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Men, you need these political beliefs or you're undatable! | Maintaining Frame 133 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hello everybody, and welcome to Honeybatcher Radio. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Brian, I'm here with Alison and this is
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  Speaker 1: the latest episode of Maintaining Frame number one thirty three. Men,
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  Speaker 1: you need these political beliefs or you're undateable. Hm hm, yes,
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  Speaker 1: beware of becoming the red flag. How do you know
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  Speaker 1: you becoming a red flag? Well, we'll tell you when
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  Speaker 1: you cross the line. That's basically how this moves.
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  Speaker 2: So remember I always assume the political beliefs of your betters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, obviously that's true. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was just talking on Twitter about that. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: not only all of this this rhetoric around men centering
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  Speaker 2: their lives on becoming desirable to women, not only financially
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  Speaker 2: and physically, but also politically. You can't neglect your consciousness
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  Speaker 2: raising as a man. You must also adhere to the
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  Speaker 2: whatever corporate corporo speak is most current, essentially, So we're
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  Speaker 2: here to inform you all and what you need to
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  Speaker 2: believe if you want to be datable. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So before we get into it, I just want to
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  Speaker 2: to you, Brian, Do you want to just give us
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  Speaker 2: the rundown on? I can tell you the overall context.
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  Speaker 2: We have a person Richard Bierre, I think you guys
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  Speaker 2: are aware, and he requested a number of videos and
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  Speaker 2: I selected these ones because I thought it was an
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  Speaker 2: interesting topic to talk about. Enforced politics, the expectation that
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  Speaker 2: you toe the line or I guess you get frozen
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  Speaker 2: out from the uh the marketplace.
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  Speaker 1: Of if you don't believe what women say you should believe,
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  Speaker 1: then you are not deserving of love or companionship.
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  Speaker 2: Mmm, yes exactly. So I figured that this would be
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  Speaker 2: a good topic to cover since it seems to come
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  Speaker 2: up a lot, and in particular recently we've dealt with
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  Speaker 2: the what is it for b sex stripe? Because men
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  Speaker 2: in in the US elections of someone who is undesirable
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  Speaker 2: according to liberal women. Absolute yes, yes, exactly. So I
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  Speaker 2: mean because of that, it just seems like it's it's
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  Speaker 2: important to cover what we should what men should be
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  Speaker 2: doing to make sure that they retain their access to
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  Speaker 2: the pussy cartel? Shall we call it that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: All right, So having said that, why do you want
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  Speaker 2: to just do the overview?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I got three videos. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they should be done in any certain order, and we
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  Speaker 1: could just get to like, but I'll summarize the three videos.
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  Speaker 1: So first we have this video from somebody named fury
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  Speaker 1: p was pictured here you guys should see. I'll show
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  Speaker 1: you all on the vertical. And they have a video
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  Speaker 1: called dating Homophobic Guys is Stupid, where they essentially make
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  Speaker 1: the case that, well, this girl she makes the case
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  Speaker 1: that you know, homophobic homophobic men are basically misogynist men,
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  Speaker 1: because it's the same thing, and you're probably wondering how
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  Speaker 1: is that possible? But we will show you because she
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  Speaker 1: will rant about it. And then there was someone named
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  Speaker 1: Xander Hall, which I think is like a bread tuber.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just jump ahead so you see him, and he
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  Speaker 1: made a video responding to her video where he basically
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  Speaker 1: just said, yes, Queen, she's getting it. She's totally right
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  Speaker 1: about everything. I wish men weren't such pieces of garbage.
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  Speaker 1: Also physiognomy check and he basically just rants about how
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  Speaker 1: great she is for like fifty minutes and co signs everything.
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  Speaker 1: So if Richard Beeerre sent this through, I would ask, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think there's a need for us
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  Speaker 1: to respond to his response to her, because he's just
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  Speaker 1: agreeing with her on everything, and maybe he expands it
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  Speaker 1: in a kind of bread to be like word salad way,
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  Speaker 1: while she's just more like at least you know from
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  Speaker 1: the heart I guess for or the or the black
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  Speaker 1: heart that she has, So I guess there's that. And
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  Speaker 1: then the third video is from someone named Jammy Dodger,
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  Speaker 1: who is essentially talking about how undeserving of empathy someone
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  Speaker 1: has because they are being perceived as a homophobe, as homophobic,
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  Speaker 1: and this person is a trans man. If that matters,
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  Speaker 1: I think it does because there's something about trans men
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  Speaker 1: they I don't know what it is, but they hate
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  Speaker 1: men a lot despite becoming men. It's just a weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: Like they don't think missingery is real. So yeah, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: those are the three videos that I was given. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't I guess we could start with her, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I know. Okay, all right, let's do that, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm just gonna go to the first time
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  Speaker 1: code here, so I'll just get let her open up
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  Speaker 1: with her thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Dating a homophobic man is literally one of the silliest
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  Speaker 3: decisions you could ever make me real life.
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  Speaker 4: It's so stupid, so dumb. Do not do it. Do
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  Speaker 4: not do it.
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  Speaker 3: And no, this is not one of those Oh if
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  Speaker 3: he's homophobic, that means he's probably gay on the inside. No,
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  Speaker 3: I hate when y'all do that. I freaking hate when
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  Speaker 3: y'all do that, Like I'll act like every single man
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  Speaker 3: who's homophobic. Oh, it's just because he's just secretly gay.
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  Speaker 3: Stop it, stop it, literally stop it. That is so
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  Speaker 3: a problematic being that way.
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  Speaker 4: You're weird. You're weird.
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  Speaker 3: Stop I'm gonna continue yelling at you. Before I continue,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to do something high gus.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so, uh, yeah, I guess. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a great argument when people say, oh, you you seem
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  Speaker 1: to really not like gay people. Maybe you're gay. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a really stupid thing to say. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the reasons why I think it's dumb and why she
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  Speaker 1: thinks system.
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  Speaker 2: Are probably probably pretty different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably not the same the same, No, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, so let's uh, let's let me jump ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So she's gonna talk about the connection I guess between
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  Speaker 1: masculinity and misogy. But before we do, I did get
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  Speaker 1: a super chat that I should read give us five
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  Speaker 1: bucks and says you need to do a cheer Alison
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  Speaker 1: castro is leaving. When he leaves, you do the dance
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  Speaker 1: of joy.
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  Speaker 2: Ah. Okay, I'm not the dance of joy dance. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought it was like, okay, let
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  Speaker 2: me do it again, do it again.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see I have too much. Remember, they're gonna, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to replace him with somebody, and that might
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  Speaker 1: they might be worse. So let's hope. Let's hope not.
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  Speaker 1: But you're not out of the woods yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, anyway, the Liberals are still in power, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, well they might have thrown him under
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  Speaker 2: the bus, but who knows, maybe they'll maybe they'll end
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  Speaker 2: up just you know, getting their Reptilian empire spaceships in
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  Speaker 2: orbit and be like, no, nope, we're staying forever, forever,
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  Speaker 2: eat the bugs humans, you know, I don't know. It's yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's there's so much damage. And as much as
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people put their faith in
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  Speaker 2: pauliev and the Conservatives, I am not sure if they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna reverse it. So we'll see, we'll see if anything
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  Speaker 2: actually happens for the betterment of Canada. Strying to feel
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  Speaker 2: like our our leaders don't give a crap about us.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, here's all right, here's let's let's listen to
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  Speaker 1: this section.
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  Speaker 3: Being because of the fact that there are another sexual orientation,
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  Speaker 3: I'm already like disgusting, wouldn't touch you, wouldn't kiss you,
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  Speaker 3: would not want to be anywhere near you. It's discussing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it reminds me of like when situations
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  Speaker 3: when things happened to girls, and had.
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  Speaker 2: You defined her terms in this screed? Did she say, well,
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  Speaker 2: what this is what I mean by homophobic because could
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  Speaker 2: it be that.
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  Speaker 1: She means it's she does throughout, its sprinkled throughout. It's
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  Speaker 1: things like being homophobic is tied to toxic masculinity. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm getting asked. So, like if you're
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  Speaker 1: a guy, and like she basically kind of like puts
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  Speaker 1: words in the mouths of men to say, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like guys that like hug each other, or they wear pink,
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  Speaker 1: or they're into dolls or you know, it's that usual
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  Speaker 1: like old argument and that, and that she claims that
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  Speaker 1: they say, oh, that's gay. I'm not doing that, that's gay.
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  Speaker 1: And so she thinks that that when men essentially like
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  Speaker 1: are not comfortable doing or being feminine or comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: feminine behavior in themselves, she calls it homophobic. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's where that comes from. And that's sort of like
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  Speaker 1: a product, a byproduct of the of the conversation around
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity. Right, So I think it is a tool
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  Speaker 1: of coercion being used on men because they think about it.
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  Speaker 1: If a woman wants to do male things, nobody says
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  Speaker 1: that there's anything wrong. In fact, it's embraced like by
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  Speaker 1: men and women, mostly men though, right, Like if a
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  Speaker 1: woman says, oh, I'm gonna go into you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to change the tire on my own car, most
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  Speaker 1: men are like, great, that's like one thing I don't
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  Speaker 1: have to do, right, And they don't think that that's
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  Speaker 1: a masculine why you And when women don't like, we
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  Speaker 1: don't force it on them. We don't say you have
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  Speaker 1: to do these things. But when men are doing things
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  Speaker 1: that they think that they like, and those things happen
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  Speaker 1: to be things that we typically associate with being men,
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  Speaker 1: then it's like there's something wrong that they have to fix.
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  Speaker 1: And when they try to make men do things like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, wear high heels or dress it go to
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  Speaker 1: a drag show or or something you know, like that
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  Speaker 1: men don't want to do, even if it's something that
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  Speaker 1: isn't even necessarily like coded female whatever that means, like
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  Speaker 1: going to a musical. You know, let's go see some
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  Speaker 1: musical theater. If a guy says, no, it's not really
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  Speaker 1: my thing, then that will be like, oh, I guess
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  Speaker 1: you have a problem with feminine stuff, right, So it
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  Speaker 1: is it is a method of coercing men and getting
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  Speaker 1: them to normalize something that they don't enjoy. By making
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  Speaker 1: it seem like it's you may it makes you a
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  Speaker 1: bad person if you don't do it. So mmm, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just in the camp of leave men alone.
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  Speaker 2: That's space, you know, judging them so much. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, all right, but anyway, so that let me I'll
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  Speaker 1: I think that she's talking about how I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: let's just listen.
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  Speaker 3: Being because of the fact that there are of another
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  Speaker 3: sexual orientation, I'm already like disgusting.
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  Speaker 4: Wouldn't touch you, would it?
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  Speaker 1: Right? So she's saying if you don't like like somebody
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  Speaker 1: because of the sexual orientation, it discuss her. That's what
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  Speaker 1: her she's expanding on the whole, like, don't date a
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  Speaker 1: homophobic man, right. She doesn't really define homophobia in this.
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  Speaker 1: It's the it's the hate that mutates. It's like misogyny,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's whatever it needs to be at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Like literally, like if a hurricane hits a population that
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  Speaker 1: is predominantly Latino, they will say that hurricanes are racist,
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  Speaker 1: and you can't actually tell them that that doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense because they decide when it's racist or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever is theophobia is at play, yep.
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  Speaker 4: But didn't kiss, you would not want to be anywhere
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  Speaker 4: near you.
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  Speaker 3: It's discussing, you know, and it reminds me of like
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  Speaker 3: when situation when things happened to girls, and in order
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  Speaker 3: to make men care, they're like, well, what if it
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  Speaker 3: was your girlfriend? What if it was your mom, What
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  Speaker 3: if it was your daughter, what if it was your niece?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like it, shit, it's so gross that I
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  Speaker 3: have to be like, what if this person was connected
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  Speaker 3: to you? Yes, okay, now that you've pictured you being affected,
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  Speaker 3: can you extend some of your humanity towards ever?
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  Speaker 2: Like I would imagine, I'm just going to go out
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  Speaker 2: on a whim and take a wild guess that she
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  Speaker 2: has never considered a single men's issue in her entire life,
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  Speaker 2: and in fact, if someone brought her that issue up
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  Speaker 2: to her, she probably would consider it an attack against
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  Speaker 2: men or against women. Like I'm just, I'm just I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, what do you think of the odds that
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  Speaker 2: if anyone brought up a men's issues to her she
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  Speaker 2: would consider it an attack against women. And it's not
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  Speaker 2: you know, when they say it's an attack against women,
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  Speaker 2: they mean that it's an attack against their identification with
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  Speaker 2: victimhood as a woman, I'm pretty sure she would. So
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  Speaker 2: she's saying, well, how come we have to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: what if it was your girlfriend? What was to your daughter?
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  Speaker 2: Because people are humans and they tend to care about
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  Speaker 2: those closest to them. It's just a rhetorical trick. But
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  Speaker 2: I doubt you would even care if somebody said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what if it was your father, what if it was
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  Speaker 2: your son, You'd probably still consider it an attack to
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  Speaker 2: bring up a men's issue and just say, hey, extend
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  Speaker 2: yourself to understand this, So don't give me this crap.
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  Speaker 2: And it's it's and it's I'm looking at this person.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're just living in your own little fricking
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  Speaker 2: world that you never get out of. And the presumption
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  Speaker 2: at the at the heart of this is that things
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  Speaker 2: only happen if they happen to women.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's right. Okay, let me see. I think
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  Speaker 1: there's yeah, some more on this.
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  Speaker 3: That is so gross, that is so messed up, And
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  Speaker 3: I know this is not what this video is about,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm just saying I just I just hate that
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  Speaker 3: people have to do that anyway that I have that
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  Speaker 3: people have to tell you this is how it's going
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  Speaker 3: to affect you for you to care like you just
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  Speaker 3: care about Wait a.
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  Speaker 2: Minute, that that da that du that became some kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird escalation there or weird slip. What if it
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  Speaker 2: happened to your wife, your mother, your daughter, your sister
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  Speaker 2: became Why does it happen? Why do men have to
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  Speaker 2: feel like it can happen to them? Did you notice that,
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  Speaker 2: m Like, lady, something happening to a man's wife, isn't
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  Speaker 2: that thing happening to the man. You know, he has
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  Speaker 2: his own separate experience of things happening to him. It
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  Speaker 2: isn't just removed like a memory, you know, a memory card,
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  Speaker 2: and then her experience of things happening is inserted in
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  Speaker 2: Like there's no spot inside men that experiences things happening
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  Speaker 2: to them. They're just the only thing that the experience
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  Speaker 2: that happens to them is things that happen to their
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  Speaker 2: female relatives. Did you notice that it's just weird? Mm
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  Speaker 2: hmm No, And it's really telling. It's like, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: things that happen to a man's wife aren't things that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: happened to him, right, there are things that happened to
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  Speaker 2: his wife and needing to relate it to somebody you
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  Speaker 2: care about is just human. It's not it's it's it's
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  Speaker 2: so syllopsistic, and I can't articulate it completely, but I
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  Speaker 2: can feel it.
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  Speaker 1: What she seems to be saying is if a man
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  Speaker 1: is only going to feel compassion for someone who like
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  Speaker 1: you know, if a man is going to feel compassion
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  Speaker 1: only for people that he is close to, then this
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  Speaker 1: means that he is not in himself an actually compassionate person,
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  Speaker 1: because the reason why he's feeling compassion for someone like
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a mother or sister or wife is purely out of
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  Speaker 1: self interest. Like the fact that my mother or wife
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  Speaker 1: is hurting it actually bothers me, and that's the only
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  Speaker 1: reason why I care. Is that what she's saying like that,
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  Speaker 1: So it is essentially saying, I am, you know, my wife,
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  Speaker 1: the women in my life being like dealing with suffering
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  Speaker 1: is only something that I care about because I ultimately suffer,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's still out of self interest. Is that
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  Speaker 1: what they're that she's suggesting, and that men are bad
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  Speaker 1: people because they don't care about women in the most
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  Speaker 1: abstract sense, at least that's her claim. I think they do,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's her claim, right is that men
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  Speaker 1: don't care, like they shouldn't have to know them to.
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  Speaker 2: Care about them, you know, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But she doesn't like if I said a man, these
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  Speaker 1: are the things that men deal with, he would probably
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  Speaker 1: not like. She would probably find it ridiculous that I
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  Speaker 1: would even bring.
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  Speaker 2: That up, right, Yeah, Like I said, I don't I
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  Speaker 2: get I get the feeling, especially from that, that she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even comprehend that there's an entire universe of things
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  Speaker 2: that happen to men.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, of course not no, no, of course not. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that would be ridiculous, you know what. I hate to
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  Speaker 1: bring this up, but it's it is funny. It reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of something that Natty said when I had her
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  Speaker 1: on my fireside chat and I said, men in general
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  Speaker 1: care about women. And I did not because I know
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: she's triggered by the guynocentrism word. I didn't mention that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say that at all. I just said, men
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  Speaker 1: in general care about women. I think it's obvious by
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  Speaker 1: what we have built for civilization so that women could
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  Speaker 1: like live comfortably, not just safely comfortably. And her response
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  Speaker 1: was they care about their women, which is basically to
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  Speaker 1: say that men only care about their women. They don't
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  Speaker 1: care about women in the abstract, And I'm like, yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but if all men care about all their women, then
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: everybody cares about women. So like it works out. It's like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: you know, you pick up your little your little you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like if you have a whole room and it's full
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of like various like responsibilities and labors and service to people,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and everybody picks up their little piece and they do it,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, all of that is taken,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: or at least most of it is. Some people take
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more than others or whatever, but in general it's done.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: So when women say, well, men care about their women,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: not women, that's what she's saying. Well, yeah, so what
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: do women care about men in the abstract? I don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think so. So you know, maybe the men in their lives,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: maybe you know, the sons or something.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: To care about men in their lives, or if they do.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: And this is something that's actually really tragic, and it
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: bothers me because I see all the time young men
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: or especially young men, being destroyed by the things that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: we talk about, and the women in their lives can
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: extend compassion only to the point where it challenges their
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: perception of being the biggest victims, and then it dissipates
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: m and you just it doesn't go any further than that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And it's because women have identified with victimhood as an
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: essential component of femininity, of womanhood, and when you challenge
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that as a man, it's it's like you're attacking women themselves,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: even though I would propose that women are not synonymous
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: with being victims, and in fact, we need to decouple
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: these two concepts in order to get forward, go forward
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: with anything resembling a reasonable situation for the human race.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And that's a lot of words. So basically, what I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: mean is I think that women's addiction to victimhood is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: destroying us. And I could give you the receipts, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that would be quite the digression from the actual topic today.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So or would it? Would it be a really digression? Well,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: we have a lot of Yeah, we got a lot
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of content to cover, So let's go. I won't I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: won't get into art.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get it. Let's continue. This could be
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: its own show though, what you're talking about.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And be like, I don't want people to get hurt,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: and I don't want people who are bullies or people
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: who are disgusting or people who cheat, people like shit to.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Be around me. But if you need more, I got you.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So the reason that I say it is literally not
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: even not even just like bad, it's it's hig key
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: like a little it's even sometimes a little dangerous. Ends
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: up to be with a guy who's like super homophobic
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: or super transphobic to trans women, especially right because like
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: if you think about how boys were raised.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh hold up, hold on, hold up, so let's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: let's just let's just okay, what is it to be
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: transphobic to women? And when she says women, she means
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: trans women. Okay, so if if you if.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You have no women period?
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I think she's referring to trans women
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: when she says transphobic to women, because she thinks trans
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: women are women.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Mm.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't think that. I think that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: a man who is basically being having his like I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, sexual preferences challenge, let's say, by women like this,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: because that's what they do. They pushed their men's buttons.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: They test their boundaries all the time with stuff. So
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: like if you brought a trans man around a man,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: he probably wouldn't even care because there's literally nothing there
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: for him, right, no interest, No, there's nothing. Like I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I went to school with trans men, and I didn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: even learn they were trans until like near my graduation
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and they came out and told me because they were
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: drunk and you know, and I was like, oh, okay,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like whatever, you didn't have a shot anyway, Like so,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I mean you have a beard, right. But I think
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that the thing is is that trans men are not
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: in a position to, I don't know, sort of like
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: be you know, in a vulnerable place where they're being
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like actually pushed on men. I think that trans men
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: do probably have lots of unfortunate encounters with women if
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: those transmen are interested in women. But that's not something
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: we generally hear about because you know, it's it doesn't
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: make headlines the same way a trans woman does. But
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I think that what she's getting at is, like, let's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: let let's put a hypothetical. Okay, so you have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: woman here. She's modern, she's progressive, She probably you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: believes in polycules and shit like that. She's dating a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: guy and she's like, I want you to meet my friend,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you know, ebony or whatever. And it's like a trans
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: woman and Ebanie's like, we should like have a threesome
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and the guy's like, no, I'm not into that. That's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: transphobia to her. That's what I'm getting at, right, So
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: if it's like, oh, you're not you you you don't
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, tranny poon is the same as
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: regular poon, well you must be transphobing. Like why would
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: she even bring it up if the goal wasn't to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: try to cut men down for preferences, Like we used
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to be able to just have preferences, right, and people
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: still do, but they're not allowed to talk about it
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and they and that's kind of an extreme example, but
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like there's like, for example, you know, I could ask
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: her like do you prefer white guys, Latino guys or
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: black guys? And whatever her answer is, it doesn't really matter.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I get to call her prejudice. She's got preferences, right,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So this is what I'm saying, Like, this is a
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: tool to try to control people's preferences, And the reason
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: why we've gotten to the point now where a man
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: who doesn't want another man's sheeness in his butthole is
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: a is a bigot because he didn't take it right,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and this is where we are. And it started when
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: people said, you know, people should probably not be prejudiced,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and that sounded like something that made sense on the surface.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: But now we're at the point where you can't have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: any preferences at all. This is like, well, I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like not without being criticized unless they're the right kinds
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of preferences, in which case that then that's a constantly
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: shifting gold post too, because you know, like what happens
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if I mean, the feminists are sort of like having
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to deal with this themselves because you know, like the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: intersectionals will say, well, you know, if that if that uh,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you know, convicted rapist identifies as a woman, you got
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: to send them to a female prison and the the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: turfs or whatever. The second wave feminists are going to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: be like, well, this is misogyny. It's like, but you
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: created this problem. Yeah, So you know.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: The thing is that it's being pushed by well, it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the foundation of it is the idea that women aren't
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: constrained by biology, but by oppression. That's where that comes from.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: So to maintain women's moral dominance over men, you have
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: to deny the effects of biology. And history, because it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: not men's men's laws or actions that restrict women. It
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: was biology. It was the biological necessity of childbirth, lactation,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: child rearing, also the and also the physical limitations that
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: come with that. That's what we're straight. If you changed
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: all the laws throughout history, the situation of women would
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: not have changed. All those laws did was obligate men
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to provide for women when they were incapable of doing so,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: like incapable of providing those things. And because of that,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: because they want to assert that it is custom or
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: socialization and not biology, that the situation of the status
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of women in the past. In order to maintain that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: moral dominance, they opened the floodgates to the question of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: what is gender sexual, what is sex, what is sexual identity?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And all of that stuff. And now they don't like
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the consequences. And yet this was all instituted because certain
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: groups of women requested it, and then they browbeat men
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: into getting it for them. So they're taking something that's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the result of men listening to women and calling it misogyny.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, yeah, you're fine, you can call everything
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: misogyny and just live and avoid of meaninglessness. Never able
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to actually make any functional change, or you do make
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: functional change, and any possible negative of that functional change
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: immediately gets put on men, and you never never improve,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: never grow, never learn any better, and you basically run
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a society into the ground because you refuse to become
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a better person or to learn from your mistakes, because
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you offload those mistakes onto men. Right, So it's like
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: you were saying, it's all that this is a result
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: of women in academia asserting a particular narrative, and that's
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the end result is this entire explosion of the alphabet mafia.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: And then and then you have things like this. You
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: have this woman who's essentially forcing compliance on men that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: they have to accept these people or they will be
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: socially ostracized. And that's that's another thing that they like.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I recently came across a JK. Rowling tweet blaming men,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: or at least the men who have become indifferent to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, for this problem, and somebody said, well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: she also blames women, and I'm like, well, show me
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: no answer. So she blames men for complying to women's demands,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: for the fact that they respond to the power that
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: they have given women the power that women requested and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: then apparently misused, but refuse to take responsibility for it
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: and just offload the blame onto men. And this is
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: this is an example of this kind of pressure, this
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: expectations placed on men by women to owe the party line,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to embrace the alphabet mafia. But the other thing I
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: wanted to mention when you started in on how this
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: just is like this is becoming men have to comply sexually. Well,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: have you noticed that our society has sort of an
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: iffy relationship to men's consent.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh for sure.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: It's almost like men's right to consent to what happens
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: to their body is seen as itself almost criminal, Like
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it's it's like you don't have any right over your
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: own body. I mean, it's it's something that you would
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: expect from cultures that would send men, would conscript men
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: and send them to die to protect themselves. Of course,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you can't have men regularly feeling that they should have
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: a complete right over their body and where their body
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is sent and what happens to it. So you end
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: up with activists like this who think that men's consent
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: is a bargaining. Now I don't know if she goes
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that far, but but there are there was this super
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: straight thing where people were saying that men are transphobic
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: if they don't find trans women attractive, you know, And
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not like saying, if you're a man who finds
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a trans woman attractive, I'm not saying you're like you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: should be like, I'm not calling you out or saying
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: like you're a horrible person or anything. But a man
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: who doesn't find a trans woman attractive has every right
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to their preference, to his preferences and his consent. And
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: yet there's this perception with all of the like the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: the fat phobia, the lookism, the agism, is this perception
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that men's consent is public property to be extorted at will.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: And it's like, and I think it starts. It starts
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: with things like conscription, things like decision, and it also
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: starts with our inability to recognize that men have the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: right to say no to women, period and to support
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that legal right and to recognize that it's you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: it's an epidemic men women sexually aggressing against men. And
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: if you don't want to look at like the sexual coersion,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: which I understand, like it gets into the weeds when
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you're talking about nagging people into sex and and maybe
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: giving them a glass of wine at dinner, or lying
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: about whether or not you really own that porsche. You
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: know that that's all like, it's not honorable behavior, but
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: is it criminal? So let's just look at women using force,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: threats of force. So if you don't give in to me,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I will falsely accuse you. That is a threat of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a force of force. It's using the force the force
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of the state against you. Weapons and intoxication of the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: point of being blacked out. All right, when you look
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: at those things which are pretty much unequivocally rape, there
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: is a huge amount of female sexual violence that nobody
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: wants to address. And I think it's it's at the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: core of all of this. We don't respect men when
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: they say no to to to women. As a result,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: we don't say we don't respect men when they say
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: no to trans women, to fat women, to women of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a race that they're not attracted to, to old women women. Uh,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: when we when they say no to even to other
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: men for some reason, that becomes misogyny. You know, that's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: that's that's the that's the slope and it starts with,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: we don't respect men's right to say no to anyone.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Like I said, like men's consent has become a public issue,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's like discussed in the public when men should
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: have the right to consent, Well, never, because their consent
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: should be contingent on whether or not a woman wants
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to respect it. And that's where the discussion on men's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: consent is. So it's always hilarious to watch feminist talk about, Oh,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: if women were men, abortions would be available in every bar.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: You just have like a I don't know, a coin,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a vending machine abortion, you know, to just walk in that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, there is absolutely no reason to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: believe this because we don't respect men's consent as a society. Okay,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: all right, I got a super well, I mean, she
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: she can choose not to date homophobic guys. But you're right,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: there's a creeping thing that goes on here. It goes
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: from she has a right not to date homophobic guys,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: we can extort men to comply with our political aims,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: and then it just sort of seems to creep into
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: more and more, like the boundary violation gets more and
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: more and more all right, I gotta put my things
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: back on.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: He can choose, obviously, to not date homophobic guys, and
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: she is in fact exercising discrimination by doing that. But
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with discrimination. She does well,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: only in certain ways, right, Because so she is saying
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I am going to discriminate against homophobic guys, which, of
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: course is like, how do you even define that? I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: think she's going to be excluding most men by her
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: system of measurements, right, But that's okay, it's still your choice.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, she's saying that men are
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: not allowed to have preferences or be able to discriminate
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: or say no. And she doesn't even realize that she's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: engaging in that double standard because it doesn't matter to her. Right,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: it's about creating. She's creating a new hierarchy. It was
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: never about hypocrisy. It's always about hierarchy. Right, these things
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: are okay, and these things are not okay because I
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: said so and so if they have the social power
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: or the clout, which I guess she is trying to get.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: She has seven thousand, five hundred subscribers, so not a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: big channel, but she's going for it, right, she wants
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to be able to tell as many women as possible,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: this is what you should do. And of course, by
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: doing that, she's also engaging in another form of discrimination
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: because she's trying to dictate how women should select men.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So it's not just that she's doing this for herself,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: she's also demanding that other women do it, and she's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: also demanding that other men fall in line. So there
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is still a tremendous amount of you know, authoritarian pressure
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: coming out of this person, while they're also claiming that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: discrimination itself is bad. So you know. But anyway, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: got a super child from Debt Desionism and feminism for
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: five dollars and he says, hey, Alison, how much would
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: it cost to sponsor a stream and have you cover
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: some wholesome white pill video clips of family videos. Women
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: have social power over families and society. One of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: powers they have is secret recipes. Grandma's use secret recipes
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to bring families to g other for special occasions. Only
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: when they are on their deathbed do they share the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: recipe with who they believe will keep the tradition alive.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, well family is kind of dead for well, yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: it's definitely on the decline.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: It's on the decline in the secular wasteland.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, in the secular wasteland exactly, the secular hellscape of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: girl bosses and uh you know men who can't get
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: jobs because they've been given to girl bosses. But yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. So yeah, how much would it
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: cost a sponsor video, I guess is the ultimate question.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Hmm, Well, Richard Bierre and uh uh Kronstrong. It depends,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: like if you get us like time codes, uh, specific
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: things that you want us to respond to, you know,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: not too much. Like usually it's if we have to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: go through it, five hundred is than the going rate.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: But if you get us time codes two hundred and fifty, like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: and if you want to just send us a links
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and we like it, we might do it anyway.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you could just send us some videos and say,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like could you look at this and then people.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Look at it if yeah, yeah, okay, all.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Right, anyway back to the video I want to she's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about, yeah, toxic masculinity stuff, so let's uh,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: let's get into it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Is a lot of them, like look at like little
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: boys in your life and see how their parents talk
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: to them. There's a very big thing where they will
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: teach these little boys. They'll be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: don't do that. That's for girls, or that's gay. Don't
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: listen to that. That's for girls, or that's gay.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Are you crying? That's what bitches do. That's for girls.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: That's what gay. I almost be on word sorry, but
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: that's what gay men do, you know what I mean?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Like, though, they're constantly they'll be like, oh, you can't
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: play with that toy.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: That's for girls, that's gay. So Ever, the voice have
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: been very.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Very so Okay, she's making the all of it is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: socialized argument.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but who is doing the socializing.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest, it's it could be I mean mothers
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: these days.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, let's be honest, but I.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Don't think it's really socialized though I don't think the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: boys are drawn.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: If it is socialized, it's done by mothers.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it to the to the extent it is socialized,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it is probably mostly mothers and not at least for
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the fact that fathers are generally not in the home anyway.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Well, also, fathers don't necessarily enforce this stuff as much.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: That's that's what I've seen in the studies that I've looked,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the study that I've looked at on this issue. And
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: here's the other thing. It's this, and this is I
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: think even more critically important than you know, not wanting
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: your son to play with Barbie. Mothers have a really
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: difficult time with a lot of their son's emotional expression, right,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: So they don't like to see their son angry, they
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: don't like to see their son sad. It's almost like
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: their sons should not have emotions. And that I think
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: is more critical than encouraging kids to keep to their
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: particular sex markers, right, Because you're teaching your child that
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a huge part of him is unacceptable to you, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: we don't address that. I think that's like, I think
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: that's really critical. It's more critical. Like, for example, I
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: watched this video of this husband and wife and they
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: were arguing their son had apparently allegedly chosen a girl's
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: backpack that was really, really, really really pink, and the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: mother was like, oh, he should be able to express himself,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and the father was like, no, he is absolutely not
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: going to the school with that backpack right now. Honestly,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably a coin toss if that kid
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: was actually expressing himself or his mother was like, you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you want the pink one, and he did it just
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: because she to please her. But regardless, the father is
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: thinking about his experience, his emotional experience. The mother is
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: thinking about making a political statement because in a.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Lot of ways, yeah, the father's worried about him being bullied.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, in a lot of ways, mothers don't. I don't
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: think they comprehend that their sons have emotions. They don't
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: understand that that's a little being with its own internal life.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And it's because they have a very uncomfortable relationship with
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the emotions of their sons. And I think that's far
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: more important than whether or not, you know, Johnny wears
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a pink whatever for the correction of whatever's going on
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: in society. But let's uh.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's keep let's keep in mind that this
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is the argument of essentially of the black the blank slate,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and that for whatever reason, it only applies to boys
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like you know, you don't ever hear it in the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: other direction, right, So, uh okay.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: The young people have been ingraining into their minds how
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: bad it is and how disgusting. It is to do
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: things that are considered girlly or that are considered.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Feminine or whatever.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Right, And so if you're dating someone or if you
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: are letting a guy into your life who has that
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: kind of mindset, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: he is also going to be a misogynist. Also, he
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: is going to view things that are feminine as beneath him,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: as lower, as something that he just should not do
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and he should avoid at all.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Like, because it went from like.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So this is uh, this is another self report in
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: case you could and tell so men not being comfortable
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: or at least just not feeling at home with like
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: feminine things as defined by her, not not like in
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: some sort of like you know, standard way, but her
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: definition of what that is is actually proof of misogyny
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: in the man m And she is she's the one
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that she believes. And if a man says I'm not
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: comfortable with that, he interprets that as a man thinks
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it's he's better than that. And so she is also
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: in again applying her hierarchy of what is acceptable to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the man, even though the you know, not being comfortable
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: with something or or you saying that's just not my thing.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not into that. Like if I say, hey, you
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: want to listen to you know, some fucking you know, uh,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: some fly Leaf, some like some some goth music, some
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Black Parade or whatever, my chemical romance, and you said,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not really into that. If I said, oh, you
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: think that that's beneath you, that's what. No, it doesn't
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: mean that. It just means it's not your thing. Like
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: some people like Candy Crush. I don't. I don't think
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that it's beneath me. Okay, I do. But that's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: different thing. I'm just saying. But she's she's I guess
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that she's framing it in a
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: hierarchical sense as opposed to This is really funny being preferences.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Right, because as she's doing this kind of dichotomy, she
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: probably buys into a dichotomy in which men like she
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: can't accept men's feelings, any kind of feeling of vulnerability.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: So she probably very much categorizes men as agent and
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: women as victim or vulnerable, and those two categories can
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: never be mixed. And yet she's talking about how men
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: who want to keep their own signifiers and assert their
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: own identity as men as being hateful. It's like, well,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: you already buy into a dichotomy, lady, and you already
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: probably would be horrified in any man who genuinely violated
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the dichotomy that you buy into. So I mean, I
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: mean that's a conjecture. Maybe she doesn't want to be
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: a secret men's rights activist.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But does she, like maybe she? Sometimes I wonder do
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: women who do this value men validating their opinions so
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: much that they will shame them into it, Like they like,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: they really want men to co sign their bullshit and
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they value it so much, but they don't have what
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: the real courage to say, I'm not really secure in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: my beliefs, but I need you men to co sign
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: on those for me so I can feel better about them.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But I'll shame you into doing it. I don't know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: because like why does she care what men prefer? And
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: like why does she feel the need to essentially control
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: men at like the most you know, broad level by saying,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: don't be a homophobe otherwise women won't date you. It's
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: not just I won't because if she just made a
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: personal choice to be like, I don't want to date
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: guys that are like this, like nobody would care. I mean, like, yeah, sure, okay, whatever,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: I guess I'm not dating you then or whatever. Right,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: But no, it's got to be more. It's got to
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: be like all women should reject all men that engage
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: in this behavior until all men validate what I'm saying.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: It's almost like women don't want you to solve their problems.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: They just want you to say that you sympathize, and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: then they'll be like, you could move on. But I
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: think men should refuse to do that. No, I'm not
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: giving you any validation. You're just wrong.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: So the problem is that sometimes it's just bullshit, Like
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes it's not even that it's not about the nail,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: it's that the nail doesn't exist at all.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's keep going.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: All right, are we doing.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: This whole thing?
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: No, I wanna let me see. I want to get
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: to the there's a section which she talks about red flags.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: So there's two more sections and then that's it.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: So people conditioning those boys that like you can't cry,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: you can't play with a certain toy, you can't wear
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: a certain color because that makes you grilly or that
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: makes you gay?
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: They were They were like beat.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's I'm doing a challenge. I'm throwing the gauntlet
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: down all of you people who say that men can cry.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Please give me a bullet point list of what you
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: feel it's acceptable for men to cry about. What do
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you feel it's acceptable for them to express pain about, right,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: And I want you to strike off all of that
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: list if it involves the pain of a woman.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: And when you have a list of what it is
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: acceptable for men to cry about that doesn't actually involve
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: the experience of a woman's vulnerability or victimhood, then you
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: can say you can complain about men not crying or
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: men enforcing not crying on each other on other men. Right,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: then you can start talking about that. But until you do,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: you are full of shit, just like the whole Ah, oh,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: there's positive masculinity, Well say it. You give me an
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: example of positive masculinity equal to your examples of of
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: of toxic masculinity. Again, crickets usually with that one. Well,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: here's another gauntlet. Tell us what men can legitimately cry
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: about before you tell people tell men that they should
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: be able to cry, or that they should take responsibility
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: for not crying or for other men not crying or
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, say what they should be, what they
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: legitimately can cry about as men, not for women, but
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: as men, just saying you.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: All right women.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: And when they got to school, the other little boys
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: were doing the same thing to them. They were also
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: teaching them, like, hey, what are you doing? What are
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: you doing that's so gay? Are you giving me a hug?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: All right? So one of thing I want to say
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: too is that, like, if these boys are getting this
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: from their mothers, which they probably are, mostly their mothers
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: are actually preparing them for women in the real world,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like their mothers are saying, this is what I expect. Now.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but like, to
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the degree that these things are imprinted, women are doing
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it because men know what they're not attracted to, and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: men who are all in their feminine era, as the
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Zoomers say, are not attractive to women. They're like to
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: most women at least, so they're just doing that for them.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And then these women are being contra well, you know what,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I also think about this furly p person. This is
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: not a thinking person. We're dealing with This is a
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: person who has been programmed to regurgitate talking points, which
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: is why we always hear the same arguments. They learn
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: this in school, they learned this in their TVs and
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: their interviews with Taylor Swift. They saw it every on
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: their media, and they're just going out and regurgitating it
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and saying this must be the case because people I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: like have said this, My teachers have said this. So
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think she really knows what she's talking about.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: She just she's just regurgitating and hope and then other people,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: like a baby bird gets from their mother who regurgitates
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the food into their mouth. The other women are watching this,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: are gonna take it in like baby birds, and they're
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: gonna go and regurgitate it into other birds. And that's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: why the Brits call them birds. I don't know, I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: just threw that in there, but I mean, like she's
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: not This isn't a person that's making their own arguments.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: This is a machine that's just repeating the arguments. I'm
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: sorry if you find that insulting, but I just because
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say before you say it, Like,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: nobody knows feminists arguments better than non feminists like us
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: like we know their shit better than they do. Okay,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I jumped ahead to a section called, uh,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the impact of homophobia on relationships. So let's find out
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: how a homophobic man destroys relationships.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: And if you are, if you do seem gay, that
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: is the worst most disgusting thing you could ever possibly
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: pay attention to, Like the whole Ditty situation.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: The Ditty situation made me so like, oh.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: My god, It's one of those things that have me
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: like I think someone was talking saying like there are
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: some black people who are like post plantation, pre education,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: and that I'm like, yes, literally, that showed me that
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: exactly because Diddy is someone who got arrested and who
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: was being accused of doing so many horrific things to children,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: to minors, and just like you know what I mean,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: like assault, putting things in people's drewings, doing all these
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: horrible things. And so many people heard these cases.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: And they were like, Wow, that's gross. Wow, that's crazy.
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't until people were like, oh, and also
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: he likes it in the butt. That is when that
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: is when people were like, oh, oh my god, are
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: you insane?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Well maybe in your population.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't even hear that.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean like the freak Parties or the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: freak Offs were basically giant orgies, but like they were
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: from what I understand, I mean I didn't really look
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: into it. It's not my bag, but they were basically
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: giant or which meant that they were there was gonna
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: be some you know, man on man, woman on woman whatever,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: but like at that point, like at that point, it's
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: like transcended being gay. It's something else, like I don't
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: know what to call it, but it's it's like, you know,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just it just turns into a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: hoernemous bosh painting. Yeah, that's what it is. It's a
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: it's just a complete like let's let's lose ourselves. I mean,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's not it's it's not it's it's not pan.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a specific it's just a massive orgy.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And she's saying, oh, you know, it's homophobic because people
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: like Cat Williams and others that spoke out on it,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: they they use the I guess you could call it
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the sodomy as like the sticking point. But maybe that's
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: because it's the best way to get attention because of
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: what we think about male sexuality already. So I mean
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: maybe that is Actually I.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: Didn't actually hear that bit. I just heard about the
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: weird baby oil. Yeah, the gigantic vats of baby oil.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: You need the oil. I guess I don't need.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: To know anymore. And also, sodomy wouldn't be the sticking
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: point with me. That would probably be any kind of
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: inappropriate activity with minors.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: That's that like button. It really helps the stream reach
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: more people. I saw somebody in the vertical chats they
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: hit the like button. So thank you Final Midnight for
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the suggestion. Yeah, like this is important content, I think.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but uh, I mean, like what
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: she's saying, I don't know. I'm gonna jump ahead. So basically,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the problem with the Diddy parties is that gay that
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: was the that was the not the not the uh
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: you know, not the and and by the way, another
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: thing too is how many people were going to these
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: things full full well, knowing full well what goes on there.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: How many? I think it was probably a lot of,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: maybe even I.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Just want to say that this has definitely been one
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: of the most animated freeze frames we've ever responded to.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Every frame is as a freaking story.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: It's high energy, that's for sure. Definitely low energy.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Lots of eye whites.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Going on, Yeah, lots of crazy eyes.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Lots of crazy eye, lots of weird expressions like I
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: should speak.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I know. I do a last section for this video,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: which is about the red flags. So let's see what
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: she says about that.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: I'm the man.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: I'm the man, like the second they like have that
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: kind of thing like red red flags.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, men saying that they're again, where are you? Like?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: You seem to be speaking about very specific experiences. You
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: probably are, but that doesn't define men. You're you're using
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: anecdotes to make a broader point. It doesn't make sense.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: It's almost violence, honestly.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: It's a almost like she's these are the type of
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: men she likes, and she's trying to establish moral dominance
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: over them in the hopes she can basically trap them.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like watching like a wildlife poach or
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: bait a cage with a freaking part of an antelope carcass.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Some women want to be want to be around men
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that I guess you could call really dominant, but they
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: do it because they think there's a challenge in trying
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to control them. But once they do, they lose interests
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: in those men. So it's it's they they kind of
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: like threw themselves in that, you know, Like how about
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: just just be the rib okay, just be the rib.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Okay Okay, Linz.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: Guys like that are capable of the level of just
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: like horrible treatment that they will give you as a woman,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Like it is like it can genuinely be very very
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: very very scary, very very very dangerous for you.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: Like I am being so on swee.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: When I when I think like of the guys who
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: are like scarily misogynistic in my life, like guys who
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: are like the way how misogynics that they are, it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: kind of like, I'm dead ass scared to be around
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: you when you're angry to have misogynistic.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: That's not misogyny, that's violence. How did that become misogyny?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I mean they're violent to other men, but you're afraid.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, but if you don't recognize you don't recognize me
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: a vulnerability, that's a free action, right, Yeah, like she did.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me that these men are only violent
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: towards women, they're not violent towards men, because statistically that
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be the case. Usually violent men are violent across
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: the board and starting with other men because they can
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: get away with it. But the other thing is that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: are you truly saying that you don't want to sleep
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: with these men because I just.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: But they're the men in her life though, Alison, So
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: there's something like she knows men that she is supposedly
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: afraid of, Like why are you friends with these people?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Why are they they exist in your area?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Or are they are they like is it like are
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: they family members? Because like if this brothers or whatever,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I don't see how they could make you feel unsafe.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: They're probably like the best people to know if there
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: are men that are capable of violence, which I think
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: that most men should be ready to do that if
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: it needs to be, not necessarily because a woman says so,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: but just for their own sake. Or are you talking
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: about men that you're actually dating, that you're dating because
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: of those trades, but you also like want to be
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: afraid of them.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's a situation where these men are are
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: monstrous across the board, but she just wishes they wouldn't
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: be so towards her. I mean because if women just
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: avoided men who are asked holds to other.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Men can point with, women could point monstrous men towards
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: like use that again against other people. Like women want
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: men who want to be around violent men, are you
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: know do that because they want to be able to
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: use the violence of those men as a tool for
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: their for their own survival or even thriving.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So maybe it's much more about controlling the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: particularly you know what, Let's just let her let's letter
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: lay out thesis.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Those guys will be the most homophobic people you will
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: ever meet.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Like I swear you gay men just stay on their minds.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I can think of one right now who every like
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: he'll be talking about like a certain area, like we
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: live in Miami.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: He'll talk about certain areas in Miami area.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a part of Miami that's very gay. Yeah,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: but oh no Miami, No, not Miami.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: For why why isn't she talking about these men and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: this man and saying we live in Miami.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: That's weird because she's with this guy. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Are you with the guy that she's complaining about? Well
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: maybe she wants to be, but she's too homophobic for her.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: But everything else, I.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Don't know, there's no we unless you're in a relationship
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: with this dude. But okay, let's keep going.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Disgusting because there's always like gay people there and I'm like,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: is it that serious?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Like I'm like, why do you care so much? Is
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: it that serious?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: He's also the kind of guy that gets like so
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: angry as a woman who like is just like whatever.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: He's the kind of guy, that kind of guy that
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: will watch Kevin Samuels and like the Fresh and Fit
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: podcast on ironically not to make fun of them, but
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: to be like, hm.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's wait, wait, wait, she's with a dude that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: watches Kevin Samuels. But that's what that's the problem. See Kevin,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: you know Kevin Samuels, Allison, you don't know, he was like,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: uh he passed away unfortunately, r I p Kevin Samuels.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: But he was basically like one of the he's kind of,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, relationship coach type guys, you know,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: social dynamics, red pill manisphere guy, but primarily in the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: black manisphere. And he, you know, was he would basically
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't he wasn't mean to women, but he was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: very direct with them. He would say, you know what,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: why would a man want to be with you if
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you don't have a job and you're you know, and
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: they women would ask him to rate them and he
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: would say you're four and they would get really butt
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: hurt over it. But essentially, what he was trying to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: do is he was trying to Supposedly, I don't know,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch a ton of his content, but I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: know he's pretty popular. He was trying to like get
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: women to just like be realistic about their expectations about
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: what life is going to be like about you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like what a lot of these
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: other guys do, like the whatever podcast or Fresh and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Fit or whatever. And apparently so he's like her man
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: or this man. He watches this content. So this guy's
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: at least on the road to being like a red
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: pill Manisphere type guy. And I guess it drives her
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: insane that he doesn't watch that stuff just to make
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: fun of them.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well, also, I can't help but point out that that
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: stuff doesn't doesn't reinforce women's moral dominance. No, And in fact,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: it punctures it, and nor does it reinforce this idea
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: of women being synonymous with victims. In fact, it shows
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: them as not being right. It shows them as being
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: stupid and intellectually flawed. That's is that misogyny though? Like
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: to be drawn to content.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Well, Alison, you were just talking about this before earlier
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: in the show. You said, like where it all comes
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: downstream from men being denied consent, like the ability to
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: say no. And Kevin Samuels teaches taught men to say no,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: to have standards, and she hates the fact that men
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: are learning to say no to women.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I don't watch a lot of Fresh and Fit, but
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: what I have seen is them poking fun at well.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: One thing that really sticks in my mind is the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: woman who who she called them a misogynist and then
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: he asked, well what does misogyny mean? And she broke
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: down crying, and it's like, you're absurd, You're not a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: serious person. You're using terms that you can't define, and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: that is puncturing the pomposity of these women. Is that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: really misogyny though?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Like, Well, that's the thing though. They use it, and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: they use it, and they expect men to immediately say oh,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I overstepped a boundary. What do I
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: do to fix this? I'm so sorry? And because instead
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: they said define that for me, because it's an attack,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: like when a woman says you're a misogynist or they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: call you some kind of slur like that, they're attacking you.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: And if you if you apologize or you try to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: like run cover, or you try to explain how you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: you try to use logic and reason to say, hey, look,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not that because X y Z, I love my
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: mom and I have a sister and i'm married or whatever,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: then you've lost because that they're putting you on the defensive.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: What you have to do is say define that for me,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: because I don't buy it, and I don't I'm not
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: gonna take that from you. That's abuse, because that's what
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: it is. It's like a mini struggle session. You're a misogynist.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Define that. And that's when they start crying because it
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: didn't work because what they wanted was that emotional Oh
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm sorry, Oh my god, I don't want
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to be women, I don't hate women, and so many guys, yeah,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: so many guys, No matter how supposedly base. They are
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: if you call them, if a woman calls them a misogynist,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: they buckle like a belt. They go, oh wait, wait wait.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I have a wife and I think she's fantastic. She's
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: like doctor Phil. My wife is great. I think she's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: one of the great. If it weren't for her, I'd
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: be homeless, you know, like just bends over backwards and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: his wife is smiling on camera. You have to say no,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that's an attack to find that. That's what you have
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: to do, and they will break down because it didn't work,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like it didn't even matter what it meant. What they
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: wanted was your submission, and men have to say no,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: and yes.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: That's that's exactly it. You go on the Fresh and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Fit podcast and these men just aren't submitting to the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: women as their moral betters. They're saying, no, you you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: want to cash the moral better check, then you and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: your ass better be able to cover the cost. And
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: it doesn't like and that's I can't see that as
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: misogyny because not why should women be considered ter men's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: moral betters to begin with, Like, we're supposed to be
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: all equals, and if anybody is putting themselves, elevating themselves
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: above the others. Isn't that itself an attack like the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: fashion Fit podcast. Poking holes in these women's pomposity isn't misogyny.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: It's re establishing a sense of moral equality between men
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: and women, all right. And I think that that's probably
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: why she doesn't like it, because moral And it's interesting
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: that I mentioned this even before she went into this,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: because I'm pretty sure I talked about her wanting a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: stat to establish moral dominance over men she actually desires
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: because she's awfully. She's awfully like this. This guy is
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: sounds like he's in her life somehow. I don't know
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: if she's dating him or she wants to be dating him,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: but yeah, it sounds more like she wants to establish
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: moral dominance over the men she finds attractive than anything else.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Not that she's saying, well, don't date men who are
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: homophobic because they're also interested in puncturing the pomposity of women, which,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, lady, there's a lot of there's a
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: lot of gay and bisexual men who also enjoy puncturing
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: the pomposity of women. So you're not you're not, you know,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: it's you're you're you're conflating two things that aren't naturally conflated.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: You can go find yourself a guy who likes wearing
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: pink and sucking dick, and he can be just as
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: just as amused by puncturing your ego as as anyone else.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking of a pres Paris Hilton and Milo
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: the guy. I'm pretty sure they were there. They had
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: some fun puncturing egos. So you know, you're not gonna
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: save your necessarily save yourself that by choosing a guy
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: who's a little bit flamboyant lady. Is That's what I'm
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: getting at. Anyway, let's keep going, all right, let's.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Play a little bit more of this and then I'm else, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit more of this.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: Really deep. You know what they're saying is deep. It's deep.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: I feel it in my soul, Like you know what
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: it's like, bro?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: What Like that level of hatred they have for gay
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: men and trains women will also show itself in the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: way they view women, how they treat you. Like, if
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: you go to them, you talk about women, things, you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: talk about makeup, you talk about fashion, you talk about whatever,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: they will talk to you as if it's something that's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: so worthless.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: So stupid, Like I'll see females.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: That's the one that's the word. Females are so stupid.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: There's they will talk so much and have a lot
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: to say, like like they're the kind of guy that
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: pep this, like.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: You get like stupid. But yes, females are so stupid
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: because they're human beings, and stupidity is an aspect of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: being a human being. And also, unfortunately, there does seemed
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: to be a lot of impetus for women to overcome
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: a lot of stupidity, let's be frank or laziness, because
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: they are at the table, you know, like as soon
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: as somebody says that they're a lazy idiot.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Like when somebody says.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I am the table, what they're saying is I am
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: a lazy idiot and I am self righteous about it. Okay,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there are stupid women.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Do you really want men to be excited when you
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: start talking about makeup? Like, don't don't you see? You know?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: It just reminds me.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I was I'm pretty sure that's on an ick list somewhere.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, I was hanging out with Lindsay like
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: this morning. I think we're watching a video and it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: was like a compilation of like different little clips of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: cringe and there was one where there was this guy
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: with I think he was like a cashier or something.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: He had like blacknail pole and Lindy was like, why
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: does he have nail polish? And I said, you know,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I went to the store the other day and you know,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: like the my local grocery store, and the cashier there
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: also had black. It was a guy with black nail polish.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: And I was like, that might be like a trend,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, with the zoomers. And then I said,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: but you know, it's funny about nail because Lindsay she's like,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I don't wear nail polish, Like, yeah, I wouldn't think
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: that you would, because I think that something like that
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: is almost like the having the free time and the luxury,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: like you know, money to like buy makeup at what Lindsay, Well,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: she wears gloves for that, but like she doesn't, like
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: she doesn't. She was never like a big makeup person,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Like she doesn't do lipstick. She you know, maybe Mescuia
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but that is it. She doesn't do
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: much with makeup. She was never into that. She's always
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: been kind of a you know, like dorsy granola chewing
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: right exactly. She's just not into that. But we were
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: talking about that, and I'm talking about how makeup is.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's like, i mean, not an elite thing,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: but it's definitely like a you know, luxury thing. So
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you're a girl like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: this person, and you have like the free time to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and the money, the disposable income to buy tree crash
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: pre trash, I don't know why I said it like that,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I got this slexic tresh tree crash no pre trash,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: you know, like clothes and outfits and makeup and all
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: this other stuff. That's because you have like obviously you're
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: not in a place where you're thinking about survival every
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: day because you're like, oh, let me just you know,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: get the new iPhone, let me get the new whatever
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: luxury item. So this woman's perception of reality is so
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: distorted that she thinks men are also in that same headspace.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: And I bet that like if these men are doing anything,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like the men in her life are like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: in any way sort of ambitious. Let's say, or at
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: least they're just maintaining what they have. They're not thinking
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: about that. They're thinking about their job, they might be
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: thinking about investing, they might be thinking about their car payments.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: They're not thinking about makeup. That's not interesting to them,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: or their hobbies are completely separate. Maybe they're into basketball,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they're into video games, or they like to watch movies,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: so they're not gonna talk about makeup, Like how many
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: ways can you discuss that other girls can like maybe
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: you need girlfriends and maybe you shouldn't be trying to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: make the men in your life into girlfriends because they're different.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: So I don't know's I just it's funny that you
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: can have so much, you know, like luxury things to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: talk about, and that men that aren't interested in that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: because they're our headspace is just different. We're not thinking
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: about those things even when everything is comfortable. I think
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: men are often thinking about like threats, you know, like
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: what's out there? You know, like you know, so I
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: How much longer is the is the this is?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: This is this one? The second one? Okay, so do
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: you want to go into the world? Not really, I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: mean I think she She ends it by saying talking
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: about like that it's important for you know, women to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: get respect from men, and that she she likes men
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: that's comfortable in their masculinity.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: How do women get respect from men? Do you mean
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: just women completely?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: They say just just no.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: But seriously, like, so women get respect for men? How
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: for what can you answer that?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: What are you asking me?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: No, I'm asking her if she se this and ask
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: I want the answer to the question, what is it
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: men are respecting? When you say that men should respect women?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: What about them? What? What about them? Mm hmm, okay,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: let's do the next one.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: All right, so let's see, let's go into this one.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: It's sort of this one is so there's a there's
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: this one by Xander Hall, but it's just him agreeing
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: with the last one. So I don't know if we
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: can even add anything to that. I mean, I you know,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: so I thought I would just jump into this one.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: So all right, this guy, this is a trans man.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Well it okay, if we want to do the one
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: where she's he's just agreeing with her, just find the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: most effusively awfully simpy thing that he says and let's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: look at that. But if not that one. Do you
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: have that time code? I don't want to do a
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of this like.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I gotta I don't know. I mean, he talks about
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the intersection of Massada gene homophobia.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure, sure, let's see let's hear that. Okay,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: So basically we've gone from these men who who deal
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: like fresh and fit what I've seen. Maybe there's stuff
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: that I haven't seen, but it seems to be that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: it's poking holes in women's moral dominance over men. But
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: that invites the question why is it that women should
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: be morally dominant over men in the first place? So
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I don't consider that to be misogyny to challenge someone's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: unfair dominance over you. That's pretty convenient. But anyway, go
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: ahead and uh play let.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Me let me read a super child that I just
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: got from death to Zionism and feminism for five dollars,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: And he says, I literally have a clip of an
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: intactivist making a nurse defending MGM cry with a simple
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: question on a radio show. She defended MGM and the
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Mayo like the Mayo Clinic, you mean, So he asked her,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: what is the structure and function of the prep PUSP refews.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: She couldn't answer the question and started crying.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: That's the that's the part that's actually removed in circumcisions. Yeah,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: complete ignorance. But that's that's the thing. That's what we're
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: up against. This kind of self righteous ignorance is leading
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: to incredible harms against men, and as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: a fresh and fit is poking holes in it, even
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: if they're dumb themselves, but they're doing God's work. We
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: can't continue with this unearned moral dominance of women over men. Yep, Okay,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: let's go.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Let's go. This is from Xander Hall. I hope this
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: is the right place.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Here we goes do that's for girls, that's what game.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: But that's what gay men do. You know what I mean?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: They're constantly, oh, you can't play with that toy. That's
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: for girls, that's gay. So Ever since the boys have
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: been very very young, people have been ingraining into their
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: minds about it.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to find where he starts talking. Hold on,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: he like plays her at the feed or whatever.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: So are considered a feminine or whatever? Right, It's so
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: if you were dating someone or if you are letting
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: a guy into your life who.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Has This is true. Even if you have a supportive
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: household that wouldn't shame you for that kind of thing,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: It's still socially shamed to the extent that like boys
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: and men self impose that kind of expectation on themselves.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people underestimate just have you
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: ever start.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Of have you ever read a list like these, these
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: these ick lists that circulate from women. Have you ever
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: noticed what's on those ick lists? I mean, I'm reading them,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, everything that isn't what feminist term toxic
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: masculinity is an ick for these women, Like.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Anything feminists intentionally.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Phoenis is an it. Using an umbrella is an ick.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Taking naps is an ick. You know, like this, these
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: the icklx listenerns anything, anything that even speaks of the
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: smallest amount of vulnerability and femininity has been widely circulated
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: on Twitter by women and probably also TikTok and other
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: places where you know, social media, women's call of duty,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: you know where they congregate. It has been circulated widely
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: and widely liked by women. Do you think men don't notice?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: But of course you're gonna blame men because that's your dichotomy,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: all right, sor right?
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I gotta sorry, I gotta rumble. Rant speaking of rants
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: from Nova Fan twenty one for one dollar, and he says,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Notice they're only calling out men they deem problematic, but
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: not how women and girls reinforce that quote unquote problematic
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: male behavior. They'll probably call it a distraction. No, they
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: never do, because like literally they're shaming men for trying
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: to do things that women appreciate. And also what makes
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: like what comes natural to men? Remember, And I think
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: this is actually gonna be pretty interesting because Xander Hall
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: and this woman whatever her name was already forgot it, whatever,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They're both saying that all of this
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: stuff is socialized into men, purely socialized, and if it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: weren't for their mothers socializing them into this, they wouldn't
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: be this way. To keep that in mind.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: The toxic expectations of society are more self imposed than
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: they are externally imposed.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: What in society? Where is society? So we can find
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: them and arrest them and put them into a struggle
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: session so that society can change this? What is society?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: The external expectations of society are internally are internally imposed,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: but what the hell are you talking about, like honestly,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: and also if there's any expectations on when like being thin,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you would immediately say that those aren't internally imposed.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Even though it's a woman deciding to only eat lettuce
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: and weigh herself six times a day, like she's got
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: nobody she doesn't have, like the weight loss gremlin assigned
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: to her by society that bites her eyeballs out if
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: she doesn't do what it says. You know, like there's nothing,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: there's no force being applied on her except eternal, but
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: you would probably say that that is an external force
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: being applied on women. All right, Again, I I invite
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: you to go look at those list of X. I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: read those things and I'm like, if a million yes,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: if a man in any way expresses anything that indicates
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: that he is a life form or a mammal, then
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: he is an ick.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: If you don't, if you don't, if you don't want
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: to blame women, just say society and then everyone pretends
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: like it's men.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's like when when he says society he means men.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he said he he knows it's women, but
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: he can't say women, so he says society and that
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: puts men in the heads of people that listen. Oh yeah, men,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: they run everything, right, they run society anyway.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: You're taught at a young age, and your expectations for
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: yourself are molded a certain way at a young age.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: They solidify before you get old enough to challenge them,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: and you don't even think about challenging them, and.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: No, they solidify. So like my homophobia, which is just like,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: essentially I'm homophobic because I'm straight. My homophobia was was
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: socialized into me by society and like when I turned
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: like of age to where I started noticing girls, and
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: it's sele liified. So now it's like this calcified thing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: in my nutsack that prevents me from being feminine. Apparently,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't. I think that's I don't know what the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: science of it is.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: But even though you were groomed into it as a child,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: these these these are your chosen standards that you've applied
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: because you see, as you were growing Brian, there was
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: an elder Brian who was grooming you.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my mother, but mostly it was my mother who
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: was also But basically my mother was just a skin
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: suit being worn by my father, who was being worn
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: by society, and they were the ones that actions.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Of all society.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like some kind of shubnogerats.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that all of this bullshit,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: all of this bullshit is to avoid blaming women. And
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: of course you all know that I blame women and
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: nobody can st mm hmm alright, So Lis said.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, you.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Think things should be?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Is that kind of mindset? Ninety nine point nine percent
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: of the time.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: He's also going to be a misogynist also, he is
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: going to view things that are beneath him as lower,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: as something that he just should not do and should
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: avoid at all.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 4: Like why is he attracted people conditioning those boys?
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: This is a big.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Elephant in the room, These these masculine men. What are
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: they attracted to femininity in women? They're not exactly attracted
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: to masculinity in women. And he probably consider that because
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: some kind of femophobia too, that they don't want masculine women.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: These masculine men want feminine women if they desire it,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: how are they treating it as lesser? If they revolve
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: their lives around acquiring it, How is it lesser? Just
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: because a man doesn't want to turn into gold doesn't
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: mean he doesn't value.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, now it happened to Midas. Yeah yeahs
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: so no, that's.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: What I did to his daughter.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: And then he was like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, yes,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: art force. This is literally a homosexuality is nurture argument.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: They're saying that homosexuality, like gender theory, all of it,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: it's all it's all learned behavior. It's not biological. You're
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: not born this way. So it's weird, right, It's like
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: we go from biology to social constructivism and back again.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: It just depends on what you need to win.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: Ry.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: You can't play with a certain toy, you can't wear
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: a certain color because that makes you gally or that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: makes you gay. They were they were like beat and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: the like, taught that from adults, and then when they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: got to school, the other little boys were doing the
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: same thing to them. They were also teaching them like, hey,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: what are you doing? What are you doing that's so gay?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: Are you giving me a hug?
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: I don't even a hug, that's so gay?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: Whatever. They were literally literally bully other boys for doing
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: certain things.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: So whent So yeah, another point was like, oh, I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: can cry, I can express myself, or I can wear
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: a certain kind of like clothing or whatever. And they
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: didn't feel shamed when they were putting it on before,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: like more like if their parents didn't traumatize them and
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: make them feel that way.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they did believe they were about to be there.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it just sounds like she's
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: just saying this happens. No data, just not even an anecdote.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I sure does they do get bullied?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, like yeah, And I don't know, maybe
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: there's some benefit to some of that, Like I don't know,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: because like what is it what happens when you deny
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: children nothing and they never counter resistance. I'm not saying that,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: not the bully kids, but I'm just saying, like I
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: experienced some bullying when I was in school. I think
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: that I'm, you know, a better person for it, because
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: I probably would have become a bully myself otherwise. I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe, like again, I think that there's a
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: line you could draw. I'm not saying that abuse is okay,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying this is the way children socialize. Some
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: of it is a little bit messy. But I don't know.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I just I think I think she's the bully.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, because she's trying to establish moral dominance. But and
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: he's okay with that. He likes the dichotomy because when
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: women have moral dominance, dominance for nothing, he has an
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: identity of service. And that's what what he what he wants.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: Probably all right, let's keep let's uh is do we
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: have to lea like?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically what he says.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred and six k subscribers.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Wow, Well, he's the bread tuber, so most of his
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: followers are probably fake and he gets uh, he benefits
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: from the algorithm. I just put it that way. Yeah,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: it benefits. The algorithm loves him.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying. I'm just scrolling through all of my
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: little effects and finding ones that I like.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: On the screen behind you.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have you noticed it's been changing?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I haven't. I've been focused on this, but I
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: have noticed every so often on glance over and see it.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: All right, So let's yeah, let's xanderhal just kind of
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: co signs everything she says. I kind of want to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: give him one more chance to say something, So I'm
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: gonna play a.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Little bit more, we're about to get that beat out
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: And they are taught, they have been taught for so
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: long to see things that are feminine as beneath them
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: and as disgusting and as something that you should just
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: completely avoid because you don't want to get judged. You
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: don't want to seem gay, and if you are, if
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: you do seem gay, that is the worst, most disgusting
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: thing you could ever possibly pay attention to.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Like the whole Didty situation, the Didty situation made me so.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna jump ahead here, I think, is
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: he gonna talk here somewhere?
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, are you insane?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Just exactly here? It is? Here?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: It is?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: This is it? This is it?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: Exactly That's what I thought she was gonna say. People
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: have this weird thing where they will not actually cancel
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: someone like they would anyone else until you are a
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: perfec fic target. And did He didn't become a perfect
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: target until people found out that he was gay. That's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: when all of a sudden, the critical mass of people
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: necessary had decided they're dropping him. Yeah, no, I he
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: paused it right there. I'm sorry bad pause screen all.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry by your fault. I know you're gonna take it,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: take responsibility, because that's the way you structure your identity
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: as a man.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Do you think that people did not like but it
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't okay? It depends on where you're looking with the
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: ditty situation, But just just to put it out there,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I think people had a problem with him way before
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: we found out what happened at these freak out parties
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: or whatever he called them. We know people are talking
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: about what happened to Justin Bieber, and yeah, maybe it
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: is the abuse of young boys that's the problem, and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: maybe that's okay that we like take issue with that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: for a change. But I don't think I like I said,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think Diddy was gay. I think that he
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: was like you know how an Rice vampires from and
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Rice Novels, they've been alive for so long that they
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: just want to fuck dudes because they fucked so much
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: pussy that they don't like, they're kind of bored of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: it and they just want to try something different. I
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: think that, like when you get enough mass from women,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: you start thinking, well let me just try this over here.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: And I think that hetonists.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like some I'm saying, like, if you're
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: completely like like full on you know, Greek orgies, like
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: like ancient Greece, like just going at it with whoever's around,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I think again again, I think
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: that's transcending gayness. I think that there are gay men
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: who just want like relationships, monogamous relationships with gay men,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: and then there are men and women who go to
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: orgies and they just fuck everything and not men, women
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: and whatever like jellyfish, animals, octopi, whatever's around, like whatever.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: Don't no, I mean, unless you're into that, like I'm saying,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Saying, well, you could be into that briefly.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: No, I know, but I'm saying that you get to
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: a point, Okay, I think horny has like you break
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: the sound barrier, you break the horny barrier, and you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: start trying everything new. So I don't think people had
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: a problem with Diddy like it's it wasn't the sex
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: with men unless you're talking about And this is the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: thing too, that this is another one of these like
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: third rails that these progressives don't want to touch. In
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: the black population, there's a strong like sentiment against homosexuality,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: against sodomy, right, it's it is frowned on big time
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: in because black people generally are very conservative sexually, so
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: they're not like, even though they will participate in the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: identity politics, they don't like the gay stuff. They don't
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: like the trans stuff at all. Like that is for sure. Okay,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: So she could be talking about a real phenomenon with
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: other black men because most black men are not down
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: with that, even though there are a lot of black
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: men that are on the down low. But that's I digress.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: But that is an issue, especially in the rap game.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: But again, I think that has less to do with
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: attraction and more to do with exploitation.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: She looks like she's on the teacup ride at Disney.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, going down the road. She's getting blasted with wind,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is like the this has been
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: quite the the series of like vignettes of this woman. Yeah, okay,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: do you want.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: To move on anyway? Anyway? So yeah, we give no this.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Is based excellent simpering.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all right. So this video is from Jammie Dodger
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  Speaker 1: and they have one point one three million subscribers, so
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: massive channel.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I thought before I think I said
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, this person is a
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  Speaker 1: don't think they didn't say trans man or woman, but
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  Speaker 1: they did say they were trans, so trans something. But
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  Speaker 1: the the uh, the Adam's apple is uh telling me
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  Speaker 1: that that might be a biological A man born male,
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  Speaker 1: a person born male that may be in the midst
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: of transitioning to female. So I could be wrong about
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 2: They question every aspect of gender except that men are
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: to blame.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, yes, except that this person's. This is where it
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: gets interesting, because this person's take on a gender identity
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: is different from the other two. It's counter to that.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Oh really, so yes, and I will I will explain
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: if they say it in the beginning here. I know
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: they do say it at least a couple times in
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: this video, but we're gonna start. Okay, So this person
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: is responding to a video that looks like a series
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: of illustrations telling a story about someone who was bullied
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: for being for expressing like homophobic views supposedly, So here
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  Speaker 1: we go.
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  Speaker 7: All of a sudden, though, she asked, Hey, have you
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  Speaker 7: heard the LGBT plus community?
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  Speaker 6: Did that happen? Why am I feeling already like this
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: is a fake? Soina, I was just waiting for the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 6: bus with my friend and she asked me this really
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 6: random question.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my god, yes, I had Is this the last question?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 7: But almost Do you support gay and lesbians like the
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: people who are in the LGBT community.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, they're like a poor and I'm being held in suspense.
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  Speaker 6: Does that sound like a natural conversation to you, because
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 6: it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're yes, they don't, but here we are.
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  Speaker 1: You're responding to it like this could have been dismissed,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: but you're making a video on your one million plus
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: channel and you're saying, why am I responding to this
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: video that I'm poorly obviously responding to Okay.
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  Speaker 6: But also it came up the potentially would be a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 6: reason to ask it. And I don't think there's anything
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: wrong with just being like a union, especially if you're
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: LGBT plus out just to confirm, you know, I make
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  Speaker 6: sure you're comfortable.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: Do I give her my honest opinion or should I lie?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: Maybe I should just tell her what I think will
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 7: make her happy. But what if it's not the right
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 7: answer she wants to hear. I mean, she's my friend.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 7: I'm sure it will be fine. After a quick pause,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: I gave her my reply. No, she tried.
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  Speaker 6: Do you suppose that?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: So you know what, all of that that she wrote,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: all of that makes perfect sense. You're in school, so
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: you're obviously a younger person. Someone puts you on the
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: spot essentially are you an ally or are you a bigot?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: And you're you're on the spot. You have to answer like, yeah,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I get all that. And this guy's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand why this is a problem. Do you not think
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I'm a human being?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: I It's not as simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: In the nineties when this actually matter, I supported gay
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  Speaker 2: rights and I would say, no, you would what do
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  Speaker 2: you mean, well, I mean because there I don't like
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: this being used as a wedge issue, Like I don't
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: like this, like putting people on the spot, seeing them
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: is less lesser because they have an opinion about something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's first of all. It doesn't help if
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: somebody does have genuine beliefs about these issues. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've gotten into fights with conservative commentators over stuff to
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: do with with gay fathers and gay marriage and stuff
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: like that, you know, and I've supported those things. But
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna come out and start to make this
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: a wedge issue rather than something that's a matter of debate,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: you know. It's it's just like that. It isn't about
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: supporting people, it's about excluding people. And I'm not part
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: of that. I am not part of that. I don't
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: want to see it like I honestly, I don't. People
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: should have the right to their opinions. Like when the
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: there was a Catholic nunnery in my province who used
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: to put on a cherry festival and they stopped being
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: able to do that because the government took away their
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: grants so that they could they could get interns to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: help them with the cherry festival. So now the cherry
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: festival doesn't exist anymore, even though they had spent generations
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: making these cherries, breeding these cherries to actually live in
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: this particular climate. This government has decided because a bunch
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: of nuns have an opinion on gay men or gay
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  Speaker 2: people that is in line with their religion, they no
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: longer can be supported in their festival, even though the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: festival is like open to anyone and their opinion doesn't
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: really harm anyone unless you want to be a Catholic
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: nun I guess, and also gay, which I mean you
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: can do that. You just can't have sex, like but.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're straight and you become a nun,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: you can't have sex.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: You can't have sex. But it's it's just like, I
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: understand the a lot of the concern over this, but
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: this is not the way you approach it, not by exclusion,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: not by using it as a way of ostracizing people.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so I.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Especially like children. I mean, it's kind of a you know,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: that's kind of messed up. And this guy is going
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: to side with, well, go ahead, We're going to say.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Well. The other thing is I don't necessarily support all
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: of the planks in the platform, Like I don't think
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: you should necessarily force acceptance, yeah, in certain areas, and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: I think that yes, Catholic nuns should be able to
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: have their own opinion, and it shouldn't have to be
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: consistent with something that state's sanctioned. And if if they're
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: putting on an activity that benefits the community, they shouldn't
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: have to necessarily toe a particular line, a particular political line,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: in order to do it. Like this, this is the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: stuff that I believe, you know, and so yeah, no,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty sure he's going to go with, Oh, yes,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: this is a horrible person.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, let's let's listen.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 6: The bt plast community.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: To hide it. But I saw the shock on her face.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: She smiled awkwardly and said, oh, okay, I had no
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 7: idea what that meant.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: It means that your friend is surprised that you're a piccot.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know how old these people are meant to be.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: I think it's probably very telling of maybe home influence
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: when people are kids on their opinions and things. I'm
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 6: intrigued by the expression of like surprise that that caused
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 6: an uncomfortable reaction from the.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: What is it that? What is it that you're requiring
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: her to support? Because if she's your rights is an individual,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: where's the problem. But if she does not condone your
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: lifestyle because it is not part of her religions religious teachings,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: where's the problem. I suppose your problem is that she's
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: going to get in power, and I don't think that
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: that's Honestly, I'm pretty sure that society will collapse before
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: that happens, and then we'll all be dealing with the
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: with invaders who are probably not going to give you
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: a very good deal.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: It is kind of great that we can live in
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: such a time that these are the these are the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: issues that you are most concerned with, whether or not,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: like people support you in this abstract sense for yeah,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: you have decided you are.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah, But that's the thing, Like if they
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: support your individual rights, if they support your right for expression,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: they support your right for self defense, you know, then
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: where's the problem. Of course he wanted additional rights, Like
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: they want to force people to associate with them, force
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: people to to hire them, stuff like that. I don't know.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: It's a difficult conversation to have. And honestly, why are
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: kids having it?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're pushing it on now in school and stuff.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: So now, yeah, Like it was something I didn't even
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: have to like understand until I was like thirteen years old.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: And even then, I mean, you know, it was very
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: rare that this was a topic of conversation.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 6: So no, I didn't keeps up. Oh, And I'm like,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: why did she react like that? Why was she not
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 6: giving me a hug for not supporting k people?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: I thought, if it has nothing more than an awkward
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 7: and random conversation, we said bye to one another as
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 7: she walked her way home, and I hopped on my bus.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 7: Before I went to bed, my mind kept replaying my
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 7: friend's question and why she acted so awkwardly to my answer.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 7: Why did she look like she was hiding something or
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 7: what if she doesn't want to be my friend anymore?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 7: Am I a bad person for not supporting the LGBT
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: plus community.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: It's so victimizing.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: Now you are aggressing against a child. You fuck off.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: First of all, these kids shouldn't have this this this,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: this question shouldn't be playing out with really young children.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Those kids don't like, get get out of the heads
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: of eighteen anyone under eighteen? Yeah, Like, just this is
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: not where these questions need to play out. They play
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: out with adults.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: This has given me the ick. Now, I understand why
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: YouTube is supporting it a million plus subs. Okay, but
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: let's hear more of this.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I kept replaying it in my mind,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 8: and I just I don't know why she's upset. She's
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: a child, awkward? Did I say the wrong thing? Maybe
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 8: she's a lesbian child.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: You fucking you are bullying a child with a million subs. Now,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. You're sending your flying monkeys
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: towards her or you should necessarily be responsible for it.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: But this is what you're doing with your platform. This
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: is a kid in a school and you are bullying
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: them over an issue that they shouldn't have to think about.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: What are they gonna do?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Is she going to make an executive order to remove
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: gay people from the US? No, she's a kid. Leave
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: her alone. Oh I can't stand this.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, like evil thing, and I think it's evil.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: I think particularly if people have been brought up in
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: an environment where LGBT plus stuff has really talked about
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 6: negatively in that household and that's all they've ever known.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 6: The initial maybe can be like, well, no, I don't
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: support it.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: What maybe she's Muslim? Dude, we don't know?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah right?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't reigned supreme here? Can you be islamophobic
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: and start talking about how they they are against homosexuality
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: the LGBTQ plus stuff or which which one do you
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: go with? It's too bad she wasn't wearing a head scarf.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: He would be. He probably wouldn't have even responded.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: Yep, okay, because like your family doesn't support it and
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: you've never learned about or a different.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: By the way community strike in YouTube. Probably why because
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that this guy.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: Is bullying bullying children. We'll see, hopefully not.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: Known somebody will be friends with someone who's LGBT plus.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: I get that perspective and like why it could be
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: confusing of like okay, but I even brought up being
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: told that my opinion is okay and now I've just
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: said this, but it does feel very I'm not getting
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: the vibe that this is going in the direction of like, oh,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 6: why might this be wrong? Should I like think about
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: my opinions and like challenge that viewpoint? Is it hurtful?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Has it?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: This is all about support? Like she's not saying that
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: she's going to go out and burn people at the stake.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: She just says she doesn't support the community. Well I
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: don't support it.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Well what does it even mean to support? That's like
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: you said, maybe her reasoning and the other the other
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: response was like oh and then that was the end.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, who's really like holding the cards there? Who's
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: the one that's going to be like, well.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: Let's find out what happens with this story.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep going said this.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 6: Have I offended somebody because it's not appropriate or open
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: minded attitude to hold anymore. But it just feels more
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: like a oh well me. I could not stop thinking
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: about it, Oh dear.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: The biggest thing I couldn't get off my mind was
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 7: her awkward smile, hiding her true emotions from.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: Me, probably terrified because she might be gay herself for
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: LGBT in some way, and she's just found out her
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 6: friend would not support her, And I think often those.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: Would not support the community.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different, but of course he's going to frame
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: it this way.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: So of course he's going to frame it to someone
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: coming out to somebody to be like, what's your opinion
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 6: on this? Just trying to gauge the response and the
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: concept of standing there with someone who's like a close
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 6: friend or a best friend or whatever and then saying
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 6: that they don't support the LGBT plus community and they like,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: you know, in turn, likelihood is they wouldn't support you
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: if that was your first step to come out.
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  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily Like, seriously, dude, I am bisexual and
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: I don't support the community. Like I I don't think
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: what you're doing is appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: You can't, Yeah, Like I don't know, and I don't
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: I don't ask anyone to support any community. I just don't.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. That's you're you're it's divisive,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's not fun.
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  Speaker 6: Okay the cartoon from the other kid's perspective, because she's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: probably at home going like, oh my god, I was
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: going to come out to her, and now she went
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: to support me, and I'm going to lose my friend.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: I thought about it the entire night until I fell asleep,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: hoping it was just a harmless question and she'd forget
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 7: about it tomorrow.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: Unlikely.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: I walk through the.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 7: Hallway saying hello to my classmates and friends, and every
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: time I did, they brushed me off or give me
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 7: a dirty look. I even had a few.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: People, Oh, she's getting bullied in school, isn't that satisfied?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: She's getting ostracized and she's gettingized.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, that's just the look on his face.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: I know he's like, this is fictional. He's taking a
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: lot of pleasure in it.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: I don't know, something to someone else right in front
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 7: of me and then walk away. Did I do something wrong?
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 6: I feel like this person has taken the story of
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: somebody coming out as LGBT plus and just made it
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 6: their story as a homopope. I'm trying to not be like, absolutely, yeah, don't.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Support the community. Now I'm afraid.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, homophobe. That's what it means. This is what
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: I mean when I say, just like the other video, right,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: don't date men who are homophobes. Okay, what does that mean?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: What's the criteria? Well, apparently it's anything that people decide
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: it is. It's the hate that mutates, you know, it's
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: whatever we need it to be. Oh you don't, you
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: don't fully you don't want to uh suck my transuh girlfriends? Dick, Well,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: you're a home you're a transphobe. Obviously, No, you can't
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: like this. That's what it hands. Though I know it
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: sounds extreme, but you can find videos of people making
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: this claim, and it's a lot of it comes from
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: women as well as trans women. And this is the
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: same thing. Oh you're you don't support, Like I just
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: presented you this abstract you know, thing that you have
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: to support. I'm asking you if you support it. And
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: by the way, asking invites the possibility of somebody saying no.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: That's why you ask, and so you should be open
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: to that possible answer. But because they didn't get the
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: answer they wanted, it's almost like why ask the question then,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: so now you're gonna just optorcize that person.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's the point. It's just to make sure that
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: they they they align with the ex the expected social answer,
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: and if they don't, you ostracize them. Yeah, I'm not
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: sure why this is so confusing to this guy.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is Jarah Workman makes a good point. He says,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: there is no LGBT community. That's exactly right. It's there's
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: no black community, there's no Latino community that there There's
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: just people. There's just the population. There's an there is
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: a part of the population that is gay, lesbian, bisexual,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: or trans. That's it. They don't they don't go to meetings,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: they don't have memberships. You know. That's like that's like
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: saying there's a male community. There's no male community. There's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: no black community. There's just black population, gay population. That's it. Right.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a it's a it's a buzzword
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: that is used to imply a kind of unionization of
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: a demographic of people. That's what it's for. It's basically
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: to leverage power.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 6: Whot all mean because I've personally seen people have like
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 6: gut reactions when something is brought to their attention for
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: the first time, and it's it's something that they've been
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: grown up either just not learning about or being taught
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 6: negative things about. And it can take a while to
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: do that unlearning and recognize what it means to be
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: a respectful human and the fact that there's nothing wrong
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: with being LGBT plus, because I think not supporting it
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: and not accepting it is believing that it's okay to
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: think that the way that some people are born and
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: their identities are wrong, and that is homophobic. Homophobia.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what do you think straight cis petman? I mean,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: obviously you think the identity is wrong because you have
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: blame it for everything.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Did you catch that? What did you catch that? Let's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: go back a little bit. This is the this is
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: the thing that I stuck to and I've heard this before.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: It's not like this is a surprise to me.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: But accepting is believing that it's okay to think that
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 6: the way that some people are born and their identities
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 6: are wrong, and that is homophobic.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: So gay people are born or gay people are made
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: pick one, because.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the previous one was gay people are made,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: and then the other thing is are trans people born
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: or made? And if trans people are born like uh,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: then then there are biological differences between the sex.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: Oh god, wait wait, but there. This is the thing
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: they are. They are trying to force two contradictory ideas
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: into the same ideology at the same time all the time.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: So and it's all about what is that? Yeah, that
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: is all about what is useful because if you understand
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: that feminist queer theory as presented by I think it's
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: uh either Judith Butler and and uh, John Money and
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: Alfred Kinsey and several others, Theodore Theodor Adorno. There's lots
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: of queer theorists and stuff that, and lots of feminists
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: queer theorists from like the sixties that said that sexual
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: orientation and gender are all socially constructed, but also you're
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: born that way. It's both of these things at the
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: same time, and it can't be. But it all comes
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: down to, like, well, when is it useful to me
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: to win arguments? Oh, so he's saying you can't do
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: that because they can't control what they are because they
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: were born that way. And that's only because I can
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: use it in this fashion now. But I guarantee you
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: there's another video on his channel floating around at least one,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: if not several, that will make the opposite claim, which
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: is that it's all socialized and this are all blank
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: slates and men are taught to be men because of society.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is men. And then there's all the issue
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: that this is all predicated on the necessity of maintaining
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: women's moral dominance by a view of history that cannot
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: acknowledge biological differences, because if it did, it have to
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: acknowledge the fact that the situation of women throughout history
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: was never due to men's malfeasance but simple biological limitation.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: So all of that is behind. Do you accept the community,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: do you comply to the community edicts? Do you submit
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: Winston to two plus two equal five? And that's why
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: I don't support the community, because it means more than
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: just supporting the individual rights of individual people who are gay,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: happen to be gay, lesbian, trans et cetera, and means
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: supporting this kind of double think and a whole raft
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: of very very sylopsistic, self contradictory bullshit that all it
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: amounts to, when you look at it is it's not truth,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: it's not honesty, it's not integrity. It is simply, do
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: you believe as we say you should kiss the hooves
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: of collegial as general. You know you have to bow
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: to my horse because it's you know, you bowing to
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: an enemy general that has defeated you is one thing.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: But when you're made to bow to his horse and
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: kiss its hooves, you are not just submitting military you
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: are submitting your dignity and your right to even think.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: And that's what it means to support this community. Right
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: I okay, I'll tell you you know what I have done.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: All right. I was once in Amsterdam with Jonathan and
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: there was this drunken jack and Ape from the UK,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: and we were walking on the street and there was
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: this this like very young lesbian couple, fairly obvious because
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: they were holding hands right and time. Yeah, I could
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: just be I'm I'm pretty sure they were. But so
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: they're holding hands, tiny little couple. So they walk past us,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: they walk past the Jack and Ape and he like
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: bellows out, oh, it's a bush of dykes, And they
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: immediately looked incredibly uncomfortable. And myself and Jonathan walked behind them,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: not too close but not too far to shield them
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: from the jack and ape who is being an asshole.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: And we actually talked about, you know, how that person
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: was being very rude, very disrespectful, very not preserving like
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: you know, dignity, and how you know that that this
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't an acceptable behavior to engage in in public. So
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: and as we did that, and we can't we didn't
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: like get too close, but as we did it, you
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: can tell when someone starts they start to relax and
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: feel less in danger. So if a guy is going
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: to homophobically bully anyone in public, I will stand up
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: for them, all right, and I will say that that's
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: not acceptable. But at the same time, this bullying isn't acceptable,
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: and I Am not going to stand for a community
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: that itself is bullying, right. So there that that's that's
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: It's about it's it's just about criticize the behavior. That's it, like,
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: this is bad behavior, right, there's nothing to do with you.
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: But the thing is these people use their identities to
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: shield themselves and say no, no, this is okay because
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: a historical whatever right they It's so, yeah, if you
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: just call if you're if you only call out the behavior,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: then you're going to be consistent and that.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: But I would do I obviously almost every day, call
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: up the behavior of bullying straight men who are not
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: interested in being attracted to people that they're being told
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: to be attracted to. Like It's it's the bullying that
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: really sticks in my craw And that's why I responded
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: so strongly to what this guy was doing, because it
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: was bullying. He's bullying a kid, all right.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you yeah anyway, But that goes back to
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: what I was saying. It's it's not about hypocrisy, it's
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: about hierarchy. These people are they They they feel that
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: they're in a position where they can treat people like this,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: even if they are children, because they have the moral
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: high ground on the basis of their identity, whatever that is.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: And they and I think one of the reasons why
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: they often will lean on the they'll use the moral,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: not the moral, the socialized version of their perspective, because
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: it's malleable and they can always just invoke it when
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: they need to so that they can. But it's just
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: an excuse to engage in bad behavior, which is bullying behavior,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: and they will lean on the biological stuff when it
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 1: suits them as well. This is why these people are
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: not concerned with being inconsistent. They just know that they're
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: going to use whatever tools works. They're basically trying to
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: find the meta and exploit it. But anyway, that's I mean,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: there isn't I don't know if you want to watch
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: more of this. That was like the main thing that
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: I got from it. It just kind of keeps going
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: from there. Essentially, this person is a homophobe. They why
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: don't they accept being a homophobe and just like do
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: better and try to be an ally and also why.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: Did they And they were bullied in school by the
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: people who were trying to force them.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: They were ostracized by yeah, which is which is bullying,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: like isolating people socially, especially when you're in school, and
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: that's like where you spend like as a child, that's
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: we spend like a majority of your life around your peers,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: and you're growing up with them, so it's not it's
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 1: not a fun time. If it's probably worse to have
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: nobody want to be around you at all than to
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: have somebody that picks on you every day. If you
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: think about it, because then you don't even have any friends.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: You don't have any allies. Everyone's told to stay away
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: from you.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: I can't see.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: And girls are really really bad about that, so you
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: know they're the pros basically. But anyway, yeah, so.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's necessary, Like this isn't fering.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: I think we got the I think we got the
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: gist of it. So do you want to wrap it
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: up there?
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: It is bullying, and I don't I don't agree with it,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: and I certainly am not going to support a community
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: that's okay with this. First of all, these kids, why
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: should they be asking having to answer these questions? Right,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: And this is not being used like this isn't at
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: this age. This isn't like they're going to have a
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: philosophical discussion about how to approach the issue and use
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: you know, this isn't what it's about. It's about using
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: it as a means to exclude people. That is, they're
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: not they're not in a position to really discuss the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: the intricacies of these these questions. And again, I don't
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: like bullying. I don't like it as a tactic, and
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to support a community that engages in it.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean, like, you know, getting on Twitter
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: and calling people's idiots, because that's just that's just that,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: that's just the local, the local color on Twitter. I
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: mean this kind of thing, ostracizing people, insulting them in
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: ways that is humiliating publicly, and taking pleasure in the
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: pain of a child. Fucking yeah, yeah, all right. So
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: I do have to thank Richard Bierre who supported fifteen
• 2:07:32
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• 2:07:37
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• 2:07:40
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• 2:07:46
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• 2:07:49
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• 2:07:57
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• 2:08:16
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  Speaker 1: guys in the next video.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 9: Men's Right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are literal machines.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 9: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 9: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 9: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 9: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked