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How Structure and Routine Spark Unexpected Transformation · The One Small Change Podcast

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Welcome to the One Small Change. I'm thrilled that you're taking time out of your
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schedule to spend some time with me to explore and
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see how we can help you transform. I'm your host, Yvonne
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McCoy, and I bring almost thirty years of entrepreneurial experience
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and a passion for discovering growth through the power of
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seemingly small change. So again, thank you for joining
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me. And this week I have a special guest who's got some
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interesting insights for you, Stephanie Trimholm.
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That's not right. Say say your last name the right way.
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Trim Trim Trim My name
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is kinetically not great for everybody. Don't worry.
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But we want people to know when they hear your name, who you
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are. So, Stephanie Yes.
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The purpose of this is what was a small change
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that seemed like it was small at the time that had an
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unexpected impact on you and helped you to transform and help
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you to do what you do now? Probably when I
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started my own business. I used to run a speech
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department here in Los Angeles. I'm a speech language pathologist, and I
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had been running a department in, you know, training
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CFs, which are clinical fellows who are going through the licensing program
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and or the licensing process rather. And I
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decided to try to open up my own practice. And
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as nervous as I was to do it, it's proved to be very successful.
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So I was glad that I did that little adjustment to no longer
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work for somebody else, but to work for myself. But for
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instance, when you did that, there was something that
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you felt you could deliver in a private practice that you couldn't
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when you were working in corporate that that steered you towards
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helping people with problems. Right? Well, I worked with
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a a clinic that was doing speech therapy. So even though
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I was running the speech department and I was taking care of a bunch
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of speech language pathologists and training, I was seeing my own case load.
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But it's very different when you work for somebody else
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versus working for yourself.
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And, while I did learn a lot at the company
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that I was at, and it gave me a lot of, you know, experience
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and confidence to be able to spread my wings and go on my
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own, there's really something to be said for working for
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yourself. I mean, it's scary because you're taking on a whole lot of different
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responsibilities and everything falls onto you. But
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if you have, you know, the right personality and the dedication, it can be
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wildly successful and very fulfilling. Well, one of
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the things that we talked about, I think that that, you know,
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we kinda hooked up with is
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how structure and routine can help your life.
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And I think for entrepreneurs, they're especially
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if they're in the spiritual realm. Right? They're
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like, I'm going to, you know, go with my gut.
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I'm gonna decide something different. And if you're doing something else,
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you have the shiny, you know, object syndrome. And so you're, like,
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doing like this. And routine seems
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like the last thing that you wanna do, but it's really what you need.
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Well, you do because, I mean, having your own
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business, you have to have some more sort of structure and routine
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because, you know, for example, in my own company, I have to be able to
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do my billing, doing my notes, organizing reports,
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talking to different kinds of professionals, that
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are seeing also the children that I see. I mean,
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while, yeah, there is some sort of flexibility,
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and we had talked about how, you know, I may have a therapy session
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planned in my mind to see a kid, and the kid arrives and they don't
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wanna do what kind of I've planned out. I have to be very flexible and,
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you know, adapt and try to still get my goals with something that they wanna
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do, but I can't run a practice doing that every single day. I would
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not be successful. I would not be meeting my kids' goals,
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and I wouldn't have been in business for as long as I have if I
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was just very, you know, easygoing
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and flying by the seat of my pants. I mean, how would I be able
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to submit bills or paperwork or, you know, show up for meetings
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for IEPs for kids? I mean, there has to be some level of
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structure. Well, not only that. You're talking about
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kind of tangible structure. Mhmm. And I think
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that structure also comes in the form of
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mindset. So one of the things that I teach is, what is your vision?
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And I call that dead reckoning. What is the thing that you're always aiming
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for? Because you have to adjust and adapt. You
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always do. It's kind of the the term dead reckoning comes from an old
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sailing term that you pick a point on the shore that you're always going
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to even if you have to tack and get on weed with those.
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Going that way. Right. You're still headed in that direction. So I think
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there are I think a lot of people think of structure and
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organization, that kind of thing, as being only
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the task that you're doing, but it also is your
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mindset. You have to have some kind of idea
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because that impacts that impacts the
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quality of the work you do. It impacts who you work
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with. It impacts you know, it keeps you from that
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shiny object syndrome because you could say, I'm headed here. I don't
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need to go over there. Right? Right. And so,
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you know, the one of the reasons I think that that I asked you about
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this is because you talked about children with,
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learning disabilities. Right? And I
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think that there are probable well, first of all, as I
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said to you, my philosophy is that you can't divide yourself in half.
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You can't, you know, be an entrepreneur, turn off the switch and then be a
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person, kind of. And so
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if you can deal with any of those kinds of learning
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situations, whether it's you as an adult or help
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your children or, you know, when you're communicating with other people,
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I think it's really helpful. And I am running into more and more
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adults that are discovering that they have some kind of a
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learning disability late in life, which is why
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they've avoided certain things. Right. So that
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was, I think, one of the reasons that I wanted you to talk about how
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structure can help you if you're experiencing those kind of
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things, particularly if you are an entrepreneur and you don't have structure.
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Well yeah. So we had talked about one of the things in my practice, and
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this is not just necessarily children with communication
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challenges or learning challenges, but all children, the way that
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children learn is through that routine and that
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structure. So, one of the things I'm always working with my families and
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teaching them is how you can grow in
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vocabulary and concept development through daily
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routines because there's a sense of predictability. Plus it gives a
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child a chance to hear the vocabulary associated with that routine
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over and over and over again, and that repetition is how they
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learn. And that's how all of us, anyways, learn. It doesn't matter if you're
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a kid. I mean, you know, I'm sure anyone, when they
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started a new job, even if they went to school in it, once they started
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doing it and doing it and doing it, it became easier.
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So that sense of predictability is what helps us
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learn and move forward. So it's not necessarily,
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like, if you go off the beaten path is bad, but
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you have to still have the same, like you said, the same end view
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in sight. And so, like I said, even with my therapy sessions,
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I may be working on a particular goal, you know,
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getting a child to use more complete phrases, and I have an activity
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planned, and they don't wanna do it, and they wanna do something else. Am I
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able to still get to my goal even though I'm going off course?
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Yeah. And it it's funny because I talked with someone who was
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a sales trainer. And one of the things that
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she has her people do is to give their
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sales I call it an introduction, not a pitch. Do you
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know? Give their sales introduction every day of the
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week, even if they have to do it to their family and friends.
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Right? And she said, it just makes it so that it's the more you do
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it, the more relaxed you get, the more, the
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easier it is to do. And then of course, the flip side of
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that from my perspective is I think one of the reasons for
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doing it is you can start to read how other people are are
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responding to it. You know, if it's the right crowd and they're not responding,
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then you're like, oh, I need to do something different. You know,
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but the more comfortable you are in doing it, the better you
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can do it, you know, the more confident you come across. So, you know,
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and, and you listen
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to so many stories about, you know,
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athletes. They talk about practice, practice, practice. And that's what
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repetition and structure really does for you. Right. I
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mean I mean, it's even think of a doctor. I mean, yeah, they do
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their first surgery. They're successful, but the more they do it,
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the better they get. They could probably do it with their eyes closed. Do you
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know what I mean? So, you know, we do need to have that sense
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of predictability and organization to get us to
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somewhere. And I just think it's important
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all around. I mean, especially as an entrepreneur. I mean, not only working with
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kids, but then, like I said, having your own business, any business that you have,
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I mean, you have to have some kind of organization,
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or how are you gonna be able to be successful?
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Well, you know, one of the things I think I shared this with you was,
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you know, if you can't be
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predictable in some way, your client's not gonna find
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you. You know, because if it's like one day you're selling this and the
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next day you're selling that or one day you've got you know, it's like,
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I'm confused. Validity to it. It's the key with certain validity.
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So yeah. I mean, definitely. But I
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think the other thing that that you were talking about, you know, kind of in
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terms of communication and how we learn,
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the more okay. This is my my my
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feeling. The more I learned about how I learned
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and the different styles that other people had, I think
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the better a communicator I became because I became
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aware that I have to give people
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information in a way that they that they can accept it. So,
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when I found out that I was, like, highly visual, and
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when I talk, I go, do you see this? You know, have you seen that?
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I mean and then, you know, my husband who is
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very auditory tends to say, did you hear
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this? Right? And suddenly I started listening to my
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kids. How do my, you know, when they were younger, how do my kids talk?
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What are the words that they're using so that I can communicate with
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them? But the same thing is true when you're talking to
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people that you want to work, you know, adults that you want to work with,
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if you're, if you're selling them, you know, to
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to to kinda test out what words are can you see this? Can you hear
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this? How do you feel about this? So the words
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that they use gives you a clue about how you have to give
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them information. At least that's been my experience. Well, it is. So
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what you're talking about are their various learning styles, and there generally are three
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learning styles. Like you said, a visual learner, an auditory
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learner, and the kinesthetic learner. Those are who learn by doing.
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So someone who takes apart a bike and puts it back together, they're kinesthetic.
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Most people are visual learners. So, actually, when I'm
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doing speech therapy sessions, I actually incorporate all three
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learning styles because I don't know what a kid is very young off.
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Majority of people are visual learners, which
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is kinda funny because I go into school sometimes and, you know, they have all
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the visuals on the walls of the classroom, but it's highly
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overwhelming. So it's, like, to the nth degree. But, you
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know, as we get older, you know, a lot of the teaching is auditory,
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and that's actually the least common learning style. But, like I
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was saying, when I'm working with my kids, I have kids learning by
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doing, by learning by seeing, and also the auditory.
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I'm working always on those three learning styles, and it is very important
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that people know what learning style they are because some people,
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you know, they are not auditory learners at all, and people just tell
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them something and they'll never remember what you're telling them. Or you may
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have to send them a memo or give them you know, teach them how to
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work on a a calendar. One of the things I do in my job, which
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also does with structure and routine, teaching older kids, you know, they get those
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school planners. A lot of kids, especially kids with learning challenges,
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don't wanna fill them in. They don't they don't actually write their homework
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assignments in, and then they're lost, and they don't know when things are due. So
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I actually have to physically teach them how to do that so they know what
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to expect. But then now they see it, and they're like, oh, yeah.
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That's when that's due versus trying to remember the teacher said,
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oh, that assignment's due in two weeks, and it goes in one year and out
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the other. Well, it's interesting because this really
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dates me. Before we had Zoom, before we had all these other things,
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I took my my coaching. They were
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teleclasses. So you actually called into a, you know,
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a conference call and you got your class, which was,
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like, horrible for me. I mean, I had to actually because I'm a
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I'm a visual kinetic. I like to touch it. I like to see it, and
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I like to touch it. Right. So for those
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classes, I actually had to buy
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myself a toy to play with
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so that I could focus and listen. And I have since
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learned that if you highlight, you know, that the the the act
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of highlighting things and, you know, people who are highly visual
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and and kinetic take massive amounts of notes that
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we never read again. Do you know?
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That was me in school. Yep. And so now what I've
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learned is I take massive amounts of notes still,
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But as I'm going through, I'll highlight something. So if I
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ever just right. So, like, I can go back and go, this was a good
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point. This was a good point. This was a good point. But, you know,
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I think part of one of the lessons that entrepreneurs can take away from
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this is if you're making presentations, you need
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to hit all those things. Yeah. And even when I still go to
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my continuing education classes, because to be able to maintain my license,
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I have to go do the CEUs. And I
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really don't like when I'm just being lectured at. I
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you know, having learning challenges myself, auditory processing,
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you know, I just I cannot stand just being talked
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to. I like when they give you examples and you're engaging and you're
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having conversations with people or you're acting things out, you know,
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and there's things on a board. Like, I want it to be a
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multimodal, and that's even something we've discussed with even my kids.
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Kids that may not be necessarily verbal, and they're nonspeaking,
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and they're learning to talk. They need a multimodal communication system,
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which includes the gestures, which includes signs, which may include pictures,
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which may include words. So it's
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everywhere. Like, the learning styles are literally everywhere.
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Well, it's funny because I went, I was I'm gonna be in a
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summit, and so they had a speakers thing. And so one of the
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things that they said, and I didn't relate it to what we're
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talking to, but it makes perfect sense is, you know, she was saying
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instead of put the you know, saying put yes in the chat, you
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should say write this down. Because when you write
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stuff down, chances return. Right.
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And so Nobody actually really realizes that.
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People think it's very laborious and cumbersome. Oh, gosh. Do I have to take notes?
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But, actually, it's been proven time and time again, there's something that
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goes activation in your brain with you actually doing the physical motor
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of writing actually activates parts of your brain to
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help you learn versus, like, people taking one
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word notes, you know, like, or one word. I'm like, what does that mean? It's
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not gonna help you recall anything. So that's that
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that tip right there is is worth gold, people. As an
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entrepreneur, both in your family life and, you
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know, and in your business, when you're talking to people to
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try to be in as many different modes as possible, If you're
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giving a workshop or you're giving a presentation to encourage
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people to write it down. Now, what I, I have a model
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called Make Your Learning Last and it's, you
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learn something, you apply it, and then you
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share it. And the act of sharing it helps you to
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clarify if you really understand what it is you think you got.
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But in terms of being an entrepreneur, it also makes you a generous
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expert who's willing to share new things. And then you put a time or a
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thought trigger on it. When am I gonna use this? Because that to
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me is the piece that's missing. When I was in corporate, I would learn
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something really fantastic. And then when the chaos hit, my reaction
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was, what binder is that in? And I could never I could
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never get back to it. So you have to to be proactive and use your
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learning. You have to actually you know, you've applied it once.
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When when is a good time to apply it again?
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So you've given
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I don't know where you wanna start. Let's start with
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three three ways that entrepreneurs can can
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learn, you know, can come up with things that they can use in
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their business that that revolve around structure and learning
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styles? Well, don't
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put things off, number one, because everybody always says we're gonna get to things
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later, and I think that's a kiss of death as an entrepreneur. You should really
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if you're gonna do something, do it right away because chances are, A, if you
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don't write it down, you're gonna forget about it. And things
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can happen in the interim, so don't put things
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off. I live by notes. Post
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it notes are my best friends because they're easy. Even in my
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books when I'm doing assessment tools, I post a note books to find
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things easier. You know, if I'm trying to find standardized scores to be able
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to report things in an assessment, so I'm
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highlighting as well all the time. So post notes, highlighters.
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You know, people think when you're done with school, you shouldn't take notes, which
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I don't agree. You should always be taking notes.
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And definitely keeping some sort of a schedule. A schedule
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is very helpful in keeping you organized and on
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track. But understand that that schedule may have to change every
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so often and being able to be flexible with that because there are always
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hiccups in the world. So there a couple of things that I
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that I found is that
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when you're scheduling, people tend
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to schedule specific tasks, you know, like
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I'm meeting with this project. I think that the
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piece that people are really missing is they really miss
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putting in time to be creative and thoughtful about their business,
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right, or to take care of themselves. Because they're like,
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I'll do it later. I'll you know, like you were saying, I'll do it later.
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Right. But if you put it in your calendar and say,
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I'm gonna take half a day every month that I'm
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gonna sit and kinda take a look at my business, that kinda thing.
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And it adds a structure to it so that you can add to it and,
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you you know, you can kind of evaluate what's going
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on. So I think that's really important in terms of
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structure too is it's not just, you know, I'm gonna take
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this phone call. I'm gonna do the that you you prioritize
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and put in the priorities. So one prior
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analysis, the reflection, which a lot of people don't do.
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So, like, I even like, if I've had a therapy
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session and it didn't necessarily go the way that I had planned it,
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I gotta sit back and reevaluate because I've been doing this for a long
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time. What could I have done differently? What
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why why did potentially this not work out? You really
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need to also you're making a good point. Schedule
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time to evaluate how things are gone and being able to
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make modifications. So, yeah, keeping certain appointments,
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being able to set up meetings, whatever. But a successful
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business also evaluates, and that's even people evaluating
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how things are going. Well and and when we talk
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about systems, right, so, I mean, we take something as simple as
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networking. If you don't give yourself time
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to follow-up after the networking, you've kinda, you know,
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cut the impact down. So if your networking
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event ends at two, you know, give yourself a half an
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hour so so that you can look at what you've done and the notes make
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sense and you can contact people on LinkedIn or whatever because
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tomorrow, you're not gonna remember what those notes mean. And that's why I
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said don't put things off. Whenever I'm at networking events and I
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ask, are they on social media? Are you in LinkedIn? I just reach
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out right away. Or if I get business cards,
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I try to deal with them right away because they'll get lost. You'll forget.
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You can't remember who who so and so is, you know, even
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when I get a new client. And, you know, I get referrals all the time.
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I take notes in my phone. Even if I say them in my phone, I
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actually put notes in what's their challenge, what their you know,
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I just what areas of need do they have? Because down the road
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when a parent follows up with me, I'm like, oh gosh. Who is Susie again?
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It doesn't make me also look really good if I don't remember, you know, as
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a certain child. And and and I think also, I
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think the important thing is
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systems and habits don't have to be the
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systems and habits that you had as a kid. I mean,
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but there are some through lines that stay with you. So for
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instance, I am definitely into color coding.
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I love color coding. And so, you know, I I will give
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a project a, you know, a color. And so, you know, like, if
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right I right right now I'm trying to reorganize my calendar. So
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initial contact is now green, clients are
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blue, podcasts are red. So I know when I look
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at it what you know, I don't have to know who it is. I just
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know. Right? And that's that can be part of a
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habit that can make your life a lot simpler, but you
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design the process and the habit. I
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mean, because one of the things I talk about about productivity
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is is can you automate something? And when I mean
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automate, I don't mean necessarily technically, but there's a
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process for it. So when my kids got to be, like,
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young teenagers, double digits someplace, And I
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was, I was working and, you know, my husband was
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working. We had this this thing about, you
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know, about dinner. So on Saturday, I cooked the one
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pot meal. I'm the queen of the one pot casserole. My husband's
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a real cook, you know, so on Sunday he cooked the big meal. Monday and
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Tuesday, we had leftovers. Wednesday, my daughter did spaghetti, so we you
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know, or some kind of pasta. So we called her the pasta queen.
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And then on Thursday, my son did sloppy joes. And on
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Friday, we did go for yourself, clean out all the left. I
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mean, it was but it made it such a Because you have
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a sense of predictability. Now that doesn't mean that one day on Thursday,
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you're not gonna go out to dinner or something comes up. Right. But at
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least if you have that sense of predictability, and that's the same thing that I
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try to explain to parents in my office, when kids
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have a sense of predictability, their stress level goes
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down. And it's interesting since we're actually on winter break right now and
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seeing some of my kids over the holidays, they don't have that
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structure. They don't have that routine. They don't have that sense of
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predictability. And And guess what are up? Their behaviors,
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their frustration levels. Because they're not in school, they're not doing
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that. So, I mean, like, that goes back to our
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routines and structure. It's helpful. It doesn't mean you have to
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live by that, but at least it makes
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life easier. Well, it's funny because
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when I was when my kids were younger and they were in day care, when
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I would pick them up on Fridays, their teacher would just say,
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all you need to do is maintain maintain
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what we've what we've put together. You know? You don't have to invent
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something totally different. You just have to maintain it. Right?
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And, you know, so we would laugh because, you know,
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a lot of times we didn't, and we should've. Alright.
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Tell me before we run out of time. Tell me what you're giving us.
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Well, on my website for, those who have
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children or wanna understand more about routines, on my
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website or Lola's website, because I published my first kid's book
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and my second one is currently being published, and
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the stories all follow routines. I have Lola's first book here,
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which is about bath time. So the routine of bath and the
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language that follows bath. On Lola's website, which
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actually is littlelolafrenchie.com, there
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is a section on language, and there are tables
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that discuss the type of vocabulary that parents could elicit for
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children in certain routines or just even more general goals
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of following directions and how taking can be elicited
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through that. There's also, a a
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podcast that I actually did with a great, doctor out here in LA
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discussing the importance of routines and structures because
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it's really funny that what we're discussing is actually
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really you know, what we say, like, those duh statements, they're really very
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self explanatory, but people miss it. You don't like, you're,
26:49
like, you don't really think about it, and you're like, well, that makes sense. And
26:52
then when you see it into action, you're like, oh, that really makes sense. So
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people can go online to help, elicit language in
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their children, all children, again, not necessarily somebody with communication
27:03
disorders, but how we can help boost language
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learning through daily routines. Well, I think I think
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one of the you know, I think sometimes people do not realize
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that as an entrepreneur,
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the words that you use on a regular basis Mhmm.
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Is how people find you and how they relate to you.
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And so, like I said, so so many times our beliefs
27:30
are from our childhood, and maybe they were good beliefs when we were
27:34
children, but, you know, and we did things because
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somebody told us to do it. Now that you're an adult,
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you have to find out what is your way of
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doing it that makes sense. Do you know?
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And the other part to that is things have changed.
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I mean, from the time I was a child, they've changed a
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lot. So so, you know, if you know what
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your your goal is, you now have other ways to get there.
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Right? So you have other options. I mean, we can, you know, you can
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read a book, you can go on Google, you can get ChatTpT as a
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continuous learner. And as an entrepreneur, you need to stay
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relevant. And so as you stay relevant, I would
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encourage everybody to take a look at their learning style and the way they
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communicate with people and the way that they come across. And
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I'm not telling you that you shouldn't do it a certain way
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because we each need to feel comfortable in our own skin,
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but you need to know that other people do not get it the same
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way that you possibly you get it. When when
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I used to talk about a communication, I used to say, did
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you ever go someplace with somebody else's
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family? And they go, oh, remember uncle John's fiftieth birthday
28:54
party? And everybody cracks up laughing, and you haven't got a
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clue. Well, that's context specific.
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Right? Right. But I'm just saying, but but but depending
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on where you are and the words that you use and stuff, they can have
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totally different meanings that in, you know, the way that you come across. And
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so that's why I think it's so important that we be aware
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that this is something we can evaluate. We can see
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what happens, that there are better ways. There are things that we can
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incorporate. And a very easy one is
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routine. Because when you have a routine, you can
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say, I followed these five steps
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this time and got a great result. I did it next time, and I didn't.
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What was different? And you can evaluate the situation so you
29:41
can get better results. I can't believe our time
29:44
is almost up because I think we could keep going on this. So
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when was the last time you did something new for the first time?
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Probably in the pandemic when I've always wanted to write a children's
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book, understanding language and learning and literacy.
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And, well, that that whole time of the pandemic was a whole learning style because
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we had to learn how to do therapy on a computer. I still went
30:09
into the office, but I did do Zoom sessions, and that was
30:13
very challenging. I still do Zoom sessions, but, you know, you're a little bit
30:16
more selective because it's not again, for learning styles, being on a computer
30:20
screen isn't the greatest for everybody. I need to physically be with the kid or
30:24
whatever. So that was, a whole new learning curve
30:28
in and of itself. And at that time is when I decided to
30:32
take something that I always wanted to do and try to reach
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more families and more children by writing my children's books.
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And, you know, that was a
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whole I mean, you know, writing a book in a
30:46
sense is easy, but you don't realize all the other things that go along with
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it, like the trademarking, the copywriting, the, you know, finding
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the book distributors and, you know, and there's no, like, writing a
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book for dummies. So I had to figure it out on my own.
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So but, you know, I got through, and it was rewarding. So the second time
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around, it was a lot easier. But Right.
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And it was. And, again, took good notes, kept good
31:13
files, and so it was very much helpful.
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So that and I found that to be very, very rewarding and
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exciting and something that, you know, I continue
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hopefully, will continue doing with more books for Lola.
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Sounds fantastic. And we're almost out
31:32
of time. And so I need to put in the commercial. And so as
31:36
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And I want to help you in your quest for growth and impact. So if
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32:01
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32:05
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32:09
that you can pick and choose what you need at the time that you need
32:12
it. So Stephanie, give me your last
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words before we go.
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I mean, structure is really good. The routines are very good. Understand
32:24
the flexibility, and I think we actually touched on a very important point
32:28
that when dealing with others in business, to
32:32
really take in mind, you know, their various
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learning styles. And even if you're one, somebody else may not be, and you may
32:39
wanna try to incorporate all learning styles when
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dealing with people. So I
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think that's so true. I think that makes you so much more relatable that you're
32:50
trying to relate. So that's it for us. So
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remember, change is simple, but it's not always easy. And
32:57
it requires courage and resilience and a willingness to step out of your comfort
33:01
zone. So I hope you will join me again for the one small change,
33:05
as we embark on this journey and your bold vision and innovative
33:09
possibilities. And until next time, please stay
33:13
curious. Stephanie, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and
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your time with us today. Thank you for having me, Yvonne. Thank
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you.