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Can Hypnosis Enlarge Your Breasts Without Surgery? Is Hypnotic Breast Surgery Real? · The Hypnotist

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  Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
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  access to cutting edge hypnosis with real clients facing genuine
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  issues. Brought to you by the
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  Hypnotherapist, demanded by celebrities, CEOs and even
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  royalty. Adam Cox.
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  These recordings took place live from Adam Smith in London's
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  world famous Harley Street. So get yourself comfortable and
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  enjoy today's episode of The Hypnotist.
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  Hi, it's Adam here, and even though it is April the 1st as I
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  record this, this is not an April Fools episode.
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  It is, however, an episode that genuinely asked the question Can
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  hypnosis enlarge your breasts? And it sounds ridiculous and it
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  sounds almost unbelievable, but we actually do go into the
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  genuine question as to whether or not this is actually possible
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  in this episode. Now for some context, I've been
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  invited onto national television twice to address this particular
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  question because there is a high profile politician in the UK
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  that used to be a hypnotherapist is now the leader of the Green
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  Party, Zach Polanski. And many, many years ago, about
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  12 years ago, he was in the National Newspaper saying that
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  hypnosis can enlarge your breasts.
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  And now the media are using that association to damage his
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  credibility. And when I was invited on to TV,
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  doing basic research before I actually went on TV, my
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  conclusion is that this is not true.
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  It is not real. It is not something that you can
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  do. And if there are any changes,
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  they're going to be very temporary, they're not going to
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  last very long. And that it is unethical for a
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  hypnotherapist to actually say that hypnosis can enlarge your
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  breasts. Very soon you're going to hear
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  and see the two TV interviews where I state that I say that
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  hypnosis can change your belief systems, it can't change your
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  biology. And if hypnotherapist could
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  really enlarge your breasts, why am I not seeing more
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  hypnotherapist actually do it? And having a podcast about
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  hypnosis, speaking to all the conferences.
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  I know lots of hypnotherapists and up until actually the
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  interview that you're going to hear with Rob Degruf, you're
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  actually, I would say I didn't know any hypnotherapist that
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  actually credibly thought you could do this.
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  But because I shared these clips of me being featured on TV with
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  my audience and I'm connected to so many hypnotherapists, one
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  credible hypnotherapist did reach out to me, in fact a few.
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  But one was very passionate about it.
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  And I know Rob, he also speaks at a lot of the conferences that
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  I speak at. He's a credible guy.
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  He's not the kind of person that says stuff just for attention or
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  exaggeration. And I'm one of these people that
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  I don't like just holding a belief system without hearing
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  the other side of things. So when Rob was putting messages
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  and comments in my Facebook post saying actually there's some
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  research that supports this, and actually I've done this with a
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  few clients, rather than me just saying, right, I'm going to hold
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  my fixed position, my belief system, I thought.
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  What a great. Opportunity for me to have a
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  conversation with Rob and actually investigate this.
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  Now I will say I've never worked with a client to do hypnotic
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  breast augmentation or enlargement.
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  Deep down I'm very skeptical and cynical.
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  I don't think it can do what cosmetic surgery can do.
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  But it has got me thinking that there might be certain cases
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  where hypnosis could actually have some kind of impact on
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  breast size. I'm open minded.
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  Whereas at the point where I did these TV interviews, I was very,
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  very fixed minded. And it's this is ridiculous.
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  This can't be done. Now, I'm still going to hold
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  that belief that it can't be done from my perspective because
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  I haven't worked with a client on this particular issue.
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  I've not seen it and I've not seen credible recent research.
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  Even Rob mentions research that took place in the 1970s and his
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  research isn't in clinical controlled conditions.
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  It is anecdotal, but he is a credible hypnotherapist that has
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  actually seen results and did a pretty good job I would say, of
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  looking at the variables like menstrual cycle, like body
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  weight, like other things. So I would encourage you to
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  listen to this with an open mind and actually to put in the
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  comments what you think. Do you think hypnosis can
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  enlarge a woman's breasts? Or is this just exaggeration?
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  Is it a misconception? Is it a myth?
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  Or is it just an ethical? Let me know in the comments.
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  But I would encourage you to keep an open mind while you
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  first of all watch MY2 TV interviews where I talk about
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  this and then my conversation with Rob and see what conclusion
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  you come to to Let's see if we can answer the question, can
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  hypnosis enlarge your breasts? Stay tuned and let me know in
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  the comments. I'm very pleased to be joined
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  now by hypnotist Adam Cox. Adam, thank you very much for
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  joining us in the studio. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  I regret that I've got to ask you this.
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  It's first time we've met, but can you hypnotize a woman to
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  have larger breasts? Unfortunately not for very long.
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  I think the studies that have investigated this have looked at
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  how a hypnotic suggestion can influence female hormones and
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  that can temporarily, very temporarily change the breast
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  size, but it doesn't last very long.
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  And I think the headline that was attributed kind of gave the
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  idea that you can actually have breast enlargement without
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  surgery. And I would say that would be an
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  unethical thing to say because it gives the idea of permanently
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  larger breasts over a long period of time.
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  And that absolutely can't be done with hypnotherapy.
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  But so so you're saying that it can essentially be done on a on
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  a short time scale? Yeah, I think most people have
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  had the experience of having a physical reaction by something
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  happening in their mind. They might be very anxious about
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  something and their heart, you know, starts beating faster.
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  They might feel tension in their gut.
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  So there is mind body connection, absolutely.
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  But whether or not that can actually kind of change the size
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  of of a female's breast permanently, no, it can't.
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  Because you mentioned there about about ethics and it's kind
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  of the first thing that came to my mind when I saw it.
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  So I was like, was that really ethical to be, to be doing that
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  kind of stuff, really. If it might be bait and switch,
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  so it might be saying hey, I can do this thing and then when you
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  have the client in front of you, you say actually what you really
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  want is high self esteem and high confidence.
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  That's still unethical, but less unethical than actually
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  convincing someone that they can have bigger breasts and then
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  not. That would be absolutely.
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  Deceitful. I know hundreds of
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  hypnotherapists and I've seen over 1000 clients and I don't
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  know a single one that's used hypnotherapy to change a woman's
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  breast size. I do know lots of
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  hypnotherapists that have helped people with weight loss and
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  quitting smoking and phobias and confidence and anxiety.
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  If. Hypnosis could really change a
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  woman's breast size permanently. Lots of hypnotherapy
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  hypnotherapist would do that because it would be very
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  lucrative and and they're not. Yeah, which which tells its own
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  story in a way. Really.
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  So. So someone like Zach Polanski,
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  is he, is he a bit of a laughing stock in the profession or or
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  not really? He's not known in the
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  profession. You know, I, I speak at all the
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  conferences. I have a popular hypnosis
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  podcast. I know most of the
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  hypnotherapists. I've never heard of him as a
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  hypnotherapist. So, you know, he was on in
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  Harley Street. Anyone can kind of book hours in
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  Harley Street. It's not as impressive as it
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  used to be 30 years ago. So I would say maybe he was a
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  hypnotherapist, but reputationally I'm I'm not aware
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  of him. I'm going to ask you a question
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  now. So can you have to trust a
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  therapist in a sense, politically, How do we know, You
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  know, when it comes to Question Time or these debates that we're
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  going to get, you know, is he staring down the camera trying
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  to influence us all using subtle techniques or not?
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  I would say all politicians probably would make fairly good
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  hypnotherapist because it's using communication to influence
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  at A at a conscious or subconscious level sound bites
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  or hypnotic suggestions. So I I think if he's a good
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  hypnotherapist and an ethical hypnotherapist, he might make a
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  good politician. But I would say if he uses that
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  power for the wrong reasons, then yeah, unethical.
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  I've been sitting opposite you for a little while now and I can
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  say it was there's certainly no chance my breasts have got any
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  bigger, so thank you very much. I'd like to be joined by a real
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  life hypnotist, Adam Cox. Adam, welcome to the show.
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  Let's go straight to the chase. Can't.
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  Is it? Possible for a hypnotist to make
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  people's breasts bigger? Or is it all a storm and AD cup?
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  Storm and AD Cup. It's false.
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  It's absolutely false. If there is.
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  A lot of evidence that hypnotherapy can be very, very
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  powerful and impactful in things like weight loss, in terms of
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  phobias, in terms of anxiety and sleep and pain.
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  There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that hypnosis can
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  help enlarge a woman's breasts. That is a misconception.
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  So you're saying that Zach Polanski has committed a major?
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  Boo Boo. A big Boo Boo, I think.
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  Some hypnotherapists get overly enthusiastic with what hypnosis
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  can do, and every now and then hypnotherapists will make
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  exaggerated claims either because they're so optimistic or
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  hopeful as to the wonderful things that it can do.
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  But I would say. That if hypnotherapy could help
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  women enlarge their breasts. There are thousands of
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  hypnotherapists around the the, the UK and the world.
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  Lots of hypnotherapists would be doing it.
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  They're not, because it doesn't work.
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  So presumably if it did work, ever it was, we'll be strolling
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  around ample of bosom and people like you'll be retiring to the
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  Caribbean. Absolutely.
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  And I think lots of people know that cosmetic surgeons make a
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  lot of money because there are a lot of people that are
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  dissatisfied with their bodies. But that money goes to cosmetic
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  surgeons, it doesn't go to hypnotherapists.
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  Now if a person wants to improve their confidence or their self
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  esteem, a hypnotherapist is a good choice.
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  If they've got body dysmorphia, which many people that crave
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  cosmetic surgery you know have, again, hypnotherapy can help
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  with that. It just cannot help change the
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  biology. Hypnosis can change beliefs, it
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  cannot change biology. OK, Adam Cox, that's superb.
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  Thank you for helping us keep abreast of all current affairs.
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  Appreciate your time, Adam Cox now.
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  Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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  Hypnotist, I'm joined by a guest hypnotist to talk about a topic
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  which some consider quite controversial.
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  I'm joined today by Rob Degrooof.
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  Rob, welcome. Hello guys.
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  Good to good to have you on the show again.
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  I think it was around about a year ago, we last had you on the
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  show just in the run up to the Irish hypnotherapy and you were
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  talking about energy and, and, and I saw your presentation and
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  I'm going to pronounce it wrong, Ki Jong.
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  Qigong. Hypno Qigong.
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  Qigong and fantastic presentation and, and, and that
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  morning I kind of did that kind of workshop with you and I felt,
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  I felt amazing. So for those people that aren't
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  familiar with Rob, can you give us a bit of an intro to you?
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  Yeah, so I'm, I'm Rob is actually how you pronounce my my
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  last name. But in in the the English
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  speaking world, they always pronounce it like the groove.
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  So but I'm from Belgium. I live also in Belgium and I
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  also live in Bulgaria. I travel a lot teaching
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  hypnosis, speaking at conferences and I have a
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  hypnosis center in Belgium. So I'm, I'm actually leading a
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  team of hypnotherapist in Belgium there and they have
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  practices in different cities in the Flemish speaking part of
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  Belgium. So I still see clients, but only
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  online anymore because I am travelling too much.
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  And at the moment I'm also in Bulgaria.
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  So after this podcast, I have a client, but an online client.
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  I, I teach in Belgium, in my school in Belgium.
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  There I train newbies, people who wants to become a
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  hypnotherapist. When I travel, it's more master
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  classes for, for seasoned hypnotherapist teaching the
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  Jeffrey Stevens protocol, for example, Jeffrey was my mentor.
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  When he died, his family asked me to keep his legacy alive.
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  So that's one of the trainings that I do regularly when
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  travelling. And of course I have my own
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  protocols and and systems. And recently I'm working on that
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  hypno Qigong thing that you just mentioned that we talked about
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  in the in the previous episode that we recorded.
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  So yeah, that's, that's actually what I'm doing.
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  I'm, I'm creating a lot. I'm, I'm a creative thinker and
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  that's for me really important. I'm not a guy who wants to do
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  like I used to do that like 5-6 sessions a day for five days a
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  week. That's not my thing.
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  I like to stay in in touch with the clients and, and still see
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  clients, but I don't want to be the, the just the therapist and
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  just doing sessions. I have members in my team who
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  are interested in just doing the sessions and then not the
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  marketing, not not building new stuff or writing books.
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  So they do do that. And I, I run the business and I
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  I teach a lot and and create a lot.
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  Perfect. Well, good, good to have that
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  recap for, for everyone that either Khan hasn't, you know,
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  been aware of you before. The main conversation we're
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  going to be having today is something controversial because
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  I've been invited on national TVA couple of times to talk
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  about a a British politician. He's the head of the the Green
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  Party, which is kind of more on there on the left.
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  And he used to be a hypnotherapist, you know, over
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  10 years ago. And there was a bit of
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  controversy around him because one of the national newspapers
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  in the UK, The Sun, asked him to do some hypnotic breast
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  enlargement as part of a, an article in the newspaper.
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  He did that and now he's a politician.
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  The right wing kind of media are kind of bashing him with that
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  because it seems a little bit either unethical or implausible.
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  And on a couple of occasions where I've kind of shared my
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  social media clip of me being on TV, the vast majority of people
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  are saying, you know, quite right, this is nonsense, you
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  can't do this. But there's some people
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  including yourself, which I actually really respect and and
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  know our credible hypnotherapist that say, hold on a minute.
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  Actually, the research can suggest that there are certain
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  changes. Now from the outset, because
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  I've not really done too much of the of the research, My
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  perception is that if there is any research, it's highly likely
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  to show something temporary, maybe hormonal based or maybe a
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  placebo based. Because if as we know with
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  hypnosis, you give someone the suggestion, right, I'm going to
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  measure you again. We're going to see the
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  difference. If you're measuring breast with
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  circumference, they could take a deeper breath in.
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  It might be slightly larger than than before.
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  That was my perception. But like I said, I've not really
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  done the research. But it seemed like you have done
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  a bit of research and looked at some studies in the 70s.
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  What does the research say when it comes to using hypnosis for
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  breast enlargement? Yeah.
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  So what I actually did, I was, I was using this example in my
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  basic trainings when I was, there's always the question,
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  what can you do with hypnosis? And then I obviously I sum up
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  all the normal things like stop smoking, stress release and so
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  on and so on. The weight loss and I always
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  ended with and breast enlargement.
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  And then they start laughing and because I make a lot of jokes
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  while I'm teaching. So for me it's more a
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  performance than teaching. So they were just laughing and I
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  said, no, no guys, there is some research done that's actually
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  possible. And the question always came,
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  have you ever done it yourself? And I was, no, to be honest,
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  not. Do you have a protocol for this?
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  No, not. I don't know how they did it.
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  I just know there is some research about it.
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  And then one time I made a promise that once I hired an
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  extra therapist because I was actually planning to, to hire an
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  extra therapist for my team so I could have more time off to do
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  things like that, to research things like that.
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  So I promised the the moment I have a new one and I can lower
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  on my, my amount of sessions a week, that's the first thing
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  that I'm going to, to do some research on.
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  So what I actually did and I, I already had seen the
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  presentation and I think it was at one of Anthony's conferences,
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  the hat hacking ones with Felix Econominakis, he did a
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  presentation on breast enlargement.
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  And he was quite known in the UK for breast enlargement.
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  But he had a bit the same issue that, that the newspapers were
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  only interested in the breast enlargement.
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  And he became like he said, he was becoming the boob guy and he
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  didn't want that because he has so many other topics that he
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  works on and, and yeah, that are maybe more valuable for him as
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  a, as a therapist. So I saw his presentation on on
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  a replay. I was not at that actual
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  conference and I start doing my, my own research before I
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  actually had access to the, the, the research.
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  I, I, I know there was some 5 papers published in the 70s.
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  I had not the full research, but I had the excerpts of the
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  research. So I start doing my own and what
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  I actually did, I asked for women in all different age
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  categories because one of the things that I remembered from
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  Felix presentation was that he had very good results, but until
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  the age of 40 years old. So I wanted to see what that.
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  So for me it started at 18 plus of course.
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  So I had women in different age categories and apart from one,
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  they all had results. So these days they got these
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  were just people getting free sessions.
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  So I didn't charge anything. I just, some of them were, were
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  students, some of them had no experience with hypnosis.
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  So were brand new clients actually first time they were
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  hypnotized and the way that I did, it was a first session,
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  then they need to listen to recordings and then we had a
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  second session and they had to do like monthly measurements to
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  to see what was going on. We were measuring different
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  things. So like, yeah, of course the
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  breast size. And, but also waist size and
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  also they had to, to write down their, their, their weight
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  because of course, let's say in, in over a month and they gained
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  10 kilograms. Yeah, then it's normal that the
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  breasts will, will follow as well.
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  So I want I wanted to be sure that it was not a weight loss
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  or, or a weight gain that was affecting the results of of the
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  OR the size of the breast. And one thing that I also asked
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  them to note down, I'm not sure that I did it did that from the
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  beginning. I wanted them to note down when,
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  when they had their period because and at the end.
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  So only one was no result and all the all the others they had
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  the maximum was 1.5 cup size in, in growth.
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  Yeah. And the The funny thing actually
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  was that the one that was in the age category 40 to 50, she had
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  the best, the best results. So my my experience and I
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  afterwards I start working with paying clients, of course, my
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  experience is that it still can be done when they are above 40,
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  even when they hit the menopause.
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  It's a bit more tricky than, but it's, it's still doable.
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  One thing that came out from my my research or from my test
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  sessions, actually, I prefer to call it more my, my.
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  It was actually, I used these sessions to create my protocol
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  That was it was not an an official research.
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  Of course, one thing that came out was that because I'm also
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  addressing the hormonal system that I needed to ask upfront
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  that they had any issues with endometriosis because with one
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  of the, the, the, actually the one in the, in the age category
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  40 to 50, by addressing the subconscious mind to make
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  changes, she got pain again in the, so the endometriosis kicked
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  in again. So she came back like 3 days
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  later because it was somebody I knew closely.
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  So she contacted me immediately. We just did a quick session to
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  inform the subconscious mind, hey, make all those changes that
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  you need to make in the hormones and everything, but not not
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  affecting the endometriosis. And then the pain was gone
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  immediately. So from then on, I asked a bit
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  more questions from the background to see that and I
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  changed a bit of wording while addressing the subconscious mind
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  for creating the changes for for the breast increase.
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  The good thing actually, what I find that's also what I what
• 22:51
  I've written in my book about the breast enlargement is that I
• 22:54
  only got access to the, the actual research.
• 22:57
  I found three of the papers. I actually found the complete
• 23:01
  papers and the things what, what, what the the results were
• 23:07
  almost similar with my results. So the the approaches were a bit
• 23:12
  different, but not not all that. Of course they were they were
• 23:16
  using also audio in most of them.
• 23:18
  They were also using audio as well in one and those I found
• 23:23
  that really funny. Actually in one they had a
• 23:25
  control group. So in the one, so they they were
• 23:30
  hypnotizing a group of people and one group got the actual
• 23:36
  suggestions about breast enlargement and another group
• 23:39
  was just hypnotized without any suggestions about breast
• 23:42
  enlargement. So that was a control group to,
• 23:46
  to prove that it was not the hypnosis doing it, but the
• 23:48
  suggestions doing it. So I, I found that really funny
• 23:51
  because normally in, in hypnosis, there's no control
• 23:54
  group because, yeah, they know that whether they are hypnotized
• 23:57
  or not. So, but in that control group,
• 23:59
  they just didn't give any suggestions about breast
• 24:01
  enlargements. And of course they didn't have
• 24:03
  any increase. And that the group that got the
• 24:06
  suggestions got increase. And one of the things that I,
• 24:09
  that I also found really special in the research that I, that
• 24:13
  I've, that I've done myself and the one that I read is in one,
• 24:19
  they did some follow up as well in, in the other two, there is
• 24:23
  there's not much follow up, follow up.
• 24:25
  But what I also had in my results and not only with my
• 24:30
  test group, but also with my clients, is that the moment,
• 24:33
  because after a while when the breasts are at the regular, at
• 24:36
  the size that they want or, or when there's no growth anymore,
• 24:41
  they don't need to listen to the recording on a daily basis
• 24:44
  anymore, of course, because that's not doable.
• 24:46
  After mostly I say like it's one month, they get a second
• 24:50
  recording and in that month, if we have the result, they can
• 24:54
  just stop listening to the recording.
• 24:57
  And that the same results came in that research after that,
• 25:03
  when there's no suggestions anymore, when the hypnosis is
• 25:06
  done, when the protocol or the program is done, the breast
• 25:12
  increase will stay for 80%. So 20% will go away because
• 25:18
  they're not listening or they're not repetitive listening to the
• 25:22
  recordings anymore. But 80% of the breast growth
• 25:26
  will stay. So that's the result that came
• 25:29
  out of that research. But I see that with my clients
• 25:32
  as well. So with the clients afterwards.
• 25:37
  So with the test group, I had one with no results and with the
• 25:43
  test group, no, with the with the clients, I had a one or one
• 25:48
  one. She was actually a client from
• 25:50
  one of my students. I took her over and but yeah,
• 25:55
  no, I couldn't even get any result with her.
• 25:59
  And then there was another. And this is this is a really
• 26:02
  special story whenever I do a present, because I did some
• 26:07
  presentations, I did one in Australia, I think it's on
• 26:10
  YouTube about this. And I think I did one at 1
• 26:15
  conventions in Europe as well. Or no, it was an online one.
• 26:20
  When people ask me for the results and especially after I
• 26:25
  did the research, I always I make a little joke and that joke
• 26:29
  came right back at me actually. So I made it.
• 26:32
  I always made a joke of my test group.
• 26:36
  All of them had a good result apart from 1 apart from one and
• 26:40
  there was another one and she only had growth in one breast
• 26:44
  because she only listened to the recordings half of the time.
• 26:46
  That was my joke. Now what happened a few years
• 26:50
  ago I was working with a client and she sends me an e-mail after
• 26:57
  like 3 weeks. I ask feedback and she sends me
• 27:01
  an e-mail and she says Rob something really funny is
• 27:04
  happening. Only one breast is growing.
• 27:08
  And I was like oh this is this is not happening.
• 27:10
  This is not not So actually my joke came true.
• 27:16
  So I immediately called her and I said, can you come to my
• 27:18
  office because I really want to know what's going on here.
• 27:22
  So she came to my office and we start doing some digging and
• 27:26
  some some some swarming and us talking with the subconscious
• 27:29
  mind. And what happened the moment
• 27:33
  when, when she was a teenager and she starts developing
• 27:37
  breasts and the, the time came that she had, she needed her
• 27:42
  first bra. She went with her mother to to
• 27:45
  the shop. And it was years ago.
• 27:49
  So in that time, some, in some shops, they were still measuring
• 27:54
  and, and, and fitting the the first bra actually.
• 27:58
  So and all women have different sizes in left and right breasts.
• 28:04
  But normally it's not it's it's even not visible.
• 28:07
  But and with her, apparently it was visible even when when she
• 28:11
  was developing the breast and the lady who was doing the
• 28:15
  measurement was quite bold and then said quite like it came in
• 28:22
  hard in her in her subconscious mind.
• 28:25
  Like Miss your, your daughter has two different breast sides
• 28:29
  and and 1 is really bigger than the other, something like that.
• 28:32
  So that was installed in her subconscious mind and I had to
• 28:37
  remove that. And the moment that was removed,
• 28:40
  the breast starts growing equally.
• 28:43
  So it was. So there was a remark, just a
• 28:47
  remark. And that's something that with
• 28:51
  most of the women that we worked with, I always ask a bit of
• 28:55
  information about. Did you get when your breast
• 29:01
  starts growing? Did you get remarks from from
• 29:03
  people? Sometimes it's just a crazy
• 29:07
  uncle giving remarks about oh, you're getting a woman now, Oh,
• 29:10
  you get boobies, things like that.
• 29:12
  Things happen and and they are young vulnerable girls at that
• 29:15
  moment. So most of the time there is
• 29:18
  something that actually blocked the actual growth of the
• 29:22
  breasts. So if they already have they
• 29:27
  breast, if they already have like breasts that are normal
• 29:32
  size for their body, then the chance that that we will get
• 29:37
  some more growth with hypnosis is lower than when they have
• 29:41
  smaller breasts than actually what could be the right side for
• 29:45
  their body. Then there is probably something
• 29:47
  that blocked the, the growth of the breast to to the full
• 29:53
  possible growth that they could be.
• 29:56
  So going from from somebody who has like a slim figure and has
• 30:02
  already AC cup. And then she asked me to go to
• 30:06
  AD cup or, or even bigger. It's probably not going to work
• 30:10
  because the way that I, that I address it to the subconscious
• 30:15
  mind is that I, I asked the subconscious mind to do it on a
• 30:19
  safe, a Safeway, of course, a healthy way and, and, and that
• 30:24
  it's possible in, in what way whatsoever.
• 30:27
  So there is, there is never like a guarantee that the
• 30:30
  subconscious mind will do it. We will see.
• 30:34
  Sometimes the growth is only what, what I also, and, and I
• 30:38
  have a video testimonial of one of the, the, the girls, actually
• 30:43
  the one, because in my book, stop it.
• 30:45
  There are some pictures before and after pictures and that's
• 30:48
  the same girl. And what she always also saying
• 30:53
  in the video is that for some women, she her breasts were
• 30:57
  increased. But what was what was most
• 31:00
  important for her was that the breast had actually the, the,
• 31:04
  the, the, the size and the shape and the firmness like she
• 31:11
  imagined in the hypnosis. So they were exactly like she
• 31:15
  wanted them to be. And that was that was for some
• 31:18
  women, that's even more important than that.
• 31:21
  They're actually growing. So they will grow.
• 31:25
  But for, for a lot of people, it's also the shape and, and how
• 31:29
  they look and how they, they firmness and things like that.
• 31:33
  So it's possible. But most of the time what I see
• 31:38
  is that there is something in their teenage years that is
• 31:43
  blocking or or that was blocking the the the the body to, to you
• 31:50
  have to to make the growth complete.
• 31:52
  Let me say it like that. Yeah.
• 31:54
  So if I'm, if I'm hearing that right, the the perception is
• 31:58
  that there was some kind of suppression of their natural
• 32:00
  breast size and you're you're removing whatever that block
• 32:04
  was. And that might be early
• 32:06
  embarrassment or self consciousness or something like
• 32:09
  that. And then when that goes it and
• 32:11
  and it's your. Belief sexual abuse, sexual
• 32:14
  abuse is also one of the because it's a bit like like what what
• 32:18
  happens if girls and they actually suffer from sexual
• 32:23
  abuse? But but also just some, some,
• 32:27
  some remarks can do the job. It's actually a bit of like a
• 32:31
  protection system because breasts, of course they have
• 32:35
  they have their goal. Yeah, to to it's it's to make
• 32:39
  women more feminine and more sexy and and more attractive and
• 32:43
  and the mind can block that as a protection to OK, we don't want
• 32:49
  that attention anymore from guys giving remarks.
• 32:52
  So maybe we better block off and and make sure that the breasts
• 32:55
  stay stay small. So that's something that that
• 32:58
  happens. It's not it's not in every not
• 33:01
  every single client that I work with had something happening in
• 33:06
  the in the in the past, but most of the time.
• 33:10
  And we when we remove that The thing is I don't use regression,
• 33:13
  as you probably know that I'm not a big fan of of regression
• 33:17
  when it's needed, it's needed, but most of the times it's not.
• 33:21
  So I'm not going to dig in. I'm just going to to give the
• 33:24
  subconscious mind like, hey, we start with a clean slate now,
• 33:29
  you know, maybe you did maybe you did something in the past,
• 33:32
  but it's no need anymore. But I'm not going to dig in.
• 33:34
  And, and to see what, what, what, what, what was the actual
• 33:38
  cause of it. I'm not really interested in
• 33:40
  that. I'm interested in in the result
• 33:42
  in the future that that's what I am.
• 33:44
  That's the way that I work. And I've, I've seen a lot with
• 33:47
  weight loss clients where maybe they were targeted, you know, as
• 33:51
  a teenager, they were slim. And then there's a perception
• 33:55
  that, oh, OK, I was, I was targeted because I was slim.
• 33:58
  And therefore they gain weight as a protective mechanism.
• 34:01
  So I can understand the logic of that.
• 34:03
  And, and it's your perception that when the when the hypnosis
• 34:06
  is given, when the suggestions are given, is it, is it that
• 34:11
  breast tissue is forming or that there's a hormonal change?
• 34:14
  What? What what makes?
• 34:15
  Them it's it's a bit of boat and So what what we found in and
• 34:21
  that's why I start asking them to to write down when they had
• 34:26
  their period. So what I found is when women
• 34:29
  are in their period, the breasts will are always a bit more firm,
• 34:33
  are a bit more even growing a bit.
• 34:35
  And what what we found is that when the moment they get the
• 34:39
  suggestions, the moment, because it's not only suggestion,
• 34:42
  there's a lot of visualization as well.
• 34:45
  And I also put them in one of the things that I always ask is,
• 34:49
  is in what type of situations would you would you feel better
• 34:54
  with with bigger breasts? Some, a lot of, a lot of one
• 34:58
  common thing that that always comes is, oh, then I can dress
• 35:01
  up more nicely. I can wear dresses with some
• 35:04
  more cleavage and things like that.
• 35:05
  So that that's what I, what I also had a bit of future pacing.
• 35:10
  See yourself with that nice dress going to a reception or a
• 35:13
  prisoner or, or or a meeting, whatever, or a dance.
• 35:17
  So, and it starts from, from getting prepared, taking a
• 35:21
  shower, like getting prepared for going out wearing that nice
• 35:25
  dress. So it's not only the
• 35:27
  suggestions, it's a lot of visualization as well.
• 35:31
  And what I, what the direct suggestions that I'm giving is
• 35:35
  the, the subconscious mind to make the blood flow and, and,
• 35:38
  and the building up the, the, the breast tissue.
• 35:41
  But what we saw is that the moment they have their period,
• 35:45
  the breast grow and instead of the moment the period is is
• 35:50
  over, it's back, it's going back to the normal size, it just
• 35:55
  stays and the next month again and again.
• 35:59
  And that's, that's actually what's happening.
• 36:01
  So because, and that's one of the things that that because a
• 36:05
  lot of a lot of women and then there's there's actually more
• 36:08
  demand for, for I can't get on the word in English now,
• 36:14
  decreasing, decreasing breast size.
• 36:17
  There's, there's much more demand for and every time when
• 36:21
  I, when I do a talk like this or a presentation on, on this
• 36:23
  topic, the question comes from the room from, from women.
• 36:27
  Hey, can you, can you also decrease breast size?
• 36:30
  Because I have back pain because my, my, my breasts are too big
• 36:35
  and, and, and, and it's affecting me.
• 36:36
  I can't, I can't run things like that.
• 36:41
  And there's no research done on that.
• 36:44
  You find some some hypnotists selling recordings for that, but
• 36:50
  I'm I'm not sure that that's I am.
• 36:52
  I'm actually a bit the same like you.
• 36:54
  I don't believe those things unless I I've I've done it
• 36:57
  myself. I had the same with Prest
• 36:59
  enlargement. I was also a non believer.
• 37:02
  I want to see it. I want to to do it myself,
• 37:05
  create something and then then see the result with my own eyes.
• 37:09
  And so with the, the breast and I actually, I had planned some
• 37:14
  research on that, but then COVID came and I had other things to
• 37:17
  do. But the breast decreasing, I'm
• 37:20
  not sure that that is going to be that easy because breast
• 37:26
  growth is natural when when women are pregnant, the breasts
• 37:29
  are growing when they when they're on their period, the
• 37:32
  breasts are getting bigger. So the body knows how to do
• 37:35
  that. The decreasing when there's
• 37:38
  nothing, I'm not sure that that will work in the same way, but
• 37:43
  I'm still planning to do some, some tests and research on that
• 37:47
  because I know there is much more demand for, for that.
• 37:53
  So we will see, but there's no research.
• 37:56
  There's nothing that I can refer to or or read about before that
• 38:00
  I start. So, and a question that I that I
• 38:03
  got a lot from men is does this also work for for penis
• 38:07
  enlargement? Again, not sure because this is
• 38:13
  not thing I'm in my opinion is that it will not work because
• 38:19
  it's not a normal thing. It's not like like I said with
• 38:24
  women's breasts when they're pregnant, when they're on their
• 38:26
  period, they grow, but I don't see the same same thing
• 38:32
  happening with with with men. So, So I'm not sure that it's
• 38:36
  possible. Again, there are some recordings
• 38:39
  that you can buy for penis enlargement, but again, I'm not
• 38:43
  sure that that's actually going to work.
• 38:45
  So for this for me, once, once I start start reading about it,
• 38:50
  when I start working and, and creating the protocol myself and
• 38:53
  doing the test, after a while for me it made sense.
• 38:56
  It was like, OK, but that's something the body can do.
• 38:59
  So why not if you, if you read books like like your the placebo
• 39:06
  from Jodie Spencer, he mentions a lot of of research that's done
• 39:11
  with athletes with, with, with piano players with, with.
• 39:15
  But, but one of the things that I refer to also in my when I
• 39:18
  when I work with my golf players is there is some, some research
• 39:23
  done that where people are lifting weights, that when you
• 39:28
  have the group actually lifting the weights and you have the
• 39:30
  group just visualizing it, that they almost have the same muscle
• 39:37
  gain as the ones that the. So the ones actually lifting the
• 39:42
  weights and the ones visualizing it, they almost have the same
• 39:46
  increase in muscles because of the, the fact that that your
• 39:50
  brain doesn't know whether you're actually doing it or
• 39:53
  you're just imagining it. So that's also it's muscle gain.
• 39:58
  So breast tissue, it's muscles. They're, they're because the,
• 40:02
  it's actually the supporting muscles that are, that are
• 40:06
  growing the breast tissue, of course.
• 40:09
  So one, one thing that that a lot of the, the feedback that I
• 40:14
  get from a lot of the women is ones day we, we start giving the
• 40:18
  suggestions and especially when they start listening to the
• 40:21
  recordings. They feel also like sensations
• 40:24
  in their breasts. They feel blood flowing there.
• 40:27
  They feel it can be just a thing in their mind.
• 40:30
  But for me it's actually it's not that big of an importance
• 40:34
  whether it's it's the just they they imagining that that there
• 40:37
  is some some sensations as long as the result is there.
• 40:42
  So that's. And I guess in in the animal
• 40:46
  Kingdom you you see this on. I've seen a few documentaries of
• 40:51
  very hierarchical, let's say animal groups, so gorillas or,
• 40:56
  or kind of lions. And the moment that a new alpha
• 41:00
  becomes, let's say head of the, the pride head of the head of
• 41:04
  the the group, they become bigger like, and they're eating
• 41:11
  the same food. And then but it's almost kind of
• 41:13
  like something switches and whether it's epigenetics or
• 41:16
  whatever it is, but effectively they became larger to align with
• 41:20
  their new role within that that group.
• 41:23
  You also see this in in prisons, sometimes very aggressive
• 41:26
  prisons actually, there isn't enough calories and protein for
• 41:30
  the guys to get big. So but because there's almost
• 41:34
  like a need to be stronger, there must be like a
• 41:37
  testosterone kind of shift that kind of takes place in that.
• 41:40
  So I can see how body shape can change in certain things.
• 41:45
  One of my points that I made when I was being interviewed on
• 41:48
  this is that if it was so permanent, reliable and
• 41:53
  predictable, given how much money is made in the cosmetic
• 41:57
  surgery industry and, and and and all of this, why don't we
• 42:00
  see more hypnotherapists offering it like we do with
• 42:03
  weight loss, like we do with smoking cessation, like it seems
• 42:06
  like with market forces? If it was such an effective
• 42:09
  protocol, why don't we see it more often?
• 42:14
  There's a reason for. One of the reasons is that it
• 42:19
  depends a bit on what you want to do.
• 42:20
  If you only want to do that type of sessions, then it's OK.
• 42:25
  Then you can just put yourself out there and say hey, I can do
• 42:32
  breast enlargement. Marketing wise there is an issue
• 42:36
  because none of the platforms allow marketing for this type of
• 42:41
  sessions. So even when I did my, I wanted
• 42:48
  to, to, to reach out more and and then just make a Facebook
• 42:51
  advertisement about because I wanted to to do like a
• 42:56
  researcher that just questionnaire and I wanted to
• 42:59
  make a Facebook ad and was not allowed because you can only the
• 43:04
  moment that you say breast enlargement, it can only lead to
• 43:07
  surgery. Only thing that they will allow.
• 43:11
  Same with Google. So that's one of the reasons,
• 43:14
  but the big the, the, the, the biggest reason for me is you
• 43:19
  will not find that on my website, on my hypnotherapy
• 43:22
  website. So the hypnosis center website,
• 43:25
  it mentions a lot of things that we can do with hypnosis, but not
• 43:28
  breast enlargement. And for me, how do I get my
• 43:33
  clients? I don't market it.
• 43:34
  I, I get clients by doing things like this talk.
• 43:38
  I, I, I don't hide it. For me, I don't hide it.
• 43:41
  It's in my book, but even a lot of hypnotists like yourself are
• 43:50
  like, no, no, this is this is this is probably because they
• 43:54
  don't know the background. They don't know what it is.
• 43:56
  I was the same. I was the same and, and
• 43:58
  sometimes I sometimes I see things.
• 44:01
  For me, I changed during the 15 years.
• 44:04
  Now that I'm that I'm in this business, before those 15 years,
• 44:08
  I probably wouldn't believe anything from, I say it a lot to
• 44:11
  my students, 80% of what I'm what I'm explaining here or
• 44:17
  stories that I'm telling here, I would not believe them myself.
• 44:21
  15 years ago, I would say, yeah, right.
• 44:24
  So, so, but I've seen so many things happening with diagnosis.
• 44:27
  But again, I want to to see it myself.
• 44:30
  I, I once read something about that you can change the color of
• 44:34
  your eyes with diagnosis. OK, not sure didn't see any
• 44:40
  research, but it's out there. You, you see it in some in some
• 44:44
  books even you see it that you can change the color of the eyes
• 44:47
  with diagnosis. OK, maybe.
• 44:49
  But I will not say it's not possible.
• 44:51
  But I will also not say it's possible because I didn't do it
• 44:54
  myself. And I actually don't see the
• 44:56
  point in doing things like that. But OK.
• 45:01
  But I don't put it on my website.
• 45:04
  I don't, I don't market it because of the the reasons that
• 45:08
  I can't use Facebook advertisement, can't use any,
• 45:11
  any Google Adwords on it. So, so people will find me and I
• 45:16
  have, I have clients for that all around the world.
• 45:20
  They find me with the presentation that I did in
• 45:23
  Australia that's still running on YouTube.
• 45:26
  So things like that, they run on YouTube, but it and some people
• 45:30
  contact me and referrals of course.
• 45:34
  And that's the way I get clients.
• 45:35
  So it's not, it's not something that you can build a big
• 45:38
  business on. The other thing is, and and I
• 45:41
  think that's also really important is when they have the
• 45:46
  surgery, they are sure they come out with bigger breasts when
• 45:51
  they do the hypnosis session. The same like with weight loss,
• 45:54
  of course, virtual gastric band, when you, when you have the
• 45:57
  surgery, you're sure that you will lose weight.
• 46:00
  Not, not with everybody. Sometimes they also have issues
• 46:03
  when, but even when they have the surgery.
• 46:05
  But when you have breast surgery, you will come out with
• 46:07
  bigger breasts. That's, that's, that's a given
• 46:10
  with the hypnosis. There's always a chance that
• 46:12
  it's not going to work. So I there's no guarantee with
• 46:15
  with with that. Yes, it's less.
• 46:17
  It's less. One of the things and I guess.
• 46:19
  It's longer as well because if if you're saying it's the
• 46:22
  menstruation that is the catalyst for growth, it's going
• 46:26
  to take place over months and then.
• 46:28
  Yeah, it's not like it's not like this, of course, no.
• 46:31
  Yeah, and I guess that would be the difference between
• 46:33
  liposuction and hypnosis for weight loss.
• 46:35
  Like it takes place over how long the period?
• 46:38
  Yeah, it can. It can take a while for the
• 46:40
  breasts to grow. There is there is always a
• 46:43
  chance that well that they will not reach their actual goal.
• 46:47
  Because what I always try to do is not, not to make it like
• 46:53
  impossible. So I always say 1 cup size to
• 46:57
  1.5. That's what we're aiming for.
• 47:01
  So I'm not going from an A to to AC or something that, that just,
• 47:05
  you know, maybe, maybe later we can build on.
• 47:08
  But, but most of the time when they have like a clear goal in
• 47:12
  mind and it's doable, then they will.
• 47:15
  But it's possible that they, let's say they want to get from
• 47:19
  an A to AB plus or something and, and, and they will already
• 47:24
  reach the B. It's possible because with
• 47:27
  everything that I do, I always give the direct suggestion to
• 47:33
  the subconscious mind. Do whatever is best and most
• 47:35
  healthier for that person. I'm not going to push it to now
• 47:40
  with, with surgery, you can go from an A to AC or A or AD or A
• 47:44
  or an F or whatever. So that's one of one of the
• 47:48
  reasons, of course, it's much more safer than surgery.
• 47:50
  So that's one of the things that that you could market on.
• 47:54
  But again, then you have to do it with, with only putting
• 47:58
  yourself out there. And, and The thing is also the
• 48:01
  reason why it's not on my website is because when even
• 48:06
  when you even have to convince hypnotherapist that it works.
• 48:10
  Just imagine a regular client going to your website for weight
• 48:14
  loss or or stop smoking or a phobia or maybe a bigger a
• 48:18
  bigger issue. And then they are scrolling and
• 48:21
  they see breast enlargement. For me personally, when when I'm
• 48:25
  not educated, I would say no way.
• 48:28
  Not that guy that's. That's you would make it would
• 48:32
  be an inverse Halo effect. You would, it would tarnish the
• 48:35
  credibility of all the other things that they're, they're
• 48:37
  competent in. And, and I think, I think that
• 48:39
  is the, my thoughts on it is that element of in the same way
• 48:44
  that, you know, you can see things being sold in the world
• 48:49
  like penis enlargement pills. OK.
• 48:52
  Is that because the pills work or is it because there's a huge
• 48:55
  amount of men that want to have bigger penises?
• 48:58
  Probably because the market is there, not because the pills
• 49:01
  work. So given that there are these
• 49:04
  things, it risks looking unethical.
• 49:08
  And I think this is what's happening with this politician,
• 49:11
  but I've not done too much digging.
• 49:13
  But my perception is that there's a hypnotherapist and,
• 49:16
  and I've been invited by various media channels to say, oh, we've
• 49:20
  got we've got a case study on this like gaming addiction.
• 49:23
  Can you speak to them? So it might be that they reached
• 49:25
  out to him and they said, look, we'd love to do an article on,
• 49:28
  on breast enlargement for hypnosis.
• 49:30
  He's like, OK, I'm, I'm aspiring hypnotherapist.
• 49:33
  I'll do that, you know, And then years later, he's being punished
• 49:36
  for, for kind of being curious and kind of experimental because
• 49:40
  it sounds, it sounds, you know, extreme exaggerated.
• 49:46
  There's one of the, one of the things that, that I had it a few
• 49:50
  years ago, I was contacted by the, by the justice system in
• 49:54
  Belgium to do some forensic hypnosis.
• 49:58
  Because I, the, the way that, that they came in contact with
• 50:01
  me is, well, I, I know a guy who's, who's head of the police
• 50:06
  in a, in a, in a big city and I, I helped him with hypnosis.
• 50:12
  I helped his daughter with hypnosis.
• 50:14
  And he heard that they had an issue with finding a
• 50:17
  hypnotherapist for doing those forensic hypnosis sessions.
• 50:20
  So they, they contacted me. Now the, the police was
• 50:25
  interested to work with me. I already told them, Hey, I'm
• 50:28
  travelling a lot. So I will, I will train one of
• 50:31
  my therapist as well. So because I'm not always there.
• 50:35
  So, so you always have somebody and then after like like 2
• 50:39
  weeks, they came back with the news.
• 50:42
  Yeah. We're not allowed to hire you
• 50:44
  because because you're not a doctor, you're not a
• 50:47
  psychiatrist, you're not medically trained.
• 50:51
  We don't we, we believe in you. We know and we need you
• 50:55
  actually. But the what, what, and, and I,
• 51:00
  I totally understand what the, what the, the Justice
• 51:03
  Department, because the police has to, to agree with the, the
• 51:06
  prosecutor and the, so the prosecutor was agreed, but the
• 51:10
  prosecutor general, the big chief from all the, the justice
• 51:14
  departments in Belgium, he didn't allow it.
• 51:17
  And they had a quite valid reason because I'm not a doctor,
• 51:22
  I don't have credentials. And they say and, and that the,
• 51:28
  the, the lawsuits in Belgium, especially the, the big ones
• 51:32
  with murders and things like that, that the lawyers, they are
• 51:36
  watching a lot of the American TV shows and, and one of the
• 51:42
  first things that they do, they don't mind about the hypnosis.
• 51:46
  They just attack the guy who's sitting there.
• 51:49
  They will just so whatever expert is coming and when the
• 51:55
  expert says something that's against their, their goal, their
• 51:59
  goals to defend their, their client, they will attack the
• 52:04
  credentials of the expert. And in my case, I come from
• 52:08
  entertainment. So if you find me, you will find
• 52:12
  pictures of me as a clown, as a juggler, as a magician.
• 52:16
  So they say because you're not a doctor, they will find your
• 52:21
  pictures of the clown and now you're a hypnotist.
• 52:26
  You probably are going to do your job well, but they will
• 52:30
  just attack you every single time on that and we can't take
• 52:33
  the risk. Yeah, of the case collapsing
• 52:37
  because of the case collapsing. Because of they undermine the
• 52:42
  credentials of the expert. And that's something.
• 52:46
  And I used to be in politics, but for me, it was the other way
• 52:49
  around. I was first in politics and then
• 52:51
  I became a hypnotist. But I totally understand what,
• 52:57
  what's happening there. They, they.
• 52:58
  And. And these days it's so simple.
• 53:00
  You, you, you just type in a name.
• 53:02
  And whenever he said something a bit controversial, they're going
• 53:06
  to use it, of course. And, and this is this is.
• 53:09
  Yeah, this is something. And, and I totally understand
• 53:13
  that the moment you put it out there.
• 53:17
  Yeah, and nobody and, and, and people are not educated about
• 53:20
  the fact that it's, it's, it's actually possible.
• 53:24
  Yeah. Then they just put it out there
• 53:26
  and it will take his his credibility down.
• 53:29
  That's one of the reasons why why Felix and and other guys yes
• 53:33
  to also stop promoting it because they didn't want to to
• 53:37
  be seen as the boob guy. Yeah, there's a, there's a risk
• 53:40
  of reputation damage, you know, which I understand because
• 53:44
  Felix, when I think of Felix, it's, it's the kind of fussy
• 53:48
  eating kind of things that I kind of know.
• 53:49
  Yeah. That that's what he's known for
• 53:51
  now, but yeah, that that's what he he his goal was to be to help
• 53:55
  people with that those more complex things like eating
• 53:58
  disorders and and things like that.
• 54:00
  But yeah, of course it's, it's the way that papers work is like
• 54:05
  you said. And I, I don't know what that
• 54:07
  was the case for that politician, but it's much easier
• 54:10
  to get in the newspaper with saying, hey, I can enlarge boobs
• 54:16
  then instead of hey, I can help people with this and this mental
• 54:21
  issues. Yeah.
• 54:22
  Yeah, because if you were George and especially The Sun and that
• 54:26
  kind of what do they want? They want the big title
• 54:30
  Hypnotist can enlarge books or hypnotist can help you with your
• 54:33
  anxieties. So that's how newspapers work.
• 54:36
  That's how media works. And yeah, they just want to
• 54:41
  stand out. So they need things like that.
• 54:43
  And that's the easiest way to get covered, of course.
• 54:46
  And yeah, that's, but it's the same with with with past life
• 54:52
  regression. I also tell my students don't
• 54:55
  put it on your website because again, if you have a stop
• 54:59
  smoking client and they see, especially in countries like
• 55:03
  Belgium, they see past life regression, they would say Oh
• 55:07
  no, no, no, no. Yeah, they would assume not that
• 55:09
  kind of that's a bit woo woo, but I, I, I think past life
• 55:13
  regression for me is something different because when I
• 55:15
  actually don't believe that we've had past lives, but I will
• 55:18
  still. But it's a it's a therapeutic
• 55:20
  tool, of course. Is is a therapeutic?
• 55:21
  Tool but I think but lay people don't know that true.
• 55:25
  When? When?
• 55:25
  Lay people are surfing around and they see a very nice website
• 55:30
  and they see all these things and then they see past life
• 55:32
  regression. They don't know it's a
• 55:35
  therapeutic tool. They just say, oh Jesus.
• 55:38
  So, so maybe and what I, what I, the advice that I give my
• 55:42
  students is if you want to work with by past life regression,
• 55:46
  just put regression on your website.
• 55:49
  I have, we have people contact on, on our website.
• 55:52
  There is a bit a small part about regression.
• 55:55
  We have people contacting us. Hey, can you do past life
• 55:58
  regression as well? So people will reach out if they
• 56:01
  see regression, they will reach out.
• 56:03
  So the, the, let's say the 20% who are, who believe in it are
• 56:07
  interested in, in, in working with past life regression.
• 56:11
  They will, they will find you anyway.
• 56:14
  But the 80% or or even bigger group that that's probably not
• 56:18
  believing in it and and might might see you as a fraud.
• 56:24
  You're just blocking them because of that thing on your
• 56:27
  website, because of breast enlargement, because of fast
• 56:29
  life regression. So I always give the advice,
• 56:32
  don't put things like that on your website.
• 56:34
  If they, if they need you, they will find you.
• 56:36
  And that's how I go with the breast enlargement.
• 56:39
  It for me, it's not not the big thing that I want to make money
• 56:42
  with. People will find me and I and
• 56:44
  then I do a session and sometimes I have like 5 a year.
• 56:48
  Sometimes I have more, sometimes I have not because I'm not, I'm
• 56:51
  not marketing it. That's very fair.
• 56:54
  And and what's your take just to kind of wrap up this
• 56:56
  conversation? So I'm, I'm appreciate you've
• 56:58
  got a client coming up soon with this idea because some
• 57:01
  hypnotherapist and I've seen YouTube videos where it's kind
• 57:04
  of like hypnosis to help you win the lottery, hypnosis to do this
• 57:09
  kind of thing and, and these kind of exaggerated kind of
• 57:12
  claims, which, you know, for for me, my perception is hypnosis is
• 57:18
  really good with kind of emotions, thoughts, strategies,
• 57:21
  you know, or beliefs that lead to behaviors that lead to
• 57:25
  change. Can you make someone more
• 57:26
  muscular? Well, yeah, if you instill the
• 57:29
  motivation to kind of work out more, eat more protein that
• 57:32
  those kind of things, I don't think someone's going to, like,
• 57:35
  lie in a room, listen to hypnosis and then become a
• 57:37
  bodybuilder, you know, those kind of things.
• 57:39
  But do you think there's an ethical or a reputational risk
• 57:44
  for some of those hypnotherapists that will, you
• 57:48
  know, lean into the more kind of fringe or kind of extreme or or
• 57:52
  kind of exaggerated kind of benefits the hypnosis?
• 57:54
  Even if there's a tiny element of truth, they might exaggerate
• 57:58
  that to something big. Yeah, that that, that's always
• 58:01
  the the problem. I think a lot of things are, are
• 58:06
  possible, but it's better the way that you frame it.
• 58:11
  If you, if you say I can, I can, Yeah, hypnosis can help you to
• 58:17
  to to become a bodybuilder. Yeah, that's correct.
• 58:21
  But like you said, it's, it's a, it's a different aspects that we
• 58:27
  will work on. It's not the hypnosis that's
• 58:29
  that's going to make you a bodybuilder, but it's a bit the
• 58:32
  same with weight loss. Hypnosis can help you to get
• 58:36
  slimmer. But it's not just the hypnosis.
• 58:39
  It's, it's the hypnosis will help stop smoking the same.
• 58:44
  And one of the things that I always mentioned and I wrote in
• 58:47
  my book, but I mentioned it on, on every, every convention that
• 58:51
  I'm doing. I'm, I'm, I'm a specialist in
• 58:54
  stop smoking, but my wife is a smoker.
• 58:59
  So can hypnosis help people to stop smoking?
• 59:02
  Yes, if they want to become a smoker, it's not a hypnosis
• 59:08
  doing it. A hypnosis is just a tool to
• 59:11
  help you to reach your goal. And I think that's, that's what
• 59:15
  we and of course, when, when you frame it the way that hypnosis
• 59:19
  is doing it, then it might be misleading.
• 59:22
  And, and, and with those things, especially with those things
• 59:26
  that are like a bit more like, like, like the things that
• 59:32
  people maybe don't immediately believe.
• 59:34
  OK, stop smoking. Everybody knows that.
• 59:36
  It knows is, is, is, is one of the, the ways to, to become a
• 59:40
  non-smoker. So if you put things out there,
• 59:44
  you have believers and you have non believers of course, but if
• 59:47
  you put things out there that are not so common, then it might
• 59:53
  it might do not a good job for for the hypnosis business in in
• 59:59
  general. And that's one of the things
• 1:00:01
  that I say don't promote breast enlargement because you will put
• 1:00:04
  more people off then you would gain clients with it.
• 1:00:09
  And the ones that that really are looking for something like
• 1:00:12
  that, they will find you. So yeah, always be careful with
• 1:00:16
  with putting claims out there, I think.
• 1:00:18
  Yeah, or, or at least articulate because I mean, there is a
• 1:00:22
  strategy to win the lottery. You buy every lottery ticket.
• 1:00:24
  You know, there's several people in the world that have done
• 1:00:26
  that. But if you have the hypnosis
• 1:00:29
  track, which is hypnosis to win the lottery, I think people are
• 1:00:32
  thinking it's a manifestation thing rather than OK take out a
• 1:00:35
  loan, buy every lottery ticket and win the win the lottery.
• 1:00:37
  But I, I had clients coming in for that.
• 1:00:40
  I had clients because with us, they can just book a session.
• 1:00:43
  I don't know upfront what they're, what they're coming
• 1:00:45
  for. And I had somebody coming in and
• 1:00:49
  he said, OK, you need to make sure that I will win the
• 1:00:52
  lottery. I said, OK, So and then again,
• 1:00:56
  of course, he, he, he knew that, that the hypnosis was not going,
• 1:01:01
  but he just wanted to, to have the right mindset and, and, and
• 1:01:05
  OK, but as long as as he feels good with it, OK.
• 1:01:08
  But I'm not going to put that on my website, of course.
• 1:01:11
  For me, the, the ethical line is, is to kind of empower the
• 1:01:15
  client without mismanaging their expectations.
• 1:01:18
  I had time with, with breast cancer and she said, right, I
• 1:01:21
  want to work with you for hypnosis so that I feel like
• 1:01:26
  healthy that I'm healing. So I, I mean, they're all on my
• 1:01:29
  podcast, but I put a disclaimer saying that this hypnosis was to
• 1:01:34
  empower the belief systems of the client.
• 1:01:36
  You know, it's not a claim that hypnosis can cure cancer.
• 1:01:39
  And I think, I think you know, that element of, you know, for a
• 1:01:43
  hypnotherapist, particularly more well known hypnotherapist
• 1:01:45
  like us, I think there is a, a duty to kind of not just kind of
• 1:01:50
  have the big headline kind of things like hypnosis does this,
• 1:01:53
  but actually maybe spark a conversation like we're having.
• 1:01:56
  Which is why when I saw that there's a lot of particular
• 1:01:59
  social media binary thinking, this is right, this is wrong.
• 1:02:02
  Actually, where you learn is, but you have a conversation like
• 1:02:04
  we're having now and you think, OK, give it some nuance, give it
• 1:02:07
  some context. And you can see actually in
• 1:02:09
  under certain circumstances, maybe it it, it could.
• 1:02:12
  And, and why is this? That's much better than this is.
• 1:02:15
  This is real and this is. This is it's, it's a bit the
• 1:02:19
  same like like with the with the discussion on post life.
• 1:02:23
  You don't have to believe in post life, the regression to use
• 1:02:27
  it as a therapeutic tool. I don't use it.
• 1:02:29
  It's not my thing, but I see the value in it.
• 1:02:34
  If people can for me, one thing that I tell my students a lot is
• 1:02:39
  I'm not really into having a, a, a protocol or something that I,
• 1:02:46
  I fully understand. And then there's a lot of
• 1:02:48
  research done. I want to see results.
• 1:02:50
  If I, if I tomorrow find a system that I can put my client
• 1:02:55
  on a chair and I walk three times around the client and the
• 1:02:58
  client issue is gone and they have reached their goals, why
• 1:03:03
  would I not do it? OK, there's no research about
• 1:03:06
  this and there is no way how it's not going to happen
• 1:03:08
  probably, but but why not? Because actually our clients,
• 1:03:13
  they don't give anything about the research or about the
• 1:03:18
  background or why is it working. They just want the result and
• 1:03:23
  whatever way we find and everybody has his own way.
• 1:03:26
  And for one, for me, direct hypnosis is my thing.
• 1:03:31
  But I, I totally understand that, that some people don't
• 1:03:34
  like that approach and they don't, they want something else
• 1:03:36
  because it needs to, to, to fit you as a therapist as well.
• 1:03:40
  And once you find something that will give your client a good
• 1:03:45
  result, that's good for me. That, that, that's, that's
• 1:03:48
  actually what they're paying us for.
• 1:03:50
  They're not paying. One of the things that I, I have
• 1:03:53
  to explain a lot to hypnotherapists as well is that
• 1:03:56
  my session, my sessions are short.
• 1:03:58
  I especially when I do online sessions, I have a session in,
• 1:04:02
  in, in 15 minutes, but 20 minutes after it's 11:00 my time
• 1:04:08
  here in Bulgaria, 20 minutes after 11, I'm offline again
• 1:04:13
  because I don't do long sessions.
• 1:04:16
  And, and maybe when my client has a lot of questions, I might
• 1:04:21
  be a bit longer on line. But my clients are very well
• 1:04:24
  prepared because they get a video.
• 1:04:26
  I explain everything in the video.
• 1:04:28
  The pre talk is already done. They know everything.
• 1:04:30
  So the only thing that I need to know is hey, what's your issue?
• 1:04:34
  What do you want to get rid of? What do you want?
• 1:04:36
  Instead? I start my session, my hypnosis
• 1:04:38
  is about 8-9 minutes and that's it.
• 1:04:42
  So I don't fill the hour because I know a lot of therapists, they
• 1:04:46
  are in the mindset, oh, we need to fill an hour.
• 1:04:48
  No, clients are not paying for your time.
• 1:04:50
  They're paying for a result. And there's the same with the
• 1:04:52
  techniques you're using. If you can, if you're for me,
• 1:04:55
  it's, it's if I believe I can help the client, it's good.
• 1:04:59
  Whatever, whatever we are doing, is it, is it scientifically
• 1:05:02
  proven or not? I don't care.
• 1:05:04
  I want result. Very fair.
• 1:05:07
  Anyone listening right now and they want to learn more about
• 1:05:09
  you, your training or and in fact, we'll have that video to
• 1:05:12
  one of the the ones that you talked about.
• 1:05:14
  I think about the the breast enlargement for hypnosis, but
• 1:05:17
  what's the best website that they can go to learn more about
• 1:05:19
  you? Europeanhypnosisacademy.com.
• 1:05:23
  European. Hypnosisacademy.com that's
• 1:05:27
  actually the website of my my English speaking school.
• 1:05:32
  That's probably most of the listeners will not understand
• 1:05:35
  Dutch. So we better point into that
• 1:05:37
  website. The breast enlargement training
• 1:05:40
  is on there as well in the shop. You can, you can become a breast
• 1:05:44
  enlargement practitioner if you're interested in that, if
• 1:05:47
  you want to work with, with clients like that.
• 1:05:49
  Everything is in there. The training, the research, the,
• 1:05:53
  the scripts, the, the audio hypnosis recordings that you can
• 1:05:56
  use, how to measure, how to follow up and things like that.
• 1:05:59
  Everything is in there. If, if people have questions,
• 1:06:02
  there is a WhatsApp button on that website.
• 1:06:04
  It will come directly to me. So that's for for at the moment,
• 1:06:08
  it's the easiest way for me to get there or for people to get
• 1:06:12
  in touch with me. Just hit the WhatsApp button and
• 1:06:15
  just introduce yourself and ask a question and I will come back
• 1:06:19
  to you. So that's the best way.
• 1:06:21
  So European hypnosisacademy.com that's the way to reach me.
• 1:06:26
  Effects Rob, it's been great to chat with you again.
• 1:06:29
  I think you gonna be at the Irish Ship No Therapy
• 1:06:31
  Conference. Yeah, we will see each other
• 1:06:32
  there out I'm. Actually not gonna be there this
• 1:06:34
  year, unfortunately. You're not gonna be there.
• 1:06:36
  No, unfortunately I couldn't make it this year but have a
• 1:06:39
  great conference. In fact, I'll put a link to the
• 1:06:41
  Irish Ship No Therapy conference in the podcast notes as well.
• 1:06:44
  So if anyone wants to check Rob out in person, go to IR Ship no
• 1:06:47
  Therapy conference and you're going to be at London, I'm I'm
• 1:06:49
  guessing November. Not sure about that yet, but
• 1:06:52
  I'm, I'm also going to be in Belgium.
• 1:06:54
  There is also a conference in Belgium.
• 1:06:57
  It's 9 and 10 May if I'm correct.
• 1:06:59
  Yeah, it's in Antwerp and it's in everything will be in
• 1:07:04
  English, so people from other countries can join as well.
• 1:07:07
  It's another, it's, so there are a lot of international speakers
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  there as well. And I, I will be there the one
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  convention that I don't have to travel so just 45 minutes by
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  car, so. Awesome.
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  Well, Rob, you take care. It's been a pleasure to have you
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