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Sean O'Connell Show w/Bill Riley - Full POD 4-10-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: you have the two thousand times scott Champions. Look champions.
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Speaker 2: It just so like site.
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Speaker 6: This is a special edition of the Sean O'Connell Show,
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Speaker 6: hosted by Bill Riley on Utah's number one Sports Talk
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Speaker 6: and your home of the Utes ESPN seven hundred and
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Speaker 6: ninety two to one FM, brought to you by Big Willies.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 6: Here's three times Utah Sports Broadcaster of the Year and
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Speaker 6: voice of the Utes, Bill Riley.
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Speaker 3: Hey there, good morning, and welcome in to a Friday
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Speaker 3: edition of The Shan O'Connell Show, presented by the good
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Speaker 3: folks at Big Willies. I'm Bill Riley, hitch hitting for
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Speaker 3: the on assignment Shan O'Connell today, and I did this
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. We were at Kiya Kiya,
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Speaker 3: Kiya Watch Front, Kia, which was a familiar place to me.
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Speaker 3: But today it's like a home game. It's like they've
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Speaker 3: welcomed the prodigal sun back home again here to Broadway
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Speaker 3: Media and ESPN seven hundred. I am back in the
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Speaker 3: stately Broadway Media studios here of ESPN seven hundred and
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Speaker 3: so glad to be with you today.
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Speaker 7: Man.
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Speaker 3: They've spruced this place up a little bit since I've
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Speaker 3: been in here last. They've got all kinds of computer monitors,
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Speaker 3: all kinds of schwag and gear and all kinds of
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Speaker 3: stuff hanging up in here. And apparently I am. I'm
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Speaker 3: on video now too. I'm glad I cleaned myself up
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Speaker 3: a little bit today to be on camera. Used to
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Speaker 3: be you'd wander in here, you'd have your baseball cap on,
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Speaker 3: maybe you showered maybe you didn't. Usually James didn't. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if Sean does whatever, But I cleaned myself
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Speaker 3: up today because I knew i'd be on camera, and
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Speaker 3: I guess you can find me on YouTube the ESPN
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Speaker 3: seven hundred Sports Utah YouTube channel, So if you want
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Speaker 3: to see this ugly mug, you could do that there,
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Speaker 3: or just listen in wherever you might be listening in
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Speaker 3: today over the airwaves on the fifty thousand watt blow
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Speaker 3: torchs that is ESPN seven hundred online at ESPN seven
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Speaker 3: hundred sports dot com on ninety two point one FM
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Speaker 3: in stereo. Or maybe you're on the app today. Maybe
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Speaker 3: you're out on the golf course as you should be
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Speaker 3: on a beautiful Friday today. Maybe you're watching the Masters
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Speaker 3: on your phone and listening to me. Whatever you might
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Speaker 3: be doing, thank you for making me part of your
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Speaker 3: day on this Friday today. We've got a good show
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Speaker 3: lined up for you today. I'll tell you about that
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Speaker 3: coming up in a bit. I say this all the time.
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Speaker 3: I love doing this. I did this for thirty years
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Speaker 3: of my life, sat behind this slave, behind this hot
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Speaker 3: microphone every single day in these studios on this radio
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Speaker 3: station for twenty years. So I am so grateful to
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Speaker 3: Sean and to James and to Jackie and to all
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Speaker 3: the folks here at Broadway Media and ESPN seven hundred
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Speaker 3: for inviting an old soul back because I still feel like,
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Speaker 3: even though I'm not here anymore on a regular basis,
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Speaker 3: though you hear me on game days and everything else,
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Speaker 3: I still feel like there's a little piece of me
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Speaker 3: that's still here somewhere, because I left a lot here
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Speaker 3: over the years. And I want to thank my bosses
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Speaker 3: up at the University of Utah for granting me a
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Speaker 3: couple of times a month to pinch hit for Sean
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Speaker 3: to do this because it is so much fun to do.
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Speaker 3: It really is, and I love being back on the
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Speaker 3: airwaves with you guys. So the other thing I love
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Speaker 3: too is I do a weekly podcast, which gives me
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Speaker 3: a chance. It's an hour every week. I do a
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Speaker 3: podcast called Crimson Corner that you can find wherever you
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Speaker 3: get your podcasts. But it's not the same as doing
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Speaker 3: three hours every single day. So if you guys want
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Speaker 3: to interact with me, the text line is wide open
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Speaker 3: to you. If you want to bring a question up
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Speaker 3: to me, Maybe you'd want to just say hi. If
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Speaker 3: you want to talk utes, if you want to talk Masters,
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Speaker 3: if you want to talk about anything, college football, big twelve,
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Speaker 3: whatever it might be, running you basketball with the transfer
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Speaker 3: portal open. Hit me up on the text line today.
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Speaker 3: It's eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. Again,
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Speaker 3: that's eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
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Speaker 3: to hit me up on the old text line. I'll
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Speaker 3: read some text messages as they come in today. Apparently
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Speaker 3: we've got some golf to give away today, is what
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Speaker 3: James said. I love this, by the way, the Festival
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Speaker 3: of Teas. That's that's great. That's a pretty great way
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Speaker 3: to give away some golf. So we'll give away some
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Speaker 3: golf today on the program. Tell you about hot lunch
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Speaker 3: and what's for lunch today? Coming up with our friends
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Speaker 3: from Big Willie's. That'll be on the way. Got a
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Speaker 3: good guest list today too. We're gonna kind of touch
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Speaker 3: on a variety of topics here today on the program.
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Speaker 3: Obviously the Masters is going on right now. We'll give
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Speaker 3: you leaderboard updates. Hello, friends, we'll bring it back for
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Speaker 3: you today. If you missed it, we'll bring it back
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Speaker 3: and we'll check you with my buddy John Wrights, former
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Speaker 3: tour pro, former state amateur champion. Haven't talked to Johnny
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Speaker 3: on the air in a couple of years, and I
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Speaker 3: know he misses that, so I'll bring John back all
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Speaker 3: we'll talk a little bit about the match. Although I've
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Speaker 3: got to say I've always liked in the last what
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Speaker 3: six seven eight years, we've had a real local tie
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Speaker 3: to the Masters. No offense to Mike Weir, former Masters champion,
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Speaker 3: who's got ties to our area, he's not contending. It's
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Speaker 3: not a real legitimate and he's plus ten. He's not
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Speaker 3: going to play on the weekend. The whole thing. Tony
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Speaker 3: Fee now is not in the tournament right now. Tony
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Speaker 3: has not had a great year, to be very fair,
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Speaker 3: He's dropped out of the top fifty and as a result,
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Speaker 3: he is not playing at Augusta National this weekend. So
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Speaker 3: the leaderboard updates. And I've always here because Tony is
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Speaker 3: such a nice guy. I've only had a chance to
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Speaker 3: meet him a couple of times over the years. Our
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Speaker 3: pass just really really never crossed very much. But he's
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Speaker 3: just such a nice guy. And I love somebody that
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Speaker 3: reps our state in our city the way Tony does.
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Speaker 3: So it's a a little disappointing, and he's played The
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Speaker 3: funny thing is he generally plays pretty well at the
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Speaker 3: Masters too. I think his best finish a couple of
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Speaker 3: years ago was second or third. Maybe I'm off on that.
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Speaker 3: If I am, please forgive me. But he was a
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Speaker 3: top five guy and he's played well there. So it's
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Speaker 3: a little disappointing today that when I do my leaderboard updates,
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Speaker 3: Hello friends, that he will not be part of those
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Speaker 3: leaderboard updates. So we'll keep you updated on that. I'll
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Speaker 3: just tell you straight away that McElroy and Burns continue
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Speaker 3: to lead at the Masters. They're both five hunder par.
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Speaker 3: Sam Burns just started his round. Rory goes off in
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Speaker 3: a little while. By the way, Wyndam Clark had himself
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Speaker 3: a nice day today, so he's at four hundred park.
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Speaker 3: But we'll give you a full leaderboard update coming up.
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Speaker 3: John Wright will join me on the program today. We're
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Speaker 3: going to talk some Utah football in a little bit
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Speaker 3: different way. Today. We're gonna bring on because and this
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Speaker 3: is gonna be follow me here. We are gonna have
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Speaker 3: on the program here in about twenty minutes or so,
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Speaker 3: the Pig Farmer, Bryce and Barnes is gonna join us,
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna probably say, well, well, Bill, he doesn't
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Speaker 3: play for Utah anymore. I know he doesn't play for Utah.
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Speaker 3: He played for Utah. He gave us one of the
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Speaker 3: great moments in Utah football history when he tossed that
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Speaker 3: touchdown pass in the Rose Bowl, and then he had
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Speaker 3: a really nice season, led him to eight and four
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Speaker 3: when Cam was dealing with injuries. He had a really
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Speaker 3: great year last year, and he's done playing college football
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Speaker 3: now at Utah State. But the reason I want to
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Speaker 3: bring Bryson on is one, just check in see how
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Speaker 3: he's doing. But two, Bryce and Barnes played for Kevin
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Speaker 3: mcgiven at Utah State last year. Bryson Barnes had the
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Speaker 3: best year he could possibly ever expect to have, was
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Speaker 3: an All conference caliber quarterback a year ago under the
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Speaker 3: tutelage of Kevin mcgiven. So I wanted to talk to
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Speaker 3: Bryson a little bit about what he's up to these days,
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Speaker 3: but also what Utah can expect with Kevin McGivern running
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Speaker 3: the offense, and how Kevin played it as his strengths,
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Speaker 3: and what he thinks Kevin could do. Let's be very
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Speaker 3: fair the talent level at Utah is markedly higher than
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Speaker 3: the talent level at Utah State. So I wanted to
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Speaker 3: talk to Bryson a little bit about that. So we'll
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Speaker 3: talk from Utah football today. I do have a question
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Speaker 3: I want to throw your way at a bit. If
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Speaker 3: you're a Utah football fan and want to chime in
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Speaker 3: just a little bit, We're going to talk a little
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Speaker 3: bit about the transfer portal in college basketball and the
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Speaker 3: impact that it's having. It is, it's insane, really and truly.
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Speaker 3: The transfer portal has been open now for Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Speaker 3: this is the fourth day the transfer portal has been open.
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Speaker 3: And on the men's side, I haven't checked the numbers
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Speaker 3: on the women's side. On the men's side, there's over
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Speaker 3: twenty five hundred players in the transfer portal. Right now,
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Speaker 3: here's what I'm going to tell you, and this goes
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Speaker 3: for football as well as basketball. The numbers that have
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Speaker 3: bared out since the transferred portal has become a thing
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Speaker 3: are the fact that more than fifty percent I think
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Speaker 3: it's in the neighborhood of fifty four to fifty six
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Speaker 3: percent of the kids that enter the transfer portal do
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Speaker 3: not end up on the other side of the transfer
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Speaker 3: portal with a scholarship, they do not end up in
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Speaker 3: a better place, much less and less a place at all. Now,
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Speaker 3: these were numbers from a year ago. I haven't seen
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Speaker 3: updated numbers on this, but in the neighborhood of fifty
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Speaker 3: four to fifty six percent of kids that go into
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Speaker 3: the portal do not end up in a situation where
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Speaker 3: they're as good, better, or even with a scholarship on
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Speaker 3: the other side. That's insanity, it really is. So we're
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Speaker 3: gonna talk a little bit about that with my buddy
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Speaker 3: Casey Jacobs. And of course Casey is an analyst for
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Speaker 3: Fox Sports FS one Fox Sports. He did a number
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Speaker 3: of Utah games this year. We're gonna talk to him
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Speaker 3: a little bit about, you know, the areas where he
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Speaker 3: thinks Utah needs to get better this offseason to be
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Speaker 3: competitive in the Big twelve next season. So we'll talk
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Speaker 3: to Casey. Coming up with the program today, and we're
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Speaker 3: two weeks in fact, it's we're inside of two weeks now.
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Speaker 3: It's two weeks I think from yesterday that the NFL
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Speaker 3: Draft gets going. Day one is Thursday, Day two is Friday,
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Speaker 3: and then Day three is Saturday. For the NFL Draft,
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Speaker 3: and James correct me if I'm wrong. Is the NFL
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Speaker 3: Draft going to be carried as it has been for
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Speaker 3: many years here on ESPN seven hundred ninety do ONEm
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Speaker 3: We will have at least the first couple of days.
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Speaker 8: It depends on different things going on, but yeah, we
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Speaker 8: will have NFL Draft here on the stage.
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Speaker 3: So NFL Draft first couple of days for sure, which
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Speaker 3: means you'll probably hear Spencer Fano and Caleb Lomu's name
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Speaker 3: called on Day one. Both those guys are still being
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Speaker 3: projected as first round guys, Spencer for sure, Caleb's end
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Speaker 3: of the first round. But I don't think I've looked
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Speaker 3: at a mock draft, and I'm one of those weirdos
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Speaker 3: that loves mock drafts that I get into the NFL
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Speaker 3: Draft like you can't believe. And so I I don't
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Speaker 3: think I've seen a single mock draft where Caleb Blomu
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Speaker 3: wasn't picked somewhere between twenty and thirty two. So both
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Speaker 3: those guys should hear there. Anyway, There's a lot of
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Speaker 3: guys with local ties that are gonna be drafted this year.
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Speaker 3: Devin Jackson, a guy from when I used to do
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Speaker 3: this show on a regular basis. Was one of the
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Speaker 3: many draft analysts that I would like to bring on
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Speaker 3: this show. Devon's gonna join us today. We're gonna talk
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Speaker 3: to him a little bit about where he kind of
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Speaker 3: sees the range for obviously Spencer Fano, and is Spencerfano
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Speaker 3: gonna be a tackle because there's been a lot of
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Speaker 3: chatter by people that say he might be kicked inside
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Speaker 3: as a guard. Maybe some teams have had him workout
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Speaker 3: as a center. So we're gonna talk a little bit
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Speaker 3: about Spencer Fano, Caleb blomu Lander, Barton, Dallan Bentley, Jack
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Speaker 3: Kelly down at By, you's a guy that's got to
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Speaker 3: Chase Roberts at BYU's got a chance to be a
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Speaker 3: guy that's drafted as well, So we'll talk a little
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Speaker 3: bit about that with Devin Jackson. Then, of course, the
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Speaker 3: man whose name is now on the marquee here, whose
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Speaker 3: chair I'm sitting in today, Sean O'Connell, is going to
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Speaker 3: join me from I believe he's in Chicago. I believe
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Speaker 3: he's in Chicago today. He's got some pfl action, So
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Speaker 3: Sean will join us from the Windy City. The City
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Speaker 3: of Big Shoulders of Chicago today and we'll check in
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Speaker 3: with him. So that's what we've got on the docket today.
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Speaker 3: And you guys are more than halving. I mean, you're
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Speaker 3: more than willing. You can do whatever you would like
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Speaker 3: to do. Questions, comments, thoughts, opinions, whatever it might be
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Speaker 3: on the text line at eight seven seven three five
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Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred. That's again eight seven seven three
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Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred to get you in and
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Speaker 3: on board today here on the Shan O'Connell Show, guest
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Speaker 3: hosted by one Bill Reiley. Today here on Utah's number
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Speaker 3: one sports talk and home of the Utes, ESPN seven.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, just one little note speaking of
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Speaker 3: the Utes today, I will have a busy day today.
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Speaker 3: I will go straight from our Broadway Media studios here
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Speaker 3: in downtown Salt Lake City up to dump Key Family
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Speaker 3: Softball Stadium to call Little Softball on ESPN Plus this weekend.
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Speaker 3: The number one team in the country, the Texas Tech
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Speaker 3: Red Raiders, are in to play Utah in softball. Utah
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Speaker 3: Amy Hoag's got a really good team this year. Texas
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Speaker 3: Tech is the best team in softball this year, much
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Speaker 3: like they did in football. They have spent money big
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Speaker 3: time on softball as well. They may have not just
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Speaker 3: the best pitcher in the country, but also the second
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Speaker 3: best pitcher in the country. Should be a fun weekend
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Speaker 3: series if you can make it up. The weather should
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Speaker 3: be good today and tomorrow. That's a five o'clock start
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Speaker 3: time today and a noon start time tomorrow. But if
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Speaker 3: you can't catch myself and Laurel Simmons and Sammy Miller
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Speaker 3: on ESPN plus a little bit later on today calling
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Speaker 3: some softball. So that's what I will be doing later
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Speaker 3: today after I'm done filling in for Sean. Here today
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Speaker 3: on Utah's number one Sports Talk. So again, text line
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Speaker 3: if you want to reach me is eight seven seven
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Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred seven seven three five
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Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred to get you in and on
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Speaker 3: board today here on Utah's number one Sports Talk and
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Speaker 3: the Shat O'conddle Show guest hosted by yours truly, Bill Riley.
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Speaker 3: Here on Utah's number one Sports Talk ESPN seven hundred.
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Speaker 3: It's really weird getting used to this camera. The cameras
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Speaker 3: now James has turned on. James is in charge of
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Speaker 3: the cameras so he can make me look good or
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Speaker 3: look bad if he wants to. I had the one
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Speaker 3: right in front of me on for a minute, but
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Speaker 3: now that red light's off, so I have no idea
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Speaker 3: that now he's moving them around on me. It's really
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Speaker 3: it's really strange.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Bill, the auto got it, so they auto rotate
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Speaker 8: everything for a few seconds. So anyway, if you do
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Speaker 8: want to try to look right into the camera, you
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Speaker 8: look for that red lights.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna do that. You never you never
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Speaker 3: looked directly into the camera unless you're doing something. You're
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Speaker 3: you're trying to make a point, so you you just
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Speaker 3: let the camera find you, is what the trick is
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Speaker 3: in television. But yeah, you can watch on YouTube as well.
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Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred Sports Utah is where you find shot
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Speaker 3: o'condle show Spence check it's the whole thing, and do
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Speaker 3: that stuff on the YouTube channel as well. So I'll
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Speaker 3: read some text messages. Some have come in already, but
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Speaker 3: I did want to throw a football question out to you.
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Speaker 3: Spring football. For those of you that are jonesing for
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Speaker 3: a bunch of it, there's not a lot of news
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Speaker 3: news coming out. It's because spring football JET generally doesn't
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Speaker 3: do that, as I said a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 3: when I was on these airways, as I've said on
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Speaker 3: my podcast, Crimson Corner, it's just kind of a get
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Speaker 3: to know you time right now for Utah football, especially
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Speaker 3: on the offensive side of the football. It's a new
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Speaker 3: offensive system that Kevin McGivern is putting in. I ran
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Speaker 3: into I run into the athletes all the time, have
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Speaker 3: a chance to talk to him, because that's you know,
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Speaker 3: when you work up there, you bump into those folks
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Speaker 3: all the time. But I did run into Devin Dampier
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, and Devin told me things
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Speaker 3: are going really, really well, and he is a really
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Speaker 3: big fan of the possibilities of this offense and what
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Speaker 3: it might be under Kevin mcgiven So things right now
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Speaker 3: are good for Utah football because it's spring football and
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Speaker 3: it's a get to know you time, and things are
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Speaker 3: being installed, and the new coaching staff is getting to
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Speaker 3: know the players. There's a bunch of new players that
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Speaker 3: are getting to know the coaches and their teammates as well,
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Speaker 3: so it's going well. Yesterday was a time where Morgan
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Speaker 3: Scalley allowed the media to actually come in and watch
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Speaker 3: some football so that's that's that's been nice. I know
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Speaker 3: a lot of folks in my business and a lot
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Speaker 3: of folks that cover the team were excited to get
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Speaker 3: up there and put their eyes on it just a
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Speaker 3: little bit. And of course you'll read and hear about
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Speaker 3: all that stuff from the folks that were up there
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Speaker 3: as well. But it's right now a good time. There
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Speaker 3: are a number of new faces on this team this year,
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Speaker 3: and that kind of leads me into the question, at
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Speaker 3: least for Utah fans today. I'm just as you sit
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Speaker 3: here and kind of read and digest and you look
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Speaker 3: over stuff, I would really be curious from you Utah
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Speaker 3: fans to know who you think the most important newcomer
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Speaker 3: will be on this Utah roster this year. Not coaching.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about players on the roster. If you wanted
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Speaker 3: to go coaches, you could say, well, Morgan Scalley's head coach,
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Speaker 3: he's now we're not talking, we're not doing it, or
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Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven. No, we're gonna talk about specific players. Is
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Speaker 3: there a player As you have watched this team, you know,
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Speaker 3: go through spring just a little bit this year and
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Speaker 3: obviously teams and players adding players in the portal and
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Speaker 3: adding to the depth chart and roster that you believe
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Speaker 3: will be maybe the most important newcomer to Utah football.
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Speaker 3: If you have a thought on that, feel free to
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Speaker 3: share it. Eight seven seven three five three zero seven
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Speaker 3: As you've thought about it, and you've looked at it,
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Speaker 3: and you've kind of parsed the roster and the too deep,
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Speaker 3: at least in your head, too deep, because no official
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Speaker 3: two deeps are out yet. Is there a newcomer to
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Speaker 3: this Utah football team that you believe will be the
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Speaker 3: most important newcomer. Tell me who that is and why
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Speaker 3: you believe they might might be the most important newcomer
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Speaker 3: to the roster. Eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 3: you my take on that coming up here in a minute.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a number of guys that could play
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Speaker 3: very important roles with this team this year. But I'll
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Speaker 3: give you two guys that I think that are newcomers
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Speaker 3: that could have huge importance to this team and their
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Speaker 3: success moving forward this fall. So you hit me with
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Speaker 3: yours and anything else that may be on your mind. Questions, comments, thoughts, opinions,
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Speaker 3: seat again. No better way to kick off my weekend. Well,
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Speaker 3: thank you for those kind words, Todd, very much appreciated.
19:54
Speaker 3: This one comes in from Craig today. Craig says, great
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Speaker 3: to hear you, Bill. Well, thanks Craig, it's great to
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Speaker 3: be heard. I'll be back by the way again next week.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing this a couple of times a month. I
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Speaker 3: believe it's next Thursday. I'm filling in for Sean, so you'll, you'll,
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Speaker 3: I'm trying not to do too many that you're gonna
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Speaker 3: get sick of me. Right, you want to be appreciated,
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Speaker 3: you want to be missed a little bit, but you don't.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to overstay. You're welcome. Plus, this is
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Speaker 3: sit in for him just a little bit. Alec says, hey, Bill,
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Speaker 3: so glad to have you back in the air chair.
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Speaker 3: Couldn't think of a better way to kick off my weekend,
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Speaker 3: get it started. Still love the iconic intro doesn't get
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Speaker 3: any better than the voice of the Youth's much love
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Speaker 3: Alex Smith. That's, by the way, al E. C. Smith,
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Speaker 3: not Alex Smith. Alex likes me, but I can assure
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Speaker 3: you from his palatial estate in northern California, He's not
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Speaker 3: and better things to do. But Alex, thank you so
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Speaker 3: very much. Text in from Texter zero three one nine Bill.
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Speaker 3: Miss you well, Thank you very much, Miss you too.
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Speaker 3: Text message from forty one forty eight. Great to hear
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Speaker 3: you back on the air again. Hope everything is going
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Speaker 3: well and continues to do so. Things are going great.
21:09
Speaker 3: I love my dude job at the University of Utah's
21:11
Speaker 3: I told you a couple of weeks ago, and I
21:13
Speaker 3: love the fact that I could be back with you
21:14
Speaker 3: guys just a little bit as well doing this from
21:17
Speaker 3: time to time. And thanks again to James and Sean
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Speaker 3: and Jackie and the entire staff here for being kind
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Speaker 3: enough to let an old head like me come back
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Speaker 3: in and sit in the air chair a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Bart Or Brett says Brett Wardle good to have you back. Bill,
21:31
Speaker 3: You're the best we miss on the Daily Show. Well,
21:32
Speaker 3: thank you appreciate that. Here's a little bit of a
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Speaker 3: football question. Alan Jarvis says, hey, Bill, most importance. How
21:41
Speaker 3: about Braiden Pagan and the old lineman from Ohio State.
21:45
Speaker 3: Sorry can't remember his name. Okay, here's what I would say.
21:50
Speaker 3: I like using Braiden Pagan right now. I do I
21:55
Speaker 3: think you could name a number of offensive linemen because
21:59
Speaker 3: that's not so yet. If you wanted to make a
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Speaker 3: case for a young man from Ohio State, absolutely positively.
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Speaker 2: You can do that.
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Speaker 3: If you wanted to make a case to me for
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Speaker 3: I don't know, a guy like Telvin Obot, young man
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Speaker 3: that's the five star recruit from up in Fruitland, Idaho,
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Speaker 3: was coached by Jordan Gross. If you wanted to do
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Speaker 3: that for me, I would be fine with that. By
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Speaker 3: the way, Isaiah Kemma is the young man from Ohio State,
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Speaker 3: Allen if you were if you were curious, there are
22:34
Speaker 3: a number of ways that you can go if you
22:37
Speaker 3: if you wanted to say Cedric Jefferson, the young man
22:41
Speaker 3: that's the fourth to three year starter at Montana State
22:43
Speaker 3: who played for the national champion Grizzlies. I'm sorry, Bobcats. Bobcats,
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Speaker 3: not the Grizzlies. That's Montana, the Bobcats. Sorry, Cedric Uh. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he's the guy that's got championship pedigree. If you wanted
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Speaker 3: to sell me on him being one of the most
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Speaker 3: important players, I think you could do that as well.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a number of ways you could go
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Speaker 3: on that offensive line. So Alan, thank you for that.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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Speaker 3: If you want to make yourself heard. The question of
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Speaker 3: the day today is you look at this Utah football
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Speaker 3: roster and there's a number of newcomers on the roster
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Speaker 3: this year. Who would you say is the most Who
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Speaker 3: do you anticipate saying it today? That doesn't mean anything
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Speaker 3: saying it in August. Well, but if we're projecting ahead,
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Speaker 3: if you're making a guess, if you're hazarding a guest
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Speaker 3: on this, who do you think might be the most
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Speaker 3: important of the newcomers to Utah's success this fall? Eight
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Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. You could
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Speaker 3: go the way of a guy like Steven Chavez Sodo,
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Speaker 3: who's a running back. He might be important. What happens.
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Speaker 3: If something happens to was Sean Parker, you need to
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Speaker 3: have another back that can carry the load. This guy
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Speaker 3: might be it. He was a really good kind of
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Speaker 3: second banana freshman for San Jose State last year. If
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Speaker 3: you wanted to tell me Kyrie Sholz, a wide receiver
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Speaker 3: who had huge production last year at San Jose State,
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Speaker 3: I could buy that. If you wanted to tell me,
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Speaker 3: maybe it's going to be Ethan Day. Ethan Days the
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Speaker 3: young man that was a defensive end at North Texas.
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Speaker 3: He was one of the few guys from North Texas,
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Speaker 3: by the way, that didn't go with the coach to
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Speaker 3: Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State's coach is the former coach at
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Speaker 3: North Texas. I believe it's Morris is his last name.
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Speaker 3: He took the quarterback, he took, the real running back
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Speaker 3: he took. He took I think like thirteen or fourteen
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Speaker 3: guys with him from North Texas to Oklahoma State. That's
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Speaker 3: why a lot of people have picked Oklahoma State as
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Speaker 3: a team that could be a big bounce back team
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Speaker 3: this year. If you recall, he kind of did the
24:51
Speaker 3: same thing that Kurt Signetti did when he took the
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Speaker 3: Indiana job. He brought like fourteen or fifteen guys from
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Speaker 3: James was it James Madison? It was James Madison with
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Speaker 3: him to Indiana, and there was a reason why Indiana
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Speaker 3: had really good success in that first year. So maybe
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Speaker 3: maybe that a lot of people are saying, well, maybe
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Speaker 3: that also happens as well with the with the Oklahoma
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Speaker 3: State Cowboys. Anyway, make your case for me. We'll read
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Speaker 3: some of your text messages as we go here today
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Speaker 3: on the program eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 3: seven hundred. We'll get your master's leaderboard update coming here
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Speaker 3: in just a bit. We'll talk a little Utah football
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Speaker 3: coming up, Utah football, and just kind of a catch
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Speaker 3: up session here. Bryson Barnes is going to join us.
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Speaker 3: Bryson is a former ut but he played for Utah's
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Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator last year at Utah State. So the
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Speaker 3: man we like to call affectionately the pig Farmer, the
25:52
Speaker 3: Pride of Milford, Utah, is going to join us coming
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Speaker 3: up of the program here in just a couple of minutes,
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Speaker 3: and so we'll go in that direction today as well.
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Speaker 3: Leaderboard updates for the Masters today, We've got that coming up.
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Speaker 3: We'll tell you about today's hot lunch, or as I
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Speaker 3: like to call it, what's for lunch our friends at
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Speaker 3: Big Willies. We'll be providing that today. We're gonna be
26:10
Speaker 3: giving away golf today to Glendale as part of the
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Speaker 3: Festival of Teas and to Glenn Moore. The Glenn's are
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Speaker 3: getting some love today on the free golf, so we've
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Speaker 3: got that as well. John Wright will give us his
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Speaker 3: thoughts on the Masters today, Casey Jacobson on the Transfer portal,
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Speaker 3: all of that stuff coming up with the program today.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to some NFL draft a little bit later
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Speaker 3: on as well, which is inside of two weeks. First
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Speaker 3: day of the draft is thirteen days from today, Thursday
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Speaker 3: in April, and then Friday and then Saturday. And as
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Speaker 3: James said a little bit earlier, we'll have full coverage
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Speaker 3: here on Utah's number one Sports Talk ESPN seven. A
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Speaker 3: couple more text messages, then we'll grab a break and
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Speaker 3: welcome in our friend bryceon Barnes from Utah State and
26:54
Speaker 3: the former Ute. This one in for Jordan Peters. Jordan says,
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Speaker 3: how about Kelvin Obot. He choose to try to feel
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Speaker 3: to pick up where the old line left off, leading
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Speaker 3: the rushing attack last season. Seems like he has the
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Speaker 3: size and the talent to do so. I don't like
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Speaker 3: to put too much pressure on young players. This is
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Speaker 3: a kid that's a true freshman that's never played a
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Speaker 3: down of college football before. But when you're a five
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Speaker 3: star kid and he's a five star kid, and then
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Speaker 3: so many people have said, this kid is college football ready.
27:27
Speaker 3: I even talked to his former high school coach, the
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Speaker 3: man that's now coaching an offensive line at Utah now
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Speaker 3: that's Jordan Gross, and I've said, hey, how's Kelvin doing.
27:35
Speaker 3: He said, he's doing great. He's a freshman, but he's
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Speaker 3: doing great. So that's been the returns right now. Here's
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Speaker 3: what I will say. I said this on my podcast
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Speaker 3: the other day, Crimson corner, and I'll say it again.
27:49
Speaker 3: Just because somebody is being talked about as a tackle
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Speaker 3: now doesn't mean they're going to be a tackle when
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Speaker 3: the season rolls along. Jordan Gross has all these puzzle pieces.
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Speaker 3: Do you guys like to do puzzles? Puzzles are fun puzzles,
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Speaker 3: especially if you lay them out on your kitchen table
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Speaker 3: and they sit there for weeks and then you just
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Speaker 3: do some pieces here and they're really fun with. But
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Speaker 3: what the offensive line right now is just a gigantic puzzle.
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Speaker 3: Jordan's trying to see who fits where. So maybe you
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Speaker 3: think Kelvin Obot's a tackle, Well maybe he could be
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Speaker 3: a guard. You just never know. It's kind of the
28:27
Speaker 3: same thing we've been saying with the NFL Draft. Everybody says,
28:29
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yes, Spencer Fano. By the way, it's driving
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Speaker 3: me crazy. I listen to a lot of these NFL
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Speaker 3: draft shows. Excuse me, somebody needs to get to these
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Speaker 3: guys and say the man. I've heard so many people
28:43
Speaker 3: calling him Spencer Fano, Spencer Fano. The man's name is Fano.
28:48
Speaker 3: Get it right. Put some respect on his name. He's
28:51
Speaker 3: gonna be a first round choice anyway. The point is
28:56
Speaker 3: Spencer Fano was an All American right tackle at Utah.
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Speaker 3: Chance he might play guard. You go where you fit best,
29:03
Speaker 3: You go where you help the team the most. So
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Speaker 3: guys that have played in certain positions may play in
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Speaker 3: other positions. But that is also the great part of
29:11
Speaker 3: the flexibility of being on offensive line is figuring out
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Speaker 3: who can move where. And Fono was the guy that
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Speaker 3: began on the left, moved to the right, We've had
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Speaker 3: guys who began as tackles that have moved to guards.
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Speaker 3: My point is, what's happening right now is Utah Kevin McGivern,
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Speaker 3: Jordan Gross just trying to figure out where the puzzle
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Speaker 3: pieces fit best. So anyway, we'll get some more of
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Speaker 3: those text messages coming up in just a couple of
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Speaker 3: minutes here on the program today, Bryce and Barnes is
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Speaker 3: going to join us next. Great to be underweight and
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Speaker 3: with you on this Friday here on the Seat O'Connell Show,
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Speaker 3: Bill Riley pinch hitting today for Sean who's on assignment
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Speaker 3: in Chicago. He'll join us a little bit later on
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Speaker 3: FM, Sean O'Connell Show on a Friday. Sean is out today,
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Speaker 3: So I'm sitting in Bill Rightley with you here on
30:26
Speaker 3: this Friday afternoon back of the air chair today. Have
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Speaker 3: a leaderboard update coming for you on the Masters. Not
30:31
Speaker 3: not a whole lot's changed at the top of the
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Speaker 3: leader board just because the guys that were leading yesterday
30:36
Speaker 3: are just getting underway or just getting ready to get
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Speaker 3: underweight today. But we will give you a leaderboard update
30:41
Speaker 3: coming up in just a bit. We'll give away some
30:43
Speaker 3: pre golf as well as the Festival of Teas. I
30:46
Speaker 3: love that, by the way, James told me about that.
30:48
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that. We'll talk some Masters with John
30:52
Speaker 3: right after the top of the hour. Casey Jacobson was
30:54
Speaker 3: a little transferred portal stuff, then some NFL draft stuff
30:58
Speaker 3: with Devin Jackson, a form guy that used to come
31:00
Speaker 3: on with me all the time when I did this
31:02
Speaker 3: on a regular basis. We'll join us in the one
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Speaker 3: o'clock hour, but right now we welcome back to the airwaves.
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Speaker 3: He used to come on with me all the time too,
31:10
Speaker 3: especially his last year here. A former Utah quarterback, former
31:16
Speaker 3: Utah state quarterback. And now we've got to find out
31:18
Speaker 3: what he's gonna do with his life. I'm gonna guess
31:21
Speaker 3: he's not moving back to Milford anytime soon, but we'll
31:25
Speaker 3: find out. I also want to pick his brain a
31:27
Speaker 3: little bit too on what Utah's offense might look like
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Speaker 3: this year with Kevin mcgiven coming in the guy that
31:32
Speaker 3: coached him a year ago. Bryson Barnes joining us here
31:35
Speaker 3: on The Shaan O'Connell Show with Bill Riley.
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Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 9: I'm doing good man, Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 3: It's been a minute. Bryson, how's life?
31:44
Speaker 2: Hey?
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Speaker 9: Things are going great, kind of in this limb period
31:47
Speaker 9: right now. You don't spend the last you know about March,
31:54
Speaker 9: you know, pepping for Proda and Neil putting on a
31:57
Speaker 9: good performance for the Scouts, and then you kind of
31:59
Speaker 9: just wait and see with meetings and stuff in April
32:01
Speaker 9: and then you know, you hope for the best and
32:03
Speaker 9: plan on things going well. Come around to April twenty
32:06
Speaker 9: third to the twenty fifth.
32:08
Speaker 3: Well, so to tell us how that win? How did
32:10
Speaker 3: pro Day? How did all that stuff go? What's the
32:12
Speaker 3: feedback you're getting? What would you like to do? What
32:15
Speaker 3: are your plans?
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Speaker 2: Bryson?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, So obviously most ideal situations is to get out
32:22
Speaker 9: a team some there. I feel like if I have
32:24
Speaker 9: the right spot and the right opportunity, I think with
32:26
Speaker 9: my my process and my work ethic that I'm going
32:29
Speaker 9: to be able to make the most of it, and
32:30
Speaker 9: I think I'll be able to find a roster spot somewhere.
32:32
Speaker 9: And you know, as long as the opportunity is given
32:34
Speaker 9: and I have an actual shot, you know, I really
32:37
Speaker 9: do feel comfortable about my ability and to kind of
32:41
Speaker 9: go in there and you know, make a fifty three
32:43
Speaker 9: mins roster.
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Speaker 3: If I would have told you, all, let's go back
32:46
Speaker 3: in time, like four years, four and a half years,
32:50
Speaker 3: If I would have told you you were in position
32:53
Speaker 3: to have a Pro day and have NFL teams at
32:56
Speaker 3: least talking to you and you were talking about having
32:59
Speaker 3: a pro football career four and a half years ago,
33:02
Speaker 3: when you were still a walk on at Utah, what
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Speaker 3: would you have told me?
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Speaker 9: So I've definitely been mixed about it because my entire
33:11
Speaker 9: mindset when I was in college was I wanted to
33:12
Speaker 9: be the best college football player that I can meet,
33:15
Speaker 9: and whatever that ended up coming of it would have
33:18
Speaker 9: came on it. And so if that would have been
33:19
Speaker 9: professional football, great, If that had been a starting quarterback
33:21
Speaker 9: for three years, great, started quarterback food and you're great.
33:24
Speaker 9: You know, that was kind of my mindset going into it.
33:26
Speaker 9: But then I would say, around that time, when I
33:28
Speaker 9: was a walk on quarterback and I was sitting behind
33:30
Speaker 9: Cam and I was seeing the success that Cam was happening,
33:34
Speaker 9: and I'm going like, man, like Cam the baller, he's
33:37
Speaker 9: doing it in this system. I know how to operate
33:39
Speaker 9: and run this system. Like I feel like if I
33:42
Speaker 9: could actually go out there and run this system, you know,
33:44
Speaker 9: I feel like I'd be able to do a pretty
33:45
Speaker 9: good job. And you know, being at Utah, you know
33:47
Speaker 9: you're playing high caliber teams. Were ranked in the top
33:50
Speaker 9: twenty five point often, so it's like, man, I actually
33:52
Speaker 9: think I might have an actual shot at the NFL.
33:54
Speaker 9: But that was never like, man, this is plan A,
33:57
Speaker 9: Here we go. Plan A for me was always be
33:59
Speaker 9: the player that I can be where I'm at right now.
34:03
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you had to get on the field first.
34:05
Speaker 3: You were buried on the depth chart. I mean, thinking
34:08
Speaker 3: about playing pro football, you have to get on the
34:10
Speaker 3: field to prove yourself first. And you got that opportunity
34:13
Speaker 3: because of the injuries to Cam. Then you went to
34:15
Speaker 3: Utah States, you had one coordinator one year, won the
34:19
Speaker 3: next year. I want to speak specifically about last year, Bryson,
34:22
Speaker 3: because you were an All league quarterback last yeight actually
34:25
Speaker 3: talked to some people that said you were technically second
34:28
Speaker 3: team All mount and West. Most people thought you had
34:30
Speaker 3: an All Mount West caliber season. What changed for you
34:34
Speaker 3: last year, especially with Kevin mcgiven coaching you.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel like everything that kind of went into
34:42
Speaker 9: my senior year having Bronco Metta in the hall as
34:44
Speaker 9: my head coach, and his coaching techniques and philosophies and
34:48
Speaker 9: the principles that he instilled in a team as from
34:51
Speaker 9: a cultural perspective really fit me well. Then also, I
34:55
Speaker 9: mean Kevin coach mac gee or whatever. We've got a
34:58
Speaker 9: ton of nicknames for the guy, but his system it
35:02
Speaker 9: really to fit who I was as a player. But
35:05
Speaker 9: the more that i've kind of now that I'm out
35:08
Speaker 9: and I've looked at it, I mean, his system is
35:11
Speaker 9: very adaptable to whatever the quarterbacks and strengths are and
35:15
Speaker 9: the teams of strings, and I feel like that was
35:18
Speaker 9: just the one thing that was super unique about it
35:20
Speaker 9: was the system that we kind of had to start
35:24
Speaker 9: the spring and winner to what it evolved to by
35:27
Speaker 9: the end of the season, like two completely different offenses.
35:30
Speaker 9: But it's all the same stuff. If that makes any.
35:32
Speaker 3: Sense, Oh it does, So what was it? I and
35:36
Speaker 3: I've heard that from so many people that I've talked
35:39
Speaker 3: to about Kevin. I've had a chance to catch up
35:41
Speaker 3: with Kevin a few times too, about how adaptable and
35:44
Speaker 3: malleable his offenses are to the talent that he has.
35:48
Speaker 3: What was it that he did specifically with you, Bryce,
35:51
Speaker 3: And what do you think that it was that he
35:53
Speaker 3: did or tailored to your strings it made last year
35:57
Speaker 3: so successful?
35:58
Speaker 2: To you?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the first thing was he brought in
36:03
Speaker 9: these passing concepts and this pass game knowledge that I
36:06
Speaker 9: had never really been exposed to before. And so I
36:09
Speaker 9: feel like he not only was able to create an
36:12
Speaker 9: offense kind of around me, but also elevate my game
36:15
Speaker 9: and my play to what he thinks I could become
36:18
Speaker 9: as well. And so I learned more about the path
36:20
Speaker 9: game and how certain routes and route concepts to manipulate
36:24
Speaker 9: certain coverages and which defenders are going to take which routes.
36:28
Speaker 9: I just learned so many just intricacies about the passing
36:31
Speaker 9: game itself from magazine that I really think led into
36:35
Speaker 9: the success. But then, I mean, you just go back
36:37
Speaker 9: and you look through all the quarterbacks that he's touched
36:39
Speaker 9: when he was at San Jose and every dude that
36:42
Speaker 9: he was with there, like he knows how to play
36:44
Speaker 9: to the quarterback strings and how to get the quarterbacks
36:47
Speaker 9: to play well and play effective.
36:49
Speaker 3: Rice and Barnes is with us today here on the
36:52
Speaker 3: Shad O'Connell Show, hosted by Bill Riley Pinched hitting for
36:55
Speaker 3: Sean today, bryceon of course you know and from his
36:58
Speaker 3: Utah days in Utah's eight. So first and foremost, you
37:04
Speaker 3: said you've got a lot of nicknames for Kevin. Give
37:06
Speaker 3: me one that's really gonna make him laugh, Because when
37:08
Speaker 3: I see him in the hallways, I would have walked
37:10
Speaker 3: by him and call him a nickname that you guys,
37:12
Speaker 3: what should I say that we'll get his attention or
37:14
Speaker 3: make him laugh?
37:16
Speaker 9: Call him Maverick.
37:17
Speaker 3: Okay, so I should walk by and say say, what
37:21
Speaker 3: what's up, Maverick?
37:23
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, say that he's a big top gun guy.
37:26
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we'll see. We'll see if he requests
37:30
Speaker 3: a flyby or not. But I'll I'll call him. I'll
37:33
Speaker 3: call him Maverick and see what kind of reaction I get.
37:36
Speaker 3: And if he gets mad, I'm gonna say, Bryson told
37:38
Speaker 3: me to call you, Maverick, and we'll go we'll go
37:42
Speaker 3: from there. So you you you also know you're you
37:46
Speaker 3: know this Utah program very very well, and you know
37:49
Speaker 3: the level of talent that's in this Utah football program.
37:53
Speaker 3: And obviously from a distance you saw Devin damp here
37:56
Speaker 3: in the year that he had last year. What do
37:58
Speaker 3: you think Kevin moved from Utah State to Utah this
38:01
Speaker 3: year now on Morgan Scalley's staff, What kind of things
38:05
Speaker 3: do you think he'll be able to do with this offense,
38:07
Speaker 3: specifically working with Devon and Bird Ficklin.
38:12
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's going to be It's going to
38:15
Speaker 9: be a completely different offense while we ran last year.
38:17
Speaker 9: And because of the personnel I mean, from what I
38:20
Speaker 9: know about Devon and Bird is you've just got two
38:22
Speaker 9: elite playmakers. Like when the ball's in their hands, especially,
38:25
Speaker 9: things going to happen. And that is one thing about
38:28
Speaker 9: mac ge that dude is going to find a way
38:30
Speaker 9: to get the ball in their hands and they're going
38:32
Speaker 9: to make plays. And I say that we had three
38:35
Speaker 9: running backs last year that were really good talented players.
38:38
Speaker 9: There were times when we were in thirty personnel running
38:41
Speaker 9: one word calls against Texas A and m that Texas
38:43
Speaker 9: A and m had fits trying to guard and that
38:46
Speaker 9: was by Utah State. So I can just imagine what
38:50
Speaker 9: kind of stuff Magg's gonna have drawn up on the
38:52
Speaker 9: board for Bird and Devons. I'm really excited about. I
38:55
Speaker 9: think it's going to be electric.
38:56
Speaker 3: Well, not only Bird and Devon, but your old teammate
38:59
Speaker 3: Nate Johnson back in the mix too.
39:04
Speaker 9: I didn't know he was still playing there. That's that's
39:06
Speaker 9: good to hear. He's great athlete, freaky speed that I
39:10
Speaker 9: mean to me, that just kind of adds to it.
39:12
Speaker 9: You've got you've got the playmakers, you've got the talent there,
39:15
Speaker 9: and there's no doubt in the fact he's gonna utilize it.
39:17
Speaker 9: He's done it year in and year out.
39:20
Speaker 3: Rice Barnes with us here at ESPN seven hundred today.
39:23
Speaker 3: You also know one of the top additions to this
39:26
Speaker 3: Utah roster very very well. You two had an excellent
39:29
Speaker 3: connection a year ago. What is Utah getting with Braden Pagan?
39:35
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're getting You're getting a baller. That's the first
39:37
Speaker 9: thing I'm gonna talk about VP. That dude is a baller.
39:41
Speaker 9: He's he's got the length, he's got the speed, he's
39:44
Speaker 9: got the athleticism and you throw that ball up, I
39:47
Speaker 9: would say it's not it's not even a fifty fifty
39:49
Speaker 9: ball you're throwing up at that point, you're throwing it out.
39:51
Speaker 9: The VP is gonna come down with a Lea's he's
39:54
Speaker 9: got great range and knowledge of what he's doing. I mean,
39:57
Speaker 9: having another year in the system, like, I think it's
40:00
Speaker 9: gonna be a great addition. And I mean there's been
40:02
Speaker 9: a few clips they've been posted of him making some
40:04
Speaker 9: catches in the spring ball and it doesn't surprise me
40:07
Speaker 9: one to.
40:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is somebody people including myself, are very excited
40:12
Speaker 3: to see. You know, this last couple of years, Utah
40:15
Speaker 3: didn't really necessarily stretch the field. A lot is braidon
40:19
Speaker 3: a guy that can stretch the field. Is he a
40:21
Speaker 3: guy that can get behind defenses and be a deep threat?
40:24
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I mean there's a he's That's the thing
40:29
Speaker 9: is like with him, he's got the speed, he's got
40:31
Speaker 9: the size. Usually you don't see the size and the
40:33
Speaker 9: speed that kind of matchup. Usually you have a big
40:36
Speaker 9: guy relaxing the speed, but or like the smaller guy
40:39
Speaker 9: that has the speed. Braidon here. I mean you're talking
40:42
Speaker 9: sixty three sixty four two hundred plus pounds, and he's
40:46
Speaker 9: gonna be a guy that's running past corners, running past stretching,
40:49
Speaker 9: you know, listening and lifting the shell, beating the coverage
40:52
Speaker 9: over the top like he's he's to do it all. Pony.
40:55
Speaker 2: Uh.
40:56
Speaker 3: I don't know if you did you guys play San
40:58
Speaker 3: Jose State last year?
41:00
Speaker 9: Yes, we did.
41:01
Speaker 3: Did you remember seeing it?
41:02
Speaker 2: Now?
41:02
Speaker 3: Again? I'm asking you you're you look mostly the defense,
41:05
Speaker 3: but they added another wide receiver. The coach mcgiven Maverick
41:08
Speaker 3: knew well. He recruited him to San Jose State. That's
41:11
Speaker 3: Kyrie Scholz.
41:13
Speaker 2: Kay.
41:14
Speaker 9: I don't know much of it, but I'm pretty sure
41:16
Speaker 9: he is.
41:17
Speaker 2: He a big, bigger bodied guy.
41:18
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, I can, just I remember. I didn't watch
41:22
Speaker 9: a ton of it. I only remember watching kind of
41:24
Speaker 9: a few parts, especially towards the end when San Jose
41:27
Speaker 9: State had the ball right at the end of the game,
41:29
Speaker 9: so we were watching it and yeah, big big body, Uh,
41:34
Speaker 9: great build. I don't know much about him or anything
41:36
Speaker 9: play style wise, but I do know looking at him,
41:40
Speaker 9: and he looked a part.
41:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a good year. He didn't have quite
41:44
Speaker 3: the numbers Brayton had last year. But he was in
41:46
Speaker 3: that he was in that neighborhood of like seven out
41:48
Speaker 3: of fifty yards and six touchdowns for San Jose State.
41:53
Speaker 9: Oh nice, Yeah, and we're back g if he if
41:56
Speaker 9: he's pulling in a dude from where he was before,
41:59
Speaker 9: like there's a good reason for it. If he thinks
42:01
Speaker 9: he's going to be able to add to that pass
42:04
Speaker 9: game and the threat that they have already, Like there's
42:07
Speaker 9: a good reason why he's there.
42:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people are rightfully excited. If you had
42:11
Speaker 3: to tell you get you know, you're on the home
42:13
Speaker 3: of the Utes here, fifty thousand watts all over the
42:15
Speaker 3: state of Utah. And I'm sure plenty of Utah fans
42:18
Speaker 3: had talked to you about this too when you've run
42:20
Speaker 3: into them. But what should Utah fans be most excited about?
42:23
Speaker 3: And having Kevin mcgiven as their offensive coordinator, Man, I.
42:27
Speaker 9: Think it's going to be a completely different kind of
42:30
Speaker 9: taste of Utah offensive football that we've had the last
42:33
Speaker 9: couple of years. I wasn't too aware of what was
42:36
Speaker 9: going on last year. I know they were really really effective,
42:39
Speaker 9: great o line all that, but I think it's going
42:41
Speaker 9: to be a little bit different than what you fans
42:44
Speaker 9: are really used to Mac Gee his mind works with
42:47
Speaker 9: the pass game, and I think it's going to be
42:49
Speaker 9: really cool to kind of see him working with Devin's
42:53
Speaker 9: strange and him throwing the ball and ranging the ball
42:55
Speaker 9: as well. I really do think that Devon's going to
42:58
Speaker 9: have a year where you can honestly expect three past
43:00
Speaker 9: the yards and a thousand on the ground. Like I
43:01
Speaker 9: don't think that's really over the top expectations for a
43:05
Speaker 9: player like that and that type of system.
43:07
Speaker 3: He would have been close to it last year had
43:10
Speaker 3: he got you know, he was didn't miss a lot
43:12
Speaker 3: of time, but he was banged up a little bit
43:14
Speaker 3: and missed some time within games. But you know, much
43:17
Speaker 3: like you, I mean, twenty five hundred and twenty five
43:21
Speaker 3: hundred yards passing and I think seven hundred yards rushing.
43:24
Speaker 3: You two guys were two of the few guys that
43:26
Speaker 3: were close to that last year. But I agree with you.
43:28
Speaker 3: I think Devin's got that type of skill set in
43:31
Speaker 3: him to be able to pass for especially with the
43:33
Speaker 3: weapons now and from what it sounds like what Kevin
43:36
Speaker 3: mcgiven likes to do with the pass game.
43:38
Speaker 9: Yep, yes, no, I agree, and I think yeah, and
43:41
Speaker 9: whatever deficiencies. You know, deficiencies often show up in season
43:45
Speaker 9: then you don't really know them until then. And his
43:48
Speaker 9: ability to adjust and adapt to where we find where Okay,
43:52
Speaker 9: this is where we're defishing in, but this is where
43:53
Speaker 9: we're selling at and trying to find the balance between
43:55
Speaker 9: those two. Like, I've just never seen anybody be able
43:58
Speaker 9: to find it so quickly and being able to fly
44:00
Speaker 9: it so well to a team.
44:02
Speaker 3: So should I go mac G or should I go Maverick?
44:05
Speaker 3: I mean you've called him mac G like seven times
44:07
Speaker 3: in this interview, Bryson. But is Maverick the one that
44:10
Speaker 3: will catch his attention?
44:12
Speaker 9: Maverick go catch his attention mac G. That's kind of
44:15
Speaker 9: a that's commonplace now, that's that's like, oh, if you
44:18
Speaker 9: call him mac G, like okay, yeah, he gets it.
44:19
Speaker 9: Did you call him Maverick? That's like that's like a
44:22
Speaker 9: little inside joke.
44:24
Speaker 3: Is that like inside the quarterback room, people would call
44:26
Speaker 3: him Maverick?
44:28
Speaker 9: Yes, so yeah, fun fun fact. The quarterback coach for
44:33
Speaker 9: Utah State, he goes, he's they call him Rooster. He's
44:36
Speaker 9: Rooster and uh and Kevin's Maverick. That was kind of
44:40
Speaker 9: the inside joke there.
44:42
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough. And that's old by the way, that's
44:44
Speaker 3: that's not top Gun too, that's original top Gun stuff
44:47
Speaker 3: right there.
44:48
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, oh yeah, the top Gun. It ran deep
44:52
Speaker 9: in the quarterback room last year.
44:54
Speaker 3: All right, Before I let you go, best case scenario
44:57
Speaker 3: for Bryson Barnes over the next month or two is what.
45:02
Speaker 9: Best case scenario? Man, best case scenario you get drafted.
45:07
Speaker 9: That's a best case scenario. But I'm just my best
45:11
Speaker 9: case scenario is to have an opportunity somewhere to get
45:13
Speaker 9: a legit opportunity to make a fifty three nine roster.
45:16
Speaker 3: Okay, get that agent working for you, Bryson, would.
45:19
Speaker 9: You no doubt I'm gonna get on them for sure.
45:22
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for doing this. It's great catching up with
45:25
Speaker 3: you as always. It was so much fun to see
45:28
Speaker 3: that season that you had last year with Bronco and
45:32
Speaker 3: Maverick and all those guys up in Logan, and I
45:35
Speaker 3: was so happy for you. I know Utah fans were
45:37
Speaker 3: thrilled for you as well. So we'll keep our fingers
45:39
Speaker 3: crossed in the next two weeks that you get that invite,
45:43
Speaker 3: even if it's not a draft day invite, it's a
45:46
Speaker 3: free agent invite to somebody's camp. Thanks Bryson, Yes, sir man,
45:50
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
45:51
Speaker 9: Thank you.
45:51
Speaker 3: There you go, Bryson Barnes with us aka the Pig Farmer,
45:55
Speaker 3: the pride of Milford, Utah. By the way, his brother,
45:58
Speaker 3: I believe, is now on the football team. So the
46:00
Speaker 3: Barnes family has produced some elite athletes coming out of
46:04
Speaker 3: little tiny Milford, Utah. And he's just always been such
46:10
Speaker 3: a great dude. And he was at Utah. He knew
46:13
Speaker 3: his future there with all the things that were going,
46:16
Speaker 3: so he opted to go and he got into a
46:19
Speaker 3: great place. For two years at Utah State, he was
46:22
Speaker 3: a terrific quarterback, especially last year with Bronco Menden Hall
46:25
Speaker 3: taking over as head coach and Kevin mcgiven is his
46:28
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. He over twenty five hundred yards passing over
46:32
Speaker 3: seven hundred yards rushing and was a second team All
46:35
Speaker 3: Mountain West second team All Mountain West quarterback up at
46:39
Speaker 3: Utah State. Appreciate him. Take a few minutes with us
46:41
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46:43
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Speaker 3: have drifted in. Thank you, by the way for your
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Speaker 3: text messages. Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
48:53
Speaker 3: This one says most important player coming up this fall,
48:56
Speaker 3: most important newcomer. How about mo or one of the
48:59
Speaker 3: new defense bas Gyramo is a defensive tackle. He played
49:04
Speaker 3: at San Jose State last year. He is a space eater.
49:08
Speaker 3: He will certainly be in the mix, There's no doubt
49:10
Speaker 3: about that. And there's a number of new defensive backs
49:13
Speaker 3: that are out there too. Chenault could be really good.
49:15
Speaker 3: Read could be really good. So those newcomers will certainly
49:19
Speaker 3: have an impact this fall. Thomas Walsh Thomas, Hey, Bill,
49:24
Speaker 3: do you think the Chiefs are gonna bounce back this year?
49:26
Speaker 2: I do?
49:26
Speaker 3: Now, Well, they get back to the Super Bowl and
49:28
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl. That that I don't know, but yeah,
49:31
Speaker 3: if Patrick Patrick Mahomes comes back from that knee injury,
49:34
Speaker 3: yeah they're gonna be.
49:35
Speaker 2: They have to.
49:36
Speaker 3: They have to hit a home run. Shouldn't say a
49:37
Speaker 3: home run, they have to hit at least a double
49:40
Speaker 3: or a triple. In the draft coming up in a
49:41
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. But yes, I do think they'll bounce
49:43
Speaker 3: back and they'll be right there with the with the Broncos.
49:47
Speaker 3: Probably is the favorites in the West. Sorry, Charger fans.
49:50
Speaker 3: I gotta see a little bit more from the Chargers
49:52
Speaker 3: before I say they're a favorite in the West. A
49:55
Speaker 3: chance last year, but anyway, uh text Cad Whartman, Hey Kate,
50:04
Speaker 3: Kate says Hey Bill, it's not a newcomer, but should
50:07
Speaker 3: be a starter. I think you'll have a big, a
50:09
Speaker 3: big piece of the Utah defense this year. Trey Reynolds
50:12
Speaker 3: gonna do big things. Yeah, Trey's good, and yeah he's
50:15
Speaker 3: gonna slide into one of those starting roles. In all likelihood.
50:17
Speaker 3: He was kind of the fourth linebacker last year because
50:20
Speaker 3: you had Levanni de Mooney, you had Lander Barton, and
50:23
Speaker 3: you had John O.
50:24
Speaker 9: Hall.
50:25
Speaker 3: Well it's now he and John neu Hall and Trey
50:27
Speaker 3: is a really good player. And I can tell you
50:29
Speaker 3: that his defensive coordinator in linebackers coach loves him. He
50:34
Speaker 3: does he Trey's gonna be a nice player, but not
50:37
Speaker 3: a newcomer, but he'll be a nice player. Text message
50:41
Speaker 3: This went in from thirty three sixty six. Hey Bill,
50:44
Speaker 3: just feels right to have you back on the air.
50:46
Speaker 3: Disappointed the spring game got canceled. It feels like another
50:49
Speaker 3: negative ripple effect for fans where college football is right now? No, no, no, no,
50:53
Speaker 3: not really don't. They're gonna have a nice kind of
50:57
Speaker 3: fan fest where it's gonna be called the twenty two
51:02
Speaker 3: for you Spring Day on the eighteenth, to be very fair,
51:06
Speaker 3: and I've been up there for the last seventeen years.
51:10
Speaker 3: The spring football game isn't what it once was because
51:13
Speaker 3: you hold so many key players out. It's a glorified practice.
51:18
Speaker 3: So don't look at it that way. You're gonna have
51:21
Speaker 3: a chance to get to see and meet the players
51:24
Speaker 3: at the twenty two for you events and get to
51:27
Speaker 3: see inside the indoor facility and do a bunch of stuff.
51:31
Speaker 3: Most programs are doing away with this. Big programs too,
51:35
Speaker 3: like Utah, So I don't don't look at it that way.
51:39
Speaker 3: Just look at it as a chance to get to
51:40
Speaker 3: know the team a little bit and they want an
51:42
Speaker 3: extra practice, and so they're gonna go that way. Don't don't.
51:45
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of a Utah is not alone in this.
51:48
Speaker 3: It's become a trend in recent years. A lot of
51:50
Speaker 3: programs aren't doing spring football games anymore. So anyway, Joshua says,
51:56
Speaker 3: Bryce Barnes is the man. Armor's a good dude, no
52:00
Speaker 3: doubt about that. This one comes in from Caden Hanson.
52:05
Speaker 3: Cayden says, hey, Bill, what's up, brother, Hope things are well.
52:08
Speaker 3: Glad to hear you back on the airwaves. What's your way?
52:11
Speaker 3: Too early expectation for the Utes this year Big Twelve
52:14
Speaker 3: Championship too much of a stretch under Scalley for the
52:17
Speaker 3: first year. No, I don't think it is.
52:19
Speaker 2: Now.
52:20
Speaker 3: They've got questions to answer like everybody does. There's no
52:22
Speaker 3: doubt about that. But so does Texas Tech, so does BYU,
52:26
Speaker 3: so does Arizona State, so does Arizona Sodas Houston. But
52:31
Speaker 3: I've said this all along, Utah will be right there.
52:34
Speaker 3: In contention, I think they are a ten win team again,
52:37
Speaker 3: I do. I believe they're gonna win ten games this year,
52:40
Speaker 3: maybe eleven. I think they will be right there. I
52:43
Speaker 3: think they benefit from the fact that they don't have
52:44
Speaker 3: to play Texas Tech in the regular season two. So no,
52:48
Speaker 3: I don't think it's my way too early expectation. Is
52:52
Speaker 3: Texas Tech, BYU, and Utah are the three best teams
52:55
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve. If you listen to my podcast,
52:58
Speaker 3: Crimson Corner on a regular base, as you know that
53:00
Speaker 3: I do this. I pick out a way too early
53:02
Speaker 3: top twenty five every week, and I've said this, I
53:05
Speaker 3: think Utah right now. Most people have them in their
53:08
Speaker 3: way too early top twenty fives, and a majority of
53:11
Speaker 3: them have Utah in that fifteen to twenty range. That
53:15
Speaker 3: feels right to me. It does. Utah's got questions, they do.
53:20
Speaker 3: They've got to replace their entire offensive line, and they've
53:22
Speaker 3: got a relatively new they're not new to coaching, but
53:26
Speaker 3: they're a new staff together here. So yeah, there's questions.
53:30
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's out of the realm of
53:31
Speaker 3: possibility that Utah can play for a big twelve championship
53:34
Speaker 3: this year. I think a lot of people have Texas
53:37
Speaker 3: Tech is the unquestioned favorite. Probably fine with that, but
53:42
Speaker 3: that class they had a year ago, that transfer class,
53:46
Speaker 3: and that that was a pretty special group, and they're
53:49
Speaker 3: having to retool a lot of that too. Now do
53:51
Speaker 3: they have the funding to do it. They absolutely do,
53:54
Speaker 3: but we'll see if they can hit as many home
53:57
Speaker 3: runs this year as they did last year. BYU is
54:00
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54:02
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54:07
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54:13
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54:16
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54:19
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Speaker 9: I do.
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54:31
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54:36
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Speaker 3: Augusta National and the second round of the Masters. Your
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Speaker 3: leader on this Friday afternoon, England's very own Torell Hatton
56:45
Speaker 3: Hatton on a heater today seven under par crew sixteen holes.
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Speaker 3: I and fellow Englishman Rory McElroy tied for the lead
56:56
Speaker 3: at five under par. Rory has played a hole, He's
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Speaker 3: even for the day. Today they hold a one shot
57:03
Speaker 3: lead over the United States. Is Wyndham Clark who's in
57:06
Speaker 3: the clubhouse at four under and a four under sixty
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Speaker 3: eight today. Justin Rose making a charge today, another Englishman
57:15
Speaker 3: two under for the day, four under for the tournament
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Speaker 3: for Justin Rose through fourteen holes. Day one co leader
57:22
Speaker 3: Sam Burns has fallen a bit off the pace today.
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Speaker 3: He's at minus four plus one for the day through
57:29
Speaker 3: six holes. Everybody's favorite alleged cheater Patrick Reid minus one
57:36
Speaker 3: through three holes and minus four for the tournament. Oh
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Speaker 3: Major champion Brooks Koepka on a roll today three under
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Speaker 3: and three under for the tournament through fourteen holes. Shane
57:51
Speaker 3: Lowry from Ireland minus three, one under for the day today,
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Speaker 3: Jason Day minus three even for the day today, and
57:59
Speaker 3: look out for sk Scheffler making a charge. Scottie Scheffler
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Speaker 3: minus two, three off the lead and even for the
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Speaker 3: day today through twelve Sanders Schoffley also minus two and
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Speaker 3: even for the day through two holes today and everybody's
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58:37
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58:43
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58:51
Speaker 3: right now to talk Masters here on a Friday on
58:54
Speaker 3: the shadow'connell Show. Johnny, how are you Bill?
58:58
Speaker 1: Nice to talk to you again. How have you in?
59:00
Speaker 1: How's the University of Utah job?
59:02
Speaker 3: It is fantastic, John, It is doing well. I am
59:05
Speaker 3: enjoying it a great deal. I miss talking to you
59:08
Speaker 3: about majors. We just have to text about them now.
59:11
Speaker 3: But that's okay, And I don't have any Jersey Mikes
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Speaker 3: for you today. I apologize you're doing this one pro bono.
59:18
Speaker 1: That doesn't stop me from eating the original Italian whenever
59:21
Speaker 1: I can.
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Speaker 3: I will make sure you next time you and I
59:23
Speaker 3: are together, I will get you a Jersey Mike sub
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Speaker 3: on me. But I don't have any more of those
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Speaker 3: coupon cards for you.
59:30
Speaker 1: That's all right. I'm happy to talk golf, especially the Masters.
59:33
Speaker 1: This is my favorite week of the year.
59:35
Speaker 9: I know it is.
59:36
Speaker 3: You love this tournament almost as much as you love
59:39
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods, who is not in the field right now.
59:41
Speaker 3: We won't talk about Eldrick right now. We are a
59:44
Speaker 3: day and a half in right now, John, Nobody is
59:47
Speaker 3: running away and hiding. Scoring isn't crazy though. Terrell Hatten's
59:50
Speaker 3: at minus seven so far today. What do you make
59:54
Speaker 3: of what we've seen through a round and a half.
59:56
Speaker 1: Well, I was expecting the scores to be a bit
59:58
Speaker 1: higher today because we're going to see no moisture at
1:00:01
Speaker 1: all from the weather all week long. So as the
1:00:04
Speaker 1: days get longer and they we get a little bit
1:00:07
Speaker 1: of wind, we should see the golf course firming up.
1:00:10
Speaker 1: But it hasn't happened yet. And these guys are taking
1:00:12
Speaker 1: dead aim and hitting some amazing shots. Terrell Hatton is
1:00:16
Speaker 1: hitting I mean seven hunder par with a couple of
1:00:19
Speaker 1: play is awesome. And then Brooks Koepka has hit a
1:00:22
Speaker 1: lot of great shots and justin Rose he's hit it
1:00:24
Speaker 1: within five feet for Bertie about three times. So the
1:00:28
Speaker 1: guys are the guys are feeling it, and they're hitting
1:00:30
Speaker 1: it close and some are making putts and some aren't.
1:00:33
Speaker 1: But this is this is going to get more and
1:00:35
Speaker 1: more exciting as the days go on, because I think
1:00:37
Speaker 1: it's going to get a little bit tougher each day.
1:00:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Englishmen and the Americans are dominating right now.
1:00:43
Speaker 3: The top seven scores on the board are American in Englishmen.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's more just the superstars are dominating.
1:00:50
Speaker 1: I mean there's a couple of guys that your regular
1:00:52
Speaker 1: listeners that casual golf fans may may not know, but
1:00:57
Speaker 1: casual golf fans know Rory, they know Clark, they know
1:01:00
Speaker 1: and Burns and Keepka and Lower and Day. I mean,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: these are big names, lots of former champ, major champions,
1:01:07
Speaker 1: and that's what's gonna make this so amazing over the
1:01:09
Speaker 1: weekend is you've got guys. These aren't guys trying to
1:01:12
Speaker 1: win their first time or win their first major. These
1:01:14
Speaker 1: are guys that have won majors and they're ready and
1:01:17
Speaker 1: they're used to this, and they're gonna they're gonna shoot
1:01:20
Speaker 1: some low scores. You're not gonna see people luck into
1:01:23
Speaker 1: this tournament. You're gonna have to go low to win this.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: John, you said it that there's no rain expected all
1:01:28
Speaker 3: weekend long, which is very unusual. Sometime in the four
1:01:31
Speaker 3: or five six days that people are at Augusta, you
1:01:34
Speaker 3: generally get rained, you generally get thunderstorm, something's in. They're
1:01:37
Speaker 3: not getting any of that. So are these golfers gonna
1:01:40
Speaker 3: be okay with this course firming up or would they
1:01:42
Speaker 3: rather have some rain and wind in the forecast.
1:01:45
Speaker 1: Well, I think they'd like it to firm up on
1:01:47
Speaker 1: the fairways because we're seeing some of these drives where
1:01:50
Speaker 1: they carry two seventy five and then roll out five yards.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: They'd love to get some rollout so they could get
1:01:55
Speaker 1: some shorter irons in their hands. But it's the greens
1:01:58
Speaker 1: that they like their to hold them. In fact, they're
1:02:01
Speaker 1: a little bit softer today than they were yesterday from
1:02:03
Speaker 1: my observation. So the Augusta National they have the ability
1:02:07
Speaker 1: to take moisture out of the greens without any natural
1:02:11
Speaker 1: that every green has a subair system. So I have
1:02:13
Speaker 1: a feeling the powers that be there are going to
1:02:16
Speaker 1: take a little bit of moisture out of them this
1:02:19
Speaker 1: evening and firm them up for the weekend.
1:02:22
Speaker 3: I love the fact. I know he's not everybody's favorite.
1:02:24
Speaker 3: He can be a bit prickly at times, but I
1:02:26
Speaker 3: love the fact that Brooks kept because near the top
1:02:29
Speaker 3: of the leaderboard right now.
1:02:30
Speaker 1: Oh I do too, I'll tell you what. He's hitting
1:02:33
Speaker 1: the ball really well, it's for him, it's all about
1:02:36
Speaker 1: the putter, and he's rolling good putts. They haven't really
1:02:38
Speaker 1: gone in for him today. I've been watching while working
1:02:41
Speaker 1: and that was their quotes, by the way, But he's
1:02:44
Speaker 1: rolling them over the edges and they're good putts. And Brooks,
1:02:48
Speaker 1: as we know, is a major major champion. He's won
1:02:52
Speaker 1: five majors and really nothing else, so he's he has
1:02:56
Speaker 1: the mental makeup for it. I mean it could go
1:02:59
Speaker 1: back that, it goes back to that all he does
1:03:03
Speaker 1: is catch touchdown passes. Well yeah, but that's the whole point, right,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with Brooks. He's won a
1:03:09
Speaker 1: handful of tour events, but five majors, so it's really
1:03:13
Speaker 1: he has the mental makeup for it. I think he's
1:03:16
Speaker 1: back from live and he's feeling good and he's comfortable again,
1:03:20
Speaker 1: and if he can just get a couple of putts
1:03:22
Speaker 1: to go in, he's going to be very dangerous.
1:03:25
Speaker 3: Well, he filled his bank accounts with that live money.
1:03:27
Speaker 3: Now he can come back to the PGA Tour and
1:03:29
Speaker 3: win majors, right because people only nobody remembers if you
1:03:33
Speaker 3: win the greater screen door open in Greensboro. They remember
1:03:37
Speaker 3: if you win championships or a player's or something like that,
1:03:41
Speaker 3: but you do need to pay the bills. So Kopka's
1:03:43
Speaker 3: got a lot of that live money in his back pocket.
1:03:45
Speaker 3: Now he can just come back and work on his
1:03:47
Speaker 3: game and be on the PGA Tour again.
1:03:49
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're absolutely right about that. And along
1:03:52
Speaker 1: those same lines, Rory McElroy is playing extremely freely. He
1:03:57
Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry that he's chasing his first Masters,
1:03:59
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry that he's chasing the Grand
1:04:01
Speaker 1: Slam that only four other players have ever done or five.
1:04:04
Speaker 1: So he gets to play for free.
1:04:07
Speaker 2: Now.
1:04:07
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any all that pressure, all most of
1:04:10
Speaker 1: itself imposed, by the way, but he doesn't have to
1:04:12
Speaker 1: sit down for every media interview and talk about, hey,
1:04:15
Speaker 1: maybe this is the year you complete the Grand Slam,
1:04:17
Speaker 1: maybe this is the year you win your first back.
1:04:19
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to answer that anymore. He did it,
1:04:21
Speaker 1: and so now he just gets to go up and play.
1:04:23
Speaker 1: And you saw it yesterday in his first round. He
1:04:25
Speaker 1: just he even said it in his press conference, he said, yeah,
1:04:28
Speaker 1: it was great. I just went out and played golf.
1:04:29
Speaker 1: I had no expectations. Nobody was wondering asking me all
1:04:33
Speaker 1: those questions, and all I did was go out and
1:04:35
Speaker 1: shoot five under par. And he hit a great T
1:04:37
Speaker 1: shot off the first tee, just now made an easy
1:04:40
Speaker 1: part on the first hole. He hit a poor T
1:04:41
Speaker 1: shot on second on the second hold, but he's he's
1:04:44
Speaker 1: got a short bird he putt because it's an easy
1:04:46
Speaker 1: part five, So he's he's playing freely, just like Brooks.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: And those are the players that have a chance to win.
1:04:51
Speaker 1: You can't be tight, you can't be careful, and you
1:04:54
Speaker 1: can't be worried about what might or might not happen.
1:04:57
Speaker 1: You just have to hit the shot and hope it
1:04:59
Speaker 1: turns out, and if it doesn't, hit a recovery shot.
1:05:02
Speaker 1: And that's that's the key to Augusta Nashville, because the
1:05:06
Speaker 1: margin for error is so small. When you hit a
1:05:08
Speaker 1: great shot, you might get a terrible break and have
1:05:11
Speaker 1: it in an impossible spot, or you might hit one
1:05:14
Speaker 1: a little off and it catches the right mount and
1:05:16
Speaker 1: goes right next to the hole. So it's the guys
1:05:18
Speaker 1: that can accept that and that play with with this
1:05:23
Speaker 1: freeness to them, so they don't worry too much about it.
1:05:26
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are going to be able
1:05:27
Speaker 1: to close this out on Sunday afternoon.
1:05:29
Speaker 3: One guy that he is having to answer lots of questions.
1:05:32
Speaker 3: And I was watching some Golf Channel coverage Wednesday Tuesday,
1:05:36
Speaker 3: Wednesday night, and they spent a whole bunch of time
1:05:39
Speaker 3: talking about this guy because he's just given everybody word
1:05:43
Speaker 3: salad answers these days. Is John Rahm as it stands
1:05:47
Speaker 3: right now, he's not going to make the cut. Now
1:05:49
Speaker 3: he's got a chance, he's right on that cut line,
1:05:51
Speaker 3: but he's not played well. Shot at seventy eight yesterday.
1:05:54
Speaker 3: He's getting all kinds of questions about Live still he's
1:05:58
Speaker 3: not really given great answers, you do you think? And
1:06:01
Speaker 3: he to be very fair since he joined the Live Tour,
1:06:04
Speaker 3: he has not done anything in majors, John, He has
1:06:06
Speaker 3: been bad in majors. So you tell me what what?
1:06:09
Speaker 9: What?
1:06:10
Speaker 3: What do you think this?
1:06:10
Speaker 9: This?
1:06:11
Speaker 3: Uh, this is in first of all the week to
1:06:13
Speaker 3: week stuff, but then having to come and answer a
1:06:15
Speaker 3: bunch of questions. Do you think that's getting to John Rohm?
1:06:18
Speaker 9: Well?
1:06:18
Speaker 7: I do absolutely.
1:06:19
Speaker 1: I think it's getting to him. And I think that
1:06:22
Speaker 1: he has uh, he has a little bit of I
1:06:25
Speaker 1: call it sellout remorse, which is just go take the
1:06:27
Speaker 1: money and leave. And now he's realizing for the last
1:06:31
Speaker 1: two years that he's playing exhibition golf and there's nothing
1:06:34
Speaker 1: wrong with that. And and if they would offered me
1:06:37
Speaker 1: six hundred million dollars to it, I would do. So
1:06:40
Speaker 1: there's no judgment here. I'm just saying, when you're playing golf,
1:06:43
Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. I mean, you mentioned who wants
1:06:46
Speaker 1: who cares about the Greater Greensborough Open, Well, people do
1:06:50
Speaker 1: care about it, and it's a real tournament and it
1:06:52
Speaker 1: matters that week.
1:06:54
Speaker 3: But now in the.
1:06:54
Speaker 1: History you're right it doesn't. But the live golf Tour,
1:06:58
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that week, and it doesn't matter next week,
1:07:00
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter the following week. Nobody's ever going
1:07:03
Speaker 1: to say, oh yeah, that guy wons five times on
1:07:05
Speaker 1: lip Nobody cares and he's finding that out. And so
1:07:08
Speaker 1: it's very difficult for a high level professional golfer to
1:07:13
Speaker 1: go from a very relaxed atmosphere wearing shorts, everybody screaming music,
1:07:18
Speaker 1: playing no one really cares about the outcomes, more of
1:07:22
Speaker 1: a party, more of an exhibition. Shotgun starts and then
1:07:25
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you're back, you're at the top,
1:07:28
Speaker 1: the highest pressure high. It's just not the same. You
1:07:30
Speaker 1: can't replicate it, you can't practice for it. Tiger said
1:07:34
Speaker 1: it many times each show up for a major ever
1:07:37
Speaker 1: having not been able to play due to injury, and
1:07:39
Speaker 1: he's just not ready because he doesn't have reps under pressure.
1:07:42
Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest problem with what's going
1:07:44
Speaker 1: on with John Rahm, is he just doesn't have any
1:07:47
Speaker 1: meaningful golf under his belt, and then he shows up
1:07:50
Speaker 1: at a major and it's foreign to him. It's that
1:07:54
Speaker 1: there's just the slightest difference in the way your body reacts,
1:07:57
Speaker 1: the way you think, the way you feel, and here
1:07:59
Speaker 1: you go seventy eight and again he may make the cut.
1:08:03
Speaker 1: He's a good enough player to make the cut, but
1:08:05
Speaker 1: he's put himself ten shots behind. So I just think
1:08:09
Speaker 1: it's a it's a preparation thing, and it's and it's
1:08:11
Speaker 1: he can't be prepared because you can't prepare when you're
1:08:14
Speaker 1: playing exhibition golf.
1:08:15
Speaker 3: Is it the same thing with d Schambeau as well.
1:08:18
Speaker 1: I think that has a lot to do with it.
1:08:20
Speaker 1: Now with Bryceon, I think it was a little bit
1:08:23
Speaker 1: different with it looked like he was playing so great
1:08:26
Speaker 1: on the live tour, which he was. He won three
1:08:28
Speaker 1: or four or whatever it was. But there are those
1:08:31
Speaker 1: courses if you really dove down deep in it too.
1:08:33
Speaker 1: It I saw, I saw an article and they just
1:08:36
Speaker 1: weren't difficult golf course and they were set up perfectly
1:08:38
Speaker 1: for him. So again and and he's just throwing. He's
1:08:42
Speaker 1: he knows he's the best or second best player on
1:08:44
Speaker 1: that tour, and he doesn't really worry about it. He's
1:08:47
Speaker 1: just free, free, free hitting and just not not thinking
1:08:50
Speaker 1: too much about it. And and he's and he's just
1:08:53
Speaker 1: shooting these crazy little scores and making tons of money.
1:08:56
Speaker 1: But again, now you show up and it's the Masters.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: Money doesn't matter. It's all history and it's and it's
1:09:02
Speaker 1: where your place in professional golf when you're when you're
1:09:05
Speaker 1: no longer with us, or when you're no longer playing,
1:09:07
Speaker 1: and it's a different level. No one cares about live
1:09:10
Speaker 1: and they know it.
1:09:11
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1:09:29
Speaker 3: Uh before that, we we used to talk every day
1:09:32
Speaker 3: back in the day. We would Thursday and Friday, we'd
1:09:34
Speaker 3: make our predictions on a Wednesday and all that good stuff.
1:09:37
Speaker 3: So we didn't have a chance to do that this year.
1:09:39
Speaker 3: Going to hold you to the honor system here, and
1:09:41
Speaker 3: if any of your buddies at the country club were listening,
1:09:44
Speaker 3: they will tell me or text me and tell me.
1:09:46
Speaker 3: John's full of you know what? But who did you
1:09:49
Speaker 3: like going into this thing? And does your has your
1:09:51
Speaker 3: mind changed it all since the since the start yesterday?
1:09:55
Speaker 1: Well, I'll start with full disclosure. We have an annual
1:09:58
Speaker 1: Master's draft with a bunch of my friends, are we
1:10:01
Speaker 1: We picked fifteenth, so I didn't have a great draft
1:10:05
Speaker 1: order and I picked Robert McIntyre, who's about the worst.
1:10:09
Speaker 1: I mean, I picked six players billing it and I'm
1:10:12
Speaker 1: in danger of nunning them, none of them making me.
1:10:15
Speaker 3: Do you see what McIntyre did, He's in trouble.
1:10:17
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.
1:10:18
Speaker 3: He pulled a John Wright. No, we did not.
1:10:21
Speaker 1: I would never do that at Augusta National.
1:10:24
Speaker 3: Well not a Augusta National, but you might have done
1:10:26
Speaker 3: it Bontnaville a bunch of times.
1:10:29
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I've buried plenty of wedges in the green,
1:10:31
Speaker 1: not in the green, in the fairway, but I'm sure
1:10:34
Speaker 1: I fixed my the damage.
1:10:36
Speaker 2: But no.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: I As far as before the week I was really
1:10:40
Speaker 1: hoping for Justin Rose, and I'm happy to see him
1:10:44
Speaker 1: playing well. I mean, the guy's forty five years old.
1:10:46
Speaker 1: I can I can relate sort of. He's still ten
1:10:48
Speaker 1: years younger than me. But it's great to see a
1:10:51
Speaker 1: guy of that age and who's worked that hard for
1:10:53
Speaker 1: that long and is really careful about his body and
1:10:56
Speaker 1: about how he prepares himself. So he's he's he elongated
1:11:01
Speaker 1: his career by years and he's come so close three
1:11:04
Speaker 1: runner up finishes, lost in a playoff twice. I would
1:11:07
Speaker 1: love to see him come through, and he has hit
1:11:09
Speaker 1: some really good shots today, so make no mistake, I
1:11:13
Speaker 1: think he'll be there for the weekend.
1:11:16
Speaker 2: That was my hope.
1:11:17
Speaker 1: And then I love to see Rory play well. I
1:11:19
Speaker 1: think he's good for the tour and he's the closest
1:11:21
Speaker 1: thing we have to a superstar that gets the casual
1:11:23
Speaker 1: golf fan interested and so then and then I thought
1:11:26
Speaker 1: Xander Shockley had a real good chance. He finally came
1:11:29
Speaker 1: off a really poor year last year, recovering from an injury,
1:11:33
Speaker 1: and he looked to have been making progress. We'll see
1:11:35
Speaker 1: he's he's on the leaderboard, but he's super early in
1:11:38
Speaker 1: his round today, so we'll see how he finishes up.
1:11:41
Speaker 1: But those were my three. And you know, it's always
1:11:43
Speaker 1: easy to pick Scotty Shuffer. He's as close as we
1:11:46
Speaker 1: had to this generation.
1:11:47
Speaker 3: He's he's not having a great day to day though
1:11:49
Speaker 3: he's plus one through thirteen. He's only minus one for
1:11:52
Speaker 3: the tournament. It looks like the damn Ryder Cup right now.
1:11:56
Speaker 3: John Rory at six under, Tyrell Hatton at five under,
1:11:59
Speaker 3: and Justin Rowe five under. That's like the leaders of
1:12:02
Speaker 3: the of the European Ryder Cup.
1:12:04
Speaker 1: Well and Sam Burns was also on the Ryder Cup
1:12:06
Speaker 1: team for the US. It was Wyndham Clark and and
1:12:08
Speaker 1: Patrick Reed. He's Captain America. When he's not at live
1:12:11
Speaker 1: he'll be on the next Ryder Cup team. So and
1:12:13
Speaker 1: Brooks kefka, I mean it really is. This is gonna
1:12:16
Speaker 1: be one of those major league shootouts. It's not going
1:12:19
Speaker 1: to be some guy who has held it together for
1:12:22
Speaker 1: three rounds and let's see if he can finish it
1:12:24
Speaker 1: off and win his first major. This is These are
1:12:26
Speaker 1: heavyweights going at it over the weekend. It's going to
1:12:28
Speaker 1: be really fun to watch.
1:12:30
Speaker 3: Do you think do you worry at all about Scheffler
1:12:32
Speaker 3: or do you think he's still in the mix at
1:12:33
Speaker 3: one under, No.
1:12:35
Speaker 7: He'll be in the mix.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: He hit a poor shot into fifteen and made a
1:12:37
Speaker 1: bogey there. I'm still trying to figure out why he
1:12:39
Speaker 1: tried to hit that green with a driving iron from
1:12:41
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy yards. But he's so good that
1:12:45
Speaker 1: he'll get on one of his little runs where he
1:12:47
Speaker 1: hits it to five feet a few holes in a
1:12:49
Speaker 1: row and then make some of those putts. I watched
1:12:52
Speaker 1: a lot of his round this morning, and he looks
1:12:54
Speaker 1: very solid. The only thing missing from he's driving it
1:12:57
Speaker 1: better than he normally does, and his irons aren't his
1:13:00
Speaker 1: good as they normally are. So I think if he
1:13:02
Speaker 1: could just figure out those irons, because his strokes proximity
1:13:06
Speaker 1: of the whole is way better than anyone on tour,
1:13:09
Speaker 1: and he's not showing that yet. But his driving is
1:13:12
Speaker 1: really good, so once he figures those irons out, he
1:13:15
Speaker 1: can make some birdies pretty quickly.
1:13:16
Speaker 3: By the way, just one more thing on are we
1:13:18
Speaker 3: past the golden age of Speith and Thomas? It feels
1:13:21
Speaker 3: like Speith and Thomas are no longer real. I know
1:13:25
Speaker 3: they're still good golfers, but it doesn't feel like these
1:13:27
Speaker 3: two guys were what they were five or six years ago.
1:13:30
Speaker 1: Well, I think Thomas is a result of injury. He's
1:13:33
Speaker 1: still working through his surgery from last year, so I'm
1:13:36
Speaker 1: not prepared to close the book on him yet. Way
1:13:39
Speaker 1: too much talent. And then Jordan is playing actually really well.
1:13:42
Speaker 1: He's lest I looked before I came on with you.
1:13:45
Speaker 1: I think he was two under par and hanging in there.
1:13:48
Speaker 1: He's kind of scraping around a little bit here and there,
1:13:50
Speaker 1: but he's making those Jeordia' speeds up and down, those
1:13:53
Speaker 1: saves that we've used to see when he was winning major.
1:13:56
Speaker 1: So no, I'm not ready to write him off. He's
1:13:58
Speaker 1: too young. I mean, what is he thirty one or two?
1:14:00
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, these guys can play well in
1:14:03
Speaker 1: their primes all the way through their thirties. So no,
1:14:06
Speaker 1: they're you know, golf is so cyclical, and it's so
1:14:08
Speaker 1: up and down, and just when you think you have it,
1:14:10
Speaker 1: you don't, And just when you think you'll never want
1:14:12
Speaker 1: to play again, you go out and shoot five hundred
1:14:14
Speaker 1: part and you can't figure it out.
1:14:16
Speaker 3: So speak, by the way, even par today, even for
1:14:18
Speaker 3: the tournament, is where he's at through fifteen. Last thing,
1:14:21
Speaker 3: certainly with a.
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Strike exist distance at that number.
1:14:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, but you better make a birdy or
1:14:26
Speaker 3: two because it looks like that these got rory might
1:14:28
Speaker 3: go low. I mean, he's at six under right now
1:14:30
Speaker 3: and he's just under way, so he might be a
1:14:33
Speaker 3: ten under, and then you don't want to be ten
1:14:34
Speaker 3: shots back heading to the weekend. So last thing, the
1:14:38
Speaker 3: old guys the other day got up and they made
1:14:40
Speaker 3: a little bit of a statement to Tom Watson, Jack Nicholas,
1:14:43
Speaker 3: Gary Player after hitting their ceremonial shots the other day.
1:14:46
Speaker 3: They want golf ball technology to get rolled back. Should
1:14:49
Speaker 3: golf ball technology get rolled back?
1:14:50
Speaker 1: John No, I just think that that if that were
1:14:55
Speaker 1: supposed to have happened, if that were the right move,
1:14:57
Speaker 1: that should have happened about fifteen years ago. Think it's
1:15:00
Speaker 1: too late for that now. Will Augusta National and introduce
1:15:03
Speaker 1: their own golf ball. So when you come and play
1:15:05
Speaker 1: the Masters, you play a roll back golf ball. Maybe,
1:15:08
Speaker 1: And if they do that and it becomes a successful
1:15:12
Speaker 1: kind of operation, well then it might spread. But I
1:15:15
Speaker 1: think part of the fun and the part of the
1:15:18
Speaker 1: appeal of golf is is that everybody gets I mean,
1:15:21
Speaker 1: we get to play some of the same golf courses
1:15:23
Speaker 1: they play. Obviously not Augusta unless you're super lucky, but
1:15:27
Speaker 1: you know, you can go play Capealoua where they play
1:15:30
Speaker 1: the Tournament of Champions. You can and you can play
1:15:32
Speaker 1: with the same driver and the same irons and the
1:15:34
Speaker 1: same putter. And I think there's something cool about that.
1:15:36
Speaker 1: And so to take that away, to biprecate the rules
1:15:39
Speaker 1: where pros use one thing and amateurs use another, I
1:15:42
Speaker 1: just think it kind of separates things. And I don't know,
1:15:46
Speaker 1: I think it might hurt the popularity of the PGA Tour.
1:15:48
Speaker 1: And besides, what did they say, what did Greg Maddox
1:15:51
Speaker 1: and Tom Glavin? Chicks dig the long ball, So I
1:15:55
Speaker 1: mean people like to see these drives. I mean, Rory
1:15:58
Speaker 1: hit a couple over three point fifty yesterday at sea level.
1:16:01
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's pretty cool. Now. Luckily Augusta National
1:16:05
Speaker 1: has the room and the money to buy the room
1:16:08
Speaker 1: to lengthen the golf course which they have over the years.
1:16:11
Speaker 1: They're up over seventy six hundred yards now, So I mean,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: if it keeps going this direction, I think we might
1:16:17
Speaker 1: have to roll back the golf ball. But way do
1:16:20
Speaker 1: you see the new golf course the Tiger designed up
1:16:22
Speaker 1: in Park City, Marcella, that's going to be over eight
1:16:24
Speaker 1: thousand yards.
1:16:25
Speaker 9: Just for that very reason.
1:16:28
Speaker 3: Who gets the green jacket put on their shoulders on
1:16:30
Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday.
1:16:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the sentimental justin Rose. Okay,
1:16:35
Speaker 1: I think I think the smart pick is Rory. He
1:16:37
Speaker 1: looks awfully tough right now.
1:16:39
Speaker 3: Fair enough, there you go, John Wright with us, presented
1:16:41
Speaker 3: by our friends that you win to golf. Johnny, great
1:16:44
Speaker 3: catching up with you. We'll talk to you soon. Go
1:16:46
Speaker 3: hit it well this afternoon, you too, Bill.
1:16:48
Speaker 2: Let's go play.
1:16:49
Speaker 3: Let's do it. John Wright with us here on the
1:16:51
Speaker 3: Shad O'Connell Show today as we broadcast live from our
1:16:54
Speaker 3: Broadway Media studios here in downtown Salt Lake. See, we'll
1:16:57
Speaker 3: have another leaderboard update for you in a bit, but
1:17:00
Speaker 3: right now, Rory McElroy your leader through two holes, one
1:17:03
Speaker 3: under today, six under for the tournament, one shot lead
1:17:06
Speaker 3: over Terrell Hatton, his buddy, his buddy, Justin Rose, and
1:17:08
Speaker 3: Sam Burns who are all at five under par. The
1:17:12
Speaker 3: transfer portal has been open now for three and a
1:17:15
Speaker 3: half almost four days in college basketball and it is
1:17:20
Speaker 3: key Oddic. We're going to talk a little bit about
1:17:22
Speaker 3: that and more with Casey Jacobson joining us next Fox
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1:17:46
Speaker 3: Just past the halfway point on this Friday. Sill Riley
1:17:49
Speaker 3: is sitting in today for Sean O'Connell here on the
1:17:52
Speaker 3: Shan O'Connell Show. See he's going to join us from
1:17:55
Speaker 3: Chicago where he's calling Pro Fighting tonight. Devin Jackson's going
1:17:59
Speaker 3: to join us as well. Draft Insider a little bit
1:18:02
Speaker 3: on the NFL Draft, which is inside of two weeks away.
1:18:05
Speaker 3: We'll find out where the Utah guys might Land might
1:18:08
Speaker 3: end up. Spencer Fano's got a grade that could take
1:18:11
Speaker 3: you anywhere from like the number three pick maybe down
1:18:14
Speaker 3: to like the number fourteen or fifteen pick. He's got
1:18:16
Speaker 3: a pretty wide range. Caleb Lomu probably end of the
1:18:18
Speaker 3: first round. What about Lander Barton, what about Dallan Bentley
1:18:22
Speaker 3: and others? So we'll talk to Devin Jackson about that
1:18:24
Speaker 3: coming up in the final hour of the program. The
1:18:29
Speaker 3: transfer portal is utter chaos right now. It's insanity. It
1:18:35
Speaker 3: opened up on Tuesday day after the National Championship that
1:18:39
Speaker 3: Michigan won, and there are now more than twenty five
1:18:42
Speaker 3: hundred names in the transfer portal. Twenty five hundred names
1:18:45
Speaker 3: in like four days. It's insane. And the crazy thing
1:18:49
Speaker 3: is not everybody's going to land a spot. That's the
1:18:51
Speaker 3: crazy part. Over the years, over the last three or
1:18:53
Speaker 3: four years, only only about forty eight forty nine percent
1:18:57
Speaker 3: of kids land spots. More than fifty percent of the
1:18:59
Speaker 3: kids to go with the portal, and this is football
1:19:01
Speaker 3: and basketball don't end up with a spot on the
1:19:03
Speaker 3: other side. So anyway, Utah's shopping. Everybody's shopping right now.
1:19:08
Speaker 3: Alex Jensen try to remake that roster with his staff
1:19:11
Speaker 3: after year one in the Big twelve and year one
1:19:13
Speaker 3: of the Alex Jenson ten year, I thought we'd talk
1:19:15
Speaker 3: a little bit about the portal, the craziness of it,
1:19:18
Speaker 3: some of the areas Utah has got to get better in,
1:19:20
Speaker 3: and maybe roster build in this offseason in the portal
1:19:23
Speaker 3: and more with our good friend he used to be
1:19:25
Speaker 3: a regular on the show with Me. You see him
1:19:27
Speaker 3: on Fox Sports and Fox Sports One doing college basketball.
1:19:32
Speaker 3: Former Stanford great Casey Jacobson kind enough to join us today.
1:19:36
Speaker 3: Case How are you, man, Bill?
1:19:38
Speaker 2: I'm great, man, just kind of decompressing from a long season,
1:19:43
Speaker 2: a great season, I thought, I don't know if you
1:19:45
Speaker 2: talk about this today or I thought this college basketball
1:19:49
Speaker 2: season was fascinating and the collection of talent was as
1:19:53
Speaker 2: good as it's been in a long time, and certainly
1:19:55
Speaker 2: the NIL is helping that. I don't think the transfer
1:19:58
Speaker 2: portal is helping that to much. I think that's kind
1:20:02
Speaker 2: of more frustrating for everybody. Unless you get a solid
1:20:06
Speaker 2: transfer right, then it's great for you. But college basketball
1:20:11
Speaker 2: to me has never been more interesting and more fluid,
1:20:14
Speaker 2: like it feels like it changes by the hour.
1:20:17
Speaker 3: Oh, I completely agree with that. Why do you think
1:20:19
Speaker 3: the level of play across the board? You say nil?
1:20:23
Speaker 3: But is there more to it?
1:20:25
Speaker 2: Why do you?
1:20:25
Speaker 3: And I agree with you? I think the season, I
1:20:27
Speaker 3: think the competitiveness. I think there's a little bit more
1:20:30
Speaker 3: depth than in these conferences, Big Twelve, Big Ten, you
1:20:33
Speaker 3: name it. But why do you think the level of
1:20:36
Speaker 3: overall college basketball was better?
1:20:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a lot of factors, right, It's never
1:20:42
Speaker 2: just one thing. It first started with all the conference realignment.
1:20:45
Speaker 2: So now let's just take the Big Ten for example,
1:20:48
Speaker 2: or the Big Twelve. The Big Ten has now become
1:20:50
Speaker 2: like a super conference. I mean the addition of UCLA,
1:20:54
Speaker 2: USC Washington and Oregon. Now I'm not going to speak
1:20:57
Speaker 2: for the football side of it, which has been massive.
1:20:59
Speaker 2: Those are bad football brands, but basketball are great basketball
1:21:03
Speaker 2: brands with really good coaches Eric Musselm and Mick Frohn
1:21:06
Speaker 2: and Dane Altman coming over to an already good Big
1:21:10
Speaker 2: Ten that has Tom Izzo and Matt Painter and Brad
1:21:14
Speaker 2: Underwood and it's now a super conference. So like following
1:21:18
Speaker 2: the Big Ten is just more interesting. There's more good teams,
1:21:23
Speaker 2: more good players than the lest Number one. Number two
1:21:27
Speaker 2: is definitely the nil. What specifically do I mean by that.
1:21:31
Speaker 2: It's not just like, you know, people are allowed to
1:21:34
Speaker 2: pay money, it's now how much they are spending Bill.
1:21:38
Speaker 2: I would say that college basketball is the second best
1:21:42
Speaker 2: professional basketball league in the world. I really believe that.
1:21:46
Speaker 2: Now it's crazy to say, but I really believe that.
1:21:48
Speaker 2: I played in Europe. I played in the highest division
1:21:51
Speaker 2: in Europe. It's called EuroLeague. And while EuroLeague is a
1:21:55
Speaker 2: really high end league, we're talking men like, you know,
1:21:58
Speaker 2: thirty thirty five year old, like real pros out there.
1:22:03
Speaker 2: Like I would put where college basketball is now, it's
1:22:07
Speaker 2: a younger version of that, and so where European players specifically,
1:22:12
Speaker 2: and we saw this with Illinois, who most of their
1:22:15
Speaker 2: roster was international players. International players normally will they grow
1:22:21
Speaker 2: up in their academy or they you know, they develop
1:22:23
Speaker 2: in Spain or Italy or Greece or Turkey, and they
1:22:28
Speaker 2: stay in Europe because they get great training and they
1:22:32
Speaker 2: get paid from an early age. It can be sixteen
1:22:35
Speaker 2: and seventeen years old. Eighteen years old, they're getting paid now.
1:22:38
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not an exorbitant amount of money until they
1:22:40
Speaker 2: really hit the big time. Those players would never like
1:22:45
Speaker 2: a Luka Doncic who grew up in the real Madrid system.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: Those players would never consider coming to college basketball to
1:22:52
Speaker 2: play for no money, like the exposure just isn't that.
1:22:56
Speaker 2: That's not enough for them. So they would stay in
1:22:58
Speaker 2: their homeland and then when they were draft eligible, they
1:23:01
Speaker 2: would get drafted by an NBA team and either come
1:23:03
Speaker 2: over or stay for a couple of years and then
1:23:04
Speaker 2: come over later. Right, you know all this whole process. Well,
1:23:07
Speaker 2: now all of these players are like, oh, I can
1:23:10
Speaker 2: make a million bucks or half a night, whatever it is,
1:23:13
Speaker 2: whatever the number is, half a million a year, one
1:23:15
Speaker 2: million bucks a year to go play in college for
1:23:18
Speaker 2: one or two seasons. That's a no brainer because that
1:23:21
Speaker 2: honestly is more than a lot of those players are
1:23:24
Speaker 2: making in their hometowns or whatever countries that they're playing in.
1:23:28
Speaker 2: So that has changed the game, no doubts. Now we're
1:23:31
Speaker 2: getting an influx of high end European young talents, and
1:23:37
Speaker 2: we're getting older guys that are staying like a Drew
1:23:40
Speaker 2: Kinney for example, like Gonzaga will stick around an extra
1:23:43
Speaker 2: year rather than go to the NBA draft. So all
1:23:47
Speaker 2: these things combined, we now have the best college basketball
1:23:51
Speaker 2: talent that we've had in at least a decade or more.
1:23:55
Speaker 2: At least it is there.
1:23:56
Speaker 3: I said this this year that I thought Arizona had
1:24:01
Speaker 3: the perfect model for this era of college basketball. Tommy
1:24:05
Speaker 3: Lloyd had some core guys that had been in his
1:24:08
Speaker 3: program for two or three years. That's a core guy.
1:24:12
Speaker 3: Now two or three years, he had some really nice transfers,
1:24:16
Speaker 3: and then he had a great influx of good young
1:24:18
Speaker 3: freshman talent. Now they didn't win it. I get that,
1:24:22
Speaker 3: but I thought that that kind of recipe was the
1:24:26
Speaker 3: right recipe. It's kind of a mix of everything, and
1:24:29
Speaker 3: he blended it well un till he ran into the
1:24:31
Speaker 3: buzz saw that was Michigan in the national semi finals.
1:24:34
Speaker 3: Is there a team or a program that you think
1:24:37
Speaker 3: has kind of the right recipe or model that if
1:24:39
Speaker 3: you were, if you were a an up and coming program,
1:24:42
Speaker 3: or you were building a program that you would model
1:24:45
Speaker 3: yourself after.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. So let me just start
1:24:49
Speaker 2: by saying, I respectfully disagree a little bit with what
1:24:52
Speaker 2: you said. I don't think that era what Arizona did
1:24:55
Speaker 2: was the perfect model. Certainly successful. We can both agree
1:25:00
Speaker 2: on that Arizona was definitely one of the best teams
1:25:04
Speaker 2: in the country. I would argue that they were the
1:25:06
Speaker 2: second best team in the country. They absolutely could have
1:25:09
Speaker 2: won a national championship this year. But I don't believe
1:25:11
Speaker 2: what their model was perfect in that they started three freshmen,
1:25:15
Speaker 2: and I know those freshmen were awesome. I am conceding that.
1:25:18
Speaker 2: I am just saying that is not the recent model
1:25:22
Speaker 2: that leads to national champions Yukon went back to back
1:25:26
Speaker 2: national titles and they started one freshman, Stefan Castle in
1:25:30
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Otherwise their roster was mostly guys that
1:25:34
Speaker 2: returned with an occasional transfer, Tristan Newton being one of
1:25:38
Speaker 2: those guys. Yeah, so, like it's to me, you don't
1:25:42
Speaker 2: want to have too many freshmen. They're absolutely in Duke
1:25:46
Speaker 2: would be another example of last year. Cooper flag Tonkin Nipple,
1:25:49
Speaker 2: come on, malwatch Bill, You and I would agree that
1:26:02
Speaker 2: season ago, but they lost in the final four to
1:26:05
Speaker 2: an older Houston team. So that's where I would disagree.
1:26:10
Speaker 2: I think there is such a thing as being too
1:26:12
Speaker 2: young in today's college basketball world. But to answer your
1:26:16
Speaker 2: specific question, which is what program does it the best,
1:26:19
Speaker 2: I would say Yukon and Houston to me are more
1:26:23
Speaker 2: of what I would if I'm starting a program from
1:26:26
Speaker 2: scratch or I want a copy of model. Yukon has
1:26:29
Speaker 2: gotten occasional transfers to fill a gap fill of voice,
1:26:33
Speaker 2: specifically at the point guard position. Three years ago they
1:26:36
Speaker 2: got Tristan Newton, two years ago they got Silos Demery Junior,
1:26:40
Speaker 2: and then they absolutely take a five star freshman here there.
1:26:43
Speaker 2: But they don't have a freshman class of three or
1:26:46
Speaker 2: four dudes. They have continuity. They bring back several guys,
1:26:49
Speaker 2: whether it be Alex Caravan or you bring back Donovan
1:26:53
Speaker 2: cleaning at the center position after he sat behind Donaldson
1:26:56
Speaker 2: Ogo for a couple of years and learn the trade.
1:26:58
Speaker 2: That to me, and then Kelvin Sampson's done it too,
1:27:02
Speaker 2: did Jamal Shd and Marcus Sasser for several years. And
1:27:07
Speaker 2: he'll get one or maybe two five star freshmen. But
1:27:11
Speaker 2: otherwise you get one transfer, you get some continuity and
1:27:15
Speaker 2: development and a program and then you can really you
1:27:18
Speaker 2: know you can that will bear fruit in the tournament.
1:27:23
Speaker 2: To me, so there are many ways to do it right.
1:27:26
Speaker 2: Arizona's just another way to do it. I just don't
1:27:29
Speaker 2: if you're talking about, like, hey, what's the perfect model,
1:27:32
Speaker 2: I think it's a few five stars here there. Otherwise,
1:27:37
Speaker 2: take some four star three stars, develop them haven't been
1:27:39
Speaker 2: in your program a little bit, go into transfer portal,
1:27:41
Speaker 2: fill in a couple of gaps, and have an older
1:27:44
Speaker 2: team in the tournament. That's what I'd want.
1:27:46
Speaker 3: The other the other program that I had mentioned with
1:27:48
Speaker 3: regard to building and if you're more middle to upper
1:27:52
Speaker 3: middle class, because Houston, Yukon, Arizona they are all in
1:27:56
Speaker 3: the upper especially financial class. I think tj Otzenburger does
1:28:01
Speaker 3: in Iowa States fantastic too, because he's got money, but
1:28:04
Speaker 3: he doesn't have ridiculous money, and I think he's built
1:28:07
Speaker 3: a nice program there, kind of what you were talking about,
1:28:10
Speaker 3: taking some three and four star guys and filling them
1:28:13
Speaker 3: in with veterans around.
1:28:15
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. And I'm glad you mentioned
1:28:17
Speaker 2: tj Altisberger because he deserves credit. He took over a
1:28:20
Speaker 2: program that I believe was two and twenty seven or
1:28:22
Speaker 2: something yep, the year before he got there. So he
1:28:25
Speaker 2: takes over the program and it felt like in ten
1:28:28
Speaker 2: minutes though he had it flipt I mean ten minutes.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: And that's what like. Watching what he did at Iowa
1:28:33
Speaker 2: State in the Big twelve conference. Mind, he was the
1:28:35
Speaker 2: best basketball conference in the country if you asked my opinion.
1:28:39
Speaker 2: To do that in one year almost is like unfair
1:28:41
Speaker 2: because now like anybody else hires a new coach and
1:28:43
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, what can you do in one year? Right?
1:28:45
Speaker 2: Tj Ottenberger did it down the street. Why can't you
1:28:48
Speaker 2: do it? Why can't he do it? Right? So it's
1:28:50
Speaker 2: a little bit wild. But the one thing I'll add
1:28:52
Speaker 2: with TJ, and you brought up TJ not only is
1:28:55
Speaker 2: tough and build a real culture. They have a system.
1:28:58
Speaker 2: They have an identity which is which is also what
1:29:02
Speaker 2: the two programs that I mentioned bill Yukon and Houston.
1:29:06
Speaker 2: Those teams have systems. Yukon has an offensive system that
1:29:09
Speaker 2: is very unique to them. They're very deliberate. They have
1:29:12
Speaker 2: a lot of motion sets. They don't play a lot
1:29:15
Speaker 2: of one on basketball. The ball moose side to side,
1:29:17
Speaker 2: and they use all five guys on the floor. They're
1:29:19
Speaker 2: an offensive thing of beauty. Houston is a defensive identity program,
1:29:26
Speaker 2: and I would say Iowa stated as well. Iowa stated
1:29:28
Speaker 2: as a no middle man demand defense. They don't let
1:29:31
Speaker 2: the ball in the middle, They funnel to the sidelines.
1:29:33
Speaker 2: They're aggressive and traps on ball and off ball trapping.
1:29:36
Speaker 2: They trap out of the post. They want to turn
1:29:38
Speaker 2: you over, and so you can tj Assenberger doesn't necessarily
1:29:42
Speaker 2: need five star talent that he like it, he doesn't
1:29:45
Speaker 2: really need it to implement his system to turn you
1:29:48
Speaker 2: over and create easy baskets. And that's what I think.
1:29:51
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the top ten coaches in
1:29:54
Speaker 2: the sport because of the culture he can build and
1:29:56
Speaker 2: the system that he's really perfected.
1:29:58
Speaker 3: Casey Jacobson Fox Sports with us for a couple of
1:30:01
Speaker 3: more minutes here on the Shadow Coddle Show. Let's bring
1:30:04
Speaker 3: it closer to home. Year one for Utah basketball wasn't
1:30:07
Speaker 3: what Alex Jensen and his staff wanted it to be.
1:30:10
Speaker 3: They've got a running start and a much better idea
1:30:13
Speaker 3: of what it takes now to be competitive and what
1:30:16
Speaker 3: they need from a talent standpoint. You saw Utah a
1:30:18
Speaker 3: couple of different times this year in person and certainly
1:30:21
Speaker 3: probably on television as well. So you tell me, if
1:30:25
Speaker 3: you're looking from year one to year two, where does Utah?
1:30:28
Speaker 3: Where does Wes Wilcox and Alex Jensen go as they
1:30:32
Speaker 3: go to retool this roster in the portal.
1:30:35
Speaker 2: Well, it almost feels like a complete rebuild to me,
1:30:39
Speaker 2: you know, like I just talked about Bill. If I
1:30:42
Speaker 2: close my eyes and I think of a program or
1:30:45
Speaker 2: a coach, I just have to say, like the question
1:30:47
Speaker 2: is what do I see in my mind? What kind
1:30:49
Speaker 2: of identity do they have? Or what are they trying
1:30:52
Speaker 2: to do? And if you close your eyes and you
1:30:54
Speaker 2: think about Utah right now, I don't know what they
1:30:57
Speaker 2: want to be. I don't know if they want to
1:30:58
Speaker 2: be a great off the team or great defensive team. Certainly,
1:31:02
Speaker 2: last year's team was much more offensive oriented. They could score,
1:31:07
Speaker 2: they needed to score to make games competitive or to win.
1:31:11
Speaker 2: But then they get into the Big twelve Conference and
1:31:14
Speaker 2: they couldn't guard. They couldn't guard anybody. And yeah, I
1:31:18
Speaker 2: mean they went too and sixteen in conference and I
1:31:20
Speaker 2: did I did two of their games this year, watch
1:31:23
Speaker 2: many many more. They could never feelt like, they could
1:31:26
Speaker 2: never get stops when they needed to. Also, interior wise,
1:31:31
Speaker 2: I thought they just they missed. They missed out on everything.
1:31:36
Speaker 2: You know, I'll give Keanu DAEs some credit because that
1:31:40
Speaker 2: six nine Kana does like he was a very versatile
1:31:43
Speaker 2: big that was asked to be a power forward and
1:31:45
Speaker 2: a center at times, and I thought he did it well,
1:31:47
Speaker 2: but he just needed help. Man, they didn't. And in
1:31:51
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve you got to be rugged. You got
1:31:53
Speaker 2: to be able to protect the rims to even compete.
1:31:56
Speaker 2: I mean even b Yu b Way. You's roster was
1:31:59
Speaker 2: more talented, and I thought, like on paper, should have
1:32:02
Speaker 2: been better, and they got swallowed up. They couldn't guard
1:32:04
Speaker 2: the way you couldn't guard me. And I'm forty five
1:32:07
Speaker 2: years old, washed up Bill. I'm only good in the
1:32:10
Speaker 2: corner spot up, corner shooter. Otherwise, yeah, I'm useless. So
1:32:15
Speaker 2: if you're in this Big Twelve conference, if you're not
1:32:17
Speaker 2: big and you're not physical, those are prerequisites. So I
1:32:23
Speaker 2: would start there. If I'm Alex Jensen, I need to
1:32:25
Speaker 2: build a team from the inside out. Last year's roster
1:32:29
Speaker 2: was built from the outside end.
1:32:31
Speaker 3: I Wes Willcox was on my podcast a couple not
1:32:34
Speaker 3: probably a month month and a half ago, and he said,
1:32:36
Speaker 3: you know, the one thing that we know is we
1:32:38
Speaker 3: have to be bigger and more physical. There's no doubt
1:32:41
Speaker 3: about that. They didn't have a point guard. You say,
1:32:43
Speaker 3: built from the inside out, would you say the physicality
1:32:46
Speaker 3: front court, rim protection, athletic wings. They certainly need a
1:32:50
Speaker 3: more of a kind of a floor leader point guard.
1:32:53
Speaker 3: But if you were putting together kind of that shopping
1:32:55
Speaker 3: list wish list, where would you start for Utah?
1:32:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I will start with a center and a
1:33:01
Speaker 2: point guard. They are the two most important positions in
1:33:04
Speaker 2: basketball in general, but certainly in college basketball. I think,
1:33:08
Speaker 2: to me, wings are are way down the list. And
1:33:12
Speaker 2: that's coming from a former I am a win, I'm
1:33:13
Speaker 2: a guard, I'm a wing, I'm a shooting guard. I
1:33:15
Speaker 2: think that should be third, fourth, or fifth on your lists. Yes,
1:33:20
Speaker 2: a point guard, and look, point guards come in all
1:33:23
Speaker 2: different shapes and sizes. I'm learning this. Like to me,
1:33:25
Speaker 2: it's like what I I know as a player, I
1:33:28
Speaker 2: prefer to play with a pass first point guard. But
1:33:30
Speaker 2: there are plenty of scoring point guards that are awesome.
1:33:33
Speaker 2: So like to me, I'm not like, Hey, you have
1:33:35
Speaker 2: to get a guy who's a total facilitator like Jeremy
1:33:38
Speaker 2: Sears junior at Michigan State, for example, or a Braden
1:33:41
Speaker 2: Smith at Purdue to name the top two point guards
1:33:44
Speaker 2: in the country. Those guys are passed first, but there
1:33:46
Speaker 2: are other guys like a Kingston Flemings as freshman at Houston,
1:33:51
Speaker 2: who's more of a scoring point guard. He can pass,
1:33:53
Speaker 2: But that guy is a he's a bucket. And so
1:33:56
Speaker 2: I'm okay with either style, you know, but you definitely
1:34:00
Speaker 2: want to a point guard that can handle the ball
1:34:03
Speaker 2: and make good decisions. If you have a point guard
1:34:05
Speaker 2: that can't make good decisions, then you're behind the eight ball. Also,
1:34:09
Speaker 2: I would prefer size. I just would like Braidon Smith
1:34:12
Speaker 2: isn't very big based, but he's an acception to the rule.
1:34:16
Speaker 2: Braydon Smith at Purdue is an anomaly. He's like a
1:34:19
Speaker 2: you know, like whoa where did that guy come from?
1:34:21
Speaker 2: Most of the time, you want a guy who's got
1:34:23
Speaker 2: some sturdiness to him and who can guard on the
1:34:26
Speaker 2: defensive end, especially if you want to be a defensive team,
1:34:29
Speaker 2: it must start with like defense. I mentioned Jeremy Fears
1:34:34
Speaker 2: junior at Michigan State already. That's one of the reason
1:34:36
Speaker 2: why Michigan State is like a top fifteen team almost
1:34:38
Speaker 2: every year. They always have a really good point guard
1:34:41
Speaker 2: who can play both sides of the ball. Their defense
1:34:44
Speaker 2: starts at the point of attack, or a point guard
1:34:46
Speaker 2: that can keep the ball in front and that can
1:34:48
Speaker 2: just you know, be be that leader. And then of course,
1:34:52
Speaker 2: the center is the defensive anchor. To name me a
1:34:54
Speaker 2: really good defensive team in the country that doesn't have,
1:34:57
Speaker 2: like a physical defensive center. You don't have to elite
1:35:00
Speaker 2: shot blocking. It helps, you don't have to be elite
1:35:02
Speaker 2: shot blocking, but you've got to be physical, strong and
1:35:06
Speaker 2: put some resistance at the rim. Utah had no resistance
1:35:09
Speaker 2: at the end of this season.
1:35:10
Speaker 3: It was interesting. One of the better defensive teams, though
1:35:12
Speaker 3: not as good defensively this year as they've been in
1:35:14
Speaker 3: years past, was Houston, but they didn't have a big man.
1:35:18
Speaker 3: I mean, Jojo Tugler is six foot eight. He's not
1:35:21
Speaker 3: your traditional but he is an unbelievable He can guard
1:35:25
Speaker 3: the ball, but he can also block shots. He's an
1:35:27
Speaker 3: unbelievable defender for six foot eight.
1:35:31
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like Jojo Tugler has been one of
1:35:33
Speaker 2: the best and premier front court defenders in the country. Yeah. So,
1:35:37
Speaker 2: like the it's not a secret wise, Houston's been awesome.
1:35:43
Speaker 2: And you know, before Jojo Tugler, it was you know,
1:35:46
Speaker 2: guys like Sabian White or you know, Josh Carlton, like
1:35:51
Speaker 2: they always they prioritize, right, So if you want to
1:35:54
Speaker 2: follow a model. Obviously, I don't think Utah can follow
1:35:58
Speaker 2: the same model as Kevin Sanson and Hughes into the
1:36:00
Speaker 2: same degree, but to a certain extent they can. Our
1:36:04
Speaker 2: our roster is built. Once again, you ask me, like,
1:36:07
Speaker 2: who does it the best way? Dan Hurley, Kelvin Sampson,
1:36:12
Speaker 2: tj Osselberger. These are some of the guys who who
1:36:15
Speaker 2: don't they these coaches that I mentioned aren't ranked in
1:36:18
Speaker 2: the top ten of recruiting every year. They just aren't.
1:36:22
Speaker 2: They definitely have guys who are three and four star recruits,
1:36:26
Speaker 2: and they have guys that you and I haven't heard
1:36:29
Speaker 2: of before, and they develop them and they pop and
1:36:31
Speaker 2: it's because their culture and their identity. It's impressive.
1:36:36
Speaker 3: Hey, case thanks for doing this today. It's great catching
1:36:38
Speaker 3: up with you. National Championship game. Michigan was a worthy champion.
1:36:43
Speaker 3: Know that about that. It'll be fun to see in
1:36:44
Speaker 3: the coming days and weeks how this portal thing shakes out.
1:36:47
Speaker 3: But always great catching up.
1:36:49
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon anytime. Bill go to be
1:36:52
Speaker 2: with him.
1:36:52
Speaker 3: Thank you, Casey. Casey Jacobson with US Fox Sports and
1:36:55
Speaker 3: Fox Sports One. Talking of college hoops. The portal is
1:36:58
Speaker 3: rolling and you can follow all the great sites, the
1:37:02
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven sites and all those great places
1:37:04
Speaker 3: to find who's gone in and you're beginning to see
1:37:07
Speaker 3: some early names commit. Utah doesn't, as far as I
1:37:10
Speaker 3: can tell, have any commitments yet in the portal, but
1:37:13
Speaker 3: some of the bigger names have jumped on some programs already.
1:37:16
Speaker 3: Michigan's and Ohio states have gotten some commitments already. So
1:37:20
Speaker 3: we'll see how it goes and see what Alex and
1:37:22
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1:37:24
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1:38:36
Speaker 7: We'll have it.
1:38:38
Speaker 3: The long and painful season is finally coming to it
1:38:41
Speaker 3: and at least at home. It's not the season itself,
1:38:43
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1:38:46
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1:38:49
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1:38:53
Speaker 3: the off season coming up. It's it's intriguing with the
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Speaker 3: moves that they made, especially the Jared Jackson and your
1:39:00
Speaker 3: move to see what could be in the offseason, and
1:39:03
Speaker 3: obviously the lottery too. But as of right now. The
1:39:07
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1:39:11
Speaker 3: Delta Center. By the way, the Miami Heat have, speaking
1:39:13
Speaker 3: of the NBA, have waived Terry Roseier. Terry Rozier has
1:39:18
Speaker 3: He's been a bit of a dumpster fire, the gambling
1:39:21
Speaker 3: allegations and everything else. Yeah, he is no longer a
1:39:26
Speaker 3: member of the Miami Heats. Is the Heat finish up
1:39:28
Speaker 3: their season, Terry Rozier has got bigger issues that he's
1:39:31
Speaker 3: got to deal with when it comes to his career
1:39:34
Speaker 3: and beyond. I mentioned this with John Wright when he
1:39:39
Speaker 3: joined us a few minutes ago to talk some master stuff.
1:39:43
Speaker 3: Robert McIntyre could be facing some disciplinary action after flipping
1:39:49
Speaker 3: off the fifteenth green. He did not flip off a patron.
1:39:54
Speaker 3: He did not flip off a playing partner or a
1:39:57
Speaker 3: caddy or anybody else. He apparently he did a quadruple
1:40:01
Speaker 3: bogie and flipped off the green. Well, there's a lot
1:40:06
Speaker 3: of things you're not allowed to do at Augusta National,
1:40:09
Speaker 3: and I can assure you raising the middle finger to
1:40:12
Speaker 3: one of the greens is going to be one of them.
1:40:14
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what kind of disciplinary action he may face.
1:40:18
Speaker 3: I'm sure there will be some sort of public atonement
1:40:21
Speaker 3: an apology from Robert McIntyre, because remember, you can get
1:40:30
Speaker 3: in trouble by simply calling Patron's fans at Augusta National.
1:40:35
Speaker 3: You can get a banned for life, as Gary McCord did.
1:40:38
Speaker 3: Gary McCord, one of the most popular and famous golfing
1:40:42
Speaker 3: announcers of all time, made a joke one time about
1:40:45
Speaker 3: the greens being so fast they were it was like
1:40:48
Speaker 3: they were bikini waxed, and he was then banned. He
1:40:52
Speaker 3: was never able to do a Master's again for CBS.
1:40:55
Speaker 3: So I'm sure the middle finger and in the one
1:40:58
Speaker 3: finger salute from Robert ma and tire toward the fifteenth
1:41:01
Speaker 3: green at Augusta National is not going to be met
1:41:04
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1:41:07
Speaker 3: And one note from Major League Soccer. It's early on,
1:41:11
Speaker 3: but there's some talk that Neaymar is looking to go
1:41:14
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1:41:18
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1:41:23
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1:41:27
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1:41:31
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1:41:33
Speaker 3: want to go. It's interesting that FC Cincinnati is the
1:41:36
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Speaker 3: a question out to you guys today. With three weeks
1:44:32
Speaker 3: of Utah football spring practice in our back pockets, as
1:44:36
Speaker 3: you guys look ahead to the season that's coming up,
1:44:39
Speaker 3: who do you think will be the most important newcomer
1:44:43
Speaker 3: to Utah football. Who do you see is the most
1:44:45
Speaker 3: important new comer? Not somebody that was on the team before,
1:44:48
Speaker 3: but somebody new to the team this year for Utah
1:44:51
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Speaker 3: This tech from Texter thirty five thirty nine says, if
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Speaker 3: the Mammoth win their first series, is that a great season?
1:45:10
Speaker 2: Yeah?
1:45:10
Speaker 3: I don't know if you say great season, but it's
1:45:12
Speaker 3: certainly a good season, and it's a step of the
1:45:14
Speaker 3: right direction. They were in a playoff team a year ago,
1:45:17
Speaker 3: so if you get to the playoffs, that's a step
1:45:20
Speaker 3: in the in the positive direction. And if you win
1:45:22
Speaker 3: a series, that's that's always a step in the positive direction.
1:45:26
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't again, good great you you use
1:45:29
Speaker 3: the term, but it's it's the right step for the
1:45:32
Speaker 3: Mammoth getting to the playoffs. Great, win a series even better,
1:45:37
Speaker 3: and yeah, then we'll see what the offseason holds for
1:45:39
Speaker 3: the Mammoth coming up. But it's been a good year
1:45:41
Speaker 3: so far. And if you've gotten down to the Delta
1:45:43
Speaker 3: Center to watch them, it's a great product. It really is.
1:45:46
Speaker 3: That hockey is is awesome. It's just it's in now. Yeah,
1:45:52
Speaker 3: It's it's pricey, no doubt about it. But everything in
1:45:55
Speaker 3: professional sports is pricey today. But it's a great product.
1:45:59
Speaker 3: It's the team. Team is good, the presentation is great
1:46:02
Speaker 3: for the mamos. So yeah, it's been a lot of fun.
1:46:05
Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell joining us from Chicago today where he'll be
1:46:08
Speaker 3: part of ESPN two's broadcast of the PFL main card tomorrow,
1:46:14
Speaker 3: Serg O Pettis and Mitch McKee four o'clock on ESPN two.
1:46:19
Speaker 3: How are things in the Windy City today?
1:46:22
Speaker 5: Sean a little chilly, but otherwise wonderful. Weigh In's done,
1:46:29
Speaker 5: fighters ready and just get ridy.
1:46:35
Speaker 3: How are weigh ins today compared to when you used
1:46:38
Speaker 3: to do weigh ins?
1:46:40
Speaker 5: There are a lot more efficient now and most MMA
1:46:44
Speaker 5: fans probably know this, but they allow fighters now to
1:46:47
Speaker 5: weigh in in the morning, as opposed to it used
1:46:52
Speaker 5: to be when you saw fighters on the scale on
1:46:55
Speaker 5: the stage facing off with one another. That was the
1:46:57
Speaker 5: real way in so would be you know, dehydrated, miserable, whatever, cranky,
1:47:05
Speaker 5: And I think the promotions like that because you would
1:47:07
Speaker 5: have you know, bad moods and some intense face offs
1:47:11
Speaker 5: and things like that. Now for the sake of health reasons,
1:47:14
Speaker 5: and it feels pretty obvious why it would be advantageous.
1:47:18
Speaker 5: You weigh in at nine in the morning, and then
1:47:21
Speaker 5: they do a ceremonial way in on the stage for
1:47:24
Speaker 5: the fans later in the day. So that came into
1:47:28
Speaker 5: effect towards the tail end of my fighting career. And
1:47:32
Speaker 5: let me tell you, it is a lot lot better
1:47:34
Speaker 5: because instead of being dehydrated for most of the day
1:47:38
Speaker 5: on weigh in day, you just dehydrate overnight early in
1:47:43
Speaker 5: the morning, and then you have a lot more time.
1:47:45
Speaker 5: You have another you know, eight twelve hours to rehydrate
1:47:49
Speaker 5: get yourself ready for actual competition.
1:47:51
Speaker 3: That was never you though, by the way, or maybe
1:47:53
Speaker 3: it was, and you just put a happy face on,
1:47:55
Speaker 3: but you were never grumpy or angry or any of
1:47:57
Speaker 3: that stuff. And if you were, you didn't show it.
1:48:00
Speaker 5: I didn't cut nearly as much weight as a lot
1:48:02
Speaker 5: of guys did, so I was not in any kind
1:48:05
Speaker 5: of trouble and I could at least put on a
1:48:07
Speaker 5: good game face and goof around a way.
1:48:09
Speaker 3: And where do they keep you guys, where's the event
1:48:11
Speaker 3: being taking place in Chicago?
1:48:14
Speaker 5: So we're at the wind Trust Arena in Chicago, which
1:48:16
Speaker 5: is on the campus of DePaul University. But we're staying
1:48:20
Speaker 5: right downtown, so we're right right by the river Walk
1:48:23
Speaker 5: and just right in the heart of it. And that's
1:48:25
Speaker 5: always great when you're in Chicago.
1:48:26
Speaker 3: It's the best I have what. Chicago is America's friendliest
1:48:30
Speaker 3: big city as long as you stay in the nicery
1:48:33
Speaker 3: areas and it's very walkable and a lot of things
1:48:36
Speaker 3: going on. And Spring in Chicago is hit and miss,
1:48:39
Speaker 3: but it's mostly hit.
1:48:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's cool today, but it's not raining
1:48:44
Speaker 5: or anything at least right now. Knock on wood and
1:48:48
Speaker 5: you know, there's a Cubs game, so we're headed to
1:48:50
Speaker 5: Wrigley right now.
1:48:51
Speaker 3: Excellent. So yeah, you'll get to see a little afternoon
1:48:54
Speaker 3: baseball and then tomorrow night call the Fights or tomorrow
1:48:56
Speaker 3: afternoon Call the Fights on ESPN two. All right. Media
1:49:00
Speaker 3: was allowed in yesterday to watch a little football practice,
1:49:03
Speaker 3: so Morgan Scaley kind of kind of threw a little
1:49:06
Speaker 3: carrot out there for the media. Got to see a
1:49:08
Speaker 3: little something something, and I've had a chance to talk
1:49:11
Speaker 3: to coaches and see a little practice this spring too.
1:49:13
Speaker 3: I threw a question out today newcomer Sean who's going
1:49:16
Speaker 3: to be the most important newcomer for Utah football this fall.
1:49:21
Speaker 5: I think you've got to go with one of those
1:49:23
Speaker 5: wide receivers. I think the quarterback position is pretty well established.
1:49:26
Speaker 5: I think that whoever emerged, well, you might say Kelvin
1:49:29
Speaker 5: Obots because I think he will be a starter on
1:49:32
Speaker 5: the offensive line, but you know he's going to be
1:49:34
Speaker 5: a true freshman. And I think that either Kyrie Scholz
1:49:37
Speaker 5: or Brandon Pegan or maybe a name, maybe the Ricky
1:49:40
Speaker 5: Johnson kid. Whoever, I think we're going to find somebody
1:49:43
Speaker 5: on this Utah roster that's that's catching passes this year
1:49:46
Speaker 5: that ends up being a massively impactful player. And it's
1:49:50
Speaker 5: a very talented room. It's a it's a relatively deep room,
1:49:53
Speaker 5: especially given what we've dealt with in these past few
1:49:55
Speaker 5: years at the University of Utah. So that would be
1:49:59
Speaker 5: my probably go to because those guys have impressed me
1:50:03
Speaker 5: a lot in the brief periods we've been able to
1:50:05
Speaker 5: watch them.
1:50:06
Speaker 3: I've been telling people don't necessarily and I say this
1:50:10
Speaker 3: because I said the offensive line is a big puzzle
1:50:12
Speaker 3: right now, and Kevin McGivern and Jordan Gross are trying
1:50:15
Speaker 3: to figure out where the puzzle pieces fit best. So
1:50:19
Speaker 3: just because you have in your mind, oh, Calvin Obod,
1:50:22
Speaker 3: he's going to step in and he's going to play
1:50:24
Speaker 3: immediately for Caleb Lomo at left tackle, slow that rule
1:50:29
Speaker 3: just a little bit because we've seen guys that are
1:50:31
Speaker 3: projected to be one thing, especially on along the offensive line,
1:50:35
Speaker 3: that could start one place and then end up transferring
1:50:37
Speaker 3: to someplace else. So I've told people, I said, don't
1:50:41
Speaker 3: think just because this was what people have said, that's
1:50:44
Speaker 3: necessarily what's going to be. It might, but I think
1:50:47
Speaker 3: that they're trying to figure out where everybody works best
1:50:49
Speaker 3: right now.
1:50:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And if you look
1:50:53
Speaker 5: at a lot of the offensive linemen, especially the tackle
1:50:55
Speaker 5: bodies that have played early in their careers at the
1:50:58
Speaker 5: University of Utah, most of those guys have flirted with
1:51:02
Speaker 5: different positions, They've moved around, you know, and you find
1:51:06
Speaker 5: the best fit. We saw that with Zane Beatles, you
1:51:08
Speaker 5: saw that with John Cullen when he was on this roster.
1:51:11
Speaker 5: You've seen you saw a little bit of that with
1:51:13
Speaker 5: Spencer Fono and that's probably what they'll do with Kelvin Obot.
1:51:16
Speaker 5: But I mean, you've seen him build. They're going to
1:51:18
Speaker 5: get him on the field as soon as he's ready,
1:51:20
Speaker 5: because couldn't is gracious.
1:51:22
Speaker 3: I would tell you to keep an eye on Cedric
1:51:24
Speaker 3: Jefferson from Montana State. And I say it and I
1:51:27
Speaker 3: don't know where he's going to play yet, and I
1:51:29
Speaker 3: don't know that Jordan Gross does either. But a guy
1:51:31
Speaker 3: that's played three years of college football and at a
1:51:34
Speaker 3: high level, albeit at the one Double A level, but
1:51:36
Speaker 3: he won championships there. I think his experience in locker
1:51:41
Speaker 3: rooms and on the field, even though there's a there's
1:51:43
Speaker 3: going to be a period where he's leveling up a
1:51:46
Speaker 3: little bit, and I'm sure that this springs part of it.
1:51:48
Speaker 3: I think Jefferson could be a key piece too.
1:51:51
Speaker 5: I think you're right and something that we I think
1:51:53
Speaker 5: we failed to appreciate sometimes when you're talking about upward
1:51:57
Speaker 5: mobility in the transfer portal. Right, let's say that the
1:52:01
Speaker 5: transferred thing wasn't an issue. Let's say that he had
1:52:05
Speaker 5: to stay at Montana State. Well, that's the guy who's
1:52:08
Speaker 5: at least getting his cup of coffee on Sundays, right,
1:52:11
Speaker 5: I played with guys, a couple of guys at Weaber
1:52:14
Speaker 5: State that were offensive linemen that got to play a
1:52:16
Speaker 5: year or two in the league. And if you're that
1:52:19
Speaker 5: level of player, you're good enough to start for a
1:52:21
Speaker 5: Big twelve team or an SEC team for that matter.
1:52:24
Speaker 5: Like they got Sunday guys too, they're fewer and further between.
1:52:28
Speaker 5: But I think he's one of those guys and that
1:52:30
Speaker 5: was a big pickup for this offensive line.
1:52:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:52:32
Speaker 3: I think just having that kind of experience and a
1:52:36
Speaker 3: guy that's got a little championship pedigree is good. I
1:52:39
Speaker 3: had Bryson Barnes on the show in the first hour today,
1:52:42
Speaker 3: Sean and I wanted to catch up with Bryson because
1:52:45
Speaker 3: everybody loves the pig Farmer and he's excited. He's hoping
1:52:48
Speaker 3: to get a free agent invite someplace and get a
1:52:50
Speaker 3: chance to play. But I wanted to get from him,
1:52:55
Speaker 3: especially what he thought Kevin mcgiven's impact with be with
1:53:00
Speaker 3: Utah football in the Utah offense, because Kevin McGivern unlocked
1:53:04
Speaker 3: Bryce and Barnes a year ago. This was a guy
1:53:07
Speaker 3: that was the solid football player. He was a solid
1:53:10
Speaker 3: player for Utah. He had a solid first year but
1:53:12
Speaker 3: he wasn't the outright guy his first year at Utah State.
1:53:15
Speaker 3: He kind of split time up there. But last year
1:53:18
Speaker 3: Kevin mcgiven found a way to unlock him to where
1:53:20
Speaker 3: he was a twenty five hundred yard passer and a
1:53:22
Speaker 3: seven hundred yard rusher and he was an All Conference
1:53:24
Speaker 3: caliber player there. He just thinks that Kevin mcgiven is
1:53:29
Speaker 3: going to take what he did at Utah State and
1:53:31
Speaker 3: take it to another level with the level of talent
1:53:33
Speaker 3: that he's got with Ficklin and Dan Pierre and the
1:53:35
Speaker 3: receivers in the line. He just thinks that mcgivernon's going
1:53:38
Speaker 3: to do really good things.
1:53:40
Speaker 2: I agree.
1:53:41
Speaker 5: And you got to remember Kevin mcgiven when you take
1:53:45
Speaker 5: back to his Weaver State days, he developed a couple
1:53:48
Speaker 5: of NFL players at a Weaver State program that this
1:53:52
Speaker 5: is before they were a real powerhouse, right, And he
1:53:57
Speaker 5: continued that at every level he's been at now he's
1:53:59
Speaker 5: got the best raw talent, the best raw material he's
1:54:02
Speaker 5: ever had in his career to work with. And I've
1:54:06
Speaker 5: always been a believer that you can if you can
1:54:08
Speaker 5: do more with less, you can do even more with more.
1:54:12
Speaker 5: And that's what Kevin mcgibbon's going to be tasked to do.
1:54:15
Speaker 5: He's got an incredible amount of talents. The experience of
1:54:20
Speaker 5: getting all those guys together, firing on all cylinders cohesive
1:54:25
Speaker 5: as an offense is really the thing that is going
1:54:28
Speaker 5: to take a little bit of time, and hopefully, you know,
1:54:31
Speaker 5: they have enough of it because you get fifteen practices
1:54:33
Speaker 5: in spring, they'll have the summer program where the coaches
1:54:36
Speaker 5: don't get to be involved, and then you know they
1:54:39
Speaker 5: got two weeks in the fall to really dial it
1:54:41
Speaker 5: in before you're doing install and game prep, so that
1:54:44
Speaker 5: the timeline is the only thing I worry about with
1:54:46
Speaker 5: Kevin McGibbon his knowledge of the game's talent and scheme.
1:54:51
Speaker 5: Not worried about that. It's just a time.
1:54:53
Speaker 3: You know, we've talked so much Sean this spring and
1:54:55
Speaker 3: this offseason about the new offense and mcgiven coming in,
1:54:59
Speaker 3: Chad Bumpus coming back, things like that. I don't really
1:55:02
Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people have talked much defensively.
1:55:05
Speaker 3: What's your read on this defense? I know you had
1:55:07
Speaker 3: Colton swan on last week, and and I've talked to
1:55:11
Speaker 3: Colton as well on my podcast, but I'm just you know,
1:55:15
Speaker 3: there aren't a lot of big names. There aren't the
1:55:17
Speaker 3: Lander Bartons necessarily, there aren't the uh uh you know
1:55:21
Speaker 3: some of the some of the names a Logan final,
1:55:23
Speaker 3: We've got a couple. I mean, there's some guys coming back.
1:55:25
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like defense hasn't been talked
1:55:28
Speaker 3: quite about as much as the offense has this offseason.
1:55:31
Speaker 3: Is that just simply in your mind because people believe, hey,
1:55:34
Speaker 3: Rinch wash repeat Utah defense or what's your what's your
1:55:37
Speaker 3: read on the defense this offseason?
1:55:39
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think people might feel that way.
1:55:42
Speaker 5: I think it's far from guaranteed. Now you look at
1:55:45
Speaker 5: it and you say, well, our head coach is the
1:55:47
Speaker 5: guy who was coordinating this defense last year, and he
1:55:50
Speaker 5: trusts Colton Swan to take over, so we think everything's
1:55:53
Speaker 5: going to be fine.
1:55:54
Speaker 2: There.
1:55:54
Speaker 5: You've just gotten used to the idea that Utah Football's
1:55:57
Speaker 5: defense is always going to be good no matter what happens,
1:56:00
Speaker 5: and I think they will be. I think it's going
1:56:02
Speaker 5: to look a little bit different, though. I think it's
1:56:03
Speaker 5: going to be more of a bi committee thing because
1:56:06
Speaker 5: of what you just mentioned. There's not the obvious big stars.
1:56:09
Speaker 5: There's not the obvious like, hey, he's definitely going to
1:56:12
Speaker 5: be an NFL guy on this roster right now, at
1:56:15
Speaker 5: least on the defensive side of the ball. And that
1:56:18
Speaker 5: could be a good thing, that could be a bad thing.
1:56:20
Speaker 5: And I mean, Jay Hill did some really wonderful things
1:56:22
Speaker 5: with a b YU roster that didn't have you know,
1:56:26
Speaker 5: any Megas stars a couple of years ago, and Colton
1:56:29
Speaker 5: Swan is going to be hyper aggressive. He already is
1:56:32
Speaker 5: being hyper aggressive. You heard burd Fitlin like kind of
1:56:35
Speaker 5: jokingly complaining about it atte after practice the other day.
1:56:38
Speaker 5: He's just like, man, he doesn't make it easy on us.
1:56:41
Speaker 5: And that's that's exactly what Colton Swan is.
1:56:44
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same thing that offensive players complained about
1:56:46
Speaker 3: Morgan Scalley for years too, that you know, the defense
1:56:49
Speaker 3: might have a bad practice or by their standard of
1:56:52
Speaker 3: bad practice, and then you knew the next time out,
1:56:55
Speaker 3: you know, all of a sudden, Morgan Scalley was raining
1:56:58
Speaker 3: blitzes down from everywhere, and guys are like, Okay, yeah,
1:57:02
Speaker 3: we had a good day yesterday. We didn't have a
1:57:03
Speaker 3: good day today.
1:57:05
Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's that. Look, you want that level of
1:57:07
Speaker 5: competition as long as you're not hurting each other. And
1:57:09
Speaker 5: that's another thing that I think bears repeating as many
1:57:12
Speaker 5: times as we can. They're practicing like hard. This is
1:57:16
Speaker 5: a very very physical program right now, and they're establishing
1:57:19
Speaker 5: that tone and that expectation by reducing the amount of
1:57:23
Speaker 5: thud periods and saying, look, dial it in right now,
1:57:26
Speaker 5: go full speed. You're not going to get hurt if
1:57:29
Speaker 5: you're going full speed, and he's going full speed. Let's
1:57:31
Speaker 5: get these good practice reps in, get ready for games,
1:57:35
Speaker 5: and earn yourself a spot. And I love the way
1:57:37
Speaker 5: that that that's the way that Morgan is running.
1:57:39
Speaker 2: This program right now.
1:57:41
Speaker 3: I know it's way too early, we're sitting here in
1:57:43
Speaker 3: mid April, but I'm going to say it to you.
1:57:46
Speaker 3: I've said it on my podcast. I just I think
1:57:49
Speaker 3: Jackson Benny is a superstar in the making right now
1:57:51
Speaker 3: for Utah football. I think Jackson Benny has a huge
1:57:54
Speaker 3: year this year for the Utah defense.
1:57:57
Speaker 5: I hope they keep him mostly on defense.
1:57:59
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
1:58:01
Speaker 5: I love the versatility of a player like that. But
1:58:04
Speaker 5: just let the guy ride his instincts right his athleticism
1:58:08
Speaker 5: and obviously the incredible coaching he's been getting and he
1:58:11
Speaker 5: will continue to get, and just let him be a
1:58:13
Speaker 5: defensive star. I think you have the offensive weapons now
1:58:16
Speaker 5: that you don't need to use whatever amount of speed
1:58:19
Speaker 5: you have anywhere. You can just let the kid play
1:58:22
Speaker 5: defense and let him excel.
1:58:25
Speaker 3: We're gonna have an NFL draft insider coming up here
1:58:27
Speaker 3: in the next segment. Devin Jackson's going to join US
1:58:30
Speaker 3: drafts less than two weeks away. Spencer Fano. He may
1:58:34
Speaker 3: be a tackle, he may be a guard, he may
1:58:37
Speaker 3: be a center. He's practiced and worked out at all
1:58:39
Speaker 3: those positions. Well, what you read, you think he's a
1:58:42
Speaker 3: top ten pick, top fifteen pick, top five pick. Where
1:58:45
Speaker 3: do you see we think we see Spencer got Well?
1:58:48
Speaker 5: I think that depends on where people think he projects. Right,
1:58:52
Speaker 5: the fact that he is now kind of dropped into
1:58:56
Speaker 5: maybe third tackle conversation is not encouraging from a maximizing
1:59:03
Speaker 5: your draft spot standpoint, But it also means you're going
1:59:06
Speaker 5: to end up at a better and a better team. But,
1:59:09
Speaker 5: like you know, if he falls down to fifteen, sixteen,
1:59:11
Speaker 5: seventeen and they want him to play guard or center,
1:59:15
Speaker 5: that's not as sexy of a signing bonus. But he's
1:59:18
Speaker 5: on a better team, playing for a better franchise, which
1:59:21
Speaker 5: I think works out longer or better for longer in
1:59:25
Speaker 5: his career. I think, you know, you don't see it
1:59:28
Speaker 5: a ton in the NFL, but you might see him
1:59:30
Speaker 5: play multiple positions in the NFL because of that uncertainty,
1:59:34
Speaker 5: and whatever team decides they are willing to spend first
1:59:38
Speaker 5: round capital on him is going to have a plan.
1:59:40
Speaker 5: I don't know what that plan is going to be,
1:59:42
Speaker 5: but talking to offensive line insiders and like, there's not
1:59:47
Speaker 5: a consensus anymore about whether or not he belongs at
1:59:50
Speaker 5: that right tackle spot where he played all of or
1:59:53
Speaker 5: the bulk of his college career, whether he'd be you know,
1:59:56
Speaker 5: nimble enough and athletic enough inside. And he's a really
2:00:00
Speaker 5: smart and communicative kid, and that's perfect if you're a center.
2:00:05
Speaker 5: He's also not enormous compared to other tackles. Compared to
2:00:09
Speaker 5: me and you and a regular human being, he's enormous,
2:00:12
Speaker 5: but NFL tackles, like some of these guys are six
2:00:15
Speaker 5: eight three forty, so he's relatively modest in size compared
2:00:19
Speaker 5: to some of them. And that I mean, I actually
2:00:22
Speaker 5: love the idea of him playing center. Maybe not for
2:00:24
Speaker 5: his own personal wealth, but he'd be a great center
2:00:27
Speaker 5: and could be a huge asset for a lot of
2:00:29
Speaker 5: teams there.
2:00:30
Speaker 3: If he's a starting center for ten years, he his
2:00:33
Speaker 3: kids and his grandkids will be set for life.
2:00:37
Speaker 5: Yeah. Fair.
2:00:39
Speaker 3: He may not end up getting you know, all time
2:00:43
Speaker 3: record setting money, but if he plays center in plays
2:00:46
Speaker 3: for ten years in the NFL, nobody with the last
2:00:49
Speaker 3: name Fano that's tied to him will probably worry about much.
2:00:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:00:54
Speaker 5: I think that that family, given you know what, he
2:00:57
Speaker 5: and Logan will be able to achieve. And then there's
2:00:59
Speaker 5: three more boys on their way up to the ranks.
2:01:02
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, I think that mom and dad
2:01:05
Speaker 5: and grandma and grandpa and nephews and kids. I think
2:01:09
Speaker 5: there's going to be a lot of stuff to share around.
2:01:12
Speaker 3: I think so too. Is Barton drafted or is he
2:01:15
Speaker 3: a free agent? Is Dalan Bentley drafted or is he
2:01:17
Speaker 3: a free agent?
2:01:19
Speaker 5: I think probably late draft in both cases. I actually
2:01:23
Speaker 5: think Dalan Bentley might get drafted before Lander Barton does
2:01:27
Speaker 5: because his relative athletics score was a lot better. I
2:01:30
Speaker 5: think that you've got the sort of hey, this kid
2:01:33
Speaker 5: was a bit of a pleasant surprise, rather than he
2:01:37
Speaker 5: might not have lived up to the hype, and that matters.
2:01:40
Speaker 5: The mental weight of that for teams having heard Lander
2:01:45
Speaker 5: Barton's name, or knowing Lander Barton's name because of his
2:01:48
Speaker 5: older brothers being NFL players and seeing his production and saying, oh, man,
2:01:52
Speaker 5: you know, maybe he didn't produce up to what his
2:01:54
Speaker 5: recruitment and then his body we thought he'd be able
2:01:57
Speaker 5: to do, he had those injury problems. Dalan Bentley was
2:02:00
Speaker 5: more of like, we didn't have this kid on our radar,
2:02:02
Speaker 5: but now he's burst onto it and look what he
2:02:04
Speaker 5: was able to do. He's just a really big, strong,
2:02:08
Speaker 5: scary athletic guy, and NFL teams can find a.
2:02:11
Speaker 2: Way to use that.
2:02:12
Speaker 3: You know, when I look at a guy like Lander Barton,
2:02:15
Speaker 3: I think a perfect a perfect I won't say comp
2:02:19
Speaker 3: but a situation that could work out well for him.
2:02:22
Speaker 3: You remember, well, I know you do, because you're You're
2:02:25
Speaker 3: a Colorado Buffalo guy through and through. Nate Landman. Nate Landman,
2:02:29
Speaker 3: when he was healthy at Colorado was an All Conference
2:02:32
Speaker 3: caliber linebacker. But Nate Landman battled some injuries and stuff
2:02:36
Speaker 3: through the years. Well, Nate Landman went undrafted, but guess
2:02:39
Speaker 3: what he starts for the LA Rams right now and
2:02:42
Speaker 3: he's had a fantastic NFL career.
2:02:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nate Landman is a great example of when you
2:02:47
Speaker 5: know you just you don't always get it right. He
2:02:49
Speaker 5: didn't run a fast forty. He doesn't have like the
2:02:52
Speaker 5: measurables that other guys do. It's an incredible physical and
2:02:56
Speaker 5: very intelligent football player, and that's why when he was
2:02:59
Speaker 5: in college there was a time where he was leading
2:03:02
Speaker 5: the nation in tackles, not just his Colorado Buffalo's team,
2:03:05
Speaker 5: he was leading the nation in tackles for a few weeks.
2:03:08
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, if Lander can stay healthy, he's
2:03:12
Speaker 5: got an opportunity to have a nice long NFL career.
2:03:16
Speaker 5: I also I wish that we would have seen more
2:03:19
Speaker 5: of him at tight end because he's pretty fluid there. Ye,
2:03:22
Speaker 5: the lateral speed isn't It isn't the best thing for him,
2:03:24
Speaker 5: which can be problematic depending on what scheme you play
2:03:27
Speaker 5: in as a linebacker. But man, when he was when
2:03:30
Speaker 5: he wasn't playing tight end, you were like, holy cow,
2:03:33
Speaker 5: this is a very natural thing for him. So I
2:03:35
Speaker 5: wish we'd seen more of it.
2:03:36
Speaker 3: Uh, is the card a good one? Tomorrow? What are
2:03:38
Speaker 3: we expecting if we tune into four o'clock tomorrow in
2:03:40
Speaker 3: ESPN two?
2:03:42
Speaker 5: It really is an awesome card. We got a we
2:03:44
Speaker 5: got a middleweight co Maine event that's going to factor
2:03:46
Speaker 5: into the title picture. Jordan Newman is a two time
2:03:49
Speaker 5: Division two National National wrestling champion who's just a physical
2:03:54
Speaker 5: freak going up against a guy named Josh Sloveda, who's
2:03:57
Speaker 5: the son of one of the like foundational legends of
2:04:01
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts in America. His dad, Conan Saveta, established
2:04:05
Speaker 5: American Top Team, which is now the best gym in
2:04:07
Speaker 5: the sport in the world. So he was literally raised
2:04:11
Speaker 5: on the mats, which is pretty cool. And then in
2:04:13
Speaker 5: the main event, Sergio Pettis, the younger brother of Anthony Pettis.
2:04:16
Speaker 5: The Pettis brothers have been big stars. They're some of
2:04:19
Speaker 5: the most dynamic strikers you're going to find in the game.
2:04:21
Speaker 5: And the winner of that when he takes on Mitch McKee,
2:04:24
Speaker 5: who's a former University of Minnesota All American wrestler winner
2:04:28
Speaker 5: that will be fighting for the bantamweight championship next time
2:04:32
Speaker 5: we see them.
2:04:32
Speaker 3: Sergio any relation to former Washington Husky return man Dante
2:04:37
Speaker 3: Pettis and Gary Petts his father.
2:04:40
Speaker 5: I only wish. I only wish they and he probably
2:04:43
Speaker 5: does too, because he'd be a lot taller were if
2:04:46
Speaker 5: they were related, But now Sergio and his brother Anthony
2:04:50
Speaker 5: are legends.
2:04:50
Speaker 2: Here in the Midwest.
2:04:51
Speaker 5: They're from the Milwaukee area, and you know there's several
2:04:56
Speaker 5: fighting families, but that is like a young American modern wife.
2:05:00
Speaker 5: And Anthony was the UFC Champs search. He has been
2:05:03
Speaker 5: a bellator champion. Now he wants PFL gold, but he's
2:05:06
Speaker 5: got to win a couple more fights to make it happen.
2:05:08
Speaker 3: All right, go enjoy Wrigleyville and won't take too much
2:05:10
Speaker 3: more of your time. Thanks for letting me sit in today,
2:05:12
Speaker 3: have a great call tomorrow.
2:05:13
Speaker 5: I'll talk to you next week, all right, Thanks Bill,
2:05:16
Speaker 5: appreciate you.
2:05:17
Speaker 3: Thank you. Sean. Sean O'Connell making an appearance on his
2:05:20
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2:05:25
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2:05:29
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Speaker 3: Devin Jackson NFL Draft Insider. We were just talking about
2:05:51
Speaker 3: it with Sean. We'll find out where Devin sees the
2:05:54
Speaker 3: Utah guys and some of the other guys with local
2:05:56
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2:06:00
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2:06:22
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2:06:40
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Speaker 3: Spence will have updates throughout the afternoon for you as well.
2:06:55
Speaker 3: Here on the leaders at Augusta National, and yeah, the
2:06:59
Speaker 3: PGA Tour and of course today's Masters Round number two.
2:07:03
Speaker 3: We're inside of two weeks to go until the NFL Draft,
2:07:06
Speaker 3: and there's plenty of guys with local ties, plenty of
2:07:08
Speaker 3: Utah guys that might hear their names called on Thursday, Friday,
2:07:12
Speaker 3: or Saturday. There are a couple of guys that will
2:07:14
Speaker 3: probably hear their names called on Thursday in Round number
2:07:17
Speaker 3: one at Spencer Fano and Caleb Blomu. Since I'm back
2:07:22
Speaker 3: in the air chair today, I thought i'd call on
2:07:25
Speaker 3: a guy that used to jump on on a pretty
2:07:27
Speaker 3: regular basis this time of year when I was doing
2:07:28
Speaker 3: this show on a regular basis. His name is Devin Jackson.
2:07:32
Speaker 3: He's a sports editor and NFL Draft insider for the
2:07:35
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Inquirer. But I knew before I knew him before
2:07:38
Speaker 3: he hit the big time in Philadelphia, and Devin kind
2:07:41
Speaker 3: enough to take a few minutes out of his day
2:07:43
Speaker 3: to day to talk some NFL Draft with us. Devin,
2:07:45
Speaker 3: how are you feeling great?
2:07:47
Speaker 7: Bough was awesome to hear from you. And then as
2:07:49
Speaker 7: soon as he reached out to jump on on. You know,
2:07:52
Speaker 7: I jumped out the opportunity. You know, I remember when
2:07:54
Speaker 7: I first started doing radio and radio hits. You were
2:07:58
Speaker 7: the first one to kind of bring me on and
2:08:01
Speaker 7: bring me on pretty consistently. So this is pretty cool
2:08:03
Speaker 7: to be back on with you and then talk to
2:08:05
Speaker 7: NFL Draft.
2:08:06
Speaker 3: And now look at you in the City of Brotherly
2:08:09
Speaker 3: Shove and breaking down Eagles Draft and NFL Draft and
2:08:13
Speaker 3: all that good stuff. So congratulations on all your success
2:08:16
Speaker 3: and again thanks for doing this on short notice and
2:08:19
Speaker 3: coming on with us today. I love the NFL Draft.
2:08:21
Speaker 3: I got to cover it many many many years ago
2:08:23
Speaker 3: when I covered the Jacksonville Jaguars in their inaugural season
2:08:27
Speaker 3: and all the way through two thousand and one. So
2:08:29
Speaker 3: the draft is great and it's you know, only the NFL,
2:08:32
Speaker 3: Devin could make this into a three day major event
2:08:37
Speaker 3: where they control the news cycle as they do with everything.
2:08:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:08:40
Speaker 7: Absolutely, this has become one of the premier events of
2:08:44
Speaker 7: the NFL calendar. You know, you think about obviously the
2:08:47
Speaker 7: actual season and the Super Bowl, but I will argue
2:08:50
Speaker 7: the NFL Draft is probably thorough on that list, you know,
2:08:52
Speaker 7: because everyone is focused on it, you know, It gets
2:08:55
Speaker 7: talked about kind of at nauseum, especially after you know
2:08:58
Speaker 7: the combine and after free agency has done, all eyes
2:09:02
Speaker 7: turns toward the draft. Everyone's talking about the draft of
2:09:05
Speaker 7: this time of year, and in this draft class where
2:09:07
Speaker 7: there's no real consensus after the first pick, I think
2:09:11
Speaker 7: is made even more intriguing, and everyone wants to know
2:09:15
Speaker 7: what teams are going to be doing at the top
2:09:16
Speaker 7: of the draft, and then what their teams are going
2:09:17
Speaker 7: to ultimately do.
2:09:18
Speaker 3: All we're going to get to the local guys in
2:09:20
Speaker 3: a minute. Let's talk about that. Everybody knows mendoz is
2:09:22
Speaker 3: going to the Raiders that there's no doubt about that
2:09:25
Speaker 3: they need a quarterback. He's the best available, probably not
2:09:28
Speaker 3: the best quarterback prospect we've seen in recent years, but
2:09:31
Speaker 3: a good quarterback and certainly probably an upgrade for the Raiders.
2:09:34
Speaker 3: Where do you go after that? Who are your guys
2:09:36
Speaker 3: after that? You know you've got teams that need edge rushers,
2:09:39
Speaker 3: you got teams that need offensive linemen, got teams that
2:09:43
Speaker 3: need just good talent in general. Where do you go
2:09:46
Speaker 3: your next couple of picks after Mendoza?
2:09:49
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Jets at two gets really interesting
2:09:52
Speaker 7: because it feels like they're probably gonna go edge there
2:09:55
Speaker 7: and they have to intriguing options. They have David Bailey
2:09:58
Speaker 7: from Texas Tech, who had an outstanding season in his
2:10:01
Speaker 7: final season in college in his only season with Texas Tech.
2:10:05
Speaker 7: You obviously have Rvo Reese, who kind of bursts on
2:10:08
Speaker 7: the scene as a linebacker edge hybrid, and I think
2:10:11
Speaker 7: the Jets have a difficult decision to make because both
2:10:15
Speaker 7: players are really good, but they bring very different types
2:10:18
Speaker 7: of roles to the NFL team. Marvel Reess, you're going
2:10:21
Speaker 7: to be looking at a guy that you know is
2:10:23
Speaker 7: just learning how to rush the passer. You know, he
2:10:26
Speaker 7: was so natural at doing it at Ohio State and
2:10:29
Speaker 7: he really relied on his instincts in athleticism. David Bailey
2:10:32
Speaker 7: is more of a guy that's a little bit more
2:10:35
Speaker 7: refined in his past rushing approach, explosive off the ball,
2:10:39
Speaker 7: able to, you know, make multiple moves and get to
2:10:43
Speaker 7: the quarterback pretty consistently. So I think the Jets gets
2:10:46
Speaker 7: really interesting at two and then three with Arizona. The
2:10:49
Speaker 7: Arizona Cardinals, you know they could go off into the line.
2:10:52
Speaker 7: You know, you have Stitzefano, you have Francis malanoa from
2:10:56
Speaker 7: Miami as two guys that can make sense for them,
2:10:58
Speaker 7: or they could go skills edge. You know, you've got
2:11:01
Speaker 7: Ruben Bay and you've got David Bailey and Arva Reese,
2:11:03
Speaker 7: which I just mentioned. You know, you could could go
2:11:06
Speaker 7: a completely different route, maybe if you want to kleb down.
2:11:09
Speaker 7: So I think the first couple of picks in the
2:11:11
Speaker 7: first round are going to be really interesting because the
2:11:13
Speaker 7: Jets feel like they're going to go edge, but Arizona,
2:11:16
Speaker 7: you really truly don't know where they're gonna go. You
2:11:19
Speaker 7: go to Tennessee, it feels like they're a Jeremiah Love spot,
2:11:22
Speaker 7: the running back from nor Dame, who's one of the
2:11:25
Speaker 7: best players in this draft class. But you know, obviously
2:11:27
Speaker 7: Tennessee they're they're trying to rebuild a little bit under
2:11:30
Speaker 7: Robert Salah and trying to get some weapons around Cam
2:11:33
Speaker 7: mood to number one pick from last year, so they
2:11:36
Speaker 7: could go you know, offense, they could go defense and
2:11:39
Speaker 7: get one of those guys that work picked before, whether
2:11:41
Speaker 7: it's Bailey or Reese. And then you go to number
2:11:44
Speaker 7: five with New York and I feel like they're all
2:11:46
Speaker 7: in the same kind of kind of category, and I
2:11:49
Speaker 7: think you maybe start talking about sunny styles the other
2:11:52
Speaker 7: line back from Ohio State, and maybe you discuss maybe
2:11:55
Speaker 7: they go offensive line and continue to build their offensive
2:11:57
Speaker 7: line for Jackson dart or do you add a weapon
2:12:00
Speaker 7: maybe like a Cardinal Tate from Ohio State. So the
2:12:03
Speaker 7: top five, you know, they could go a myriad of directions,
2:12:07
Speaker 7: and I really think it really depends on obviously who's
2:12:09
Speaker 7: on the board there and if there's a player there
2:12:12
Speaker 7: that maybe they thought was going to go to and
2:12:14
Speaker 7: they end up don't, you know. And then there's always
2:12:16
Speaker 7: the trade back looming two, So it's like a lot
2:12:19
Speaker 7: of teams want to trade back and you know, get
2:12:21
Speaker 7: more resources for the twenty twenty seven draft and which
2:12:25
Speaker 7: is supposed to be a little bit stronger. So it's
2:12:27
Speaker 7: it could really go a number of different ways. You know,
2:12:30
Speaker 7: you kind of have to prepare for everything because you know,
2:12:33
Speaker 7: there's no real consensus here. So I'm really excited to
2:12:36
Speaker 7: see how it all shapes out.
2:12:38
Speaker 3: So on the Devin Jackson Big Board, regardless of need
2:12:41
Speaker 3: or position, who are the three best football players? If
2:12:44
Speaker 3: we're just talking about ballplayers and you're just picking on
2:12:48
Speaker 3: the playground, who are your best three ball players in
2:12:51
Speaker 3: this draft.
2:12:52
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I mentioned two of them already. Sunny Styles,
2:12:55
Speaker 7: the linebacker from Ohio State. He's my top overall player.
2:12:59
Speaker 7: And when look at a player that you know is
2:13:02
Speaker 7: at six', four like two thirty five to, forty and
2:13:06
Speaker 7: the way that he ran at the combine he ran
2:13:10
Speaker 7: four four, six the instincts he. Has he's a former,
2:13:13
Speaker 7: safety that transitional, linebacker and he's been one of the,
2:13:17
Speaker 7: best if not the best player For Ohio states defense
2:13:19
Speaker 7: the last two, years you, Know AND i feel that,
2:13:22
Speaker 7: way even with The Caleb downs and what he did
2:13:25
Speaker 7: to that or brought to that. Defense i've really Like Sonny,
2:13:29
Speaker 7: styles his, instincts his his coverage. Ability he rarely missed.
2:13:33
Speaker 7: Tackles he missed one tackle in all of twenty twenty,
2:13:36
Speaker 7: five which is very hard to do at the linebacker.
2:13:39
Speaker 7: Position and he's just so so, good AND i think
2:13:43
Speaker 7: he's going to fit the MODERN. Nfl AND i think
2:13:46
Speaker 7: in every draft that you, have he'd be. Idarky he's
2:13:49
Speaker 7: one of the best linebacker prospects we had in the
2:13:52
Speaker 7: last three or four. Years So i'm really excited to
2:13:55
Speaker 7: see what he does at THE nfl. Level, JEREMI i
2:13:57
Speaker 7: love for WHO i mentioned is my number two. Guy
2:14:00
Speaker 7: he's just a nice blend the bat less in, speed
2:14:04
Speaker 7: the ability he brings as a pass catching back to
2:14:07
Speaker 7: out of the backfields and legit put him out and
2:14:10
Speaker 7: run routes as a receiver on the. Slot and then
2:14:13
Speaker 7: of course he also brings that that pass protection ability
2:14:16
Speaker 7: to H he has some nice clips this year at
2:14:18
Speaker 7: Nor dame of picking up blitzers and and you, know
2:14:21
Speaker 7: putting in putting them into the. Ground so he's one
2:14:24
Speaker 7: of the better running back prospects we've seen in you,
2:14:27
Speaker 7: know the last few. YEARS i don't know if he's
2:14:29
Speaker 7: on the Sae Quon barkley level of running back, prospect
2:14:32
Speaker 7: but he's he's really good and really up. There and
2:14:35
Speaker 7: The cale down is my number three, prospect you. KNOW i,
2:14:37
Speaker 7: KNOW i talked About David bailey and R Vl reeves
2:14:39
Speaker 7: kind of going number two, overall But Caleb downs he
2:14:43
Speaker 7: is one of the smartest football. PLAYERS i watched him on. Film,
2:14:47
Speaker 7: uh Since i've been doing. This he's always in the
2:14:48
Speaker 7: right place at the right. Time he's always making his teammates.
2:14:51
Speaker 2: Correct you.
2:14:52
Speaker 7: Know the ball production isn't exactly what you would expect
2:14:55
Speaker 7: of a guy that's going to go that high in
2:14:57
Speaker 7: the first. Round but in terms of, instinct, reliability tackling,
2:15:01
Speaker 7: ability and just being able to do multiple things for
2:15:05
Speaker 7: a defense wearing multiple. Hats he's been outstanding player throughout
2:15:09
Speaker 7: his college. Career so kind of interesting that my three
2:15:12
Speaker 7: top guys are at positions that are not exactly a
2:15:16
Speaker 7: premiere for premium and but this speaks to the level
2:15:19
Speaker 7: of what this draft class.
2:15:20
Speaker 3: Is Devin jackson with US Centfl Draft, Insider Philadelphia inquirer
2:15:25
Speaker 3: WITH us here are on The shat O'Connell show, Today
2:15:27
Speaker 3: Bill riley sitting in For. Sean let's talk about the local,
2:15:30
Speaker 3: Guys Spencer, Fano Caleb. Lomu you know you've got a
2:15:34
Speaker 3: pretty good offensive line when you have two, guys not,
2:15:37
Speaker 3: one but two guys taken in the first. Round that's
2:15:39
Speaker 3: likely to happen For utah this year With lomu And.
2:15:42
Speaker 3: Fano spencer appears to be the higher prospect of the,
2:15:47
Speaker 3: two though both are very very. Good Fano i've seen
2:15:50
Speaker 3: his highest number three To arizona and maybe his lowest
2:15:53
Speaker 3: fourteen or, fifteen probably not past the middle of the first.
2:15:56
Speaker 3: Round where Does fano fall for you as far as offensive.
2:16:01
Speaker 3: Lineman as you, mentioned there's no real consensus on. Lineman
2:16:05
Speaker 3: might Be, malanoah might Be, Monroe monroe. Freeling but where
2:16:09
Speaker 3: where do you where do you fall With Spencer? Fino
2:16:12
Speaker 3: and what do you think his range?
2:16:13
Speaker 9: Is?
2:16:14
Speaker 7: YEAH i think you know final for me is my
2:16:17
Speaker 7: second rate offensive lineman in this, class regardless of, position
2:16:20
Speaker 7: AND i think he hits the MODERN. Nfl AND i
2:16:22
Speaker 7: think the only reason that he's being talked, about maybe
2:16:25
Speaker 7: middle of the first round or maybe a little bit,
2:16:27
Speaker 7: later is, because you, know does he stick out a.
2:16:31
Speaker 7: TACKLE i think some teams view him as kind of
2:16:34
Speaker 7: a guard. Prospect some have mentioned that maybe he could
2:16:37
Speaker 7: take center, snaps and he did so at the. Combine
2:16:40
Speaker 7: after the, workouts he asked him to do some center,
2:16:43
Speaker 7: Snaps SO i think that kind of complicates, his you,
2:16:46
Speaker 7: know evaluation a little, bit just BECAUSE i feel like
2:16:49
Speaker 7: when you think about THE, NFL i think versatility is
2:16:52
Speaker 7: always valuable in terms of offensive lineman and taking in
2:16:55
Speaker 7: the first. Round if you think they're a, tackle you're
2:16:58
Speaker 7: taking them. Early but if you think they might have
2:17:00
Speaker 7: some positional, FLEX i think that's where they tend to
2:17:03
Speaker 7: last a little bit longer than you. Expect BUT i
2:17:05
Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised before five years from now we're Saying Spencer,
2:17:08
Speaker 7: fino who's the best offensive lineman from this, class BECAUSE
2:17:11
Speaker 7: i think he brings that the athleticism. POPS i think
2:17:15
Speaker 7: he ran like a four to nine almost a four
2:17:17
Speaker 7: to nine flat at the at the, combine which is
2:17:20
Speaker 7: insane for a guy that's oll worth three hundred. Pounds
2:17:23
Speaker 7: just the athleticism you see on, tape the ability to
2:17:26
Speaker 7: block out in.
2:17:26
Speaker 2: Space you, know.
2:17:28
Speaker 7: He's just has the temperament of AN nfl offensive, lineman
2:17:32
Speaker 7: AND i would expect him to not last past like
2:17:36
Speaker 7: The Detroit lions at, seventeen you, KNOW i think that's
2:17:39
Speaker 7: the team that you, know if he starts making it down,
2:17:41
Speaker 7: THERE i think teams get a little bit antsy and
2:17:44
Speaker 7: maybe go up and try to get. Him BUT i
2:17:45
Speaker 7: can't imagine that he makes a Pass detroit at this
2:17:49
Speaker 7: point in the draft BECAUSE i think he's one of
2:17:50
Speaker 7: the best offensive linemen in this.
2:17:51
Speaker 3: Class how do you how do you Differentiate devin between the,
2:17:55
Speaker 3: tape which is ultimately what you are as a football,
2:17:58
Speaker 3: player and the, measurables whether It's Spencer fono Or Ruben
2:18:02
Speaker 3: bain on the defensive side or a guy Like cash
2:18:04
Speaker 3: is how are blength or hand size all these? Things
2:18:08
Speaker 3: but some of these guys are All americans who played
2:18:10
Speaker 3: at the highest level of college football and had great.
2:18:13
Speaker 3: Success so when you're evaluating a, prospect WHEN nfl teams
2:18:17
Speaker 3: are evaluating a, prospect how do you put a side
2:18:20
Speaker 3: or how do you you, know kind of split into
2:18:22
Speaker 3: categories the tape that you watch versus the.
2:18:25
Speaker 7: Measurables, YEAH i think you have to factor in the
2:18:29
Speaker 7: measurables when you're, watching especially at positions like edge, rusher
2:18:33
Speaker 7: at off offensive, tackle offensive, line just in, general even
2:18:37
Speaker 7: to some degree, cornerback because when you, are you, know
2:18:41
Speaker 7: in a position where your link is going to be,
2:18:44
Speaker 7: TESTED i think that's where you kind of figure, out all,
2:18:47
Speaker 7: right can they do know their limitations one and? Two
2:18:52
Speaker 7: do they have answers forward on? Tape do they show
2:18:55
Speaker 7: the ability to get around?
2:18:56
Speaker 9: That you?
2:18:57
Speaker 7: KNOW i think With cash is how SPECIFICALLY i think
2:19:00
Speaker 7: the arm length affects him a little bit in the
2:19:02
Speaker 7: way that he rushes the. Passer like he's extremely, athletic you,
2:19:05
Speaker 7: know very bendy around the, edge you, know can really
2:19:08
Speaker 7: slip off into. Tackles but he does that specifically because
2:19:11
Speaker 7: he doesn't have the arm length.
2:19:13
Speaker 2: Advantage but the guy Like, fano you, know.
2:19:15
Speaker 7: He shows the ability to replace his, hands he shows
2:19:18
Speaker 7: the ability to be a defender to the spot. Consistently you,
2:19:21
Speaker 7: know he knocks hands. Off he's pretty active hand. Fighter
2:19:24
Speaker 7: SO i, think you, know in those two specific, situations
2:19:28
Speaker 7: they have answers or they don't have answers in terms
2:19:30
Speaker 7: of dealing with arm length and. Whatnot SO i think
2:19:33
Speaker 7: you go into it and figure, out all, right you,
2:19:36
Speaker 7: know you, know the arm length, thing it's going to
2:19:38
Speaker 7: be a big.
2:19:38
Speaker 2: Thing you.
2:19:39
Speaker 7: Know Ruben bain is a great example too of it doesn't.
2:19:42
Speaker 7: Matter you, know he's so, powerful he's so active with his.
2:19:45
Speaker 7: Hands he's so explosive that you, know it's hard for
2:19:48
Speaker 7: teams to get his hands on. Them AND i think
2:19:50
Speaker 7: for a guy his, size he's able to get into
2:19:54
Speaker 7: the chests consistently of offensive, linemen which allows him to
2:19:57
Speaker 7: get around the arm link questions and and whatnot that
2:20:01
Speaker 7: regards HIS nfl. Projection SO i think it really is
2:20:04
Speaker 7: a case by case scenario and you have to really figure,
2:20:08
Speaker 7: out all, right if they do have arm lengths or
2:20:10
Speaker 7: do have these, limitations so to. Speak THE nfl team
2:20:14
Speaker 7: c do they have the answers for it right? Now
2:20:17
Speaker 7: because it's only going to get hard at THE nfl.
2:20:19
Speaker 7: Level all, Right.
2:20:19
Speaker 3: Let's do some quick hitters now BECAUSE i don't want
2:20:21
Speaker 3: to take up too much of your time on This.
2:20:22
Speaker 3: Friday let's hit some, Guys utah guys and local. Guys
2:20:25
Speaker 3: Lomu Caleb lomu projected to be by most people the
2:20:29
Speaker 3: first round tackle towards the end of the first. Round
2:20:32
Speaker 3: do you still see him?
2:20:33
Speaker 2: There, yep.
2:20:34
Speaker 7: YEP i have him right in the. TWENTY i think
2:20:37
Speaker 7: he's like my twenty first rated player in this. CLASS
2:20:40
Speaker 7: i love the upside AND i think THE nfl will
2:20:42
Speaker 7: love the outside to the, athleticism ability to mirror pass.
2:20:46
Speaker 7: RUSHERS i think he just has to get stronger and
2:20:49
Speaker 7: continue to build out his run game. Profile BUT i
2:20:52
Speaker 7: expect him to go towards the end of the first.
2:20:53
Speaker 3: Round guy who comes from a very athletic family and
2:20:56
Speaker 3: AN nfl, family Land Er, barton outstanding Linebacker. Utah where
2:21:00
Speaker 3: do you See Lander? Barton?
2:21:02
Speaker 7: YEAH i see him kind of in That day three,
2:21:04
Speaker 7: area like Early day, three, fourth fifth round is kind
2:21:07
Speaker 7: of Where i'm projecting him right. NOW i think you
2:21:10
Speaker 7: see the coverage, ability you see the ability to go.
2:21:13
Speaker 7: Sideline the SIDELINE i do think as less and, wise
2:21:16
Speaker 7: there's some limitations, there but in terms of game on
2:21:20
Speaker 7: AN nfl roster and getting, DRAFTED i expecting to get
2:21:22
Speaker 7: drafted in that fourth fifth round range and you, know
2:21:25
Speaker 7: kind of be a death piece in the linebacker.
2:21:27
Speaker 3: Room didn't have a huge year of, production a career of,
2:21:30
Speaker 3: production but had a huge senior. Year Dallan bentley at tight.
2:21:33
Speaker 2: End Dallen bentley is really.
2:21:35
Speaker 7: INTERESTING i saw him down at The Shrine East West
2:21:38
Speaker 7: Shrine bowl earlier in the draft cycle and he was
2:21:41
Speaker 7: one of the best tight ends. There SO i think
2:21:43
Speaker 7: again he's like a fourth fifth round. Pick he's only
2:21:45
Speaker 7: been playing tight, end you, know pretty limited amount of
2:21:49
Speaker 7: years because he didn't play in high school until his
2:21:52
Speaker 7: senior year and it was pretty much mar by. Injury
2:21:55
Speaker 7: went the jugo route and played last couple of years
2:21:57
Speaker 7: At utah and that's where he really started to shine
2:22:00
Speaker 7: a little. Bit BUT i think his best football is
2:22:02
Speaker 7: ahead of.
2:22:02
Speaker 3: Him how About Jack, kelly THE byu.
2:22:04
Speaker 7: Linebacker kelly is really interesting and really good blitzing, linebacker really.
2:22:08
Speaker 7: PHYSICAL i love what he does working downhill, AGAIN i
2:22:13
Speaker 7: think he's kind of That day three type of, linebacker
2:22:15
Speaker 7: BUT i think he's a guy that outplays this draft
2:22:17
Speaker 7: slot AND i think he has a starter level trace
2:22:20
Speaker 7: at THE.
2:22:20
Speaker 3: Nfl Chase roberts gonna get drafted the big wide receiver
2:22:22
Speaker 3: out of B.
2:22:23
Speaker 7: YU i think he's going to be right on the,
2:22:25
Speaker 7: edge like sixth seventh, round maybe A, udsa but he's
2:22:30
Speaker 7: had a really productive college. Career you. KNOW i think
2:22:32
Speaker 7: he can play some inside out, ability some, slots some outside,
2:22:35
Speaker 7: receiver AND i think he's just all around. Receiver so
2:22:39
Speaker 7: if he does get, DRAFTED i think he'll be late
2:22:41
Speaker 7: late in the, draft like six seven.
2:22:43
Speaker 3: Round, devin tell everybody where they can find your draft.
2:22:45
Speaker 7: Stuff, yeah you'll find me At real D Underscore jackson ON.
2:22:49
Speaker 7: X you can find all of my work at The
2:22:50
Speaker 7: inquirer dot. Com and right now going through some position, previews,
2:22:55
Speaker 7: today tight ends went. UP i think yesterday was, cornerbacks
2:22:58
Speaker 7: and then next week we get into edge rushers and,
2:23:01
Speaker 7: linebackers AND i believe receivers as. Well So i'm excited about.
2:23:06
Speaker 7: That And i'll be on site for the draft as
2:23:08
Speaker 7: well On, pittsburgh So i'm looking forward to meeting.
2:23:10
Speaker 3: There, well you have. Fun thank you again for doing.
2:23:12
Speaker 3: This it's great to catch.
2:23:13
Speaker 7: Up, yeah great to catch. Up thank you so.
2:23:16
Speaker 5: Much thank.
2:23:16
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2:23:17
Speaker 3: Devin Devin jackson with us At REAL D Jacks REAL
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Speaker 3: masters for. YOU i know you're a big golf. Fan
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Speaker 11: Today but read on The, masters, WELL i MEAN i
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Speaker 11: Thought rory might just run away with it because he
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Speaker 11: champions in the top. Ten Brooks kopka with a good
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Speaker 11: Patrick reid won The masters in twenty, eighteen And Justin
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Speaker 11: rose just doesn't age, MAN i, Mean and we'll see
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Speaker 11: what happens the rest of the.
2:28:31
Speaker 3: Day, yesterday the afternoon conditions were.
2:28:33
Speaker 11: Tougher so the fact That rose gets in the clubhouse
2:28:36
Speaker 11: at five, under there's a chance he's in the final
2:28:38
Speaker 11: group BECAUSE i don't know that these guys at the
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Speaker 11: top of the board are going to be able to
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Speaker 11: keep it going in the.
2:28:41
Speaker 3: Afternoon so let me ask you the QUESTION i was
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Speaker 3: day question of the Day. Today it's Not Power Pole?
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Speaker 3: IF i get to do A tuesday show For Sean
2:28:53
Speaker 3: we're bringing Back Powerpole. Tuesday most important newcomer For utah?
2:28:57
Speaker 3: Football you think this? Year that's a good. QUESTION a
2:29:01
Speaker 3: lot of fans with the same. Direction you might go
2:29:03
Speaker 3: that direction and it might not be the wrong, answer
2:29:05
Speaker 3: but there's a number of guys that could play pretty
2:29:07
Speaker 3: key roles this.
2:29:07
Speaker 11: Year, Well i've been it's Probably Kelvin, obot to be
2:29:10
Speaker 11: honest with, you AND i heard your interview coming in
2:29:13
Speaker 11: About spencer And, caleb LIKE i, know And Jason beck
2:29:16
Speaker 11: deserved a lot of credit for last, year and so
2:29:18
Speaker 11: Did devin and so Did. Waishan it was a unit
2:29:22
Speaker 11: that was able to operate at a very high. Level
2:29:24
Speaker 11: but in my, opinion there was no more important part
2:29:26
Speaker 11: of that unit than those five up.
2:29:28
Speaker 3: Front, yep and they're all.
2:29:30
Speaker 11: Gone so you, know When morgan had us up to
2:29:33
Speaker 11: the building and you big time us for, lunch you
2:29:35
Speaker 11: wouldn't come hang out with the media. SCHLUBS i sat
2:29:38
Speaker 11: next To Jordan, Gross, yeah and Loved. Jordan it's hard
2:29:42
Speaker 11: not to Love, jordan you. Know Doctor hill called him
2:29:45
Speaker 11: his favorite athlete that he ever worked with when he
2:29:47
Speaker 11: was up. THERE i, Mean Jordan gross was An All
2:29:49
Speaker 11: american bill on a losing football, team, right and when
2:29:53
Speaker 11: you talk to, him you can see why people believe
2:29:55
Speaker 11: he's going to be a, great great head. Coach but
2:29:57
Speaker 11: we talk a lot about, like, Well morgan's got pressure
2:29:59
Speaker 11: be because it's win. In jordan's stepping in for one
2:30:04
Speaker 11: of the best offensive line coaching in the, country you
2:30:06
Speaker 11: know WHAT i. Mean and so you got to replace
2:30:07
Speaker 11: all five of those big boys up. FRONT i haven't Seen.
2:30:10
Speaker 11: KELVIN i know he's like the highest ranked recruit The
2:30:13
Speaker 11: utah football has ever, signed and of Course jordan coached.
2:30:16
Speaker 11: Him you'd go a bunch of different, directions but with
2:30:19
Speaker 11: how paramount it's going to be to try to replicate
2:30:21
Speaker 11: some of the production of that old, LINE i Think.
2:30:23
Speaker 3: I'll Go Kelvin. Obot, YEAH i think that's a good.
2:30:25
Speaker 3: CHOICE i think there's a number of guys on that
2:30:26
Speaker 3: offensive line that could be new. Faces AND i think
2:30:29
Speaker 3: the popular pick today among the listeners Was Braiden, pagan
2:30:32
Speaker 3: the wide. Receiver here's a lot of good stuff about
2:30:34
Speaker 3: him right, again played in that system With kevin. MCGIBN
2:30:36
Speaker 3: i Had Bryson barnes on in the first that he
2:30:39
Speaker 3: was great farmer and he's Like kevin's Gonna he called
2:30:43
Speaker 3: him mcmgkg McGee something nick, love AND i don't know
2:30:48
Speaker 3: what he was calling. Him he SAID i should call Him.
2:30:49
Speaker 3: MAVERICK i don't know IF i will or, not but
2:30:51
Speaker 3: he said he's going to really do some nice. Things
2:30:53
Speaker 3: but his favorite target Was Braiden pagan last year and he,
2:30:56
Speaker 3: Said braiden somebody That utah hasn't really. Had he's a
2:31:00
Speaker 3: big guy six' four who can also get behind. The, defense,
2:31:03
Speaker 3: So well mohammad's only the most popular name in. The
2:31:05
Speaker 3: world why don't you read a.
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Speaker 11: Book bill let's just Quote super bad for the rest of, the,
2:31:09
Speaker 11: show mcklevin, You Went, Mick, lovin well my second Choice.
2:31:13
Speaker 11: Was mohammed why would your second Choice? Be, mohammed see
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Speaker 11: this is what you do when you put a movie
2:31:19
Speaker 11: quote in. My, HEAD now, I mean i know we
2:31:20
Speaker 11: WERE talking u. Tough football Now now i'm just Thinking.
2:31:23
Speaker 3: Super bad here. We go so a lot of people
2:31:24
Speaker 3: Went with pagan and that that might be a good.
2:31:27
Speaker 3: Choice too there's others across. The board, but again nothing
2:31:30
Speaker 3: happens in. Spring football you don't win. A job what
2:31:33
Speaker 3: you do is you kind of get an idea and
2:31:35
Speaker 3: then you get into fall camp and that's when everybody wins.
2:31:37
Speaker 3: Their job so for sure got coming up on.
2:31:40
Speaker 11: The, show well tonight is The super bowl Of. Tanking
2:31:44
Speaker 11: Memphis The memphis grizzlies are in town and twelve players.
2:31:50
Speaker 11: ARE out i don't know who they're going. To Play
2:31:53
Speaker 11: the jazz are sitting. Eight Players if memphis, wins tonight
2:31:58
Speaker 11: it docks their chance for a top four pick by.
2:32:00
Speaker 11: Seven percent If the jazz, win tonight it docks their
2:32:04
Speaker 11: chance of a top four pick by. Ten, percent look
2:32:08
Speaker 11: it's a horrible dynamic wow for. Pro basketball, But honestly
2:32:13
Speaker 11: i'm going to the game Tonight because i'm fascinated to
2:32:16
Speaker 11: see how they. DO this i Might text will before
2:32:19
Speaker 11: the game, and, say HEY can i get? Twelve minutes
2:32:21
Speaker 11: he might, Play me they might sign.
2:32:23
Speaker 3: Me TONIGHT just i have.
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Speaker 11: No idea IT'S A g league, showcase tonight even they're
2:32:27
Speaker 11: GONNA Sit g. LEAGUE guys i, mean this, this, is like,
2:32:33
Speaker 11: you know for how atrocious this is for, the product
2:32:36
Speaker 11: tonight is actually. Somewhat fascinating so we're gonna talk a
2:32:41
Speaker 11: little bit. About this We Got howard Beck on camaraddie's
2:32:44
Speaker 11: in the studio for, an hour so we'll do a
2:32:46
Speaker 11: ton of college football, with him and, then yeah we'll
2:32:48
Speaker 11: Talk some Masters With paul pugmyer AND Some nfl Draft With.
2:32:51
Speaker 3: Kayln jones so we'll kind of jump around all over.
2:32:53
Speaker 3: The Place Will jaron jackson be torn tonight in? HIS
2:32:55
Speaker 3: loyalties i don't.
2:32:57
Speaker 11: Think SO but i just continue to offer thoughts and
2:33:00
Speaker 11: prayers to use if nurkics for his deviated septum that
2:33:02
Speaker 11: he had to have.
2:33:03
Speaker 3: Operated on i'm just hoping our guy. Can recover watch
2:33:06
Speaker 3: those guys THEY all i was At a jazz game
2:33:08
Speaker 3: a week ago with a friend of mine and they
2:33:10
Speaker 3: are all sitting in their, street clothes doing anything but
2:33:14
Speaker 3: paying attention to what's going on on.
2:33:15
Speaker 2: The.
2:33:15
Speaker 3: Floor, yeah no it's it's like They're almost some of
2:33:18
Speaker 3: them are almost like walking out of the floor participating
2:33:20
Speaker 3: in like the half court shot and the putt for
2:33:22
Speaker 3: money and all. That stuff they're just. Out there it's
2:33:24
Speaker 3: an atrocious look and.
2:33:26
Speaker 11: HAS been i do think this is the last year
2:33:28
Speaker 11: we're going to see it, like this but it's not
2:33:30
Speaker 11: the last year we're going to see it because this
2:33:32
Speaker 11: is the incentive structure of, pro basketball and until they,
2:33:35
Speaker 11: change it we're going to see something. Like it and
2:33:37
Speaker 11: we have seen something like it for like. Thirty years
2:33:39
Speaker 11: but this is a ten teams in this league have
2:33:42
Speaker 11: been unseerious for. Two months that's.
2:33:45
Speaker 3: NEXT level, i, wish somehow some way we could hold
2:33:49
Speaker 3: some sort of a seance And Contact. David stern, oh
2:33:52
Speaker 3: yeah just how you scold me while you have them on, the.
2:33:56
Speaker 11: SHOPPEN sir i asked Him if jordan retired or if
2:34:01
Speaker 11: he encouraged him to step aside because of, gambling issues
2:34:05
Speaker 11: and He's like spencer, and like, all right you.
2:34:08
Speaker 3: In somewhere in the, Great Beyond david stern is just
2:34:12
Speaker 3: shaking his head and rolling.
2:34:14
Speaker 2: His.
2:34:14
Speaker 11: Eyes Yeah And adam silver came up as his, deputy
2:34:16
Speaker 11: commissioner so you would think that he would have a
2:34:19
Speaker 11: little bit of a. Different Approach But adam silver's. Approaches
2:34:22
Speaker 11: this our business, is Good so i'm gonna DO whatever
2:34:24
Speaker 11: i can to make the. Players happy what does your
2:34:26
Speaker 11: dad think?
2:34:27
Speaker 3: Of this because your dad IS an nba guy through,
2:34:29
Speaker 3: and through and he's an OLD school, nba guy but
2:34:31
Speaker 3: he was part of growing this game to where it.
2:34:33
Speaker 3: Is today what does when he sees stuff like this
2:34:37
Speaker 3: and what's? Been happening what does he?
2:34:39
Speaker 11: Hates it and to the point NOW where i don't
2:34:43
Speaker 11: know how much he. Watches anymore, YOU know i think
2:34:45
Speaker 11: he'll watch. The playoffs, you know loves it watching more
2:34:48
Speaker 11: than my Dad is my mom. These days she had knee,
2:34:50
Speaker 11: replacement surgery so EVERY time i, Call her, i'm like
2:34:53
Speaker 11: what do You think i'm watching? A game she LOVED the,
2:34:55
Speaker 11: ncaa tournament, but no my old man, hates IT and i, would,
2:34:59
Speaker 11: say hey anyone who has been around the league longer
2:35:03
Speaker 11: than five or six years understands that at times stuff like.
2:35:06
Speaker 11: THIS happens, i Mean Remember david robinson played eight games
2:35:09
Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety seven because there was a senior At
2:35:11
Speaker 11: wake Forest And.
2:35:12
Speaker 3: Tim duncan so this has.
2:35:14
Speaker 11: Happened before but if you have a third of your
2:35:16
Speaker 11: league un serious, about competing this is like next level
2:35:19
Speaker 11: stupid and it's beyond time they do something.
2:35:21
Speaker 3: ABOUT it i thought you were going to say there
2:35:22
Speaker 3: was a Senior Named randolph childress that everybody was, angling.
2:35:25
Speaker 11: For also a very, good Player, not Tim Not. Tim, Duncan,
2:35:28
Speaker 11: though hey i'll see you have a. Good show i'll
2:35:30
Speaker 11: see you. Next week great to, see, you dude and
2:35:31
Speaker 11: again great to hear back.
2:35:33
Speaker 3: On Air Sorry spence jackets in the drive coming up
2:35:36
Speaker 3: with some of, Our Favorites, Howard beck Chris cam Ronnie.
2:35:38
Speaker 3: And moore thank You To james peterson who produced. It
2:35:41
Speaker 3: today they get a shan O'Connell for letting me sit
2:35:43
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2:36:02
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