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  Speaker 1: Gives the report good evening. I'm Danikidi Giorgio filling in
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  Speaker 1: on the show tonight coming up. The climate wars have
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  Speaker 1: well and truly begun. As Peter Dutton lays his cards
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  Speaker 1: on the table unveiling the coalition's nuclear energy plan, Labor
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  Speaker 1: splashes hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on the study
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  Speaker 1: of indigenous whales song lines for one of its green projects,
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  Speaker 1: and another day another Biden bumble as concerns grow around
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  Speaker 1: the US president's mental fitness. But first, millions of US
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  Speaker 1: woke up to freezing temperatures this morning. Melbourne's minimum was
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  Speaker 1: one point six degrees celsius. In Sydney it was seven,
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  Speaker 1: and the freezing temps also hit Tasmania and the ac
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  Speaker 1: It is a cold winter's day, and in these cold months,
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  Speaker 1: we of course need heating, We need gas. We need
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  Speaker 1: reliable power resources, and most of our energy relies on
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  Speaker 1: traditional resources, as coal and gas account for around seventy
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  Speaker 1: percent of electricity generation. Now to think that Labour wants
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  Speaker 1: to eliminate those sources in just a few years, despite
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  Speaker 1: empowering seventy percent of our electricity generation, is enough on
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  Speaker 1: cold days like this to give you frostbite. And so
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  Speaker 1: today the Coalition finally drew a line in the sand,
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  Speaker 1: announcing its long awaited nuclear energy policy, which it will
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  Speaker 1: take to the next federal election. Australians now have a
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  Speaker 1: decision to make. Do you want nuclear or do you
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  Speaker 1: accept the status quo?
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  Speaker 2: Simple?
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  Speaker 1: It is a simple prospect being put to us voters.
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  Speaker 3: If we want to set our country up for the future,
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  Speaker 3: if we're going to bring those electricity prices down, if
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  Speaker 3: we want to make a stable economy, and if we
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  Speaker 3: want to grow that economy, and if we want to
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  Speaker 3: grow jobs for generations to come, our country must seize
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  Speaker 3: this opportunity now.
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  Speaker 1: Now the opposition leader has boldly committed to seven nuclear
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  Speaker 1: power plants from zero. And this is not a small
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  Speaker 1: target opposition which has pledged to achieve net zero by
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifty with a mix of gas renewables but ultimately nuclear.
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  Speaker 1: The potential sites are Queensland's Collide and to Wrong power stations,
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales Old Ladell Power Station and Mount Piper,
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  Speaker 1: Victoria's Latrobe Valley, WA's Collie Power Station and South Australia's
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  Speaker 1: Northern Power Station. Now, these are communities with a long
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  Speaker 1: standing industrial history and of course an existing workforce, so
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  Speaker 1: it does make sense to mark these locations. As the
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  Speaker 1: Shadow Energy Minister points out.
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  Speaker 4: One of the benefits of zero missions nuclear powers lances
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  Speaker 4: you can leverage existing infrastructure. So instead of what Labour wants,
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  Speaker 4: nearly a one hundred percent system based on renewables predominantly
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  Speaker 4: wind and solent, not done anywhere in the world, by
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  Speaker 4: the way, they wanted in Australia, and that's why we're
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  Speaker 4: looking at up to twenty eight thousand kilometers of new
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  Speaker 4: transmission lines. Of course, when you bring nuclear into the mix,
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  Speaker 4: because it has such density, it uses up such little land.
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  Speaker 1: Make no mistake, this is a big political gamble one
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  Speaker 1: the coalition thinks it can win and Darton is so
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  Speaker 1: confident he believes he can build two reactors by twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty seven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very happy for the election to be a referendum
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  Speaker 3: on energy, on nuclear, on power prices, on lights going out,
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  Speaker 3: on who has a sustainable pathway for our country going forward.
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  Speaker 1: It really does set up an energy showdown and I
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  Speaker 1: thought these comments by the South Burnet Regional Council Mayor
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  Speaker 1: Kathy Duff on Sky News were very telling. Now this
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  Speaker 1: is one of the councils whose area has been chosen
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  Speaker 1: in Queensland as a site of a nuclear reactor.
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  Speaker 5: I'm welcome the fact that we are being considered for
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  Speaker 5: nuclear because we're very disappointed with the role out of renewables.
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  Speaker 5: We're upset about the way our landscape is going to
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  Speaker 5: look covered in wind and solar. It's dividing our communities
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  Speaker 5: that we're definitely looking for alternatives and nuclear is one
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  Speaker 5: that we wanted to have a look at and for
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  Speaker 5: our community as a viable option.
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  Speaker 1: So on the other end, labor, as you've heard, is
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  Speaker 1: tearing up the landscape on a platform of achieving climate
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  Speaker 1: targets on renewables only, something no other country in the
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  Speaker 1: world has been able to achieve. It is a plan
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  Speaker 1: running on a whim and a prayer. All the warnings
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  Speaker 1: are there. Our transition to renewables is happening. Back to front,
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  Speaker 1: the Energy Market Operator is warning of a summer of
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  Speaker 1: blackouts due to delays in transmission lines and renewable projects.
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  Speaker 1: Amo said this has resulted in the increased risk of
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  Speaker 1: power shortages in Victoria and New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: For the next four summers.
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  Speaker 1: Would you believe and in South Australia for the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven summer. It also sees large users
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  Speaker 1: may need to switch off plants to avoid blackouts. I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: the path we are on is complete madness. In February,
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  Speaker 1: Victoria's loy Yang went offline after a freak storm, leaving
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  Speaker 1: more than five hundred and thirty thousand without power, and
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  Speaker 1: in New South Wales, residents were told by the Labor
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  Speaker 1: State government to turn off air conditioning and delay using
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  Speaker 1: appliances in the middle of a heat wave because the
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  Speaker 1: energy grid wasn't coping. Is this a peep into the
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  Speaker 1: future on the renewable only magic carpet ride heat stroke
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  Speaker 1: versus frostbit.
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  Speaker 2: Take your pick.
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Aura and Coal fire station has had its
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  Speaker 1: life extended.
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  Speaker 2: Say no more yet, Chris Bowen will tell.
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  Speaker 6: You to stick with the plan to get to eighty
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  Speaker 6: two percent renewables. To stick with the plan for the
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  Speaker 6: cheapest form of energy, which is renewables. To stick with
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  Speaker 6: the plan which is seen renewable energy up by twenty
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  Speaker 6: five percent since we came to office.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a plan that has gone so well for you,
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  Speaker 1: old mate. When electricity prices have risen by double digit
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  Speaker 1: rates across the past two years, and that was without
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  Speaker 1: that two hundred and seventy five dollars in energy relief.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, so why not let us voters decide whether
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  Speaker 1: we do want to stick to your plan.
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't stop there.
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  Speaker 7: Mister Dutton wants to be cut off from the rest
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  Speaker 7: of the world. Mister Dutton's isolated here. He's isolated from
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  Speaker 7: his state and territory parties. He's isolated from the business community,
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  Speaker 7: he's isolated from the science community, he's isolated from sensible policy.
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  Speaker 7: Mister Dutton's out on his own.
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  Speaker 1: So he's Bowen seriously saying he would be isolated from
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the world when more than third countries
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  Speaker 1: have nuclear power plants.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that the collective intellectual might of Chris
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  Speaker 3: Bowen and Anthony Elbanezi outweighs that of nineteen of the
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  Speaker 3: top twenty economies in the world their leaders?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, is that a serious proposition? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Now, look watch out, because labor will focus on big,
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  Speaker 1: bad nuclear scare campaigns. In fact, we've been given an
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  Speaker 1: exclusive look at just one of those they're going to
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  Speaker 1: roll out.
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  Speaker 9: All right, we dite, Wait a minute, one two.
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  Speaker 2: Read it rights itself, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Labor is drumming up a scare campaign despite acquiring nuclear
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  Speaker 1: submarines for the Navy.
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  Speaker 2: So as the.
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  Speaker 1: Winter bites, can we really rely on renewables only for
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  Speaker 1: years to come? For generations to come, my generation, future generations,
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  Speaker 1: we need cheap, reliable energy and.
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  Speaker 2: It cannot be denied.
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  Speaker 1: There is of course a fight ahead for the opposition,
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  Speaker 1: but if we don't make that change and look at
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  Speaker 1: proven alternatives like nuclear, we will forever risk being plunged
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  Speaker 1: into Labour's darkness on these cold winter nights. Joining me
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  Speaker 1: now is National MP and former Resources Minister Keith Pitt. Keith,
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  Speaker 1: great to see you, Thanks for joining us. Look, the
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  Speaker 1: coalition has drawn a line in the sand on this
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  Speaker 1: energy policy, of course ahead of the next election.
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  Speaker 2: You yet to provide any cost things though.
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  Speaker 1: Are you confident enough in the policy even if you
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  Speaker 1: can't put a figure on it yet?
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  Speaker 10: Danika, it's great to be with you, and I heard
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  Speaker 10: your intro. Chris Baron is isolated from reality. There's been
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  Speaker 10: multiple units built in both the UIA.
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  Speaker 8: And South Korea.
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  Speaker 10: It's very clear they cost from memory, it was about
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  Speaker 10: twenty two billion US for five gigawatts in South Korea.
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  Speaker 8: You only have to look at an.
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  Speaker 10: Actual build Chris Barn's own words, twenty five percent increase
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  Speaker 10: in intermittent wind and solar, and everyone's power bills have
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  Speaker 10: gone up. Imagine what will be like if he actually
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  Speaker 10: achieved what his target is, which is close to eighty
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  Speaker 10: percent or more. It would be an absolute disaster. So
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  Speaker 10: the differential between US and the Labor Party is very
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  Speaker 10: very clear. We have a strategy to implement nuclear in
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  Speaker 10: this country, and never forget that it's already underway. The
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  Speaker 10: Orcut Agreement means that we are already building a nuclear
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  Speaker 10: actor for a submarine. But in Britain we have to
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  Speaker 10: deal with high level radioactive waste, We have to deal
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  Speaker 10: with all of the other issues in building that technical
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  Speaker 10: capacity in this country.
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  Speaker 8: And it started the day that the Orchest Agreement was signed.
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  Speaker 1: Now look, the Labor premiers have come out today. They're
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  Speaker 1: saying a flat no to nuclear, including the L ANDP
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  Speaker 1: in your home state.
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  Speaker 11: I would support nuclear power unless it makes electricity more expensive,
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  Speaker 11: and all the evidence says that it will make electricity
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  Speaker 11: a lot more expensive.
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  Speaker 8: We're not supporting nuclear power.
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  Speaker 11: Nuclear energy is toxic, it's risky, it's more.
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  Speaker 10: Expensive recipe for disaster for the energy market in Western Australia.
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  Speaker 7: It makes no sense for Australia.
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  Speaker 10: It certainly makes no sense for Western Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Keith, unsurprising these are comments made by labor governments.
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  Speaker 1: But do you think you've got a fight coming up
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  Speaker 1: with the States.
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  Speaker 10: Well, our job is federal MPs and the opposition is
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  Speaker 10: to put forward propositions that are in the national interest
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  Speaker 10: and that is exactly what Peter Dunton has done.
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  Speaker 8: Now. Clearly, if the only.
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  Speaker 10: Two selection criteria were cost and reliability, we'd build more
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  Speaker 10: culified power stations.
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  Speaker 8: That's the reality.
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  Speaker 10: But if you want zero missions and reliability and affordability,
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  Speaker 10: nuclear is the only game in town. That's why it's
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  Speaker 10: been rallied even further in other countries around the world.
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  Speaker 10: We should absolutely have a conversation with the Australian people
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  Speaker 10: about this. We've put forward seven locations where we'll have
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  Speaker 10: consultation and discussions with local communities, will get their views
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  Speaker 10: on what they think. Clearly there'll be an education piece
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  Speaker 10: to complete, but it is the.
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  Speaker 8: Only viable option.
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  Speaker 10: The idea that you can cover millions of hectares of
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  Speaker 10: this country with solar panels, thousands of wind turbines which
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  Speaker 10: are intermittent and expected to work, is.
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  Speaker 8: A complete fallacy.
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  Speaker 10: No Australian should have to look out the window to
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  Speaker 10: see if they can turn the stove.
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  Speaker 1: No, well that's sitting. As I said in my datorial,
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  Speaker 1: it's these cold winter nights where really we have to
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  Speaker 1: ask the question, can we really rely on renewables only
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  Speaker 1: moving to the future. It just seems like an absurd proposition.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you what do you make of
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  Speaker 1: Chris Bowen's comments today He said that you are not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to get a nuclear reactor up
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  Speaker 1: by twenty thirty seven.
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  Speaker 8: Well, that's been proven to be incorrect.
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  Speaker 10: As I said, look at the South Korean build, look
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  Speaker 10: at the UAE build. It's very clear how long it
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  Speaker 10: takes of those sizes. And that's the APR fourteen hundred
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  Speaker 10: in South Korea.
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  Speaker 8: And this is just reality.
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  Speaker 10: And what we know is that mister barn is already
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  Speaker 10: missing his own targets, the targets that he's set. We
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  Speaker 10: know that it's driving the price up. We know they
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  Speaker 10: don't have the twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission that
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  Speaker 10: mister barn is deemed necessary. And with our plan for
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  Speaker 10: nuclear at cul fired power station sites, we don't need
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  Speaker 10: all of that. You've already got the easements, you've got connections,
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  Speaker 10: you've got a workforce that's readily available. And the reality
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  Speaker 10: is the only difference between nuclear and culfide power is
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  Speaker 10: how you produce steam, the energy source that produces steam.
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  Speaker 10: And I just want to make one more point around
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  Speaker 10: waste Danica.
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  Speaker 8: If you look at.
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  Speaker 10: The fleet in America, so the nuclear fleet in America,
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  Speaker 10: they provide electricity for around seventy million homes. They are
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  Speaker 10: the old style reactors, they are old technology, and the
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  Speaker 10: amount of waste that they produce is about half.
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  Speaker 8: An Olympic swimming pool a year.
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  Speaker 10: We will see more than forty million ton of wind
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  Speaker 10: turbine blades alone by twenty fifty and that's without solo.
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  Speaker 10: That's assuming that underheaded by a cyclone or a bush
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  Speaker 10: fire or any other sort of storm that takes them out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Labour are going to come out with a
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  Speaker 1: big scare campaign, no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned in my edatorial there, it's like a.
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  Speaker 1: Three eyed fish popping out of the water.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Pull out all the stops here. How are you going
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  Speaker 1: to sell this to the public.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris Barton's going to rely on the Simpsons. We
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  Speaker 10: will rely on facts on engineering and economics. That's pretty straightforward.
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  Speaker 10: We'll be asking the Australian people to have that conversation
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  Speaker 10: with us because this is about Australia's future and how
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  Speaker 10: strong we are into the future. And we know that
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  Speaker 10: nuclear energy makes for a strong country. It makes for
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  Speaker 10: an economic boon, particularly in those regions where they'll be located,
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  Speaker 10: and our country needs to be stronger and not weaker.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of the locations.
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  Speaker 1: The Deputy Nationals Leader Paren Davey told Sky News today
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  Speaker 1: that should a community where a proposed site will go
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  Speaker 1: don't like the idea, disagree with it and they won't
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  Speaker 1: go ahead with it in that location, is that correct?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I'm not in the shadow cabinet.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know what that policy proposal will be, but
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  Speaker 10: what I do now is the former Minister for Resources
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  Speaker 10: we worked our way through a potential low level radioactive
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  Speaker 10: waste facility for storage in kimber and South Australia. We
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  Speaker 10: asked for volunteer sites, started with twenty six over a
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  Speaker 10: period of years that was narrowed down to three, with
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  Speaker 10: a final decision for one where the community had more
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  Speaker 10: than sixty percent support. Now that was enough to change
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  Speaker 10: the marriage laws in this country. Sixty percent plus support.
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  Speaker 10: If the community supports it, let's build it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be an interesting time between now
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  Speaker 1: and the next election as you sell this plan.
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  Speaker 2: Keith Pitt, always good to speak with you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us this evening, and
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: joining me now for our Wednesday panel is former New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales Treasurer Michael Costa and GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. I do want
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  Speaker 1: to begin with the nuclear announcement. Well, it feels as
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  Speaker 1: though a clear line in the sand has been drawn
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  Speaker 1: today by the coalition. Finally, is this a referendum on
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  Speaker 1: nuclear in your view?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think that Peter Dunton should make it a
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  Speaker 12: referendum mine nuclear. Look, I think this is, and I
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  Speaker 12: said this last week, is strategically very clever by the opposition.
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  Speaker 12: At least now we have a debate energy versus cost
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  Speaker 12: of living, and really you can't in the current climate
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  Speaker 12: separate the two. One of the key factors for most
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  Speaker 12: people is the cost of living on energy. And I
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  Speaker 12: might make the point that you know, Chris Bone is
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  Speaker 12: probably the worst salesman ever to prosecute the case against
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  Speaker 12: nuclear energy, and most of what he just said in
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  Speaker 12: that leading was just absolute nonsense. It keeps confusing energy
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  Speaker 12: and power. I mean, you know, it's true that solar
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  Speaker 12: energy is cheap at a particular point in the day,
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  Speaker 12: but it doesn't provide power twenty four to seven. And
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  Speaker 12: that's the whole argument here. If you include the system
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  Speaker 12: costs in terms of the calculations, nuclear ends up being
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  Speaker 12: as cost effective and more reliable than any of these
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  Speaker 12: renewable policies. And the problem for the government is that
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  Speaker 12: energy costs are going up and it's going to be
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  Speaker 12: a hard argument for them to argue that somehow they're
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  Speaker 12: producing cheap power and the alternatives costly. So I think
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  Speaker 12: it's a really good move for strategic move for Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 12: I also think that he's playing the medium term game.
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  Speaker 12: I don't think he's going to win the next election,
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  Speaker 12: but he certainly positions the coalition with an alternative and
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  Speaker 12: one that I think that young people particularly will find
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  Speaker 12: very very attractive.
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  Speaker 9: Look.
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  Speaker 12: If you don't support nuclear all this nonsense about climate
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  Speaker 12: crisis proves to be just a political slogan.
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  Speaker 9: You know.
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  Speaker 12: Really it's anti capitalism rather than a solution to so
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  Speaker 12: called climate crisis. And I think young people are the
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  Speaker 12: ones that he ought to be focusing on.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it is setting up the next generation and
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  Speaker 1: generations to come better energy in this country. Cameron, you
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  Speaker 1: know the ins and outs of how Labor operate, No
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  Speaker 1: doubt they're going to get those scare campaigns ready. How
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  Speaker 1: do you think they'll tackle this? What sort of a
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  Speaker 1: campaign can we expect from Labor here?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I'd like to start at the stop saying Peter
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  Speaker 13: Dutton basically handed the Albanese government a lesson in leadership
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  Speaker 13: because it's no longer small target. We now have a
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  Speaker 13: real energy policy and a real choice for Australians and
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  Speaker 13: I think the Strain Labour Party better take it seriously
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  Speaker 13: because the smear and fear campaign which will be rolled
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  Speaker 13: out by Paul Ericks and Albo and all of his
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  Speaker 13: other Instagram friends about how bad nuclear is denies the
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  Speaker 13: facts that nuclear is safe and reliable. Safe and reliable,
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  Speaker 13: thirty six countries around the world have nuclear power and
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  Speaker 13: net zero, so net zero by twenty fifty is achievable
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  Speaker 13: either through wind and solar or nuclear. So if you
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  Speaker 13: want net zero by twenty fifty, you've now got a choice.
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  Speaker 13: And I think it's great that Australians have got that
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  Speaker 13: choice because Peter Dutton had the courage to do something
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  Speaker 13: strong and bold with energy policy and propose nuclear in
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  Speaker 13: seven reliable sites that are already connected around Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was a bold proposal, something we haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: from an opposition like this before. Now the Albanezy government
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  Speaker 1: will introduce laws allowing the cfmemeu's manufacturing division to split
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  Speaker 1: from the broader union.
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  Speaker 2: As of course, the boss John Seccar is.
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  Speaker 1: Being accused of waging personal vendettas Michael, we know what
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: type of a character.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: John sector is.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We saw the threats against the AFL last week. What
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: do you think these laws will mean for the union.
• 18:29
  Speaker 12: Well, this is a confirmation of people like myself and
• 18:32
  Speaker 12: others that were around twenty years ago argue against union amalgamations.
• 18:37
  Speaker 12: It's good to see the government's finally realize the error
• 18:39
  Speaker 12: of its ways over two decades too late. However, I
• 18:43
  Speaker 12: don't think they've gone far enough with the CFMAU in Victoria.
• 18:46
  Speaker 12: I think they ought to contemplate deregistering the union and
• 18:48
  Speaker 12: there's President Flord. We had it with a BLF. The
• 18:51
  Speaker 12: behavior here is, you know, it is a behavior that
• 18:55
  Speaker 12: cannot be condained in any form at all, and it
• 18:58
  Speaker 12: needs to be strong resisted by the government. I think
• 19:02
  Speaker 12: Tony Burke needs to come out and threatened de registration
• 19:04
  Speaker 12: of the union, not just disamalgamation, de registration because of
• 19:07
  Speaker 12: their behavior. They're threatening a public servant here. Remember that
• 19:10
  Speaker 12: a guy that was working for a previous government, an
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: elected government.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Cameron, is this a good move in your view?
• 19:20
  Speaker 13: It's a small move. I mean, you know, honestly, it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 13: ten thousand members out of about one hundred and forty
• 19:24
  Speaker 13: thousand members. So it's not big. It's not big. So
• 19:26
  Speaker 13: let's get Tony Burke in perspective here, let's get the
• 19:28
  Speaker 13: ACTU in perspective. And they've known about John Secker for
• 19:31
  Speaker 13: years and they decided to do it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: Look, I think this is all politics and little to
• 19:35
  Speaker 13: do with the trade union movement.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think it's any coincidence that this has
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: happened a week after all the issues of John Setka
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: last week.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: It seems very coincidental.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And now I want to talk about the Chinese visit
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to Australia. The Chinese Premier Lee has been and gone. Cameron,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the Chinese Premier left here though with noble breakthroughs on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the choke hold that they've got on our line industry,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: and his officials bullied and Australian journalists at the same time.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think this visit achieved?
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it showed us what China's really like.
• 20:10
  Speaker 13: I think it shows is what communist China is really like.
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: And thank goodness for Sky News to have the courage
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: to put a journalist up Lu Chung Lay. I mean
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: she did exactly what journalists should do, which is get
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: to the bottoms and get to the fats. And Sky
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: News should be congratulated for that, and Social News Limited
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: for carrying the story over the next couple of days
• 20:25
  Speaker 13: as well. But what a disgrace the Prime Minister after
• 20:28
  Speaker 13: the guy's left. Can Blank's a complaint. It's just so
• 20:30
  Speaker 13: typically weak of Albanese and so contemptuous that you had
• 20:34
  Speaker 13: a couple of embassy thugs in Australia's partment house decide
• 20:38
  Speaker 13: they thought they could do what they do in China
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: here in Australia, and our Prime minister said nothing until
• 20:42
  Speaker 13: half the fact. It's contemptuous for Albanese because they see
• 20:45
  Speaker 13: him not as a handsome boy but as a weak boy.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely spot on now, but clumsy, he said, clumsy and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: then ham fisted very sterner comments from Albanesi there, Michael,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: was this even worth a visit?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: What did they achieve?
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: Well, look, I've always argued that trade with China has
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: to be mutually beneficial. We're not here to receive large
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: s from China. Our goods and services are goods and
• 21:12
  Speaker 12: services that are competitive, and they're efficient, and if people
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: want to buy them, they buy them on their merits.
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: They don't buy it to buy our friendship or our
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: support for their undemocratic political regime. That Chinese leptocracy has
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: shown consistently that it's only willing to trade where it's
• 21:30
  Speaker 12: in their own political interests, not economic interest. Political interest,
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: and we just need to stand up to a model
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: that was pathetic and weaken the government should have made
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: it very clear that they won't tolerate that sort of
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: behavior in Australia.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: No, certainly not now.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Labor Senator Fatima Payman has called on the Albanese government
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to recognize a Palestinian state.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: In an opinion piece for.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Our Jazeera, she said, the world has quote witnessed the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: mass killing and displacement of Palestinians and the devastation and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: destruction of Gaza. Cameron, how would you describe this sort
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of rhetoric?
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: Well, and Fatima has gone far far worse than that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: She's accused Israel genocide, which is just disgusting, disgusting. Israel
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: is defending its democratic right and the people who were slaughtered,
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: raped and murdered by Hermaceterist organization. And yet we have
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: this Labour Center that's still in the caucus. This Labor
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: Center should either resign to be sacked one of those
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: two options. She should not be able to say the
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: things she said about Israel and survive and Albo's Week
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: leadership is the reason why she can get away with
• 22:29
  Speaker 13: saying things like this time and time again in the
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: Senate on Al Jazeera at the campus. Fatima doesn't deserve
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: a place in the Labour Party after what she said about.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Israel, absolutely not.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And we've seen this week leadership time and time again.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: When it comes to matters surrounding the Middle East. Michael,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: she's broken ranks here. Where is the leadership on this?
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: Well, Cameron's right about this. Clearly, Album needs is very
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: very weak on this, and it's actually pathetic. And the
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: fact that she wrote for Al Jazeira, you know, after
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: it was indicated that Al Jazeera journalists were holding hostages
• 23:06
  Speaker 12: is even more disgusting in my view. And the fact
• 23:09
  Speaker 12: of the matter is that this person doesn't belong in
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: the Layer Party. She should be suspended from the carcers immediately,
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: and you know, if the government doesn't do that, it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 12: in a sense condaining this sort of behavior. And the
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: fact that she's writing for obviously the anti Israeli press
• 23:26
  Speaker 12: organizations very much.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the National Disability Insurance Scheme,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: because it's now scrambling to discover the identities of dozens
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: of sex predators, violent offenders and other serious criminals who
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: are receiving financial support that actually allows them to live
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: in the community, but who would pose.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: A safety risk.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Now that's according to a freedom of information report obtained
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: by nine newspapers. Cameron, this look, it's an important scheme
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: for people who genuinely need the help. But how an
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: eject is this stage on top of the other issues
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: that we've seen for years with the NDIS.
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: Well, we know about it because Bill Shorton wrote to
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: the State premiers, who actually the ones who keep the
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: criminal lists. These criminals are in state prisons, in state
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: detention centers, so it's up to the state premiers to
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: actually come up with this list of who the sex
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: offenders are and who the murderers are who are on
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: the NDS. I think that people with disability, the six
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: hundred and fifty thousand people who need the NDIS, don't
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: need headlines like this. I think it's great that Bill
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: Shorton wrote to the state premiers to out these people.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Michael, they should be outed. What do you think absolutely?
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: I've called in the past for a specialist unit from
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: the Australian Faunational Police to investigate these people. There ought
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: to be an independent, empowered unit, a power similar to
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: the New South Wales Crime Commission to really come down
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: hard on this. What we've seen from the Senate process
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: is that internal procedures in the NDIS their own unit
• 24:54
  Speaker 12: cannot handle this. They don't have the resources, they don't
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: have the legal clout and they don't have the expertise.
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: It needs to be a specialist unit within the AFP
• 25:02
  Speaker 12: and they need to follow them. In terms of the states,
• 25:04
  Speaker 12: I mean, look, this cuts both ways. I mean those
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: lists of people on the ndoes to state. State know
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: who's on the nds if they are criminals. So there
• 25:13
  Speaker 12: ought to be cooperation between the policing agencies and the
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: two levels of government to ensure that this thing is
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: resolved very very quickly. They're going to undermine the credibility
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: in the Ies. I think, in fact, they're going very
• 25:25
  Speaker 12: close to that position right now. I think there's a
• 25:28
  Speaker 12: lot of credibility issues with the Indies.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I think you're spot on if it's not already at
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that credibility lack of credibility point at the moment. As
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: has been a real shonky scheme from the start. Michael Costa,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Cameron Milner, good to speak with you, Thanks so much
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: for joining us.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, a mob of pro Palestinian
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: vandals set fire to a Jewish MP's office, and revelations
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that journalist Chung Lay was obstructed at not just one
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: but multiple press events. Plus Lisa Wilkinson launches a new
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: legal appeal and the Britney Higgins.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: We'll have those details after the break. Welcome back. Well.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Anti Semitism in this country continues to grow. In the
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: latest shocking incident, a pro Palestinian mob attacked and set
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: fire to the Melbourne office office of Jewish Labor MP
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Josh Burns. Many of the building's windows were smashed, red
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: paint was poured throughout and a photo of the MP
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: in the window was vandalized with the text Zionism is fascism.
• 26:33
  Speaker 14: No amount of aggression and violence here in Australia is
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: going to change what's happening in the Middle East. If
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: it did, I would have vandalized my own office, you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: of course. But it didn't. This sort of vandalism, this
• 26:44
  Speaker 14: sort of political aggression, has no place in Australia. It's enough.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Johnny me now is the co CEO of the Executive
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Council of Australian Jury. Alex Rivchen. Alex, thank you very
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: much for joining us. How would you describe this incident?
• 27:02
  Speaker 15: It's sickening. I mean, Josh is someone who I know
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: very well. He's a thoroughly decent human being. He cares
• 27:07
  Speaker 15: deeply for his community and for serving the public and
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: the Austrange people. In terms of his views on the conflict,
• 27:14
  Speaker 15: they're moderate. He supports the right of Israelis to a
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: national home, the right of the Jewish people to self determination,
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: and he supports Palsian statehood. But the fact of the
• 27:22
  Speaker 15: matter is that for these fanatics, for these extremists, any
• 27:26
  Speaker 15: Jew who falls short of their maximalist positions, any person
• 27:30
  Speaker 15: who doesn't adhere to their extremist worldview, is a fair target.
• 27:34
  Speaker 15: And this time it was an office and a shocking
• 27:36
  Speaker 15: act of vandalism. Next time it could be an individual
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: and this could have escalated even further. They set fire
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: to both sides of the building. There's an apartment building
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: and budding the electoral office. This could have ended in tragedy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: And when you're dealing with fanatics of this sort, anything
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: as possible.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Well that's it. And as josh Byrn said, that was
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: lucky that nobody was inside at the time. I've got
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to say, we've seen so much anti Israel's sentiment, particularly
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: from the Greens for example, do you think that the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sentiment that is being peddled is spurring these people on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to commit such horrific acts.
• 28:15
  Speaker 15: There's no doubt about it. And we see online every
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: single day the myths, the conspiracy theories, the disinformation that
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: spreads about the Jewish people, about the state of Israel,
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: and when you have political leaders and sections of the
• 28:27
  Speaker 15: media doing nothing to rebut this, doing nothing to actually
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: establish facts and truth and in fact validating a lot
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: of this nonsense. Then it leads to real life consequences
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: and the fact that our social cohesion is being ripped apart,
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: the fact that elected officials who just want to serve
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: the public are being targeted in this way, the fact
• 28:45
  Speaker 15: that you have Jewish students and academics unable to go
• 28:48
  Speaker 15: to their classes. This is all a symptom of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: lack of leadership of the political extremism that is taking
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: hold in this country. It is deeply disturbing, and we're
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: seeing trends now similar to what's happening in the United States,
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: where you're seeing an amalgam of extremist movements in terms
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: of Islamist extremism, the far left, and even neo Nazis
• 29:08
  Speaker 15: flooding into the pro Palestinian movement. These groups have very
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: little in common other than a hatred for the Jewish people.
• 29:14
  Speaker 15: But unless there is a concerted effort to drive this
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: extremism back to the fringes of our society, I'm really
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: worried about what might happen in the future.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just absolutely shocking, Alex.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Now we saw last night a second Jerry Seinfeld show
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: was disrupted by pro Palestinian hecklers.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: This is what happened.
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: You have vitical feelings, but you don't know where to
• 29:37
  Speaker 16: say that. Do you think that ruining the night it
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: doesn't affect me? All these people, you're ruining their names.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Seriously, Alex, enough is enough.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I imagine paying all this money to sit in a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: theater just so you can end up shouting and carrying on.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think people are genuinely sick of these protesters.
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: They're completely sick of it. They're sick of their arrogance
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: and their sense of entitlement, their belief that they can
• 30:06
  Speaker 15: impose themselves in the most obnoxious ways possible, and the
• 30:10
  Speaker 15: whole thing. It's really a fine metaphor for the way
• 30:13
  Speaker 15: this conflict is playing out in Australian society. On the
• 30:15
  Speaker 15: one hand, you have a Jewish comedian, a legend who's
• 30:18
  Speaker 15: made enormous contributions to popular culture and entertainment. And on
• 30:23
  Speaker 15: the other hand, to borrow a line from the show itself,
• 30:25
  Speaker 15: you have people with no jobs, no prospects, and no
• 30:27
  Speaker 15: conceivable reason for getting up in the morning. People are
• 30:30
  Speaker 15: sick of this. They're sick of the encampments on university campuses,
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: they're sick of the street rallies, and most of all,
• 30:36
  Speaker 15: they're sick of the extremism and the violence that this breeds.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Now Sydney University pro Palestines at the pro Palestine in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: camp there has been largely abandoned after they were finally given.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: The boot by the university.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Alex, I've got to ask, why do you think it's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: taken two months to finally remove them.
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: Frankly, it's a lack of backbone. I mean, the universities
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: have legal powers from the very beginning to close these
• 31:04
  Speaker 15: encampments and force the protests, particularly those who have no
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: actual connection to the university, off the campus. But instead
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: they believe that by placating them, by even negotiating with them,
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: they would somehow go away and that this whole thing
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: would just fizzle out. But when you're dealing with fanatics,
• 31:19
  Speaker 15: when you're dealing with extremists that subscribe to a violent
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: ideology that's anti Semitic, anti Western, anti liberal. They will
• 31:26
  Speaker 15: go as far as they're allowed to go. And I
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: hope that the universities and our public institutions have learned
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: a valuable lesson. You don't negotiate with thugs and extremists,
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: and you don't show greater regard for the so called
• 31:37
  Speaker 15: rights of these people then for the rights of those
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: who simply want to go about their business in our society,
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: make contributions, study and learn. But it's a shameful situation
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: it's been allowed to develop where you have Jewish students
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: and academics afraid to go to their campus, whereas these
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: thugs have been running riot.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary that it's gotten to this stage already.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Alex Rivchen, great to speak with you as always, Thanks
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: for joining us.
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: Thank you so much, Jennika, thank you well.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Lisa Wilkinson has lodged an appeal against Justice Michael Lee's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: finding that her conduct and the Britney Higgins story was
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: improper and unjustifiable, claiming the judge made more than fifty
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: errors in Bruce Lehman's failed defamation case against her.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: And Network ten.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: The Australian has this evening exclusively revealed that just hours ago,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Miss Wilkinson claimed Justice Lee made multiple areas both in
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: his findings about her conduct and about the rape of
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Miss Higgins by mister Lherman. John of Me now is
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: media writer at The Australian. Sophie Ellsworth Sophie, thanks.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: For joining us.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So look, the saga just keeps rolling and rolling on.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Take us through the latest intervention by Lisa Wilkinson.
• 32:48
  Speaker 17: Will you spot on?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Janieker is continuing on.
• 32:52
  Speaker 18: Just when you think this story is almost closed and finished,
• 32:56
  Speaker 18: it ends up that is far from it. So Lisa
• 32:59
  Speaker 18: Wilkinson is now claiming that Justice Lee, as you said,
• 33:04
  Speaker 18: made up to fifty errors in his judgment, and she's
• 33:08
  Speaker 18: fighting that he questioned her conduct in the handling of
• 33:12
  Speaker 18: the Britney Higgins interview that she did with the project
• 33:16
  Speaker 18: and obviously this did her reputation no good at all.
• 33:20
  Speaker 18: So she's now taking a step to basically appeal the
• 33:25
  Speaker 18: case and fight some of the claims that he said
• 33:28
  Speaker 18: in his judgment and also reminding viewers that Bruce Lherman
• 33:33
  Speaker 18: is also appealing the result of this case.
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: And on top of.
• 33:38
  Speaker 18: That we have Linda Reynolds, Senator Linda Reynolds also suing
• 33:42
  Speaker 18: Bruce Lehman, sorry suing Britney Higgins and David Cherraz, should
• 33:47
  Speaker 18: I say, in another defamation case. So this case has
• 33:52
  Speaker 18: been years, going on for years, and it looks like
• 33:55
  Speaker 18: it could be going on for some time yet.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And the only winners, Sophie are the lawyer who are
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: absolutely raking it in. Every time there's another twist and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: turn in this year's long saga. Fascinating now Australian TV
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: journalists of course Guy News presented Chung Lay was blocked
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: from entering a second major government press event, just hours,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of course after the Chinese embassy staged that bizarre.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Incident by attempting to obstruct her view.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So look, we now know, Sophie that the Chinese blocked
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Chung Lay twice in the same day from doing her
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: job on Home soil. What occurred in this second incident.
• 34:36
  Speaker 18: Well, that's right, Toneker, I mean this footage showing that
• 34:38
  Speaker 18: they're basically blocking her in the first situation where she
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: was in Parliament House and then refusing her entry to
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: another media situation you know, press, press conference, so forth.
• 34:52
  Speaker 18: So there's been two situations now where their behavior has
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: been very, very questionable, and I think they've absolutely disgraced themselves,
• 35:02
  Speaker 18: if I put it frankly, that they have decided to
• 35:05
  Speaker 18: treat chen Ley like this. A colleague of ours here
• 35:10
  Speaker 18: Danika at Sky News. She's just going about her business,
• 35:14
  Speaker 18: doing her job as a journalist, and they are absolutely
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: disgracing themselves in the process by not allowing her to
• 35:22
  Speaker 18: go to a press call and in the first case,
• 35:24
  Speaker 18: trying to block her view in a press conference.
• 35:26
  Speaker 17: I mean, absolutely shameful conduct.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely appalling and if it was up to Albow,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it was just a clumsy and ham fisted response. I'm
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: sure he'd say that to the second incident as well.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Just not strong at all on this matter. Now, Sophie
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the BBC's top lawyer, has made quite a stark admission.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: He said that mistakes were made in that famous Martin
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Basher interview with Princess Diana. Of course, that controversial interview
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that was marred in deceit.
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  Speaker 2: So what has this lawyer said.
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  Speaker 18: That's right, so BBC lawyer Sarah Jones has come out
• 36:05
  Speaker 18: and spoken about the whole conduct relating to how this
• 36:09
  Speaker 18: interview was obtained by Martin Bisheer, and obviously, you know
• 36:14
  Speaker 18: he forged these documents and basically the whole way that
• 36:18
  Speaker 18: he got the interview was so badly handled, so disgracefully handled,
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: that he got this interview, you know, under deceit with
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: Princess Diana.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: And then it's only.
• 36:31
  Speaker 18: Come out years later in documentation how this interview was
• 36:36
  Speaker 18: obtained through forged documents. So the lawyer has said it
• 36:40
  Speaker 18: should have been handled better. And it's interesting, Danika, as
• 36:43
  Speaker 18: they often say, it's not the crime, it's the cover up.
• 36:47
  Speaker 18: This getting this interview was obviously such a big deal
• 36:51
  Speaker 18: at the time. Everyone can remember Princess Diana saying that
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: there were three in the marriage just years before she
• 36:58
  Speaker 18: died in that horrific car crash. And then decades later
• 37:02
  Speaker 18: this has come out how that interview was obtained. So
• 37:05
  Speaker 18: the BBC, this has very badly damaged them, no doubt,
• 37:11
  Speaker 18: and more of this is coming out in this trial
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: over in the.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: UK, no doubt about. I think this one still has
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: legs to run. Sofiel's worth good to speak with you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us this evening.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: We'll stay with us. Coming up.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Labor forks out three hundred thousand taxpayer dollars to investigate
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: how indigenous song lines protect marine life. Plus how Joe
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Biden's cognitive decline just got worse.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Who would have thought that's next? Welcome back?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Well, Labour's green zelotry just gets more and more strange
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: and more and more costly at the same time, It's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: been revealed an indigenous academic who criticized the cultural and
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: environmental impacts of the controversial Illawarra offshore wind zone was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: recently the recipe of a three hundred thousand dollars research
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: grant from the Albanezy government. The Daily Telegraph reports doctor
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Jody Edwards was commissioned in February to quote to explore
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: how indigenous songlines have protected wales and dolphins over hundreds
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of years. Johnny now Is, Sky News contributor Evelyn Ray
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and One Nation chief of staff James Ashby.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Hi to both of you. Thanks for joining us.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Evelin Labor is forking out three hundred thousand dollars on
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: this for its green project. Do you think that's a
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: lot of money to investigate song lines?
• 38:36
  Speaker 17: Look something like this.
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  Speaker 11: If you were to go to the pub and tell
• 38:39
  Speaker 11: this story to you, Mays, would it pass the basic
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: pub test. I don't think it would. It certainly smells
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: off and you only have to caress through social media.
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: Comments to sort of see that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: There are quite a lot of Australians who think that
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: it smells a little bit like a bribe.
• 38:56
  Speaker 17: But let's be honest, there is.
• 38:58
  Speaker 11: An awful lot of profit to be made in this
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: particular area.
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: Let's not forget that it was only I.
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: Think last week that the Indigenous Australians got over three
• 39:07
  Speaker 11: hundred thousand hectares in Queensland. You know, it pays to
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: be in the oppressed class in Australia these days.
• 39:14
  Speaker 17: Victimhood is currency.
• 39:16
  Speaker 11: But you know, I think the question that we have
• 39:18
  Speaker 11: to ask ourselves is this tax payer money really well spent?
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: Because we have on average over one hundred and twenty
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: thousand Australians every night who were homeless, and one out
• 39:30
  Speaker 11: of seven of those homeless people are children under the
• 39:33
  Speaker 11: age of twelve. So I think if you would ask
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: the question to majority of Australians whether they think that
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: all of these grants that the Labor government seemed to
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: be throwing out like confetti to these social justice causes,
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: whether their money well spent. I think you would find
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: majority of Australians would say no.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, confetti is a good way to describe it. James.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because a federal government press release in February
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: on this claim that doctor Edwards would study genous environmental
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: knowledge and the connections between land, sea and sky, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: with a particular focus on whales.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Is it worth the money in your view?
• 40:10
  Speaker 19: No, And for the most part, a lot of these
• 40:12
  Speaker 19: people that get these significant grants are actually unemployable people.
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: This is a hideous amount of money that should never
• 40:19
  Speaker 19: have been given in the first place. It's not the
• 40:21
  Speaker 19: first time we've heard of government grants going to waste
• 40:24
  Speaker 19: like this.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: A couple of years ago there was.
• 40:25
  Speaker 19: A woman given money to use a ball of wool
• 40:28
  Speaker 19: and put it up a vagina and then knit from
• 40:31
  Speaker 19: it for an art exhibition. Now, these are the wasteful
• 40:35
  Speaker 19: amounts of money that have been given away on a
• 40:37
  Speaker 19: daily basis, And yet we've got meals on wheels here
• 40:40
  Speaker 19: in Upun that are desperately dying for government assistance to
• 40:44
  Speaker 19: help those elderly people stay in their homes rather than
• 40:48
  Speaker 19: go into nursing homes. So if there's anything any of
• 40:51
  Speaker 19: these government should do moving forward because of the debt
• 40:54
  Speaker 19: we're in as a country, we're going to pull back
• 40:56
  Speaker 19: on this rubbish. It really is.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: There'd be people sitting.
• 40:58
  Speaker 19: At home right now just saying, yeah, we should stop
• 41:01
  Speaker 19: the whole lot of it. There are over six hundred
• 41:03
  Speaker 19: thousand non for profit organizations in this country now the
• 41:06
  Speaker 19: last time I checked, they're all asking for money.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 41:09
  Speaker 19: Some of them are worthwhile organizations, but then are crap
• 41:12
  Speaker 19: like this got a end.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's complete waste and more waste of taxpayers money.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Quantus CEO Alan Joyce is fighting hard for his long
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: term bonuses on top of the checks already made out
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to him, all of which would make him a one
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy million dollar man. But his sixteen million
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: dollar bonus is under thresh, with the airline hiring a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: high profile consulting chief to question senior leaders on whether
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a series of bungles will avoid the payments of lucrative bonuses. Evelyn,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: does he deserve to be the one hundred and seventy
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: million dollar man.
• 41:46
  Speaker 17: I certainly would love to be.
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: But look, if it's a private company, look they're well
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: within their rights to give bonuses or cut them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 17: As a seefit and within the bounds of the law.
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: But where I think this particular case would irk the
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: taxpayer is And it was only last year that the
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: Treasurer said that Conscious was under no obligation to pay
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: back it's almost three billion dollar handout at the taxpayer
• 42:09
  Speaker 11: expense in COVID AID. So I think any talk of
• 42:13
  Speaker 11: bonuses and profits for a company that taxpayers were forced
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: to subsidize when many Australians themselves had suffered personal business
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: losses during the particular time of COVID where the government's
• 42:27
  Speaker 11: handy headed handed measures really impeded their businesses, I think
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: it's not going to sit right and I think it's
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: leaving a very foul taste in the taxpayer money, well
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: in our mouths.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I just think Alan Joyce, he destroyed the brand he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: was on his woke campaign, spent more time grand standing
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: than actually being a leader. I look where he left
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: the company. He left it in a mess. James, why
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: should he get this money?
• 42:52
  Speaker 19: Well he shouldn't. And I was a former corner shareholder.
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: The best thing I ever did was get rid of
• 42:57
  Speaker 19: the shares after they went up. Following his exit from Quatas,
• 43:01
  Speaker 19: he left thousands of people jobless. They've struggled to get
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: pay increases. If you're a baggage handler or anyone within
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: the airline industry, particularly those who've worked for Quatas, No,
• 43:11
  Speaker 19: you shouldn't get this bonus.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: And good luck to the new CEO.
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: I think they're doing a pretty magnificent job since Allen's gone.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: It's a better start than it was previously.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Now, look, let's turn to Joe Biden, who was out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: making a speech today where he made.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Some very clear and concise comments.
• 43:27
  Speaker 20: Thanks to all the matters of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary,
• 43:33
  Speaker 20: I'm sure going to all the way.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Now, look I didn't get that. What was it?
• 43:39
  Speaker 20: Thanks to all the matters of Congress and Homeland Security Secretary.
• 43:45
  Speaker 20: Am sure going to all the way.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Evelyn. Can you shed any light on what he said?
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: There?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Any idea?
• 43:53
  Speaker 17: Look I can't speak dementia.
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: I'm so sorry, but you know I can't imagine the
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: concoction of drugs that the Democrats are gain have to
• 44:00
  Speaker 11: give that man for him to stand a chance against
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: Trump in a week for the presidential debate. I think
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: we're all going to rub a neck just to see
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: the train wreck that's coming before us and the endless
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: meme opportunities.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh big time, James, any idea what he said?
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: I'd take him straight to a doctor and get him
• 44:18
  Speaker 19: checked for ticks. I had a dog that was paralyzed
• 44:20
  Speaker 19: like this and it. Yeah, he's all seized up and
• 44:23
  Speaker 19: all over the shop fell over, So get him check
• 44:26
  Speaker 19: for ticks straight away.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Get him check for ticks. There you go.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: It's going to wait for one hell of an interesting debate.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Evelyn Ray, James Ashby, good to have you on. Thanks
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us this evening.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: We'll stay with us.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Coming up, the next generation's biggest enemy revealed and why
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: experts are calling for immediate action to protect young lives.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Don't go away, welcome back.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Well, there are fears the lives of young people will
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: be ruined amid a rise in the use of harmful
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: AI programs. Students in Victoria have been found to be
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: using artificial intelligence and websites to generate graphic images and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: videos of their classmates, including programs that allow users to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: undress people in photos and face swap. There are now
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: calls for more education on this issue and to discuss this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I'm now joined by child and adolescent psychologist Claire row Claire.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Look, we saw on you last week of fake nudes
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: AI scandal where young Victorian schoolgirls had their faces superimposed
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: on AI neuds, which is it's frightening and it's sickening
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: at the same time. How concerned are you about AI
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: being used in this way?
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 45:36
  Speaker 21: Look, I think we are literally just seeing the tip.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Of the iceberg.
• 45:40
  Speaker 21: I mean on a societal level broader this is exponential
• 45:45
  Speaker 21: mind blowing stuff where this is going to lead to.
• 45:48
  Speaker 21: So for those that don't really know what we're talking about,
• 45:51
  Speaker 21: these deep fates they're called, it's pretty accessible. There are
• 45:55
  Speaker 21: thousands of websites popping up. Now, this is not some
• 45:59
  Speaker 21: underground dark web thing. People can get on and they
• 46:02
  Speaker 21: can essentially create nudes with someone else's face on it,
• 46:06
  Speaker 21: and you cannot tell the difference between a real photo
• 46:09
  Speaker 21: and these photos. And so yeah, there's horrific stories of
• 46:12
  Speaker 21: teenagers waking up and seeing nude photos of themselves on
• 46:16
  Speaker 21: the internet. I mean that is life changing in that moment.
• 46:20
  Speaker 21: I mean their employability, their relationships, you know, their physical
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: and mental health. I mean huge. It's been used to bully, harass,
• 46:29
  Speaker 21: threaten people and so you know, this is an example
• 46:33
  Speaker 21: where technology has run away and exponentially will continue to
• 46:38
  Speaker 21: do so, and we are on the back foot with regulation,
• 46:40
  Speaker 21: with legislation, and how to you know, we can't shut
• 46:44
  Speaker 21: this down, but how to first of all, legislate or
• 46:48
  Speaker 21: control it in that way. But second of all, as
• 46:50
  Speaker 21: you said, you know, educate kids through parents and teachers
• 46:54
  Speaker 21: of the use of this stuff. But you know, on
• 46:57
  Speaker 21: a bigger societal level, we will get to a point
• 47:00
  Speaker 21: very very soon where we won't be able to trust
• 47:03
  Speaker 21: our eyes on the Internet of any type of even video.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: And what that says.
• 47:08
  Speaker 21: About in a political arena, in child you know, pornography,
• 47:14
  Speaker 21: sexual exploitation in multiple areas.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: It's massive, It is massive, and you're right, there is
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: no regulation. So it's a giant beast that just can't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: be stopped. And social media and its effects on young people,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: we know, has been a topic of debate in recent weeks.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Both sides of politics are pushing for more provisions like
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: age limits to try and keep kids safe.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Does that play into it.
• 47:37
  Speaker 17: Oh, absolutely it does.
• 47:38
  Speaker 21: And this actually just adds to that argument that no
• 47:41
  Speaker 21: child under sixteen should have access to any social media
• 47:45
  Speaker 21: at all.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Let them be children.
• 47:46
  Speaker 21: Let them have those few extra years without that pressure
• 47:51
  Speaker 21: to get online and follow what everyone else is doing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 21: Legislate it, remove it from them, and educate them when
• 47:57
  Speaker 21: they turn sixteen.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: To use it correctly.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Well look, I mean it is really really frightening, not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: just for the kids who are exposed to these who
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: have their photos put on nude nude images, but also
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: for the families and the parents. I just think it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: absolutely shocking. Claire Row really appreciate you joining us. Thank
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you so much for your time this evening. And that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: is it from me tonight. Thank you very much for
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: your company. I'll be back again tomorrow night for the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Bolt Report at seven pm. Look forward to your company then,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: but do stay with us. Coming up now is Shari Markson.