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Mario Dedivanovic, Celebrity Makeup Artist and Founder/CEO of Makeup by Mario · Skin Anarchy

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  SPEAKER_01: Hi guys, welcome back to Skid Here Anarchy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a phenomenal guest for you guys today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know that you've seen his work everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you have not, then you need to come out of that rock that you're hiding under.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but without further ado, I want to introduce you guys to Mario Devanovic, who is also the founder of Makeup by Mario.
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  SPEAKER_01: So welcome to the show, Mario.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited you're here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's such an honor to host you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have been looking forward to this interview because I am such a huge fan of your work and it just, it's so, it's so beautiful and it looks so effortless, but I know there's a lot that goes behind it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I I would love to get started with you telling us how you got into makeup and how this whole journey began for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh it's a really long story, but um pretty much the way I officially sort of got into makeup is that when I was 17 years old, I, you know, I grew up in the Bronx and I'm a child of immigrant parents.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, makeup was like the last thing that I was sort of allowed to do, quote unquote.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um I I went to the city after high school at 17 and I stumbled upon Sephora, which was one of the, I believe it was like it was the flagship at that time, it was Rockefeller Center, and it was a three-story Sephora.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I remember I walked in and I just, you know, instinctively, I just knew that I wanted to work there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I remember I was with my mom and she sort of like took me back out of the revolving door.
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  SPEAKER_02: She goes, no, no, this is not the place for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was adamant, and so I went in and I applied, and you know, long story short, I eventually wound up getting the job, but not in makeup, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I didn't have experience in makeup.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so they hired me as a fragrance consultant.
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  SPEAKER_02: And but just from the very first day of working there, um, I started to sort of you know toy with the makeup and play with the makeup and help customers um with the makeup.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was just naturally a lot more attracted and and lean towards the makeup artistry.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and sort of I essentially just became obsessed with it, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I knew um sort of in the first day of working that that this is what I wanted to do for the rest of my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, it's it's a kind of a complex story, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: In those days, I had to also hide it for for for um like two or three years, especially in the beginning, because I couldn't let my family know that I was doing makeup, um, because that that would have been devastating and was devastating to them when they did find out.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, I I sort of my mother growing up worked in uh as a cleaning woman in the L'Oreal headquarters in New York.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think um when I saw that there was makeup artist brands there, such as Laura Mercier and Nars and um Vincent Longo and Stila, and there were all these brands that were founded by makeup artists, I sort of latched onto the idea of that um at 17 years old because in my mind I felt that that was my mother's only exposure to like the American dream or the business world was seeing the the executives of the makeup companies where she basically cleaned the offices.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I think in my mind, I was just like, well, this is what I'm gonna do, and this is what I'm gonna work towards.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna own a makeup brand, be a makeup artist, I'm gonna own a makeup brand and like make her happy, you know, or make her proud.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's sort of how it all started.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is so beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that you, you know, I love that you found a way around the adversity of just it's not acceptable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I mean, I I know, I mean, I'm also you know, the child of two immigrant parents, and I understand, I completely relate with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's a that's a beautiful way to turn that around and make it so positive.
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  SPEAKER_01: And wow, what a brand you have created.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm sure mom is very proud.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's very proud.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're all very proud now, thank God.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I want to I want to actually ask you though, because you know, your makeup is like whenever I um you know come across makeup artists that I really, really admire for their work, I always think of like like painting or just artists in general, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I just want to talk to you about the whole process of when you start doing makeup on somebody, like what is your process?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like what you know, getting ready to, you know, the whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you can walk us through that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Of of doing uh, for example, client's makeup, you mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like approaching a client, figuring out what's you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you know, with celebrity, because I work mainly obviously with celebrity, um, it's a little different than let's say, you know, in the early days working with you know, doing weddings and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, with celebrity, the process is sort of like, you know, you go to work and you sometimes collaborate.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're if you're at a photo shoot, you'd collaborate with photographer, stylist, art director, and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, if you are doing, let's say, a red carpet, which I do a lot of, you're collaborating more with just the the client, the hair and makeup, and then you know, the stylist that that's dressing them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, most celebrities will have sort of a signature or certain things and elements that they that they look really good in.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so they sort of carry those on throughout every look.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of my clients um are like that as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, we just kind of, you know, I just kind of work to make them look as beautiful as possible.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then sort of I I gauge that by, you know, towards the end of the process, I you can always tell when they look in the mirror and they sort of feel, okay, I'm ready to go out there now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so, you know, that's pretty much to sum it up, that's pretty much how the process works.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes I'll, you know, I'll have references that I'll show.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but most of the time when I'm working with my clients, I kind of know them and I know their face so well that um, you know, we change things and we evolve looks throughout the years and stuff, but there's always like that, those like few key elements that always remain uh signature or the same, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that that makes a lot of sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, it's interesting because I I wanted to actually um bring this up to you because I I feel like you'd have a great comment on it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is I was talking to Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Karam a while ago and he's a plastic uh reconstructive surgeon, and he we were talking about like the facial structure, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And we were discussing like like fascia and like muscles and just how the face is structured.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've always wondered, like, you know, from a makeup perspective, especially with things like contouring.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the way, Mario, I can't contour like my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've tried that's okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, you don't need to know how to contour, it's totally fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: How does that how does that work for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when you see this facial structure of somebody, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you just automatically know, like, okay, this is where I'm trying to go with this person, or does that really play a big role with makeup?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm just curious.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, for me, for me and for the type of artist that I that I am, the type of artistry that I do, um, I'm a very, I have a very architectural approach, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So for me, like kind of what gets me super inspired is you know, looking at the symmetry of the face and analyzing the face and seeing, well, how can I perfect this?
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  SPEAKER_02: How can I lift this?
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  SPEAKER_02: How can I lower this?
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  SPEAKER_02: How can I cinch this?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's sort of what the aspect of makeup artistry that I really love.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so, you know, hence why I became known as the contour king and this and that, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's an element of makeup artistry, it's the transformational aspect that I've always loved, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: More so than I guess you could say the creative side of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um for me, it's it's it's really about balance and symmetry and architecture of the face.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so um for me that is very important.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I tend to also, I guess, attract those types of clients that like that type of makeup as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's sort of a purpose for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and um, so yeah, I hope that answered the question.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: It did definitely.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that's that's the really important thing to understand is that architectural aspect because you know, whenever I talk to, you know, like it's just for me very interesting because the face is such an interesting canvas, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's already like a moving canvas.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's why I find it to be so unique that um everything that you said, because I'm not gonna lie, you know, when I first got into makeup, I was trying to teach myself, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, as a woman of color, there were not shades, blah, blah, blah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the whole field, you know, that story.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I was trying to learn makeup for myself, just my own face, those were some of the things that I was always curious about, like how makeup artists approach the architecture of the face, especially because it differs for us day to day.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, some days I wake up and I'm like, I can't use the same makeup I used like three days ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just won't look right, you know?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's a time and a place, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't think the makeup needs to be always the same, but I think that having sort of uh uh one a couple of like elements that you that you like to enhance, you know what I mean, um, could be like your everyday go-to, but I don't think uh the way that you approach a face is very important.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I also think there's a difference in in a makeup artist's approach with, let's say, a celebrity or or you know, a magazine cover versus the everyday person at home.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they should be the same, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: The the everyday person at home should just be a little a lot more effortless and not so strategic and not trying to sculpt their nose every day before they leave the house.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because let's face it, like that's a lot of pressure to put on the everyday person, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so we went through that whole phase of, you know, where the everyday person was doing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh this whole Instagram phase of the past, you know, six, seven, eight years.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think we've seen that sort of um uh we've seen that sort of go away a bit in this new TikTok generation, which tends to be, you know, they still obviously love makeup, but they're less polished and less professional.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're sort of more uninhibited and fun, and they go more natural with makeup and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's been nice to see that that shift in the industry as well.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, no, I absolutely agree with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you know, I second that Instagram uh makeup look that was driving me crazy for the entire time I was seeing it.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, do you guys realize I cannot wear eight pounds of powder out in public?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like Yeah, well, well, that's the thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the trick is that no one really talked about that during that time, but that makeup really is designed for light.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, really substantial lighting and and and YouTube and Instagram and editing and all that stuff, it doesn't really translate to everyday life, uh, you know, unless you're going out in front of, you know, you're gonna be seen by millions of people, you know.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, that really actually is a great segue into why I love your line because I feel like everything you're saying here and like the the true aspect of like just you know using makeup to look beautiful, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that really reflects in your line.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want to talk to you about how you came up with the products and and how you decided on, you know, what women and men really need like in their routines, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it's very hard to come up with a set of products to release.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to I I want to pick your brain a little bit about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, how was that whole process for you in terms of you know trans translating your experience into a makeup line?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, so basically that whole process number one, well, that's been the most challenging of my life, uh, but also like the most rewarding for sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, for me, how it happens is I want to basically take my techniques, which as a you know, as a a 22-year veteran makeup artist can be quite complex, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: I work with lots of pigments and lots of things, and I'm an educator and I'm on stage teaching, you know, lots of uh makeup artists and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But how do I now take this and really break it down, like really break it down and simplify it so that the person at home who's using the makeup can number one sort of be faster at their application, be smarter at their application, um, and and and be able to sort of recreate my my signature techniques, but in really no time and make it super effortless.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's kind of how it all starts.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, that's how kind of how the whole line evolved, like my soft sculpt collection, for example.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, when I'm when I'm sculpting a face, I typically will mix lots of little pigments and you know the back of my hand or on a palette, and then I will go and apply, and then I blend, and there's lots of little steps, but I wanted to make it literally, you know, completely foolproof, like just super smart and easy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I came up with the soft sculpt shaping stick, which is basically one stick and it has a brush on the other end that you can remove to wash off.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's also, you know, function uh is super, super important.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not just about aesthetic.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, and I kind of basically took my little, you know, my my sort of complex technique and I simplified it um to where you can literally do it in seconds and you don't need any additional products, you don't need palettes, you don't need brushes, everything is there in one.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's sort of what my purpose and what my goal is is to help the everyday person at home to be faster and smarter in their in their makeup application.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and that and that has to do with packaging, that has to do with formula, that has to do with the products and the shades.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I have a really incredible product development team here that I work closely with every day.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, yeah, it's just it's super exciting, it's very challenging, but it's sort of uh this new um, it's like a brand new thing for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I spent the last 20 plus years, you know, working on these really famous and powerful women um and teaching masterclasses and all this stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and now I sort of I'm creating for the everyday person and breaking down all of that that I did in the past 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's just been so inspiring for me and um such a pleasure, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, honestly, but it it when it comes to like, you know, especially with your background with um, you know, what you just said, it's like you're bringing that same amount of power and like just self, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Self-power.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when you feel good about yourself, you feel empowered, bringing that into the daily consumer's life, that is a huge feat.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that's the most I for me, that's what makes you really stand out a lot in terms of this industry because you know, I I've seen a lot of you know, we can we can talk for days about palettes, like eyeshadow palettes and stuff, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's like being able to have that one palette and then being able to use that everywhere you go.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just did swatches of your metallic palette, and I was literally raving.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not joking, raving.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: I can't everybody know the stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you know the story about that palette?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, please tell me.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: You don't okay, you'd appreciate this.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, so you can see me right now, right?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is the master metallic.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if you know, but so basically when I this was a part of my first collection, collection one, and I wanted to do obviously an extremely like universal uh uh universal palettes that are gonna work on everyone.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so like I began, this was in the very early stages of you know, before 2020, way before I launched.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I started doing research about you know shades, uh, you know, skin, skin skin colors, right?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: Skin tones.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so I came up with the master mats palette, which is based off of all human skin tones from dark to light or light to dark.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because when I'm working and I'm sculpting the eyes, I tend to do it with skin tones.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_02: I tend to do concealers or foundations and deeper, lighter tones.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so then I created the Master Maths palette, which is very, very unique.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a nude, beautiful, you know, everyday palette, but it's super unique in that the tones mimic skin rather than just colors.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, when it comes to the metallics, which we were talking about, this is the one that you just mentioned.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um basically I wanted to see, well, what are the what are the colors that are within our our bodies, right?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so then I began to research um the inside of the human body, right?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because we all have the same insides and the same colors.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you look microscopically, um, it's absolutely stunning at all these colors and cells that kind of come together.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so basically, you know, these are 12 of the shades that I that I found throughout that whole process of research.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: And then they're just, you know, literally, it's the shades I've loved for my entire career.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: So isn't that interesting how it kind of kind of at the end when it was all done, it was completely me because it was literally the same shades I was attracted to for the past 20 plus years.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um gosh, wow, the science nerd in me is just like screaming right now.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know you'd appreciate that one.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yes, I appreciate that.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that is what an amazing way to approach like color theory and stuff.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's really cool.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I I think that that's so interesting because you know, we always talk about things like, oh, how do the veins in your your arm look, right?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone's got that different shade.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really, really cool, Mario.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: This one actually is this one is actually after the vein, this um this number four shade over here.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, this one's yeah, but it it's it's such a beautiful color of like this bluish green, um, that it literally works on anyone from the fairest of skin to the deepest of skin.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's something, there's something there that's extremely interesting.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that why are these colors that you would think a blue or green wouldn't work on everyone?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: But there's it's a certain tone of blue green that we find within our bodies that just somehow look beautiful, you know.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think anything that honestly Mother Earth uh creates is is is like the most beautiful, you know.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I tend to stick with all these types of earthy tones always.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's solid.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that you said that because yeah, if it's you know, nature's got the answer.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I always say this to skincare brands, believe it or not.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you know, if you like we discovered penicillin from nature, you know, like what does that tell you guys?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, it's already there, just learn from it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that you've incorporated that.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think that, you know, especially with the earthy tones, like I want to talk to you about that.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you get a lot of like DMs or like um consumer requests for like crazy colors?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Because I always wonder like how that works for makeup lines.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, when do you launch that one product that's like just the crazy colors, right?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've I've never been a consumer for those color palettes, but I'm just curious because everyone um seems to be like, Well, I want to see something like nuts, and I'm like, why?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I mean, listen, I think I I see I don't see that on on my uh person, for example, on my personal accounts, because you know, I I've always used very natural colors.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: So in my approach, in my artistry, it's I have this thing in my mind where sort of even when the makeup is fully done and and the client looks extremely natural, uh, sorry, extremely glamorous.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: For me, there has to be an element I always ask myself, does she does she look like she could be born with this look?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: And if she doesn't, then it's not natural to me.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: So um it that being said, I don't I tend to not be very attracted to really bright, crazy colors.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't think that, you know, I think there's a consumer for that a hundred percent.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm not sure if it's mine though.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because for me, I I've I've come out with a couple of things in the past, like last holiday did like some fun blues and things like that, but you know, it's not something I use all the time.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: I have a whole entire bin and or a closet full of every color and you know thing you can imagine, but it's very rare that I use them.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: And so I kind of want to stay, you know, it's important to me to stay true to who I am as an artist and what I like, and that's sort of what I want to create.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I think at the end of the day, it's it's best that way, right?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think most people like those more natural and earthy tones.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's definitely a consumer for all that crazy stuff.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just not sure if it's me, you know.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I 100% um want to just say that's amazing because like I hate seeing brands do that.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you're propagating the Instagram face by doing that.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or following trends, or you know what I mean?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I have okay, I'm not gonna lie, I have a question about just everyday makeup because you know, I know it's a ha it's a hashtag, everyone wants that everyday makeup look, but really, you know, when we think about it, what is everyday makeup?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I want to ask you about more like mostly complexion products because I feel like that's where a lot of us get stuck is like finding the perfect thing to cover up whatever we need to cover up, but it's not looking cakey.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: So like what's what's the approach we should all take when we're like trying to find that makeup that's going to be used every single day?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, like you said before, I think it really depends.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like a one size fits all for everyone, right?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it really depends on each person.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, not just what they need or want or require, what they want to cover, but also their aesthetic, right?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, where you're going, what time of day is it?
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: But for me, I think everyday makeup, um definitely complexion, I would say just a little bit, you know what I mean?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: Not using a lot.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: If it's evening time, you use more.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: If it's daytime, you use just you know very minimal.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but depending on where you're going, depending on how bright it is outside or what time it is, um I think it's about finding, you know, the right foundation for yourself or the right concealer for yourself or the right powder for yourself.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because not every single brand is gonna work on you.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: Some are gonna work beautifully on you, and some are gonna sort of you know fight your skin and your complexion.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so it's about finding that, which by the way, um, we haven't launched yet any uh skin, uh, you know, any foundation concealer or powder yet, but we will be in the future.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm uh pretty, I can't wait for you to see it because it it's it's gonna be a game changer for sure.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's something I've been working so hard on, I'm so excited for.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but um, you know, because I love the I love to sort of correct and fix things, but I like it to look very natural.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's sort of what was my main goal.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I think that's sort of what everyday makeup is.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: For some people, it's no skin products, for some people it's just you know, mascara lip balm, right?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Which is great.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: And for others, it's it's about using um you know powders and concealers and foundations.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's all about just finding the right formula and also approaching it with a a sort of uh with a bit of restraint, you're like not going heavy, like you know, having control um and having a bit of restraint in your in your approach and application.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, and wow, I mean you just blew my mind with the you know, the the little announcement because I was literally gonna ask him to see a foundation.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, I can't wait.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like my it's my it's it's like I'm I've been waiting for this for years, literally, it's been my dream.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so you know, we've been working hard on it for uh for the past couple of years, and um I'm excited.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I can't say when it launches or anything, but it definitely is coming.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I am so excited because it was always sort of part of the big dream, you know.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm very excited.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait to see it.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, everything that you've honestly, the whole line is just so beautiful, and it shows how much thought and like just experience has gone into what you've made, you know, and I think that's really what sets apart like truly like iconic products from not.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: That amount of experience that the person has, whether that's skincare, whether that's makeup, whether that's whatever, you know what I mean?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: That you can't cut you can't compensate for that, you know?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so, like, with that, I I really want to ask you like for some tips for the everyday person that wants to like, for example, eyeshadow is something we all don't use every day, at least I don't.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, what are some like tips about like an everyday eyeshadow look that we could all like use and not feel like too you know out there, I guess?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, it's so funny.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: I actually I use very kind of I use actually very minimal eyeshadow in my looks.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I would say the master mats palette.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean literally just taking one shade.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, like if you could see this here, the master mats, depending on on your exact skin tone, but like I'll just literally take one shade and literally just like in one second, just kind of fill in the outer corner of the eye or like a little bit underneath.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, sometimes I'll just take a pencil, honestly, a brown pencil, um like my Master Pigment Pro Pencil.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: It has a little tiny brush on the other end that I that I put on the other end.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: So that um the main purpose of that was that I know a lot of people at home and even artists struggle with doing a liner or like doing a wing, especially, right?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so by having this little brush on the opposite end of it, um, I guess I could show it to you right here.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't have it right here, unfortunately, but I'll show you.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: This is the lip pencil, but it's the same concept, it has a brush on the other end.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so basically, what you do is you apply the line, you flip it over, and you just sort of smudge that line out so that it looks completely symmetric and natural, and it also doubles as an eyeshadow because you're smudging it into the lid.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's one product, it lasts all day, and it literally takes two seconds.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, that's that's sort of a tip I have for for eye.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't think that, you know, I don't think people should be doing these like extremely intricate and you know ornate eye looks every day uh to go to work because it kind of it's kind of weird, no?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um who has time, right?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Who has time to do all that?
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Also, who has time to like you walk in with like false eyelashes and like 15 shades of blue on your eyelids, it's gonna be very distracting, you know, for everyone around.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I I don't know, I don't get it either, but that's a really great tip.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that's interesting because I never uh for me, I never like get to wear eyeshadow, like you know, for work and stuff.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really cool.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna try and yeah, I think for me, like if I if I were to do my makeup every day, I mean I would probably every once in a while I'd kind of like splurge and and and sit down and take the time to do it.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: But as an artist, you know, a lot of times it takes it takes us two or three hours to do someone's face for these massive events or cover shoots and things like that.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_02: That it's like for every day, like who has time?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you just want to get it done quickly and and and you want it to work and you want to move on, you know.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, and you know, I actually want to ask you, Mario, because I've seen you do this a lot and I absolutely love it.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like use your fingers and your hands to like really play with the makeup and move it around on the client's face.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I really love that.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I not gonna lie to you, my favorite like makeup application, uh I guess tool are my my fingers because I use them for like you know, eyeshadow everything.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's I just you know what I mean.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted you to talk about that a little bit because I feel like we've gotten into this world of like there's a makeup brush for everything, and it's like do consumers don't need that, you know.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like makeup artists, obviously, you guys have a whole different idea, you know, you're doing something totally different, but like consumers don't need those intricate makeup sets, right?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Break brush sets.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted you to talk about makeup application.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think some, I mean it depends.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you definitely need some great brushes, right?
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because you you you know sometimes you're in a rush or you don't want to, you know, you don't want to dirty your hands or you don't want to use your hands.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes a brush is better than a hand, but there's nothing like the fingers.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, like there are certain things that I do or certain times I need to blend something on the face that only my finger can do it, right?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's no brush that can that can achieve what I'm trying to quickly do with my finger.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's the skin on skin contact, it's the warmth that sort of melts the product.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so yeah, I think fingers are definitely uh one of your best uh tools, hands down, um, especially when doing complexion products.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: To really be able to get in there and you know the curves of your face and your skin.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so um, I think the fingers are an incredible uh blending and application tool.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: I like yeah, I completely agree with you.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I'm gonna ask you like as a follow-up about like any tips for you know, for us people that are like I'm in my mid-30s and I'm starting to see obviously, you know, signs of aging and stuff.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: And that makes makeup application that much harder, I feel like, because there's new, you know, like lines and things you have to maneuver around.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: So um, do you have any like, you know, I guess suggestions about when we're approaching things like you know, wrinkles or maybe just you know, not as elastic skin as it used to be.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, anything that we can really kind of hold on to and and keep in mind when we're doing our makeup.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think you know, I I've been through that phase myself.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm almost well, I'm gonna be 40 this year.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can't believe it.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I think you're you're again the approach has to be a little bit lesser, it has to be a little bit of a softer approach.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: You can't sort of handle as much as you did, let's say when you had younger, more tight, you know, more tight skin.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so just in general, with everything, I think it should be like uh slightly softer as you age, um, less product.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, like let's say if you're in your 20s and you were doing the baking technique where you're packing powder on with a sponge underneath your eye, you know, you can't do that in your 40s because it's going to enhance all of your lines if that, you know, if that's a concern for you.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so you would instead just take a tiny bit, you know, the very the the slightest little dusting and sort of just kind of set your under eyes with that.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that way, you know, it's gonna reflect the light nicely, and you're not gonna have you know an enhanced sort of uh under-eye lines and all that stuff.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: So I think really it's just and also a case-by-case basis, it's not a one-size-fits-all, but generally speaking, I really do think that you know, as you're getting older, I think that the approach has to be a little bit softer.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know what I mean?
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to go too harsh, you don't want to see any harsh lines and things like that.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, that's that's really important because I feel like I I see a lot of people that are starting to age, and I'm just like, oh gosh, okay, we need to, you know, we need to reevaluate how you're doing your makeup.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, or like another another simple thing, for example, with skin, right?
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh let's say you have a foundation you love, you've been using it for years, but you're starting to feel like, why is it looking a little bit heavier on me?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you mix it with a tiny bit of moisturizer and and then apply it, and it's sort of like, you know, it has a it has a drastically sort of different effect, even though it's such a small little move.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's like mixing it and thinning it out with with moisturizer, but it makes a big difference and your skin feels more uh you know, uh glowy and feels more radiant and younger and all that stuff.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just like it's about finding little things like that or just lessening uh each each aspect of it.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and like striking your own balance.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, and that really actually is that's one of the big questions I had um to kind of round out the episode was the skincare aspect is like what are some of your favorite types of skincare products to use prior to makeup application?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm quite simple when it comes to that for myself and also on my clients.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I'm lucky though that obviously my you know my clients sort of show up on the makeup chair and they are fully, you know, they say they basically they take care of their skin, you know what I mean?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_02: They do treatments and they have dermatologists and all that stuff.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I typically don't have to really worry about that as much.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: But um for me, I like very emollient moisturizers uh when I work because uh I guess the main reason would be that it allows me to use powder and it makes the powder look less powdery because um when you have a very emollient base on whether you're oily skin or dry, um once you apply that powder a few minutes later and you're setting it, that powder then begins to look like skin because the emollient moisturizer has sort of wrapped it, you know, and made it part of the skin.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's like my one thing with skincare is that I like moisture and I like a very emollient base.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: And and for that, right now, I kind of change my the brands that I use from time to time.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right now, I've been using the um Augustina Spader um batter, sorry, Augustine's batter, um uh the cream, the cream and the rich cream.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll mix them.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that's sort of what I'm using right now um for the past like I'd say year and a half or two.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing products, by the way.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm obsessed.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was when I was I interviewed them and I literally was just like, I don't think it gets more sophisticated than this when it comes to the science of skin.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like it was yeah, no, it's and it feels so good too.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I use it on myself every single day, and it's just like I I look forward to it, and I love products that you actually look forward to using because typically you don't really look forward to using products.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but with that, with that brand, I I certainly do.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, and you know, Mario, I just want to round out the episode um by just asking you for some some words of wisdom and some advice for all of those um makeup artists out there that might be struggling or you're just looking to find your your niche and you just get off the ground, right?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want you to offer some advice if you can for everyone that's aspiring to be, you know, really great at makeup.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_02: For makeup artists?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's a lot of things I would advise, but you know, I think it it really I think number one, you mentioned something about niche before.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's number one is to help yourself um, you know, get there is number one, figure out what you want to do.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: What is your niche?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to work in fashion?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to work um in retail?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to work on celebrity?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta figure that part out first.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um and thankfully, I did that at a very young age.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and once you figure that out, then you sort of take the next step and like, well, who's you know, who do you love in that in that area of work?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Who do you love, what do you look up to?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, is there a way you could contact them and try to assist them, right?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, research, you know, is very, very important.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_02: The internet, reading, social media, um, things like that, taking classes and everything like that.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I think also it depends on where you live.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know, some people are naturally gonna have a lot more opportunity if they're living in like in New York, London, Paris, LA, you know, versus someone that's living, let's say Nebraska or you know, other places.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: So um, you know, there's that element of it too, uh, is you know, possibly moving eventually if you can to a place if you want to get really serious about it.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think assisting is one of my top three um, you know, pieces of advice for beginning makeup artists.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: And also knowing that it's not just talent.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know, talent, I really think talent is only 50% of it.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: Really, it's half of it for me.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's about your demeanor, it's about your professionalism, it is about your, you know, uh your ability to sort of feel a client out and their body, you know, their body language and and and intuition, right?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: To know intuitively what this client is wanting or what direction they're wanting to go.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: And all of that stuff, um, and especially your demeanor, attitude, personality, professionalism is just as important as a talent.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: You can't just have one and not the other.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: So you need to have both of those.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's a very uh that would be a critical piece of advice, I think, for for any McDonald's.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now I hope everyone heard that.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I agree.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think the work you're doing is just so amazing.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish I had you when I was like 13 years old trying to figure out, you know, what's gonna look on dark brown eyes, right?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you're just you're brilliant, and I really admire your work.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you so much for this honor and this opportunity to chat with you.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was my pleasure.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_02: I had so much fun.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, likewise.
• 33:05
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• 33:08
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• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: But thank you, Mario.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: This was wonderful.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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