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Guest On AM Coffee with Royce D'Orazio · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome to an AM Coffee.
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I am here with George Fontes, World of Blaze, which it continues to be.
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How are you, sir?
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Man, I'm good. Appreciate you having me on.
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I actually tune into your Sunday mornings, even though I'm on the West Coast,
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because I'm such an early bird. I can barely sleep half the time.
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So you're one of the few that are on live that I would listen to,
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because I respect you, and we've chatted a few times.
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So I'm like, yeah, I'll tune in and have the opportunity to be on the show with you this morning.
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It works out great and happy to be here, man.
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Yeah, thank you. I'm in the field, but we'll do a proper video sit down next time.
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Yeah, no worries. I'm good.
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So tell me, what's on your mind? We were kind of just talking a little AI before we went.
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Yeah, I brought that up because when we've always conversated, you bring up AI and where things are going.
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and I had an interesting
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AI related experience
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when it came to
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the Google AI.
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So when you could do searches and it says
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go deep with AI, you have a little tab up there
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to the left. And the reason
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this happened is I just had a guest on yesterday.
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He's an intelligence analyst
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and we're talking about many different topics.
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And while I'm trying to edit the show,
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I was like, oh, I think he changed his logo.
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So I was like, I just did a search for his new logo,
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downloaded it, I was going to put it into the video
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and then all of a sudden I'm like,
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I see all these explanations about him and his podcast.
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And I was like, all right,
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well, let me go down this AI rabbit hole,
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see what it says and see how accurate it is.
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So it gives a summary
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and we're going through this whole thing.
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Me and AI are going back and forth.
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I'm clicking all the links.
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I'm like, all right, let me see what it says about me.
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Cause I was like, I've never done this before.
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And it had a summary that was pulled from my description.
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Right.
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And there's these links that go deeper
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and it starts to put me in this box
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or categorize me as someone who is pro-Israel, pro-war, wants to take over Gaza, and I support
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everything Trump does. Now, that being said, you know I lean right, so I am a bit conservative,
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but it doesn't mean I agree with everything Trump does. So I start clicking these links,
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and I'm like, well, okay, it says for further information, click here on, for example,
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what I feel about Trump's policy. What did I say about Hamas? What did I say about Gaza?
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And the more I go down this rabbit hole, it starts to literally frame me as a right-wing, pro-Israel, pro-war, anti-Palestine person.
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I'm like, wow.
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And so I finally tell AI, I said, hey, this is George Fonts.
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I was like, where are you getting this information?
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And it's responding, well, based on things that you have said and posted and this and that.
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I'm like, huh.
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So I responded saying, well, you took everything I said adequately.
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context, I said, I still challenge where you got your information. And it eventually admitted to me
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and it actually apologized and said, well, I got your information based on titles of my podcast
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and descriptions. And I was like, oh, so you're just gleaming like descriptions and titles and
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assuming that is everything that I am personally saying and standing behind.
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It's taking the metadata and profiling.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, wait a minute.
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So when I saw this, I was like, well, how is that translating to people out there searching for people like me or you or anybody when you get this AI summary of you that is taken out of context and doesn't really relate to what you're actually saying or what you believe in?
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I thought I shared that because I was like, wow, that was eye-opening.
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You know, it's stating where we're at.
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Yeah, well, it's kind of like the algorithm as a whole
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where it takes what you're looking at
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and feeds it to you because it's, you know,
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it feeds you more of it
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because it thinks that's your interest.
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So if you stop, if you're scrolling on TikTok
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and you stop too long on a video,
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it is saying you like it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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There's no nuance there.
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So the idea that you are being judged
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based off of headlines is,
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I mean, obviously that is surface level.
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It's not going granular.
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It's not getting into the conversation.
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I would wonder, do you do transcriptions in your show?
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I think my host does it automatically,
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but I don't outright click the link to do it or anything.
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Maybe I should. I don't know.
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I'm just wondering if it would actually use that data.
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If there was that much metadata, would that start to alter?
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Would it be nuanced enough to look at the conversation as a whole
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and make an opinion?
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Yeah, you're right.
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And to me, this also revealed the limitations because everybody thinks that AI is so advanced.
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Everyone thinks, oh, they're listening, right?
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That it's like listening to everything you're saying.
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Well, it's obviously not scanning podcast episodes or anything on YouTube and actually listening to the audio and then summarizing what is going on.
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It's just reading text right now.
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but I find it revealing because we can always be categorized or be surmised to be something we're
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not, which can actually hurt us out there in the world in terms of what we're trying to say and
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represent. So I thought you would find that interesting. I thought I'd share that with you
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because I was like, wow, I didn't know this is what they thought of me out there as far as
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Google or AI anyway. So that was very interesting. It's the spread of information too fast because
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in the age of Nielsen ratings,
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you were still generalized.
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A Nielsen box would categorize
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and put you in a,
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no pun intended,
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literally put you in a box, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This is just it happening faster.
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Right.
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And there's no way to put Pandora
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back in the box, if you will.
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I mean, I would like to think
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that if you did what we just discussed
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with the metadata,
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that that would alter things.
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I don't think they're going that deep, and I don't think they're going to waste compute power in the name of accuracy.
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I agree. And this whole surface level view of who people are is really, I think, it's really hurting society, in my opinion, because there's too much gleaming of skimming the top but not going any deeper.
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and everyone just walks away with this misrepresentation
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of what's really happening in terms of conflicts,
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geopolitical events, et cetera,
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and even just who you or I are as a person.
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And it's like, how do we fight that?
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I mean, yeah, like you said,
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maybe transcriptions, more metadata, et cetera,
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but I'm not sure it's really ready or prepared to go that deep
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or even if it wants to,
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or whoever's pulling the strings wants to go that deep.
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No, I think AI is biased, obviously.
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So, and look, I've gotten in full on arguments with AI about, I've asked AI for its advice on something, something that I'm well-versed in.
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I can't even remember what the conversation was all the time.
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And it was wrong.
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And I was like, no, you're wrong.
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And it was like, no, no, I'm right.
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I'm like, no, you're, oh, it was arcade.
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It was arcade repair.
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Okay.
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So I'm like very well-versed in arcade repair.
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And it starts telling me about Nintendo PCBs and logic boards and the serial number assignments.
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And I'm like, no, that's not right.
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Like, that's wrong.
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Like that's wrong.
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And to the extent that I started doubting what I know I know.
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And I went off of AI and kind of went back to my old resources.
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And of course, I was correct.
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But all it's doing is glorify Google search.
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It is.
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It's literally just an aggregator of info.
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and then it's just trying to collect it
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and then come up with its own
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summarization of what it is.
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I had the same experience that you had
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when I was arguing with Grok, to be honest.
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And I won't say specifically
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what the argument was about,
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but it did have to do with a geopolitical event.
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And so another political commentator,
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by the way, people can't say this
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if I'm doing air quotes,
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made a statement about a conflict
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that was going on at the time.
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And I pushed back on the guy
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because I know my history of the region.
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and one of his supporters
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used Grok to try to debunk me.
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So I was like, oh, really?
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Okay, well, Grok's wrong.
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So I went down this rabbit hole with Grok
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and Grok eventually got backed into a corner
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and admitted that I was right.
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I was like, what?
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Yeah, no, I remember,
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oh God, when I first started messing with ChatGPT,
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so it had been a year and a half ago.
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And I was like, so who?
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You know, I do the Disney live streams
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and I've been doing that about 10 years.
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So I'm like, who do you think would make a good CEO,
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successor to Bob Iger?
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Huh.
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And I said, give me your top five.
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And one of the people that gave me was an executive,
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a former Google executive.
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But she passed away six months before I hit that search.
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Wow.
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And it recommended her.
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And I said, Susan has passed away.
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She passed away from cancer.
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and AI said,
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my search do not show anything
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related to her.
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That's crazy.
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And they kept endorsing her.
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And I said, no, no, no, no, no.
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It took me pushing back
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three, maybe four times
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before it decided to go deeper
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and said upon further research,
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she went for it.
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Well, okay, a couple more things
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since we're on AI.
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One, the study or report
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that came out that
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admitted that AI right now
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is not reliable
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in terms of implementing safety
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features with robots.
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I don't know if you read that or if you saw that headline.
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Okay, so...
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But you had me at AI is not
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reliable.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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I think Sam Altman
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also was in the news
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where... I think it was Sam Altman. I got to double
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check. I have the news
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the report saved, but you can
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fact check me on this, but I believe with Sam Altman,
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they just invested about 30, I think it was a million or billion, let's just say a million,
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into genetic embryo
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manipulation, basically. Genetic coding, which I found interesting
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as well. Someone who's at the forefront of AI wants to
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get involved in manipulating the human genome.
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Interesting.
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uh yeah well look i mean sam altman is a is a slippery character i think most of these guys
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are we talked about elon i think the last time we chatted yeah we did these these guys uh not only
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do they not have any any ethic or more more ethical or moral compass um i don't i don't think
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they have the discipline to lead us into the future with ai now scott who i work with who i
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think it just jumped in here um made a comment when i had him on the podcast a couple weeks ago
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that we may hit the bubble before we we actually get where we're going and i first and i'm excited
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to believe that's true yeah i i think i agree with that statement i do absolutely yeah um so
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outside of that i mean you know the world right now is crazy um again i i just had that conversation
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with Kervin Oakwin.
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He's an ex-Army intelligence analyst
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and he's actually still in the intelligence community.
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So, you know, some stuff we talk about,
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he can't reveal exact things
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for reasons I don't really have to explain, I'm sure.
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But live right now.
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Yeah.
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Thank you so much.
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Excuse me.
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What did I tell you, George?
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Oh, I don't know.
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No, no, no.
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What I told you before.
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Anyway, go on.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I apologize.
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Go continue.
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I'm sorry.
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I didn't hear you.
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So the conversation, first off, we talked about Venezuela.
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And I don't want to get too deep into that.
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I'll just say that there's a lot going on that we don't understand with that situation.
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And a lot of it can be a strategic move by the United States.
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Other things may be to, you know, basically what Maduro is doing is to try to gain favor with the people because of the, you know, they're not really aligned right now.
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the government and the people there.
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But as far as like the Gerald Ford going over to that giant,
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you know,
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warship,
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the biggest one we have was actually rerouted there because it was already
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done.
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What was going on over in the middle East.
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So it wasn't like it was a intentional move for,
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for example,
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but it was something that they had to do where we start talking about China's
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involvement over there with the Panama canal and their other,
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their other investments that they're trying to make to control that area.
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And so the more the more we talked it like this operation that was just announced And the thing about these operations that he explained from his military background was like look just because there an operation announced doesn mean we actually doing anything
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He said a lot of times they have to say that there's an operation, for example, for funding because the military is very bureaucratic.
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And so this just sets things up for them to get funding for the operation, to try to get personnel in line.
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but it doesn't mean we're actually taking military action,
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even though Venezuela is taking it that way.
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But we did talk about, well, I kind of pushed back.
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It was like, well, what's going on in your mind
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or what you think?
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Because what about what's going on
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with the narco-terrorists, right?
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Why are we just blowing these people up?
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And we can argue about due process and all that.
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But the reality is, you know,
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these narco organizations were designated as terrorists.
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So there's a fine line there
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where the military could take action or not.
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But at the same time, I told Kerwin, I was like, and he agreed with me.
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It's like with all the training our military has and how proficient we are, why are we not, if this is who we know to be narcos, for example, why are we not just taking these boats over and arresting these people instead of just blasting them?
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I get you can take the whole anti-terrorist side, but at the same time, you know, these operations when it comes to narcos from everyone I've talked to that is like ex-DEA agents and FBI is they already know what's going on.
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They know the trade route.
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They know exactly what's happening.
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They know who the players are.
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And they don't engage military, for example, or Coast Guard until they know.
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They always work jointly.
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And a lot of the information in intel is based on what the DEA is providing.
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So these operations, these investigations are in effect.
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And so there's that side of it that a lot of us aren't told.
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but at the same time,
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it's like,
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should we be like shooting and destroying before we actually,
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you know,
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get these people and interrogate them and find out what's really happening.
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It was a very interesting conversation.
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And it still leaves me asking questions.
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Let's just put it that way.
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And,
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you know,
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there's that possibility of like,
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well,
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are we setting ourselves up for regime,
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regime change in Venezuela?
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Well,
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maybe I'm not really sure,
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but it was,
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it was an interesting conversation for sure.
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and again I walked away with probably more questions than I have answers for
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but at least I can say that everyone who thinks that there's
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actual military action like of course Trump mobilizing 16,000
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troops well that's already part of what's going on with
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Southcom or the southern area of responsibility like the commanding
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military position out there it's not that we're mobilizing troops to invade
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so again I thought that was a bit eye opening I thought I'd share that
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with everyone as well?
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Yeah, look, I'm
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still of the mindset
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and I know there's like a
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broad point, but
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when it comes to anything we're doing abroad,
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I'm looking at it and I'm going, where
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is America first? I didn't
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vote for this guy
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and I'm curious how you feel, but I'm
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like, where is America first?
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We're just now getting out of this government shutdown.
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Where
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are our leaders prioritizing
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our problem?
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I can go on about what's going on around the world.
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I had my opinions on how to handle terrorism.
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I had my opinions on us imposing regime change.
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But when it all comes down to it,
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it should all be second fiddle
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to taking care of the American people.
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And I don't know how you as someone that supports
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this admin reconciles.
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And it's also getting very noisy around politics.
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No, it's all right.
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I just feel like I'm sitting down having coffee
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with you at a restaurant, which is really cool. I'll be honest, man. I am not necessarily in favor
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of regime change for the reason that who is next in line is not always the better option.
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And I think that geopolitics, a lot of people don't understand. There's a lot of nuance.
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And I think a lot of people, not to offend anybody, by the way, I'm not offending anybody,
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but a lot of people are naive to how geopolitics works. It's literally about power and control.
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It's asserting your global position to be the leader of the world or the authority.
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Now, we can disagree with everything the U.S. does.
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Example, I'm with you.
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You've said it before.
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I don't believe we need to be funding as many people as we do.
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Like, we literally fund, I think it was last time, 220 or 240 countries and territories around the entire globe.
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And the first thing everybody thinks about is how much money are we sending to Israel?
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Yes, we send them, honestly, in my opinion, too much money.
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but at the same time,
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they're not the only people we're funding.
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We're not.
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And so what you got to look at
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is from this perspective
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is a lot of this funding,
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this aid,
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is a way of the United States
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creating inroads to relationships.
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And in some cases,
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people may disagree with this,
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which is fine,
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but the reality is
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it's also where we're positioning ourselves
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to have leverage.
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Okay?
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So it's a dirty game.
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It really is.
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I don't agree with everything
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that we do whatsoever.
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But if we step out
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and create that vacuum,
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are we ready for China
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to take up the mantle?
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Are we ready for Putin
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to take up the mantle,
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for example?
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Both of those guys
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are standing off to the side
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just waiting to pound.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, you're right.
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You're absolutely right.
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And so, anyway,
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that's just my opinion.
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And I'm not saying
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that I'm right.
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My opinion is not necessarily
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the end-all be-all
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in that situation.
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But when it comes to geopolitics,
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it is dirty.
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There is a reason
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these things are done.
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and no, I don't agree with it all.
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As far as America first, yes,
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agree with you. I think for way
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too long, we've put our interests
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to the side for the interests
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of others, but
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I don't believe in America
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only. We can't be
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this island nation either.
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I agree, but when you
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sell something like that on the campaign
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trail. Oh yeah, you're talking about
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Trump. Yeah, and then
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all you're doing is focusing on what's
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abroad, and I understand, particularly with Israel.
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I mean, the strategic relationship has always been about having a foothold in the region.
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It's always been about oil.
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Yeah, well, yeah.
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Most of the least is absolutely about that.
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I always get shredded when I say this, but it's the one thing that the right and the left in Congress support unequivocally is Israel.
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And I say that as a Jewish American, and I get a lot of pushback for them.
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But it's the truth.
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I'm like, you got to question that the one thing that they all agree on unequivocally.
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And I'm not anti, I support Israel.
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I support the people of the region.
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I don't support the leaders of either government.
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That's an important distinction though.
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You know, a lot of people don't get,
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it's like criticizing the nation state or government Israel
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is different than criticizing the Jewish people.
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For example, it's the same as saying
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everything Trump does represents every American.
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It just doesn't equate.
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It's not the same.
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No, well, it does on the global stage, but that's just because that's...
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Well, understood, but then the argument is also that Netanyahu represents all Jews.
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No, he represents all Israeli people.
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Not everyone is real Jewish.
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That's a huge distinction.
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That's a very different...
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One's a nationality, one's a religion.
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Right, just saying.
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That's a level of nuance.
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Oh, understood.
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Netanyahu's actions represent, based on what you're theorizing,
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that now that one who's actioned represent the israeli people not the jewish people
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and that's where alchemism gets brought to the state side here domestically and that gets
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consulated with israel's policy but israel is not judaism they are very well yeah true but there
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i mean we as a jew as someone who's jewish you i mean you got you have to all submit there's only
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one jewish state oh i have issues with that but this is very separate from the reality that
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Israel may be a Jewish state,
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but the Israeli people are a mixed bag.
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There are Muslims, there are Christians,
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there are Jews. I mean, you go to Israel for Christmas,
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there's Christmas trees up in the mall.
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Of course, and I am not saying
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it's not diverse. No, no, no, but I'm saying
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we live in
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a very black and white world,
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even though it's, let me just
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phrase that, people live in a very black
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and white world. Yeah, it's gray.
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And so there's a level of nuance
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there that doesn't get really broken
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down, and then I think that means
21:31
anti-Semitism.
21:34
I'm not disagreeing with you.
21:35
That's why I have a problem with Netanyahu,
21:38
by the way. I can't stand Netanyahu.
21:39
Yeah, we see it pretty
21:41
much the same way, man.
21:43
I think people are conflating
21:46
the government of Israel and their
21:47
actions with what
21:50
the people of Israel really want.
21:52
And I guess that's
21:54
the better way to say this.
21:56
I think the people of Israel,
21:57
I mean, I talked to Mark Stillman a couple times here
21:59
on Substack. I think the people of Israel want stability
22:01
in the region. I think generally speaking,
22:03
that's not coming from Netanyahu.
22:07
And I think
22:07
most people also support the
22:09
Palestinian people.
22:09
Most people in that region support the Palestinian
22:12
people.
22:13
Are we to say then
22:15
that the Israeli people,
22:18
I mean, I don't think Netanyahu
22:19
is, after this going on,
22:21
I don't know if he's going to be voted back in
22:24
or continue his reign here.
22:25
Well, if he does, it'll be through corruption. It won't be
22:27
through anything legitimate.
22:28
true i agree with that well yeah i can't stand beating that yeah i agree but listen i i this is
22:38
getting really noisy here and i want to give you my full attention and i feel like i'm being inundated
22:42
by people and what i was saying to you earlier someone just came up to me and started talking
22:45
to me and i was like i'm live right now and she's like oh i don't care i just want to talk to you
22:49
i'm like no i i do i do i'm talking to george right now no you're it's it's all fine all i hear
22:57
chat in the background it's okay same same same uh but look look so what i want to do maybe maybe
23:04
even next sunday if you're up for it i don't i don't know what your schedule looks like maybe
23:08
we sit down i can do a proper chat face to face um i feel like uh we get more mileage out of those
23:13
chats doing it that way well i mean there's it's um there's there's a lot lost when you can't see
23:18
people's faces and reactions for sure yes but you know that that being that being said i mean look
23:25
I think this is
23:28
I still like this opportunity with you
23:30
appreciate it
23:32
but
23:33
you know
23:35
it's just that
23:36
what we're talking about
23:38
earlier with geopolitics
23:41
you know for example
23:42
AI
23:43
it's just
23:44
let's just change this a bit
23:47
it's just so crazy
23:48
how the world's become
23:50
and I think a lot of
23:51
what's going on too
23:52
outside of like
23:53
what's really
23:53
what the governments
23:54
of these nations are really doing,
23:56
how the information space,
23:58
this information warfare has become what it is today
24:02
and how people are led by likes, clicks,
24:05
and the number of followers.
24:07
And that's another conversation I had recently.
24:09
And I know that you and I talked about this
24:11
before a little bit,
24:12
but it seems like it's been ramping up.
24:14
Can we not attribute a lot of this anti-Semitism,
24:17
for example,
24:19
to just what's being stirred up on social media?
24:23
yeah excellent excellent yeah and and with that being said it's it's like i think a lot of people
24:30
like look we use social media everybody that's listening around here right now is using social
24:35
media i don't have a problem with it whatsoever but i think a lot of people need to understand
24:39
this isn't the real world because soon as you i mean more more to the point x for example that
24:44
that place is i i can't even i have to step away many times because it's so convoluted with i'm
24:49
barely on it these days. I've taken a huge break
24:52
because it's just such negative energy.
24:54
It's the intent
24:55
behind the algorithm is so negative.
24:58
Right. Well,
24:59
where I'm going with this is when I'm getting back to these
25:01
political commentators, I'm not going to name anyone
25:03
out. I do it on my show, but I won't do it on yours.
25:05
I'll name whoever you want. What do I do?
25:07
All right. Well, okay. So when we're talking
25:09
about, let me just throw someone out.
25:12
Let's say like Dave Smith. I don't know. I have a thing
25:13
with him lately for whatever reason.
25:15
But this is just for example's
25:17
sake, everybody. I'm not
25:18
I'm not necessarily bashing him, but this is what I'm going to tell everybody, is a lot of these people think they're extremely relevant on the big stage, for example.
25:28
They believe that their political reach and what they have to say is accepted and backed by everybody.
25:35
When I was doing the numbers, I realized there was like 300, I think it was 346 or 42 million people in the United States.
25:42
So of those people, 111 million are actually on X.
25:47
So it's less than half, right?
25:48
And then if you take that number and apply it to how many voter people there are in the USA there only 284 million voter persons So less than half of those voter persons are using X Also only 59 of X users actually use it and engage
26:08
for political reasons. So people like Dave Smith, for example, and myself too, I mean,
26:14
I'll include myself, we're only actually talking to maybe 30% of the voter-aged people of the
26:22
United States of America?
26:23
And I mean,
26:24
you're not even looking
26:24
at the numbers
26:25
that disenfranchised,
26:26
right?
26:26
All the people
26:26
that don't even vote.
26:27
So yeah,
26:28
you have a very small amount
26:29
of loud people
26:30
driving the narrative.
26:31
Exactly.
26:32
Even in quote-unquote
26:33
alternative media.
26:35
Which is crazy.
26:36
Oh, I agree.
26:38
I'm just hoping
26:39
that one day,
26:40
you know,
26:41
people will question more
26:42
and I get it
26:43
because we don't have the time.
26:44
Like,
26:45
you know,
26:46
myself included,
26:46
like,
26:47
we have our routines,
26:48
we have everything we're doing
26:49
throughout the day
26:49
and,
26:50
you know,
26:51
you're busy,
26:52
you're taking the kids, let's say, to soccer or whatever you're doing, right? You have all these
26:56
schedules, your work, your job, and you see a headline pop up. You're like, oh, wow, that's
26:59
what's happening. And you don't necessarily have the time to do a deeper dive. So I get it.
27:04
I wish people would stop just taking the headline or just gleaming the surface and taking it for
27:09
face value. I want to, at some point, see more people question and do their own research.
27:14
I think that's another issue that we're having. Same thing that happened to me with the AI search,
27:19
right? That's exactly it. That's the problem,
27:21
George, because
27:22
there are two types of people. They're going to be the people
27:25
that trust everything that AI says to them,
27:27
and it's going to dumb them down because they're going to
27:28
accept all the erroneous
27:31
results as facts.
27:33
And then there's the type of people that are going to
27:35
understand that it's just there to optimize
27:37
and that you can't just use
27:39
it without stat checking it. You can't have
27:41
it right for you without rereading
27:43
it. You can't have it.
27:44
It's a multiplier. It's not a
27:47
replacement to it. So I think it's
27:49
going to do great for guys like us that recognize that and are willing to do the diligence but i
27:52
think the mass population is going to wind up getting swept up in the the fact that they will
27:58
no longer be able to tell what's real and that's what um important you know what royce i just saw
28:04
this pop up ronald is trumpism a cult um you know what that's that's funny because i was going to
28:11
actually segue a little bit with you into what you yourself have you know your opinion on this
28:17
MAGA conservative infighting is.
28:20
But as far as
28:22
is Trumpism a cult,
28:24
I think that
28:26
MAGA right now,
28:28
since that's
28:30
the hot topic these days,
28:32
I think a lot of people are cult-like.
28:35
But I don't think
28:36
it's just limited to MAGA. Let me just clarify
28:38
that. But I think it transcends
28:40
politics. I think it's social media as a whole.
28:43
Yeah, yeah.
28:44
But when it does come to politics,
28:45
there is a lot of cultism in,
28:48
or cult-like behavior in politics in general.
28:51
That's extreme, isn't it?
28:52
Correct.
28:53
Yeah, absolutely.
28:54
And to answer you, Ronald,
28:55
I think there is a lot of that going on.
28:57
I'm not going to say that there isn't.
29:00
I think some people are just riding this Trump train
29:03
and without question,
29:05
and I will say,
29:06
and I'm going to say this, guys,
29:08
I'm going to say this,
29:08
I did vote for him,
29:09
and you can hate me for that, it's fine.
29:11
I just didn't like the alternative.
29:13
Everyone has their opinions,
29:14
but it doesn't mean I'm bought in.
29:16
I mean, if you ever listen to my show,
29:17
if anyone does,
29:18
I am critical of him too.
29:19
I don't, I'm not saying everything he does
29:21
makes sense whatsoever
29:22
because it doesn't.
29:24
Where I'm at right now is,
29:25
I fear,
29:27
is this cult-like behavior
29:30
that Ronald asked about,
29:32
is it going to continue
29:34
and carry over to the next president
29:37
if they happen to be Republican?
29:39
A lot of people are looking at J.D. Vance.
29:40
I've got to be honest.
29:42
I'm not sure he's going to be the guy.
29:43
I think a lot of what Trump is doing is hurting J.D. Vance right now, and I don't think it's going to be able to push him.
29:48
He's got the tech money, though.
29:50
If they want him, they'll get him.
29:51
The question is, what's going to be the alternative?
29:53
There is that.
29:55
Yeah, yeah, there is that.
29:56
There is that.
29:57
You're right.
29:57
Money does move the world.
29:59
He's got by Peter Thiel.
30:02
But is that enough to convince people?
30:05
Because here's the thing.
30:06
If we're looking at, for example.
30:07
You don't need to convince people, George.
30:08
You know that.
30:09
All you have to do is sow this information.
30:11
We've already talked about this.
30:12
No, I know, I know.
30:14
But this goes right back to the AI conversation.
30:16
Because now when people don't know what's true anymore,
30:19
they're forming their opinions off of misinformation.
30:21
They are doing that with social media.
30:23
Now you add AI to it,
30:25
it's going to be very, very easy to manipulate elections in the future.
30:31
Whether we're talking about deep states,
30:32
we're just talking about AI telling you that your candidate has this, that,
30:37
and the other opinion like they did with you,
30:38
and then they don't.
30:40
Okay, hold on.
30:42
You are absolutely correct in that, but let me push back a little on this.
30:50
It's going to be hard to weed through, as you said, the disinformation when it comes to our next election, right?
30:58
But this is where I was going to go with this.
31:01
If you're monitoring what's going on around the world, the Gen Z uprising right now, okay?
31:04
So there was Peru, Nepal, what's going on in Africa.
31:07
Right now, you had the protests in Mexico.
31:09
I think a lot of the younger generation
31:13
are seeing past the bullshit
31:16
there's already been two governments overthrown by these Gen Z uprisings
31:20
now a lot of it has to do with resources
31:24
for example if we're talking about Africa
31:26
their governments can't even provide running water, electricity, food
31:30
there's a lot of things going on there that cause this
31:33
their governments are not trustworthy
31:36
In America, we don't have that disparity, right?
31:38
We're not an emerging economy or a third world, as some people say.
31:42
But there's a lot of opportunity in our system that a lot of the youth feel are not there for them anymore.
31:48
And even for people of my age or your age, it seems like it's getting harder and harder to push through that barrier or that wall to get to the next level.
31:57
So I wonder how long it is since already in Mexico, it's happening.
32:02
It just happened, right?
32:03
They overran the police.
32:05
They overran the palace.
32:08
How much longer is it going to be before the youth in America start to do the same thing?
32:15
I don't know if the next election that the disinformation is going to be enough because I think a lot of people are already seeing through the BS.
32:21
I don't know.
32:22
I don't know if there will be.
32:23
You look at past sort of quote-unquote uprisings, whether it was BLM, whether it was Occupy Wall Street.
32:30
Right.
32:30
I even point to this no-kings thing that just happened.
32:34
And I go, okay, so there's really no leadership.
32:37
And it doesn't correlate to getting up the vote.
32:39
This whole no-kings rally, it looks good from a social media perspective.
32:45
But if you can only get those people out when they're PO'd and not when it's time to vote, then it's all for naught.
32:50
So where's the organization?
32:53
As far as those examples, yes.
32:56
But when it comes to this Gen Z uprising,
32:58
I mean, we're looking at two actual governments
32:59
that were toppled.
33:01
We're talking about physically fighting the government.
33:03
But they're not Americans.
33:04
They're not Americans.
33:05
No, not.
33:06
Exactly.
33:06
American is conditioned.
33:08
And I just, I question if the drive is there
33:12
and I question if the leadership is there.
33:14
You look at Occupy Wall Street,
33:15
I always point back to that.
33:16
That was the most ineffective thing
33:18
I've ever seen from a protest perspective.
33:20
It made a lot of noise.
33:22
But it had no call to action.
33:25
It had no mission.
33:26
no real direction yeah correct so so are we due for it yes are we equipped for it i don't know
33:33
that is the question and that that's the question i'm i'm i'm bringing also it's like
33:38
could it maybe i mean we we do we have seen a lot of uh youth a lot more vocal than they used to be
33:45
um anyway i'm just throwing that out there it's just something to keep an eye on because
33:49
it's become a global movement.
33:53
Yeah.
33:54
And they're communicating with each other
33:56
through decentralized communication via social media.
33:59
And again, I mean,
34:00
when you also look at what's ripe
34:02
with what's happening with America,
34:03
you see the disenfranchised youth
34:05
following Nick Fuentes,
34:07
the Pied Piper of...
34:08
I was going to say that, yeah.
34:09
Yeah, driving the wedge in America.
34:12
He's got no substance.
34:13
He's a troll.
34:14
Oh, he's a troll.
34:15
Big time.
34:15
I don't...
34:16
Damn it.
34:17
He's entertaining.
34:18
He is entertaining.
34:19
And Royce, listen, man, how can these, again, like a Dave Smith guy, how can these social media political commentators or podcasters, comedians, whatever, how can they take a position of America first, looking out for those that are less than, that have needs, to switching to backing Nick Fuentes, who has been a blatant racist, who admires Hitler, admires Stalin,
34:48
even said it on Tucker Carlson's interview, for example,
34:50
and Tucker said nothing.
34:52
And he has this, if you read between the lines,
34:56
because I actually watched a few of his episodes.
34:58
I want to make this very clear.
34:59
A lot of people always push back and say,
35:00
you're taking him out of context.
35:01
Well, for the sake of not taking Nick out of context,
35:04
I watched about five of his episodes front to back
35:06
just to see how he is.
35:08
So sorry.
35:09
Right?
35:10
And the guy is literally wanting a utopian Nazi America.
35:15
Like, literally.
35:16
He doesn't believe what he says.
35:17
I think it's just like Candace.
35:19
He says whatever he wants to say to get clicks and to disrupt.
35:22
Well, true.
35:24
Well, let me say that may be true.
35:26
A moderate-day shock job.
35:27
That may be true.
35:28
So at what point, if what you're saying is true, Royce, at what point, as you've discussed with me before,
35:35
do we start holding these people accountable for not self-censoring or self-moderating themselves?
35:41
So that's where we get to the nitty-gritty because I suggest that Congress is the one that needs to start regulating content.
35:49
And people could say, well, do you really want to put all that power in the hands of Congress?
35:53
And I say, well, the people can't regulate themselves.
35:56
And the platforms aren't doing it.
35:57
So our leaders need to legislate.
35:59
And they're failing us.
36:01
But I want to kind of pivot to answer Ronald's question.
36:04
I'm sure I've voted for Trump three times, and I never voted for Trump.
36:07
But I can answer the question.
36:08
most people in this country
36:10
feel completely disenfranchised.
36:12
They feel like that they were born
36:13
without any opportunity to succeed.
36:16
Okay?
36:16
And despite the fact that Donald Trump
36:19
was born with a silver spoon in his mouth,
36:21
he always spoke to working class people.
36:24
He always spoke unfiltered.
36:27
And he was ingrained in our culture
36:29
from the 80s forward.
36:31
I mean, his name is mentioned
36:32
in countless vats.
36:33
So he was ingrained in our culture,
36:35
which means people knew him.
36:37
So when you put up anybody
36:38
that looks less than authentic against a guy like that,
36:41
people will vote for him because they see him for who he is
36:44
even if they do not like him.
36:46
He brings agenda.
36:48
And that's a hard pill for people to swallow.
36:50
I mean, he knew his base.
36:52
He knew his audience for sure.
36:54
And that's exactly what we're seeing with people like Nick Fuentes, for example.
36:57
Going back to Nick.
36:58
He knows how to target people's frustrations.
37:05
He is...
37:05
He's in a desperate soul.
37:07
Absolutely.
37:07
he's playing the great sympathizer. I can lead
37:10
you to a better way. Come on board.
37:12
And he can't because
37:13
he's a turd in plain English. And I know
37:15
that's not an eloquent way of saying it, but he's
37:17
a turd.
37:19
These people around me are driving me up a wall.
37:22
Right. Just by their presence.
37:24
Just by their presence. Between you and I,
37:26
they can't hear me. There's a driver.
37:27
Are they closing in on you?
37:29
They're closing in on me and like, I don't
37:32
relate to the humans generally.
37:34
So, there's a lot for me.
37:36
There's a lot. That's funny.
37:37
Yeah. But look, I think this is why guys like you and I should keep talking because I can sit here and answer Ronald's question in a way that maybe I hope will make more sense than if it comes from a guy like you who voted for him.
37:53
And I'm not suggesting, Ronald, you are the person, but some people have that wall up. And I understand that people want a disruptor. I've always wanted a disruptor. Since my college days, Ralph Nader running, I was at MSG. I've always wanted a disruptor.
38:06
Donald Trump had my boat at the top of the escalator
38:09
and he lost it at the moment.
38:11
Yeah, you know, and people do want to shake things up.
38:14
And the problem is,
38:18
we're never going to have an honest politician ever.
38:22
I hope that is not the case in the future.
38:25
But, you know, I got to think that
38:28
people got to understand you're being lied to every day.
38:31
It doesn't matter if it's Democrat.
38:33
It doesn't matter if it's Republican.
38:34
It doesn't matter if it's independent.
38:36
everybody's going to say what you want to hear
38:39
to get the votes.
38:41
Who they are is always revealed
38:43
once they're in office, right?
38:44
I mean, how many of our elected officials,
38:47
for example, let's talk about Congress,
38:49
are actually doing what you voted them in to do?
38:52
Are they really representing you?
38:54
None of them Listen and the clown show is Congress okay You can look at the executive branch The consistent failure in our country is and will always be Congress
39:05
These are the guys that have been there forever.
39:06
The Schumers, the Pelosi's, the McConnell's.
39:10
So I don't really buy into...
39:13
Because with proper checks and balances, then you wouldn't have to constantly...
39:18
You wouldn't have to constantly point the finger at the admin.
39:21
With proper checks and balances, they'd be able to check the admin.
39:25
And then you wouldn't have to deal with some of this nonsense.
39:27
But what Trump is doing so effectively, he's moving so fast.
39:30
He knows that they're not pushing back.
39:31
The courts aren't pushing back quick enough.
39:32
The system is too slow.
39:34
And he learned that from Roy Tung.
39:36
Okay, so what he's doing is pushing as much and out there
39:39
onto the system as possible and essentially overloading it.
39:45
And that's, I don't even, where are we at with the tariffs?
39:48
You know, we're supposed to pay none of that.
39:50
I don't know.
39:51
I don't know what's happening with that.
39:52
Look, I'm watching it.
39:54
I think T-shirt runs wrong.
39:58
I'm serious.
39:59
This guy looks like a leader.
40:01
We were a tariff nation at one point in our history.
40:05
But here's my thing with tariffs.
40:08
They're not going away.
40:10
The absurdity of how they're being used as a weapon is the problem.
40:15
What happens if we have to hand all that money back?
40:19
Well, exactly.
40:20
Now bank us up like a Trump casino.
40:21
know.
40:24
I'm asking.
40:26
Well, no, look, let me just say this here.
40:28
Tariffs are going away.
40:29
Americans just have a small.
40:33
Tariffs are, the way tariffs were, the way Trump was, okay, this is how it was explained
40:39
in the beginning that Trump was supposed to use this, right?
40:42
It was just supposed to be leverage, a way to renegotiate and make things more even.
40:47
But he got away from that.
40:49
He never stuck to that plan.
40:50
And now he's just using it as a weapon to get other people to bend.
40:55
But I mean, it's proven that other countries are not necessarily going to bend the knee to Trump.
41:00
So are you surprised?
41:01
Are you surprised that instead of using it strategically, he's using it like a blunt fool?
41:05
No, no, I'm not that surprised whatsoever.
41:08
But what Trump is doing, what he doesn't realize is like tariffs are a road to isolationism.
41:13
And you can't isolate America because the economy is global.
41:17
It's been global for many, many years.
41:19
we can't get away from this global economy
41:22
we're too dependent
41:23
you can't manufacture your way out of it
41:25
no exactly
41:26
I was literally just going to say that
41:28
we're too dependent on other nations
41:32
for their expertise
41:33
for their resources
41:35
we don't have it all in our own backyard
41:38
it's just not going to happen
41:38
we have to work with everybody period
41:40
China takes all of our
41:44
business all of our manufacturing business
41:46
right and not only do they
41:48
take that business
41:49
Then they turn around and they steal the intellectual property
41:52
from the people they're doing business with.
41:54
And then they trade, yes, they do.
41:55
They trade loans and they overflow the marketplace.
41:58
So we have to figure out that dance.
42:02
I've had enough conversations now doing this with people where
42:04
I used to think, oh, we're at war with China.
42:07
We got to win the war.
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And I've kind of been talked off that ledge
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by having these types of conversations.
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I will admit that.
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And I think that we just need to dance better with them.
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But I think we need to be more aggressive.
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well we can't we can't we can't ignore china's um economic prowess in the world whatsoever but
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we also got to realize that china is not western culture they don't see it the way we do
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you know and and these companies are like well we have patents on this they shouldn't be sealing
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we're going to sue them well good luck china doesn't have to comply you know how are you
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going to force another nation to comply it's not going to happen i i was privy to this a long time
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ago because i'm i'm in the events industry right so i literally provide staging lighting um sound
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I do the whole concert thing.
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I do corporate events.
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I do arena tours.
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And in my particular industry,
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we're talking about lighting
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and we'll talk about brands
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like Martin, Alation, Chave.
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If anyone who's listening
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knows what I'm talking about.
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I love Chave.
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Yeah, they've been battling this for years
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and where they'll come up
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with a certain design,
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certain technology,
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and they have these plants in China.
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And then all of a sudden
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you see these clones
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and we see other people
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using these clones out there
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of these lighting.
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So they're trying to meet
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what's called a tour rider
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For anyone who doesn't know, it's basically an artist sends you a writer and a part of that's a tech writer.
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So what will happen is to say, well, for an artist to perform, I need this console brand, for example, which is like a mixing board.
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All right.
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I need this type of lighting in the grid because my guy designed the lighting based on these fixtures.
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And so what happened is you started seeing people buying these knockoffs and trying to push them off as the actual brand.
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It's been going on for many years.
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And then you go to use them and the profiles don't match.
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Like there's always something off.
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so when this started happening
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people like Chauvet and Martin
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for example are losing money
43:50
they're trying to push back and the same thing happened with
43:53
I mean let's just talk about cell phones with Apple right
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with any cell phone that
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is Android
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based and
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this has been going on a long time I think it's just coming
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to light now because of the tariff situation
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where people are paying more attention
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but this is something China's always
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done this isn't new this is not new
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news for example
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I think people just never really realized it was happening.
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No, I know.
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I remember dealing with this with Pangolin,
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Pangolin lasers and the dongles.
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And you could get the unofficial dongles
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so you could start,
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you need like a certain license for a laser.
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And I was like, well, this is a safety issue
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that now our market's being flooded
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with like fake laser authentication
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and fake certification and all this.
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So I remember that with the dongles.
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They're like the $400 dongles.
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and you'd be getting cheaper.
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Now, you didn't have official certification
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to use the laser,
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but you had the Chinese certification.
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And a lot of people were trusting off of that.
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Which was, it's a safety issue.
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Because if somebody in that crowd
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gets hit wide with a laser,
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they'll get blinded.
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Right.
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Absolutely.
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You have to regulate that.
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Absolutely.
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But that's,
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these are the real issues
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that nobody talks about
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with knock-off products,
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especially in the tech industry.
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Well,
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I don't deal with that.
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you can't deal with it.
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That's the reality.
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We can't police China
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and tell them you can't produce this
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or produce that.
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The only way we can regulate it is,
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let's say in the United States,
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for example,
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like when you're talking about
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quality and safety,
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that has to be stopped
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when those goods are coming in.
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They have to be,
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I think what needs to happen
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is some of these goods
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need to come in,
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be inspected for safety
45:39
and verify that they're safe
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for operation.
45:42
before they're actually accepted and then flooded into our market.
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But you can't also stop the black market either.
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So can we get ahead of it?
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I think we could do a lot if we're actually taking those products.
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If there was another office set up here to QC these products that are coming in that are supposed to be ready.
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That requires legislation and that requires Congress to do their job.
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And I know I'm a broken record with that.
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No, you're not.
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It all starts there, man.
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No, you're not a broken record.
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all these ideas are fantastic but without effective leaders that we don't get and now
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we're dying on the vine with ai we're dying on the vine onset moderation we bypass net neutrality
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yep you know well let's talk about congress again so congress if you i did a deep i forgot which
46:28
episode i did so and if anyone hears me i may be off on some of my recall to be quite honest
46:33
it's been a while but congress if you look at congress historically it was supposed to be a
46:38
service, right? Sometime around the, and it was never supposed to be a long-term career whatsoever.
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So sometime around, I think it was the late sixties, early seventies, I believe I got to,
46:49
I got to go back, but it's somewhere around that period is when Congress actually voted to instill
46:56
and up their salary. And I think at that point it was either bumped to about 60 to 70 something
47:01
thousand dollars a year or something like that. Ever since then, they have voted to up their
47:07
salary and their benefits. Right now we're at what, 175 or 170 something thousand a year
47:12
is the salary for Congress. And it was never supposed to be a career.
47:19
And now we see these people serving long-term. I mean, they get in in their 30s or 40s and
47:24
they go until they either are medically incapable to serve or basically have to be forced out.
47:31
so
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the way we fix this is we got to
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really instill term limits regardless
47:38
I think who's going to lead
47:40
that charge I mean you're really going to need
47:41
you're really going to need
47:43
I hate to say it you're going to need a tyrannical
47:46
executive
47:48
officer to come
47:50
in and do that and then people are going to call
47:52
him a dictator and all these things
47:54
but it's going to take a little tyranny
47:56
to reboot the system
47:57
so
47:58
So, but here's the thing, though.
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Do the people not have a responsibility?
48:04
Do we not care enough to hold our government accountable?
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Because we really don't do that.
48:08
We do, but most of the country doesn't show up to vote.
48:12
Exactly.
48:12
So, if we really wanted to use technology as a weapon, we could organize effectively, and we could vote all of these guys out.
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But the willpower has to be there.
48:21
And I think part of the problem, George, is most people are stuck trying to get by every damn week, every damn day.
48:27
That's exactly the truth.
48:28
to worry about these things.
48:29
So they get stuck in the system.
48:30
They get stuck in their nine-to-five job,
48:32
the recursive loop,
48:33
the medical system,
48:34
trying to afford the kids in education,
48:36
all of these things.
48:37
And there's no time to worry about government.
48:40
Well, I guess worrying about government
48:41
could solve their problems.
48:43
But when they see it's broken,
48:44
they become disenfranchised.
48:46
Very true.
48:47
And I guess we could blame Henry Ford
48:49
for the five-day work week.
48:51
But the thing is,
48:53
what you're saying is exactly what I believe
48:55
and what I say.
48:57
People are too busy.
48:58
They keep their heads down.
48:59
It's not necessarily their fault.
49:01
We've created this society to where we become overwhelmed and feel the pressure to be involved in all this crap that in the grand scheme of things means nothing.
49:13
We're not paying attention to our government.
49:16
We're not holding them accountable whatsoever.
49:19
If we did, there would be the change that you're talking about.
49:22
Do we need a dictator to make that work?
49:24
Yeah.
49:26
I think two things could be true.
49:28
A tyrant.
49:29
A tyrant.
49:30
Okay, a tyrant.
49:30
The problem is people call that a dictator.
49:33
Oh, okay.
49:33
Sorry, I misheard you.
49:36
But more than one thing could be true at the same time, right?
49:39
Absolutely.
49:41
Congress needs to be overhauled.
49:44
I believe you're correct.
49:45
It needs to be overhauled.
49:46
We need term limits.
49:48
You shouldn't be able to serve until you're 80.
49:50
Like, look, 65, whatever the retirement age,
49:53
I mean, get them out.
49:54
I think at some point...
49:56
When I do that, take away their paychecks.
49:58
If it's a volunteer.
50:00
Absolutely.
50:02
And that could be one way to put the squeeze on them, right?
50:04
If you're going to close down, you don't get paid.
50:06
If you're not showing up to work, you don't get paid.
50:08
I mean, it's like us.
50:10
If we have a full-time job, you have so much vacation pay, so much sick time, whatever the hell it is.
50:14
You don't get to bleed the system dry and the taxpayers dry by continuing to make your exorbitant salaries because you choose to not go to work.
50:24
But that's the 1%.
50:25
and you're only going to change it by storming the
50:27
spiel. And I know that's controversial,
50:29
especially after what has gone on
50:31
in the last few years.
50:33
It's the truth, man.
50:35
You got to be a disruptor.
50:37
I don't support this guy. You know that.
50:39
But I understand why people do.
50:41
It doesn't mean I like it.
50:44
But as somebody that
50:45
stands in the middle consistently,
50:47
I can look at it and I can understand it.
50:49
And I just wish that
50:51
there were better options
50:53
on the table because I think
50:55
if you go back to
50:57
that 2016 election
50:59
and you look at Kasich and you look
51:01
at Cruz and you look at Rebio and you realize
51:03
the primary reason Trump won is because none of those
51:05
guys would check their ego
51:06
and he won by a margin, a
51:09
slim margin, you realize
51:11
that people didn't vote for Trump.
51:14
Okay, they voted for themselves.
51:16
Hmm.
51:18
Good point.
51:19
Good point. I want to wrap this up though
51:21
if you don't mind.
51:22
No, no, no.
51:23
Oh, good.
51:26
No, I agree.
51:26
Disruption is fine.
51:28
Listen, that's the nuance of it.
51:29
Disruption is fine.
51:31
Not fine.
51:31
It's disruption.
51:33
Yeah, we do have to shake stuff up for sure.
51:37
Well, I mean, yeah, if you want to wrap this up, I'm fine with that.
51:40
I'm about, yeah, I'm mostly through my cigar right now.
51:43
I took the opportunity to sit outside since we're doing audio only.
51:46
So, didn't want to wake my wife up either.
51:49
Fair, fair.
51:50
I'm having a hard time focusing, to be honest with you.
51:53
Oh, no worries, man.
51:54
Listen, do what you got to do.
51:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:57
No, do what you got to do.
51:58
I'd be happy to come back.
51:59
Any other.
52:00
time. And at the same time, I would love to have you back on my show too. I think there's a lot
52:03
that we can catch up on, discuss for sure. Absolutely.
52:07
He just crossed the surface too. So George, thank you.
52:10
And let's, again, I don't know. I don't even think we have anybody on Sunday. So if you want to,
52:14
even if you want to do another one or you want to wait a week or two, you let me know.
52:17
Oh, no, I'm gamed. Do me a favor. Just reach back out.
52:21
Have Keanu reach back out to me and I'll see if I can make that happen.
52:26
Thank you, sir. All right. Thank you, Royce. Appreciate it.
52:29
Thank you. Everybody, thank you for listening, and we'll see you next time.
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George Fontes, World of Blade.
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All right. Bye, everybody.
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Thank you.