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Who Was Casanova? · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

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  Alex: This episode of dirt nap city may contain adult themes.
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  Alex: Hello, everybody welcome to another episode of dirt nap interesting dead people. How's it going, Kelly? Now the weeks
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  Kelly: It's going great, but I don't think I've ever been So thank you just made my day.
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  Alex: Well, you know, I gotta I gotta cover my bases because some adult stuff today. Maybe not. Maybe not. Because if we nasty, then you don't have to play that play.
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  Kelly: Okay, I'm gonna play anyway. I think I'm just gonna every episode. Now. That's just gonna be our little
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  Alex: Even Johnny Appleseed.
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  Kelly: Yes, even Johnny Appleseed.
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  Alex: Johnny Appleseed was probably the biggest do gooder
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  Kelly: done. Frog and yet we still managed to put like four episode. How do we do that?
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  Kelly: Yeah,
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  Alex: I think even even when compared to Mr. Rogers, I think even Mr. Rogers call him the goody two shoes. Yeah,
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  Kelly: yeah. Mr. Rogers would kick his butt. Yeah. Except cap. So you know, you had hit low. i
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  Alex: So what do we say about our wheelhouse of Jordan?
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  Alex: that we talk about is typically what what do we say?
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  Kelly: Somebody that you've heard of, but don't know much
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  Alex: think the person I'm talking about today fits all check. Everyone's heard about him check. Nobody knows Nobody even knows the guy's first name. Probably.
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  Alex: But in a weird way. I think the hint I'm going to give you century guy. I think it's something that maybe if you Sadie Hawkins dance. Your grandma might call you this
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  Kelly: Oh, Casanova.
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  Alex: Casanova? Yeah,
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  Kelly: yeah, but you don't even say you don't even say Yeah, Casanova. Oh,
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  Alex: he's such a Casanova.
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  Alex: Yeah, you probably don't know he was, or even if he was real, right? Well,
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  Kelly: you know, all those Sadie Hawkins dance invites anything. Someday
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  Alex: we'll talk about Sadie Hawkins herself. And actually Juan, right somebody like if that's the Spanish version of a real person.
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  Kelly: I think of a Don Juan is more a little more smarmy, machismo. You know, wax wax on the mustache. And, yeah,
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  Alex: and did you do kind of thing? Well, Don wants a is the real real dude. And we're gonna talk about this rascal.
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  Kelly: Now there's Valentino to Rudolph. Rudolph. Yes, an think was it was it. Frederick Casanova.
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  Alex: That might be somebody if your name if you're out Casanova ring will shock them up. Giacomo, okay. Giacomo What? Well, he was Venetian, which now means your Italian the Republic of Venice. I don't know if you knew that separate country.
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  Kelly: Well, it's it's gonna become one again because it's Italy, right? I don't you mean? I mean, physically?
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  Alex: maybe it won't be its own country. It'll just Lana's in 1725 in the Republic of Venice, which is now Italy, then called Bohemia, which is now the Czech Republic. I had people from Bohemia. You're bohemian? Yeah, yeah, that's was its own country for like 1000 years, from 697 until Venice you're going to Venice have twice it's not that big.
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  Alex: but also parts of Croatia Slovenia, now Montenegro, That area there was considered venison actually there's even language. That's not the same as Italian. They had their salt trade. Yeah.
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  Kelly: I mean, obviously a seaport, right?
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  Alex: Yeah. And it had a lot of wealthy people milling like the Hong Kong or the Singapore of its time, just
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  Kelly: like has it always had the canals? I mean, does that
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  Alex: Yeah, actually, that's where Marco Polo was born.
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  Alex: composer was born. Okay. And it was kind of the pleasure to, to go and have a good time. And it was ruled by the now today we hear about Doge because of Dogecoin Yeah, the the ruling class of Venice at the time. And it would
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  Kelly: say, those are nice people. Those people are mean,
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  Alex: Did you know, you know, it was the end of Venice, you Napoleon. Yes, sir. I was your boy invaded them. And opening new trade routes to the Americas, and they had to countries with big ships and, and a lot of treasure. And game over for for Venice. So, so that was 1797. And it Casanova CCed. But unlike a lot of the people we talked things. Casanova didn't do any great things. He was he was a character. And he was always getting in trouble. leaving leaving town getting arrested, going to jail leaving town, a guy that just keeps on shuffling. He would be today would be a great country music song. Just because he's always
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  Kelly: around sounds a little bit like satchel page.
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  Alex: A little bit, except for he wasn't extremely at least greats at what he did, like one of the greatest pitchers a smart guy. He really was smart. And he was into a lot have even been considered like a polymath type, you know, But and he used but he used his intellect kind of for a good so he's kind of the perfect person to talk about interesting person. And, and it's weird that we know him
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  Kelly: Yeah, it's weird that it's weird that his name would type of person. And yet, like literally, literally, like you first name.
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  Alex: And that's the kind of person that I'm really podcast. So just to give you a little background about his an actress, and she traveled around all over Europe. And eight. So he was bitter about this. And raised by his you said, this whole thing is a country so yeah, but he had I've never heard a country song about that. But I'm game nosebleeds and when he was young, his grandma took him to didn't cure the nosebleeds.
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  Alex: But it made an impact on him occult and this kind of thing.
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  Alex: It made him like it or dislike it and saw like how easy it was to kind of get drawn into grandmother couldn't really take good care of them and nosebleeds. So she sent him to a boarding house when he was so bad there. He talked the his primary teacher into this guy was Abby gutsy was his name. And he lived with years, so he was at this boarding school and he live sister fondled Casanova at the age when he was 11. And that big impact on him, yeah. He wrote about this later about you know, she was pretty, she was light hearted and a great pleased me at once though I had no idea why. It was she in my heart, the first sparks of a feeling, which later if you can picture that said in an Italian accent, you got poetry. Well, he was a really smart guy. Edie and he started University of Paducah which is still there. It's one of the universities in all of Europe.
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  Alex: And he was started there at 17. With a law degree. I
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  Kelly: got to ask a quick question about the fondling going back to Venetian and Venice. So was Venice, a like what the size of the city city is now? It
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  Alex: was larger than the city but smaller than Italy? Okay,
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  Kelly: so it wasn't just what is the city of Venice now?
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  Alex: No, like I was saying it contained parts of what is now
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  Kelly: Sorry. Sorry. I got you. I keep I keep thinking of because Venice, the city is not that big actually. Right.
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  Alex: That's what I'm trying to say is that he was all that plus more land. But that area kind of spoke that language.
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  Alex: Italian. Right later on, after Napoleon did his thing later a, but fennesz had been split off since like, 697. Yeah, weren't considered Italians at all. Okay. And they were their enemies in some, in some ways, although, I'm not really played a part of that, like the Pope's and the Cardinals, Rome. But I know there were a lot of nations were Catholic, all worked out. So he got a law degree when he was 17. But he also studied chemistry and philosophy and Madison. Oh, he definitely. And he was, but he was like, kind of like some of talked about, but he was just into a lot of things. Like, he just kind of a bad seed.
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  Alex: That's how this guy okay, I all those great people. But he also you had a wandering eye he was a lawyer, but he kind of wished he was a doctor. And let him be a doctor. And he said I should have been become a physician. Because that in that profession, effective than it is in law.
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  Alex: He wanted to be wanted to be a doctor, he want to be a quack.
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  Alex: In fact, he used to prescribe friends, like a snake oil salesman. You can imagine what is probably just all cocaine and heroin and wow, you know quite the gambler. So he gotten to once again a country gotten to some gambling debt as a student, and then his back home. You know, like you're losing all your money.
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  Alex: to Venice. So he went back to Venice. He started his law Powdered his hair, centered his hair as they did, curled dandy. Have you ever heard of a dandy?
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  Kelly: Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I've I've definitely heard of people that rode on pennyfarthing years and were tea with their pinkies out. So
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  Alex: today a dandy would be what you call a metrosexual really cares about how they look? And they're like, they that talks about the finer things club, you know that sophisticated hobbies and speaks a couple of languages, their their clothes. You know, the song Yankee Doodle Dandy people in America who couldn't be dandies because they were bumpkins. Yeah, and actually, when he talks about, Stuck a it macaroni, they weren't talking about the pasta. They cheese at the time were like, the, the dandies of 18th called macaronis. Okay, and so it was saying, basically, he's and he's thinking he's like a fancy guy. Right.
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  Kelly: Just it's really bumpkin from from Yeah. From
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  Alex: Marylanders. Yeah, exactly. These guys were all so that song kind of makes fun of, I think it's actually it's also making fun of Americans in ones, but it has Beverly Hillbillies. Yeah, it's got nothing to do with never knew that. So do you know what patrons are at the by the way, if you want to, you want to give a little we've
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  Alex: So it wasn't just the arts, but back then rich support other people that maybe didn't know money, but not a lot of like social programs where you could like that, right? So they would find these rich people, a lot politicians, or this businessman, I suppose. So if and like a young, struggling artist, or podcaster Sure, And he found a patron at the time who was a senator. And Hero, right? V smell apparel.
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  Alex: And this guy was in all the all knew all the best food and wine and how to behave in Casanova under his wing and taught and taught him the ways cheating with his mistress kicked them both out of the cheating. Like, he was still a young kid at this time. But, a little bit. When he got kicked out of the house, sexual experience, which was a threesome with two sisters.
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  Alex: year old. I think he was 17.
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  Alex: Maybe at the time, but wow.
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  Kelly: Yeah. And how do we know about this? He wrote
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  Alex: He wrote about all this stuff extensively. He wrote to, at the end, at the end of his life. He kind of wrote all know all this stuff, because he had a great life, wrote bit, maybe.
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  Kelly: But like, he's got this life that got reprinted in
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  Alex: got this real insight into how people were living guy's writing. So he gets kicked out of this guy's His grandma dies. He Believe it or not, he enters the that worked out for him?
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  Kelly: Well, was it nuns or priests?
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  Alex: Well, actually, he didn't. It didn't last because seminary got thrown in prison because he owed so much money yeah. Yeah. So like, he got so that he goes to prison, his she was traveling, his mom tried to get him a job with a the church. He actually got a job as a scribe for a with this cardinal and he asked for dispensation, you exemption to read some of the forbidden books. I know I'm to read these books. But can you hook me up? I'm being a read his books? And also, when I eat fish, it inflames my you make it so I'd only have to eat fish also.
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  Kelly: All these favors? Yeah, exactly.
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  Alex: Can you just do me a solid here? Well, he, at the was scribing. For this Cardinal. He was actually another Cardinal. To some women out there. So he kind of got caught up in and was a scapegoat in some big scandal job, too, because he was caught in some scandal. So Now he decides to go in the army. This guy is like a nap city people. Yeah, no kidding. He's kind of dabbles
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  Kelly: they had airplanes back then he could have been a
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  Alex: reminds me of the gentleman pirate and a little dreams, but they just never went anywhere. Right. You reason, 200 years later, we know about him. So he decided the thing that he really wanted to be about, he really officer was with the way they dressed. Oh, yeah. And so he to dress as a soldier. I enquired for a good tailor who My uniform is white with a blue vest, the shoulder not of long sword with my handsome cane and had a trim had my log false pigtail I set forth to impress the whole city.
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  Alex: of his pay gambling and went back to Venice. It didn't kept
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  Kelly: happening. Current Theme.
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  Alex: So now he's got a new career, he decides to be a that's where this is all headed anyway,
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  Kelly: but he knows losing. So I hope he got better at it. So
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  Alex: you're tracking this, he's already been what a doctor, priest, a military officer, a scribe and a years old at this point. Wow.
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  Alex: And had, you know, numerous Well, we lost as soon as he started gambling, he lost all didn't last but maybe a few minutes. Yeah.
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  Kelly: You think a guy who who keeps getting sent home for a different career.
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  Alex: So he decided, You know what, I'm going to be a violin player. So I'm going to do that. But here's the don't know about Casanova is he was a big practical joker.
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  Alex: practical jokes? Do you think people used to play back then?
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  Kelly: Oh, well, probably like replace the hairs on with human hair
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  Alex: thing more Venice. If you're if you're in Venice, push
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  Kelly: somebody in the water.
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  Kelly: Close.
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  Alex: He used to untie all the gondolas.
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  Kelly: That's not a practical joke. That's just being a
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  Alex: he was a jerk. Or here's another one he would do. He physicians on false
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  Kelly: calls. You mean like swatting somebody?
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  Alex: Yeah. Or midwife's to he would say, Oh, this lady's send a midwife somewhere and then they get there and
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  Kelly: Yeah. Oh, that's, that's awful. So
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  Alex: he was during his violin career. He was doing this and practical jokes all the time.
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  Alex: But one day, he was in a senator in the gondola with him. It was coming. They were And the guy had a stroke. The senator had a stroke. Casanova doctor, I guess the state of the art at the time was to when you had a stroke, okay, which was pretty toxic, right?
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  Alex: started choking on his windpipe. Casanovas hold up, as I'm a fake doctor, I have.
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  Alex: He takes the mercury off of chest and the guy recovers.
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  Alex: And the guy's like, dude, I'm your debt. Move into my house.
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  Alex: I'll become your patron. Well, right? Oh, yeah, lock up your daughter's luck
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  Kelly: and tie up your gondolas.
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  Alex: So now Casanova had a mate because now he had money.
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  Alex: gamble he could chases women.
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  Alex: The only thing is, he was couldn't stop. So one night, he decides he's going to play rivals or enemies or so he goes and he digs up a corpse.
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  Alex: off of the corpse. He hides under the guys bed, just to starts pulling on the sheets.
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  Alex: And the guys like, go away. I out of here. And he, he keeps pulling on the sheets. So the like where the the action is coming from. And Casanova this guy labs, the dead classic Joker. He grabs the the joke. The guy screams and then all of a sudden he goes stroke and is paralyzed for the rest of his life. He goes so he goes to jail. They didn't care about making the allowed to dig graves, dig up graves. And at the same time sued him for rape. He was acquitted on that, but he left in jail. He'll he left town, he saw that things were going Parma this time instead of going back to Venice, his So there's nothing for him in Venice. He goes to Parma and Although this only lasted about three months is his love unreactive. And she left him but she gave him money on the know, 10,000 lira. It wasn't lira was like
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  Kelly: I farthings where they call it.
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  Alex: So then he went to Paris with all this money. And he then he won a bunch of money gambling went to Paris. And his way around Europe went through one town after another Vienna. Then he goes back to Venice is like I think it's everybody what I've you know, the game that I've got. But it to jail for five years.
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  Kelly: For and they got robbed crime of the corpse,
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  Alex: no other other things religious corruption, public controversy, whatever that is. Yeah. And by the way, Asad jail. They go like we know who you are. You're trial. Let's just save the time of a trial because anyways. So it gets in jail.
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  Alex: This time. It's serious. He First, they put them in solitary confinement. Then cell. And he's allowed to kind of walk the grounds. Well, finds some black marble. And he finds an iron bar. What's back to his cell when everybody nobody's looking.
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  Alex: sharpen the iron into a spike.
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  Alex: Okay? So every day he's going hold this now we're in Shawshank Redemption told you is an interesting guy. He now he takes the in the floor so he can escape.
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  Alex: And then three days before he moved him to a different cell.
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  Alex: I was like, no, no, no, I'm me. They're like, No, you know, you're you've been on to a different site. He's like, No, I should be this cell. So they didn't listen to him. They moved him hidden that spike under his chair. So he's like, Can you mild chair. So they brought him his old chair. So he got finds that his neighbor in the other cell was a priest. Who went to whatever priests went to jail for the same thing he would, so he passed the spike to the priest by hiding putting a big, big plate of spaghetti on top of the Bible.
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  Alex: in the ceiling and climbed across into Casanova's cell.
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  Alex: another hole climbed onto the roof, and then using a rope they lowered himself into the doshas palace. Wow. Which was they stayed the night there.
• 28:16
  Alex: They were like, in this little there, changed their clothes, broken, broke a lock, went convinced the guard that they had been locked in overnight, wedding. We went into this room, and we were locked in.
• 28:32
  Alex: problem. I'll let you ride out. And they just walked out back to Venice for another 18 years. Wow. I think I think go back to Venice after that.
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  Alex: So yeah.
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  Kelly: Not long enough, you just need to amps gray for a
• 28:49
  Alex: he's like, you know, where it's cool is Paris. So think I think they parted ways at that point.
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  Kelly: I mean, they made a great team.
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  Alex: And I think there was a spy too, in that there were back then. And there was a spider that actually was in on had kind of convinced him he was like, which are part of know, if you read on me, bad stuffs gonna happen,
• 29:19
  Kelly: you guys like not put some certain pins in the
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  Alex: he goes to Paris finds a new patron, and then he finds in lottery tickets. So the lottery was just starting. And He made a lot of money selling lottery. And I think back then working in a convenience store. I think selling I think whole lottery scheme, like try to figure out how to market it And he used to fool a lot of like, big shots into thinking because he had a really good memory, and he would remember, you know that people How did you know that and he had a
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  Kelly: memory buddy. People thought he had some
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  Alex: he would steal from like no nobility, you know people said, deceiving a fool is an exploit worthy of an you'd probably hear Ben Franklin say no, no wonder the Basically, I'm so smart. It's my duty to fool to fool. Yeah, went to jail again for a few days because he had debt. But Switzerland, see what was going on? They're sleeping his it to England and got VD in England. I mean, it was only a
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  Kelly: What well, yeah, found out or at least he maybe
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  Alex: Well, I think back then, though, without antibiotics. I rough getting venereal diseases back then people die today where you can just take antibiotics and move on. It's know, he recovered from his VD and went to Netherlands and lottery systems and lottery you know, tell him about a made it all the way to Poland.
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  Alex: But then he had to get out of sort of duel with some guy over an Italian actress that good. And he was in a duel and shot some guy so he had to get Germany and got VD
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  Kelly: recovered. And you know, the German form is much efficient
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  Alex: to him. So he so he recovers from his VD goes back bit more, and then it's expelled from the country by it's some scam that he was trying to to do with some always trying to steal from rich people, you know, that the original scam or Bernie Madoff. Or he was just like a by now he was notorious, like people knew who Casanova was.
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  Alex: Spain was kind of removed from the rest of Europe. And they he was. We went to Spain, but he almost got assassinated the story is behind that. Wow, I went to jail for six weeks France and then didn't get VD, but then got bored of that.
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  Alex: the first time in 18 years. He goes there. He's trying to be try to do something legit. And he translates the Iliad, the whole Venetian language.
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  Alex: Right? And then they were guy. Why don't you become a spy? And, and he said, Okay, Because then they'll so we'll forgive you evolve your past become a spy for us, and he was like a celebrity now. So years old. And he's lived.
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  Alex: He's kind of like, maybe what like at 49. You know, just kind of maybe haggard lived a described him as this this way of 49. He wouldn't be a good ugly. He is tall and built like Hercules but have an life in fire, but touchy, weary, rancorous. And this It's easier to put them in a rage than to make him gay. He little, but makes others laugh. He's just a weird old
• 33:55
  Kelly: Right? You know, it's easier to put me in a rage and that's true.
• 34:01
  Alex: So now he's 54 basically like our age and he finally seamstress who is his live in lover and seamstress?
• 34:12
  Kelly: So he's never had a wife before?
• 34:14
  Alex: Oh, God, no. No. And,
• 34:17
  Kelly: and so so 54. Again, you know, what, what year around? What year?
• 34:24
  Alex: He was born in and 1725.
• 34:24
  Alex: So this is the around the time Yeah, so
• 34:30
  Kelly: he was uh, so Ben Franklin might have heard of
• 34:35
  Alex: No, that's that's the next thing on my list. Oh, of his life. He but he gets expelled from Venice because the nobility. The NSA, you gotta go. Yeah,
• 34:54
  Kelly: you didn't you didn't write satire back then and
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  Alex: to Paris and he meets spend Frank But no joke. And Franklin probably rolling his eyes through his through his But I'm sure Ben Franklin had heard of them. And maybe they who knows? But then he goes to Bohemia. After Paris, he goes in Bohemia, that's when Napoleon had seized Venice.
• 35:33
  Alex: Yeah. And not to, but a year later, he, he dies at 73. And so nobody knows even nobody, they, I love it that nobody, one point they knew and it's just not a thing. And you grave. So he was writing his memoirs at the time. But he Like he died, and this was a 1796 or something. So he still hadn't gotten to. He was worried about writing his he would make enemies because he was cheating with so he
• 36:16
  Kelly: lived a lot longer.
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  Alex: Yeah, to finish the other years. But he was so he initials like his friends that he was cheating on their wife.
• 36:26
  Kelly: about BF.
• 36:29
  Alex: Yeah, exactly. But, but he was, I think he was also a did run around together. But he says at the beginning of not going to find all of my adventures in here. I've left offended people who played a part in them, for they would even though there are those who will sometimes think me it. So his memoirs, check this out. his memoirs are 12 version of his memoirs are 3500 pages. Wow, of just one one, scrap one, I've just given you the shortened 35 the
• 37:13
  Kelly: 3500 page, Casanova memoirs, in
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  Alex: Italian though, you read it nice in order to for this So this is this is one of the other funny quotes from his highly seasoned food. As for women, I've always found that smelled good. And the more copious her sweat, the sweeter
• 37:38
  Kelly: That's very sweet. He mentioned
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  Alex: about 120 affairs with different women and some men so men, so, you know, over a course of their
• 37:52
  Kelly: like Gene Simmons, and some of the rock stars know,
• 37:57
  Alex: this memoirs weren't published for another, like 25 published until 1822. And they weren't actually published in of his adventures take place in Paris, actually, the the Germany, and it survived a bombing. When they bombed manuscript like survived that otherwise we wouldn't know that's not true, we wouldn't have because that was in the published. But I think that I just added to the allure of
• 38:38
  Kelly: That was his only his only similarity to Anne Frank.
• 38:42
  Alex: exactly. He kind of like smart women, but he didn't make sense? He says, after all, a beautiful woman without lover lover with no resource after he had physically time I like to talk, right? It sounds progressive, except educated women. Woman learning is out of place it compromises sex. No scientific discoveries have been made by women. That female sex cannot have. But in simple reasoning and delicacy women.
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  Kelly: Wow. So so if someone calls you a Casanova, they're chauvinist? Uh, definitely, when you think, was there a that that chauvinist is named after? I
• 39:38
  Alex: don't know. I mean, the guy that killed George Floyd's yeah, I guess that's a name out there. Yeah. So in total, that he had. He was a lawyer, clergyman, military officer, dancer, businessman, diplomat, Spy politician, Medic, Kabbalist, playwright and writer. He wrote over 20 plays and essays letters. He wrote one of the first science a marathon. It's about these little people that live inside like some, some travelers meet these little people, and they whole world in underground is the term Middle Earth, but earth. Wow. Pre Tolkien, Middle Earth stuff. His name means a man who is a promiscuous and unscrupulous
• 40:59
  Kelly: Well, he
• 41:01
  Alex: used to call himself a baron or account counter for mother's name. He claims to have mingled with royalty and
• 41:14
  Kelly: to rip them off, right as he was trying to scam them.
• 41:18
  Alex: hung out with Mozart hung out with Voltaire
• 41:23
  Kelly: Cabaret Voltaire.
• 41:24
  Alex: He was known Yeah, there you go from the 80s. new wave libertine. Have you ever heard that term libertine?
• 41:33
  Kelly: I have heard that. What what's the meaning? Well,
• 41:37
  Alex: it was John Calvin, you know, the kind of the uptight term. So I think it was used as a pejorative. A person principles, responsibility or sexual restraints, who sees undesirable, and someone who ignores accepted morals and a larger society, someone who places hedonism above physical pleasure, beyond everything else. That's what a you told him, then you'd be like, yeah, what's the
• 42:14
  Kelly: Yep. Guilty as charged.
• 42:19
  Alex: So you know, when you think about this icon, I wanted him to be though, right? He is a country music character that you kind of have to have in his in can be Johnny Appleseed.
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  Alex: Right?
• 42:38
  Kelly: And when you mentioned earlier, Merle Haggard as an know, who led a tough life led a hard life. I would much haggard, right, Kelly, your your your Casanova. Your real of haggard.
• 42:59
  Alex: Casanova because maybe because it has like that
• 43:04
  Kelly: it has a nice ring to it and nice Italian kind of
• 43:08
  Alex: I don't know is how that word translates like in Italy.
• 43:12
  Alex: Casanova, are you really kind of like a jerk? Or, you know,
• 43:17
  Kelly: it like calling him an Einstein in?
• 43:19
  Alex: I don't know. Was he smooth like that people look Leonardo DiCaprio today that he's kind of or George Clooney of those are kind of the Kathlyn playboys of today, around beautiful women all the time. I think DiCaprio now is fun of him because they're always like young, beautiful basically. Yeah. I think so.
• 43:43
  Alex: So Nova
• 43:47
  Kelly: if you're from Italy, let us know if calling someone compliment or a detriment.
• 43:54
  Alex: Yeah, or maybe guys take it like a compliment and women
• 44:00
  Kelly: You get so know
• 44:03
  Alex: what you boy. So that's, um, I don't know if he's the with Italians. Have we done?
• 44:09
  Alex: No, we did. Chef Boyardee.
• 44:16
  Kelly: Nostradamus was the Italian. I don't remember St.
• 44:23
  Kelly: think St. Valentine was
• 44:26
  Alex: we've had others, I'm sure.
• 44:29
  Kelly: Well, we want to represent Italy. It's a there's any Italians out there listening, please, please And tell us your experience as a Casanova.
• 44:41
  Alex: Yeah, yeah, so that's Casanova man. Rock and roll by
• 44:48
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• 45:18
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• 45:55
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