it.
• 38:00
  No, it's not cold.
• 38:02
  I don't, mm-mm.
• 38:04
  I got the goose flesh.
• 38:07
  We've agreed to leave it there
• 38:09
  and never talk about it again.
• 38:11
  - Yeah, that's probably for the best.
• 38:15
  That is so fucking creepy.
• 38:16
  Yeah, and she comes and sits on the end of my bed.
• 38:19
  - No.
• 38:20
  - I don't like that.
• 38:22
  I don't like that.
• 38:23
  - I really don't like that.
• 38:24
  Stop doing that.
• 38:27
  You shouldn't hang out with her, you know?
• 38:29
  Especially like when she starts saying,
• 38:31
  17.
• 38:33
  - No.
• 38:34
  - Nope, nope, no.
• 38:35
  No, no.
• 38:36
  What's crazy too is that normally,
• 38:40
  if something was sitting on the end of my bed,
• 38:42
  that I thought was a beautiful woman or something,
• 38:45
  be like, okay, maybe they're trying to protect you
• 38:47
  or they're just making sure
• 38:50
  that you're having nice dreams,
• 38:52
  but then the other part of the dream
• 38:53
  where she turns into a damn demon and rushes your face.
• 38:57
  - Yeah, so I feel like in case it was unclear,
• 39:00
  I don't think that's her plan.
• 39:03
  - I really wanted it to be true, but.
• 39:05
  - Yeah.
• 39:06
  - Well shit, I'm so sorry you've had
• 39:08
  so many traumatic events and then you wrote us a story
• 39:12
  about it after agreeing never to talk about it again.
• 39:15
  - Yeah.
• 39:16
  - Well, hopefully maybe getting it out
• 39:19
  and into the universe will calm it down in your mind.
• 39:24
  - Alivea.
• 39:26
  - Yeah, and we'll do a little terror reading for it too.
• 39:28
  - Oh, great.
• 39:30
  And by we, Cassie means she.
• 39:33
  - You're gonna be there too.
• 39:35
  - I will physically be in the room.
• 39:38
  My soul has left the building.
• 39:40
  - We need your energy.
• 39:42
  - I don't have any.
• 39:44
  I don't have any.
• 39:45
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• 39:51
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• 39:54
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• 39:56
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• 40:07
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• 40:15
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• 40:44
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• 40:51
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• 40:58
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• 42:26
  - Well, of course.
• 42:27
  (snoring)
• 42:30
  - Well, you're gonna shuffle some of that dick?
• 42:35
  So I got a new deck at Margie's Outdoor Store.
• 42:40
  - God damn it, it is brand new.
• 42:42
  I got the crow deck
• 42:44
  and she's been sitting on the cell and I,
• 42:47
  I've been holding her and calling at her.
• 42:52
  Oh, go on, you would.
• 42:58
  - Yeah, and I haven't used it yet.
• 43:02
  - No, I pulled one card from it.
• 43:04
  Pulled one card.
• 43:05
  Okay.
• 43:06
  It's very recent trip, very fresh, very new.
• 43:11
  Okay.
• 43:11
  - Now I'm just saying words.
• 43:12
  - Yeah.
• 43:13
  I mean, that happens sometimes.
• 43:16
  - Okay, so we're gonna pull a card for the spooky house,
• 43:21
  spooky dreams, the ring lady who's not the ring lady
• 43:26
  who's pretty, but you don't see her face.
• 43:29
  (laughing)
• 43:30
  - Okay.
• 43:31
  - All that.
• 43:32
  - But do we have to?
• 43:33
  - Yes, we do.
• 43:35
  - So anonymous, this is your card.
• 43:37
  Your card is the queen of wands.
• 43:42
  - Okay.
• 43:44
  I'm so nervous.
• 43:46
  - So it's got two lions on it and a crow in some sunflowers.
• 43:50
  - I turned almost right to it.
• 43:53
  - Ooh, I like it.
• 43:55
  - Okay, and it's in the upright?
• 43:57
  - In the upright, okay.
• 43:59
  Our keywords are creativity, passion, prosperity,
• 44:03
  fruitfulness and generosity.
• 44:07
  Generosity, generosity, say.
• 44:10
  Like the king, the queen of wands is often pictured
• 44:14
  seated on a throne, wearing an elegant robe and a crown.
• 44:18
  She's usually a beautiful mature woman
• 44:22
  who epitomizes feminine authority, confidence,
• 44:27
  warmth and enthusiasm.
• 44:29
  - Is she the queen should have turned high like that?
• 44:33
  - Maybe.
• 44:36
  - We're gonna use that all the time, no matter what.
• 44:40
  - That's ours now, thank you.
• 44:42
  We're gonna merge, mate.
• 44:44
  - Yeah.
• 44:44
  - Oh my God.
• 44:46
  Okay.
• 44:49
  In a reading, the queen may signify an actual person
• 44:53
  when she does it's someone who's active, vibrant and outgoing,
• 44:57
  perhaps a woman with a creative nature.
• 45:00
  upright, a fortunate card, the upright queen
• 45:05
  gives you a thumbs up.
• 45:07
  I disagree.
• 45:10
  If this card signifies a real person,
• 45:14
  she's a figure who commands respect.
• 45:18
  Whether she's in the boardroom or the home,
• 45:21
  the boardroom or the bedroom.
• 45:23
  Oh.
• 45:24
  - Am I right?
• 45:25
  - This is creepy though, 'cause it was like,
• 45:27
  in someone's home.
• 45:29
  Yeah.
• 45:30
  A wise advisor, she is also a loyal friend,
• 45:35
  a loving partner, a trustworthy authority.
• 45:38
  Maybe in your previous life.
• 45:42
  She has a nurturing, colorful and generous nature.
• 45:46
  She's confident in her abilities
• 45:49
  and encourages others to do their best.
• 45:51
  - Huh, maybe this is like her sister.
• 45:54
  Or their sister. - Yeah.
• 45:55
  - I don't know if it was a man or a woman writing this,
• 45:57
  but I wonder if it was their sister.
• 46:00
  'Cause they did say they had a better relationship now
• 46:03
  for the past, was it year?
• 46:05
  - Yeah.
• 46:07
  That could be.
• 46:07
  - Maybe it's the good side of the story
• 46:09
  is popping out through the cards.
• 46:11
  - That feels like maybe more on point.
• 46:15
  Like the King, she may play a prominent role
• 46:18
  in a business or her community.
• 46:21
  In a question about money, the Queen says,
• 46:24
  "Do what you love, the money will follow."
• 46:27
  You may receive money from a creative venture
• 46:31
  or prosper through a partnership or other alliance.
• 46:35
  If you asked about a job,
• 46:37
  the upright Queen shows a period of fulfillment
• 46:40
  when a project bears fruit and you're happy with the outcome.
• 46:44
  This is also a good time to birth or expand a venture.
• 46:49
  In a reading about a relationship,
• 46:51
  she shows a passionate romance between loyal loving partners.
• 46:56
  Maybe this is just a message.
• 46:59
  - That's what I was just thinking as you were reading.
• 47:02
  - Yeah.
• 47:03
  Okay, there's an extra excerpt.
• 47:05
  - We didn't finish our sentence,
• 47:07
  though, we kind of just mind-melded there,
• 47:10
  but we think maybe it's a message for the person who wrote it
• 47:13
  and it's not actually about the story, is that what we were thinking?
• 47:15
  - Yeah, I thought that, sorry,
• 47:17
  I thought that was kind of implied.
• 47:18
  - I feel like we just like half-set it
• 47:20
  and for anyone maybe who does it is an honor brainwaves.
• 47:24
  - Yeah, well get on our brainwaves.
• 47:26
  - Yeah, okay.
• 47:27
  Thanks.
• 47:29
  The Queen of Wands represents a vital, passionate
• 47:32
  and aggressive female,
• 47:34
  "Whoa, grossly."
• 47:35
  Who wants to help other people through her efforts?
• 47:39
  Okay, and then you had us and you lost us,
• 47:41
  so I'm gonna guess.
• 47:43
  - I don't know, remember I said maybe she was a helper,
• 47:45
  maybe she was just coming on a little too strong.
• 47:47
  - Yeah, maybe.
• 47:49
  Though she appears to be fighting those who cross her path,
• 47:52
  she is a true champion of those she supports.
• 47:56
  So does she support you?
• 47:58
  - I don't know. - I don't know.
• 48:00
  - Well, did we just get our answer?
• 48:02
  - And maybe.
• 48:03
  - Answered?
• 48:04
  - A little bit of a mixed message, potentially,
• 48:08
  but, huh, I kinda like that.
• 48:11
  - That's interesting.
• 48:12
  - There's another one.
• 48:13
  - Okay.
• 48:14
  - The Queen of Wands bears similarities
• 48:19
  to the Celtic goddess Bridget,
• 48:21
  who rules both the hearth and the forge.
• 48:24
  Often she's pictured stirring a fiery cauldron.
• 48:29
  - Woo! - Woo-hoo-hoo!
• 48:31
  - Symbolic of creativity and inspiration,
• 48:35
  which is Link Bridget with self-expression,
• 48:39
  Smithcraft, and Healing and Celebrate her subat,
• 48:43
  known as Imbol on February 1st.
• 48:48
  - Nice.
• 48:49
  I think you did pretty good with those pronunciations.
• 48:51
  - Okay.
• 48:51
  - I listened to that witchy podcast.
• 48:54
  What is it?
• 48:55
  Goddess witch womb.
• 48:57
  - Oh, yeah. - That one,
• 48:58
  oh my god, they have so much information.
• 49:00
  They've talked about her before.
• 49:01
  - Love it.
• 49:02
  - I feel like a shaggy dog.
• 49:04
  I can't even see my eyes right now.
• 49:05
  (laughs)
• 49:07
  - Just like God. - Just like God.
• 49:09
  - And for anyone who's not on Patreon,
• 49:12
  we have a cauldron here today
• 49:13
  and a bunch of witchy shit, spells cast here.
• 49:16
  We've got a magic ball.
• 49:19
  Our cups are good witch, wicked witch.
• 49:23
  Caitlin shirt says drink witches, drink up witches.
• 49:26
  - Drink up witches? - Yeah.
• 49:28
  - Okay, so this is also just hitting me now
• 49:31
  as I actually look at the card.
• 49:33
  This is like a dark, obviously it's a crow,
• 49:37
  but it's like a dark specter looking over two lions.
• 49:41
  - Two lions.
• 49:43
  The siblings?
• 49:44
  - That really blows my mind that we were wondering
• 49:48
  if she was good or bad in the whole card seems to suggest.
• 49:53
  - I mean, it could go either way.
• 49:56
  - Yeah.
• 49:57
  - Yeah.
• 49:58
  That's wild.
• 50:00
  - Yeah, and I didn't know what this whole thing was about
• 50:02
  too when I picked the crow, dark today.
• 50:05
  - That's interesting.
• 50:07
  - We didn't even know we were really gonna record this today,
• 50:10
  so we had no idea what was gonna happen
• 50:13
  'cause we never do.
• 50:14
  - Interesting, yeah, 'cause the whole witch, wow.
• 50:16
  Everything just falls right into place, don't it?
• 50:19
  - Just does what it's supposed to.
• 50:22
  - This pretty much says the same thing,
• 50:25
  but in a cute crow story, so I don't know if anyone wants
• 50:28
  to see it, I'll maybe post it to Patreon.
• 50:31
  - If you don't care, then don't tell me,
• 50:32
  and I won't post it.
• 50:34
  I think that we should draw a card for Caitlin's story.
• 50:38
  - Oh, yay.
• 50:39
  I guess.
• 50:42
  - So I'm feeling like I'm gonna shuffle it one more time
• 50:46
  and then have you draw a card.
• 50:47
  - Oh, I don't wanna pick it.
• 50:49
  - I think you should, but don't be scared.
• 50:51
  Just take a minute and breathe.
• 50:52
  - Breathing is where the air comes into your body
• 50:58
  and then you push it back out.
• 51:00
  - Yes.
• 51:00
  - Feel your body with air.
• 51:02
  (sniffing)
• 51:05
  - You do know that I have literally been told
• 51:07
  that I first of all don't blink right,
• 51:09
  but second of all, don't breathe right, yeah.
• 51:12
  This is, okay.
• 51:15
  We're gonna go with this one.
• 51:18
  So I'm gonna set that there,
• 51:19
  'cause I wanna give us the option of,
• 51:22
  okay, what'd you get?
• 51:26
  - There you go.
• 51:27
  I don't know.
• 51:28
  - Oh, okay.
• 51:29
  - That's the two of swords in reverse.
• 51:31
  - Okay.
• 51:31
  - In reverse.
• 51:32
  - I'm sure that's good.
• 51:33
  It's another two.
• 51:34
  - It's that one.
• 51:35
  - You know the two in, two lions, two swords.
• 51:38
  - Yes.
• 51:39
  - Which, I'm a lion, I don't know.
• 51:42
  - Maybe that's, maybe that's nothing.
• 51:45
  - Not great imagery.
• 51:47
  - Yeah.
• 51:48
  - Of the blindfolded one in.
• 51:49
  - That's great.
• 51:50
  I love that one.
• 51:52
  - Sorry.
• 51:52
  - No, that's cool.
• 51:54
  Okay.
• 51:57
  Two of swords.
• 51:58
  Keywords are combined resources,
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  courage, faith, friendship, conflict and balance.
• 52:07
  In some tarot dags.
• 52:09
  Yeah, I don't, you know, okay.
• 52:11
  In some tarot dags, this card depicts a blindfolded woman
• 52:18
  holding two swords crossed over her chest,
• 52:20
  which maybe I'll just buy two swords.
• 52:23
  Is that the takeaway?
• 52:24
  - Yeah, no blindfold though.
• 52:25
  - I think we're done here.
• 52:26
  I think you've talked before about being machined
• 52:29
  from walking that.
• 52:30
  - Oh.
• 52:31
  - Okay.
• 52:32
  - Two's generally signify balance or conflict
• 52:37
  as well as pairing.
• 52:39
  I think of the two of swords as the blind faith card
• 52:42
  because it can represent courage and making decisions
• 52:46
  based on your own truth.
• 52:48
  And in some cases, spiritual guidance.
• 52:51
  - Something telling you to get the fuck out.
• 52:54
  - There's a conflict on the horizon.
• 52:57
  - I don't know.
• 52:58
  This was in reverse, correct?
• 53:01
  - Yes.
• 53:02
  - Okay.
• 53:03
  - Reverse the two of swords often indicates confusion
• 53:07
  or conflict with yourself or someone else.
• 53:10
  - Well, okay.
• 53:12
  - Fair.
• 53:13
  An imbalance may cause stress or frustration.
• 53:17
  - An imbalance of drugs?
• 53:20
  - Perhaps.
• 53:21
  Sometimes this card urges you to take action
• 53:25
  rather than endlessly analyzing a situation.
• 53:28
  That is so rude and I've never felt more triggered.
• 53:33
  - That's very true though.
• 53:34
  Like take action.
• 53:35
  We're getting the mace.
• 53:37
  You got the birdie out.
• 53:38
  Like, yeah.
• 53:39
  We're doing that.
• 53:40
  You can't see ahead,
• 53:42
  but you must take a leap of faith.
• 53:44
  I mustn't.
• 53:46
  I shan't.
• 53:49
  In a reading about money, this card suggests
• 53:51
  worrying about a financial matter.
• 53:54
  You don't know what to do and can't trust anyone to help you,
• 53:57
  which is accurate.
• 53:59
  - Accurate in the moment.
• 54:00
  - Don't trust anyone.
• 54:01
  - Yeah.
• 54:02
  - Ever.
• 54:03
  - Yeah.
• 54:04
  Well, you didn't like run into the building either,
• 54:06
  so that was like you were kind of on your own.
• 54:08
  - I'm like, bye.
• 54:10
  - The reverse two can indicate choosing between
• 54:14
  two unsatisfactory options.
• 54:17
  A rock and a hard place.
• 54:19
  Apparently, if the reading is about your job,
• 54:22
  the reverse two represents confusion, indecision,
• 54:26
  lack of information or conflicts regarding your work.
• 54:31
  Yeah.
• 54:33
  It can also warn that colleagues aren't reliable
• 54:36
  or trustworthy.
• 54:37
  You need to look hard at something you don't want to see.
• 54:42
  In a reading about love,
• 54:44
  confusion or differences of opinion may cause stagnation
• 54:49
  in a relationship.
• 54:51
  Are you clashing swords?
• 54:53
  - I feel like it's not about a love thing,
• 54:57
  but I love that turn of face.
• 55:01
  Honesty and openness are important now.
• 55:04
  The reverse two also represents imbalance.
• 55:08
  One person may wield more power than the other.
• 55:12
  - I am.
• 55:13
  - Crazy person with nothing to lose.
• 55:16
  - I thought we were still talking about love.
• 55:19
  - Oh, okay.
• 55:20
  - Look at power.
• 55:22
  I think it's not about love.
• 55:23
  I'm not thinking about love in your story at all.
• 55:25
  - No, not at all.
• 55:26
  - I just was like, let's change the subject.
• 55:29
  Did never have feelings or, okay.
• 55:32
  - Yeah. - Are any extras?
• 55:35
  - Extrasurves.
• 55:36
  - Extrasurves.
• 55:37
  - Maybe I should look at the rest.
• 55:39
  - I don't know why, but I'm turning the page.
• 55:41
  And, oh, okay.
• 55:44
  Why?
• 55:45
  'Cause you found something?
• 55:46
  Well, I didn't know that I would,
• 55:48
  but yeah, I was like, oh, turn the page
• 55:50
  'cause there's no extra exerbs
• 55:52
  and there actually is on the next page.
• 55:55
  - Whoa.
• 55:58
  Calm down, okay.
• 56:00
  It's just a terror reading.
• 56:01
  - Okay.
• 56:04
  The soul is a diamond in the rough,
• 56:10
  which must abide the blows inflicted by suffering
• 56:15
  in order to shine in all its brilliance.
• 56:18
  Cassie, do you wanna know what book this is from?
• 56:23
  - Yes.
• 56:25
  - Like water for chocolate.
• 56:29
  Oh, you don't like chocolate.
• 56:32
  And I don't like feelings.
• 56:35
  (laughing)
• 56:36
  - You're like crying in your chocolate.
• 56:39
  I feel like I need to read this.
• 56:41
  I feel like if I had to eat chocolate, I would cry.
• 56:44
  (laughing)
• 56:46
  - Shocking chocolate down your throat.
• 56:47
  (groaning)
• 56:49
  - In the little crow book, it says, "Two of Swords,
• 56:52
  the Blindfolded Crow balances herself on two blades,
• 56:57
  on the blades of two Swords.
• 56:59
  She calmly stays in place,
• 57:00
  unable to see the edges or where to safely hop to next.
• 57:05
  She is afraid of making a dangerous or painful mistake.
• 57:09
  The two of Swords suggests you may find it difficult
• 57:13
  to make a significant decision
• 57:15
  because you feel you aren't unable to see the full picture
• 57:19
  or that there is valuable information
• 57:21
  that is being withheld.
• 57:23
  If you are feeling stuck, evaluate where the fear is coming from.
• 57:28
  I think you know where the fear was coming from.
• 57:30
  - Yeah.
• 57:31
  - So I mean, potentially through my windshield.
• 57:34
  - And look for the steps and information you need
• 57:37
  to proceed safely.
• 57:38
  So start your car and get the fuck out.
• 57:40
  - Yeah, GTFO.
• 57:42
  - Pay attention to your surroundings.
• 57:43
  Very important.
• 57:45
  Lock your doors.
• 57:45
  When the two of Swords is reversed,
• 57:49
  oh okay, the problem with indecision is heightened.
• 57:53
  You are unable to find any clarity due to an overload
• 57:57
  of information, thus leaving you more confused
• 58:00
  and unable to figure out what is most relevant,
• 58:04
  which definitely it fucked with your brain.
• 58:07
  - Yeah.
• 58:08
  - Well, even just the point of like looking over
• 58:12
  at that like front door and being like,
• 58:15
  can I run back and set it?
• 58:19
  - Yeah.
• 58:19
  - No, no, no, no, I would choose.
• 58:21
  - You had to choice pretty much.
• 58:23
  That's interesting.
• 58:25
  - Yeah, it is interesting.
• 58:28
  - Another successful, tarot read by two successful witches.
• 58:33
  - Drink up, shall we?
• 58:35
  - I think I've had plenty.
• 58:37
  - I mean, you've barely had any at all,
• 58:39
  but I'm a lightweight nowadays.
• 58:41
  Well, what makes one of us?
• 58:44
  We have a Patreon shout out.
• 58:49
  - Woohoo, another one.
• 58:50
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• 58:53
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• 58:56
  Not doing that.
• 58:57
  - Never, no, but Jocelyn, thank you so much for joining us.
• 59:02
  And you figured out the annual,
• 59:07
  the annual subscription on Patreon.
• 59:10
  - Oh, she committed to a whole year with us.
• 59:13
  - A whole year.
• 59:14
  - Oh girl, okay.
• 59:15
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• 59:16
  - Okay.
• 59:17
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• 59:19
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• 59:23
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• 59:25
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• 59:27
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• 59:31
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• 59:31
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• 59:32
  And we're gonna do it again.
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  Shout out Jocelyn.
• 59:34
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• 59:35
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• 59:37
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• 59:39
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• 59:43
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  - Hey, listen, if you weren't into the silly voices
• 59:50
  and giggling and eagerness, then I'm not really sure
• 59:53
  what you came here for exactly.
• 59:55
  Maybe the ghost, I don't know, maybe, maybe.
• 59:58
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• 1:02:25
  See, someone did it.
• 1:02:26
  She did it.
• 1:02:27
  They did it.
• 1:02:28
  He did it.
• 1:02:29
  We don't know.
• 1:02:30
  So hard to say, you know?
• 1:02:32
  Somebody did.
• 1:02:34
  And remember, your stories do not have to be
• 1:02:37
  from the Pacific Northwest.
• 1:02:39
  If you wanna share, send us a story from anywhere.
• 1:02:43
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• 1:02:50
  that we pull for every episode,
• 1:02:52
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  for every episode, mostly.
• 1:02:57
  - Mostly.
• 1:02:58
  - And a lot of backstage shenanigans.
• 1:03:01
  - Yeah.
• 1:03:02
  - We get into it.
• 1:03:03
  We post reels and tic-tac.
• 1:03:06
  - Tic-tac?
• 1:03:07
  - Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  We do all that stuff.
• 1:03:09
  - Our fun goings-on in the Pacific Northwest.
• 1:03:12
  We like to visit places and post about them.
• 1:03:15
  - I know.
• 1:03:16
  Should we tell them about the thing
• 1:03:17
  that we're gonna do tonight?
• 1:03:18
  - Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:19
  - And to this, it will have already happened?
• 1:03:21
  - Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  So we mentioned earlier, we're going to Ashnikko.
• 1:03:25
  And then it dawned on us.
• 1:03:27
  We're going to the Roseland, which we covered.
• 1:03:31
  Yeah.
• 1:03:32
  So if you haven't listened to that episode
• 1:03:34
  that we talked about the Roseland, what was it called?
• 1:03:37
  - Go back in, listen, do it.
• 1:03:39
  - Okay, you guys.
• 1:03:41
  We just figured out 100 episodes ago, exactly.
• 1:03:46
  Episode 35.
• 1:03:49
  This is episode 135, that's so creepy.
• 1:03:53
  Episode 35, we covered what was formerly known as
• 1:03:59
  the Starry Night.
• 1:04:00
  We are going there tonight.
• 1:04:02
  It's now known as the Roseland.
• 1:04:04
  The case that we covered was the murder of Tim Moreau.
• 1:04:08
  So that episode is titled The Starry Night,
• 1:04:12
  Murder of Tim Moreau.
• 1:04:14
  - Ooh.
• 1:04:15
  - I...
• 1:04:18
  - Yeah, that is crazy.
• 1:04:21
  - All of the chills.
• 1:04:22
  All of the chills and all of the non-verbal
• 1:04:24
  and weird mouth sounds that I do, you guys get it.
• 1:04:28
  - It was meant to be.
• 1:04:29
  - Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Do you want to know when that episode came out?
• 1:04:32
  - Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  It came out on Christmas Eve.
• 1:04:35
  - Oh, that's right.
• 1:04:37
  - Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  - That's right.
• 1:04:39
  - Oh my God.
• 1:04:40
  - That was our Christmas Eve special.
• 1:04:42
  - You're welcome.
• 1:04:43
  - Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Hey guys, it's Christmas Eve.
• 1:04:46
  How about some murder?
• 1:04:48
  - I don't know what it's like to be a ghost.
• 1:04:49
  I do remember that people were seeing a ghost
• 1:04:53
  like a strangling sound and oh.
• 1:04:56
  Strangling.
• 1:04:58
  No.
• 1:04:59
  - I don't know.
• 1:05:00
  Well, hopefully it'll be so packed tonight
• 1:05:01
  like that we won't see any ghosts.
• 1:05:03
  - Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  - Maybe Cassie will wander off down a dark hallway
• 1:05:07
  and try to seek out a ghost.
• 1:05:09
  - Okay.
• 1:05:11
  All right.
• 1:05:12
  Well, I'm not going anywhere alone.
• 1:05:14
  - Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  - Okay.
• 1:05:15
  Anyways, you can find our website and our link tree
• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:21
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  All of it.
• 1:05:25
  Also, the website is linked to our link tree.
• 1:05:29
  - Ooh.
• 1:05:30
  - It's a lot of linking.
• 1:05:31
  So many links, a link and that movie,
• 1:05:34
  missing link is so fucking cute.
• 1:05:35
  Have a creepy ass day!
• 1:05:39
  - See you next Tuesday!
• 1:05:44
  - We hope hopefully not at the gas station parking lot.
• 1:05:47
  - Oh gosh.
• 1:05:49
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• 1:05:50
  Please.
• 1:05:52
  Please be safe.
• 1:05:52
  Also anonymous.
• 1:05:53
  Let us know if the card meant anything to you.
• 1:05:57
  What do you think about it?
• 1:05:59
  - I know I'm dying to know.
• 1:06:00
  - I know.
• 1:06:01
  - I know.
• 1:06:02
  - Also like anonymous anonymous, you know,
• 1:06:06
  like the big anonymous, like what a,
• 1:06:10
  we hope you guys are always cool with us.
• 1:06:13
  - Yeah, yeah, 'cause they really mess people up.
• 1:06:17
  - Yeah, I don't, we've talked about it before.
• 1:06:19
  We don't wanna be on their bad side.
• 1:06:20
  - Yeah.
• 1:06:21
  I don't know.
• 1:06:22
  It just feels like something worth mentioning
• 1:06:23
  everyone's in a while.
• 1:06:24
  Just, you know, for the periodic searches
• 1:06:27
  of like who's talking shit.
• 1:06:29
  We're not talking shit.
• 1:06:30
  - I'm just so, I'm not here.
• 1:06:36
  I'm not here.
• 1:06:37
  I'm just like floating through time and space.
• 1:06:40
  I don't know.
• 1:06:41
  - I'm just here.
• 1:06:42
  Who said that?
• 1:06:43
  - You're not here and I'm just here.
• 1:06:45
  - Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  - All right, well, oh wait, bye.
• 1:06:49
  - Bye, we should probably go.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah, we can't keep the camera on
• 1:06:52
  'cause they might see you're un-mentionable.
• 1:06:54
  We were gonna have Chris stay in the back
• 1:07:00
  and fold laundry while we did this.
• 1:07:02
  And Kaelin was like, no, someone might see my un-mentionables
• 1:07:06
  (laughs)
• 1:07:07
  'cause she is an old-timey bitch.
• 1:07:10
  'Cause I'm the old-timeiest of bitches.
• 1:07:14
  (laughs)
• 1:07:17
  (soft music)
• 1:07:20
  (soft music)
• 1:07:23
  [Music]
• 1:07:50
  Oh my god are you okay?
• 1:07:55
  You okay?
• 1:07:59
  It just run to the bubbles.
• 1:08:03
  The bubbles.
• 1:08:04
  The bubbles what out to get you.
• 1:08:06
  [Music]
• 1:08:07
  Build, build getcha.
• 1:08:08
  Build getcha every time.
• 1:08:09
  She says sorry.
• 1:08:10
  No you're right.
• 1:08:11
  [Music]
• 1:08:14
  Your story is really getting to me.
• 1:08:16
  [Music]
• 1:08:17
  I mean I haven't even told you anything.
• 1:08:19
  [Music]
• 1:08:20
  It may really get to you.
• 1:08:22
  I feel like it really bothered me.
• 1:08:27
  Oh my god.
• 1:08:29
  That doesn't happen to me like ever.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah you like.
• 1:08:32
  Oh no.
• 1:08:34
  Like your eyes are watering.
• 1:08:36
  Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  No.
• 1:08:38
  I feel like this story is like as haunted as my hat rack head feels today.
• 1:08:46
  Like it's empty and spooky and no one really knows what's going on.
• 1:08:52
  God.
• 1:08:53
  And it tried to take my go.
• 1:08:54
  Oh man.
• 1:08:55
  Well it creeps me out because you know I was having that stuff with my neck where it
• 1:08:58
  was pulling.
• 1:08:59
  I was being strangled.
• 1:09:00
  And then the other day I was listening to a podcast and she said that she'd been told
• 1:09:06
  that she was going to die by choking.
• 1:09:09
  And I was like freaking out because I was like what is with all the fucking choking and then
• 1:09:13
  today I'm choking.
• 1:09:14
  Oh my god.
• 1:09:15
  You were choking the other day.
• 1:09:17
  Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  A lot of it.
• 1:09:19
  Okay.
• 1:09:20
  I don't like it.
• 1:09:21
  I don't want to be choked.
• 1:09:22
  No I don't like that.
• 1:09:23
  I don't like that at all.
• 1:09:25
  Okay.
• 1:09:26
  I think I'm okay.
• 1:09:27
  Okay.