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6/18/26: Trump 180 On Iran, Ben Shapiro Attacks Vance, Deep State Fights Iran MOU · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Indeed we do.
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  Speaker 2: The MLU with Iran has been signed in Versailles, and
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  Speaker 2: Trump gave a wild press conference that we want to
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  Speaker 2: spend some time with some some very very interesting things.
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  Speaker 2: That is part of why we are in day whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know at this point of the complete Zio meltdown,
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  Speaker 2: but they have decided to train their ire on one man.
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  Speaker 2: That man is not Donald Trump. It is Jade Vance.
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  Speaker 2: So that is an interesting political dynamic that we want
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  Speaker 2: to take into. We're also really excited to be joined
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  Speaker 2: by the editor of Omwadge Media. They have had a
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  Speaker 2: number of really significant scoops over the course of the
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  Speaker 2: Iran War, and so we're going to dig into the
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  Speaker 2: details of this memo of understanding what it says, what
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't say, what it means in terms of the
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  Speaker 2: possibilities of war and peace going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's new FED chair has been part of the decision
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  Speaker 2: be cut, so we'll see what he had to say
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  Speaker 1: like you said, with the Memorandum of Understanding that has
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  Speaker 1: now been signed in Versa Ell. Here it is in
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  Speaker 1: all of its pomp and circumstance, Donald Trump. They're signing
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  Speaker 1: the Memorandum of Understanding in the hall. Yes, I think
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  Speaker 1: each's some Farsi some new English translation there as well.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is clapping, surrounded by world leaders. The Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: State right behind him, and Macron leads two rounds of
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  Speaker 1: applause and cries of bravo as the document is signed.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'll hold some of my historical commentary here
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  Speaker 1: on Versa I here for a moment. But it is
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  Speaker 1: nonetheless extraordinary. One of the reasons why it is being
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  Speaker 1: signed electronically and being transmitted between both sides is because
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  Speaker 1: they want immediate resumption of the passage of traffic through
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  Speaker 1: the Strait of Horror Moods, which as of this morning,
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  Speaker 1: three Saudi tankers appear to be making their way through
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  Speaker 1: the Strait of hornor Moves. So it does show us that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some traffic is beginning to resume. And on
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  Speaker 1: the other side, the Iranians know that the moment it's
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  Speaker 1: actually signed considered official, that they get the release of
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  Speaker 1: some of their funds, which Trump of course address. But
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  Speaker 1: as you said, we had a wild Trump press conference
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  Speaker 1: which preceded all of this. It's like somebody injected truth
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  Speaker 1: serum into him and all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the gaff is when a politician tells the truth, and
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of gaffes I think throughout this
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  Speaker 1: entire one. First and foremost is Trump here on nuclear enrichment,
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  Speaker 1: being like, yeah, maybe we won't let them enrich a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: We've been pretty tough in that.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's also it is a little hard though, when you
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  Speaker 4: say that somebody wants to other people have it, other
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  Speaker 4: adjoining states have it, and you're not letting them have
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  Speaker 4: it for purposes of electricity and things like that. It's
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  Speaker 4: always a little tough. You have to use a little
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  Speaker 4: common SENSI please.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, got to use common sense.
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  Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Restauraw is their right to enrich for civilian purposes. But
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  Speaker 2: pre up to this moment, you know, if you said that,
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  Speaker 2: you were mostly like, you know, a fringe lefty, usually radical,
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  Speaker 2: and now here you have the president like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's be reasonable a lot about this. Why
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  Speaker 2: would we ban them from riching a little bit for
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  Speaker 2: civilian purposes?
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  Speaker 1: You were previously surrender monkey if you said, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they said that we won't get a nuclear weapon. They
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  Speaker 1: even agreed not to enrich past a certain point for
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  Speaker 1: civilian purposes. So I used my common sense before the war,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, what's the problem with that? And
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  Speaker 1: yet Trump consistently said that the Iranians would not commit
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  Speaker 1: to zero enrichment, as in zero enrichment and uranium whatsoever
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  Speaker 1: or any nuclear material, including for civilian or for medical purposes,
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  Speaker 1: and used that as a pretext. Remember, he would consistently
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  Speaker 1: say Iran won't remember the magic words, they won't say
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  Speaker 1: the magic words zero nuclear weapons, which he would define
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  Speaker 1: as zero enrichment. Anybody watching the show over one hundred
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  Speaker 1: days ago, I guess now is very familiar. And now
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  Speaker 1: Trump has come full circle back to this show.
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  Speaker 2: So much of it with him too is like whoever
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  Speaker 2: he last spoke with one hundred percent?
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know who what. Maybe it was JD.
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  Speaker 2: Van's last and his year, but somebody gave him some
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  Speaker 2: new thoughts on the matter. Because previously, and not just
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  Speaker 2: during this war, but leading up to it, in the
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  Speaker 2: Twelve Day War and throughout the negotiations, which you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean they had a pretty reasonable deal on the
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  Speaker 2: table before they started bombing Ran the first time around.
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  Speaker 2: But in any case, you know, they he kept having
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  Speaker 2: his red line shifted by Israel and made more and
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  Speaker 2: more extreme. So it became not just no nuclear weapons,
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  Speaker 2: not just no nuclear Richmond whatsoever. But also we're going
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  Speaker 2: to we have to deal with the pallistic missile program,
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  Speaker 2: which is another area that he gets to here. And
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  Speaker 2: now he says, well, how does that make any sense?
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  Speaker 2: If everybody else is allowed to have weapons and defend themselves,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't Iran have a right to defend itself to and
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  Speaker 2: have some sort of a military presence and have their
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  Speaker 2: mollistic missile program.
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  Speaker 3: Let's sake, go listen to that.
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  Speaker 4: So we'll be working on a parallel effort with the
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  Speaker 4: Gulf nations to address non nuclear issues, such as the
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  Speaker 4: conventional ballistic missiles, which we'll be talking about and support.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they have to have some because other people
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  Speaker 4: have some. You've got to have some. Somebody said you
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't give them one, but I have guys. I like
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  Speaker 4: some of these guys, but I don't think this, don't
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  Speaker 4: think they're smart. Sure, you shouldn't let them have any missile.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well what am I going to do? Am
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  Speaker 4: I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles? But they
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  Speaker 4: can't have them?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, sir, can't.
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  Speaker 4: Does it work that way? You know, it doesn't work
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  Speaker 4: that way. And missiles aren't the problem. Missiles or they
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  Speaker 4: heard a little lowkey, but it don't blow up the planet.
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  Speaker 2: Just yeah, absolutely, part true, Yeah, accurate. What you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: let everybody else and there you're gonna let Israel have
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  Speaker 2: whatever they want from ours dot files, but you're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna let her on have any missile.
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  Speaker 1: As he said, in other words, Iran has a right
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  Speaker 1: to defend itself. Right, that's that's.
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  Speaker 3: What it a right to exp does it have a.
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  Speaker 1: Right to Iran has a right to exist and a
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  Speaker 1: right to defend itself. Right, Yeah, he's right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, part of this just belies the basic fact. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: when you lose a war, there are two things that
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  Speaker 1: have to happen. Number one, you don't get everything that
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  Speaker 1: you want, and too, you have to pay them a
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  Speaker 1: lot of reparations. This is Lindy, It's a tale as
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  Speaker 1: old as time. You don't conquer the place. Thus you've
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  Speaker 1: got to take some gold out of the treasury and
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  Speaker 1: you know, haul it on over and sign a memorandum
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  Speaker 1: and as if that doesn't hold, then you go back
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  Speaker 1: to war. This is what happens people. Sorry, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: be about faith in one hundred days, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: what's yeah, so's talking about it. But at a basic level, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's true. But that's why these by uttering these truths
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. Look from Trump, he can reverse
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  Speaker 1: you know, at anything, he.
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  Speaker 3: Can say something different today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say something different today. But there is
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  Speaker 1: power in the truth, and there is power in what
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  Speaker 1: we have been trying to emphasize here for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: How is it that you can allow Israel, a rogue state,
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  Speaker 1: to have a secret nuclear weapons program, to have missiles
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  Speaker 1: to bomb seven of its neighbors, to conquer and annexed
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  Speaker 1: parts of Syria, the West Bank, Lebanon, and Gaza, and
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  Speaker 1: then in a straight face say you're not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: have any even civilian nuclear in Richmond. You're not allowed
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  Speaker 1: to have any ballistic missile threat. You cannot do that,
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  Speaker 1: or you can. You have to take over the entire country,
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  Speaker 1: right And so that's why by saying yes, they have
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  Speaker 1: a right right to defend itself and sure, oh a
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  Speaker 1: civilian nuclear we can't say that. And they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: but you're going to pay them. It's like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: have to pay them, otherwise they're going to continue to
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  Speaker 1: keep the straightformance and even paying, as Trump soon addresses,
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  Speaker 1: is not even really paying them. We're paying them with
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  Speaker 1: their own money like Obama did this so called palettes.
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  Speaker 2: Of cap Let me just react to what you just said,
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  Speaker 2: because I think you made an important point about the
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  Speaker 2: power of truth and the power of reality, and I
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  Speaker 2: think that that has overwhelmed the propaganda efforts, which were
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  Speaker 2: very minimal, by the way, for this war and pretty
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: pathetic and poorly organized and changing day by day. But
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: the ability of the American people to see through some
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: of that propaganda has really overwhelmed this war effort, and
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  Speaker 2: American foreign policy is increasingly built on propaganda and lies,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's things like, oh, Israel's the most moral army
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  Speaker 2: on the planet and there are great allies, and it's
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  Speaker 2: really great for our interests eventually, especially, I mean in
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  Speaker 2: part because of social media. Because you have a much
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: more diverse media ecosystem, you're not able to just keep
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  Speaker 2: people in the mainstream press, where these propaganda efforts are
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  Speaker 2: you know, come with very few holes in them, are
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  Speaker 2: very cohesive. Since you have that access, people are just
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  Speaker 2: not buying this fantasy world. And the fantasy world is
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  Speaker 2: becoming more and more preposterous by the day. I told
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  Speaker 2: you a while ago, I was shocked by this. I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to my mom, who is not like particularly political.
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  Speaker 2: She most of her life has been an independent. Now
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  Speaker 2: she hates Trump, so she's definitely votes for Democrats by
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  Speaker 2: and large, but she was talking about Iran and she
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  Speaker 2: was like, I don't really get it, Like we're allowed
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  Speaker 2: to have nuclear weapons, so they are She's like, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem fair to me. I was like, wow, lom okay,
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  Speaker 2: I was pretty shocked that she said that. But people
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: are seeing through a lot of these lies and these
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: propaganda that has been built up over years and years
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  Speaker 2: and years. So look, Trump, one danger with him always
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  Speaker 2: is that people hear on one day something that they
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: want to hear from Trump, just as the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Zionists who wanted this war. We're hearing a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things from him that they wanted to hear over
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  Speaker 2: a lot of days.
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  Speaker 3: And now he's saying something.
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  Speaker 2: Different and doing something different at least for the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and so they, oh, my god, he betrayed us.
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  Speaker 3: He's shocked.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this man will turn on a dime at
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  Speaker 2: any moment. There is no person he is loyal to,
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  Speaker 2: There is no country is loyal to outside of himself. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's remarkable to hear him say these things
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  Speaker 2: that of course if Fabama said, if Biden said it,
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  Speaker 2: it would be and we would still be hearing about
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  Speaker 2: it on Fox News, et cetera. It is remarkable to
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  Speaker 2: hear him say those things, but of course it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that this is his fixed, locked in position. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that we won't go back to war tomorrow. I
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: mean Israel is still bombing, they root. All of this
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  Speaker 2: is very tenuous and unstable. But the reason to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it is not because Trump is a reliable or
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  Speaker 2: good actor here. The reason to talk about it is
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: because I think you're right. I think there is power
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  Speaker 2: and truth, and I think these are a lot of
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: things that the American people have intuitive, which is why
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: they have been so opposed to this war from the
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  Speaker 2: beginning in a way that is truly unprecedented in I think,
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  Speaker 2: in American history.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just stick again, you know, and I know some
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  Speaker 1: of this is repetitive for long time viewers. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: but like, let's just think about you know, let's go
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: back to Biden logic. We have to arm Ukraine because
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  Speaker 1: they're being invaded. Israel invades. Israel invades Gaza, the West Bank,
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  Speaker 1: Syria and Lebanon annexes their territory in violation of international law,
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  Speaker 1: and we enable it and we ship them weapons. Hold on,
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  Speaker 1: what a second Bucah's a genocide Gaza?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: That no, that's a what is it? A self defense action?
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  Speaker 1: Horrific civilian casualties except one is orders of magnitude bigger
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  Speaker 1: than the other. That doesn't make a hell of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of sense, does it.
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  Speaker 2: Even the framing of Iran as like the singular evening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You know, people watched.
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  Speaker 2: Us in Israel commit a genocide in Gaza for years
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  Speaker 2: and then we go out and try to do our
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  Speaker 2: moral preening in the world. Oh, the Islamic terrorist regime.
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  Speaker 2: But they're shooting protesters in the street. It's not that
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Americans are looking this and go oh yeah, Ron, They're
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: actually the good guys. They're just going like, well, who
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: are we really at this point to go out and
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: lecture the world on moral values? And do we really
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: believe that Donald Trump is so deeply concerned about the
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  Speaker 2: rights of protesters in the street in Tehran?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, it's preposterous.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: And so the the fantasy world has become so divorce
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  Speaker 2: from reality that people did not buy it. They have
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: access to information they didn't used to have. And now
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  Speaker 2: you have an American president who is acknowledging things that
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I've gotten this can change in a moment,
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  Speaker 2: But who is acknowledging obvious logical things that many Americans
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  Speaker 2: into it did and it is hard to put that
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: understanding back in the bottle.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, same with Iraq. I mean, oh, we were
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: greeted as liberators. We're going to bring them democracy and
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: for it. We all lived through that. We all know
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: this is bullshit from day one. It's only the same
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: people who pushed the war are the very same people
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: who are parroting those truths. Which is ironic because in
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  Speaker 1: most cases actually the exact same people who are defending
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: and who were pushing it. There is immense power in
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: the truth. Here is the next one from Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: about Iran's money and how can we just keep it?
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: That would undermine faith in the dollar. Let's go and
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: put a three and let's.
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  Speaker 6: Listen explained though, what the difference is between giving a
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  Speaker 6: rack and US dollars and unfreezing US dollars for.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the unfreezing it's an easy one to answer. We
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: have taken a lot of their money, and we have
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: their money. We have taken them. It's not our money,
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  Speaker 4: it's their money, and we froze it. At a certain
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: point in time, I guess we're going to have to
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: give it back. You know, if we didn't give it back,
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  Speaker 4: nobody would ever invest in the dollar again if you
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: took their money. Because I thought about it, you know,
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: I'm not the post perfect person. I said to Scott Scott,
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  Speaker 4: what do we keep their money? What the hell are
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: we giving it back to them? But you know, people
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  Speaker 4: from lots of nations, some nations we don't agree with,
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: they have their money with the dollars become very strong
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: under me, and they don't want to have a little
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: conflict with somebody and end up having the United States
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: just take their money. So if you do that, you
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  Speaker 4: really don't have a system.
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  Speaker 1: Your rights are absolutely You're absolutely right. And yet again,
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, this is a neocon worldview, is that the
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: United States can be the world's reserve currency in bank
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that just declares when somebody who's spooky and bad doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get to have access to their money, like we did
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  Speaker 1: with Russia. You know, I'm coming back to Russia. We
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  Speaker 1: just said, oh no, actually, all of your money, it's ours.
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  Speaker 1: And as we said at the time, we're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to blow up the integrity of the entire
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: international banking system and create an alternative, you know, cycle
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  Speaker 1: of crypto and of the Chinese wand that will be
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: used to circumvent the US Bank, which actually makes us weaker.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. And then how did Iran actually
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: facilitate some of those two million And we know at
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: least some people paid the toll. How did they pay
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: either in wand or they paid in crypto? Well, guess what.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: You laid the ground for that again with what happened
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: after Ukraine. So you are watching the reckoning and we're
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: actually going to talk about this later. People are now
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: bullish back on the dollar after a result of this,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, hey, actually, you know, we could
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: go back to the world's reserve. Says it's bad for
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the States, especially in an emerging multipolar system where people
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: who are quote enemies or bad or for a president
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: can at any time just turn his back and say
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: all of your money is ours. To be able to
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: keep it. You know, this reminds me of the whole
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Palace of cash situation, which I'll be honest at the
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: time I fell for it because I didn't do enough research.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: But going back treat to PARSI outlined all of this
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: on the Tucker Carlson Show and laid it out extremely well.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, look, he had a certain amount of money
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: was paid by the SHAW to the United States for arms.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: We didn't send the arms, we kept the money. The
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Iranian regime took the US to court at the Hague,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and the Hague was going to rule against us, so
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: we had to send back the money with interest because
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: that's the rule. And we sent back what was their money.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and when they were sanctioned from using any of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: the traditional banking systems, so how else are you going
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: to get them the money then sending them sending them
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: pallets of cash? And that is the piece where it's
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: This one is the hardest for me to stomach from
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Trump because he has demagogued like so much against the
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: JCPOA and the provisions in there and the palettes of cash.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he did the whole thing all in on
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: those talking wow we go Obama with how terrible deal
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: it was and how we sent them these palettes of
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: cash to fund their terrorist activities, blah blah blah. So
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: it is a little bit hard for me to stomach
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: him now acknowledging the truth when it comes to him
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and his deal of Hey, this is actually their money
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: and at some point we probably should give it back.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Otherwise this becomes in a way a problem for us,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: because if we are continually using and abusing our status
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: is the world's reserve currency, our domination of the global
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: financial system, then of course nations are going to figure
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: out alternatives, and that is already happening in nascent form,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: and already our sanctions and the power of those sanctions
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: they're still powerful, don't get me wrong, but already they're
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: beginning to be diminished and less of a threat than
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: they used to be. Now, that's probably a good thing
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: for the world, but if you're an American president and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: you're interested in preserving American empire, not such great there.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: It's a disaster. And yeah, I mean ninety eight that
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Sure where else are you
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: going to go in twenty twenty six. Nope, there's a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: lot of different avenues that you can go through, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: if you're willing to sit there and to suffer, which
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: ultimately that's what happened. The Iranians were like, Okay, we're
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: going to take a massive hit. People are going to starve,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: people are going to be poor, but at the end
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: of the day, we're going to hold out for victory.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: We're literally under consistent bombing and attack. This is an
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: absolute war of survival. And as all regimes that are
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: under that exact type of pressure, they did not buckle,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They got stronger, they held out for potential terms, and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: we eventually had to bend the knee. This is how
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: things were going to work out. As you said, by
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the way, I think this is a good thing. This
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: actually is a healthy dynamic. But this is why it
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: is so intolerable for Israel, because if we treat Iran
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: like a normal country, that erases their regional hegemony over
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the entire world. That erases the fact that we now
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: have to balance these different interests. And you know, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: made this point with doctor Parsi. Iran's GDP is only
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred billion less than the entire nation of Israel. Now, granted,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Israel is a much higher GDP per capita, but there
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: are plenty of small high GDP per capita nations which
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: overall GDP don't make them particularly important to the rest
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of the world. You have Iran here, which unsanctioned and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: reconstructed with that three hundred billion, if they're able to
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: sell oil into the global market to export, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: any of this and then use it to invest twenty
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: five years from now, between the strait of hormones and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the strength of their economy, this is going to be
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a geopolitical not maybe not powerhouse, what regional power. Like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Robert Pape has consistently said, and he really deserves you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: he's the first person who really gave me the vision
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of this framework. He's right, you know, between the power
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of geography and then their ability to export this amount
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of oil. Not to mention you know, look, they have,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: as the neocons always said, there's a lot of intellectual
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: capital that's locked up in Iran. If they have the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: ability over the next twenty five years to operate as
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a normal nation, there is no reason that they will
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: not become massively more economically and strategically important to the world.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: And just to show the power of their bargaining chip. Finally,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody, I have. The number one chirp that
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: annoys me is people say you said oil was going
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to hit two hundred. I'm like, sorry, I didn't foresee
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that China would cut forty percent of all of its
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: imports for the first time ever in human history. I apologize,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Also, you should be thinking, so you should
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: be happy I was wrong, and you should thank China
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: for having better evs and for a shit ton more
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: oil reserve than we do. But we also kept pointing
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to one thing, the strategic petroleum reserve, and we're like, hey,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: all these oil executives say another month or two of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be a real problem. And what did
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: everybody say, Oh, you're wrong, it's not happening. Look at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the delusional traders on Wall Street. Well, same power in
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the truth. Here's Trump saying we had four weeks until
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: every strategic petroleum reserve ran dry. Let's take a listen.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Also, we run out of reserves in about four weeks.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: You know, there are reserves all over the world, and
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: we would really run out, and there'll be a time
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: when you wouldn't be able to get it. And you
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: want to see.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Bedlam, bedlam, bedlam.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: That's what we're at it towards I'll get you know,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Chevron Ceo all Rory. I want to really, these people
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: deserve credit. They were not incorrect. All they did not
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: foresee was China having one of the world's largest strategic
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: petroleum reserves and massively cutting their energy imports, which I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: will just say nobody literally could have foreseen that except
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: for the CCP, if China had continued to import oil,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the current estimate is oil would have been over one
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy dollars a
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: barrel now here. Whenever it comes to the strategic reserve,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: they have access to the ex because the data is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: all out there. We can all see, oh, you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: lowest level since nineteen ninety eight, next week, the lowest
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: level since nineteen eighty four. Were like, well, it's not
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that much oil there, and then when they do, we
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: know how much that we produce on a daily basis,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: We have no slack in the system. We know what
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: direction that's going to go. Same here from Trump, we
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: would have run out of oil and it would have
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: been bedlam. So the basic reality is that Iran's strategy
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was correct, and that fundamentally the weapon of the Strait
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of Hormoves will remain for all time a part of
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: the Iranian playbook, and it should be from their perspective.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We can either change that by occupying their nation and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: taking hundreds of thousands of casualties, or we can pay
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: them and we can just live together. I choose the latter.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I think most people do too.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's very interesting to hear Trump say
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: this to say the least, because I mean, this is
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what the Iranian bet was right. They bet that we
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: could not take the economic pain that they could, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that it would hurt us more and it would force
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: us to come to the table and give them the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: terms that they had long been seeking. This is confirmation
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that they were correct, that that bet ultimately paid off.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: You know, all the propaganda of FDD and others who
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: were saying, oh, if you just if we do a blockade,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: if they're blockade, they're going to completely collapse. Remember that
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they were saying, oh, their oil wells are going to
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: explode and they're going to completely collapse in days. Obviously
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that did not happen. And so here you have Trump
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: acknowledging the reason for the timing of this deal is
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: because we ran out of runway. We were weeks away
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: from what he describes as bedlam, because we were running
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: too low on the strategic petroleum reserve. We weren't the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: only ones the whole world's ability to absorb this extraordinarily
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: truly historic level of an energy shock that was within
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: days to weeks of coming to an end, and so
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that's why he was so intent on getting this deal
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: now because we were out of time.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: There was another very interesting colm.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: We didn't pull it, but I think it was a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: lot of things he said were just like very revealing
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: of what was going on in his head as he's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: watching all of this unfold. And we know how much
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: he watches the stock market and how much market manipulation
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was a part of the entire strategy this whole time along,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and he said, like, look, I observed that when there
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: was talk of peace, the stock market went on, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: when there was talk of war, the stock market went down.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And the markets are that they're more genius than any
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: person on the entire planet. So the markets are wise
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and all knowing. So that sent me the message of hey,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I better get to peace because that's what the stock
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: market wants. I think that was genuinely an influential part
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of his thinking, was just this very simplistic, oh piece
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: good war bad as judging by the response from the market.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was very revealing as well. You know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: all that being said, I just want to again sound
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a note of caution, you know, I'm just reading the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: headlines right now in Haretz. You've got Israel holding negotiations
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: with the US as it seeks to continuous deployment of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: troops in southern Lebanon. One person was killed in an
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Israeli drone strike in a town in southern Lebanon's Navitia district,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: according to a local channel.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: So you still have Israel agitating here.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Netnyahu's entire entire political career is truly on the line.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Israel feels that this is existential. We're going to show
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you some of the continued freak count from their allies here,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: as well as some domestic you know, intense supporters of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: net Yahoo for example, who are just absolutely losing their minds.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: They will do whatever they can to undermine this. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Trump is very sensitive. His ego is very sensitive. You
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: know that he could wake up today, see news coverage
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: she doesn't like, and go back to banging the drums
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: of war.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: None of this is stable.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: The other thing I will just say on the politics
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: of it is, you know, when Biden withdrew from Afghanistan,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: there's this It's not exactly the same, but it is
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a bit of a similar moment of acknowledging the reality
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of this as a failed war. We've been here for decades,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: we didn't accomplish anything. Now is the time to pull
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the plug. What we're going to stay there forever. That
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: was basically the reason for the Afghan withdrawal was there
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: is not going to be a good time to do this,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: so we're just going to do this and acknowledge the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: reality that is in front of everybody's eyes. People leading
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: up to the withdrawal supported it overwhelmingly. If you pulled
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the American people we looked at these polls, they would say, yes,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: we should.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Get out of Afghanistan.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Then it happened, and it became the single most devastating
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: blow to Biden's presidency, the reason being because there was
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: such a united front across all media apparatus. There were
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: very big again credit to ro Connie was one of
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the only ones who was willing to go out and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: defend Biden and his withdrawal from Afghanistan. There was such
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: a blanket condemnation then, of course, like the horror of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: American service members being killed, the mess of all that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: surely did not help anything. Although I don't know that
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: there ever would have been a way that this could
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: have gone completely smoothly. It really was like the death
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: knell of his presidency. And so even though Trump here,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: if this goes through, if we get to peace, etc.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that he brought us into war
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to begin with was an utter and complete disaster. And
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the acknowledgment of the reality of our losing this war,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: which is what happened.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: We lost the war.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: And what that means, what we're going to have to
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: give in exchange for acknowledging that reality would be a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: death now for Trump's presidency. The way that the Afghan
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: removedstra was from Biden.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like ending a war which you shouldn't
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: have been in the first That's why even navigating is
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: just so difficult. Right you want to be like, wow,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: thank you for your strategic wisdom. It's like, well you
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: got us into this damn message.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the reason that the straight of hormans were
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: closed in the first way.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Right, and yeah, what it is actually thank god gas
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just hit three ninety nine a gallon nationally.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Good.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm happy it was to fifty. So okay,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know it's like, are we going to are we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: going to celebrate things. No, that's why instead of Trump,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to attack the people who are attacking
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the deal. That's going to be kind of my where
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm at. But yeah, you're not wrong. A lot of
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: people are not going to forget because it's not like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: things were all peachy here in the US even before
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the US went to or with the run last thing.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Matt Stoler had a good tweet months ago where he said,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I'll believe that a deal is real when Trump starts
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: praising the Iranians in a vaguely homosexual manner and his
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: nascent dude crush is We're very on display, not necessarily
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: to the Iranians here, but to a lot of the
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Arab allies who helped cement this piece deal. Let's take
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a listen a six.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Yes, we're a.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Nice looking person.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: Is he from your gun?
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Is he from your gun? Absolutely?
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: No, he's got such.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: A nice way about him. My people is they're so mean?
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: Look at.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: He cared for No, I can't him.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I could put him in a movie right now, go ahead.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: He's a very tough Negotiator's one of the toughest act
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: So you look at this man, I'll give you a lesson.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: He's the most beautiful looking man. He looks so nice.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: He's like an angel, but actually he's a tough He's
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: a killer. I don't want to he's that killer. He's
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: as tough as a couple, but he looks so good,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: so he gets you by surprise. So he was in
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: a hotel and I met him, and we fell in love,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: deeply in love. And he didn't even want to.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: The last person's talking about there as president of like
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: one of the most brutal dictators.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: He's like, I stayed longer as long as I was
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: supposed to.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: We fell in love.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: So my theory of what happened here that really clinched
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the deal in the end, and you know, led to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Trump's capitulation on some key concessions. As he saw the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Iranian men's national soccer team and was like at these
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: lit these big, strong guys and some better looking to
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise, and he was like, give them what they want.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: They want to do a little nuclear Richmond, why not?
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: They want their money back? Who could blame them? Give
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: them their money back. I think I think that's what's
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: really going on behind the scenes. There was there was
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a chart on Twitter that said, like, as Trump's dementia
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: level rises, also his blatant bisexuality rises in tandem.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: So that might be.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: What's going on here, certainly something. All right, let's get
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to the vance situation. Turning now to this bizarre situuation
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in the Maga neocon world where all of these pathetic
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: cowards do not have the balls to actually say Donald Trump,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you made a bad deal. And so instead it's like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the good czar and the bad boyars. They have to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: go and find who that bad boyar is. Here it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: is now the vice president who is manipulating and controlling
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: things behind the scenes. Here is Ben Shapiro on Fox
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: News making this case. Let's take a listen.
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: I've said many times the President deciding to go into
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: Iran and to hit nuclear facilities in Operation Midnight Hammer
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: and then to go after Iron's ballistic missile facilities and
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: nuclear facilities Army, Navy, and Air Force in this current
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: operation was the signal act of political bravery, perhaps of
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: my lifetime. With that said, this MoU appears to be
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: just from the text, a disaster that does not achieve
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: any of the actual signal goals that were set by
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: the administration at the beginning. There were effectively five goals
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: that were set by the administration at the beginning when
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: it was ending the nuclear program not just nuclear weapons,
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: no nuclear Richmonds, Zeroon Richmond that is not in the deal.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Ballistic missiles ended.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: That is not in the deal, and the President today
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: suggested that ballistic missiles should actually continue to be held
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: by the Iranians because the Saudis our allies also hold
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: ballistic missiles. Then you have the support of terrorism that
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: is not part of the deal. Anything that looks like
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: an attempt to end terrorism, a permanent opening of the
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: straight ofform moves toll free.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Not only is that not in the deal, the deal.
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: Appears to have a provision allowing Iran and Oman to
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: attempt to toll the straits after sixty days, and then
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: finally the idea that Iran would receive some sort of
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: sanctions released after all of those things happen, we are
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: already seeing from day one relief in their ability to
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: ship oil out of Iran. In my opinion, the Vice
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: President of the United States, the chief negotiator on this
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: particular project, has not well served the president.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He has not well served the president he served. Maybe
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: consider the possibility Trump who signed it, can read can
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we accept that possibility? Thus, maybe it's Donald Trump's deal
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and you don't have the stones to say, hey, Trump,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you made a bad deal. About this is It's like
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he's like this infallible, Like literally, it's the czar is infallible.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Only the people around him who are bad. But the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: irony of all of this is is that when Talker
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and a few others remember when of the war breakout
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and they were like, well, Israel drug us into a war?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: They're like, Donald Trump is the wisest, most independent, most
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: singular leader in to say he is controlled, manipulated, in
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: fact preposterously discussing, insulting. Can anybody look at the mighty
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: President Trump and say he is controlled? And now now
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: he's just a weak is like he's not just being
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: all led by his advice. Let me give you my
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: other personal favorite, Will Chamberlain. You know we've had him
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: here on the show. You know him, and I you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I used to like the guy. But the guy was
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a huge defender of this deal today says that we
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: have the text, the deal is absolutely terrible. There's no
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: getting around it. The text gives Iran his huge immediate
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: financial benefits and in exchange the straight nothing else. There's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: what he said on February eighteenth, twenty twenty six. You
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: do not have more insight into what America should do
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: visa vi irn than Donald Trump, jd Vance, Mark or
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Ruby and Pete Hegstath. You just don't let them cook.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I agree, let them I agree, let them cook. Cross
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the plant? Am I right? You know that cross the plant?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: That sounds like pannican behavior.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Some people who are out there doing the trust the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: plan though, like some like they're trying to imagine some
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: four D chess where you know, this all ends in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and and look, it may be the case that we
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: end up going back to it, but it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Won't be forty chess. It'll just be as real.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly exactly, but no, I mean, this has been
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: a consistent theme since the first Trump administration. Then I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: remember hearing all about how, oh it's Kushner's fall, that
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you know Trump is doing X or Y or Z
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: that we don't want him to do. It reminds me
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: too of so John Pedorance is in total melt atys
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: human watermelon is and it's kind of it's very enjoyable
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: because he's telling the truth about something like he's saying.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Things like, I don't know why we even went into
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: this word.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, me neither, why did we you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: at the urging of idiots like you. But in any case,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he said this extraordinary thing about how he was like, look,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: what this all comes down to is the truth of
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the matter is Trump is corrupt. And when he was
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: doing you know, the the Iran war and doing the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: bigging of Israel, that wasn't because of his corruption.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: That was his genuine view.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: But now the corruption is taking hold, just completely ignoring
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the whole Miriam Addelson of the situation, or the way
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that you know, whit Coffin, Kushner and the Trump family
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: are like completely invested in the entire region, et cetera.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: So but now now that he's doing something that Pudoritz
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: does not want him to do, now it's the corruption
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: that's really driving the train. It really is incredible to see.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: But you know, the jd Vance thing is significant politically
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: because in a sense, you know, I think that they
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: are correct to politically correct to hone in on JD
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Vance avoid the direct criticism of Trump because you know
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: howth and skinty is. And Trump himself said that, Hey,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: if this deal doesn't work out, you know, I'm going
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to blame I'm going to blame the vice president. I'm
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: going to say that it was all his fault. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like many things that he uttered yesterday, I think on
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that he was telling the truth.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: Why not stick around for the signing ceremony with this
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Iran piece deal?
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Might you might?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I might, But I'd rather this is a memorandum
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: of understanding. It's very important, but it might not be
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: the kind of a document that I should be showing.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: There's some element to this where you send the vice president.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: If it works out, great, you look like a genius
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: for sending him, and if it doesn't work out, it's
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: the vice president.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I like that idea.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Issue Well, this way, if it works out, I'm going
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: to take the credit. If it doesn't work out, I'm
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: blaming JD. You better be careful, JD. He should have
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: turned his plane around and get the hell out of here.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I like that idea. I think it's a good idea.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting to want to mark Rubus face throughout
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: this entire press gouference, by the way, But no, I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: mean when it was war and Trump is threatening to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: kill the entire civilization and all these sorts of things,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Marco Rubio was very much on the you know, he
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: was on the upswing, and he was put out to
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the media and he was a lot of the public face.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Now that there's an attempt at this memo of understanding
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and negotiations towards a peace deal, jd Vance has been
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: on like three thousand news programs.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just briefing the press this morning.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Oh is he And I just got a notification on
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: my phone that he did one.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: With Russ Dalzad. He was on with the Ladies at
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the View, he was over Fox News.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he really is being made the face of
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: this thing. And so I think there is some truth
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to Trump's quip there that you know, oh, if this
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't go well, I'll just blame JD. Vance And I
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: think you know that will that will allow the neo
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: cons to attack the deal without getting into Trump's bad graces. Look,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a similar strategy to what Joe Kent employed.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You know where he was, but he tried, you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: he went out of his way to be like, oh,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the only person who could get us down of this
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: bind is the magnificent Donald Trump, you know. I mean
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: he understood that Trump's ego is very very fragile, and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: so if you're going to, you know, continue to have
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: any sort of standing with him, you have to protect
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: the ego at all costs. And so they're doing their
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: version of that of well, who can we identify that
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: we can pick on who Also, by the way, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro and JD. Vance have other ideological differences that
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Shapiro would you know, are happy, happy to go after JD.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Vance and make him the potential fall guy if this
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: thing comes apart, which is very very well made.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: This is part of the issue with Trump. He doesn't
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: want to actually take credit for anything. I mean he
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: literally says it out loud. So in some ways you
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: could just say, you know, like he literally said, He's like, well,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: it doesn't worry. If it works out, I'll take credit.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: If it doesn't, then I'll blame JD. I mean, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: think JD has made the calculation. He's like, look, I'm
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: going to be the face of this thing. Nobody else
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: will try to sell it. You know to the pre
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: ware you're gonna have rubios. Rubio went out and sold
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the war. How did that work out? It actually worked
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: out well for me because he's the only person who
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: told the truth. The day after the war. Remember, well,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we had to attack Iran because Israel was going to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: attack them, and they were and there's nothing that we
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: could have done to stop them. So we went into
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the war because of Israel. He literally said it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: So, look, did you hear Hillary Clinton's comments? This is
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: which ones well there she said a lot, but she
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: said she said this thing about how oh Israel tried
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: to get us into war with the Ran many times,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and she said that they would literally tell them like
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the planes are on the tarmac and they'd be like,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: don't care.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: But because Trump.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Is such a rube and he's got a bunch of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: incompetent idiots around him, and because he ultimately wanted this
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: war and wanted to be talked into this, and was
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: very easily talked into it because of the idea of like, oh, sir,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: your legacy, you'll remake them middle least, you'll do what
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: no one else had the courage to do, etcetera, etcetera.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: But in any case, when they did the whole like, oh,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: we're about to go, he was like, all right, well,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I guess we have to go. And that was the
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: final thing that pushed him over the edge, is what
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: it seems like happened.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I look beyond all of you know, the stupidity
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of even getting into all of this in the first place.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I do actually think this is very important. Let's go
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and put d B three up here on the screen.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: This was Everyone should read this. The Israeli ultra hawks
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: who feel betrayed by Trump's Iran deal. Shimon Ricklin, an
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: anchor on the country's right wing channel fourteen and a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Natsa nyathu ally ally thinks America stabbed Israel in the back.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I really recommend everybody go and actually read this thing
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: to get into the deranged minds of the Israeli right wing.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: But the important line there, which has a deep historical
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: parallel to the Versailles and the Memorandum of Understanding and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the fourteen points, just like you know the fourteen points
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: by Wilson the Peace Plan, is the phrase stabbed in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the back, because what is playing out right now is
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the exact same situation as the Germans of nineteen nine
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: team where the home front collapsed and they had to
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: surrender at the Treaty of Versailles, and they decided to
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: concoct this theory where it was the German people who
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: opposed the war from continuing because they were starving and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: going through like revolution, that it was their fault that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: the Great Armed Forces ended up having to surrender. This
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: stab in the back theory obviously becomes intrinsic with Nazism.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: But in this case, the people who stabbed the Israelis
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in the back are us, the Americans, because we don't
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: have the stomach for war, as they recently wrote. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: why is this so dangerous? Because for them they're going
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to construct this unhinged new reality which you can actually
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: read in here. And he goes, well, you know, the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: blockade of the blockade was working, and if America had
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: just allowed our Kurdish militias to enter, then it would
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: have worked. He said, the IDF General staff told him
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that there was an eighty percent chance of regime change
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: if we had just let these curve. I mean, this
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: is the same durin shit that the Germans used to
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: say after the First World War. Oh if only we
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: had done this one more military for.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: The Vietnam vet endor. Yeah, they hit in the same
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: shit all the days.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Then we could have it all could have worked out,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, but why is that so dangerous?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Because when you don't reckon with reality what happens? Oh well,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: we all know we're stabbed in the back when back
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: under Germany. But like the parallels here are exactly the same.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Where they cannot grapple with their own failure like they might.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: They can only be failed. It's like the whole Trump
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: can't fail, it can only be failed. The Israelis can
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: never fail. They can only be failed in this case
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: by America. Go ahead and look. Trump's approval rating now
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: is minus twenty three in Israel. Three weeks ago it
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: was plus sixteen. What does that tell you? Right, they
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: want us to serve them, like that's the way that
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they look at it. You can actually even read throughout
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: this entire.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Think about I mean, Trump has done everything everything they
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: truly like, they basically annexed, you know, parts of Syria,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: invaded and annexed parts of Lebanon. They have now sixty
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: to seventy percent of Gaza that they've annexed. You know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: he supported their genocide for a long time before we
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: got any sort of a deal there. The deal continues
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: to be a disaster in the Israelis are still allowed
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to kill with impunity Palestinians, the West Bank rampaging. Even
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the little bit of you know, settler sanctions that the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Biden administration put on like four people.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: The Trump ad.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Michael, Oh, we can't do that, you know, We've got
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: to let the violent terror settlers rampage throughout and do
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: whatever they want. He has done everything they want up
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: to and including starting this war, which was something that
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: the Israeli public and NETNAHUO wanted very dearly. And now
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: they cannot handle the fact that this was a disaster.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It was not only a dramatic disaster and miscalculation by Trump,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: it was a dramatic disaster and mixed calculation by them
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: because all of their oh, it's going to regime is
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: going to collapse, and they're so weak, blah blah blah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: They were high on their own supply, the same way
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: that Trump was high on his own supply. With regards
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to Venezuela, I want to read you this one section
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and Shatner I don't know why anyone ever agrees to an.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Interview with this guy.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Which guy's is really so he does, I guess, I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: They're very savvy about American medias. I'm not sure about that.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: But unlike the domestic political context here where Shapiro and
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: others are going out of their way not to blame Trump,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: he and the Israelis are very much putting the blame
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: on Trump, as they should, I guess, and Channer kind
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: of plays along with him in all of this and
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: all of his delusions. So in any case, Channer says,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: putting aside the merits of this war? Do you think
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: people such as yourself and the Prime Minister misjudge Donald Trump?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I know you said a joyful prayer on the air
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: when he was elected in twenty twenty four. You must
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: have had some sense of who this guy is, that
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he isn't loyal to anyone, that he had no real
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: core values. The response, listen, I was really happy when
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: he was elected.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I admit it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I think it was good for Israel, and in the
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: beginning it was. But today I don't know what to think.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I am really in shock. Chattner goes on it's hard
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to fathom again playing along with him. I don't have
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of moments like this. I don't remember someone
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: in modern history who would go with you and do
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: wonderful things and then suddenly disappear and go against you.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: So no, I'm the bad guy. I supported you, I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: was the good guy. How did I become the bad guy?
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: And Iatola is the good guy? And then Shanna replies,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: this is why I was wondering whether you had ever
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: observed Donald Trump?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Did you know who you're dealing with here?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Like, the man has no loyalties to anyone anything except
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: what serves him right then, in that moment, and five
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: days from now, they may be cheering him again. You know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: they're negotiating over whether they continue to occupy and bomb
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: in Lebanon, and we'll see what happens with that.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens over.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: The next sixty days, whether his ego can handle the
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: damage that it's no doubt sustaining, as so many people
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: come out and say, hey, this is actually really it's.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Not even that it's a bad deal. It is the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: necessary deal.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: But clearly it acknowledges reality that we lost and they won.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Can he handle that. Can he sustain it?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: So the same guy may be singing his praises again
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: and thinking their besties again, you know, in a week's time.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: But pretty wild to see the level of delusion that
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: they had about who and what they were dealing.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Oh it's look, they created in their own mythos and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I think they really believed Neta Yahuu that he controlled
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump or that he was you know, had the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: What did he say once behind closed door, He's like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I know exactly how to work the Americans. I mean,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: to his credit, he did. He actually did. I mean,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you can't say that he didn't get almost ninety eight
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: percent of what he wanted. But as usual with these
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: rampaging lunatics is that they get what they want and
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: it's working, and it's working, and it's working, and then
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: they go one dice, roll too many and oh seven
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: comes up on the table. And that's what happened here
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: with Iran, is they actually got everything that they wanted,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: which is part of the why it's good because it
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: shows you that we be absent a ground invasion, we
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: threw everything we had at Iran and they still did
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: not buckle in the way that they wanted, so they
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: have nothing. That's why they need the stab in the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: back theory. But again I really want I want to
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: emphasize that, you know, considering where history went after the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Treaty of Versailles, at Trump signing the Versailles Memorandum, after
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: stab in the back, it can get very, very dangerous,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: by the way, you know, on JPod, I've been wanting
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to revisit this. Do you remember this from July four,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five when Trump said the word shylock and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: JPod said, Trump bombed Iran? He can say shylock one
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: hundred times a day forever as far as I'm concerned.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So I just want to know, JPod, does Trump still
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: have your permission to say that is my most practiced
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: shylock card of the day. Does he still have a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: shylock card?
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: So beyond here that is.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: An open questionable to the human watermelon, JPod.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: One last thing I want to add in here, just
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: as we're thinking of how unhinged the Israelis are, how
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: existential this is for Netanyahu's political career, which I genuinely
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: think it is, and his political opponents are all challenging
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: him from the right, all saying like you were not
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: hawkish enough and you need to defy the Americans, that
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we can't accept this weak status, as their clients state,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that's how they're all posturing. It's it's very popular with
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: the Israel public. So I do think he is in deep,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: deep political trouble. So I mean, what would he and
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: what would the state be willing to do in order
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: to you know, resecure his standing in order to go
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: back to war that he personally sees as being existential
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: for his political career, and I think the nation of
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Israel sees as being existential to their you know, their
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: construction as they are now their particular view of how
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: you know, they can't possibly allow any rival, They can't
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: have anyone who could even theoretically challenge them, whether or
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: not they have intent to do them harm or not.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: And in that vein, it was very unnerving to see
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Laura Lumer tweet that soon there will be a massive
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Islamic terror attack in America and the perpetrators will likely
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: have financial ties to podcasters and those who are sowing
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: discord for foreign nations in America. I predict there will
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: be many casualties. Only then will it may be set
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: in that people have been conned into supporting a terrorist
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: syop to distract you from the threat of Islam while
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: the enemy plotted to destroy our country from within with
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: bottled conspiracy theories. It will likely be ten times worse
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: than nine to eleven. Glenn Greenwald quote treated this and said,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: everyone understandably gets a bit nervous when an agent of
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Israel starts threatening, I mean predicting a major mass casualty
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: terrorist attack in American soil just days after the American
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: president announces a.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Deal that enrages all of Israel.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I wish that we could ignore the rantings of Laura Lumer,
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: who was a genuinely mentally unwell person, but unfortunately she
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: has influence, has been shown to have influence. You know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: she's been targeting trade to Parsi, and next thing you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: you get this fruit Press article saying that he's under
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: investigation and being threatened with deportation. So unfortunately, we cannot
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: ignore the ravings of this lunatic, and we cannot ignore
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: what a dangerous situation and phase we're in right now
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: because of the Israel. For the Israelis, there are no
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: moral red lines because they are always inherently the good guys,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: and so anything they do in service of what they
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: see as their sense is inherently moral and just because
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: they are good people, no matter what they do, their
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: actions have no bearing on the fact that they are
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the permanent victims and they are the permanent good guys.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: So when you have a you know, bankrupts moral landscape
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: or a non existent moral landscape such as that, there
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: is nothing you can put off the table that they
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: would not try to, you know, for net nyahuo to
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: preserve as political status and for them to be able
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: to preserve their ascendant dominance in the Middle East.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, look, I don't count these people
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: out for a second. The lower lumor thing very dangerous.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: The level of anger inside of Israel. I mean, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: don't know how much you should take like the musings
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: of various you know, random Israelis, like that's always a
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: little bit dangerous. But if you take a look at
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: some of their telegram channels and things like there's some
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: unhinged stop I'm looking at one from this morning that said,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: this is an anonymous telegram channel of a bunch of Israelis,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: and they said we will join the Iranians chant of
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: death to Americ right. I mean, two people have the means,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the opportunity, the ability, and so maybe we should start
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: worrying about sleeper cells, you know, in terms of sabage.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Here's another headline from this one from the Times of Israel,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: which is a more like right wing outlet nen Yahoo
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: to lean on right wing pundits pro Israel senators to
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: influence final Iran deal. This is PERCNN plans to use
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: pro Israel senators, the right wing media personalities to influence
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: the terms of the final agreement. Believes a final deal
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: with Iran will be secured, but that Tehran will not
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: fulfill its obligations. Plans to use media figures like Fox
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: News is Mark Levin and pro Israel politicians to get
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: his message across to Trump. So as you were watching,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: you know Ted Cruz has been critical of the deal.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Obviously Levin has been losing his mind as you're watching
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: these people, just remember they may have literally gotten a
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: call from net Nyahu telling them what to say, how
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to push, and how to try to manipulate the situation.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly right. All right, We've got a great guest standing by.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Let's get to it.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: So we now have the official terms in the Memo
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: of Understanding, so to dig more into those terms and
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: what they will mean going forward. We're very happy to
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: be joined for the first time by Muhammad Ali Shabani.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: He is the editor of m Watch Media. We've relied
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: on some of their reporting. They've had some fantastic scoops
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: over the course of this entire conflict, of course before
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: It's great to have you, sir.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Good to see you, sir.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: So let's go ahead, guys and put this first element
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: up on the screen. This is some of your reporting
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: of the Iranian released version of the Memo of Understanding. Here,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: just break down for us what you see as being
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: some of the most significant points as we move into
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the sixty day negotiation period.
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: Well, I think first and foremost, the most important thing
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: to keep in mind is basically that this is MU
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: is a Memoran and of understanding.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: This is a framework, This is a world map.
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: This is not a finalized deal that needs to be
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: fully implemented for next ten years, right, So the most
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: important provision I think within this MoU is that it
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: provides for sixty days to come to a final deal,
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: as it's referred to within this document, and that sixty
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: day period can be extended by mutual consent. However, there
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: is a kind of deadline here, and the big ticket
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: items such as how to resolve the future of the
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: one nuclear program, those kinds of things have been mostly
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: pushed back, and so it's going to be difficult next
• 52:29
  Speaker 8: two months ahead, and we don't know. They may need
• 52:32
  Speaker 8: more time, they may need less time, and they may
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: also come to the conclusion that a deal isn't to
• 52:38
  Speaker 8: be had. And already we're seeing a lot of people
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: in Israel in particular.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: You know, there are two camps.
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: One camp is very much outraged about this MoU and
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: the other camp is very relaxed, saying essentially they're not
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: going to have a final deal. So, if I were
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: to outline anything that's very important about this MoU is
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: the number one. It's not a final deal. In outlines
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: sixty days for negotiations on things like the nuclear program.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: But apart from that, the provisions within the MoU which
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: have starred a lot of I think contention, include things
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: like the extent of the Iran USC squire. So this
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: is a document between Iran and the United States. There
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: are no other signatories to this apart from Pakistan as
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: the mediator, and it does say essentially that this truth
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: or this secession of hostilities extends to their allies, their
• 53:27
  Speaker 8: respective allies in this war. And that's very important because
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: that means essentially Israel is a party to this document,
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: even though Israel hasn't been in the negotiations. Israel didn't
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: signed this. And one of the provisions in paragraph one,
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: for instance, is that Lebanon's territorial integrity and sovereignty must
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: be ensured and that for instance, fighting extends to for
• 53:49
  Speaker 8: instance Lebanon as well. And this is going to be
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: one big test I think for this for this MU
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: one of the initial tests, which is is Israel is
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: going to adhere to paragraph one right, it can argue that,
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: for instance, that this still had nothing to do with this, Well,
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: then sign this document and we're not going to put
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: up with it. And that's going to be a big
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: problem for Trump. I think how is he going to
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: deal with that, especially with the domestic political firestorm it's
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: facing right for having agreed to someone. So that's just
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: one of the many points that I would I would fate.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Very good point. By the way, this morning, you know
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Israeli media Netta Noa who says we are not bound
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: by the agreement, So you know that doesn't exactly take
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a genius to see that one coming. Can we put
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to us C three where we have the draft compared
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: to the final image up here on the screen, because
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: there were a couple of interesting flags that we have here,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: our producers created this graphic where in the original draft
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: they actually added an explicit pledge to protect Lebanese sovereignty.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: In Article four, they said that the US will only
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: begin removal at signing and will fully end the blockade
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: at a thirty day deadline. In Article five they explicitly
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: added a line where they said that free passage will
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: resume only for sixty days under the memorandum of understanding,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: which open up the door to charging tolls through the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: strait of horm moves between Iran and Oman. In article
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: seven they write about sanctions, it adds a mutual pledge
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: to quote immediately address the sanctions issue once talks start.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: And then Article eight, perhaps the most important, they say
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a same reaffirmation, but now specifically a minimum method of
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: on site down blending under IAEA supervision of enrichment talks
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: added to what do you make of these concessions given
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: obviously by the United States, you know, at the last
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: minute in the final memorandum understanding compared to the draft
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: which had been released some twenty four hours earlier.
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: So you know, we reported a couple of days ago
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: on this provision and paragraph one that got to do
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: with Lebanon specifically, it's about the again ensuring the territorial
• 55:47
  Speaker 8: integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon, and the Aeian side kind
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: of insisted that they had managed to get that language
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: in there as a direct result of the Israeli a
• 55:57
  Speaker 8: tackle on Babe. So just as a kind of quick backdrop,
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: IWON had put out a redline saying that an Israeli
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: attack on the Lebanese capital would warrant a direct response
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: from Iran against Israel, this kind of triangular pattern, and
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: I think just when the US and Evan were on
• 56:13
  Speaker 8: the cusp of signing this MoU the Israeli's launched this
• 56:16
  Speaker 8: attack on Baby, probably calculating, probably knowing that IWON is
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: going to hit back, and Iran that night was loading
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: its missiles the launchers were being loaded, and it was
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: on that level apparently, and they managed through the direct
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: interventional Trump a number of concessions by the United States
• 56:34
  Speaker 8: come to an agreement and they did not fire anything
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: at Israel that night. So that kind of gambit by
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: Netanyah who seems to have backfired in the sense that
• 56:42
  Speaker 8: some of these concessions that you outlined, including Lebanon specifically,
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: appear to have been a direct result of this kind
• 56:50
  Speaker 8: of gambit by Nathania. We're trying to god One into
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: attacking and then for him to then strike back at
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: Evan obviously, get that dynamic going and kind of try
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: to derail Evan US diplomatic That's the kind of essence
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: of of the dynamic there. I think another thing he
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: attempted with that operation by hitting Baby was to say,
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: especially what he's doing now that hisbolizes for US a
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: national security issue has got nothing to do with the
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: United States, where anything he signed with he wants is
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: not going to apply to us. We're not going to
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: pay attention to that. And you know, he has a
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: right to do that, he's a leader of Israel in
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: a leader of different country, But then he needs to
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: also accept that there's going to be costs for that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: You know, Israel's ability to fight this war realized a
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: lot in the United States. If he doesn't want the
• 57:31
  Speaker 8: US involved in any kind of diplomacy to do with
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: Israel or the region, then you know it'd be difficult
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: for him to argue, then you need to give me
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: all the possible support, political support, military support, having actual
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: US forces stations inside Israel, operating missile defense, et cetera.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: Things like that.
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: So it's putting him in an awkward position. And having
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: said that, I think what we need to really keep
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: in mind again, I hate to be repetitive that this
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: is MoU It's not a final deal. There are a
• 57:58
  Speaker 8: lot of negotiations ahead. There are a lot of heated
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: reactions right now to a lot of the provisions in there. Well,
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: we need to just try to keep in mind again,
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: is that this story, this episode, about how this language
• 58:09
  Speaker 8: about Lebanon was inserted there. It holds an important lesson
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: that maybe on the previous few US administrations, Israel was
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: quite a depth playing the White House, frankly, to try
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: to kind of threaten something and get something out of them,
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: And now he Wan's kind of doing the opposite, right.
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: And it's interesting that just yesterday, i think the day before,
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: Hillary Clinton went out and essentially said that the Israeli
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: is doing her term as secretary, saying, you know, they
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: used to do this kind of stuff all the time,
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: saying that we're going to attack yourn we have planes
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: on the tarmac, and she would just say, you know,
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: you guys, go ahead. And it'd be interesting if, you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: you know, if Trump would were to do the same
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: thing now after this incident in Babut, if natanyaw is
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: to say, no, I don't care what you guys gonna do.
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna go ahead and bombay route. And what if
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: Trump just says, go ahead.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be our guest. Yeah, make sure you have some
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: bad missiles too, to shoot down some missiles. Whenever the
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: time comes. We wish you the.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: Best of luck.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Lingering on Lebanon here for a moment, and the first
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: provision where this language about quote ensuring the territorial integrity
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: and sovereignty of Lebanon appears in the final draft. It
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: didn't appear in the earlier draft that was leaked to
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: American media outlets. Do the Iranians you think interpret that
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: as a demand for the IDEF not only to stop
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: bombing and attacking, but also to fully withdraw from southern Lebanon.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: So we have.
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: Reports saying that as Bulla apparently has been informed by
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: the audience that a final deals again keep in mind,
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: is not the This is not the final deal, don
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: or the final deal with the United States will entail
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: And that's where.
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: The language about territorial integrity and sovereignty come in. You
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: can't have sovereignty with foreign forces on your soil. That's
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: not sovereignty. Sovereignty literally is defined as monopoly on violence
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: within your boundaries, your territorial boundaries. Right, So I think
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: that's the that's the kind of long term gain, that's
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: what they're looking at down the line. Again, we don't
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: know how long these negotiations on the final deal are
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: going to continue. We know there's a sixty day period,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: but it says extendable by mutual consent, right, so we
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: don't have a clear timeline. What we do know is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: that the endgame is Israel needs to leave Lebanon. And
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 8: you know, frankly, I'm not sure whether that's against Israeli interests.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: Israel spent eighteen years in Lebanon until the early two thousands,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: you know, and I don't think they want to stay
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 8: in there. There's not really much for them there. They're
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 8: just exposed right now. They're facing a lot of difficulties
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 8: with things like these new drums that has Boloized firing
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 8: at them on a daily basis.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: It's not a good situation.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: I think for Israel it's much more How can I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: put this advantageous to find Larnche air strikes, et cetera
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: from behind the border? Right, they can do that, they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: can continue doing that, but having forces on underground puts
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: them at great vulnerability, a lot of political risk and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: direct confrontation with.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: The United States.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: You're assuming they think rationally, well, it.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Gives them of your segre, It gives them kind of
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: an excuse to retreat without it being labeled as such.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: All the Americans are forcing us into it. But to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: your point, they've been sustaining significant losses in Lebanon, much
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: more so than what they were expecting.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mohammed, I do want to get your reaction to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: C four. We can put it up here on the screen.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I'm curious from your perspective, whenever you're talking with international sources.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Here in the United States, we are already watching a
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: deep state effort to try in torpedo elements of the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: memorandum understanding and an eventual deal. So recently, the State
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Department actually told Congress that Iran's oil exports are quote
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: a primary revenue source for terrorism financing, which is hours
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: after the US and Iran signed the memorandum that included
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: oil sanctions relief, and Trump is downplaying Iran's behavior. The
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: reason why this matters is if by reporting that they
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: actually are making themselves subject to congressional review if they
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: want to try and take some sanctions off, and their
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: significant domestic elements here in the US, specifically headed by
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Mark or Rubio here obviously, which could easily technically derail
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the details. What I'm curious for you is how do
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the Iranians see the actual capability of getting across a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: finish line, as well as some of the other regional
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: sources that you've spoken to.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 8: So Iran, I think the way it approaches things like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: sanctions relief is that it will rely heavily on waivers
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: or presidential waivers.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's the way they look at things.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: Ultimately they understand that Congress is going to be difficult,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: and then that prior to November, Trump can push things through,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: but after November it's going to be much more difficult.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: And we're seeing one layer to that in the reactions
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: to this MoU by the Democrats who have opposed this war,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: but now that there's an actual cessation of hostilities, now
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: that there's actual document to find a way out of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 8: this conflict, they're among the loudest voices were opposed to
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: this document, you know, screaming that Trump is handing over
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  Speaker 8: X and Y, et cetera. So that's kind of giving
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  Speaker 8: us a sense of Congressional action is going to be difficult,
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  Speaker 8: and sooner you get it done, the better. But the
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  Speaker 8: first and foremost is reliance on presidential waivers to kind
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  Speaker 8: of get a lot of these sanctions really through. But
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  Speaker 8: I think zooming out further, the number one calculation I
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  Speaker 8: think on the part of you one is if we
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  Speaker 8: manage to get a deal that is implemented, that's a win.
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  Speaker 8: If we don't manage to get a deal because of
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  Speaker 8: subterfuge or what have you. On the part of the
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  Speaker 8: United States, that's also a win because we managed to
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  Speaker 8: make clear to our own.
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  Speaker 5: People that we're not the problem here. Right, So in.
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  Speaker 8: Case there is a resumption of hoscilities, then they're going
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  Speaker 8: to basically be able to count on popular support that
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  Speaker 8: they wouldn't if it became quite clear that they're not
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  Speaker 8: being rational they don't want a negotiated solution to do
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  Speaker 8: all of this, etc. So I think the way they're
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  Speaker 8: approaching sanctions relief is it's a win win. We get it,
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  Speaker 8: we win if we don't get it because of us
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  Speaker 8: inaction or what when domestic politics has also a win
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  Speaker 8: for us. It just shows we can make a deal
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  Speaker 8: with the United States.
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  Speaker 2: What do you see as the most difficult sticking points
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  Speaker 2: over the next sixty days in terms of secure a
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  Speaker 2: final deal?
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  Speaker 8: So, I mean there are some It's quite interesting. So
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  Speaker 8: on Trump's marks rest yesterday, he was quite honest for
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  Speaker 8: the first time. I think he was just saying things like,
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  Speaker 8: you know, you can't tell you onan not to have
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  Speaker 8: any kind of nuclear program and then its neighbors have
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  Speaker 8: it and missiles and these kinds of things.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's going to be.
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  Speaker 8: A lot of pushing pull about the details of things
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  Speaker 8: like the enrichment, the uranium enrichment. I think that can
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  Speaker 8: be solved. They had a solution prior to this war,
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  Speaker 8: which was basically for Youwan to engage in an international
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  Speaker 8: constortium on its soil with a bunch of its neighbors,
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  Speaker 8: to basically have a multinational operation going to make sure
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  Speaker 8: that there's maximum transparency there's going to be any kind
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  Speaker 8: of diversion of the nuclear program for weaponization. I think
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  Speaker 8: there's a solution for that. I think when you look
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  Speaker 8: at things like terrorism financing, of course there's a domestic
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  Speaker 8: political element to it that has to do with sanctions really,
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  Speaker 8: but I think another element to it is an attempt
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  Speaker 8: to shape the framework of these negotiations. If you look
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  Speaker 8: at the MU, there are a couple of things in
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  Speaker 8: which stand out in terms of their missing.
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  Speaker 5: Number one is missiles.
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  Speaker 8: Number two is this kind of Ewan's region Alliance network.
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  Speaker 5: How it's going to approach that.
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  Speaker 8: So I think in these negotiations we're going to possibly
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  Speaker 8: see some attempts to put these things on a gender.
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  Speaker 8: But again, it's quite confusing because Trump is so openly
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  Speaker 8: now going out and saying that, you know, Iran has
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  Speaker 8: to be able to defend itself. We can't have a
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  Speaker 8: situation with Ivan whereby he can't defend itself. And here
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  Speaker 8: we're going to see the influence and possibly even the
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  Speaker 8: limits of what Israel and it's kind of allies in
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  Speaker 8: Washington can achieve because we understand that prior to this war,
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  Speaker 8: there was a lot of talk about the nuclear program
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  Speaker 8: being an imminent threat. And as soon as the war
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  Speaker 8: had begun and things started going wrong, we saw it.
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  Speaker 8: Onao go out and say, well, hold on, it wasn't
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  Speaker 8: the nuclear issue. In fact, it was the missiles that
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  Speaker 8: Evan had X amount of missiles that we're going to
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  Speaker 8: fight at uts, which would be the.
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  Speaker 5: Equivalent of a nuclear bond. Right.
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  Speaker 8: And now that Ewan has had this war and it's
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  Speaker 8: found that missiles are basically its only real means of
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  Speaker 8: determines and defense, they're not going to give them up.
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  Speaker 5: So is that going to be the.
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  Speaker 8: Achilles Heel of these kinds of negotiations.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know. We're going to find out in the
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  Speaker 5: next sixty days or so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the fact Trump says something today doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: you won't say something different tomorrow. We've seen these Raelies
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  Speaker 2: in the past be successful at incerting new red lines
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  Speaker 2: into negotiations that end up being poison pills, So that
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  Speaker 2: certainly is a possibility. I'm curious. Just lastly for me,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that there's one camp of Israelis that are
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  Speaker 2: really freaking out. We've shared some of their commentary on
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  Speaker 2: this show, so our audience will be very familiar with
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  Speaker 2: that viewpoint. You said, there's another faction that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: relaxed because they're like, heh, that's never going to be
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  Speaker 2: a deal, don't worry about it. We're going to be
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  Speaker 2: going back to war. It's going to be fine. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think is giving them that confidence?
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  Speaker 8: I think, based on what I've read the people in
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  Speaker 8: the security circles and intelligence, they're essentially saying that their
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  Speaker 8: read of you want, their understanding of you want is
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  Speaker 8: that these bottom lines they have on things like the
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  Speaker 8: nuclear on things like the regional policies such as the
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  Speaker 8: also the missile program, they're not going to budge on them. Fundamentally,
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  Speaker 8: these are points that they've been quite stubborn on for
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  Speaker 8: the past twenty years. They may be right, they may
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  Speaker 8: also be wrong because there's been one big change in
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  Speaker 8: you won because we've changed from one fomb and a
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  Speaker 8: to another. Right, there has been a regime change, just
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  Speaker 8: not the kind of regime change that the United States
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  Speaker 8: and Israel may have liked.
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  Speaker 5: Right, So we don't.
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  Speaker 8: Know what this new leadership, how pragmatic they may be
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  Speaker 8: on things like the nuclear issue, things like the regional
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  Speaker 8: alliance networks.
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  Speaker 5: We have no idea. So I think this is a
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  Speaker 5: kind of a black box right now.
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  Speaker 8: And again we're just going to have to wait and
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  Speaker 8: see and time will tell to what extent you want
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  Speaker 8: in the United States can be flexible in the relations.
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  Speaker 8: What we do know is that the former supreme leader
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  Speaker 8: of you want aye six year old Alifamina, he was
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  Speaker 8: quite stringent on certain things and now he's gone and
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  Speaker 8: we don't know how he wants.
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  Speaker 1: Bottom line may have changed. Right, really really good point. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Mom and SOT sightful. Thank you so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me