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896. Bible Study: Job 2 (Continued Bad things, Satan's role, Discernment, Friends) · Faith by annm2705

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  Job chapter 2 first, let's pray dear Lord, please be with us as
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  we read through this chapter and let the Holy Spirit give us
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  wisdom and insight and discernment.
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  We ask this in Jesus name Amen. So on another day chapter 2 on
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  another day. So the first chapter was about
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  about a specific day when Satan was talking to God about Job,
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  and God allowed Satan to have access to Job's belongings, his
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  children, and his things that he owned, and Satan kind of
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  destroyed them. And so now another day the
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  angels came back to present themselves before the Lord, and
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  Satan came with them to present himself before him.
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  And the Lord said to Satan, Where have you come from?
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  Satan answered the Lord, From roaming throughout the earth,
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  going back and forth on it. Then the Lord said to Satan,
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  Have you considered my servant Job?
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  There is no one on earth like him.
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  He is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns
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  evil, and he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me
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  against him to ruin him without any reason.
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  So I'm going to well, I'll just keep reading.
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  Skin for skin, Satan replied. A man will give all he has for
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  his own life, but now stretch out your hand and strike his
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  flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.
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  The Lord said to Satan, Very well then, if he is in your
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  hand, very well then he is in your hands, but you must spare
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  his life. So Satan went out from the
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  presence of the Lord, and afflicted Job with painful sores
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  from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head.
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  Then Job took a piece of broken pottery and scraped himself with
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  his with it. As he sat among the ashes.
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  His wife said to him, Are you still maintaining your
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  integrity? Curse dot God and die, he
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  replied. You are talking like a foolish
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  woman. Shall we accept good from God
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  and not trouble? In all this?
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  Job did not sin in what he said. When Job's three friends,
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  Elephas the Timonite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the
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  Nemethite, heard about all the troubles that had come upon him,
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  they set out from their homes and met together by agreement to
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  go and sympathize with him and comfort him.
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  When they saw him from a distance, they could hardly
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  recognize him. They began to weep aloud and
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  tore their robes and sprinkled dust on their heads.
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  Then they sat on the ground with him for seven days and seven
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  nights. No one said a word to him
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  because they saw how great his suffering was.
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  So that's the end of chapter 2. There's a lot in here.
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  I'm going to just go through the things that stood out to me as I
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  read this and then I'll go through the study Bible
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  questions. Lastly, so we see that Satan was
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  in, you know, this is the second time now that Satan's back in
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  front of God with Job. But we see that God is the one
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  who is saying to Satan, you know, he still maintains
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  integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without
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  any reason. So again, this shows about what
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  Satan does. He's the accuser.
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  He's always looking for fault. So when we have things in our
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  minds or thoughts that accuse us that, you know, sometimes it's
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  the holy, not the let's see, the Holy Spirit will convict us.
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  Satan will accuse us. The Holy Spirit.
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  I, I think like guilt is as much as we don't like it, it's
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  probably a good thing. Because if we feel guilt, that
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  means we know we should have done something, but we didn't do
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  it or we know we should not have done something and we did it.
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  And I believe that is probably from the Holy Spirit.
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  And that is a prompting that wants us to reconcile with God.
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  Now the accuser is just shaming and just badgering somebody and
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  not giving any kind of restoration.
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  Like with guilt, there is there is this kind of like you just
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  feel uncomfortable. And I know we hate it when it
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  happens to us, but I think it's a good thing from God if we
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  respond to it. If we feel guilty about
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  something we did, that means we know we did something wrong.
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  And that's God reminding us that we need to reconcile with him.
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  But if we get this accusation of all these like negative things
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  just popping in our head about ourselves, that's from the enemy
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  because God it, you know, throughout the Bible, everything
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  about, you know, I guess believer friends and so forth
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  are supposed to build people up to restore people in their
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  relationship with God, not destroy them.
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  And Satan seeks to destroy them. So and there's a there's a fine
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  line to that. And there's also perception that
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  affects how people react when the objective is restoration
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  with God, because when somebody feels guilty, they're going to
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  lash out. And and that's just human nature
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  because we don't ever we don't like it.
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  We don't like guilt. We don't want to be told we're
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  wrong when we especially when we know we're wrong and then we get
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  confirmation from somebody else that we're wrong.
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  We don't like that. So we'll lash out at another
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  person because of that. And that's just human nature.
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  That's the fleshly nature coming out.
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  If it was a godly, if we were responding by the Holy Spirit
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  and somebody godly said something to us, you know, that
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  was re trying to restore us to Christ, then we our response
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  would be humility. It would be, yes, we know we did
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  something wrong and yes, you are reminding me.
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  And maybe the Holy Spirit in, you know, inspired you to say
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  something to me. And I don't like it because I
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  don't like being at odds with God.
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  And I want to restore that relationship because I love God.
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  And it it hurts to hear somebody else or to have somebody else
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  say something that might hit hard at home.
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  That's just like what the Bible does when we read some of it,
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  there are things in it that will hit us and just make us think,
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  oh, gosh, I do that or that sounds like me.
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  And it's something negative in the Bible.
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  And God's not trying to do that to shame us.
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  He's trying to do that to wake us up.
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  Look at what's happening to you. Get rid of that.
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  Get rid of that sin. In God's Kingdom, there will be
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  no sin. So if we're hanging on to sin
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  right now, we're hanging on to something that's not going to go
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  with us in eternity. So anyway, going back to chapter
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  2, God is the one who says something.
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  And this is my theory. This is like, I don't know even
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  know if I should say this, but I'm just going to mention
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  something that I mentioned in chapter 1.
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  Take it or leave it. I don't know if this is right,
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  but I'm just going to say this is like a theory like I thought
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  before, maybe God was actually trying to wake Satan up and say,
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  look at Job, he's a good guy. He's like, he's responding
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  positively to me. Even though you did all these
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  things, like what about you, Satan?
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  Maybe that's what God was doing with us.
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  I don't know, but that's just the way I'm seeing this.
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  And so he's allowing it and, and again, God knows our thoughts.
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  So God probably knows how far, you know, like there how far he
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  can kind of test Job and still keep it good with him, which is
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  interesting because I've, I've heard before, and I don't know
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  where that is in Scripture, but I've heard that, you know, that
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  God only tests us to the limit that we can handle.
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  And God always provides a way out.
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  That's The thing is God does provide a way out whenever we
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  get tested. So anyway, Job is still
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  maintaining his integrity even though Satan's accusing him.
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  And so then Satan, you know, says basically, let's step it up
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  a notch. Let's do something even more.
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  Let's go at him directly. Maybe it didn't affect him as
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  much with his kids or his belongings, but now let's go
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  after him or, you know, can I go after him?
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  That's what Satan's asking God and he says, and Satan is so
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  sure of himself, like as soon as something starts happening to
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  Job, he's going to curse God. He's going to go after you.
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  He's not going to like you anymore.
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  That's like Satan just saying, I know this and God's like, OK,
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  sure. Well, go ahead.
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  And then look at this. God does not do this to Job, but
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  he says very well then he is in your hands.
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  So God has the ultimate authority.
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  He's allowing Satan to do these harmful things to Job, who is
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  righteous and but he says he limits on it.
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  He said, but you must spare his life because we know that the
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  enemy seeks to steal like he stole his belongings, some of
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  his camels and things and he sees to kill like ultimately
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  that's what Satan wants to do. He was to kill Job, but God
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  saying, no, you can't have his life and he wants to destroy.
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  Well, he did destroy all of Job's things.
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  So God says, OK, you can go and do this.
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  So Satan left God's presence and then he afflicted.
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  So Satan afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of
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  his feet to the crown of his head, his whole entire body.
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  So we have to think about like illnesses.
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  This is scriptural proof that the enemy of God will inflict
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  illnesses on people. And this is also proof here that
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  God didn't do this. He allowed it.
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  He allowed it. There was a purpose behind it.
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  And we don't always know God's purpose.
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  So here I think, I mean, this is just my thoughts.
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  It's not biblically stated, but I kind of think that God's, you
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  know, showing Satan this, like this is actually a test for
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  Satan and he doesn't even know this.
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  And this will, you know, it's what you reap, you will sow.
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  And that's probably why Satan gets thrown into this burning
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  lake of sulfur because of all these things that Satan has done
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  to all these people to try to destroy them.
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  It's like what you sow, you will reap.
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  I mean, that's in the Bible and we have to think about that like
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  what we do in life, we are going to get in return.
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  That's a biblical principle and and we need to really reflect on
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  that like that. Are we doing godly things to
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  others or are we doing things that we wouldn't want done to
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  us? I mean, just like, you know,
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  the, the quote, the golden rule that people talk about, like
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  treat others the way you want to be treated.
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  Well, there's a biblical principle behind it because what
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  you sow, you will reap. So Job is in pain and he's got
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  broken pottery that's scraping himself.
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  I don't know, he's trying to get it off.
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  It's painful. I don't know if they're like
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  itching kind of sores or something.
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  But God is, is is certainly testing Joe, but he also knows
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  kind of what Joe will do. Now Job's wife said to him, are
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  you still maintaining his integrity?
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  Curse God and die. Why would she say that?
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  Why would she want her husband to die?
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  Why would she want her husband to curse God?
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  That just it reminds me of other parts in the Bible where I think
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  Satan influenced his wife. And you know, Satan will come
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  after the closest people to you, just like he even did with
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  Jesus, with Peter, with Judas. Satan leapt into Judas and
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  caused Judas to betray Jesus. And then afterwards he, I
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  probably accused Judas. So Judas, eventually, it's
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  thought that he actually took his life, his own life as a
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  result of the guilt and remorse. Now The thing is, I, I, I want
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  to hope that maybe Judas came to repentance because he gave the
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  money back to the temple. And so maybe God saw that and
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  maybe Judas is going to be restored in God's Kingdom.
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  See, God can do whatever he wants to do even though he
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  betrayed Jesus. I don't know if that's the case.
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  We don't know what God's final decision was, but we can have
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  hope for people that if they come to repentance, then they
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  can be restored in Christ. And anyway, here we're, you
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  know, this is talking about, I think Satan is influencing Job's
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  wife, the person closest to him, and she's telling him, curse God
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  and die. That's horrible advice and he
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  saw it too. He had strong faith.
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  He knows God and he had discernment.
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  So he did not listen to his wife, unlike Adam who listened
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  to Eve. Job replied.
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  You are talking like a foolish woman.
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  Shall we accept good from God and not trouble?
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  So in all this, Job did not sin in what he said like he, his,
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  his love of God wasn't going to falter.
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  Then Job's three friends come and these are really interesting
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  guys. And I, you know, this is, I'm
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  reading this with a different perspective this time as opposed
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  to 2019 when I first read this book, but I'm seeing a lot more
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  detail in it, which is what happens in Scripture.
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  The more you're in it, the more detail things you see.
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  So first you have for Joba's perspective, he has his wife
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  who's giving him this really bad information, like she should be
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  supporting him, encouraging him and, you know, turning him to
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  God or being positive, being uplifting, but she's not, she's
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  just making it worse. Then we have OK, now we have 3
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  friends coming along and three again, that number 3 is kind of
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  important. We were let's see, I looked it
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  up. That's kind of like harmony or
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  completeness is 3. There's like the Trinity.
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  That's a significant number. Again, if this is just a
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  parable, it is telling us some truths, spiritual truths, but
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  it's also, you know, there's so many symbolic things in it.
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  If if it is just a parable just to show people a spiritual
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  reality. And again he talks about 7 days
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  and seven nights sitting with him.
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  Sometimes I will not sometimes. But as I read this, I was
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  wondering. So 7 is also completion.
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  And it made me think about Jacob's trouble in the end times
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  where there is a Daniel, there's a final week of years, seven
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  years to where Israel or Jacob will have to go through trouble.
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  And again, this is the whole, the whole point of this is
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  basically discipline so that they can repent and turn to God
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  and call on God. And again, this is kind of
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  interesting that the friends sat with him for seven days and
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  seven nights. And I wonder if it is symbolic
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  and something that God was essentially showing that there's
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  going to be time, there's going to be trouble.
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  This trouble lasts for seven days and seven nights, and
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  you're going to have your friends surrounding you.
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  And they came. Now look at how they came.
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  When they heard about him, they went to him and they decided by
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  agreement. It says they met together by
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  agreement. So they were all in agreement to
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  go and sympathize with him and comfort him.
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  So that's their intention. Now, I recall what happens later
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  on in the book of Job. And what happens is they don't
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  say comforting things. They start accusing him.
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  So by reading this right now and knowing what's happens in future
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  chapters, Satan probably got to the friends too.
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  So. And gosh, I experienced that
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  too. It's like every single aspect of
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  my life, it seemed like was going wrong.
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  A lot of times in life, you'll have one aspect go wrong, but
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  you have something at another aspect of your life that's going
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  well. And so then you focus on what's
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  going well and you stay away from the things that are going
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  bad as much as you can. And, and so again, this is like
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  when I, when I was praying to God, because I was, I was trying
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  to do the things that I knew were in God's will.
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  And, and then these things started happening to me and I
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  was afraid to tell anybody because I thought nobody will
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  want to come to God if they know that this happens.
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  But now I tell people the truth. It's kind of like Jesus says
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  like to, to, you know, like before you decide to follow, you
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  know, you should look at the, at what it means to follow and that
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  we have to pick up our own cross.
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  Like it doesn't mean that our Rd. is going to be blissful and
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  joyful and nothing happens. Like that's what I thought was
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  going to happen. When I turned my life over, I
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  saw that there was bad stuff in my life and I regretted it and I
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  wanted to get rid of it and I wanted my life to be different
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  and I wanted my life. It was kind of, it was selfish,
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  I guess, because I wanted life to be better.
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  And that's how I started seeking God, which isn't the right way,
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  but a lot of people do come that way because they don't really
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  know God. They know of him, but they don't
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  truly know him. And you get to know God through
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  the Bible and through prayers and, and supernaturally if God
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  chooses to reveal himself to you in that way.
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  So anyway, I, I didn't have any of that happening in my life and
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  I hadn't read the Bible and things were going really wrong.
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  But my intentions were good with God in, in restoring that
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  relationship. And, and so this was, I was
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  pleading with God. I was like, why, why, why is
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  this happening? And I saw my book on my night
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  stand and I thought, OK, I'm just going to open it up and see
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  what is here. You know, like kind of praying.
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  I don't even remember exactly what I said to God or, you know,
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  I just know that the book was there, The Bible was there.
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  And I decided to open it randomly and I opened it to the
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  book of Job. And then I started reading and
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  then it kind of, it woke me up. It was like, Oh my gosh, this is
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  what is happening to me at that moment.
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  And this was the very first book of the Bible that I ever read.
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  So anyway, not to get into that, but I'm I'm saying, I guess what
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  I'm trying to say is the stuff that's in here in job I
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  experienced in my own life, not to the degree or the severity
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  that job did, but to some degree something similar to that.
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  And so that I mean, I believe this 100% and I encourage others
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  to believe this. Don't think this is just a
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  made-up story, a fairy tale or anything.
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  This is in the Bible for a reason.
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  It's in here so that we know what's happening in our life
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  when it happens. And when you know you can, you
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  can battle it spiritually with Christ, like with the Holy
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  Spirit, you can overcome this. And that's what the good news
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  is, is that God provides us a way to defeat this.
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  As you see, God is actually in control of this.
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  He could tell Satan enough. Stop it right now.
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  But there is this testing and I, I kind of, I don't know because
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  only God decides these things. But if we know that we are being
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  tested by the enemy of God by something evil and we ask God to
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  remove it or we ask God to show me, what is it in my life that I
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  need to address because these things are happening to me.
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  Like what do I need to get rid of in my life?
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  Or what do I need to change? Or what are you upset with me
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  about? Like what not maybe upset.
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  What is it that I allowed in my life that needs to go?
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  Like God wants sin out of our life.
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  And that's essentially like what what needs to go?
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  And God will reveal it if if we seek him, we will find him.
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  It says that in Scripture. So his friends come and they're
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  sad. They weep aloud.
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  They tore the robes and sprinkled dust on their heads.
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  That's a sign of grief. They're just seeing him.
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  And they're probably looking at this, this very wealthy,
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  successful man and just saying, Oh my goodness, look at what
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  he's become. Everything that he had was taken
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  away from him. Now, physically, he's a mess.
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  And they were just probably shocked to see him this way.
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  And they just sat with him. So they were somewhat being true
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  friends, just sitting with him while he was there.
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  They didn't even know what to say to him because they saw how
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  great his suffering was. So that's the way this chapter
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  ends. And that is I will go through
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  the study, Bibles, questions and answers now and then wrap this
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  one up. Why does Satan mingle with God's
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  angels here? Angels literally mean the sons
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  of God. Though hard to imagine, Satan
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  himself was once a quote Son of God.
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  Created originally to serve the Lord as a spiritual being.
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  He came with the others to talk to God.
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  On the other hand, some note that Satan's purpose in coming
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  was to accuse. They suggest that the phrase
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  with them means Satan came as an intruder.
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  Well, the other thing that I want to mention is that there
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  are fallen angels as well. So it doesn't say if they're
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  like good angels or bad angels or there's maybe a mixture.
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  But obviously if the angels are serving the Lord, they're going
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  to be in front. They're going to be in front of
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  the Lord, and if they're there to serve him, it could be good
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  ones and bad ones and God created them.
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  So there's probably more to that.
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  How did Satan incite God? This is typical Old Testament
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  language explaining supernatural things in human terms.
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  However, this does not imply that God can be urged to do
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  anything against his will. It was God, in fact, who pointed
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  Job out to Satan, not the other way around.
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  As it was, God used Satan's evil intentions as an opportunity for
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  both God and Job to prove their faithfulness to each other.
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  You know, like I said, maybe, maybe God was proving to Satan.
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  Look, this guy had it so much worse than you and he is still
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  faithful to me. And and then Satan, you know, he
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  would have had the opportunity to reflect on himself, but he
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  was full of pride and he would not do that as we see by example
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  throughout Scripture that that was just not in him.
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  He was, he was going to remain prideful and he, you know, not
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  see his own flaws. But look at Job and Job wasn't
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  doing anything wrong. He was just Satan was thinking,
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  well, how can I get to him? How can I destroy him?
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  And that's what it says Satan does.
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  He seeks to steal, to kill, to destroy.
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  And so when we see things in our life that are stealing or
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  destroying or killing, that's the enemy of God.
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  That is not God. So what kind of sores did Job
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  have? We don't know Job's actual
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  ailment, but some of his symptoms described throughout
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  the book suggest a combination of physical problems,
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  disfigurement, parasites, skin infections, hallucinations,
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  emaciation, sharp pains, and fever.
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  Job sores may have been boils, painful bacterial infections of
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  the skin. Does God send trouble as well as
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  good? In a sense, yes.
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  In a different context, the Lord himself said I bring prosperity
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  and create disaster. I, the Lord, do all these
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  things. That's found in Isaiah 45 or 7.
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  Some argue that God only permits or allows trouble.
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  Others say that God is so completely in control that
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  nothing can touch His people without first going through His
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  hand. Because Job trusted in God, he
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  concluded that trouble from God was better than comfort and ease
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  without God. He was confident that God had
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  his best interest at heart, even though he could not understand
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  how that could be true in His present situation.
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  This is really interesting. I actually underlined that in my
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  study Bible. He was confident that God had
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  his best interest at heart restoration, even though he
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  could not understand how that could be true in his present
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  situation. That is thinking the best of
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  God. How often do we think the best
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  of God? How often do we think the best
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  of others? The others don't always deserve
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  being thought of in the best light, but God certainly does.
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  God is good and God does care for His children.
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  He does discipline His children. Now here Job is not being
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  disciplined by God for anything he did.
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  He is being tested and there are many of God's followers who do
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  get tested and it's there's maybe a lesson in it.
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  There's a lesson for somebody. It's not just random.
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  So personally, my opinion is that I think it's a lesson for
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  Satan, but I don't know that for certain.
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  Where did Job's friends come from?
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  Only the homeland of Iliphas can be located with certainty.
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  Teeman was an Edomite city South of the Dead Sea, considered a
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  center of wisdom at that time. Bildad may have descended from
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  the eastern tribe of Shua, Abraham's youngest son.
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  Some think that Zophar, the Namathite, a word that occurs
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  nowhere else in the Bible, came from Arabia.
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  How close were Job and his friends?
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  Job and his friends may have been exceptionally close, but to
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  sit in Silent Morning for a week was also much more typical of
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  their culture than ours. Job lived in a much slower paced
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  society than ours and hospitality was considered one
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  of the highest virtues. So that is the end of chapter 2.
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  I try to stay in the Bible, at least a chapter a day to really
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  study it and think about what these these books of the Bible
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  say to us today in addition to knowing what it was back then.
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  you come back again. Thank you.