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Ep. 239 - Are Christians Supposed to Keep the Sabbath? · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:04
  Speaker 1: And Rad love you to comment on this.
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: You know I mean Jesus made it clear.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Matthew 2, 23 to 28,.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: He was continually condemned by the Pharisees, who said he violated the Sabbath even by healing a man.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: This is why I go evangelizing on a Sunday.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Should I stay home and rest?
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Well, jesus said which of you having a donkey or an ox wouldn't rescue him if he fell into a pit?
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: Wow, and humanity's fallen into a pit.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: So we should use Sundays as a time to rescue the loss.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: So I've been going out twice every Sunday for years.
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: Where do you go on Sundays?
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: Local park and there's a park Park.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Park, park, parkmark and the dark and I just go around around till I find someone and it's usually people playing basketball or just standing around.
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: Do you interrupt the game?
• 1:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, you steal the ball.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: I do interrupt the game and get chatting with them, and it's just been a wonderful thing.
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: Get for you, rad.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: And he's doing that, running out on the court grabbing a ball and pulling out a knife and popping the ball.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Listen to me getting the repair.
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: More important things.
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: We'll be playing games in hell.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: Some guy was bouncing a ball when I was filming him.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: He said that's going to ruin your interview.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: He said boing, boing, boing and.
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: But I've had some wonderful interviews on Sundays, so it is a day of rest, but we can't forget the lost.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the name some cool conveniences game where we name some cool conveniences Microwaves.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: I'll start.
• 2:40
  Speaker 4: Has anybody asked for this?
• 2:41
  Speaker 4: I'll start.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: I asked for it.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Sour cream in a tube.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: Yep, amen, mark, you concur.
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: Of course I'm not sour cream.
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: Can you get that, or you're hoping that one?
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: No, we have it, we have it.
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: Because, okay, rachel makes these wonderful tacos, but to put sour cream, and I love sour cream, but I got to get a spoon, I got to do this and it doesn't come off, and it doesn't come out the least.
• 3:06
  Speaker 4: Mexican taco I've ever heard.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: It's hard shell, right, it's sour cream, so she.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: So one day I'm like they should have this stuff in a tube or something.
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: She's like they do Aisai.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, anger, bitterness, that she never got it.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: But she gets it now and I absolutely love it.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: I love a condensed cream and a.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: Then you can squirt out Just like you mean whipped cream.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: Whipped cream, yeah, and a.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: It's called a can.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a can.
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: A sexy, can.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you, oscar.
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tasted my kids about 40 years ago and gave them moustaches with it.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: Why am I envisioning were you the one that would pour in your kids' mouths and, like I, do that with our kids?
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you put as much in as you can and they love it I do love whipped cream.
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: I put it in the kids' pillows just to surprise them have you ever done homemade whipped cream so good.
• 3:55
  Speaker 4: No, how do you do that?
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: You mean genuine whipped cream from real cream.
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: It's wonderful.
• 3:58
  Speaker 4: It's so good.
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: What are you talking about?
• 3:59
  Speaker 4: You just make it from home.
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: It's super easy to make.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: You do it with a and you stir it up, you just take whip and you tape cream and you put it together.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: Look at the perplexity, Wait wait, wait.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: Easy as that.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: No, because everything's made for me, so I don't know how to do that stuff.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: So I he's not joking, I know, but wait you're telling me you don't like, whip it from milk.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: You do.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's whipped cream, whipping cream.
• 4:19
  Speaker 4: I believe it's sugar right.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: It tastes really nice.
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: Can you whip it?
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: Let's just shape it up.
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you guys think?
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, butter is made from milk that's just constantly churning.
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: How do you know?
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: that.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: Prove it Butter.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: But is that how you make butter?
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: You just keep churning milk.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: It's churned milk, whole milk.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: Have you ever tried that at home?
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's salt, and I have.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: I've tried butter.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: It's nice, yeah, and nothing but Buddha.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: What?
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: And that's right.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: What was that?
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: called it was.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it's not Buddha.
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's not, did we?
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: have a tractor.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: I just guessed it.
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: No, I think you did a track on that.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe it's not.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: It's not here, but maybe in New Zealand, if it's in.
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: New Zealand.
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: I can't believe.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: It's not Buddha.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was a saying I can't believe.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: It's not butter.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: What was that?
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: I?
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: can't believe it's not butter.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Buddha, yeah, buddha.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: So anyway you make cheese by keeping cream stirring.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: But have you ever?
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: Can you actually do that Like if you just stir and stir and stir after the milk?
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: will become butter you can actually drink milk and it takes a long time.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it, prove it, you should.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: Two months later, huge forms, yeah, yeah, all right, you guys name some.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: I have more here.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: I want to hear what are we doing?
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: Conveniences, cool conveniences.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's microwave on this.
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: Well, listen right now it's the shower because we've been without a water heater for the last week and it's cold, it's winter, so we get our new water heater on Wednesday.
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: Have you been doing cold showers?
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: Cold showers, seriously, yeah.
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: Well, this morning it was like a little bucket of coffee.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, but, mark, you've been doing what I've been doing.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: You've been finishing off with a cold shower.
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's still, I think no.
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: I know I need my hot first, but you know, the other day it was kind of later in the day and I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna finish off with a cold shower and I regretted it because I was so exhausted.
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: It really does wake me up.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: It does Like a cup of coffee.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: It's wonderful You've been doing it right?
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: No, it's wonderful for other people.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: The crazy stupid.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: Arabs yeah, and there's air conditioning.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: We forget about it because it's winter.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: How wonderful air conditioning.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: We don't have AC either, right?
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: You don't appreciate these things until you lose them for some reason.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: Keyless entry.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: I can't stand these, oh yeah, true.
• 6:16
  Speaker 4: So like our front door has a passcode, I don't use key, the only thing I have in my pocket is a fob.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: no, yeah, is at home.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: I have a thing beep, beep beep and then here it's touch, you know.
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: So I use a key at the back door.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: Can I change the lock?
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: So I don't do this, or absolutely, yeah, we have a key, we have like a passcode.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so dad, dad, that's what I call them off-air friends.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: Scandal, oh no.
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: Oh no, people know they'll be like I'll be damned Dad.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: But no, it's so cool because you punch in when you come.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: You punch in your code, but when you leave.
• 6:50
  Speaker 4: What's your code?
• 6:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what is it?
• 6:51
  Speaker 4: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.
• 6:52
  Speaker 4: Who would ever do that?
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: But when you leave, you hit a button and then you just turn it.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, and it locks it from the oh, I love it.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine using a key from home.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: If you're a burglar, you find out where Christians live and just go 7, 7, 7, 7, 7.
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: You're in.
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: All my kids' friends know the codor friend door Seriously.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 7:09
  Speaker 3: I just, they just come right on in.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now, with you know, you have some that are connected to your phone so you can unlock it for someone.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how our and let them in.
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: We have one like that.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, man Paper towels.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the simple things we don't think about.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: I love paper towels.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: Because I take it for granted that people always had paper towels.
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: No, they didn't.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: I spill things.
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Every day I spilled some this morning, we know, and paper towels are my salvation.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: Seriously, I love it.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: We go through dozens of roles every day.
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: Well, and they're saying every day With all your spells, right?
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: No, but seriously, like think of the things that like end up dawning on people after time.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: You're like I can't believe we didn't used to do it like this.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: You have a party at your house.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: No one ever used to put out paper towels.
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: It was always a hand towel off 50 people using it.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: It stinks, it smells.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Paper towel Clean, sanitary done.
• 8:01
  Speaker 4: We still use that one towel for 50 people.
• 8:03
  Speaker 4: We still use that one.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: I saw an ad on TV, one of those silly buy this office in the last couple of minutes, sort of thing, and it was advertising something against paper towels.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: So they showed them black or white lady trying to use paper towels they're horrible.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: And then they showed this big horrible rag thing.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like those shams or whatever.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought oh yeah, you can't eat paper towels.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: No man, I don't care how many trees you got to kill, Give me my paper towels, Ziploc bags.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love them Seriously.
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: I mean for my neat freakishness, I mean because you can compartmentalize things.
• 8:39
  Speaker 1: They're not touching each other.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: You can put screws in them and sandwiches yeah.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: And I love the kind too with the zipper thing, like on top Right invention, that zipper thing with your phone, the zipper thing, that's what they call it.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oscar, you like ziploc bags.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I use them off you just seemed angry.
• 8:56
  Speaker 4: Like what I meant.
• 8:56
  Speaker 4: I was just, I did not think ziploc bags could be on your list.
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: When is the kiddie's keeping the ziploc bag?
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a triggering situation for me.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, deodorant, oh, 100% Deodorant.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, lord.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Look, friends, here's what you have to understand.
• 9:14
  Speaker 3: What's that, Ray Comfort oh wait, ray Comfort.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: You may not realize this, friends.
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: Ray Comfort is the least confrontational person you'll ever meet.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: But if you have BO, expect a letter from Ray Comfort.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: Please keep it close.
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: A letter.
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: Ray, have you read a?
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: letter I remember, I don't know, if I could say this we're overseas once what was his name.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to give a T.
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: So we're overseas and I was speaking and there was these beautiful girls on one side.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: They were separated from the guys, they were just gorgeous.
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: And I walked down the aisle and I was hit with this wave of BO that you could taste I'm not going to just a totally different culture, yeah.
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: So I met this girl.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: She was hmm, no, but seriously, I mean deodorant.
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: We take it for granted.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: Ray actually sent me to the store many years ago, when we were at our other building, to purchase deodorant for one of our employees.
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: He's no longer with us.
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: He's no longer with us.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: They didn't use it, oh man.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but seriously, no one, or even your best friend, won't tell you if you stink.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: I would tell you you would?
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Because you're not my best friend.
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: How about the convenience of texting?
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love texting, right?
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: I?
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Mean that changed things for us in terms of, like, he always had to get on the phone.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: That takes time.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Now you just send a quick text.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: Now it's just the voice memo.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: Now and the voice memo.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to get voice mails.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Well, now, and with voice mails, did you guys see that?
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: You sent one to me the other day, didn't you?
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: Somebody did Somebody sent me a voice memo.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: It might have been me and I made it.
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: No, I'm like this is the first person over 40 that's ever sent me a voice memo.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: But you know, now, even with like voice mails, it does it, oh, the transcript, it does a text of it for you.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: And now too, with voice mail, at least on my phones, you can interrupt the call.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Now Do you know that?
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can answer it while they're leaving the voice mail.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you could read what they're saying and then, if you want to answer it, which was I was with a friend.
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: He received a text saying that his window was down on his car.
• 11:09
  Speaker 3: That the car, the car texted him saying that his window was down.
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: That's crazy yeah.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: The thing I love about texting is you can keep old friends.
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: I can stay in contact with that.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: It's just wonderful.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Well, and you can.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: You can have four or five people come on your heart.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: You just send a quick text to each of them, thinking of you, praying for you.
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, it's like a boost of encouragement.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: I've never gotten that from you.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, never will, Ray.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: Here's one.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Ray loves Listen Amazon.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, oh look at the joy.
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the malls.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: The malls have become funeral palace.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: I just want you couldn't pay me to go to mall.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: Amazon, you have to park your car.
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: You have to go in there and you could get shot while you're there.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: Amazon, click a button and it's come.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: They deliver it before I order it.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I am.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: So you know this bead just going to push a button in the doorbell I hate it and love it at the same time.
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: No, I mean you know I, there's such a terrible company in our house we call it the Zon because it sounds like this overlord that controls our lives.
• 12:06
  Speaker 4: It just feels more accurate.
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: We're like, oh, did you get that from?
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: No, no, you just submit your will.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: It's just your letter.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Submit your will to Amazon.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's crazy because Rachel's like I don't order.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: I never order things online.
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: I just like I said really, things are done for me, my wife's my help me, but she's always like I can't believe it.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: I ordered it an hour ago.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: It's here you know, it's just wonderful Crazy.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Why do my wife sound like Ray Comfort?
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: They bring the doorbell, they send you a picture of what's at your door.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: It's just pretty cool, man.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: They have thought about that.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: They put themselves in our position to see what we want.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: I got to say they've done it right, man.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Amazon has hit excellence with that.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I want.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: I want to strive for living waters to be like that.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're pretty close.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're pretty close.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can deliver with them.
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Our team is amazing.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: Sue and quick overnight, six week delivery.
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Apple Watches Oscar and best device of ever.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got one now.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: Mark has one.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: Ray, why are you left out?
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Because I just draw a little apple on it.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: Ray, do you know how many?
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many different bands they have?
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: You could get whatever you want.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: Really Hi.
• 13:18
  Speaker 3: Do you remember why I told you Ray's?
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: keeping his $3 watch because he could turn it around or remind him it's $12.
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, it's four times more Overnight shipping though, to remind him of what he needs to do.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Tim, I'll watch around.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: Can you organize?
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, can you order on Amazon through the watch?
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I'll get one.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Through Amazon.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Keep doing it.
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: Do you remember the reason I told you why the Apple Watch is like my favorite device?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Because it limits distractions.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true it sounds counterintuitive but it does.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: You think it's always on your wrist, but I could look at something internally instead of pulling my phone out, opening it.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: You know all that, anyway, for you guys.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: So there's 40 minutes.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Well, friends, here's something super cool.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: We got hats from a friend in Indiana.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, friends.
• 14:00
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• 14:01
  Speaker 1: Please write to us, let us know who you are and we want to thank you by name.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: But hats.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: Mine says Baclava Oscar, mine says Coffee Mark.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Weiner Schnitzel and.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: Len's got a picture of a chicken Chicken.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: I bet you, Ken Hamp, sent these right Just to get that in your hands.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Chicken man, I'm telling you I'm taking a picture.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, All right, friends.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Man, you guys have talked so much.
• 14:23
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• 14:25
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• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Are Christians supposed to keep the Sabbath Boy Ray?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: You've probably been hit up more about this than anything.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: It's been for over 40 years, Actually plagued by Saint David.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And I say you just preach everything.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Nine commandments is all you preach.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: You won't preach the one that's important to God.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: That's just crazy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Wow, this is a pretty big divisive topic amongst people.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: We talked about the Seventh Day Adventists, and this is kind of the hallmark, I mean, when your church is called the Seventh Day and the word Adventists on it, it just shows that that's a big deal for you.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: And I think there is some genuine confusion amongst some believers because they're looking and they'll say well, the Ten Commandments, this is in the Ten Commandments, and yet you guys don't have the view that Christians are under the Sabbath.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: So I want to open it up.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I have a lot to say, but I've been saying a lot already.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I'll let you guys say whatever you want to say.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Well, again, I think we need to look to the scriptures to first define what and why Sabbath.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: It's a weird thing and it's important to recognize that it's in the Ten Commandments.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: There's something about rest that God is inviting us into.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: So, before we get into the logisticals of what does it mean to keep a Sabbath, what are the parameters?
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Is it on a Saturday?
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Is it on a Sunday?
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I think just a theological foundation for Sabbath, and it's simple God rests on the seventh day.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And one theologian that I was reading.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: He points out that on the seventh day it doesn't repeat the language evening and morning.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: And the reason why he pointed out is that there's a sense in which God intended in the garden that there would be this perpetual rest.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Not that there was no work, because certainly work is pre-endemic fall.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Adam has given work.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Work is good, but there is this joy, this peace, this rest in the presence of God.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: That is intended to happen.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: But of course Adam and Eve sin against the Lord, kicked out of the garden, and then what ends up happening is that God intends to restore humanity back to a place of rest with him, and we see that happen when God's people are slaves in Egypt, he brings them through Exodus out of that and he delivers them and then he once again invites them to rest on the seventh day, again inviting to rest with him.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: And then what we see an important aspect, what we see in the New Testament is that one of the questions that I get is like why don't we rest on the seventh day, saturday?
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Why is it on the first day?
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: A big transition happens in the New Testament.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: A new covenant is established with God and essentially what happens is that it is true that Sabbath was on the sixth day, but because Jesus resurrected on the seventh day, or, I'm sorry, on the seventh day, when Jesus resurrected on Sunday, the early church, the Christians in Acts and moving forward, began to worship and gather because of the resurrection and this is actually really important.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: The early church treated Sundays the way that we, the United States, treat Easter Sunday.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Easter Sunday is a big thing for us.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: We all put our Sunday best on, everyone goes, we take pictures.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: It's this big celebration that was every Sunday from Acts moving forward.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Every Sunday was a gathering and a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus, and so what we see in Acts is that it shifts from Saturday to Sunday for the purpose of celebration in the new covenant.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: That's good, yeah, and I think it's important to step back and say where do we make the distinction?
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: It's interesting that, of all the 10 commandments, the only one that's not repeated in terms of tying it to the 10 commandments is the Sabbath, and when we look at Colossians 2, 16 to 17, it says so let no one judge you in food or in drink or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, which are in keeping with kind of what you alluded to, oscar, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substances of Christ.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And so I think John MacArthur put it really well.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: He had a few things to say on this and I want to open it up and mark on here You're going to read my quote.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I think it was that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read a few.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: So it says the Sabbath is the only one.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: The only one of the 10 commandments.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: How cute we have the same quote.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can finish each other's sandwiches, sandwiches Still my line.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sabbath is the only one of the 10 commandments that is non-moral and purely ceremonial, and it was unique to the old covenant and Israel.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: The other nine commandments, on the other hand, pertain to moral and spiritual absolutes and are repeated and expanded upon many places in the New Testament, but Sabbath observance is never recommended to Christians, much less given as a command in the New Testament.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: So, mark, I'll let you elaborate on that, because you were going to share the quote anyway.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: So that's all I was going to share right there, listen, we have a lot of Presbyterian friends who still adhere to the Sabbath and they do not believe that it has been done away.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: So we understand from the outside that there's two different thoughts concerning that, but I think that we both agree that keeping the Sabbath does not earn us points with God.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it's just now.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: How do we define?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: What does it mean to keep the Sabbath?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Because we all agree that it is a great idea to set aside a day of rest, to not overwork, to think back upon how the previous work week went and to think forward on how the work week is supposed to go or whatever else that you're going to be working on.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I try to do that every Sunday.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: I try to think through all the stuff that happened and all the stuff that's going to happen.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And then the previous night I think through all the stuff that I'm gonna do.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: That next day I take it a step further.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Right, when I get inside of a car, when I'm done with an event, when I'm leaving a place, I pause.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I think back.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: What just went right, what went wrong, how can I make that better?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yep, I should have handed out that gospel track.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I should have done better.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: That's okay.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: No condemnation.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Moving forward when Christ is our perpetual rest, he is our Shabbat right, he is our.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: What is the word that you used to talk about?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Our peace, shalom, shalom.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Our rest in the last one, our shalom right, that we find our ultimate place of rest in Christ.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: So there's no condemnation.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: You wanna judge one day different than another day, that's okay with you.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Obviously, coming from a Baptist perspective, that would be the position that I would take, and I like what you had mentioned with John McCarthy, mickey Nelded out of the park.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Then I would just ask a Shabbatarian or a semi-Sabbatarian what does it mean to actually keep the Sabbath and why do you think that you can earn favor with God?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And if you don't keep the Sabbath, well, now you're going to hell.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, you go to Israel.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Today we've been to Israel where the elevator stops on every floor because it's considered work.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: If you push the button, we're straining out a nat here, right, that's not the purpose of the Sabbath.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ray, I'd love you to comment on this.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, jesus made it clear Matthew 2, 23 to 28,.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: He was continually condemned by the Pharisees, who said he violated the Sabbath even by healing a man.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: This is why I go evangelizing on a Sunday.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Should I stay home and rest?
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Well, jesus said which of you having a donkey or an ox wouldn't rescue him if found to a pit, and humanity's fallen to a pit.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So we should use Sundays as a time to rescue the lost.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So I've been going out twice every Sunday for years.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Where do you go on Sundays?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Local park and there's park mark and the dock and I just go around until I find someone and it's usually people playing basketball or just standing around.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Do you interrupt the game?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: You steal the ball.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I do interrupt the game and get chatting with them, and it's just been a wonderful thing.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And he's doing that running out on a court grabbing a ball and pulling out a knife and popping the ball.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Listen to me getting the repair.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: More important things.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: We're playing games in hell.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Some guy was bouncing a ball when I was filming him.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I said that's going to ruin your interview.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: It's a boing, boing, boing and.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: But I've had some wonderful interviews on Sundays, so it is a day of rest, but we can't forget the lost.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and we have to remember Jesus was constantly being harassed by the Pharisees and the hypocrites, over the Sabbath, I mean, and in fact they were so blinded he would.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: He healed a man and instead of being like this guy's, like he must be, he said he was Are you healed a man on the Sabbath?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Hey, there's six days to be healed.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Come back, I want it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Like you do a really good Pharisee.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, just like I'm here.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: That's a high feminine voice.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I should have been in Mal Gibson's movie right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Please don't push this button.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: It was the arms on the hip.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the hip.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: I think Sabbath is a very interesting theme because I think there's almost these two extremes that end up happening.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: There are people that repeat the legalistic pitfall of trying to create these hedges and these man-made rules and they lose sight of the reality, as you mentioned, that Christ is our Sabbath, that that is where we find rest.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And yet I also think there's another extreme out there, which is that we treat Sunday like any other day of the week, or that we treat it as a vacation from work rather than a time to rest in delight in God.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: And there's a big difference To vacation is to vacate, it's to remove yourself from you know city.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: If your Sabbath Sunday looks like all right, yeah, I'll do church because that's what I'm supposed to do, but then you're sitting down watching football a day long.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I think you could even go to church on Sundays and still not spend that day delighting in God.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: And so by no means I'm gonna tell you what we do.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: We do take our Sabbath serious in my home.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you what our routines are, but I don't want this to be taken in any way, shape or form, as this is how you should do them too.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: This is just our way of trying to redeem our Sundays.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: So your whole family wears phylacteries.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: That's exactly right, yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I'll just use this last Sunday as an example, actually One.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: The early church believed that Sabbath started Saturday night like that first meal and it ended Sunday night with the final meal.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And so for us, in the morning we get up, we make a really intentional breakfast, we eat it as a family.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: And then this last Sunday, we went on a hike because for us like to delight in God's creation, to get out and to use the bodies that he gave us as a family and to walk around.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: We went to the beach and we did a really nice hike.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: We went back to the house, we got ready, we went to church and then we had a meal with members of our church.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: After church we extended community with intention, with people from our church.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: And so for us, oh, and then, on top of that, while we were on our hike, we prepared a devotional and we got to talk with that, with our kids.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: So basically, we're looking at Sabbath as a way for us to rest in Christ, delight in His creation and reorient our hearts on who he intends for us to be.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: That's how we use our Sabbath.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: So I guess the takeaway here is I do think God intends for us to spend a day, a week rejoicing in Him.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: That's gonna look different for everybody, but I think intentionality is key.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: One man yeah, and Kevin DeYoung put it well.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He said we should rest in Christ alone for our salvation.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: But along with that there is still an abiding principle that we ought to worship on the Lord's day and trust God enough to have a weekly routine where we cease from our normal labors.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: He made the Sabbath for man, not man for the Sabbath which we quoted.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: God gave us Sabbath as a gift.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It's an island of get to and a sea of have to.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Isn't that powerful.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna save that one and use it at the right time.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a sea of get to.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It's an island of get to and a sea of have to.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He also offers us Sabbath as a test.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It's an opportunity to trust God's work more than our own.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: When I go weeks without taking adequate time off, I may or may not be disobeying the fourth commandment, but I'm certainly too convinced of my own importance and more than a little foolish.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: If my goal is God glorifying productivity over a lifetime of hard work, there are few things I need more than a regular rhythm of rest rhythm that's a good work to infuse as well.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jesus had come aside and rest awhile.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Jesus recognized the need for rest.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: If I had one superpower, the one thing I would love to have is to not sleep.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But sleep reminds us that we are in need of God, that we need God.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Amen.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: If you wanna grow muscle which I know nothing about, but if you wanna grow muscle, I'm told that you need to rest.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Right, you need to take days off on the muscle groups that you're trying to grow.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: You can't just do bench press every single day, right?
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: So you wanna work?
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I like the way Ray Ortland worded it here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: He said God wants us to follow a recurring pattern of intense work and then rest, intense work and then rest, and so forth.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Whatever view one takes of the Sabbath, surely the six days of work and the one day of rest embedded in the creation remain relevant in some sense.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Right, so we must rest.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: If you find yourself working seven days a week I have a family member who works seven days a week and he works 12 hours a day, and he's done it for years you are setting yourself up for failure.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Come aside and rest.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: I love that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Rest reminds us that we're not God.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about this.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: God rested why?
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Because he needed it?
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: No, because we needed it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: And if we needed it before the fall, how much more do we need it now, after the fall?
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Living in a life of saying we need rest, I think to your point, like we always wanna work, but I think often, if you think about like, oh well, I always need to be doing something, you could fall in.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: The trap is I am important and rest means I'm not God.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Right, rest means we have this insidious lie in our hearts where it's like oh man, there's so much work that needs to be done.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I need to do that work.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Rest reminds us the important work has been done for us.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Rest reminds us, ultimately, that we are human, that we are frail and that we are limited.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: In other words, rest intends to remind us that we aren't God.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: We have to get that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I love the fact that you love coffee, I love the taste of coffee, but I cannot drink coffee right, I have this allergic reaction when I drink it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: It puts me into like a panic attack.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've been to the ER because I've taken too much caffeine when I would.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Before I'd work out I'd wanna take like these caffeine pills or that pre-workout.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: No, I need to just kind of pause.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So I think that God has allowed me to have this allergic reaction to coffee so that I purposely rest with him.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: But I would love to be able to always stay awake, never take a nap, live off of 30 minutes of sleep.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: We need to work at resting.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Is that original?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Mark.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Ray got so excited.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Ray got so excited, Mark, because he said like Ray says yes, you're talking about working out on muscle, ray says, oh, what did I say about that muscle it?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: was another Ray and Mark, by the way.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Man, thank you for admitting your muscle listness.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: There's not very much to it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: That's very true.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray, talk about this.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Romans 14, five to six.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Let each be fully convinced in his own mind he who observes the day observes it to the Lord.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: He who does not observe the day to the Lord, he does not observe it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: He who eats to the Lord, he gives God thanks.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: He who doesn't eat to the Lord, does not eat and give God's thanks.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: And it goes on.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But that whole principle again like we're talking about the Sabbath not being binding on the believer, as MacArthur cited, it's the only one of the commands that was ceremonial, not mentioned again in the New Testament, no explicit command given to us to keep it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But yet there are people that have different views on this and we need to be convinced in our own minds and not be judgmental.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, this, romans 14, 21 is where it builds up to happy as he that condemns, not himself and that thing which he allows.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: We've got tremendous liberty as Christians, but when someone says to me, you're not keeping the Sabbath, I write back to them and say if you can find one verse in the New Testament where Christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath, I will keep it and I'll tell others to also.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But there's not even one to keep the Jewish Sabbath, not one.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: We're told the exact opposite.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: All the scriptures and collosions, let no man tell you.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Acts 15,.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: When the disciples got together, they didn't say what's their attitude to the law of Moses.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They didn't say, oh, remember to keep the Sabbath holy, didn't say that refrain from blood and things strangled.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: So what I would love to say to people who are so important about keeping the Sabbath and all they do is tell other Christians to keep the Sabbaths knock it off.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: People are gonna hell.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: This is silly.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Read Romans 14.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good and it's a foreshadow right as we read about, for the things to come, and we've referenced it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: But we're talking about Hebrews 4, 1 to 11, where we talked about Christ being our Sabbath rest.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So therefore, since the promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it, for indeed, the gospel was preached to us as well, to them, but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: For we who have believed do enter that rest, as he said.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So I swore in my wrath they shall not enter my rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, for he has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: In this way, and God rested on the seventh day from all his works, and again in this place, they shall not enter my rest.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Then, in verse nine, it says there remains, therefore, a rest for the people of God, for he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works, as God did from his.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And that's the sweetness that Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: We've ceased from work.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: We've ceased from trying to earn God's favor.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: He bore his wrath in our place.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: He's our substitute, and now we have uninterrupted and eternal rest and peace with God.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah you nailed it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Also, when Jesus spoke to the rich general that ran to him, he didn't use the Sabbath commandment to bring the knowledge of sin.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: He named five commandments but he didn't use the Sabbath, and I believe there's a reason for that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: The commandments he pointed to are recognizable as sin by a natural mind.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He shall not steal, shall not lie, shall not commit adultery, shall not kill.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: We know those are sin, but most unsay people don't realize failing to keep the Sabbath holy is a sin, failing to give God his Jews.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Same with Paul in Romans, chapter two, when he said you say you shall not steal, do you steal?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: You shall commit adultery.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: You commit adultery, touched on idols.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But he didn't say Sabbath.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Because the Sabbath isn't clearly recognizable as a sin by the counter mind.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the whole moral aspect.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Really, like you cited, it's not a moral command Right, go ahead, oscar.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I love the way you point out that all of this is pointing us back to the gospel and I was just thinking about, like, how different our relationship with God is and everything else in this world, because every other relationship that we have to some degree is quid pro quo.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: It's like you have to earn it, you have to keep it, you have to do something well, right.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: When you're a kid, you've got to work hard to get the right kind of grades to get to the school you want to get to.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: You've got to work hard to make the team and if you don't make the, you know, if you stop playing well, then you get kicked off the team.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: If you stop showing up to school, you're going to get kicked out of that college.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: If you know you work hard to get a job and if you show up with BO Ray will fire you.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Everything I mean all of our, even in our relationships like, look, there's some of us know, you know we have friends.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: We know that there's certain lines we can't cross.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: We have family members that have unfortunately abandoned us, with intent or not, you know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: The bottom line is that we know at some point, at some level, every relationship in our lives has some sort of quid pro quo.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: And then you turn to our relationship with Christ and, as you pointed out, the work has been done.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Jesus is our rest.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: We turn to Him, we have union with God because of the work of Christ and we, as God's people get to rest in delight in that finished work.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: I love that man, amen.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And you know, that's one of those things that again reminds me of the divine nature of the gospel.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It's so counterintuitive to what man would ever conceive or come up with, and you just start thinking about that that God himself was our substitute so he could spare us from God himself and give us eternal rest, like now.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I've talked about how, like when Christians I think one of the most offensive things to God is when Christians question his love for them.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you want?
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like someone who took a bullet for you, sold their house for you, gave you one of their kidneys, became homeless because of all they've done for you.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And you're standing there as they're lying on the sidewalk because of you and you look down at them and they look up at you and they say what's wrong?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: You look sad.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I just feel like you don't love me.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: What an insult.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: God demonstrated His own love toward us and that, while we were at center, christ died for us.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Like we need to when we're doubting God's love, we need to step back and slap ourselves in the face and say this is like the most atrocious thing imaginable.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he held nothing back.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the words of Jesus speaking about rest coming to me.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: All you, that labor and a heavy laden, and I'll give you rest.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And speaking of the laboring to enter heaven, the heavy ladeness of our own sins, this isn't all.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Give you rest.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the next quote I was gonna read MacArthur.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: He went on to say in the same vein there he said, jesus proclaimed come to me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It was an offer of an abiding Sabbath rest.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: He was the fulfillment of all the Sabbaths pictured and we don't need the picture if we have the reality.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Sabbaths are no more a part of the new covenant than animal sacrifices are.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Again, I know we have some brethren that beg to differ with us principally, but I like what you said, mark.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: We're agreed in that this is not as some and I think the Seventh Day Adventist would go in that vein of looking at it as meritorious.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Some of them don't.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: They say they keep the 10 commandments out of gratitude to God for his forgiveness.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But if they're gonna keep the 10 commandments they're obligated to keep the whole law, 613 percepts out of gratitude Right.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree there are some lip service given to it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But when you look at the way that a lot of them function and there are some different strains of Seventh Day Adventism, but a lot of them, I think, do function that way and then they go into the dietary law, where do you stop?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: When I was opening a preaching back in October in Hawaii, when we were filming out there, I had a couple of Seventh Day Adventists specifically that came up to the microphone and wanted to heckle and I found I don't know what you guys' experience is, but interacting with Seventh Day Adventists in this specific case they're very unreasonable.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's hard to just have a conversation with them and I remember this one gentleman there in Hawaii, you know, as we're ministering there.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Well, I remember that in Kondramark yeah and I remember asking him the question well, what does it mean to keep the Sabbath?
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: He said no work.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: And I said well, is it okay to cost somebody else to work?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: He said well, what do you mean?
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I said, well, do you go to restaurants?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Is it okay to cause?
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Because this is what you're doing?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: You're causing a server to work.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: He wouldn't have a job without you.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or if you had a plumbing problem, is it okay for a plumber to work at your house or an electrician to work at your house?
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, you think about all the work that actually is employed by Seventh Day Adventists on these days that you're actually not supposed to work.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: So we need to remain reasonable, right, we have nothing against our brethren who believe I think that we should keep the Sabbath defined as setting aside as a day of rest to recoup from what happened and thinking forward as to what is going to happen.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Well, good, you also realize that there's no meritous happenings between you and Christ.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, I fully understand that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Enjoy that day, whatever day that is.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Some of what you're saying about being heckled by Seventh Day Adventists.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: They shouldn't have been heckling you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: If they're Christians and you're a Christian, they should be grabbing Philippians, chapter one, and saying Christ is preached much in every way.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Even if some preach Christ out of contention and sincerely hoping to add affliction to my bonds, I still rejoice the gospel's been preached, so they should be praying for you rather than heckling you.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: And are they heckling on a Saturday?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of work.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It was a Saturday.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's interesting to just, principally whenever man becomes legalistic.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: You know the Jews, or the Pharisees.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: They added to the law.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's like 613 were not enough.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Let us improve on those you know, and Jesus talked about it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: You know all the things that they would interject.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Is breathing a work.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's insane when man takes over and wants to earn his way to God and so we just start adding things, but then what ends up happening inevitably is you get hypocrisy, you get loopholes that are because they realize, wait, I can't keep this, but I've instituted it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: What do I do now?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: So they would do things like you're not allowed to carry your clothes out of your house if it was burning on the Sabbath, but if you put them all on, you were good to go.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: You know you can't travel a certain amount of distance away from your house on the Sabbath, but if you deposited food in a bush that far away from your house, that becomes your home away from home, and now you can travel that much.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: That's 39 different kind of laws.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Sabbath, yeah, exactly, and so, but that's evidence of how-.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Are you serious that what they said?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You put food yeah that's just a story.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That means you could put food on a motorbike and just drive anywhere you want, because the food's in front of you.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Exactly just drop.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Throw a peanut in this bush, throw a peanut in that bush.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's pretty crazy when that happens.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: But again, because I want to drive this home to people, because again there's that conflict, but it's in the Ten Commandments.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And listen to what Scott Kluzendorf said.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: He said the Sabbath itself is not eternal but was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Exodus 31, 13 to 17, designates the day as a sign between me and you throughout your generations.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: As such, it is given to a specific people for a specific time to remind them of a specific covenant.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: That was Israel.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: The Mosaic one right.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: When the covenant is replaced with a new one, the sign that appointed to it the Sabbath no longer applies.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: True, the sign is said to be forever, but forever does not necessarily mean eternal, but forever until fulfilled.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: For example, various other elements of the Mosaic law were spoken of as permanent, including the administration of the Tabernacle, animal sacrifices and the priesthood.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: All these were fulfilled in Christ right, yes, I was just rubbing my nose, you really look like you're gonna say something.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: No.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So, man, there's so much more we could say and talk about, but I think we've covered it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: But I do want to end again by circling back to the importance of rest.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, I think for a lot of people, honestly, because we get in these rhythms, we're all different, we all rejuvenate and recuperate differently, and so I think it's important that we recognize that it's not one size fits all in that regard.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: But I do think there are some people that do not realize the benefit of rest, in the same way that a smoker doesn't realize how much more easily they breathe until after they've quit smoking and it's out of their system.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Or, like someone who's got wax build up in their ear for years and years and years, don't realize how bad their hearing was until that wax is taken out.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Or like someone wearing glasses they don't realize how bad their eyes are.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't when they get in their bath glasses prescription.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or someone's teeth were bad, until they get new teeth.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Or someone who's driving a car, or someone who wasn't wearing shoes, or someone who realizes they're not thirsty until they take a drink of water.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or someone who's dirty, but it's all.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Someone who's been drinking like coffee with milk in them until they finally realize that you don't have to put the milk in and it's like an amazing roll up.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much to get us on the path of insanity, does it?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys know what I'm saying, though.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Like that, there are people that don't recognize a benefit or a rest because they never rest, and if they did it, they'll be like whoa.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I've shared before how there was a company that did an experiment where they had their two sets of employees doing the same work, the same number of hours per day, but one did it for six with a day of rest, the other did it with seven with no rest.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: The one that did it for six with a day of rest not only produced more in quantity of that product but better in quality, and it just went to show like sharpening the act.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and often I've said to our staff I don't know if I should say this, but I've said to them individually if you wanna have a snooze anytime during the day, go ahead.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's no point in having an exhausted employee that just needs like a 10, 15 minute break because it's gonna rejuvenate them and that's what.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Often you have little snoozes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have sleep apnea and different things.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I get up super early too.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Having that little 20 minute power nap, that's like a Sabbath in my day, it's like it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It gives me a second wind, Sometimes even before the podcast, because I'll get up early, I'll come in, I'll be.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, during the podcast while we're talking up.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Notice you, just what do you mean?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I'm talking, I'm asleep right now.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I've been sleepwalking my whole life, but you know what I mean.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Like I'll take a quick 10 minute and I feel refreshed, I have energy to go and so, principally, man, it applies and we need to step back.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And again, oscar, I love what you shared about what you guys do as a family.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I love about.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: That is the intentionality, and it may look different for different people, but do we have a rhythm like that that says, look, a part of this is focus on the Lord.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: It's not just me resting.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I love the saying that says we don't work to rest, we rest to work.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: You know, we rest to continue serving the Lord and others.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think too.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Like you know, I think one of the things that we like to use the phrase with the kids is Sabbath Sunday is about delighting intentionally delighting in God, because the cultural way of describing work is it's like that we've talked about this before.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: It's like grind culture, hustle culture, which is like you rest so that you can be a more efficient worker.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: But, as we read the scriptures, there's definitely an efficiency aspect to rest, but there's also a delighting aspect you rest to delight in God, yeah that's really good, All right.
• 47:15
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• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I mean massive rest and friends.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Look, we've said this before, but it bears repeating.
• 47:25
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• 47:30
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• 47:33
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