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A Talk with WVU Football Legend Major Harris - With Carl Lee, Lisa Otey, and Hollis Lewis · Let's Talk with Carl Lee

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  Speaker 2: Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 1: This is Carl Lee and we are here at with
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  Speaker 1: Let's Talk with Carl Lee. And we do have miss
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  Speaker 1: Odie in the building today. Unfortunately, I don't think we
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  Speaker 1: have Hollist or at least not yet. He may get
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  Speaker 1: here in a little while. But ladies and gentlemen, today
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say we may have maybe one of the
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  Speaker 1: most notable legend notable legend in mountaineer history. Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: and and and and I've got a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: to talk about to even make it even more amazing
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  Speaker 1: in my in my view, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to bring in into the conversation Major Harris of w
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  Speaker 1: v U.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you even got least it with a shirt on
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  Speaker 2: a w shirt on.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man, how you doing so.
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  Speaker 2: Major? When you you know?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to jump right into this because because
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  Speaker 1: for me and here, I used to hear your name
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  Speaker 1: like all the time and all the greatness that came
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  Speaker 1: with it when you were when you were in that moment,
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  Speaker 1: did you know how big it was?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, you know, not really. You know, I kind
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  Speaker 4: of compare it to like being in a huddle. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you right, the crowd is out there screaming, but when
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  Speaker 4: you're in a huddle, you really just focus in on
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  Speaker 4: you know, what you gotta do, what you got to accomplish.
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  Speaker 4: So not really didn't have no clue, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so now when you look back, when you look
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  Speaker 1: back at it, how do you see it now? And
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a tough kind of question because you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to come off arrogant or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: But like when I mean, let's be honest. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you start talking about WVU and you
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  Speaker 1: start talking about its greatest athletes and when you start
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  Speaker 1: talking about football, I mean, you are you are one
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  Speaker 1: of those those individuals that comes along with WVU. It's
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  Speaker 1: like WVU and Major Harrison and then everybody else that
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  Speaker 1: comes along. Yeah, how does that? How do you feel
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  Speaker 1: with that? And or do you even feel it that way?
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  Speaker 4: No, you know what, you know, I look at it like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, at the time that I played, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I thought we had a great team and it made
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  Speaker 4: my job easier. So like when I look back on it,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm like, man, we played for the national championship. Man,
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  Speaker 4: I was up for the halves. But you know, because
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  Speaker 4: let them things stick out like that. But at the time,
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  Speaker 4: you're not thinking in terms of you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: accomplishments like that. You just out there, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm here, Okay, okay, yeah, great, Yeah, let
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  Speaker 1: me let at least it jump in here.
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  Speaker 2: I know you can't wait to get a question.
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  Speaker 5: I was so excited to hear that you were.
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  Speaker 6: You were joining us tonight, Major, So it's it's good
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  Speaker 6: to have you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for your time. So Major you are.
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to touch on what Carl just asked you
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  Speaker 6: about it, maybe expand and a bit on it. You're
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  Speaker 6: you're often credited with with changing the way the quarterback
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  Speaker 6: position was played at WU during your time there. Did
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  Speaker 6: you feel like a trailblazer at that time, did you
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  Speaker 6: feel like you were changing the face of quarterback play
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  Speaker 6: in Morgantown?
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  Speaker 4: You know, not really. You know, like I said at
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  Speaker 4: the time that I was playing, I'm just out there
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  Speaker 4: having fun. I'm not termed, you know what I mean
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  Speaker 4: being a trail Blazer. Now what's crazy is like years later,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, when you like, when you
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  Speaker 4: get past the situation, then you look back on it,
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  Speaker 4: then you see it differently. You know. It's like somebody
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  Speaker 4: brought to my attention a couple of years ago, he said. May,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you realize when y'all played in
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  Speaker 4: the National Championship against Notre Dame, you and Tony Rice
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  Speaker 4: was the first two black quarterbacks the face off with
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  Speaker 4: national you know, National Championship game. I didn't even know that,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: When that got past me, that one got past Mead. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but let me ask this though. Okay, So when you
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  Speaker 1: look back, and especially especially when you go back in
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  Speaker 1: and you start looking at you know how many times
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  Speaker 1: they they'll move a black quarterback. You got to be
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  Speaker 1: a receiver, you got to be a running back, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta be a dB. How did you I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it speaks volumes because no one, to my knowledge
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  Speaker 1: I would I couldn't imagine anybody saying like, we need
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  Speaker 1: to change his position because you know, he's black, lett
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  Speaker 1: let's put him in that more athletic position.
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  Speaker 2: He can't he can't lead a team. But clearly, clearly
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  Speaker 2: that was not true.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel as though maybe you are the trailblazer
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  Speaker 1: in that in beating that stereotype?
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  Speaker 4: You know what, I really don't look at it like that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, It's funny. I was just down in Morgantown
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  Speaker 4: the other day and and they had a thing academic
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  Speaker 4: about that coach Ford passed away, so they had something
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  Speaker 4: for him to there. And one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 4: I went to West Virginia was Geryld Tally's brother, John Tally,
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  Speaker 4: was quarterbacking there. You know, I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 4: to school where you know, i'd be the first black quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: So really, when I was, you know, watching college football,
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  Speaker 4: I was like, man, Westervintini, you got a black quarterback
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  Speaker 4: who was you know, John Tally. So I never really
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  Speaker 4: looked at it like being a trailblazer. I was looking at, well,
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  Speaker 4: the school I want to go to. I'm hopefully they
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  Speaker 4: have a black quarterback already there, so you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I won't be the first one. So I
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  Speaker 4: kind of was looking at it like that.
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  Speaker 1: When you when you looked when you looked around and
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  Speaker 1: you looked at some of the.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the other teams, did you did you see many.
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  Speaker 1: Teams or were there other teams that had that were
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  Speaker 1: recruiting you have black quarterbacks?
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  Speaker 4: Well yeah, well that's one thing I was really like
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  Speaker 4: focused on, you know what I mean, Like time Pitt
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  Speaker 4: really didn't have a black quarterback, Penn State didn't really
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  Speaker 4: have a black quarterback, you know what West Virginia did,
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  Speaker 4: And then like Arizona State, that was one of the
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  Speaker 4: schools I was looking at. Then you have schools like
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  Speaker 4: Rutgers and them, and it's like, you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of iffy. You don't know what they trying to do,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: as I went to like as I was getting recruited,
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  Speaker 4: then I wanted to go to a school that they
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  Speaker 4: threw them. You know, they throw the ball a lot.
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  Speaker 4: So you had schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they had black quarterbacks, but they really didn't throw the
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  Speaker 4: ball all like that. You know, my favorite quarterbacks, and
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  Speaker 4: I always talk about this at the time, was a
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  Speaker 4: guy named Tony Robinson played at Tennessee. He was like
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback that I kind of like he expired me, Like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I want to do what he's doing. You know, there's
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  Speaker 4: a guy that was in the office where they dropped
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  Speaker 4: back and throw the ball, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: So I was kind of looking at it like that.
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  Speaker 4: I remember, you know, looking at the Michigans program guy
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  Speaker 4: to see and I think they might have had one
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  Speaker 4: or two quarterbacks, but they you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they was like third fourth string or what have you.
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  Speaker 4: So I remember, you know, going through program guys looking
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  Speaker 4: to see if teams had black quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 6: Well, speaking of inspiration, now that you said that, Major,
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  Speaker 6: I want you to go back in time for just
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  Speaker 6: a minute and take me back in time anyway to
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  Speaker 6: uh when in nineteen eighty eight when you had that
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  Speaker 6: famous run against Penn State, you know, kind of walk
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  Speaker 6: us through that and what was going through through your
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  Speaker 6: mind when you when you made that play.
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  Speaker 5: Did you feel like you were gonna score?
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  Speaker 4: No? You know, the funny part about it is through
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  Speaker 4: the whole the whole time, Like the clock, the thirty
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  Speaker 4: second clock was running. So I'm telling the line, get
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  Speaker 4: up to the line, get up to the line. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to call it time, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: And once we get up to the line, I knew
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  Speaker 4: it was an option, but I've just forgot which way
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  Speaker 4: it was. So I think about it is once they
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  Speaker 4: got the ball and open up to the field, I said,
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  Speaker 4: I said to myself, damn, I went the wrong way.
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  Speaker 4: So all throughout the play, I was the only thing
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about that, you know, I f fked up.
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  Speaker 4: I messed up, you know what I mean. And it
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  Speaker 4: just so happened that, you know, I kind of got lucky,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it was funny because
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  Speaker 4: coach kneeling, he said, like when I came on to
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  Speaker 4: the sideline, I said, my folk, coach, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? You know what I mean. So my whole
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  Speaker 4: message was, man, I messed up on that place.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, but but it's it and and you say
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  Speaker 1: you messed up, but it is. It is one of
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  Speaker 1: the most notable plays that that people will will relate to.
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  Speaker 2: So how did that make you feel?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy it's like, you know, that's the
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  Speaker 4: play that always, you know, always brought up. So in
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  Speaker 4: a sense, that's you know, and that's what's crazy. That
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  Speaker 4: was something I didn't practice. It was just like something
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  Speaker 4: that just happened. And and it was a play that
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  Speaker 4: a broken play, Philly, you know. I mean, so's it's
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  Speaker 4: funny because when I look back on my career, the
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  Speaker 4: play that I felt I messed up the most on
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  Speaker 4: was the play that most people remember the most, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna switch and
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  Speaker 1: our other co host, Hollis Lewis just came into the building.
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  Speaker 1: When you think about when and I'm gonna kind of
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  Speaker 1: make this a little like serious maybe, but when you
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  Speaker 1: look when you look back and you and again looking
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  Speaker 1: at the black quarterback, and and and how few there
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  Speaker 1: were and how and again, all I can remember was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as soon as you come in as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be a receiver, You're gonna be a running back,
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be a dB. When I mean, do you
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  Speaker 1: do you really understand? Like because when I look at this,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm older than you, But when I look
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  Speaker 1: at When I think about that, I think, like how
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  Speaker 1: historic that that moment was to see I mean to
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  Speaker 1: literally see and be here in West Virginia playing for
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia and seeing this brother out there running, running
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  Speaker 1: the offense, leading the team. I thought that was the
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  Speaker 1: most I thought that was like the highest achievement that
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  Speaker 1: a person could get personally in this game of football,
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  Speaker 1: in this especially in this state at that time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I understanding what you said. You know, you know
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  Speaker 4: what the wildest part about it is, so when I
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  Speaker 4: signed to come to West Virginia, like I was saying,
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  Speaker 4: John Talley was a quarterback right now, pulling into that
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  Speaker 4: whole whole manset of like what we're talking about. Once
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  Speaker 4: I get down there, he gets switched to wide receiver,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So now or one of
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  Speaker 4: the reasons why I'm going to West Virginia, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, because they had a black quarterback. Now
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  Speaker 4: when I get there, they switched the wide receiver. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, just from that, I'm knowing like, well, you
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  Speaker 4: know you you know, as a quarterback, you got a
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  Speaker 4: short lease, you know what I mean. So I'm looking
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  Speaker 4: at it in terms of that, and it does and
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  Speaker 4: your but at the same time, I really felt that, well,
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  Speaker 4: give an opportunity, I'm gonna make the best of it
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  Speaker 4: and then just go from there. So that's how I
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  Speaker 4: looked at it. I really looked at it as a challenge,
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  Speaker 4: even though you know, like I said, when I got there,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they moved him. So I'm like, man, that
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  Speaker 4: that's and pressure to me because, like I said, one of.
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  Speaker 2: The reasons, now you're the guy he was there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how you.
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  Speaker 7: Doing, maj This is Hollis Lewis. You know, it's definitely
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  Speaker 7: an honor for me to be talking to interviewing you.
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  Speaker 7: And I was a black quarterback here in the valley
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  Speaker 7: in addition to playing for coachallya state. And when I
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  Speaker 7: think about you, I always think about in terms of,
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  Speaker 7: you know, your playing style, has it would translate today?
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  Speaker 7: You know, if you were playing today, you would be
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  Speaker 7: the absolute number one pig, no doubt about it. It
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't even be a question. And you know, and we
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  Speaker 7: know where you would be at. So if you could,
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  Speaker 7: could you just like maybe, because if we have the draft,
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  Speaker 7: come to the NFL Draft coming up, could you take
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  Speaker 7: us back to when you were coming out and you know,
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  Speaker 7: you were and I would say a revolutionary you were.
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  Speaker 7: You were a you know, the first of maybe your
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  Speaker 7: kind and major college football where you were, you know,
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  Speaker 7: not only a great rusher, but you could also pass
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  Speaker 7: equally as well. So when you were coming out going
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  Speaker 7: through your draft process, take us through that process and
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  Speaker 7: kind of what was going on at.
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  Speaker 4: That time, you know. You know, I think that when
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  Speaker 4: I look back on it, I think it was a
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  Speaker 4: system in place to where older coaches probably didn't know
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  Speaker 4: what to do with, you know what I mean, Like
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  Speaker 4: as far as a new type of office, so to speak,
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  Speaker 4: where you got a quarterback like mobile, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. Coach Leeland, that's why I got to take
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  Speaker 4: my hat off Joy because in a sense he said,
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  Speaker 4: well we're gonna try something new, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: But when you get to the NFL level, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, I think a lot of coaches, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they really old school and they don't want to basically
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  Speaker 4: change their ways. You know. I always use an example
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  Speaker 4: of I want to say, the coach war New Orleans
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  Speaker 4: Saints More. Yeah, you know what I mean. He kind
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  Speaker 4: of was setting his ways, but then his son come
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  Speaker 4: along after him and got Michael Vick, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know kind of like that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and I think like the older coaches was kind of
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  Speaker 4: setting their ways. And then right after that, that's when
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was more acceptable for you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess a mobile quarterback to play in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. But during my time, I think it was
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  Speaker 4: a transition period.
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  Speaker 7: That's actually a good way to phrase it. And I
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  Speaker 7: think that's exactly what it was, because I think right
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  Speaker 7: after you had Randall cunnyhand come out. But even going back,
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  Speaker 7: if you look at a guy like Warren Moon, who
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  Speaker 7: to me, I would put him up there as one
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  Speaker 7: of the greatest quarterbacks ever because people forget he's been
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  Speaker 7: six years in Canadian football. I think you won like
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  Speaker 7: five Great Cups and different things of that nature. When
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  Speaker 7: you were coming out, was there any talk about you
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  Speaker 7: possibly going to running back where teams talk were your
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  Speaker 7: agent were they talking to you like that? Or for
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  Speaker 7: you it was just like quarterback, Ryan, I'm not doing
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  Speaker 7: it well.
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  Speaker 4: You know. You know the funny thing when when I
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  Speaker 4: was coming out of high school, they got a game
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  Speaker 4: up here called the Big thirty three, and they were saying, well, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know some of the guys got to play d back.
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  Speaker 4: I put it. You know, we would be out there
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  Speaker 4: practicing and I like, I couldn't tackle, so they couldn't
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  Speaker 4: sque you know what I mean. I'm running in it, guys,
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  Speaker 4: I'm missing tackles and similar, well we have you mouth.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of took it, you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 4: took it like that. But but as far as you know, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know one one guy that don't I'll tell you
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  Speaker 4: one guy that really I guess helped the Gble quarterback
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  Speaker 4: is Don mc speerenson. That's here, Yes, because you know
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  Speaker 4: they they they ran the table the year before us,
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  Speaker 4: so then the next year then we kind of ran
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  Speaker 4: the table. So being that, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: coaches seeing that, they said, oh oh the coach kneeling
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  Speaker 4: and coach McPherson might be onto something. So I think
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  Speaker 4: that kind of helped. But we always knew the brask Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they was doing everything down there. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you had two schools like big schools at the time,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, running the table like that,
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  Speaker 4: I think that I think that kind of like opened
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people's ass as far as maybe maybe
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  Speaker 4: this can work.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so so major.
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  Speaker 6: I think you you were drafted in nineteen ninety correct,
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  Speaker 6: that was the year they were in the Okay, So
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  Speaker 6: I read some information today that you really never expected
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  Speaker 6: to get drafted, that you really hadn't had any contact
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  Speaker 6: with anyone from the NFL until Raiders coach thin was
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  Speaker 6: Artschell phoned you. So, so how did that play on
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  Speaker 6: your confidence in psyche about being drafted? I mean, was
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  Speaker 6: it a tough I mean you probably just didn't even
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  Speaker 6: think about it since you didn't expect it, or how
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  Speaker 6: did it?
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  Speaker 5: How did that play out?
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Well? Well, what it happened? You know, it's kind of
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: funny like when the year that I came out, that
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: was the first year that they had what you call
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: the underclassmen Combine, and what it was it was always
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: all juniors, me Emms Smith, Julius say Out, Andre Ware,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: we were all juniors, George, So I think it was
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: like thirty one of us, we was all up, went
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: up to Indianapolis. And what had happened was I knew
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: emmss Smith from being on the Playball All American team.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: So once we got up to the Combine, when the
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: season was over, you know, I kind of knew some
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: guys because we was all on the you know, all
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: American team. So we got up to the Combine and
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: what had happened was we had to take a physical
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: and I remember talking to Himmett because you know, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: know him either I knew him real well, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: compared to a lot of the other guys. I said, well, Emma,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: what's going on? What you doing? And man, I'm gonna
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: go to my room, man, and uh, get ready for
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: the comeback. So you know what I mean. I go
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: to my room and you know what I mean, I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: just getting ready for the combat. So then the next morning,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: go down to breakfast and to come up to me, like, man,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: what you do? Last night's amazing. I went in my room.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: He's uh, you know, was watching TV getting ready. He's all. Man,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: last night he said, Man, like about seven or eight
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: teams took like seven or eight players out to eat.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Make a long story short, I think every player about
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: the combine teamed up with with different teams and they
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: took them all off to eat. So as I'm asking, guys, yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I went here, I went here, you know what I mean.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: So I knew right then and there that you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: seeing that. You know what I mean, I didn't go out,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean that you know that you
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: know things wasn't looking you know what I mean looking.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: At my Yeah, you weren't. You weren't invited to the table,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: so you kind of had a feeling, right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Immocent they had big steaks, so you know I
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: was mad about it. You know what's funny. I always
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: tell a story, Immocent man made my steak. Man, Mo,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: you know, you gotta you know when you you you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not looking at it at Emmitt Smith. Now I'm
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: looking at a guy and high school college, you know
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like he was like a maid a maide.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: You couldn't man, that steak was so big.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so y'all just having fun.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, definitely.
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: Ye.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But but when you look back at those when you
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: look back at those moments and people that you meet
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and you say those names, and like when you say
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: like an image Smith, people like what who you sure
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you know? And and for you you know him as
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Immitt and he oh you is major and it's and
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it's all it's just funny games, y'all just kicking it
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: wherever you're at and I think athletes have that ability
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to draw in to each other without any problem whatsoever. Yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, no matter. You know, I'm a Marshall guy,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you know, and hated WVU. Hated him one because they
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: didn't recruit me and they did and then Robert Alexander
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: was my idol, and you know, so all that went
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that went south on you know for him. Uh So
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I had always hated uh WVU, but then all of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you know that these guys keep popping up
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, major hairs.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Oh let me check him out, let.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Me see what he's like, you know, so that you
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: know they there's always been like just a a major
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: player some kind of way at WVU. In football, for sure,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: all the time. Almost every year there's that there's that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: player that's seemingly special. And knowing your year was special,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: when you look back, who were some of the guys
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that you think that were major impacts for WVU and
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: that you you respected because of their play, offense, defense, whatever.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, we had a lot of great players,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: but I think the player that kind of got us
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: over the hump as far as going from a team
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: that might be nine and two ten and one to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: going undefeated. You know what was Reggie Rembert? You know
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: he came out of junior come yeah, uh, you know
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you got a guy. You know, he was like a
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Randy Moss like before Randy. But I think Randy was
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: more explosives than me, you know what I mean. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: you're talking about guy six six six five runner four
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: three forty, you know what I mean. That's that's been
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: because you know from a quarterback point where you know
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: he ran up the sideline even though he's covered. You
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: just throw it up there. You know, you take your
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: job easier, you know what I mean. So I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Reggie was Canada guy. He could take the top off
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: of defense and he just made an offense that much
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: more explosive.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Now now I made you play it in a lot
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: of different professional leagues from Canada to the Arena League.
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: And what were some of your best memories? And I'll
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: just tell you mine, right, I remember you guys playing
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: for the Lightning and you guys had lately feel packed
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: like I badly remember that going with my dad. I mean,
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: if people don't understand, like you know lately, field is
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: one of those environments.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Where if it's packed.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: It's it's a really really, really good environment here in Charleston,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: and it's always a memory that I had with myself
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: and my dad. But from all your different like I said,
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: playing the Canadian Football League the NFL AFL, what were
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: some of your best memories professionally.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: You know what you know, when I look back on it,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: you know, being that I didn't make it to the NFL,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed all of it, you know what I mean,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Like when I played at Rena. But just the camaraderie,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: hanging with the guys, you know what I mean, even
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: you know when I you know, that's why I played
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: a couple of years when I was down at Charleston,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: just hanging out, you know what I mean, the bus
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: rides going to the games, just I mean, just hanging
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: out with the fellas, you know what I mean. To me,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: that was the best part, you know what I mean,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: just not you know, it got like once once I
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: realized I wasn't going to the NFL. So now I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: not focusing on the NFL. Now, I'm just focused on
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: just having a good time with you know, you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: just with other guys, you know, just hanging out after games,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: going to practice is you know, having fun. So that's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: how I gotta looked at all of it was fun,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you know, I mean, winning was cool. But you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: once you once you once it's in your mind that
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: you ain't moving up to the highest level, then you
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: begin to settle in on just you know what I mean,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: this is it for me. Let me just enjoy this moment.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: So that's how kind of looked at it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Oh, so I'm going to go back to the draft again,
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: your nineteen ninety NFL draft major so and I want
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: to see if this is you know, maybe we could
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: clear up some things I read. But at that time,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: there was a perception that you and Don Neeland were
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: kind of at odds. Right before the draft, there were
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: rumors surfacing about the coach giving NFL scouts some poor
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: reports on you. How much truth is there to that?
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: And what is your relationship with don Nielan today?
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: You know what, I think that's uh, you know, I think,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: you know, I think the way the draft went, I
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: think people assumed that. But now, but we had a
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: good relationship. But going to that whole situation of how
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: when you get past a situation to look back on it,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: you know, I think I kind of handle it raw.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be hones, you know, I can honestly say,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: you know, when I look back on it, when I
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: when you know, even though you know, played for national championship,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: up for the Housman twice, at that point, I figured
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I can't do nothing else in college. Most of the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: guys that I played with was, you know, was older
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: with seniors, and everybody was graduating or leaving, you know
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: what I mean. Redy was gone. So now if I
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: stay now, I'm gonna be end up playing with guys
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: that I came in with who really didn't have no experience.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: So I just felt that at that time, from a
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: resume standpoint, it was time for me to go. So
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: being that I was thinking like that, I guess I
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: was kind of stubborn, and really, when I look back
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: on it, I was wrong. I probably should have went
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: to Coach Kneeling instead. He just said, man, I'm gone,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I'm out of here, you know what I mean. I
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: probably went to Coach Kneeling just to have that conversation,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, instead of just basically, man,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I'm gone, you know what I mean. So when I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: look back on it, I can honestly say that I
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: handled that situation wrong, you know what I mean. I
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: think I was in the wrong, to be honest. And
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: on top of that, you know, from not realizing the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: situation with black quarterbacks anyway, you know what I mean.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: So I think I was a little bit stubborn to
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the point to where I didn't see through the little
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: like the little things that really, you know what I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: that was affecting a lot of quarterbacks after tim which
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about black quarterback. So I think I handled
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: it wrong. And you know, I just think I handled
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: it wrong, to be honest.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I you know what, when I hear you, when I
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: hear you say that you think you handled it wrong,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a whole host of players
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: who would love to have the opportunity to to say
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that out loud, because I think we all probably at
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: some point in time said or done something when we
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: were when right.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: At the peak of.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Our success or wanting to have success, and and now
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: have the opportunity to look back at it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And and and actually be able to own it, you know.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And so I'll get my hats off, that's off to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you to to be able to do that. But I'll
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: say this, I think as a and and again, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: can't even throw the ball, so I can't even assume quarterback.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But I can't imagine being a quarterback being black and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and and some of the challenges that you guys faced
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: simply because you were those two things.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: You know, you were a quarterback and you were black.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It didn't really matter the skill set. I think I could.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I can see me being so frustrated behind that and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: with that constantly every time somebody said something, so my
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: my hats off to you know, and even to Hollis
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is is trying to trying to manage that, trying to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: play a position that that the only thing that's in
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: your way is your color.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That's crazy, No, I know what you you know what's wild.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: The older I get, and you know, even with basketball,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I noticed a lot of guys that played ball, like say,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: they didn't make it. They don't even watch football no more.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: I loved it. I still watch football, but I can
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: see the bitterness, you know what I mean, And a
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: lot of guys that actually played that really didn't make
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: it to that next level, you know what I mean?
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And I see it every day. I mean guys. Oh, man,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: I don't even watch football no more. Guys, I don't
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: even watch basketball, you know what I mean, because I
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: guess them not making it, you know what I mean,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: It's almost like they broken hearted, you know what I mean.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I kind of looked at it. Well, you know, given opportunity,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I did the best I can do. Is just it
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: was out of my hands. That's how I kind of
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: looked at it. So I really don't feel bitter or anything.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: And like I said, you know, the whole thing, I
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: think that the position that I was in, I think
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I handled it wrong. You know. It was almost I
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: was trying to force force force my hand, so to speak,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. When really, but I'm young,
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You're young, you really you
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: know I'm looking at it, man, I'm up for the hasman,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I'm all a you know what I mean, I'm not
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: looking at it, you know what I mean. Now that
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I'm older to look back more mature, you know, it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: just like the whole thing, I kind of look at
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: it like, you know, like the whole thing with Jackie Robinson,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: it was a big thing. Well, Jackie Robinson wasn't the
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: best player to go to the majors. But he you
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, he was the right for that moment,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Big Wall League players, you
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. They said that probably was better,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: but it's just the mindset wasn't right, you know what
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I mean. So when I look back on it, I
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: just think that I went about that whole situation wrong.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Now I will add on to I remember going up
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: to the combat, going back to the combat thing, and
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: it was wild because when I got up there, like
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I said, and you know, they took all the players
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: out to eat. I'll never forget the GM for New Orleans.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: He came up to me because really, you know, and
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: it's funny because we all up the combat. I remember
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Don Shulany. You know, this was like legends, you know
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: what I mean. And I never forget. The only guy
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: that really had a conversation with me as far as
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: what's going on in the future was the New Orleans
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Saints GM. I remember he came up to me and
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: he told me said, man, my brother, he's a he's
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: of Canada. He wants you bad, you know what I mean.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: So you know, I can see where I'm being steered
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: to go up Canada. He said, man made keep My
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: brother wants you bad, you know what I mean. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is New Orleans him. So when it happened,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I kind of forget about it because his
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: brother was the head coach of of the of the
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: BC lines. But what it happened was Toronto organized had
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: my rights, and I remember, you know, what's funny, it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: a small world. When I went up to Toronto, my
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: host was what's his name? He played that. I'm gonna
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: say he played that. He played at State what's the deed?
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: As a wide receiver? What's his name? He was real good?
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Daryl was it Daryl oh Man? But he played that state.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: He was one of the top receivers up in Canada.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I can't think of his name right now.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking I should remember that one, but I don't.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Yeh yeah, matter of fact, he Daryl oh Man. I can't,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: you know, but he was my host when I went up,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: when I went to Canada, and it was funny. Now
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I kind of forget about what the New Orleans Jim
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: said to me about his brothers. So I go up. Now,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Vancouver got my right, So I'm up there. They showing
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: me around. And what was funny is after I got
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: up there on when I was leaving, I get on
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the plane, they said, you hear what happened? I said,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: what you got traded to the BC Lions. So it
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: all goes back to what with the GM of New
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Orleans and say said, he said, my brother wants you bad.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean. So it was like they
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, kind of new and they
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: traded for me and I ended up going out there
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: with his brother. Then they end up signing Dug Flutie,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: so I ended up backing up Dug Flutie. But it's wild.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: It was the guy. Oh no, hold on, he might
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: have went to Central State. He might have went to
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Central State. Okay, but yeah, he might have went to Yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: he might have went to Central State. And I remember
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: he was telling me because I guess he was staying
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: in Charleston. He was saying that his wife was a cheerleader.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: They said a CBA team or something down there in Charleston.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I think his wife was. He was telling me. I
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: think I might have got a confused. He might have
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: went to Central State. But his wife was a cheerleader
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: and lived in Charleston. Okay, I think that might be it,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: but yeah, yeah, I never forget that the gym of
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: New Orleans, you know what I mean. He told me
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: that his brother wanted me, and I ended up up there,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: so you know what I mean, So I know they'd
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: be talking behind him, you know. Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: No, I was just saying, in addition to your plan,
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: you've had some obviously from training, some coaching stops, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: there was a report that you you you are going
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: to be coaching a new minor not minor lely, but
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: a new arena league team that's going to be emerging
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: up north. Is it is any validity to that?
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's you know what's happening with with
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of these like leagues. You know, they trying
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: to I guess, get players to kind of bring publicity,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: to generate money. But a lot of times them leagues
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: don't go like as far as with that league. It's
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: like a fourteen league, and I don't you know, I
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: think they're gonna probably have to hold off or even
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: if it do go, really the money, you know what
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, they basically trying to generate some money. So no,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not even going here. But yeah, but
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I did get some calls about it. But no, I'm not,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm I'm not the coach.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so major, what do you? What are you doing now?
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Like? What are you into hanging out? What are you?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: You know, is there anything specific your round sports or
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: round quarterbacks?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: You know, teaching them? What do you what's happening with
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: you now?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: You know? You know, it's funny I think back when
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: I did. I'm still golfing, you know, I know, sehn
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I remember, Yeah, I was a sneaker on the course.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: You know that, you know what I mean. That's that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: a long time man, you know, so I'm still I'm
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: still golfing. I really feel that I'm matured to now
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: understand what I'm doing when I'm swinging. Now before I
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: was just swinging. But I do that, you know. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: another thing other than coaching, I think a good thing
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I be like refereeing and stuff like that. Really yeah, yeah,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I've been doing a lot of referee in you know,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: basketball and football. So yeah, that's that's my new little hobby.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I do that. You know, referee.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: What level do you what? What level do you do?
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm high school you know, I do half who
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: AAU you know what I mean. So matter of fact,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: they just had up here. They just said the AAU
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: tournament up here. So I was up here. You know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you see some of the like some of the top players,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you know, you know as
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: far as basketball like that. So yeah, I do that,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: But I'm still that golf, you know what I mean.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Still, I mean, bro, it's it's I'm gonna tell you now,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: it's that golf ball is probably the worst ball that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you're gonna want to chase ever, Yeah, because you can't
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: get like it's like it's too small, you're too big
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to not be able to hit that ball far enough.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And we and we just can't accept the reality that
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: that ball's winning.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: You know what's funny. It was funny is you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: playing the sport where you stripped and then you out there.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And look even if you hit it far in the
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: woods somewhere.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Well that's according to YouTube playing golf, right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, we'll have to hook up to try
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to play some make sure we got enough balls.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Though, I said, I remember, you know, it's only like yesterday, man,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I remember down there and you'll used to come on
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: to you.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean? Yes, man, I hadn't. I hadn't
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: had a chance to hit a ball like probably in
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: about three years.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Oh and and so I and I keep.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Saying I want to get get back at it, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't gotten there yet because I already
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: know what it's gonna look like. And I've already I've
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: been to that place already before, and I hate to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: have to go back and start all over again. But
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and I know least it has another question. But I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: gonna throw this one now. They say quarterbacks usually are
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: extremely good golfers. The ones who play golf are usually
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: really good golfers.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So now are you are you? Are you trying to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: trick me in to day? You you okay? And then
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: we go playing? Did you show me up? Is that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: what was happening here?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Well? You know what, I definitely from my days now,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you know, living in Chruggle on to Shawnee all the time,
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: I definitely got a lot better. Ain't gonna you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I definitely get But you know, I think it would
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: happen a lot of times. Like they say, kickers and
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: punters are good, because in practice, we really don't get hit.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So you know what I mean.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: You know, running back, you know, it's hard to be
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: a great golfer. You're running back and practice getting pounded.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Then you you know, you swore you're going out there
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: hitting golf balls. So a quarterback kickers and punters, I think,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you but you, but you, but you're
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a quarterback too. That one at Lisa.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Now, I was just going to say major.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: We have an ESPN on here in the studio as
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: well while we are recording the podcast, and they've they've
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: got the logo about the NFL Draft being in Pittsburgh
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: this year. So that's your hometown, correct.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah right here now.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So what are your feelings about that?
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: What's the vibe in Pittsburgh for for this big, big event.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's like a countdown, but today is
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: the first time that, you know, with some people coming
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to town. Yeah, we're here for the draft, you know
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: what I mean. One of one of my buddies, he's
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: been out like calling golf courses, trying to rent a
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: golf court, you know, wrap people around, you know what
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I mean. So everybody up here is trying to find
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: a way, you know what I mean, the capitalize on
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: what's going on. So yeah, so yeah, it's it's big
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: and it's wild because as you drive across the one bridge,
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: you can see them setting up the stage, you know
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: what I mean, where the players gonna come out at.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I just got my pass where you know, I'm gonna
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: try to go to, uh, you know a lot of
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: the events, you know what I mean that's going on,
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: and you know, I kind of look at it like,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a once in a lifestame thing. So
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to get down there, you know, for
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the first pick to film that, you know what I mean,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: because how many times you think be at the at
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: the site where you know, the number one draft draft
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: and get picked and he come out on stage and
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. So you know, it's like a once
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: in a lifestyme here. So you know, I'm gonna definitely
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: try to take advantage of it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: See I went, I went to one.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Well I've been to a couple, but I but I
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: but I went my first one. It was it was
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: challenging for me because it was because it's you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but this is this again is back in the day
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: when they when they didn't break it up, so like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you can go and catch catch the first round, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: then tomorrow the next day you can get you get
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a couple more rounds, and and and so on and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: so forth.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: But I was there. My first draft that I went
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to was like.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: One that was I don't remember the year, but it
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was like like that. It was the full twelve rounds,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: thirteen rounds, whatever it was. And man, I was not
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: like I couldn't sit like I couldn't. I couldn't Like
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I was just like, I gotta go somewhere else.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Man, Like I.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Can't sit here and wait on them to call all
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: these names. I mean, I appreciate the guys going in,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: but man.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't sit with a problem. Yeah, I'll
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: give you that. I just couldn't do it, you know.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think though, I think when I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: when I personally look back at the draft, and I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: think about the moment that you that you get it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: so short and it's and it's only the it's it's
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: only that moment and it's and there's no next guarantee,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, And and I think most of the time
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: when you think that you're getting drafted. No matter what
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: round it is, you got a shot. But but it's
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I just don't know if that's always the case.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be or there's gonna be more
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: let go, then there's gonna be that are gonna be taken,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you know for sure. And I think and I think
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: that's you know, I think that's a tough situation too,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: for for a whole host of guys who have spent
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: their entire life trying to get there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Yeah, you know what's wild, dude.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: I agree with everything you're saying. I think guys going
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: into the draft is in better positions now with this
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: whole n I l you know what I mean. So
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: you know, you know what's coming out, You know what
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I mean. It's like man livered, you know what I mean?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Like this this is life changing. Now. You know, some
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: of these guys they're gonna be sitting in there, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: you know they got money in their pocket. You know.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a valid point, man, Because if I'm
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: at Marshall and I'm I'm making some men il money,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I'm probably in my time, I'm better off at Marshall.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact, I'm gonna be better off
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: at Marshall getting money than I am as a as
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a as a seventh as an ultimately seventh round pick
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And I know that for a fact.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I make you think about it. Some of these guys,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you know, some of these quarterbacks, they might go four four,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: fifth round, but they already didn't say for a million dollars,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. You know it's you know,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: it's it's a big difference. It's it's definitely a big difference,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: you know. But I know what you're saying, Like it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: so it's even though it's pressure, but I think it's
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: less pressure because some guys, man, they like, like you said, Caul,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: they like, man, why come out, I'm staying.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: There when you're making that kind of money in college?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Why why why rush it?
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Because you because everybody knows that no matter how good
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: you are in college, that there's not a guarantee that
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna go to the league and make
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: that transition. It's just it's a different kind of structure
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and you may not make it. So if you have
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to make money in college, you better stay
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: as long as you can and get it because because
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: because the NFL is not is not for sure, that's that.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: That's a fine.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Y'all got anything?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Hey man, we appreciate you coming on, and we gotta
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: get together and we gotta knock some balls out of
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the out into the water and in the sand and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: do all that kind of stuff. So I'll shoot you.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot your text, man, and let's try to
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: get together.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, definitely, thank you many.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Enjoy the draft this weekend.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, y'all, what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: take some pictures call and I'm gonna shoot them to
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: your phone, you know, after the draft, so y'all can
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: see them.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you. All right, my brother, you
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: take care.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Now, thank you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: All right, ladies, we're gonna well, we're gont's take a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll come right back.
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• 45:21
  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, so my mind and I've I've talked
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to him before, I've seen him before, and we've been
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: around each other before, but like this, in this scenario,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: he just feels so comfortable. It's like he comes across
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: so easy. And you know, I think there was some
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: questions that we put out there that he could have
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: easily kind of shuffled away from.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: He Actually he's very he's very humble. I mean, he
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: just you know, he could admit, you know, when he
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: was younger, that there were things that he would change
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: now if he could go back and do it. I mean,
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: he didn't act like, you know, he was always perfect
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: all the time. So I liked that about a humility.
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, very gracious, and I think he's a prime example
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: of what can happen if you stay those years at
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: one place, if you are a legend, you know, you know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: West Virginia is always going to treat Major Harrison, always
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: take care of Major Harrison, whatever capacity that they need
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: that he needs to be taken care of. So it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: one of those things where I think it's you know,
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: even though he didn't probably make it as far as
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: he wanted to make it within his professional career, him
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: being a legend here has has value. And I also think, like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: you know, it's just an example of somebody that was
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: ahead of the system, because even outside of you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: just being a you know, black quarterback, he was just
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: simply head of the system.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: They didn't know.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: There was no system, there was no no code for
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: what to do with that sort of talent. Like I
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: said today, he's a he's a number one draft pick.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: It's not even a question. He's just you know, how
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: much money he's going to sign for it. That's the
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: only thing that we would be, you know, debating. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: his athleticism was so beyond it's time. And I would say, like,
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: and the thing is even like a McPherson, even like
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: a Tommy Fraser, even like those guys. He wasn't a
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: just a pure option quarterback. And I think that's what
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: separated him. He was a scrambler, which was different, which
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: is way different, was different than a running quarterback. And
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: I wish I would have said that because again, he
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: wasn't necessarily just a running quarterback. He was a scrambler.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: So he was somebody that could take the seventh step
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: drop in that Verara offense, look around by himself time
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: and throw it downfield or make something happen with his feet.
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: So he was a different quarterback than what they were
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: used to. He was something. He was, you know, a
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: unicorn out there at that time, right.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And to your point, when you when you start talking
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: about running the beer and wishbone type of stuff where
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: a quarterback has an opportunity to run, that's he wasn't.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: That kind of guy. Yeah, he was that.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: He was that drop back, Random Cunningham and that type
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: of Michael Vick.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Michael Vick.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: He was that type of quarterback who had all the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks essentials but could also run and avoid contact.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: And when you think about the legacy of WVU quarterbacks,
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: I mean when you go from like I said, Major Harris,
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: who was kind of the proto type, you know, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: then you go from him to a Pat White. Yeah,
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: you know, it's really amazing that we've just you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: state of West Virginia have had that level quarterback and
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: talking about Mark Burger or Javid Hosteler, Geno Smith. When
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: you talk about just the quarterbacks Brian Leftwig, Chad Pennington
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: that have come through you know, Western.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Years, you know what I mean, it's pretty impressed.
• 48:47
  Speaker 7: It's very, very impressive, even you know, the kid that
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: playing for the Bears now Tyson. So it's just you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: and like I said, him just being gracious in him
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: just not being bitter. And I think he has a
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: pretty good grasp on his place in history.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Well he also wasn't he.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: Admitted into inducted, I should say, into the College Football
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Hall of Fame in two thousand and nine. So I
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: mean he has his own accolades. Just didn't go to
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: the to the furthest level of the NFL. But he
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: really he set some some wonderful records at that collegiate level.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And I'll make the case.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's maybe there's not a lot
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of people who understand that. You know that he made
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the College Hall of Fame and the College Hall of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Fame there are major I mean, that's where major players go, right,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's there.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: And I think to even be considered, don't you have
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: to be like a first team all Americans had?
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: I think he was.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: He was. He was the first team, the second team
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: that was.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I didn't make it, so I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: don't know what the requirements are.
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: But before we close out, I wanted to ask you
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: guys about again. You probably didn't watch it WrestleMania. Okay,
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: I know you didn't watch it. I watched it a
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: little bit, but I got it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: We got one minute. But look, look, who.
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: Is your favorite wrestler of all time? Did you have
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: a favorite wrestler going? I mean, I.
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: Guess, well no, but I will say because I hear
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: his name is HAULK Coke.
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: Yes, that's what I would have said, that you didn't
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: watch wrestling like in the seventies and like growing up
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: now for real either.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I think everybody watched wrestling at a time. No, you
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: think can you please? Can you please tell me why
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: you asked that question? Because you know it's WrestleMania is
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a big event. ESPN was covering it.
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  Speaker 7: It's like the first time that I seen like it
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  Speaker 7: get like sports coverage, like they were on ESPN radio,
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  Speaker 7: like it was all over the place. You normally it's
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: like one of those friends things that you just had
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: to buy pay per view. But you know, I think, well,
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: it's more into like.
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  Speaker 6: The I think they're trying to get the name out there.
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  Speaker 6: They probably signed a pretty call contract with ESPN to
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  Speaker 6: get all that coverage.
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  Speaker 1: You know so well, Lisa, just so you know you're
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  Speaker 1: not getting fired this week.
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  Speaker 7: Fire shout out to brock Lesser and he had his
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  Speaker 7: last match, so it was good man boy.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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