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The King Dems Podcast - Ep. 5 with Nancy Korsah (Founder and CEO of Black Business Enterprises) · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  All right, ladies and gentlemen, you're welcome once again to the
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  Kingdom support cast. And today we have with me a very
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  special woman. She is a symbol of black hope, a
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  very powerful black woman. And her name is Nancy Corsa.
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  And interesting Nancy Corsa. You're the first female on the
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  kingdom's podcast. Wow.
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  Very much for coming up, but today, How are you doing?
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  Honoured to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
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  And I'm honoured that I'm the first woman on this podcast.
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  How how incredible. And I'm.
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  I'm ready to go. Interested.
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  Interested. So congratulations on your
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  recently concluded UH Winter Wonderland experience at 2023.
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  So can you talk to us briefly about that?
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  Oh, of course. So Winter Wonderland is actually
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  only one of our many, many events.
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  It's our year end event for Black Business Enterprises.
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  Black Business Enterprises is my company and we are located in 48
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  states in the US in 22 countries And my sole goal is to bring
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  black excellence out. I want to show all of us that we
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  are out here and we are doing an incredible thing.
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  So what better way to bring us than to bring us all in one
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  room? Well, with that, that is
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  fantastic. I hope to to see a lot of
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  progress in the future, right? But there, before we delve into
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  the things that you do, let's ask who is Nancy Corsa?
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  How do you see yourself? Who do you think you are?
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  Ohh, thank you. What a great question.
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  So who am I? I was born and raised in Italy.
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  My parents are from West Africa. Ghana and I lived in Italy half
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  of my life and moved to Minnesota.
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  I'm sorry, America. Back in 2001 when 911 happened
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  and of course moving to Minnesota, moving to America
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  just really taught me that wow, black people are not treated the
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  same everywhere. Africans are not treated the
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  same around the world. And as the through and through
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  immigrant. I wanted to really establish
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  myself and really show my culture, which is the Ghanaian
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  culture, as well as what I learned in Italy, which was the
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  family environment, and bring it to America, which meant growing
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  large communities of people and bringing people together.
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  So that's why I am I literally am community.
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  That's that's the shortest way I can.
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  I can explain who I am. Speaking of culture, right?
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  Nigeria and Ghana. I am Nigerian, you Ghanian.
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  And you know the next question I'm about it.
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  After all, this is the age long rivalry.
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  So let us settle here. Who's got the best jollof?
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  Nigeria. The love for God to love.
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  Because. Ohh no way.
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  You know, I I love my Nigerian friends and I I think you you
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  know who we have both of us. We have better jollof than so my
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  kind of no, I can't say that because I have about 3000
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  members there and they would kill me.
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  Ohh. Let's say we have better jollof
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  than Liberians. Can we do that?
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  Sounds fair. That sounds fair.
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  Shots fired in Liberia. Yeah.
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  Teachers who weren't there, right.
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  So basically, can you talk us through your childhood and how
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  you grew up and like who were your early life influences?
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  Wow, my childhood. We were the only black family in
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  in the town in Italy. I I literally thought until
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  before my parents brought us back home.
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  I singularly thought that we were the only black people in
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  existence. Yeah, it was, it was insane.
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  I mean, I I knew my mom kept telling me, wow, this this
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  Africans elsewhere. There's people elsewhere, but I
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  never seen them. So growing up was was kind of
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  tough because we were the only black children and Italians were
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  very, very rough on us the first few years of our lives.
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  They were very racist. They were very intense until
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  they got to know us and they decided that we could we could
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  blend in. But then once they loved us,
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  they were hardcore lovers of us. That's that's one thing about
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  Europeans now. Early life influences,
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  definitely Michael Jackson. Ohh.
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  That be Michael Jackson, I wanna say.
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  Uh, I mean, there's a few, but Michael Jackson will be #1
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  because that's probably one of the first people that I saw
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  that, you know, was larger than life and looked like me and it
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  was a big deal. I mean, he wasn't a businessman.
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  He wasn't anything like that. Another early life influence was
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  my father. He was a badass, You know, he
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  went to Italy with nothing. And then next thing you know, he
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  was working for parliament and immigration and he was really in
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  charge of stamp and people's visas, you know, but he had to
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  fight his way all the way up up there.
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  So I I would say he was probably my biggest influence growing up
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  because he was he anything that was impossible, he made
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  possible, which was quite incredible to watch.
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  Ohh, wow, that's interesting. You know, if one could relate,
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  you know the story of an immigrant is always a very
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  beautiful story. You know, going out of one place
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  to another place where you are going to view the completely new
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  life. And especially when you start
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  from nothing to build something, it's always, it's always a
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  great, great story like a zero to hero story.
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  It's just can you talk about your academic background?
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  Like, what was school like for you?
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  Sure, so I just have a bachelor in business.
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  But I'll I'll have to tell you this, I'm not a huge believer
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  and I know all my Nigerian friends are like the number one
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  most educated people in the world.
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  It's it's the truth. It's the truth.
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  Like that's that's the one thing we could never debate on because
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  Nigerians are just highly educated.
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  For me personally, here in America, before I even had a
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  degree, I already had a six figure $250,000 job without a
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  degree. So I try to be, you know,
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  encourage people and getting experiences and getting
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  certifications, but that that is my background.
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  But it definitely isn't what helped me succeed here in the
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  US. Interesting.
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  So really you're like, yeah, I am Nigerian, right.
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  And understand that growing up they should tell us education is
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  the best legacy. They they, they kind of made us
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  feel like if you're not educated, you do not have a
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  chance at succeeding. Her life.
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  I remember when I was even in university.
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  Right. What about my lecturers used to
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  tell us if you are highly educated, you may never be very
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  rich, but you will never be very poor.
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  Wow. Ohh, the guy was literally like,
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  you know, like education is like an insurance policy.
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  Yeah, sort of, You know, in your opinion, like what level of
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  education do you think? Or like, what minimal level of
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  education do you think is required to at least, you know,
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  give the average individual a chance of succeeding in life?
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  This is the thing, right? I have a billionaire friend with
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  AB and he dropped out of college and he's a billionaire.
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  I have another billionaire friend who dropped out of high
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  school and is a billionaire. You know, categorically what
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  will bring you there is the grit and strength that you have to
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  want to be somebody or or want to make it.
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  As far as a level of education, like I said, I had a $200,000
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  plus job before I ever had my degree.
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  I made my first million and 19 years old before I even started
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  college, right? So I I I'm not a a huge believer
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  in that unless it's a specialty and you're a doctor lawyer which
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  a lot of my Nigerian friends are engineers but ultimately is the
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  belief in self and belief that you can do something greater and
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  and really the grit is what gets you there.
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  Of course I recommend everybody gets some education because you
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  can't be stupid right. You have to you have to know how
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  to read you have to do all those things and and it is powerful to
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  be educated but what does school really educate us on.
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  So that's why I said get, get experiences.
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  Because what I've learned in business, I never learned in
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  school, never what I learned in business.
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  Taxes, managing, you know, taking care of employees, all of
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  that back shop. There's no amount of schooling
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  that can teach you that. Interesting.
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  Interesting. Because I remember that this
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  business might used to tell me like, you can't.
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  You can't learn being street smart, you know, inhabit.
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  You can only learn the books. Martin School, right?
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  Exactly. And that is absolutely true.
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  You know, when I finally went to school, I knew more than my
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  professor. My professor came to me to file
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  his LLC. You know, he came to me to teach
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  him about business. I'm like, wait a minute, this is
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  supposed to be a Business School, but you're coming to me
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  for help. So there's those things that
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  only real life can teach you, and a book could never, But
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  don't get me wrong, lots of good information in books.
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  But definitely try to get those experiences that don't let it a
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  degree define. Interesting Speaking of better
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  schools, right. So our very first sponsors on
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  this podcast is the on my Visa School and you know it's a it's
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  an online visa school that is changing the the ecosystem of
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  business education, our heart, the Co founders of the of the
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  pizza school in episode three of the podcast.
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  And then, you know, when they were talking about their
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  motivation behind creative funding the Business School,
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  they said, you know, they were quite disappointed in the level
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  of information that the teachers they had in their own Business
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  School. How do you like these guys were
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  not even like Peter Smith. They were more of academics and
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  then they already like, had more business experience than these
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  guys, right. So yeah, like I I think business
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  education is actually very important, very, very important,
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  but it's better for you. You need to know the and that's
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  why I really admire those schools actually that can
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  actually look at schooling a little different.
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  You know, let's have these students open a business in real
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  life. Let's have the, you know, I
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  really admire those those universities, those colleges
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  that actually take a different approach.
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  So I love to hear that. That's that's really fun.
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  Interesting. So, so the mood of basically
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  they bringing you know, seasoned business leaders to teach the
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  classes. So the founder of ways, founder
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  of Wikipedia, founder of our YouTube, top executives were met
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  are that's Facebook. And so some of the top
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  companies, right, are teachers on the programme and these guys
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  know what they're talking about because they have brand
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  businesses and like the content seems like really reach.
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  Yeah. So I think we should have people
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  like here as well, teaching business, teaching business,
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  school, because you are being successful, right, And running a
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  business. I'm Speaking of business, right.
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  What actually led to the launch of the black piece?
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  That's enterprise. So ohh, my goodness, I started
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  it because I wanted just like you said, not everybody goes to
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  school for business. So I wanted a place where people
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  could find all answers on Business Network, find each
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  other, figure out how to bring their business to not just from
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  a couple dollars to $1,000,000. You know, we've had members that
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  we took from poverty and now their businesses are worth $6
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  million. So Black Business Enterprises is
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  a hub for all things business. You can come here and learn
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  about something as simple as accounting for your business to
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  how to scale your business or franchising your business.
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  So that's why I created it. I wanted to make sure that they
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  were things that people could find that they couldn't find
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  anywhere else. OK, interesting.
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  So basically looking at your profile, did you like her work
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  with like other businesses before, like setting up your
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  own? And I saw a story about you that
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  is leaving Oses house from cleaning to leading a global
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  revolution in black entrepreneurship.
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  Can you talk to us about that? Well, that is a that's a big
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  one, right? So I think I told you when I
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  moved to America, I I definitely came here with nothing.
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  And I had to decide to. I didn't even and if I can be
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  very candid, I I wasn't even documented because 911 happened,
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  so all of our paperwork was frozen.
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  And immigration for years, almost almost two years.
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  And I decided, OK, you know what?
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  I'm going to make it on my own. So my mom moved to Minnesota,
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  and I decided Minnesota was enough for me.
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  I didn't see. I didn't see me doing anything
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  here. So I took a train by myself.
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  I think I was 18, and I went down to California.
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  And of course, I didn't plan it out, so I didn't have enough
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  money to live there. So I decided to start cleaning
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  houses. And next thing you know, I'm
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  cleaning Steve Harvey's house. Ozzy Osbourne, like all these
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  celebrities that I didn't even know where celebrities and I by
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  19 had almost 30 employees cleaning houses with me.
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  And then by 20 I think I have 700 homes.
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  I was staffing homes with housekeepers, live in nannies,
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  you name it. And by 22 I had almost 3000
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  homes and about 55 employees. And I I would use incredible
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  people, Latinos that help me, you know, clean the houses.
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  So I didn't have to clean anymore.
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  I was able to buy, make my house cash and I was able to get a
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  good lawyer to help me with my papers.
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  So that's why I started. I started by cleaning homes and
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  I was a teen when I started 19 and that's why I said, you know,
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  you learn more in business by actually doing.
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  And that was a huge learning lesson.
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  But that showed me that business can save your life, business can
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  save your life and business can help you grow up very quickly
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  and it can help you really find who you are.
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  So that was a that was a very interesting time of my life.
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  That's probably when I learned the most ever.
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  Doing that, that is really fantastic.
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  Like if skilling up were to be a person, I think you would be
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  skilled enough because that is classic.
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  You know, skilling up from, you know, minimal operations to, you
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  know, expansion that that that is.
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  What? What My edge was, you know,
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  everybody was fascinated that I was black.
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  You know, I was African, but I spoke Italian, like everybody
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  was fascinated by it. They were, you know, I speak
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  French and Spanish as well, which helped me get my
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  employees, my Spanish employees, but everybody was just so
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  fascinated by that fact, which gave me an advantage.
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  So being different is actually a good thing, you know, You gotta
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  use it to your advantage sometimes.
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  Exactly. You always have to dare to be
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  different. And you know this is succeeding
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  business, right? People say you need a unique
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  selling point. What would you say that was your
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  unique selling point? My unique selling point was that
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  plus, I was so hungry and I wouldn't take no for an answer.
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  And I was physically hungry, You know, I was like, I I need to
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  make some money. So yeah.
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  Are you gonna let me clean your house or not?
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  It looks filthy and and you know, I think also in very
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  humble because who wants to clean toilets on 19?
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  You know, who wants to look out after other people's children at
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  19? Nobody.
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  But just being able to be humble and understand what I needed to
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  do in order to get to where I was, that was very, very, very
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  important and I'm glad that I did it.
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  You know, it was probably the most defining and most fun time
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  of my life. I I have to admit it was tough,
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  but it was the most fun because I learned that I was I was a
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  boss, you know, I was telling people twice my age what to do
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  and it was, uh, lots of mistakes because although I made my first
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  million, also spent it just of facts, but it definitely taught
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  me a lot and then that I could do a lot.
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  Interested. Interested.
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  So let's tracking back to to BBE right?
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  So what is the aim of the organisation and like what
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  measures have you guys taken to help elevate black-owned peace
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  testers? I mean, of course, amongst many
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  we do workshops, financial literacy.
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  So the the key to having a good life is really understanding
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  money, right? You know, besides God, you need
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  to understand money. If you don't understand money,
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  it doesn't matter how much money you'll ever make in your life is
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  going to pass through your pockets.
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  That could never happen, right? And that's why I was telling my
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  story about being so young and spending $1,000,000 in a matter
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  of a couple of years. Financial literacy.
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  We do credit, credit repair. Classes will we teach people how
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  to fix their credit or we fix it for them so that they can get a
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  house, be able to get loans for their businesses.
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  And we also do a youth programme where we help the youth build
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  their business so we have small programmes where they can join
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  and actually help elevate their their selves no matter what they
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  want to do. And we also have a programme for
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  non business owners. Not everybody is meant to have a
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  business, so if they can't get a business, we help them get a new
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  job. Interesting.
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  So you you also like help them with skill acquisition and
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  Italian Parliament or something like that in in that area?
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  Yeah, we have classes that they can join at any time to learn
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  something that they don't know. We even have, you know, a
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  professional that comes to teach about taxes.
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  We have professional that comes and teach about accounting for
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  their business. And please pardon my son playing
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  the piano in the background. That, that, that.
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  That's a good. That's a good background sound
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  anyways. Maybe some beef or beans and
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  some bitter bean would do. I talked to us about like the
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  early struggles, you know statin BBE.
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  So what we're like the early challenges before you can scale
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  up. My goodness, talking about going
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  down memory lane, right? So when we started in 2015,
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  nobody cared about what we were doing.
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  You know, we had a lot of members, a lot of people, but we
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  didn't necessarily have the support.
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  I think we had zero sponsors when we first started, when now
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  we have 75, right? But nobody cared until 2020.
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  George Floyd happened and next to you know where one of the
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  number one, number one organisations, not just here in
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  town, but in many other States and countries.
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  And people really realise that what we were doing all along is
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  what should have been done, which was finding a place for
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  people of colour to elevate. And not just not just black
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  people, you know, Africans, black Americans, anybody black
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  and brown that wanted to do better for themselves.
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  They needed to have a safe space to be able to reach their very
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  best self. And that's when it really blew
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  up, you know. But we have been around for
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  quite a while. Wow, so, So sometimes it seems
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  like certain factors are lying in order to ensure that certain
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  businesses that have been consistent over the years are
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  achieved some sort of meteoric growth.
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  So I think for example COVID-19, when COVID-19 happened like
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  certain businesses just scaled up all of a sudden because the
• 23:09
  way. Voted you're right, some
• 23:13
  businesses absolutely as pro that.
• 23:14
  I think that was the catalyst for us to finally sit in our
• 23:18
  with ourselves and understanding how much power we held as as
• 23:22
  black people in this world. You know some.
• 23:25
  I'm very glad that so many people decided to wake up.
• 23:29
  Interesting. So how about how about COVID-19,
• 23:32
  what kind of effect did do you have on your on the business?
• 23:37
  Uh, it made it 10 times better because even though COVID-19 was
• 23:43
  very unfortunate, don't get me wrong, but I think it was a
• 23:46
  perfect time for us to sit down and reflect on many things.
• 23:48
  But also there were, there were a lot of funding opportunities
• 23:52
  for organisations of colour and we took full advantage of that.
• 23:57
  So it was actually it was actually great for us.
• 24:02
  I hate to say that because so many people have so much loss,
• 24:04
  but we. I mean our our business grew by
• 24:07
  almost 75 times during 2020. Interesting.
• 24:14
  Yeah. So you guys have been a
• 24:17
  Christian for, like, how many years?
• 24:19
  Now 2015, so about 8 years almost.
• 24:24
  Just about. So looking looking at the Cha
• 24:28
  Cha tree like or through the eight years like what has the
• 24:31
  growth journey been right over over the eight years like and
• 24:36
  the major challenges and major accomplishments in a nutshell?
• 24:42
  I mean, definitely, just like any other business, up and down.
• 24:45
  The first five years were really, really rough because
• 24:49
  although we had a lot of clients and a lot of a lot.
• 24:54
  Sorry. I'm gonna have to tell him to be
• 24:55
  quiet. Sorry guys, you're in business
• 25:01
  and you have kids. I think it was it was definitely
• 25:05
  up and down. We had a lot of clients, lots of
• 25:07
  members to help. However, again, not having
• 25:12
  national recognition on national support was very, very, very
• 25:16
  tough. The major challenge was that the
• 25:20
  biggest success was finally being recognised and being able
• 25:23
  to do a BET scale event, which was the black business ball
• 25:28
  2020. Even though it was in the thick
• 25:30
  of the pandemic. We had one of the biggest, most
• 25:32
  successful shows in Minnesota and we were able to bring 500
• 25:36
  entrepreneurs together. And Bobby Valentino came out.
• 25:40
  We had celebrities do videos for us.
• 25:44
  Cedric Entertainer, I mean, Tay Diggs, It was incredible.
• 25:49
  So that was probably the high, yeah.
• 25:55
  So in terms of, in terms of the the, the, the highs, right, you
• 26:00
  apparently we talked about the lows, the highs, but then like
• 26:03
  what, what major accomplishments actually stick out for you as
• 26:08
  the visas and as an individual and like what what are the
• 26:11
  things like you're really proud of with the B journey?
• 26:16
  I'm proud of many, many moments. I think the biggest one of
• 26:19
  course is was to give grants to our members.
• 26:22
  So probably that's the one that I always smile about, is being
• 26:26
  able to give members money to, to help their own business.
• 26:30
  And if it were up to me, I'll give all my members $10,000,
• 26:33
  right? So it was nice to be able to
• 26:35
  fund. I think we funded about 150
• 26:39
  people. That was probably the the
• 26:42
  biggest high I've ever had. It just it it was just a feel
• 26:46
  good moment. Another one will probably be I I
• 26:51
  think ohh, there's so many I'm I feel like I'm fighting for.
• 26:56
  For which ones? You like OK, in no particular
• 26:59
  order as as they come, as a come through.
• 27:02
  My goodness. You go slow.
• 27:03
  Yeah, given the grants, we were able to build a massive
• 27:06
  directory and then our headquarters.
• 27:09
  We have a headquarters in northeast Minneapolis downtown
• 27:13
  and it's a beautiful space where people can come and just work on
• 27:18
  their dreams. And we all we were also able to
• 27:22
  start our own show on Channel 6. So that's that's pretty awesome.
• 27:26
  We were invited on CBS News, which is a nationally syndicated
• 27:30
  news channel twice and we have 75 very loyal, very well to do
• 27:37
  sponsors that have been absolutely incredible throughout
• 27:40
  the years. Interesting.
• 27:44
  Sounds like really, really great moments right there.
• 27:47
  So what do you think is next for a BE?
• 27:52
  Well, next we, we want to do events and gatherings around the
• 27:56
  world. So we've already started as of
• 27:58
  last year. We went to a couple of places,
• 28:01
  but probably the biggest thing is being able to, you know, do
• 28:05
  something in the UK. I can't say too much about that.
• 28:08
  Do something in Europe. If he goes to the UK.
• 28:15
  Well, we wouldn't bring awards out there.
• 28:17
  You know, you watch MTV Awards and BET Awards, right?
• 28:22
  I see those same shows but for business owners because they're
• 28:25
  celebrities are great. But to me, celebrities are the
• 28:28
  the small people that are making it happen, the small people that
• 28:32
  are turning something into a business.
• 28:34
  That's who I want to celebrate. That's who I care about.
• 28:38
  So it's very important to me that we continue on this
• 28:40
  trajectory and create incredible events around the world.
• 28:44
  Not just, you know, worshipping celebrities, but really creating
• 28:48
  our own celebrities, which are people that are everyday pushing
• 28:52
  to create and build wealth not just for themselves, but for
• 28:55
  their communities, for their families.
• 28:58
  That's what really matters to me.
• 29:02
  Yeah, celebrating the the unsung heroes, actually, because
• 29:06
  business owners are our heroes and their everyday heroes, they
• 29:10
  do not stop on the ground. And that grant has to be
• 29:13
  appreciated. It has to be appreciated.
• 29:15
  And it's great to have people like you, you know, out there
• 29:17
  that ensure that these people are appreciated.
• 29:21
  You know, it's it's somehow, you know, when people actually do
• 29:24
  work that is essential and they don't deserve the credit that
• 29:28
  they they don't get the credit that they deserve, right.
• 29:32
  It sort of discourages them. But then when they are seen,
• 29:35
  when they knew they acknowledged, when they know
• 29:37
  there's gratitude from the community, from the society,
• 29:41
  from the ecosystem with your period, it says us feel right to
• 29:45
  to motivate them to keep them going.
• 29:47
  And you know big ups to you and the the the, the, the Team GB
• 29:51
  for the great work that you guys are doing.
• 29:53
  So what would you say are your major life loss Sophies that
• 29:58
  have achieved in your growth and development?
• 30:02
  Wow, major life philosophy, definitely.
• 30:05
  I I think belief in self that that's got to be #1II realised
• 30:13
  that I did not need other people to believe in me as much as I
• 30:17
  needed to believe in me. That that's the number one
• 30:20
  thing. Because a lot of us sometimes
• 30:22
  look for validation in others before we want to do something
• 30:26
  or before we think something is successful.
• 30:28
  But really understanding that if you're doing something that you
• 30:31
  truly, truly believe in it, you only need permission from
• 30:34
  yourself and you need to only believe in yourself.
• 30:37
  Of course it's important to make sure that we stay grounded and
• 30:41
  also hear the outside. But categorically if if I if you
• 30:47
  believe in your dream enough, I'm going to jump on the train
• 30:50
  as well. So that's probably the biggest
• 30:54
  thing I live by and also remain humble in all things.
• 30:59
  It is very easy once your names on newspapers and your
• 31:03
  googleable like you get so excited.
• 31:05
  It's very, very important to keep a level head and understand
• 31:10
  remember the main mission because the first five years I
• 31:14
  was able to meet or I was like, I don't want anybody to know me.
• 31:18
  But then unfortunately, I have to put my face to this.
• 31:20
  And that's when it really took off.
• 31:23
  Because people buy you. They, they buy you, not your
• 31:26
  product. They buy you exactly, exactly,
• 31:30
  exactly that, that. Is very true because I've
• 31:33
  realised it even myself. Like when providing the service,
• 31:37
  OK, I'm there, it's different. But then if you put another
• 31:42
  person in charge, the the, the, the clients will react
• 31:46
  differently. And yeah, like we're selling the
• 31:48
  same product, but then it's just that person they're buying.
• 31:52
  They're really. Part of branding, right?
• 31:54
  Branding matters, You know we're part of our own personal
• 31:58
  branding. So it's very important that as
• 32:02
  we're branding and and although we want to stay humble, stay out
• 32:05
  of the way, you are part of your your vision and you are part of
• 32:09
  what people buy. So what are the top five most
• 32:20
  important aspects of growing up business?
• 32:24
  Top. One top.
• 32:26
  Five, manage your money. That's number one.
• 32:30
  I don't care what business you're doing if you don't
• 32:32
  understand money. I don't want to talk to you
• 32:35
  about business until you manage your own personal finances.
• 32:39
  Because think about it, even if you get $1,000,000 today, if you
• 32:42
  don't know how to manage it, you lose it.
• 32:44
  Exactly. This is somebody that's living.
• 32:49
  So that speaking from experience.
• 32:52
  Serious. So number one is managing
• 32:55
  personal finances. The next one would be business
• 32:57
  plan. Have a plan.
• 33:00
  There is no business that has ever succeeded without and it
• 33:04
  doesn't even need to be a solid plan and needs to be at least a
• 33:07
  path where you know where you're walking, you know where is this
• 33:10
  going? OK, you want to sell hats, but
• 33:12
  why? For what reason?
• 33:14
  How much is it going to make? What is the projection, What is
• 33:17
  your audience? So just knowing those, those
• 33:20
  little facts behind it is what actually helps your business
• 33:24
  succeed so that you can actually foresee any challenges that are
• 33:27
  coming. Not of course, there's a lot of
• 33:30
  surprises in business, but a business plan just helps.
• 33:33
  You just have a guide. The next one would definitely be
• 33:39
  capital Capital, Capital, capital.
• 33:42
  Don't start your business with absolutely nothing.
• 33:44
  You'll be surprised. Family or friends don't usually
• 33:47
  support and and we can't force them to support right.
• 33:53
  Next we'll be audience, you know.
• 33:58
  Actually you know what I'll leave that last.
• 34:00
  The next one is solve an actual problem.
• 34:03
  You know time and time again I have women come to me and they
• 34:06
  want to open a boutique for clothes.
• 34:08
  Yes, women love clothes. However, why do we need another
• 34:12
  boutique? What problem are you solving?
• 34:15
  Yes, you want to call people back but there's clothing
• 34:17
  everywhere. What are you specific
• 34:19
  specifically solving that will make you come, will make me come
• 34:23
  to you versus fashion Nova right.
• 34:26
  And why can't we do different businesses.
• 34:29
  So really, doing research and is it really the passion?
• 34:34
  Your passion won't always make you money, so how about picking
• 34:38
  a business that will actually make you money?
• 34:42
  You're lying with my philosophy, your lighting.
• 34:46
  With my audience. OK, OK.
• 34:53
  OK. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll tell you
• 34:57
  that after you done with the audience.
• 35:00
  Sure. Audience.
• 35:01
  I mean, know your audience. You know, I I had a very sweet
• 35:06
  gal opened a business and it was not for this audience.
• 35:09
  You know, she was trying to sell to church folks something that
• 35:13
  church folks don't want anything to do with.
• 35:16
  So knowing your audience is very important.
• 35:19
  What do they want? Because ultimately it's their
• 35:21
  pocketbooks that need to open is their wallets that need to open
• 35:25
  to support you. So knowing what they actually
• 35:27
  want is important. Don't underestimate your
• 35:30
  customer. If you want them to spend money,
• 35:33
  know what they want, know what they want, and solve that
• 35:36
  problem. So that's it.
• 35:38
  That's my top five. Hmm, interesting.
• 35:41
  So I was, I was gonna say that that there's some philosophy of
• 35:44
  business that I have and I'd like to tell people you don't
• 35:47
  sell what you wanna sell, you sell what the market wants to
• 35:50
  buy. Exactly.
• 35:53
  Yeah, very, very simple, right? A lot of people want to sell a
• 35:58
  particular theme, but the truth is, do people want to buy it?
• 36:01
  If people do not want to buy it, there's no point selling it,
• 36:05
  aye? Is of course, let's say you and
• 36:07
  I are by the beach. I do more.
• 36:09
  We're, we're by the beach. And we know we're supposed to be
• 36:12
  selling towels and maybe water because if people come out of
• 36:15
  the water, they're wet, right? So my first thought is I need to
• 36:18
  sell towels, I need to sell water, maybe food, maybe sun
• 36:23
  visor, maybe sunscreen. But if you come out there with,
• 36:26
  I don't know, you're selling shovels, OK, They can shovel the
• 36:30
  sand or like it doesn't make sense.
• 36:33
  You want to sell snowmobiles at the beach.
• 36:35
  So make it make sense so that you can actually have success
• 36:38
  though the audience and where you are so that you can have a
• 36:43
  successful business. Exactly.
• 36:46
  These things seem quite simple. But then, I don't know,
• 36:51
  sometimes common sense seems uncommon.
• 36:54
  And then you need to guide people in in the direction of
• 37:00
  these very simple philosophies. Because sometimes people do not
• 37:05
  stick to the basics and they think they need lack of
• 37:08
  complicated plan. And like you said earlier about
• 37:11
  planning, right? If you actually fail to plan
• 37:14
  right, it means you're planning to fail.
• 37:17
  Basically, these tricks right? This guideline seem really
• 37:25
  simple, but the basics work. The simple things actually do
• 37:32
  work like magic. Interested.
• 37:34
  Interested. So next question here is like
• 37:38
  what is the importance of planning and budgeting for a
• 37:42
  personal business? So there's that part of planning
• 37:45
  but also the budgets inside as well.
• 37:47
  Like how important would you say that is for business and how
• 37:52
  should people prioritise that? Ohh, how important is vital?
• 37:57
  I mean it's it's absolutely vital there.
• 38:00
  There's really no moving forward unless you you're budgeting.
• 38:04
  The way to do that is it's really I want to say look at the
• 38:07
  the industry you're getting into and figure out how much you need
• 38:11
  to start now. Most people start their business
• 38:15
  and they don't have all the money needed for, you know to
• 38:18
  start it up. Sorry he is sick at home so.
• 38:23
  How are you? So.
• 38:27
  I was a part of the podcast. Or that you have.
• 38:33
  He always crashes something very important that you know.
• 38:39
  You look at your industry, look at how many you can actually
• 38:44
  even research how much money you need to start that business.
• 38:47
  So that's that shouldn't be a problem.
• 38:49
  But looking at how much you would need and having extra and
• 38:52
  always having an investor or family member that's able to
• 38:56
  jump in if anything goes wrong, which is also hard.
• 38:59
  But if anyone is lucky enough to have that, please have a backup
• 39:04
  of some sort so that you don't lose everything.
• 39:08
  Hmm, interesting. So Speaking of backups, right?
• 39:12
  People like have personal businesses and some some people
• 39:17
  are full time business orders, some people part time business
• 39:20
  owners. For example person like myself,
• 39:22
  I part time into that because I'm I'm still a full time
• 39:27
  professional. I'm a finance guy.
• 39:29
  I'm a numbers guy. Account numbers relieving,
• 39:32
  right. I remember when I was going to
• 39:35
  go to uni, I wanted to study mass communication and then my
• 39:38
  dad told me come on, if you speak miscommunication, like he
• 39:42
  can only pick if you know you're going to pay your school fees
• 39:46
  yourself. But if I am the one paying that
• 39:48
  school fees, come on, go study something to fight as I did.
• 39:54
  That is the African parent. African parents, right.
• 39:58
  And then, you know, my father made me study economics and at
• 40:02
  some point I became a chartered accountant.
• 40:04
  But when I think back in a way, like, I do not regret it because
• 40:08
  I feel like finance is important.
• 40:11
  Like it is ultra important. Like you said, like first thing
• 40:14
  you need to understand money. You need to understand the
• 40:17
  language of money. And I think finance basically is
• 40:20
  like, this is the language of money.
• 40:22
  You know, I became an economists, become a chartered
• 40:25
  accountant. And then it made me.
• 40:27
  Thinking a structured way and I discovered that if I were to
• 40:30
  like go into any business like I'm usually different from the
• 40:35
  other people because you have an understanding of you know how
• 40:38
  money works, you understand and understanding of administration.
• 40:41
  You have an understanding of the branding of marketing, right.
• 40:47
  And also like being in corporate settings, corporate institutions
• 40:52
  helps you to think in a structured way.
• 40:55
  Now talking about like having that fall back plan, you know
• 41:00
  you have a plan A and then if you have a plan A you should
• 41:04
  also have a Plan B and plan C But for me my Plan B and plan C
• 41:08
  is to make the plan A work. I love that.
• 41:13
  I love that, definitely. And you know, it wasn't for 10
• 41:16
  years, so I'm. I'm with you.
• 41:17
  Your dad definitely was right. Because you're gonna be an
• 41:20
  accountant and travel the world. You can be an accountant
• 41:23
  anywhere in the world. They're needed.
• 41:25
  What makes them the world go around?
• 41:27
  Money. So if you're the money, you will
• 41:30
  always be needed. Like I've rarely heard of
• 41:33
  accountants getting laid off. So definitely the right decision
• 41:36
  there. So I'm with you.
• 41:40
  Right. But that, you know, I'm talking
• 41:41
  about my fall back plans. Your business will crash, right?
• 41:44
  But then you have like skills, competences that could make you
• 41:48
  relevant in society, right? Because you only make monies a
• 41:53
  store of value, right? And then you only exchange money
• 41:57
  by offering value to people. So people are happy to give you
• 42:00
  their value if you give them value in return, right?
• 42:04
  So like what advice would you have for, like, young
• 42:07
  entrepreneurs who are looking into going into
• 42:10
  entrepreneurship, right? But then should also have like a
• 42:14
  fall back plan. What what advice do you do you
• 42:17
  have for them in that in that regard?
• 42:20
  Well, First things first, they should never put all their eggs
• 42:24
  in one basket. Hear me out, right.
• 42:28
  And you know how you said your Plan B and Plan C is to make
• 42:31
  sure Plan A works? Well, Plan A better, have a
• 42:34
  A-1A-2. Like you better have a couple
• 42:39
  variations. Because as you know, look at
• 42:43
  when the pandemic happened, right?
• 42:44
  If you had all your eggs in one basket, well, that that's it.
• 42:47
  That's that you're sinking. But if you have a variation of
• 42:50
  businesses or that your business can generate money three to four
• 42:54
  ways, small example right of black business enterprises, we
• 42:58
  have a virtual office where people can receive their mail.
• 43:01
  So they pay for that. We have a Co working space that
• 43:04
  they can use. Then we have a venue that they
• 43:07
  can use. Then we have the membership.
• 43:09
  So there's four different ways where we make revenue.
• 43:14
  So if one fails, there's three, if two fails there's still 2.
• 43:19
  So having a variation in everything that you do so that
• 43:23
  that is my one and only advice is never put all of your eggs in
• 43:27
  one basket. Diversify and have different
• 43:31
  things that feed you so if one fails, you're not done.
• 43:36
  Interested. It's basically in finance we, we
• 43:39
  talk about talk a lot about diversifying your portfolio
• 43:43
  because that is usually that's usually the baseline for a
• 43:48
  smarter risk assessment, right. You should assess your risk and
• 43:52
  also business continuity and resilience, right.
• 43:57
  Look at what happened with the pandemic.
• 43:59
  But then companies that are actually instituted A resilience
• 44:04
  plan, a business continuity plan, we're able to achieve like
• 44:07
  a plug and play in that kind of a a situation.
• 44:11
  I remember during the the Pandemic I I was actually
• 44:13
  working with PW C at the time and then you know it was it was
• 44:18
  like we we we actually had a structure in place right?
• 44:23
  Such that if you know, there were like a disaster, if there
• 44:27
  were an act of God or anything right, you can actually always
• 44:31
  work remotely. So when the pandemic came it was
• 44:33
  like plug and play. We were all working from home
• 44:36
  and it was interesting that that was a very fantastic time of my
• 44:40
  life and I think I even achieved like a promotion as well.
• 44:44
  At that point in time in life, I was like, oh wow.
• 44:46
  But then I saw how other organisations were like
• 44:49
  struggling, right, to achieve continuity.
• 44:55
  But then it was a lesson, right? It's a, it's a lesson point for
• 44:59
  like a a lot of organisations that you need to build a pathway
• 45:04
  towards ensuring that you know you're resilient for the future.
• 45:07
  Because if you're offering certain services right, what's
• 45:11
  measures can you put in place to ensure that these services can
• 45:15
  continue to be rendered even when there are major disruptions
• 45:20
  in the ecosystem that you've created, that you create from.
• 45:24
  So I think that that's like also very essential.
• 45:27
  So what would you say is the inspiration behind your passion,
• 45:31
  you know, for the unwavering commitment towards uniting
• 45:35
  communities? What is this relation?
• 45:39
  Well, definitely inspired by by people itself, right?
• 45:48
  I learned so many languages because I I hated being outcast
• 45:53
  or not feeling like I belonged. I am really moved by never
• 46:00
  having people feeling alone and and that is that is what drives
• 46:04
  me. Because remember as a black
• 46:06
  child in Italy, it was like I was on an island by myself.
• 46:11
  But I realised that when I finally found a community, or I
• 46:14
  built community, my life was a lot easier in every country that
• 46:17
  I've ever been in. I am committed to this mission
• 46:22
  because I like to see us together.
• 46:24
  You know, at some point, some it feels like the world is against
• 46:28
  us in some ways. You know, there's wars in many
• 46:31
  countries and the countries that are not brown are always on TV.
• 46:36
  They're sending aid. They're helping the countries
• 46:39
  where war is happening, where they look like us.
• 46:43
  They don't even show it on the news.
• 46:45
  You see, So what? Why would we not stick together?
• 46:49
  And why would we not build community and help each other
• 46:53
  become the greatest possible unit that we could be?
• 46:57
  So I am steadfast on my commitment because I understand
• 47:01
  that, you know, the world may not care, but we need to care
• 47:04
  about each other. And that is the mission that
• 47:07
  I'm, I'm willing to go to the grave with because I know that
• 47:11
  it's essential for the preservation of us is to stick
• 47:15
  together. So it's OK to have Gerloff War
• 47:18
  is not OK to have other wars between us.
• 47:22
  It's it's it's imperative. It's it's the only way of life
• 47:26
  that I see. Listen, I think what you're
• 47:29
  saying actually just aligns with something I was telling a friend
• 47:33
  of mine this evening. Right?
• 47:34
  So I was telling him that the greatest leaders in life are the
• 47:39
  ones that have an attitude of servitude, because in order for
• 47:42
  you to be a great leader, you should have to be a great
• 47:45
  servant. But then a lot of people have a
• 47:48
  problem with seven other people. But then I see that 17 induced
• 47:51
  you are happy in service to humanity and that is actually
• 47:55
  played a very great role in elevating to you as a person and
• 48:00
  of course on a personal basis, and I do celebrate you a lot
• 48:03
  because you've done a lot for the black community and you know
• 48:08
  what that means? Said this podcast is about
• 48:11
  sharing the stories of ordinary people doing extraordinary
• 48:15
  things. Right.
• 48:16
  I don't know. You know what what are we talk
• 48:18
  to you once seen that like sharing the stories of ordinary
• 48:22
  people doing things. And I'm really proud of, you
• 48:25
  know, an ordinary person like yourself who's you know, going
• 48:28
  on to to really extraordinary things and seeing how much
• 48:32
  you've achieved, you know, as an award, being an entrepreneur, a
• 48:36
  mom of philanthropist, a social influencer, podcaster, an
• 48:42
  investor, assets applied transformation coach and an
• 48:46
  award-winning corporate professional, you know, global
• 48:49
  reputation, right. So what would you say is the
• 48:52
  driving force behind all of this achievements?
• 48:57
  What's Easter Driving force? Well, first of all, shout out to
• 49:00
  you for doing research because that that means you are an
• 49:04
  interviewer of all interviewers. Thank you very much.
• 49:09
  Yeah. Talk to you.
• 49:11
  I might have you host my next my next show.
• 49:14
  Because you are. But then I'm not going to take
• 49:18
  all of the glory myself because I have a team, right?
• 49:21
  Yeah. I have an executive assistant
• 49:24
  working for me in Nigeria. Her name is Yeah.
• 49:29
  Shout out to essay if you see this big up to you.
• 49:33
  You did a great job. She I think.
• 49:36
  She she doesn't buy you a lot because you know she she's a
• 49:40
  very big admirer of black women that achieve excellence.
• 49:46
  So big shout out to USA for putting this up as well.
• 49:51
  The question the driving force is, and I know it's going to
• 49:55
  sound very strange, but the greater good, right?
• 49:59
  As humans, I think we gravitate towards being a little selfish,
• 50:02
  especially these days where everybody is more self
• 50:05
  gratifying and it's like me, me, me, look at me, take care of me
• 50:10
  first. It's it's a the world has
• 50:13
  changed, right. So my driving force is the the
• 50:16
  greater good. God, of course that's that's the
• 50:19
  number one, because who could wake up and do all of this all
• 50:22
  the time? And and again, seeing people
• 50:25
  like me be very successful, it wakes up.
• 50:29
  It literally gives me air in my lungs to know that wow, another
• 50:34
  person is doing great, whoa, another person is killing it.
• 50:38
  It literally it's it's like the power is the power source that
• 50:43
  that that I like to see and I want to continue that And I have
• 50:47
  to tell you this incident that happened to me when I was a
• 50:51
  executive at at a bank, I I was denied entry to my own building
• 50:57
  because they said that I didn't look like an executive so they
• 51:00
  did not let me onto my floor that yes and this was in 2015 so
• 51:07
  that's that reminded me that there's many people that look
• 51:10
  like me that are denied entrance.
• 51:12
  I'm not unique. I'm not any special and I want
• 51:16
  to eliminate that forever once and for all because people
• 51:20
  sometimes don't look at us like we are something, right.
• 51:24
  So that is part of my driving force is a little bit of
• 51:27
  defiance into making sure that we are never let out of
• 51:31
  anything, any building and that we own those buildings.
• 51:34
  But in order to do that we need, we need to be able to to create
• 51:38
  equity and be able to create businesses that allows us to own
• 51:42
  those buildings. So that that is my driving
• 51:45
  force. Interesting, you know, also for
• 51:49
  me being a black person or being a person of colour, right?
• 51:53
  And and the corporate world, you know sometimes you know persons
• 51:57
  like ourselves feel like or in certain environments it feels
• 52:02
  like we we're there to to feel in the quota.
• 52:05
  So you're probably feeling that that that that quarter of what
• 52:10
  was it called again like it doesn't skip my head you know
• 52:13
  that this quarter? Status quo, yeah, we were just.
• 52:16
  Yeah, minority, yeah, like having like minority groups, you
• 52:21
  know, participating. But I like to advise people,
• 52:25
  right, anytime you have opportunities, always ensure
• 52:28
  that EU contributes optimal value.
• 52:31
  Like you're not there to to complete the numbers, to make up
• 52:34
  the numbers, You're there to add value.
• 52:36
  And when you add value, you know you become undeniable because as
• 52:41
  a black person, do you always need to work twice as hard to,
• 52:44
  to prove how valuable you are, Right.
• 52:47
  But then it is a privilege as well.
• 52:49
  It is a privilege as well because when we look back into
• 52:53
  many years behind, let's say like in the generation of our
• 52:57
  parents, they did not have the kind of opportunities that we
• 53:00
  have, right? So I think, like, we should also
• 53:03
  have that attitude of gratitude for the opportunities that we
• 53:07
  are exposed to in this age and time and to make the most user
• 53:11
  feeds. And so I'm proud of person like
• 53:14
  yourself is making a a lot of use of it, you know optimising,
• 53:20
  optimising this opportunities. Because they're also like black
• 53:23
  persons like ourselves who are exposed to greater
• 53:26
  opportunities. What to know, utilise it.
• 53:28
  So how? How do you explain?
• 53:32
  Yeah, like who, what, what do you do about that?
• 53:35
  And you know they tend to complain, right?
• 53:38
  Do do not complain like putting that work and you know be
• 53:42
  valuable, because when you're valuable, people will never
• 53:45
  reject value. Yeah, yeah.
• 53:49
  I mean, I mean, no, completely true as long as you understand
• 53:54
  what value really means. Because that that's also changed
• 53:57
  for people these days, right? Some people don't understand
• 54:02
  what what it really means to bring value to something.
• 54:05
  So it's understanding what value is first, then, then yes.
• 54:10
  And and I'm in no complaining zone.
• 54:13
  Do you know what my rule is? That my company is?
• 54:15
  You can't say. No one taught me.
• 54:18
  We're in the age just like you just said.
• 54:20
  Our parents didn't have all these luxury.
• 54:22
  We're in the age where we can Google.
• 54:24
  Your team just Googled me and literally found out my whole
• 54:27
  life. We can find anything these days
• 54:32
  online so that you know when we when it comes to value, you know
• 54:37
  you have to know what value means in the first place.
• 54:42
  Interested. Interested.
• 54:43
  So basically, let's let's come back to you on a personal basis,
• 54:48
  on a personal note. So what would you say is your
• 54:50
  typical daily routine like? What's your daily routine like?
• 54:54
  Well, now that it's freezing, I have a Home Office so usually
• 55:01
  have meetings from early morning.
• 55:03
  I meet with lots of sponsors. My board members have a
• 55:08
  incredible board of allies and and supporters that really move
• 55:14
  this machine forward. Meetings with my members and
• 55:18
  business owners that are looking to scale and meetings with
• 55:22
  strategic partners like Canva. We just landed a deal with Canva
• 55:27
  this morning so really fast who every day another month for more
• 55:33
  partnership to help move people forward and help them with their
• 55:37
  business because the partnerships are not for me, are
• 55:40
  for the people that I wouldn't be that can profit or benefit
• 55:43
  from it. You know, wow.
• 55:45
  Interesting. So So what are your hobbies and
• 55:47
  interests? Travel I'm an absolute travel
• 55:52
  addict, so my. We have to we have something in
• 55:59
  common. Man and I have something in
• 56:01
  common. An idea of relaxing to me is
• 56:04
  getting on a plane and I think I was telling you before we hit
• 56:07
  record that I became a flight attendant a dozen years ago,
• 56:12
  over 10 years ago, 15 now, maybe just because I wanted to travel
• 56:17
  for free. And it's it's I love it.
• 56:22
  I love being able to see and connect with these different
• 56:26
  people from different cultures. I want to go to countries where
• 56:30
  I don't speak the language. I love the rush of going
• 56:33
  somewhere new and be completely lost actually and just
• 56:37
  experiencing new foods, new atmosphere.
• 56:40
  I I find it exhilarating. And the next one is I'm a
• 56:45
  workaholic. So that's actually part of what
• 56:50
  I like. I I love what I do so it doesn't
• 56:53
  feel like work. So I love, love, love working
• 56:58
  and finding new ways to elevate people.
• 57:01
  Hmm, interested. So, So speaking about our our
• 57:05
  mutually shared passion of trapping, right.
• 57:08
  I think right from childhood I always love to joke graphy and
• 57:12
  history. So like, I always love like the
• 57:15
  historical places, places of sea of geographical significance.
• 57:19
  So growing up, I loved geography a lot.
• 57:22
  I really, really loved geography.
• 57:23
  But I think there was some exam I was writing at some point in
• 57:27
  in Nigeria, the college Jack, that's the Joint admission
• 57:30
  Matriculation Board exam. I scored 88 in geography.
• 57:37
  Like, I love the geography. And interestingly, the there was
• 57:41
  one time, I think when I was a teenager, I went to some public
• 57:45
  school and they had this abandoned library.
• 57:48
  And guess what? I took one book from the library
• 57:50
  and that was a book of physical and human geography.
• 57:53
  I just made that book by her. Like, I read that book with so
• 57:57
  much passion. And nowadays, you know, when I
• 58:00
  travel, I think recently, OK, last month I was in Morocco, the
• 58:05
  month before that I was in Belfast, right?
• 58:07
  He said, you know, quite a number of places with
• 58:10
  geographical significance and, you know, I had this nostalgia
• 58:14
  of seeing these places that I had read in that geography
• 58:18
  textbook in real life. As he he suddenly hits me like,
• 58:23
  OK, you're asking this because because of the chatted passion,
• 58:29
  right? You know it's it's interesting
• 58:30
  when you bring your passion to life.
• 58:33
  Yeah, I think it's it's, it's it's sort of like a privilege
• 58:36
  because some people have that passion but they are not
• 58:40
  privileged enough to be able to, you know, to to achieve it or to
• 58:44
  to make it a reality. And of course, you know for
• 58:47
  persons like you who who did for free, it tastes better.
• 58:51
  I I I have a friend who tells me this.
• 58:53
  He says food tastes better when it's free and.
• 58:57
  Yeah, of course I couldn't fly forever, right?
• 59:01
  Because it didn't. It was crazy being a flight
• 59:03
  attendant. But like you said, there's many
• 59:06
  people that privilege enough to be able to realise their dreams.
• 59:09
  But there's always a work around, there's always a way,
• 59:14
  always. And for me, one of those way was
• 59:16
  being a flight attendant. Interested.
• 59:20
  You know you you did on other people's money, but then you
• 59:22
  still offering value in in the process.
• 59:26
  For me, I think like I'm very very very value oriented, right.
• 59:31
  If you offer value you will get that value you're looking for.
• 59:34
  But a lot of people do not find ways to just try to offer that
• 59:37
  value to get the value they want in return.
• 59:40
  It doesn't necessarily have to be money, right.
• 59:43
  You want something, there is another way around it.
• 59:46
  Interesting. So how did you achieve work life
• 59:50
  balance? You started death or reality.
• 59:57
  Ohh my goodness. I mean today I'm working from
• 1:00:00
  home because my son is sick right?
• 1:00:02
  He I He always comes first, so. I I definitely try to do things
• 1:00:09
  that I love in between. If it's a really busy week, like
• 1:00:12
  this week, I'm going to sneak in a movie in the middle of it.
• 1:00:16
  I'm going to just step away and take a walk.
• 1:00:19
  So, and especially because my work doesn't feel like work,
• 1:00:26
  it's very easy to blur the lines.
• 1:00:30
  It's very easy to forget that while this is work and you need
• 1:00:33
  to detach sometimes, so I don't know just to be very
• 1:00:36
  transparent. I don't know that I've found the
• 1:00:38
  balance but I I just prioritise a few things to make sure I
• 1:00:44
  don't get lost in the in the sea of of trying to trying to save
• 1:00:49
  my world, you know. But I love this so much that it
• 1:00:53
  doesn't feel like work. Hmm, interesting.
• 1:00:56
  So not all superheroes are dressed in capes.
• 1:00:59
  And of course you are one of those who are not dressed in a
• 1:01:03
  Cape. And I think this is the beauty
• 1:01:04
  of doing something that you're really passionate about.
• 1:01:08
  You know, when you're doing work that you're passionate about, it
• 1:01:10
  doesn't feel like work. It feels like you are largely
• 1:01:14
  engrossed in the activity of your hobby.
• 1:01:18
  It's just that a lot of people want to be like you.
• 1:01:21
  I want to be like you when I grow up.
• 1:01:24
  OK, So what skills you know or competences are you proud of?
• 1:01:31
  You know what? What people do not know about?
• 1:01:35
  Oh, maybe not many people know about it.
• 1:01:37
  You're quite secure that you know this, but you know, not
• 1:01:40
  many people know about it. I give you an example.
• 1:01:43
  Yeah, go ahead. Give an example.
• 1:01:46
  So, so for myself, right. I like to think I'm a really,
• 1:01:49
  really fantastic chef. Ohh, yeah.
• 1:01:54
  But I cook African foods, you know, and a lot of, you know,
• 1:01:58
  delay cases, Nigerian delicacies I learned on YouTube.
• 1:02:03
  But then I'm just like we need to learn to actually, you know,
• 1:02:05
  making food and even like making food for a large number of
• 1:02:07
  people. And interesting like people
• 1:02:10
  from, like different continents have tasted my food and bend
• 1:02:14
  their happy. Like all this actually does this
• 1:02:16
  is good. And you know that that that gave
• 1:02:19
  me confidence, you know, grateful that OK, you are really
• 1:02:22
  good. But I think like some maybe
• 1:02:24
  three years ago, a lot of people did not know about it.
• 1:02:28
  It was just there like I just used to like cook with my
• 1:02:31
  friends and you know, I'll just be a great host brought
• 1:02:34
  recently. Like I think more people are
• 1:02:36
  getting to know about that aspect of being that while these
• 1:02:39
  guys appreciate and you know, some people taste like, oh, do
• 1:02:41
  you have plans of opening a restaurant so back but then what
• 1:02:46
  is he for you? So for me probably, I mean I
• 1:02:52
  have two right? I am very handy.
• 1:02:55
  I can build anything. I.
• 1:03:00
  Master, I I, you know, I can put up a TV on the wall, I can put
• 1:03:06
  up a light. I can do flooring.
• 1:03:08
  I can, you know, I I I can build anything and I can sew, so I can
• 1:03:14
  make clothes. But I love building things from
• 1:03:17
  scratch. Definitely.
• 1:03:21
  So it was the second one. Sewing.
• 1:03:24
  I can sew, I can make. My Ohh sewing.
• 1:03:27
  Yeah, yeah. So I love to make things with my
• 1:03:30
  hands. Ohh wow.
• 1:03:32
  So I didn't know like he you could pass for like a handyman.
• 1:03:36
  But then is there any such thing as a handy woman?
• 1:03:39
  So if there's any such thing, I guess you would be the happy
• 1:03:43
  woman. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  So what? What?
• 1:03:47
  What accomplishments? You know, on a personal basis
• 1:03:49
  would you say you're most proud of?
• 1:03:51
  It's a personal. My son?
• 1:03:54
  Definitely. Um.
• 1:03:56
  He was in the podcast, so you guys already met him.
• 1:04:01
  But he's six years old. He's a lot of fun.
• 1:04:04
  He's very musical, very creative.
• 1:04:09
  I I'm, I'm, I'm proud of that. That's probably my most proudest
• 1:04:16
  thing in the world. So that's it.
• 1:04:19
  That's that. That is fantastic.
• 1:04:21
  You know, I might not be appearing yet, but then I I I
• 1:04:25
  see that feeling, you know, I see it bright across.
• 1:04:28
  I think even my own parents, like when they say they're proud
• 1:04:33
  of you for things that you are able to do and then to see how
• 1:04:38
  much personality you have. In episode two of the podcast I
• 1:04:42
  interviewed our reference talks. He's a world champion in mixed
• 1:04:45
  martial arts. And then, you know, he said the
• 1:04:48
  same exact thing you said. You know, he said, you know what
• 1:04:50
  he's really proud of The most as a person on a personal basis are
• 1:04:54
  his kids. He's got 22 wonderful sons.
• 1:04:57
  And then, you know, he talks about how much personality
• 1:04:59
  they've got it it it keeps you going, it keeps you going.
• 1:05:03
  And you know in Nigeria there's there's a name, you know the
• 1:05:06
  evil tribe path, they call it Ortego.
• 1:05:11
  It means that child is greater than money.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah. So it's you that actually
• 1:05:18
  created that. You know anything material you
• 1:05:21
  could possibly have a fantastic. I agree.
• 1:05:25
  OK. So what is next for you
• 1:05:28
  personally? Like what's the what's the big
• 1:05:32
  things you're looking at? You know, not, you know, at a
• 1:05:34
  corporate level, but then at a personal level?
• 1:05:38
  What's next? Goodness, as I said, I wanna, I
• 1:05:42
  wanna go global. We are.
• 1:05:44
  We've already done that this year, which I'm pretty, pretty
• 1:05:48
  proud of. You know, we went to South
• 1:05:49
  Korea, Egypt, Italy, France. I would love to really have a a
• 1:05:56
  gigantic networking events for black people in Europe, Africans
• 1:06:04
  in Europe, and just bring us all together to see, yeah, what
• 1:06:08
  could we be because think about it.
• 1:06:15
  Very selfish reasons for very selfish reasons.
• 1:06:18
  But imagine. For the UK.
• 1:06:22
  But imagine if we all met right now, you know, like my cousin in
• 1:06:25
  the UK, you know, our home is so small.
• 1:06:28
  You know, it's imagine if you we brought 30,000 people together,
• 1:06:33
  30,000 Africans and and black people in the UK together and we
• 1:06:38
  said, hey, you know what, we want to purchase this building
• 1:06:40
  or we want to purchase this land altogether.
• 1:06:43
  Everybody chip in, I don't know, 100 lbs, whatever.
• 1:06:47
  And you own something that's completely yours and nobody can
• 1:06:52
  take from you. There's I don't know why people
• 1:06:57
  don't do this but we've done it here.
• 1:06:59
  I wanna I wanna figure out a way to bring people together in a
• 1:07:02
  way where they feel like that's all they have and and build
• 1:07:06
  things together and really colonise them back.
• 1:07:10
  I know it sounds it sounds it sounds like war but that that is
• 1:07:15
  the thing, right? Because they still go to our
• 1:07:17
  countries and and take. So if we are in their countries,
• 1:07:22
  we we need to take a piece of whatever is there and build on
• 1:07:26
  it and own something. And it's very important to me, I
• 1:07:30
  I need people to see the potential that they have and in
• 1:07:33
  travelling and being in these spaces we can have a lot more.
• 1:07:36
  So that's what's next for me. It's really starting a riot,
• 1:07:42
  inciting a riot all over the world.
• 1:07:45
  But then not another violent one, right?
• 1:07:48
  But then, you know, Strategic 1. Yeah, strategic, strategic riot
• 1:07:54
  all over the world where people can understand their value and
• 1:07:57
  understanding what they can build together.
• 1:08:01
  They're strengthening unity, so they say.
• 1:08:04
  Exactly. OK, so if you could go on a
• 1:08:07
  coffee date with any historical figure, who would you choose and
• 1:08:12
  why? Probably.
• 1:08:16
  Ohh yeah, Santoya. She is a very powerful female W
• 1:08:23
  African warrior, Ghanian warrior.
• 1:08:26
  The fought colonisers and was able to literally run them out
• 1:08:31
  of the country. And I'm very inspired by her
• 1:08:34
  because she was able to talk her tribe into fighting back.
• 1:08:39
  And I I find that in in some ways the same thing that I'm
• 1:08:45
  doing and different in a different world, and I find it
• 1:08:49
  very all inspiring. The strength, uh, and
• 1:08:53
  perseverance of Yas Antoine. Powerful.
• 1:08:57
  Powerful. Interesting.
• 1:09:00
  So what would you say people misunderstand the most about you
• 1:09:05
  as a person? You know, I I don't bother
• 1:09:09
  myself with what people think. A Fantastic, fantastic.
• 1:09:13
  I love that. I love that.
• 1:09:15
  You know, so that's it. I love that.
• 1:09:17
  You know, I I like, I like to tell my friends, you know, I I'm
• 1:09:20
  not a people pleaser, right? Yeah.
• 1:09:22
  Like to be a kind person, not because I want people's
• 1:09:25
  validation, but because my conscience and my personal
• 1:09:29
  principle is to build a kind person needs to be a good
• 1:09:32
  person. So I don't want to be a good
• 1:09:33
  person because other people are going to validate me, but I want
• 1:09:37
  to be a good person because that is the right thing to do.
• 1:09:39
  And you know, that's fantastic. And if people misunderstand you
• 1:09:43
  are sorry about that. Because that wasn't the
• 1:09:46
  intention. So sorry.
• 1:09:49
  Make your effort to be a good person.
• 1:09:50
  And if you know you and you know that there's a thin line between
• 1:09:54
  that and being, you know, not corrective or not teachable.
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  But basically it's also essential to be humble enough to
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  take to correction. You know to learn from other
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  people as well. And you know if you are, it's
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  also like essential to to own up to your floors, own up to your
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  shortcomings. And you know all this work
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  progressing you to be a better person.
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  Interesting. So what have been the major
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  highs and lows? You know, on a personal level,
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  right? And then what lessons did you
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  learn from the lows? Ohh allow Wow.
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  A low probably. Ohh.
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  Probably my divorce, right? That wasn't fun.
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  Personal love. Yeah.
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  So lesson is just speaking up and and not be afraid to to
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  speak up. Just talk, right.
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  I was. I was very passive and quiet
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  high man. I hate to make him the main
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  character of this, but myself, there is something that that
• 1:11:05
  goes into high gear when when you have kids, right?
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  It's like everything is times 10.
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  You don't have a choice but to succeed, right?
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  So that's that's a personal high because he drives me like he
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  does not let me just chill for any reason.
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  Interesting. Wow, interesting.
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  So what book would you recommend to our audience and why?
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  Ohh, actually I was just reading it earlier and it's a it's an
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  investment book. Well, it's an investment book,
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  but besides that, actually I will talk about it.
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  A book, energy healing book, which it doesn't sound like what
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  it is, but it's something that teaches you about being
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  grateful. Thankfulness because if you
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  always thankful for things, it actually brings good things your
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  way, right? Some people are too focused on
• 1:12:06
  looking at the negative that's happening in their lives and
• 1:12:09
  some people see what whatever they have and they're thankful
• 1:12:13
  for it and they take that and make it bigger, right.
• 1:12:15
  If you're if you have a thankful, grateful heart, you're
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  actually able to multiply whatever it's around you.
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  So that's that's a book that I that I can definitely recommend
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  it. It just teaches you to be be
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  very grateful with what you have so you can make it even bigger
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  and better. Uh, And and yeah, go get it.
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  It's on Amazon. What's the tattoo again?
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  I think energy healing. Yeah, Energy and and and Who's
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  the author? I'm not sure I'll have to reach
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  for it, but uh, I'll send it to you.
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  I definitely think that 11 major point is, is is just fixing your
• 1:12:58
  own perception, right? Like the glass is half it's,
• 1:13:01
  it's empty. No, the glass is, there's a
• 1:13:03
  little bit still left. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. Like I'm always very big, you
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  know, on gratitude as a person. I think I mentioned it earlier
• 1:13:15
  on this podcast. Right.
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  Or talking like an attitude of gratitude is very important.
• 1:13:21
  You know at some point is to tell people like an attitude of
• 1:13:24
  gratitude will elevate you to a higher altitude.
• 1:13:28
  It's it's just simple. But a lot of people do not
• 1:13:31
  realise that you know the grateful, be grateful for
• 1:13:34
  everything. You have around you.
• 1:13:35
  And you know when you share an attitude of gratitude it's it
• 1:13:40
  does help elevate you and change your perspective in life.
• 1:13:43
  Absolutely fantastic one. It it it's it's great to to
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  align you know philosophies. The real recognise real and the
• 1:13:50
  great recognizer grades. OK, So what is that one thing
• 1:13:57
  you feel black people should invest in, and why?
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  So we we don't seem to ever invest in franchises.
• 1:14:05
  Let's talk about McDonald's really quickly, right?
• 1:14:07
  McDonald's is is in the UK, right?
• 1:14:11
  McDonald's is now in Ghana, I believe.
• 1:14:13
  There goes another appearance. McDonald's is in Ghana.
• 1:14:17
  McDonald's is in. Do you have an in Lagos?
• 1:14:21
  I do not think so. I do not think so.
• 1:14:25
  Asia is in, Asia is in South Africa.
• 1:14:29
  Franchising, we don't ever invest in franchise and
• 1:14:33
  everybody's too busy opening a new business, but they're not
• 1:14:36
  investing in businesses that are already been open for years and
• 1:14:39
  are very successful. So I would tell black people to
• 1:14:43
  start looking there because we don't look and it's a it's very
• 1:14:48
  wrong. And the next thing is building
• 1:14:51
  equity. You and I love to travel, right?
• 1:14:54
  And I have a friend that I told her build equity, get a home.
• 1:14:57
  And she said no, I want to travel, I want to be free.
• 1:14:59
  And I said, yeah, but if you got a home and somebody pays you
• 1:15:03
  rent for that home and you're able to make a little bit more,
• 1:15:07
  you can invest that into your travel.
• 1:15:10
  Now you now you have an investment property you don't
• 1:15:13
  want. So it just have equity, own
• 1:15:17
  something. You know, don't just be a
• 1:15:19
  millennial flying all over the world with nothing to speak for.
• 1:15:23
  You know, try to own something, no matter how small.
• 1:15:28
  Exactly that that's that's 100% correct.
• 1:15:32
  That's 100% correct. Yeah.
• 1:15:35
  I can very much relate to that. You know and you know me being a
• 1:15:40
  person of corporate world you know a lot of my colleagues like
• 1:15:43
  by me like ohh you have equity and you know so so thing and
• 1:15:48
  that actually does sponsor you know some light travels and then
• 1:15:52
  you're like oh are we are we earning the same salary or not
• 1:15:55
  bro we heard the same thing but then I have something extra.
• 1:16:00
  I don't understand how you're able to fly all over the world.
• 1:16:03
  Right. Well.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, that that, that extra, you know, when you add these to the
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  ordinary is what makes you extraordinary.
• 1:16:13
  It's just that, well done. What would you want your legacy
• 1:16:17
  to be? Ohh, my legacy.
• 1:16:22
  Umm, you know, just recently we lost, we lost a very big
• 1:16:26
  community members, a community member.
• 1:16:29
  His name was Debonair McNeil and when he passed, everybody kept
• 1:16:33
  saying, wow, he really, really cared about kids in the
• 1:16:37
  community and he really did well.
• 1:16:39
  I want people to stay. I really try to bring us
• 1:16:42
  together meaningfully, you know, because if you look at the
• 1:16:48
  outside world, all they see is our skin.
• 1:16:51
  They don't care if I'm Ghanian and that you're Nigerian.
• 1:16:56
  They don't care. They don't even, they just see
• 1:16:59
  us as black, African, black, brown, whatever.
• 1:17:02
  So I hope that people realise and understand how important all
• 1:17:09
  of these events, all this networking, all these resources
• 1:17:13
  were that they use it and they continued their impact.
• 1:17:17
  So my legacy should be that I brought people together and I
• 1:17:22
  inspire people to keep going and to continue the legacy.
• 1:17:27
  So not stop after I'm gone, but to continue and make it even
• 1:17:31
  bigger. Interesting.
• 1:17:34
  So that speaks to one of my philosophies, that ease.
• 1:17:38
  There is no success without a successor, right?
• 1:17:41
  So your legacy actually aligns with that.
• 1:17:44
  You know the issue. The people coming behind should
• 1:17:47
  actually succeed you, right? And of course, Speaking of
• 1:17:50
  successes, what is your advice to the young open coming, you
• 1:17:57
  know, people in the society that want to be successful in life,
• 1:18:02
  you know, what advice would you give them As a big sister, as a
• 1:18:07
  big auntie, as a mom, nobody, a mentor, you know?
• 1:18:16
  You're probably not gonna like my advice.
• 1:18:20
  That you didn't see hurts. We don't like it as long as it's
• 1:18:25
  useful. My advice would be my advice is
• 1:18:32
  don't allow this to fully distract you from your mission.
• 1:18:39
  This is great. It's a great way to get people
• 1:18:43
  connected, but not to use this as the value.
• 1:18:48
  Um, or follow whatever social media tells you to do.
• 1:18:53
  I'm realising that the world has changed, right?
• 1:18:56
  But I'm realising a lot, a lot of even greater entrepreneurs,
• 1:19:00
  upcoming entrepreneurs that I'm watching are very very self
• 1:19:04
  centred, very very self centred. And now I'm no longer teachable.
• 1:19:08
  So my advice is remain teachable.
• 1:19:11
  Do not allow the socials to influence you and especially in
• 1:19:16
  the negative way, or tell you who you are or make you change
• 1:19:19
  who you are based on fake profiles.
• 1:19:23
  And really live outside of social live real life.
• 1:19:27
  You know you don't have to capture every moment, guard your
• 1:19:32
  privacy, and guard what you love.
• 1:19:35
  You know, I don't even have a single picture of my son,
• 1:19:37
  because that's what I love most. Therefore, you protect what you
• 1:19:41
  love most. So don't put everything out
• 1:19:44
  there. Allow for some mystery and
• 1:19:47
  preserve your dignity. I'll say that again, preserve
• 1:19:53
  your dignity, because a lot of influencers now are really kind
• 1:19:58
  of forgetting about that and doing going by all means to
• 1:20:02
  become famous or viral or. Just preserve that and there's
• 1:20:07
  so much that is very sad and and again, just remain teachable,
• 1:20:13
  open and do not live in your phone.
• 1:20:15
  That's the real world that needs to be that needs you.
• 1:20:20
  So live outside of that. Create amazing memory, learn a
• 1:20:24
  lot, travel a lot, love hard and do something worthwhile.
• 1:20:29
  That's my advice. And just a fantastic one.
• 1:20:33
  So just on a lighter note, right, for what you've said, you
• 1:20:36
  said protect your dignity, so I'll So what advice would you
• 1:20:40
  have for for the people that have exhausted their dignity?
• 1:20:49
  What is the left? What do you do?
• 1:20:56
  You know, if you have exhausted your dignity or lost your
• 1:20:59
  dignity, I think there's a redemption.
• 1:21:02
  There's redemption for for everyone.
• 1:21:04
  No one can cancel you but God, OK?
• 1:21:08
  Even though a lot of people try, there's redemption.
• 1:21:12
  Just know that. Start over, but be genuine about
• 1:21:14
  it. Be genuine and remember that
• 1:21:19
  online is not the only world that exists.
• 1:21:22
  It's not real world. Just connect with people outside
• 1:21:25
  of because you'd be surprised of how far you can get to just by
• 1:21:30
  meeting real people. You know, the world's biggest
• 1:21:33
  billionaires, millionaires. They're not online.
• 1:21:36
  They don't have an Instagram or Facebook, so get out of there
• 1:21:42
  and do do something else. Do something better.
• 1:21:47
  Wow, so finally on this port right, we have a tradition where
• 1:21:51
  in the previous guests these are question for the current guest
• 1:21:55
  and the current guest leaves the question for the next guest.
• 1:21:59
  So do you want to see the question that was left for you?
• 1:22:04
  Let's go. You want to know?
• 1:22:07
  OK, so that is from Gabriela Menu, he says.
• 1:22:10
  If you are granted immunity to leave for 200 years just like a
• 1:22:17
  vampire, what will you do to become super rich by year 100?
• 1:22:23
  Ohh. Immunity, huh.
• 1:22:26
  Super rich. Yeah, yeah, yes, indeed.
• 1:22:31
  So you have to be reached. You know, Come on 200 years, you
• 1:22:35
  don't want to report for 200 years.
• 1:22:37
  You know that's going to be hard, Hard.
• 1:22:40
  Knock life. Two 200 years of bills.
• 1:22:43
  My business. Umm umm.
• 1:22:49
  I would probably try to create a world that doesn't need a fuel
• 1:22:56
  at all. So solar everything, everything.
• 1:22:59
  Either. Solar powered everything.
• 1:23:02
  Just like Elon Musk, right? Figure out a way where, I don't
• 1:23:05
  know, water can run cars, or I don't know it.
• 1:23:09
  It sounds wild, but electricity is is one thing that we
• 1:23:13
  literally depend on. What charges?
• 1:23:15
  Our phones? What charge is this laptop that
• 1:23:19
  we're using? What charges?
• 1:23:21
  Everything. We are 100% depend on it.
• 1:23:24
  If we didn't have electricity today, we'll all be done.
• 1:23:28
  Ah, that's huge. That's you.
• 1:23:30
  So you're going to be investing in alternative energy?
• 1:23:32
  Yeah. Yeah, if if we did.
• 1:23:34
  So that's what that's what I would do because it runs the
• 1:23:36
  world, literally, you know, behind oil, electricity runs the
• 1:23:42
  world. So that's what I would.
• 1:23:45
  Do Fantastic. So what question do you have?
• 1:23:49
  Would you like to leave for the next guest to answer?
• 1:23:54
  Sure. So ohh this is kind of on the
• 1:23:56
  spot, but I think what would you do to end world hunger?
• 1:24:03
  What would you do to end world hunger?
• 1:24:06
  That would be my question. They have their work cut out for
• 1:24:09
  them. Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  But then, you know, at this point I need to, I need to
• 1:24:16
  demonstrate an attitude of gratitude, you know, by saying a
• 1:24:19
  very, very big thank you for your time on the podcast today.
• 1:24:24
  Your your presence is not taking for granted.
• 1:24:28
  It is highly, highly appreciated.
• 1:24:31
  And of course, we wish you the very best, you know, for the
• 1:24:33
  future. God bless you, Nazi.
• 1:24:37
  It was a pleasure being on your podcast.
• 1:24:39
  You're incredible, interviewer, and thank you for caring enough
• 1:24:44
  to make ordinary people feel extraordinary.
• 1:24:48
  Wow, Thank you very much. It's my pleasure.
• 1:24:52
  You're out.