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The Psychedelic Journey - Episode 307 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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And what I found is that it almost always deals with improper mineralization and dehydration that their brain that the psilocybin because it's activating their brain in
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new ways.
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that it's causing more brain activity that you suggest and it's exposing the fact that they're a little dehydrated
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Mushrooms, adaptogens, aminos, cacao.
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we've basically, we've been researching for quite a while now, every single ingredient that can benefit a micro and a macro dose into a kind of ceremonial cacao and Ceylon
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cinnamon base.
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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Glad Longevity Podcast.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Jeffrey Gladden.
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And we are here curious as always about how good we can be.
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How do we make 100 to new 30?
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How do we live well beyond 120?
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How do we live young for a lifetime?
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Really interesting question, quite honestly.
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And how do we develop a 300 slash 3000 year old mind?
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And today I'm going to have a conversation with a gentleman, Adam Schell.
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He's not a physician.
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He's not in the medical space, but he's an author who became enamored with the area of psychedelics.
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And we're going to go into a pretty far ranging conversation on different psychedelics and mushrooms and psilocybin and microdosing these and the impact on the brain and flow states
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and function.
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I think you're going to find this a really, really interesting conversation.
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We go a lot of places with this one, so enjoy it.
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Welcome everybody to this edition of the Gladden Longevity Podcast.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Jeffrey Gladden.
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And today I'm being joined by a interesting character who's working on optimizing the brain through some ancient mechanisms actually, which are pretty interesting.
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So Adam, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much, looking forward to chatting it up.
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Yeah.
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Adam, tell us a little bit about your personal journey.
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How'd you get to the point where you're working with your proprietary mushroom blend?
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Yeah, it kind of reads like a bit of a Netflix story.
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Failed novelist, turned drug dealer, turned mushroom expert.
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So I went to Northwestern University.
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I was a Big Ten linebacker.
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I majored in film and literature.
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I wrote a novel back in 2008, 2009.
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The novel sold for well over million dollars.
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It was a multi-book deal.
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But between the purchase of the manuscript and the release of the book itself,
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We had the whole publishing world implode in 2008 2009.
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We had the economy, know the housing crisis and then it all culminated with the number one two and three a random house wall, but my book got fired and Michael Jackson died the day
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my novel came out.
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So it was like it never happened.
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So I Yeah, it was kind of crazy time.
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So I was writing I was teaching yoga.
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I was training
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side hustling stuff and a friend of mine introduced me to the California cannabis industry.
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didn't know anything about cannabis really at the time.
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Didn't have any issues with it, but I just wasn't much of a cannabis user.
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But I was, you know, was kind of like, you know, forties and screwed up.
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What am I going to do now?
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So basically the bar in the industry at that time was so low that just competent and honest was the new extraordinary.
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And within three years I had a statewide distribution company going.
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had a security company, Sprinter Vans, and I was making sitcom like money.
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It was
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Mm-hmm.
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We were doing so well.
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But I had some psychedelic experiences early in my youth, in my early 20s that I never forgot about.
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And when I was very flush with cash, one of the guys that worked for me that had a small grow operation and he would do some driving as well, we started talking about psilocybin.
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And the word microdosing had just started first appearing about 10 years ago now.
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And I said to him, I was very cash positive at the time, I said, hey, if I fund you out, you think you could grow mushrooms.
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He's a European guy, turns out he came from four generations of mushroom foragers.
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He grew up with a country cottage where they would go mushroom foraging.
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And he's like, yeah, this is gonna be like coming home to me.
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And literally within about eight months, he was one of the best mushroom growers in the world.
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And we had all these different varieties of psilocybin mushrooms that we were growing.
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Simultaneously to the, we basically,
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We didn't want to do something shroomy or recreational, not that I have a problem with that at all.
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I think it's so much better than alcohol and other things.
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I think mushrooms are great in a multitude of uses, but we really wanted to approach it from the standpoint of life optimization and wellness and microdosing.
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So we started to grow specific types of mushrooms in specific types of ways, blended with specific combinations of herbs, nootropics, amino acids, and so forth for this desired
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life optimization outcome.
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And about
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Three or so years into the process, we really stumbled upon it.
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We developed our own.
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We had what I call a glorious mutation.
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The four different types of mushrooms we were growing seemed to mutate into the perfect one for our needs, sorry, for our needs as a microdosing company.
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And then we really can't.
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you're blending four different mushroom strains, is that what you're hearing?
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originally we had four different types of mushroom strains growing that we would use.
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And then we had this mutation.
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Say that again, excuse me.
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Which ones were they?
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So we had uh albino penis envy, Texas teachers, hillbilly, and Shakti.
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Those were our original four strains.
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Bill Billion what was the last one?
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Shakti.
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Yeah.
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And we had this mutation that seemed to represent some aspect of all of them, and we were able to propagate that.
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So that's now our proprietary mushroom that we built our supplement.
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basically built a new mushroom, is what you're saying.
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yeah, we had this mutation and we were able to breed and propagate that.
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My partner's the mushroom expert, but we were able to breed and propagate that.
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that's the type of mushroom that we use specific for our Brain Supreme product line.
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So during this time, then the cannabis industry completely collapsed and I was like, okay, let's really go all in on the microdosing brand.
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And the industry collapsed so hard, I lost millions of dollars, scary losses.
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I bought into farms and I was moved up to Northern California and I was...
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running the farms and running distribution.
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And we had one year of fires, we lost 50,000 projected pounds.
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The next year, there's no crop insurance, so I'm putting in good money after bad.
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And then next year, the day before harvest, we get this inverted atmospheric river, we have 13 days of rain, and we lose every single 50,000 projected pounds of harvest, we lose
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every single pound to mold.
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So two years, and at the same time, the distribution in the cannabis industry went from 1000 bucks a pound down to 350 bucks a pound.
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cost you 400 bucks a pound to grow it, trim it and pay the taxes on it.
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So I was literally ruined.
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I was terrified.
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I was upside down.
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I had lost all my money.
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I had lost investors and partners money.
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I couldn't pay farmers.
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I couldn't pay workers.
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It was an absolute disaster.
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But we had created the Genius, our flagship product called Genius, which has this specific formula.
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specific formula of psilocybin.
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Is that what it is?
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yeah, still assignment.
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We had just developed this one type of mushroom that we had developed, that literally saved my life.
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I was able to
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Tell us about how the mushroom saved your life.
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I know you were going through a crisis financially and of course there's a lot of...
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I was, I've never been prone to like addiction or abusive behavior.
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So I don't want to say like I was doing drugs or drinking or anything like that, but I was operating on about three, four hours of sleep at night.
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I'd have night sweats and terrors every evening.
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I was separated from my family because they had come to, they had come to Texas to kind of get away from the craziness and stupidity of California and California COVID.
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ah I had no,
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I couldn't work my way out of the problems I was in because distribution had collapsed.
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So I had made my investment money by going up to the farms and buying product at $1,000 and selling it in the cities at $1,300 or $1,400.
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And we did amazing.
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But now you're trying to get it at the farms.
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The farms are trying to get three, four, or 500 bucks a pound, but the distribution centers in the cities are paying 250 bucks a pound.
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300 bucks a pound.
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So everybody's upside down.
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It's a disaster.
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You're working for free.
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couldn't, the supply, so the supply and demand went completely out of sync.
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Supply was completely flooded.
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Demand had diminished.
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Demand was, supply was happening from other states.
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You California used to control 80 % of the cannabis grow in the country and suddenly that drops to 55 % because Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma, Michigan, Arizona, all these other
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states come online.
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And so now the black market, which really controls the whole entire cannabis industry, that collapses, Northern California is imploding.
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And I was incredibly depressed.
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I couldn't focus, I couldn't concentrate.
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But the development of Brain Supreme allowed me to compartmentalize my stress, manage on four hours of sleep a night, unwind the catastrophe that was California, relocate myself
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to Texas, rebuild the brand, rebuild my life and really...
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start to experience the success and growth that we're experiencing now.
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So personally, it helped me manage this extraordinary time of stress.
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Yeah, well, that's great.
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You know, when you look back at the history of psychedelics in general and mushrooms and things like that, there's so many interesting things that are being postulated and they're
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being postulated.
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They're not necessarily fact, but postulations around how the use of some of these psychoactive agents like psilocybin, which becomes psilocin in the body, that it had an
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impact on
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our ancestors in a way that was kind of improving their perception and intelligence and some things like that.
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It seems like these mushrooms may be a part of the human neurological capability and capacity development that we have for, you know, abstract thought and seeing things
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through different lenses and some of these kinds of things.
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I don't know if you've looked into any of that, but it's
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a bit.
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It's kind of an interesting thing, right?
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It's kind of.
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Thomas McKenna goes so far as to suggest, and he's one of the godfathers of psychedelics.
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So McKenna goes so far as to suggest that human evolution was based on primates um going down to the lowlands after rain and eating psychedelic psilocybin mushrooms out of the
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different animal patties, out of the feces of the different animal patties that would sprout.
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And it was this spontaneous explosion of
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neurological firing and wiring and opportunity that basically caused the transformation of the primate brain into the human brain.
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So there's some people in the space that advocate that it's basically what caused human evolution.
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I don't know if I would go that far, but I do find it fascinating that so many of our religious
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holidays religious teachers prophets sages wise people Seem to have some psychedelic revelry festival Something was there was some engagement with psychedelics in part as part
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of their Evolution and the evolution of their spiritual and religious identities and thoughts
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Yeah, I think that's right.
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When they go back now and they actually, you know, the archeology has really taken such a massive leap forward with quantum computing and analysis and things like that.
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And then the ability to actually use technologies like LIDAR and things like that to look into a jungle and see a city that's buried there and things like this.
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Right.
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So, but anyway, when they go in and they, start to excavate these temple sites or whatever, it's not unusual to find remnants of cannabis there or.
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you know, other psychoactive agents, right?
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It seems to have been part of almost all the traditions, right?
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mean, yeah, I mean, the, you know, the Amanita Muscaria and Muscanol, that psychedelic from the Christmas mushroom and the, the traditions of, of Siberia and the North.
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And then you have the burning bush, which could have been the Asahi, I think is how you pronounce it, bush, relief, which the smoke releases psychedelic properties.
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And then you have the Elysian rites where the Greek scholars and
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Intelligency that time would go to Alicia for these Elysian rites and they've scraped out the barrels and they found Remnants of psychedelics inside some of the ancient Hawaiian
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barrels and so forth.
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So yeah, it seems seems quite prevalent
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it seems to be it seems to be prevalent in the whole psycho spiritual evolution of practice and things like that.
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It is interesting.
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You know, there's some some really interesting things that happen to the brain with psilocybin and it has to do with kind of uh making neural connections that typically are
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not being made otherwise.
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Like the brain tends to run along certain highways, right?
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And you've got this default mode network that, you know, most of your thoughts are kind of repetitive thoughts that are running on this particular highway.
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And then what happens is when you drop in something like psilocybin, you know, the same thing happens with LSD.
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Even mescaline will do similar things, activate some of the same H21A receptors.
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You can basically kind of start to rewire
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the connectivity in the brain, which enables people to actually start to see the world from a different vantage point, which I think is really one of the most interesting
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things.
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When we think about changing our life, you know, there's a million podcasts, books, whatever they talk about, you know, change the way you think and you change your life.
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The question is, how do you actually do that?
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Because when you think about something differently, just cognitively,
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it'll move the needle, but when you have access to something that enables you to experience and rewire the brain down other pathways, all of a sudden you can come out of
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that experience and now start to see the world differently in a more permanent kind of way.
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I don't know if that's some of your experience, but...
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100%.
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Have you had any macro heroic journeying experiences?
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You have?
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Okay.
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So you've experienced this.
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Great.
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I use basically what I suggest the difference between the macro dose and the micro dose is the macro dose turns the proverbial lights on that you're in an abyss of darkness, your
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consciousness, your understanding of cosmology, mythology.
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you you have maybe some preconceived notions, but you enter this heroic space, this psychedelic space, and the proverbial lights get turned on, okay?
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And your understanding of life, the way you view life, your own personal behavioral patterns, thoughts, cosmology, energy systems, everything kind of gets exposed.
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The lights get turned on.
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And as you come out of the, as you descend from the macro experience, the lights dim.
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but the pattern of the darkness is never the same.
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It's like you've walked into a hotel room, you're exhausted at midnight, the blackout screens are there, you're gonna knock your shins into the coffee table when you go to take
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a piss, but you flip the lights on even for a second and they go off, but now you know the pattern of the furniture.
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So even though it gets dark again, you can navigate the darkness a little bit better.
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And then the microdosing experience just continually walks you towards that light.
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Whether you've had the macro experience or not, certainly they work very well in conjunction with one another.
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But the macro experience turns the proverbial lights on, the darkness is never the same.
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The micro experience just continues to walk you towards the light.
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I think that's a good analogy.
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I one of the things that I would say is that barriers that we normally have constructed as being real start to fall away.
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Like particularly on a macro experience, you know, when the plants, you know, start talking to you, right.
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And you start connecting with people telepathically and you start connecting to consciousness and
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things like this.
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I found that using, you know, binaural deep theta meditation beats can be very, very stimulating as well.
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But the point is it breaks down barriers.
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And if you have things like wachuma, right, which is mescaline from cactus, which is different to mushrooms, it also breaks down barriers.
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It breaks down the barriers that you have between yourself and other people.
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all of sudden you become really, really good friends with everybody in the room through a shared experience.
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And it's, what's interesting about it is that you start to realize that we're all living in a construct that we kind of bought into and said, well, this is just kind of how it is.
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But in actual fact, I think one of the stretching and beautiful things of these experiences is that once you see it, you can't unsee it.
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And once you feel it, you can't un-feel it.
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And yes, there is an elasticity of being pulled back to your old self, but there's also a elasticity being pulled forward into your new self, if you will.
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So it's a really fascinating field, think.
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m
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have you worked with and experienced?
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As a doctor and a scientist, can you quantify different ethnogenic medicines differently?
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Yeah, I mean, the way that I got into this for the audience is I've, you know, I never really did any psychedelics growing up, right?
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I came out of a very Christian background, went to seminary, you know, drank a little bit of alcohol.
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I think I eventually tried a bit of cannabis in medical school or something like that.
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And then, I mean, it was interesting and fun.
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I actually have psychedelic experiences on cannabis genetically.
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I'm built that way.
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But.
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It would mess with my memory.
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So I didn't like it.
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So I stopped using it.
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And so, and there's genetic reasons for that also.
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and we figured out ways to compensate for that.
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that, well, yeah, nonetheless, I don't, I don't, I don't really use these things on a regular basis, but then, um, my partner, basically who was finishing up a psychology
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degree at Naropa in Boulder,
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had a real passion to go into the field of psychedelic assisted therapies because there's so much work going on at so many major universities about using psilocybin, Ibogaine, LSD,
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DMT experiences to basically help people rewire their brains and get over their post-traumatic stress or help them with their depression.
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And there's so many
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And also help people that have terminal illness be able to face the rest of their life from a positive perspective as opposed to a woe is me perspective, right?
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So it's really powerful.
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Like there is no drug in the pharmacopoeia that can do that, you know, that I'm aware of, right?
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I mean, what the drugs do in pharmacies basically is to dull whatever's happening.
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these...
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When you read about these studies, you start to understand and, these people are expanding into something else.
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So anyway, through those connections, I ended up getting access to some of these things in legal ways, quite honestly.
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I'll just say that in legal constructs inside of a church or temple or something like that, that had a dispensation to be able to administer these in a therapeutic way.
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yeah, so, you know, 5-Meo-DMT, ayahuasca.
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psilocybin, LST, Wachuma, mescaline, all these things I've played with, right?
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And they're all, they all have a different flavor.
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That's why I was curious about your four in one concoction because, you know, Golden Teachers is like a very sort of interesting psilocybin experience.
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It's very pleasant and educational.
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For me, the penis envy is just like,
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so rough and harsh and yeah, evidence of, you know, times of paranoia and things like this.
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It's like, boys, I just don't really resonate with this molecule.
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So yeah, so.
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fascinating because that's largely thought of as the best recreational strain, as the most kind of body, mind, playful, fun combination.
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It's interesting.
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People ask me about that all the time, like, which strain should I use and should I do?
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And I just say, I don't think anybody can really claim expertise on that because your constitution, what you've eaten, what you're thinking, the room you're in,
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Who grew those mushrooms?
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What was the energy of the people handling them and packaging them?
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There's so many other variables.
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Maybe there's some generalized sense.
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People say that albino penis envy is the most fun and most playful, but here you are saying golden teachers were the easiest and most fun.
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And there's a lot of people who are like, that's just, I was just so in my head.
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Other people have very.
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You know, a lot of people talk about mushrooms, like if it's a thinner body and a bigger head, it's gonna be in the head.
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If it's a broader body and a smaller head, it's gonna be much more body.
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honestly, like after 10 years in this space, I'm honestly, fuck if I know.
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I mean, there's so many other variables that come into play.
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I think if you're listening to this and you're curious about this and you could find a way to kind of legally participate in these things, because you might have an issue that
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you're trying to deal with, you're going to have to go into it a little bit with an open mind.
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But there are some genetic tests that people can do to kind of get an idea of how they're going to respond.
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And that's particularly true for DMT experiences because if you have strong MAO capacity, monoamine oxidase metabolizing capacity, you'll chew those things up really quickly.
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And so this is why ayahuasca is combined with an MAO inhibitor to actually sort of slow down the metabolism.
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But if you're a fast metabolizer, you can still almost keep pace with it, right?
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So it's very...
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I think one of the things that's missing in this field from a therapeutic perspective is actually doing the genetic work on people to understand, oh, OK, I see.
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This is going to be more likely for you to be this or that.
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And we'll adjust the dose or the pacing or whatever to keep you in a sweet sort of let's call it a therapeutic space as opposed to one that's either not therapeutic because it's
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too low or is beyond what it was you wanted to experience.
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Right.
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So, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so kind of interesting.
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Yeah, but it's a beautiful space.
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I've learned so much.
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I've really learned so much inside that space.
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Like you can't unsee it once you see it, right?
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It's been really instrumental in a lot of personal growth for me, which I think is lovely.
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I mean, you know, I'm here to grow and learn and...
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Expand into this 300 year old mind that we talked about, you know, a hundred year old body 300 year old mind is what we're going for when we're age 100 So expanding into that maybe
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a three thousand year old mind so expanding into that and rewiring the brain and having better perspective The interesting thing is that these mushrooms also seem to enhance
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Neural neuron growth and I went and had a an MRI scan about
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Four years ago now, I think, and they looked at my brain said, okay, well, it looks pretty good.
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you know, it's good for your age kind of thing.
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And then I went back and had another one done about now it's probably three or four months ago.
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And I had a lot more gray matter than I did previously.
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Yeah, like people's brains shrink over time, right?
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But the gray matter, which was a cellular component of the
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neurons, right?
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The white matter is the the myelin sheath and the the axons, if you will, the connectors.
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But the cell bodies were increasing in their density.
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And I'm like, well, well, that's a good thing.
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And that's what's been shown with things like micro dosing psilocybin or micro dosing LSD or some of these other things that you actually increase connectivity in the brain and the
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brain starts to like it.
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You can boost it with
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Other things too that boost BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor or other neurotrophic things.
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So we've been working around things that would augment the use of microdosing to make it even better for the individual, right?
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So that...
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the next product we're coming out with.
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It's called Maxstack.
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Mushrooms, adaptogens, aminos, cacao.
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we've basically, we've been researching for quite a while now, every single ingredient, I mean, there's so many, but then we've parsed them down, every single ingredient that can
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benefit a micro and a macro dose into a kind of ceremonial cacao and Ceylon cinnamon base.
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So it's interesting that you're saying that because we're...
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probably three or four months away from launching that product ah for exactly those purposes.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Now it's a noble thing.
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And the other thing that people need to realize is that when they're doing these microdose protocols, it's really one day on and two days off.
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You know, it's not like you're doing it every single day.
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The brain needs time to recover.
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It is a workout for the brain.
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Like if you do a macros, your brain will be tired.
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Like it just ran a marathon.
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I mean, you're pumping out a lot of energy to, you know, make those connections, create those, you know, those experiences, if you will.
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And on the micro side, think Paul Stamets was the one that started the one day on two days off.
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Dr.
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James Fadiman.
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Stamets will talk.
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He's expressed the Stamets protocol is either, depending on which podcast you hear him, it's either four days on and three days off or five days on and two days off.
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The Fadiman protocol is one day on and two days off.
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When they finally first met in the early 90s at one of the MAPS conventions,
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They asked each other how they developed their protocol and Stamets says, well, I have a lot of mushrooms, so I figured I shouldn't do them every day, but I can do them four or
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five days in a row.
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And Fatima is like, well, I hardly get mushrooms because I'm in a university, so I have to be really sparse with them and frugal.
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So I do one day on it, two days off.
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There's no science based in any of that.
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They just pulled that out of their asses based on.
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Now, there is some, we at Brain Supreme, our standard protocol is five days on, two days off.
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And then we have performance dosing.
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which is either in every other day or one day on two days off protocol.
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And then we have a peak day dosing protocol where you really understand your body and how to microdose and you're just gonna use it on peak days once a week, once every two weeks.
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You got a big workout or a big meeting at work and you kind of learn how to use it.
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But even that, Jeffrey, it's so predicated upon neurological needs.
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I work with some, so look, high achieving, well adjusted, successful human beings like yourself, possibly like myself.
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your the the every other day one day on two days off four days on three days off like that's probably something good for guys like you and I because it allows you to flush you
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definitely certain experience the benefit
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Yeah, you can experience benefit, then your brain does need to.
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with some veterans, PTSD, major depressive disorder, combat veterans, and they don't want to take a day off.
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They'll run six months straight.
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And I've realized as a microdose coach, hey man, if you're getting the benefit and your brain needs it that much, and it's creating anxiety for you to take your days off, just
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run it straight.
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The mushrooms, what happens with microdosing is the mushrooms have a sentient wisdom and they will let you know
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how you should be interacting with them when you develop your awareness.
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I think there's truth to that.
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think, you know, it's interesting you've created the stack that you have to support.
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We've created a stack also for all the different things.
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It's a little bit different than your stack.
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It's because it's focused on a little bit different part of the biology.
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But I think if you're listening to this, the point is you can just do this, I suppose.
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if you want to kind of support your body's ability to bake
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make BDNF or to increase axon connections or things like that.
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You can actually turbocharge the effects of these things.
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That's kind what we've figured out, right?
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Certain peptides and supplements.
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The next thing you know, it's kind of like you can go into these spaces where you're pretty clairvoyant and you can actually function at a very high level.
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So I think for me, it's what I'm, I'm an optimization kind of person, right?
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So
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It's like, okay, well, that's interesting.
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I wonder if we can make it better.
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Right.
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It's kind of like if I drive a car, it's like, well, it's like, it's nice.
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Well, I wonder if you could make it better.
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Yeah, we can make it better.
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So you see what I'm saying.
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So I'm always kind of looking at that through that lens.
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And I think, but it's cool that you've that you've made this.
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So tell us a little bit about your products.
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You have one strain that you've actually created.
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that blends the benefits of four different strains.
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Are there other things you go along with that?
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Yeah, so we have four different products currently.
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We have our flagship formula, Genius, and Genius combines 100 milligrams of psilocybin, what we call the brain supreme proprietary mushroom blend.
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That's our term that we use out there so we can sell online and have our packaging.
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But it is psilocybin.
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That's our kind of secret code that we have with our subscribers and our clients and customers.
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Genius combines 100 milligrams of our proprietary psilocybin with 400 milligrams of nootropics, amino acids, herbs, and so forth.
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That's our most nootropic formulation.
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Then we have Feelgood.
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That's 100 milligrams of psilocybin blended with 400 milligrams of adaptogenic herbs that are really good for mood and libido and emotional well-being.
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It's kind of our emotional well-being formula.
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Then we have Athleat.
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That's our performance formula.
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That's 100 milligrams of active blended with 400 milligrams of...
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natural testosterone boosters, cardiovascular support, recovery, so forth.
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And then we have BlackStack, that's our extra strength, that's 300 milligrams of active ingredient blended with nano curcumin, really high quality vitamin C and ginger.
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So that's our extra strength.
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And I tell most people, essentially microdosing for me,
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what I find, it's a slightly expensive supplement that you should notice.
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You should have a 5%, 10%, 15 % kind of bump in your overall neurocognition, efficacy, mood, libido, patience.
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We get a lot about witness consciousness, which is what you were referring to earlier.
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You're not your thought, you're the witness to your thought, you're not your body, you're the witness to your body.
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It just helps you develop some space so you're not quite as attached and volatile and reactive.
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We get a lot of feedback along those lines.
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the the formulas the The secret ingredient seems to do most of the heavy lifting, know the it's the uh the different formulations people will react kind of differently to them I
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tend to stack I do the performance protocol because I'm very into fitness and I like to train and work out very very hard So I go on Monday Wednesday Friday protocol where I go a
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little heavier I'll take two genius and two athlete about an hour before my workout.
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So I go with a 400 milligram microdose
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Mm-hmm.
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workouts are flow state.
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I have lot of athletes, professional athletes, amateur athletes, and they will do one practice day and one game day on the performance protocol.
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I always tell people, figure it out on practice day.
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Don't do it during game day until you know what you're doing.
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But most people will start, I tell most people start with Genius.
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That's our flagship, that's our best seller.
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Reviews are incredible on it.
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It's highly effective.
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And then from Genius, you can kind of expand outward.
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and play with your protocols and so forth.
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But start with the supplement protocol.
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We have this, coaching protocol works with demystify, familiarize, personalize.
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First, if you carry any stigmas, you gotta demystify that.
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It's not a big deal.
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It's a slightly expensive supplement that you should notice.
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There's no known counter.
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No, no, no.
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tends to work synergistically with pharmaceutical products, all other supplements and so forth.
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So start very small, just demystify and then start to familiarize yourself with the products like, hey, I think I like to do Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday with one capsule,
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Thursday, Friday, I scale to two capsules, I take the weekend off.
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And then you might have some high performance alpha types.
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They're very into fitness.
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I really like the performance protocol because it puts me in flow states for my workouts.
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So I take a micro dose, I take a...
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three feel good on Tuesday and Thursday or Tuesday, Friday, my two main training days.
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then you, you know, once you familiarize, you really start to personalize your process of microdosing and there really isn't any right way to go about it.
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You know, it's,
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right.
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think you want to listen to your body on it.
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um And sleep becomes very important as well.
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You want to have good sleep because it is your brain is doing more work when it's interacting with the psychoactive, right?
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Which is cool because it's actually up regulating brain function.
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But there's also a certain amount of work that's being done.
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So that's where getting good sleep to recover things like that become very important.
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You know, here's something I'd like to.
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the microdose.
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okay.
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Well, you go first because I'm going to remember my question.
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So finish your talk, please.
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I'm sorry.
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Okay, yeah, that's fine.
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I was just going to say when it comes to microdosing, know, 100 milligrams is probably considered a pretty normal microdose, 100, 200 milligrams.
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When we get to a point of like three or 400 milligrams, we're starting to talk about what we call a macro micro in that it's...
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the recreational range.
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So for me...
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it's macro micro and others you're going to feel that at 400.
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Right.
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So.
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But I find if you do it an hour before you work out, you burn that feeling off and then the benefits to the microdose linger without the day and the next day and then you go
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again.
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That flow state dosing is amazing.
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Yeah.
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mean, I think I think everybody that accesses those loves them.
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you want to know my, it's interesting about FlowState, one of my fastest growing sectors of new clients, new customers are middle-aged pickleballers and they all do performance
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dosing because they're so competitive, they love the sport so much and the ball seems huge.
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Their reaction time, life just slows down, their processing slows down.
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I mean, they're processing faster but their processing speeds up so uh it's very interesting.
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Here's one thing I want to run by you with the prolific amount of education and research that you seem to have in this field, a real expert.
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It's wonderful to speak with you about these things.
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So when I do my microdose coaching, the only real side effect that I ever get, there's two.
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There's sleepiness on the first week or so of microdosing and there's occasional headaches.
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And what I have found over
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the 3000 plus conversations as a microdose coach as I've been developing this brand.
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The coaching came as a result of just having hundreds and hundreds and now thousands of conversations as I was hand selling these things and calling in by for feedback two days
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later and so forth is a sleepiness and headache.
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And what I found is that it almost always deals with improper mineralization and dehydration that their brain that the psilocybin because it's activating their brain in
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new ways.
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that it's causing more brain activity that you suggest and it's exposing the fact that they're a little dehydrated and they don't have good salts and
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minerals.
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So I'm batting 1,000 % with this.
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Whenever somebody's sleepy or they get headaches, I say, drink more water, good water, filtered water, make sure you have a good filtration, try to get the fluoride out and so
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forth.
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Add high quality electrolytes, add high quality salt to your diet, Baja Gold or Celtic salt is what I recommend, and then add a magnesium complex
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one in the morning and then a little heavier at night, something like bio-optimizers, magnesium breakthrough.
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And I'm batting a thousand that the headaches and sleepiness go away.
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So I was curious, like, does that sound like, from your understanding of neuroanatomy and psilocybin, does that sound kind of like right on as a diagnosis and remedy?
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Yeah, it does.
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works on the brain in certain ways.
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The way that we think about it, what we've had success with is boosting NAD and decreasing oxidative stress with molecular hydrogen.
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So when we do that...
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like the bottles or do you like the new tablets that go in the water?
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What do you think is more effective?
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We like the tablets because you get a higher concentration and they're portable.
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So yeah, we have a product.
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We have a product that we developed that's yeah, it's called H2 energy.
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We have another one called H2 chill.
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So you can take H2 energy at the beginning when you're going to play pickleball or go for your mountain bike ride or whatever flow state you want to get into.
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um And then later in the day, can take the H2 chill and it's full of magnesium, right?
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The tablets are full of magnesium.
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Right.
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And so that's easy.
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And then we like to boost NAD because it is a workout for the brain.
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And so we use a couple of different supplements to boost NAD, Neuchedo Time and Vitality.
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And we combine it with some Apigenin.
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And when you do that, you know, you're basically boosting your...
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mitochondria's ability to make ATP and the hydrogen is basically taking care of the reactive oxygen species that are generated and making the ATP.
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So it's a kind of a sweet combination.
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There's a few other things we add to it as well, depending on what we're trying to do, but those two are kind of at the heart of it.
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Yeah, I could set you up with some of the H2 stuff.
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I'd love it.
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we'll talk after all, because we blast all our podcasts out to our email subscriber list.
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So maybe we can kind of swap discount codes or something, because I'm sure my people would be fascinated.
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that'd be great.
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Okay, let's do that.
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Awesome, Adam.
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Well, congratulations on what you're doing.
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it's a field that's very important, quite honestly.
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We also know some people that are doing microdosing with OCHUMA, which is from Cactus, which is mescaline, and getting some really interesting results with that, where they're
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able to help people get off their EDD medications and things like that, combining microdosing, Wachuma one day with microdosing, either psilocybin or LSD, you know, taking
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a day off kind of thing, going back and forth.
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You know, it's kind of a custom fit as to how you put those together.
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But they work a little bit differently in the brain.
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One of the things about the Wachuma is that it is
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an unbelievably social molecule in that it really tears down the separation that we feel.
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In the spiritual sense, we're all connected.
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I mean, it's just we're really all connected.
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And yet we walk down the street feeling isolated.
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And there's a sense of the other and the sense of us.
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What the wachuma does is it breaks down all those barriers.
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It's just like, oh, no.
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I don't know if you ever read this story by uh Andy Weir called The Egg.
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Did you ever read that?
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So short story, right?
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So in that story, you know, he's killed in a car crash and he goes to heaven or wherever he goes.
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And then God is showing him all this stuff.
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And at the end of the story, it's really you can look it up on if you're listening to this, go look it up on Google or whatever.
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It's a short story.
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You can read it in 10 minutes.
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But at the end, he has this epiphany that
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actually, we're everybody.
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Right.
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And that was such a game changer for me when I read that.
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It's like, no, I'm you and you're me.
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And so if you're me, because we're connected spiritually, it's like, hey, hey, Adam, how are you doing?
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Right.
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How are you doing?
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Right.
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Because there's a sense of care and connection there that you wouldn't have.
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And what I that was a cognitive insight that I had.
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then with things like the Wachuma, it becomes an experiential reality.
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like, hey, Adam, how are you?
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Right.
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And there's this connection, this sense of connection that develops this incredibly super sweep, especially for humans as we get more more isolated on our phones and electronics
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and, you know, all the other stuff.
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yes, flow states are great and cognitive ability is great, but it's really great to, um, to have sort of community, if you will, with people and kind of take down the barriers.
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so that's kind of a cool thing too.
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I can build on that in a very personal way.
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Like if people ever ask me, I've been microdosing now pretty much seven years, when people ask me like, have you noticed any long-term benefit?
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Like the single most profound long-term benefit that I've noticed is what I call the etheric mycelial field.
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So mycelium are the, you know this, but for listeners out there, that's the root fibers of the mushrooms and they interconnect the virus and they can relay information.
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The movie,
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uh Fantastic fungi does a great job illuminating how the mycelial networks of the forest.
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But what I found after seven years of microdosing is what I call the etheric mycelial field.
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So from my heart and from my mind, I feel these fibers go out and they just connect me with people in deep, meaningful and profound ways.
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It's often the relationships are intuitive.
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They're incredibly meaningful and like I'll know when to give.
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Now I know when to receive.
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And then I'll also know when the root fibers are just not going anywhere, just cuts your losses, it's not happening.
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So exactly what you're saying in terms of this more meaningful interconnectivity with all life, humans, nature, everything, I've noticed that profoundly in my own life.
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No, that's cool.
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I love hearing that.
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Yeah.
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And to your point, is, it is humans, but with some of these other experiences, particularly on some of the macro, you do get connected with all life, right?
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All of it, like all of it, you know, even alien life or wherever life is, you get connected to all of it when you go out there far enough.
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It's pretty, pretty amazing.
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So.
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that I, let me run this by you.
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I've been talking about this a lot recently.
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I had a psychedelic experience and I kind of realized this.
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For me, psilocybin works on a vertical corridor.
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So it's the morphogenic energy of the earth, the Kaushik records, wisdom of the earth compressed into this mushroom.
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That energy
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explodes into you and opens up the consciousness so your vertical column the connection to the heavens and then it very much becomes a vertical conversation from the heavens through
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you to the earth back and forth so that you here on earth in this plane are more healthy happy well adapted to live a full life on this earth plane the other psychedelics lsd and
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DMT and so forth they tend to work on a horizontal plane a little more so
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shit comes in that's completely wild from like the outside that's not necessarily of this earth or seemingly of the heavens.
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It's a horizontal plane that you're kind of entering into.
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Personally, personally,
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it's either horizontal or it's spherical on some level, you know, where it's going in every direction.
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yeah.
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But would you do you have any like thoughts on my kind of the vertical axis versus more of the horizontal axis?
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Um, it's an interesting construct, right?
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I think, I will say that, you know, with psilocybin, it's a very, you're very present, right?
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You're very much present.
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You're present to what is you're present to the, to the person or the people that you're with.
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You're present to the music that's playing.
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You're very present to the sand under your feet or the ocean that you just dove into, or the clouds that you're looking at.
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So there's a really strong sense of being.
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connected and present, I think in some of the other things like 5MeO or Ayahuasca or things like that, it's not that you're not connected, but you're actually going to other
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places, right?
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It's not like you're really connected to the other people in the room.
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You're just, out someplace, right?
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You're in hyperspace someplace.
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I had a recent experience with an NNDMT pen.
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That's the spirit, five MEO is the God molecule, the NN is the spirit molecule.
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And it's very short.
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It's like 20 minute experience.
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dude, I was in a fractal zone of ancient Phoenicia.
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I mean, I know of ancient Phoenicia, but like, I don't think about it.
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I never thought I had a past life experience, but literally I was in ancient Phoenicia energetically, like with my wife, with my kids, something to do with ships.
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And there was this entity, this ancient Phoenician entity that didn't feel right that visited me and offered me all this prosperity.
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And I said, you don't really feel right to me.
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See you later.
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And it sizzled and went away.
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And when I came back to the beams in my house right behind me, they have a little texturing to them.
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They were these Phoenician ships that were just rowing back and forth.
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The beams had this life and the beams were talking to me.
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They're like, we've been around a long time.
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Like this wood here.
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Yeah.
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seeing a lot of lot of eons and eons and eons and it was wild.
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Yeah, no, there's wild stuff like that I think it really will take reality and and bend it distort it, you know reinvent it all of a sudden, you know, it's it's unrecognizable on
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some level and I think this idea of fractal patterns I don't know if you've been tracking what's going on with the coin in the quantum computing space But have you heard of the
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Omega code that
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Yeah, I've heard of the Omega code and I have my own theory about how it relates to Danny Goeller and the DMT experiments and what they're finding like this code, this field of
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super consciousness that exists beyond our perceptible layer of consciousness.
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uh
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so in the quantum computing, they're now beginning to understand that consciousness doesn't arise from structure.
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Its structure arises from consciousness.
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And the structure that arises with the Omega code is, and they're actually testing this now, that there's a single equation.
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It's a fractal, it's a recursive equation, mathematical equation that
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spontaneously creates and it just spontaneously creates.
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And so the idea is now what they've done is they've actually through the quantum computing chips, they've identified this equation that they think can actually bring together all
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the different activities in the universe.
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And so they've gone back and retroactively looked at it and applied it kind of like you would look back at the stock market and say, well, what equation would fit what's
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happening?
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But now they're taking the Omega code and really over the next couple of months, they're looking at, we predict what's happening with solar flares, with gas giants blowing up or
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whatever, neutron stars or supernovas or whatever?
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Can we actually predict what's happening out there utilizing this equation?
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So it's a really interesting time that we live in, where everything that we thought we knew, we don't really know.
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I, you're, if you're listening to this and this whole thing sounds pretty, crazy or out there, I have to tell you that in physics, they took a quantum computer chip and they
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basically put together, general relativity with quantum mechanics, which of course I've been trying to do for over a hundred years.
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Right.
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So you've got Einstein's theory of relativity, which doesn't really account for what happens at the macros microscopic plane.
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And then you've got the microscopic plane that doesn't really account for what happens in the large plane, right?
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m And so in relativity, nothing goes faster than the speed of light in the quantum plane.
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Two particles can be entangled and they can be a million light years away.
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And when one changes, the other changes instantaneously, right?
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So they've never been able to figure out, how is that happening?
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They stick the quantum computer on it and it basically put it all together in a six dimensional.
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construct, mathematical construct.
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Right.
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So my point is that as humans, we think we know stuff and yet what we, what we, what we know is we, kind of know what we know.
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I think what's fascinating to me is are all the things we don't know that would make our knowing of them better in this, in this life.
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Right.
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I think that's a really, really fascinating thing.
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And so
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The work that you're doing, the space that you're working in is, you know, bumping into that, right?
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It's bumping into that.
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So it's all very cool.
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Yeah, cool.
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Well, listen, Adam, a pleasure chatting with you.
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Oh, it was great.
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Yeah, it was great.