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Talks to Jon & Eddie Arnold about their choice of The Ice Warriors (1/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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The Doctor Who father and son are fear they may stop talking
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at some point. Commentary Podcast.
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Hello John. Hello, Eddie.
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Hello. Evening.
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Well, you're both smiling, so that's a good start.
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Yeah, I'm in the other room from him.
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I can. As usual, we're battling it out
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tonight because I've started to come to the conclusion that
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neither one of you gentlemen can agree on anything.
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Is this true? Well, we can agree on some
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things like like the the Andrew guitar is a good key to time
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story, but I don't know if we agree on anything else.
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Oh. Just that.
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Wow. There's there's probably more,
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but I'm just naming one example off the top of my head.
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Do you both like, say, the Curse of Fenrick?
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Yeah. John, is it all right?
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Yeah. Even it's not as good as season
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25. Season 25 isn't going it's.
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Because. Obviously great showing, the
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Galaxy says favorite who story. Oh, yes, it is.
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Yeah. Actually, we're going to do one
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on that one with John. I don't.
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I don't ever hear what your favorite story is, Joe.
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Me well Turn left is my favorite new who story and I think the
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war games might be my favorite classic.
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I love the war games. Good choice, Connoisseurs
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choice. Well, that's interesting because
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I I don't think it was even my favorite of the season.
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I have I have the invasion in the mind Robber above it.
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Are you putting the boxing gloves on already?
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Yeah, yeah. Good, good.
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I'm already I'm already ready to get bash for my comments on the
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Key to Time for the Pirate Planet.
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Yeah. Oh, I haven't read them yet.
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I saw all these comments coming in today and I thought I'll read
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them before I go to bed. But now you said that I'll read
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them in the morning because my blood boils before bed.
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Obviously, as I mentioned, I shaded City of Death.
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Oh no, I did read that one. Yeah, you're a Gary Russell on
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nuts. No, I'm no, I'm just not falling
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for fandoms propaganda. You wait till they're both on
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the same hat, same strictly, that's going to be.
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Fair oh season 2 I'm. Still preparing myself mentally
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now, even though it's not just yet fellas now.
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Still got two more season. No, no, I know something
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meteoric occurred between the US discussing the Silurians.
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You know, not the story, but you know that hideous Matt Smith
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episode and discussing this. What is that?
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Are you talking about Hooverville, perchance?
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That's right. And what happened to
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Hooverville? A Doctor Who convention,
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obviously. No, we met.
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We all met. Oh fabulous.
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For the first time in one place and you must didn't end, which
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we thought it might do. And you lot decided to go up to
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what I believe was the myth and legend sound and say he was a #1
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fan. Now that's while we're here
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talking about Hooverville, I know I brought it up.
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I think we all need to talk to John on your behalf, Eddie,
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frankly at the moment. And the piffling amount of money
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that you was allowed to spend in the merchandise hall, I mean
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what? I mean, you've got to account
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for inflation, John, £20 or whatever it was is going to get
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you nothing at all. 25 and he was and he was limiting that for
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me and my 2 cousins. No, no drink, drink.
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That was each Yeah, he could have had three pages of the
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dying days for that. Who could want more?
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Eddie, how much did he spend? I don't know actually.
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Oh, OK. You should have totaled that up
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it. Was all on the obvious books.
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Down. I thought you were chaperoning
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for the day. Well.
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No, not you, Eddie. Obviously I know someone may
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have spent about 80. Yeah, that was me, yes.
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On like 5 books. Unbelievably, yes.
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And a couple of BBVS. But did you have a nice time,
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Eddie? Yes.
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Yeah. Did you get to meet anyone?
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That Joe Martin. Oh wow, So what did you say to
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her? I mentioned how we were meant to
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meet her at regenerations in Swansea a couple years ago
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before she pulled out. You told her off.
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You told her. Off and she apologized.
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Of all the people you could tell off the war, the fugitive Dr.,
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you know, she's got a big gun, you know?
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You didn't have a big gun on here at the time.
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That's very true, I. Was quite impressed with
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obviously Eddie's cousin Evan because he actually went up in
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his first ever panel and went and asked a question.
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Steph the Wally is that. What was the question?
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It was like, what's your favorite TV role you've had?
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I'm assuming she didn't say that.
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Dismal episode. Joy to the whales.
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She did. I think she did say Anita was
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growing on here, but she mentioned about the stuff as
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well. Is that sort of growing on her
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like a fungus? Yeah.
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Probably Joy to the World is horrendous.
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Can we do that one one day please?
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Yeah, that's fine. Well, for the 15th dollar
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country, you can either do that or I can take you to the robot
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revolution again. Which one would you rather?
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Oh, I mean neither, but we'll do one of.
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Them you'd probably rather go and watch hungry S again.
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You must realise I just can't say no to you anymore.
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Whatever you say you want to do, we'll do it all right.
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As long as we. Yeah, we could be really bitchy
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about it. Of course.
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Of. Course we can.
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And John, does you have a lovely time.
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I had a fantastic time. There wasn't enough time to see
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everyone though, there never is in these things and I had to go
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home before the all the good stuff started in the.
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Evening, obviously, because he had to drive us all home and not
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get drunk. Yeah.
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Shocking. What?
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Don't get that drunk. Wait.
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Yes, you do. You stay up till like 6:00 AM at
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every convention you go to. I always get the truth, you
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know, on these ones where you're here.
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I don't know what bullshit he's telling me when you're not here
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and whether it's true or not, but I always get the truth when
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you're ready. Thank you.
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I'm John. Am I correct?
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Did you sit on my knee at one point?
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And have a I. I believe we have photographic
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evidence. And then Luke Malloy jumped on
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mine as well. Yeah, I know, Gordon.
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What a tart. Basically a gangbang.
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I mean, I don't know what was going on there in that cafe.
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It was a dream come true. It was wonderful to meet both of
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you in the flesh. It was so nice and I hope we.
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Can do it against what? He met both of us in the rebel
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flesh. Oh, Eddie, why do you keep
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bringing up dreadful stories? God awful he's.
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Bring me out in hives in a minute.
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Well, Eddie, why don't you tell everybody just what we're here
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to talk about today? We're here to talk about the
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people with Lego hands that. So we're here to watch him.
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Lego Movie, obviously. No, I mean the Ice Warriors.
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That's right. Now who's chosen this one for
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us? Eddie's got his hand up now.
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That may be a slight indication of where feelings are around
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this, but I'm going to ask you both your initial thoughts on
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the Ice Warriors before we explore it together, Eddie.
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Well, so basically this doesn't just go for the Ice Warriors,
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but as a whole, Season 5 is one of my favorite classic seasons
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for I think I think it's my in my top five somewhere.
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Oh gosh, why it? I think it's really consistent
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run of stories. It's like even the ones I
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consider not as good as still like pretty decent.
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It's like run through two more Cybermen.
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That one's decent. Abominable Snowman I really
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like, but unfortunately Rob Valentine stole that one.
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Ice Warriors, we'll get around to it, don't worry.
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We'll get around to. It Ice Warriors.
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We're here right now. Then enemy, the world's OK.
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Banger, Yeah. Then Weather fee is pretty good
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but I prefer abominable snowmen honestly.
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Then Fury from the deep that's pretty good too.
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And then Wheel in Space is 1 I don't usually think much of, but
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I quite liked it when I watched it last time.
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I like Gemma Corwin in The Wheel in Space I.
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Almost thought you said you'd like Jenna Coleman.
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Oh, no. Bless you.
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Well, you misheard that, I'm afraid.
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And John, your initial thoughts on the Ice Warriors, please.
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I was. Going to say, you know what the
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best thing about Wheel in Space is?
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There's no Victoria in it. There's no.
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That is true. That is.
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True, I'm starting, I'm starting to think we should have had
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Fraser on this so we could have another Victoria defender.
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Look, you've got 6 bloody comments from Fraser to read
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out, all right? Six essays that you've written
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for us. Yeah, at least it's not 50. 100
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reasons to love the episode. No, if I'd have asked for 55,
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Eddie would have given us 55, You know that.
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So you asked him for all these? No, I said to him, I said, look,
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I know you wanted he wanted to do an Ice Warriors commentary
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and I said, well, I'm doing this one, so I won't do it again for
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some time, a couple of years at least.
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So if you want some input. And then I thought he maybe just
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leave me, you know, two line comments.
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Oh God no, the messages started coming in.
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When did Fraser ever keep himself to two lines?
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No, and wait, wait till he reads them out because he's trying to
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be witty and each one of them walks.
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I was actually showing them to my father earlier when when we
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just got back in and he. Was looking much of them.
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Yeah, he was like, oh God, how much is this?
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And this is me. I'm not known for being short.
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That's your that's your challenge at the end of Episode
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1, then to read out the first one.
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All right. I'm sorry, John, you didn't
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actually get to say what you thought of this.
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Oh, God, it's, I mean, you know, when I was came into Bandam,
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it's we had, when was it the 20th?
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Yeah, it was the Radio Times 20th anniversary special
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celebration. You were told that this season
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was the Acme of Doctor Who. And I think it could well be
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when you're a kid because a lot of it is in that repetitive base
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under siege formats. But I've just kind of fallen out
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of love with that base under siege format completely over the
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years. It's my least favorite kind of
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type of whom. Well, yes, that's that's because
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you're just wrong and a body, you stupid bastard.
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Well ohh, he's coming in, firing this time but you not remember
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now. He is a child, isn't he?
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Like he is a young man and you're an old man Sex.
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Off 18. Eddie, I feel you may fall out
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of love with the base under siege format as you get older.
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Well, well, look at it this way. Pyramids Mars is my favorite
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story and that's basically basically Then the impossible
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Planet is my second favorite and that's base under siege so.
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Terror of the Vervoids obviously is a banger that's base under
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siege. You should have heard my mum's
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reaction when I when it's it says on my marathon sometimes I
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fell asleep during episodes and funnily enough I think on
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vervoids because I was tired, I fell asleep during all the
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vervoy stuff. Like I woke up right as the
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final part ended of the trial and vervoids in Yeah.
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So when I told her I was going to re watch all of Part 2 to 4
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she was like oh God no. Do I have to watch it all again?
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Bonnie Langford bouncing around in gym gear.
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Who Who would win in a scream, Bonnie Langford or Deborah
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Watling? Oh, probably Bonnie, I reckon.
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Oh, every time. Why don't I actually say
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Victoria in the Ice Warriors when she's in the ice cage?
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I mean, she brings down the whole mountain with us.
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What I mean, what about in Fury from the Deep?
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Well yes, yeah, but think about male in that bubble in time and
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Iran is she screamed for about 10 years didn't she they.
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Tried to give her Victoria stuff to act in fusion on the deeper
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Jesus. No, don't go there.
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So sorry everyone, my father doesn't have taste, but we will
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hopefully rectify this by the end of the episode.
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I don't think Brian Hales is great as a wrong to you, the
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doctor. Don't tell that to Gary.
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I'll kill you. Yeah, I know he will.
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Well, I mean, Terrence basically rewrote the seeds of Death,
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didn't he? And then did a.
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Yeah, back after his old Terra peloton.
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As well. But yeah, it's like the only
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Brian Hill story. I'm not particularly only Brian
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Hills. I'm not particularly fond of his
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Curse of Peloton. Oh wow, that's 'cause you're bad
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and wrong. Yeah.
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And then obviously, would it be, would it be right to state that
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the monster of Peloton's my favorite?
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Oh, Joe, I've grown quite fond of those years.
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You're insane, Davros. It gave us Ettis and Gebbic the
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miners, didn't it? The Haze.
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The Haze, Great in monsters and funnily.
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Enough it also it also has these amazing monsters in this story
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we're about to watch called the Ice Warriors.
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Well, that is true. Thank you for keeping us on
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topic there. I'm glad you're chaperoning this
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call. Yeah, well, for my part of the
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Ice Warriors, I really like it. I find this is more I feel like
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this is a historical story set in the future because unusually
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for the Trout and era, it's a character piece and there are
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some great characters in this and.
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What is it being Vic? Well, the dialogue in the future
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stories in the Trout and era, it's just really quite bad at
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times. Whereas I think this has got
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some really thoughtful characterisation, really
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thoughtful dialogue. I think Derek Martins direction
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is pretty great in this as well. Well to be fair, he is quite a
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good director anyway, because I believe he also did to be ahead
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from space as well. Also dude, the war machines And
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what's the other one? Planet.
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And the 10th planet. And frankly, I would say that
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out of all of those, the Ice Warriors, probably the weakest
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kissler. Oh wait, I got it wrong.
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He didn't do the war machines, did he?
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Ask Michael Ferguson. No.
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Among Fergusons, Yeah, Yeah. He did evil of the Daleks.
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Oh. Boy, OK, I might say either of
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the Darks are slightly weaker than the Ice Warriors, but
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that's. Certainly an opinion.
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Other than that, all bangers. Yeah, I I just want to say for
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season, but whenever we do the strictly Toby, he's mad.
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Listen to him. No, Toby said.
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He was the next generation recently when he read out a
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comment for us strictly and said listen to him, he knows what
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he's talking about. Well, yeah, but then did you see
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his face when I said hungry? I think cold bloods.
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Good. Well, yes, if looks could kill
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you would be a splat on the wall.
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Yeah. Now.
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Yeah. But I do.
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I think he's got an impossible task.
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He has literally got to realise a an Arctic location in a studio
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and I think with a mixture of stock footage, some great sets
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and some really clever direction, he pulls it off
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really well. You've got a great Dudley
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Simpson score as well going. I think we're going to sing that
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as we go. It's brilliant.
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I'm well, I'm not because I'm because I am more Yes, you are
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these two. You don't want to sing, Eddie.
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Come on. It's the most joyful things you
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can do. If I'm singing a long twenty
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thing, it'll be on my walk to culture and I've actually got
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music on. It's so weird.
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That's chase sequence with Victoria in episode 4.
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I mean, Dudley just goes mad, doesn't he?
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It's like. Hilarious and.
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The woman's sort of going. I prefer that.
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I prefer that to the Sea Devil score any day.
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That's not really a score though, is it?
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That's somebody abusing a machine.
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Magnificent. Yeah, unfortunately I have to
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hear my father's ear. I have to hear my father's ear
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bleeding noises every time he. Mentions it.
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You don't play that album, Eddie.
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Well, sympathies. I can't imagine anyone listening
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to that for fun. My years have hit already from
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him. Well, look, we've got 6 episodes
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to talk through. We're doing 3 today.
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Should we get going and see what this remarkable story has to
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offer? Sorry I've got I've got my iPad
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has auto lock on because of an incident with my phone recently
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so I just had to turn it back on.
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What happened with your phone or am I?
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Basically, well basically it's like I I forgot to have screen
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lock on my phone. So like images are burning into
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the screen now if I leave them on too long.
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Oh no. It's like, I think earlier when
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I was doing something else when I was chatting to you, I think
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that burnt in. If I was just on, like if I was
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just on another app like YouTube or something, I would just see
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Joe Ford in the top. Oh.
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The horror. Oh well, look, somebody, well,
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somebody please count us in. I think my father would rather
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count himself out. Well, tough.
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He's got to do it. You drag me in.
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That's right. But come on, let's all do the
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music. I'd start it only it's only in
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the first episode. It's.
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All right, I've already disinherited you for the cold.
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Yeah, it's a couple of the 100 beers.
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You remember, though, you're on two?
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No, you remember, Eddie, I did insist that if we were going to
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do this one next time we've got to do one that your father
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likes. Oh yes, we have.
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We have picked one that he what are.
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We doing next? Let's do that now quickly.
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I'm sorry or no? Unfortunately, it will be a
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chore for us. It will be heaven sent.
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Christ. Oh, both Muppets power.
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Come on. I can deal with Hell Band, but
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haven't you? Will be like us.
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Watch. I would rather watch a paint
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wall dry for about 3 days straight and eat an island of
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garbage with my teeth manually. Even watch hasn't sent to.
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Me too, Eddie. I'll tell you what.
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Because you do it soon. How about your dad does the
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commentary? Yeah.
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And you and me will do your own work or something while it's
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home. Something about that.
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Interesting. OK.
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So yeah, we're currently. Doing Doctor Who in in college
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as well for his work. So yeah, you're on.
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I did make the promise. I did make the promise, so we
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will endure that, but you have to endure this first deal.
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I'll I'll live with it. I don't think he will.
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Can someone count us in in block capitals like we get on the
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titles please? OK.
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Go. That's very dramatic, Eddie, and
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may I say. I love this title sequence as
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well. Well, it's very it's quite
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exotic, isn't it? I can't quite figure out what
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it's supposed. It's supposed to be the Time
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Vortex? Probably because that's what we
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see in nursing. Child, I think they all they're
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all meant to be in Time Vortex aren't.
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They well aside. Aside, obviously, the Davidson
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one. It's very disturbing the way
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Patrick Troughton's fights. Here we are.
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I'm sorry everyone, I accidentally brought two more
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children on the podcast. Oh my God, hang on, is that a
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stalagmite or a stalagmite? Or is it just an icicle?
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It's just an. Icicle.
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It's a piece of ice. Now come on though, come on,
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John. Admit it's quite fun.
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They're doing something different with the titles.
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Oh. God yeah, I love it when they
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met. Series 7 War.
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Games there's a There's a mark of a lack of quality straight
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away. Brian Hales.
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Terroristics said he was the loveliest man.
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He's probably, he's a lovely man, but it doesn't mean he's
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any good one. It's not even part, it's not
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episode, it's just one. It doesn't need a part, it
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doesn't need an episode. It's just that good one because
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you know why it considers itself the only Doctor Who story.
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Alarm. Blaze It has too much
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confidence. Now listen, can't just say the
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music here with the piano going, it's just great.
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Hard to remember this without sound.
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See. This is the one thing I do like
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about. It's that that it's got a
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contrast about scientific stuff and then it's got a basic view
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of that and the house wood panel in the Vic.
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Absolutely perfect Doctor Who, a mixture of the old and the new.
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And there's something here that none of us have stated yet that
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we've got Wallace from Wallace and Gromit here.
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Oh yes? What's his name?
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Peter Salas. Peter Salas.
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Yeah. Now it'll save the day.
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It'll save the day with some Bensley Dale cheese.
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What year is this setting? Does anyone know?
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3000 was it. I think it's 3000.
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Top of my head, a 1967 studio. I was going to sing Busted then
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I've been to the year 3000. Everybody's wearing ridiculous
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clothes. I mean, I'm very Doctor Who.
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Oh, I'm pleased we're not living in free fascinative.
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We've got to wear those ridiculous wackaday costumes.
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Frank Well, frankly, if anything, if sexy here is
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anything to go off, I'm glad. I'm glad I'm not wearing
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anything from the house. Can anyone do an accurate
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impression of the computer? It's got a very great voice.
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Isn't it the? Isn't it Roy Skelton voicing
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this? I don't know.
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No, I can't do it. Are finally been beaten by
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something. Oh, unlucky.
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I don't know now what do you think then of this whole, you
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know, all of humanity is slaves to the great computer?
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It's basically the Internet now, isn't?
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It it's like they want to choose the war machines again as well.
21:20
Yeah, but in the war machines he's trying to take over here in
21:23
the future, that machine is governing everything.
21:27
I think it's just wolf hands. Oh, you think this is what Wotan
21:30
got up to after the war machines?
21:32
Yeah, I thought they could have tied it in.
21:35
Fine, thanks. He has basically flashed, but
21:36
he's a moving mountain of ice. Come on, that's a great line.
21:40
Yeah, but it's not. But the best line of the ice
21:43
wars is in the book, and the next year's spring never came.
21:48
That approximation, that's poetry, that that was the ice
21:53
war is that I prefer to be honest, because you don't have
21:55
to face with them taking half an hour to say every frigging line.
21:59
So it's the whole of the Earth, like like, like I see now, the
22:04
whole of the Earth. It's like an Ice Age again,
22:06
probably. This is the barriers and they're
22:09
holding it back here, so I don't know about Europe.
22:15
So it wants to. It literally wants to consume
22:18
the whole continent. Yes, and.
22:20
There's a planetary threat, yeah.
22:22
And. And that's the.
22:24
Idea. Oh, they found something.
22:26
It it is quite a clever kind of thing to come play into the
22:30
climate change thing, because this is the very.
22:32
The one they found here. Before the green green kind of
22:35
movement took out good. Grief.
22:38
That looks like a fake green movie.
22:39
Ice. Yeah.
22:41
You know, it might almost be like this warrior in there might
22:44
be an ice warrior. Now, I don't care what you say,
22:47
John, All this stuff on film in the ice caves is gorgeous.
22:52
I just think it looks beauty. I genuinely believe they're out
22:56
on a mountain there. Yeah, particularly for the 60s
23:01
studios because let's face it, they don't have a great track
23:04
record of being convincing to modernize.
23:06
You know, it obviously played better back in the day when all
23:10
TV was like this essentially. Or a backdrop when ITC.
23:15
What occurred then? The Ice Warriors came down in
23:18
their spaceship and then came out and then got frozen.
23:22
Yeah, because they couldn't. Yes, I.
23:24
Think it's because they couldn't go over to Lego and get their
23:27
commissions for them to be Lego figures.
23:30
They would make great Lego figures, wouldn't they?
23:33
Imagine if you could have like an Ice Warrior set for Lego.
23:37
Unfortunately we had to get Amy Pond in multiple sets so.
23:41
No. Well, paint a green, Eddie.
23:43
Paint a green and put a helmet on her head and then just say
23:46
she's an ice warrior. Well, maybe she'll look more
23:48
beautiful than according to you. Well, absolutely.
23:51
Oh Eddie, this bit of business now when the TARDIS arrives on
23:54
the side, you must love all this.
23:56
Oh yeah, when it lands like wrong way up in the snow.
23:59
It slides down the mountain. It's so funny.
24:03
Here we go. You're struggling to hate this
24:10
at the moment, John, aren't you? Yes, but it's all right.
24:14
In a minute I'll be up there. He'll be fine because look who's
24:18
coming to play. Now.
24:22
Patrick dragon great he see this is he's the redeeming feature of
24:27
this. He's making so much out of so
24:30
little with these kind of mid these middle source.
24:33
I love him as a doctor, but I just can't love this season.
24:37
Did they dig a hole there? Because it really felt as if he
24:39
fell. Here she is quite.
24:42
Oh, there she, now it. Looks like a baby in this part.
24:45
I just want to say outright, right, Because I.
24:47
Really. Dislike Victoria but and it's a
24:52
big butt, but I think the chemistry between Trout and
24:56
Watling and Heinz is really good.
24:58
So I think when they're all together there's great
25:01
chemistry. It's just when she's on her own
25:04
and sniveling and screaming and getting tripped over and all.
25:08
Oh please, that's my issue. But then then, you know, you get
25:12
Wendy Perry next year and the chemistry goes up and ups to my
25:15
mind as well. No, it doesn't.
25:16
Because she can. She can actually act.
25:20
Oh, I would like a coat like that.
25:21
You know that Yeti coat. I want the coat too.
25:24
Yeah. I saw a figure of this at
25:26
Hooverville but it was like £60. Should we get fabulous Yeti fur
25:30
coats? I do, and then the next
25:32
convention will sort of swish about the place as yetis.
25:35
Oh yeah. OK, we'll do it frankly.
25:36
I'm still loving Yeti cosmos, unfortunately it's too expensive
25:40
it. Looks so.
25:41
And the winter's coming, you know.
25:42
So have you got a nice fur coat like that for the winter?
25:45
Well, now what is that? I would like a coat like that.
25:51
Is that backdrop supposed to be the front of the house?
25:53
I think it is, yeah. It's terrible, isn't it?
25:57
Even by Peter Salas There are. Oh yes, Wallace, it's.
26:04
Probably going off to find grommet or something.
26:06
What's the best Wallace and Gromit story?
26:08
Well the only on, well the owner I remember watching is the one
26:11
at Christmas because obviously all the other ones came out in
26:14
2008 and before so. It's the wrong trousers.
26:19
The wrong trousers. Yes, that's wonderful.
26:22
I. Love that.
26:23
Sorry, the Penguin with the rubber glove on its head.
26:25
The greatest building you'll ever see in anything.
26:27
Oh there he is. Wasn't that evil Penguin back
26:30
though at Christmas? Yeah, fellas, McGraw.
26:33
He is the most evil character, never mind Doctor Who villains.
26:36
That Penguin is the most evil character in all of television.
26:39
The look in those. Eyes.
26:41
It's terrifying. Doesn't that toy scare you?
26:44
Ready that Penguin? Oh yes, it does, every day,
26:48
because it sounds conveniently like my father a lot of the
26:51
time. Whilst you're taking it around
26:53
with you now it's plotting the destruction of the Earth.
26:56
It probably. Is.
26:58
All Penguins do, yeah. Now, Peter Butterworth.
27:02
Butterworth. Is that right?
27:04
Yeah. That was Madly Monk.
27:06
No Barkworth, is it? Barkworth.
27:09
Yes, yeah, Peter Barkworth, I think that is an extraordinary
27:12
performance he gives in this. I absolutely believe in that
27:16
game. It has to be, because it's that
27:18
base commander role is generally just repested and terrible and
27:23
the same damn thing over and over again.
27:25
Unfortunately my father has no taste to everyone, so you may
27:28
need to bear with whilst we convince him.
27:30
Well, I'll start then because because I think he's.
27:33
Way up above Robson in theory. Oh, for sure.
27:36
But like he does, he literally plays on the fact that he's,
27:40
he's disabled, doesn't he? So he's hobbling about the place
27:43
and fainting, you know, but he's also a bit anxious, a bit
27:47
petulant and, and snappy. And I don't know, I just, I, I
27:50
really believe he's a base commander under pressure.
27:55
Yeah, yeah. I mean, to me, the one thing
27:58
while I'm not particularly enjoying this one, it's so well
28:01
cast. Yeah, in his slowest wanted, I
28:04
think the role in the plane makers.
28:06
This is where we meet Toby just as this kind this encyclopedia.
28:10
But yeah, these these are really good kind of 60s character
28:14
actors. It's exactly you should be
28:16
casting Doctor Who do. You know, there's an incredibly
28:19
racist moment in a minute where they say, oh, you'll be sent to
28:23
the labour camps in Africa or something, and Victoria goes, Oh
28:26
no, not Africa, Like it's the worst place in the world.
28:32
She's racist as well. To be fair, she was from the
28:35
1860s when that was still accepted.
28:38
She ain't from the 60s, she's from the Victorian times 18.
28:42
Sorry, sorry. I mean back then off now.
28:45
Back then the government didn't even like the working class, so
28:48
it's like, what were they going to do if they like people of
28:51
colour? Yeah, that's true.
28:54
I just don't like hearing it really, because you know, things
28:56
are dodgy right now. I mean currently, currently I'm
29:00
doing a course in history on 1890 to 1990.
29:03
So learning all this here, it's like, oh they don't care for all
29:08
the damn working class. I'm sure you're learning about
29:13
some horrors within that period. We get to learn about
29:16
entertainment as well. So what may come up in the 60s?
29:20
OK, such as visions of the future like this.
29:24
Yes. I mean, come on, look at trout
29:28
on here running around the room, turning the dials, saving the
29:31
day right in the episode one this.
29:36
I think this. He has energy to everything.
29:38
Unfortunately we get moves where he can't add energy later on.
29:45
I think him adding energy is probably one of the reasons he's
29:47
my favorite doctor. Why is he your favorite dog
29:50
apart from that though? Because I feel like I see a lot
29:53
of my own personality traits in him as well.
29:57
And what? Fiercely intelligent Eddie
30:00
always outwitting the other side.
30:03
Well, I'm always outwitting my father.
30:04
I know you are, yeah. And then and then obviously at
30:08
times it, he's obviously very silly, just like myself.
30:12
That's right. Well, he's your Jamie, of
30:14
course. So what you're saying he's a
30:16
cheeky short ass just. Like you.
30:18
Oh, no, that makes me Victoria. Oh, no.
30:23
Oh please, I can't do this anymore.
30:25
Don't, don't, don't say that my father would be Jamie.
30:28
That would be an insult to phrase her.
30:32
Why don't do that? No, John, don't do that.
30:38
Turns it to David Tennant for a second there.
30:41
I, I love Troutham because I like that switch between the
30:46
comic and the Sinner stuff that he does so well and just how
30:50
everyone always underestimates him.
30:53
And yeah, he's, he's the cleverest man in the room, but
30:56
he comes across like he's the most foolish man in the room.
31:00
It's such a great turn, I think, as the Doctor.
31:02
Yeah, I mean, when I was what's it?
31:04
I saw him the croutons on Five Faces season and he was my
31:09
favorite doctor from that alone. Back in your back in the days of
31:13
old. Back when.
31:15
We had jokes. All we had was.
31:18
Yes, back in my day, young man. Not Joe was still a baby by that
31:23
point as well. So you being.
31:25
Conscious he might not even be born.
31:27
No, eight years. In. 1981.
31:30
I believe. I was 1 then just born.
31:35
But my father, my father was about like 7 or so, so he was
31:41
conscious enough to remember it. Now, what do you think of this
31:44
synergy that this man here, this sort of tubby man that he's
31:47
talking to, he coined the name Ice Warrior.
31:51
He goes. There's a paper Ice Warrior,
31:53
isn't he? Then then all of a sudden they
31:57
just call themselves Ice Warriors later on.
31:59
Well, and stuff like Waters of Mars, like yeah, the Ice Warrior
32:03
culture and all of this, why don't make no sense.
32:06
Yeah, despite the fact that this is set like 1000 years ahead of
32:09
it. Yeah.
32:11
Continuity is. And it's and it's a bunch who
32:13
have no contact with the rest of their race after this.
32:17
Oh, I love this bloke. Angus, Lenny, anything he's in,
32:20
I just love. Glorious.
32:22
And it's like he's. Crossroads fella, isn't he Angus
32:25
And he's in Yes, I. Can can I just say I don't I
32:30
think even see to death is set after the water Mars because
32:32
it's at like 100 years in the future from 60s.
32:35
Well, yeah, because they've got the team at things then, haven't
32:38
they? They could have just popped to
32:39
Miles in no time. So the Ice Warriors hadn't even
32:41
reappeared in the modern show yet, and all of a sudden they
32:43
just know on human databases. Yeah, now you're not one of
32:49
those fans, are you? That's got all the continuities
32:51
got to add up. No, I'm not.
32:53
I'm not one who debates the unit dated controversy.
32:56
You do me a. Favor.
32:57
Yes, he's Lancey. Yes, he's Lance Parkin, Junior
32:59
what can. I say you do me a favour then
33:03
please and talk to my other half.
33:04
He's obsessed with everything fitting into a big jigsaw
33:06
puzzle. It's just so strange.
33:09
I said just enjoy it, enjoy the stories.
33:11
Yeah, that's what I do. Oh my God, look at this.
33:15
A fucking mountain's about to fall on him.
33:17
If if only Karen Gill have been there.
33:20
Oh, no. Oh, please.
33:21
You're talking about language. I mean, look at that.
33:24
That's a fine bit of polystyrene that they've thrown all over
33:26
that man, wouldn't you say it is.
33:28
Glorious dust. Yeah, all that.
33:31
See, this is actually really well done.
33:33
I don't despite. That you know, I only noticed
33:36
you saying kind things so far. You know, maybe we might have.
33:40
Convinced it starts off fine. It is.
33:42
The first episode of every Doctor Who story is probably the
33:45
best one because you get the idea.
33:50
There are exceptions to every rule.
33:53
Don't you worry, because when later in the story, when you get
33:56
desperate for nice things to say, I have bought my ukulele,
33:59
which I have bought on Saturday. Planning on singing you Ice
34:04
Warrior songs all right. Was that the one you posted?
34:08
Photo I'm glad you bought that to play, not the bloody well
34:10
mannered war. Victoria, why are you such an
34:15
annoying cow? You know, stuff like that.
34:19
Singing my song. Come on there.
34:23
We. Go you should, you should get,
34:25
you should get back with whoever makes the hamster intro and just
34:27
make that in the studio. You don't want me singing Jesus
34:31
Christ. You've heard some of it today.
34:35
Oh, this is the bit, isn't it? Where they talk about the
34:38
glaciers coming and the base holding them back.
34:42
And they just mentioned to bet as well.
34:44
Reference to the last story, The amazing Abominable Snowman.
34:48
I mean some surprise you like this really, given this comes
34:51
after your favorite. Yeah, and as well, so I I was
34:57
also recently looking up the day since the Yeti last had their
35:00
own individual stories. Obviously they appear in the
35:02
Five Doctors which makes no sense, but their last full story
35:07
recently just hit 21,000 days ago.
35:10
Really. Oh.
35:14
My word. That's a very specific figure,
35:17
you know. Yeah, I, I was looking it up as
35:20
well. So it's a bit more than that
35:22
now. It's about I think probably a
35:25
week on since it was the 6th September that it turned 21,000
35:29
days. Since you're quite good at this
35:31
sort of thing, how many days has it been since I last talked?
35:34
Since on Hampstead with blunt pen knife?
35:36
Oh. Well, actually.
35:41
Was first absolutely good. What?
35:43
Actually no. When you all voted Empress of
35:46
Mars 3 on 10B, that's when you were talking sense.
35:49
Oh yeah. Oh, Ice Warriors, of course.
35:53
And then when you all voted the demons through, that was talking
35:56
sentence. So Eddie, if I was to add Ice
35:59
Warriors to Midnight, would you then deem it a classic?
36:03
What? Well, it depends, because I
36:08
like, I like basically every Ice Warrior story.
36:11
Sort of like Chris Peldon. I'm not as big but I like every
36:14
Ice Warrior story and that includes cold walk is my iPad
36:18
and computer background is a shot of the ice warrior from
36:20
Cold War like in the blue lighting?
36:23
Oh, and they nearly drown Clara as well, which is quite
36:25
marvelous. Well, I mean, one nearly kills
36:28
it so. Yeah, Oh, wonderful.
36:31
And This is why you love the Ice Warriors.
36:35
If only I've been Karen Gillan there.
36:37
I've got an unusually serious question for you, Eddie, OK?
36:41
You and. Sirius that's right.
36:43
I'm going to bring down my voice to a serious level now.
36:47
No, this is 6 episodes long. Yeah, it's not a fast moving
36:53
story. It is dialogue heavy and you are
36:58
a young man that's been brought up on modern television, which
37:02
moves very fast, is much more cinematic.
37:05
So what is it about this? Like, Like you really like this
37:09
and I'm assuming you don't mind the pace?
37:12
I have been brought up on losing modern television, but at the
37:15
same time it's like I've been in, I've been in the room enough
37:18
when they've been playing sort of classic stuff and I've what
37:21
obviously watched all the classic coup.
37:22
So by the by the time I was at the ice.
37:25
So sorry. By the time I was at the Ice
37:28
Warriors, I done the darts master plan.
37:29
I think I could handle anything. So the pace doesn't bother you
37:32
at all, no. No, Pace doesn't usually bother.
37:36
Yeah, it's like, sadly, I have to sit in the room every week
37:38
when he's playing like old Top of the Pops and whatnot.
37:41
Oh yeah. But I've just been introduced to
37:43
that by my other half. But so.
37:45
So what is it here then? Is it because you like the
37:48
monsters? You like the characters?
37:50
I do really like the monsters. So yes you do know for his
37:56
back-to-back it's like 2 banger monsters I think.
38:00
I think one point I did a list of my five favorite multi
38:03
designs and they were up there. The only other one I can
38:08
Remember Remember off the top of my head being in there is the
38:11
Marshman. Oh I love the Marshman.
38:14
Got that silhouette shot when they come out of the water.
38:17
In Part 1. When that happened, I knew I was
38:20
hooked on the story. And at what point did you know
38:24
you was hooked on Doctor Who? Basically from the second I was
38:28
born. Yeah, you didn't have a hope
38:31
really, did you? Well, no.
38:33
I was in. I was in the presence of my
38:35
mother and father. I had no chance.
38:37
Yeah. It's like I can't be asked how
38:39
did I discover Doctor whoever, because my answer would be I was
38:42
born in. I was born to Carolyn and John
38:44
Arnold. Wow, that's a good answer.
38:48
Yeah, let's. Talk about any of this.
38:50
Story yet? Yeah.
38:55
So eventually I'm going to be after giving all this stuff to
38:57
sigh on live even possible things as.
38:58
Well, well, yes, I mean you said about it was going to get in
39:01
touch, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:04
I don't know how I'm going to say.
39:05
I was saying she's Doctor Who. Oh, I was born into a family of
39:08
Doctor Who lovers. And you could start it
39:10
traumatized by two Doctor Who fans, something like that, you
39:14
know, and. I and I instantly wanted to get.
39:16
I instantly wanted to. You know, when he was, you know,
39:19
few months old, he got see, you know, season series 4.
39:25
What more do you want? Come on, Tennant Tate.
39:29
OK. Cribbins.
39:31
Peak Doctor Who cribbins. What a great time to be alive
39:35
that was. Unfortunately, I don't remember
39:37
any of it. Not well, no, but you can
39:40
rewatch it. You've seen it enough since.
39:42
You know, I'm going to make a suggestion.
39:43
You know that if you find the bloody great creature in the ice
39:48
in it sort of Viking helmet, you're carrying a gun.
39:52
Don't take cut out the ice and bring it into the base.
39:58
This is it. And then set it to four.
40:00
I mean, no, it's great for the drama because then there's a
40:02
great monster going about the place.
40:04
Wonderful. But like, logically it doesn't
40:07
make a lot of sense. No, This is why I don't like
40:09
Bradley held his storage and Peter Brian doing the script.
40:12
I think he isn't the best script.
40:15
He's as bad good as script address.
40:16
He's a director. It's just you can see why Brian
40:20
Hales only kind of shines under under Terrance.
40:23
He's got somebody who's got the structure and he.
40:26
Needs are you? Are you implying he's not
40:27
shining here and he didn't shine with Celestial Toy Maker?
40:31
Well, I think it's less your toy maker.
40:33
Just a bit if he's not seen the animation the.
40:36
Animation is amazing. It's wonderful, but it is
40:39
propping up a pretty lousy script.
40:42
Yeah. Well you I will say you can't
40:46
handle the. AdWords you.
40:47
Should see the the background scene of you know how they came
40:51
to do that is really nice and done here because it allows
40:53
Trenton to do it to give a load of energy to it.
40:56
This is. So funny look they bring down a
40:59
screen so they can't see the ice warrior while he's melting.
41:02
I would keep a good eye on that bloody thing while he's melting.
41:08
More ice melting. Oh, listen to Jamie's rampant
41:11
sexism now. Oh, Victoria.
41:12
Yeah, do you fancy wearing one of those skirts that the girls
41:15
are wearing? He's no.
41:17
Actress not thinking about it? Well, no.
41:19
And they say Moffett brought sex into Doctor.
41:22
Yeah. If actor said that to Teiger,
41:24
did he? He'd get a slap around the face.
41:26
I said no, I think, I think Tegan wouldn't even do that.
41:29
I think Tegan would. I think Tegan would.
41:31
Didn't see take him back to the Fraser.
41:33
I think you're. Probably.
41:34
Why would she need a slap? Or she just stay into it.
41:38
Lick your hands. Amazing design.
41:41
Look at this yeah part. Look at how hairy his face is.
41:45
And then it ends. They literally changed the
41:47
design between episode 1 and episode 2, don't they?
41:51
Yeah, and his mouth is more visible here too.
41:54
I mean, I don't know why they gave him so much hair around his
41:57
mouth. It's very old.
41:59
To be honest, I was enjoying that so much I didn't even
42:00
realize it was already the end. I think that's a superb episode
42:04
1. It sets up the scenario
42:06
dramatically. It's beautifully realized, the
42:09
regulars are fun. It's got a Ruddy great monster
42:12
in it that's come alive at the end.
42:14
What is there to complain about there, John?
42:17
There is much a complaint in the first episode, but you see,
42:20
we've already got. Over it.
42:21
If we just keep it up like this for the rest of the story,
42:24
you'll get them to love it. Yeah, don't worry, we'll wear
42:27
him down eventually. Anyway.
42:30
You know what might help Eddie? Is it the comment from Fraser?
42:33
Yeah. That might help actually.
42:35
Hold on, let me just get rid of autoplay a second.
42:39
So now first comment from Fraser Gregory himself.
42:44
The 2nd Doctor has written really well.
42:46
Well, I'm a genius, he proclaims in the inferior remake Clash
42:50
sequel to this the following year.
42:51
But here he gets to prove it, solving the problem with the
42:54
ionizer from a few readouts and deducting a climate catastrophe
42:57
in 45 seconds. But he never loses that impish
43:00
charm, doing his thumbs on the floor and picking a pricking the
43:04
pomposity of the machines to get a glass of water.
43:06
It's an exceptionally good showing.
43:10
I mean, I don't think we can argue with that, right?
43:12
So one of Fraser's points is Patrick Trout, and as the
43:14
Doctor, and we've all extolled the virtues of this man in this
43:18
episode. You know, I think if I ever need
43:20
a lawyer in court, I'll be calling up Fraser because he'll
43:22
be able to give an argument so long that all the rest will fall
43:24
asleep. They'll say by the end they'll
43:27
go, yeah, you're not guilty. Yes, just shut him up.
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Just and and. Then he'll start on them with
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his list of the 60 greatest stories.
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I mean, I really enjoyed that first episode.
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Eddie, did you? Oh yeah.
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John. He was tolerable.
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Tolerable. Good grief.
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I think we're doing all right, Eddie, so far.
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Yeah, there's, there's not much Ice Warriors.
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It's not much of Varga the Ice Warrior.
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What Varga plant the ice Warrior?
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Excuse me, Lucy's got a name. Very often these villains don't
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have names at all. Oh well, maybe you get along
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with the Varga plants. Oh, I love the Varg plants.
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They're made out of cold wall, didn't they?
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Well. Of course he'd love them because
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they're long, tall things. I beg your pardon.
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Good growth. I've heard enough commentary
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from you to know what you're into, yeah.
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Excuse me, I don't usually get things of this nature from
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children. OK, No, you're right.
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You are right, John. What have you done to this
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child? I'd let him listen to.
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This is all your fault. Social services rain tomorrow.
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I've only listened to two commentaries anyway.
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No, to be fair, I think if social services are coming
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around there might have been the episode where I'll suggest we
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gas all the children from the Moffit era.
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I mentioned about the crack. Yeah, you did.
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Oh boy, oh boy. Well, let's see what other
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delights we can find in the Ice Warriors.
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Should we jump in and watch episode 2?
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Yes, for the dramatic cliffhanger, I suppose.
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I'll allow it there.