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Credlin | 9 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: In Kredline, the clock is ticking on just Center Allen's
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Speaker 2: time as Victorian Premier. But as bad as new polling
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Speaker 2: numbers are, she says she's not going anywhere more on
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Speaker 2: that shortly. Still in Victoria, a huge community rally and
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Speaker 2: Bendigo on the weekend.
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Speaker 3: That's the Premier's seat. And they're angry.
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Speaker 2: About the state's multi billion dollar emergency services tax. It's
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Speaker 2: not just fire stations that are left empty, police stations
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Speaker 2: as well. The shadow Police Minister in Victoria, Brad Batton,
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Speaker 2: coming up class new data revealing more than a thousand
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Speaker 2: migrants a day are being added to our population under labor.
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Speaker 2: So yet another labor Liesn't it that they're cutting the numbers?
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Speaker 2: They are not the Prime minister things. People are angry
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Speaker 2: about his budgets. Sure that's a bit of it, but
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Speaker 2: immigration is certainly biting and despite One Nation peering votes
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Speaker 2: off him, the Prime Minister and ministers.
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Speaker 3: Are in denial.
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Speaker 4: Liberal one National party are indistinguishable these days.
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Speaker 5: Populists' parties in this country's come and go, they rise,
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Speaker 5: and they fall.
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Speaker 2: But first, Normally, when a prime minister comes to town,
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Speaker 2: Labor leaders crawl over cut glass to stand next to him,
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Speaker 2: or at least they used to. Today, the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: was in Jacina Allen's hometown of Bendigo and the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Premier was nowhere to be seen. Now, I don't know
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Speaker 2: who's more toxic here, the prime Minister with a performance
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Speaker 2: rating of a sixty percent dissatisfaction in popularity terms are
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Speaker 2: whopping minus twenty four or the Victorian Premier, whose own
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Speaker 2: numbers hit a shocking low of minus thirty seven today.
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Speaker 3: So who do you.
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Speaker 2: Think made the big call to run a mile? Was
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Speaker 2: it Albert Easy who said don't come home, I want
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Speaker 2: you anywhere near me? Or was it Allan who called
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Speaker 2: the PMO and said, look, I'm in enough trouble. I
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Speaker 2: don't need albow to make it any worse. Is this
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Speaker 2: really the state of politics in this country? Well it
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Speaker 2: would seem it is. With yet another horror pole for
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Speaker 2: Labor and Victoria, ALP's solidarity is quickly moving on to
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Speaker 2: questions of survival, not the party but individuals, as it
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Speaker 2: always does, because nothing sharpens the mind of an MP
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Speaker 2: more than the thought they could lose their seat. And
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Speaker 2: that's the fate that faces many of Justinto Allan's colleagues
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Speaker 2: as long as she's left in charge. The Herald Son
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Speaker 2: today reporting that unless she's dumped Electra wipeout is all
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Speaker 2: but guaranteed. So again today we saw fevered speculation that
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Speaker 2: just sin to Alan's about to be shown the door.
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Speaker 2: And you know that the speculation's real when the Premier
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Speaker 2: leaves her bunker for a fighting press conference to send
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Speaker 2: a message to her internal critic. When Alita does this,
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Speaker 2: old insiders like.
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Speaker 3: Me, no, the end is nine.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday she was winging about a sexist billboard, fair enough.
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Speaker 3: Today she was trying to.
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Speaker 2: Tell us just how tough she really is. Well, listen
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Speaker 2: here to her well rehearsed.
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Speaker 6: Line, when the going gets tough, the tough gets going,
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Speaker 6: and I am all in.
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Speaker 2: That well rehearsed line. Well, we got it over and over.
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Speaker 6: Again, because when the going gets tough, the tough get going,
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Speaker 6: and I am all in for this challenge. I'll repeat
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Speaker 6: something I said earlier. When the going gets tough, the
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Speaker 6: tough gets going, and I'm all in because this election
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Speaker 6: is about a choice I'll repeat again what I said
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Speaker 6: at the outset. When the going gets tough, the tough
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Speaker 6: gets going, and I am all in.
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Speaker 3: On and on she went the same line. Now, what was.
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Speaker 2: Even more revealing about their press conference today was the
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Speaker 2: revelation from our reporter Jack Nihoff, who was there, about
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Speaker 2: the marked up leadership lines in the premier's own speech notes.
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Speaker 2: These are lines of her to parrot out as to
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Speaker 2: why she should remain the labor leader. Now, my god,
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Speaker 2: that says it all. Any leader that needs to have
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Speaker 2: written lines to explain to voters why they should stay
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Speaker 2: as leader, they need to go.
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Speaker 3: Just go.
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Speaker 2: No leader worthy of the name should need notes because
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Speaker 2: good leaders don't have to tell you they're good. They
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Speaker 2: show you by what they do and achieve. And that's
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Speaker 2: been her problem from day one. Cina Allen has never
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Speaker 2: won an election as Labor leader. Justina Allen was installed
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Speaker 2: by Daniel Andrews after he resigned two years ago. It
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Speaker 2: was Daniel Andrews who won the last state election. And
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Speaker 2: this says a good part of the reason why she's
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Speaker 2: having such trouble convincing her colleague she's got what it
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Speaker 2: takes to win come November. Because she's never done it
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Speaker 2: in campaigning, and let's be honest, the Victorian campaigns already underway.
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Speaker 2: In campaigning, you're in with a shot even if voters
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Speaker 2: disagree with you, if they are still fighting with you,
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Speaker 2: because at least they're still listening. But when they stop listening,
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Speaker 2: it's game over. You lose any opportunity to win over
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Speaker 2: your critics. And this is where voters are with Jacinta Andrews.
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Speaker 2: They can't stand her. Victorians can't stand her, They despise her,
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Speaker 2: and they have stopped listening to her, and this is
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Speaker 2: why they will inevitably move to her deputy bed Carol. Now,
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Speaker 2: what labour types are telling me is they want Carol
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Speaker 2: installed to stem the losses. That they don't necessarily expect
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Speaker 2: Carol can or will win, but they know that the
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Speaker 2: Libs have a fight on their hands with one Nations,
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Speaker 2: so anything's possible. And they know that a more palatable
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Speaker 2: labor leader, and Carol comes from the labor right, not
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Speaker 2: the labor left like Allan, so more in a men's
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Speaker 2: and malanowskis mold or that might make them lose a
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Speaker 2: little less badly, and that just as before, the Libs
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Speaker 2: might win the next election, but it did be close
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Speaker 2: and without her baggage, Carol, so they think could get
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Speaker 2: them back in the game after just one term of opposition. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you're not from Victoria, that might sound fanciful, but
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Speaker 2: that's precisely what's happened the last time the Liberals got
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Speaker 2: back into government. Now, after a decade out of office,
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Speaker 2: the Liberals won in twenty ten, and then they lost
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Speaker 2: the very next election. Almost the same thing happened to
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Speaker 2: under Jeff Kinnett when he ended a decade of labor
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Speaker 2: rule that was thrown out at his second election as premier. Today,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was again defending Allen about bad polls
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Speaker 2: and those claims of sexism.
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Speaker 4: Sinner Allen, I've known Jasina for a long period of time.
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Speaker 4: We're both infrastructure ministers in the former government when I
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Speaker 4: was a minister in two thousand and seven. To Sina,
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Speaker 4: Allen has a record of delivering for this local community.
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Speaker 2: But this misses the point. Sexist or not, you don't
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Speaker 2: get to play the victim card when you have been
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Speaker 2: in government, part of a government, a senior member of
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Speaker 2: a government that's been one of the nastiest in history.
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Speaker 7: I mean just sent it for a third time.
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Speaker 8: Let me make it very clear to you that I'm
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Speaker 8: not making any comments about these matters.
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Speaker 9: Let we go back.
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Speaker 7: We're sort of going around in circles now a bit.
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Speaker 7: You've asked you questions, I've answered them. We can keep
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Speaker 7: doing this for as long as you want.
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Speaker 10: Well, you've made a number of assertions there anyway.
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Speaker 2: Nasty, nasty Daniel Andrews and of course she was that
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Speaker 2: man's deputy at the time. I mean, listen to this
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Speaker 2: line from her today about standing up to bullies.
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Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson chooses to barrack for the bullies. I choose
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Speaker 6: to fight them. I'm going to call it out. I'm
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Speaker 6: going to keep calling out. It's sexist, it's wrong, and
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Speaker 6: I'm calling it out for young women and girls and
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Speaker 6: also two boys who need to see that this behavior
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Speaker 6: is condemned, not barricked.
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Speaker 3: What at a BS lady? Where were you?
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Speaker 2: And the Andrews era now the Prime minister too. He
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Speaker 2: needs to be careful here, after all, there are plenty
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Speaker 2: of examples where he has treated women in politics very poorly.
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Speaker 3: This is the only way that a ballarov on a
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Speaker 3: point of order smasher.
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Speaker 2: He says, anyway, how does a labor party that can't
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Speaker 2: even define what a woman is have any credibility on sexism.
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Speaker 2: That's what social media idiot is saying about this whole
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Speaker 2: billboard brew haha over the last couple of days. Now,
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Speaker 2: right now, the Prime Minister things is safe because the
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Speaker 2: Liberals are fighting a war on the center right with
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Speaker 2: one nation but pulling apart the latest numbers, and it's
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Speaker 2: clear that one nation's coming after the working class, the
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Speaker 2: very people that labor used to represent, who, as this
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Speaker 2: voter in Allen's own seat told me last week in Bendigo,
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Speaker 2: now feel abandoned.
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Speaker 9: Enough's enough. You know people have had it. I used
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Speaker 9: to be a labor supporter. Never again. I've shown the
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Speaker 9: change in how they used to treat blue collar workers
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Speaker 9: as their pride and joy. We're nothing there. All we
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Speaker 9: do is go out and pay more tax to try
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Speaker 9: and cover their mistakes in Parliament.
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Speaker 2: But leave it to a senator who are not known
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Speaker 2: for being connected to voters at the best of times,
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Speaker 2: to run a delusional line.
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Speaker 5: And like this, populist parties in this country's come and go,
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Speaker 5: they rise and they fall. I don't think there's a
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Speaker 5: well I don't think Labour has anything to fear from
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Speaker 5: One Nation.
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Speaker 3: Don't they.
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Speaker 2: That's Labour's Travenister Don Farrell, a South Australian senator who
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Speaker 2: saw nothing wrong in flying his adult children around the
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Speaker 2: country on the taxpayer's coin, calling it family reunion. Now,
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Speaker 2: Labour's got its head in the sand on one Nation.
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Speaker 2: But the fact that they are out today trying to
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Speaker 2: get in donations to fight Pauline Hansen or that tells
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Speaker 2: you everything you need to know. Let's go to Camber
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines. We're joined by Sky News political
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Speaker 2: reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 11: Labor appears somewhat spooked by the rise of One Nation,
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Speaker 11: launching an ad blitz begging for donations.
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Speaker 9: Australians are amidst a cost of living crisis and the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister wants everybody to donate twenty seven.
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Speaker 12: Dollars a piece to the Labor Party.
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Speaker 8: Supporters to donate to our party.
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Speaker 5: That's what your party does as well. The problem for
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Speaker 5: you is that you have no supporters left.
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Speaker 10: They're all going to One Nation.
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Speaker 11: Ted Labor HQ is aware of the threat, posting new
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Speaker 11: ads to social media asking supporters for donations to help
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Speaker 11: prevent One Nation from turning polling momentum into seats.
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Speaker 5: Well, and I think Labour has anything to fear from
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Speaker 5: One Nation.
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Speaker 11: The One Nation leader calls the ad plea disgusting, telling
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Speaker 11: Sky News she can't believe Labor is brave enough to
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Speaker 11: ask poor Australians to give over their money to fund
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Speaker 11: their campaigns, but like all political parties, One Nation also
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Speaker 11: needs cash. This donation call out part of Hanson's recent
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Speaker 11: newsletter to supporters. The opposition leader has blamed Labour's budget
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Speaker 11: of broken promises for his polling woes, arguing it's eroded
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Speaker 11: trust in the major parties.
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Speaker 3: People are angry.
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Speaker 13: People are angry, and I completely understand why they are
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Speaker 13: angry because this prime minister lied to them.
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Speaker 11: New Liberal Party President Tony Abbott will embark on a
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Speaker 11: national listening tour, writing to members to invite them to
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Speaker 11: attend meetings and bring ideas, mister Abbot conceding it will
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Speaker 11: take time to persuade skeptical voters to elect Angus Taylor
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Speaker 11: Trudy McIntosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll come back to those federal issues. It's
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Speaker 2: quite a bit I want to get you across tonight.
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Speaker 2: But I want to stay in Victoria for a moment
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Speaker 2: because the release of those polls today, well it's becoming
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Speaker 2: more and more of a case of when not if,
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Speaker 2: Just to Allen's thrown out of the top job. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this Victorian Shadow Police Minister Brad Batton, Well,
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Speaker 2: you got to say it's not looking good for the premiere.
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Speaker 7: It'd be a tough day to wake up to look
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Speaker 7: at those poles.
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Speaker 13: But we know we've got a job to do and
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Speaker 13: it's not easy because there's always you can look at
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Speaker 13: poles from any different angles. We know as a Liberal
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Speaker 13: party too, we've got a lot of work to do.
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Speaker 13: We're going to make sure we can convince people, particularly
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Speaker 13: out in those out of growth areas where I am,
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Speaker 13: that we're the party for them for government this term.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a unique perspective because you were born
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Speaker 2: and bred in the seat you represent that sort of
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Speaker 2: area of Melbourne. You're not someone who's been parachuted out
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Speaker 2: there from the leafy suburbs, that sort of hunting ground
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Speaker 2: that one nation will be very interested in come November.
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Speaker 2: What are people telling you about I guess dislike for
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Speaker 2: the government, but support for you and where do they
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Speaker 2: sit with one nation?
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think there's a bit of a view that
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Speaker 13: obviously will put it the obvious out there.
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Speaker 7: They don't like the government.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, there's a whole world of people out there at
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Speaker 13: the moment that are just so frustrated with what the
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Speaker 13: government's done. And they're hearing the messages on the fifteen
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Speaker 13: billion dollars in the crime.
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Speaker 7: They're feeling the impact in their home. But I've not
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Speaker 7: just in my election.
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Speaker 13: I've been out through where I've been up through sunburnm
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Speaker 13: going up to Melton again shortly.
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Speaker 7: The areas out there are the same.
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Speaker 2: This is the people at home. This is Western Melbourne.
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Speaker 13: Yep or Western Melbourne and all the outer just we
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Speaker 13: can actually put it all of the outer growth ring.
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Speaker 13: They're starting to feel the pinch. They get a bit
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Speaker 13: of a vibe. They sort of think one nation, but
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Speaker 13: they're not sure what they're about. But they hear things
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Speaker 13: that Paul and Hanson says that they think that's all
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Speaker 13: they're hearing. They're going to make sure that where then
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Speaker 13: going out there and saying well, we're the ones to
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Speaker 13: actually govern. You can say anything you want, but it's
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Speaker 13: what are you going to do to make my life better.
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Speaker 13: We are in that position now, and I think Jess
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Speaker 13: is doing a pretty good job, even watch one of
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Speaker 13: the videos before, trying to target the right audience at
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Speaker 13: the right time, and I think that's probably where the
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Speaker 13: essential thing in our change has to be.
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Speaker 2: What if labor does go to Ben and Carroll, I
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Speaker 2: think that's going to be the obvious person. I think, yes,
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Speaker 2: the left have got the numbers, the left faction, but
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Speaker 2: they're not going to go to Gabrielle Williams and another
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Speaker 2: unknown female face. I think they'll go to somewhere were proven.
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Speaker 2: I think they will try and go to the labor right.
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Speaker 2: We've seen with Malinowskis and Men's that's proved successful. Does
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Speaker 2: that change your strategy?
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Speaker 13: Not really, because we've still got to go out there
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Speaker 13: and tell people what we're doing and how we can
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Speaker 13: make their lives better. And I said it the other
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Speaker 13: day though, whether they change or how they change, whether
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Speaker 13: it's the premier or the newest elected member in John
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Speaker 13: Lister and Wheerabee, they're all being involved in exactly the
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Speaker 13: same decisions. If you can get one of them on
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Speaker 13: record to say that there's corruption here in this state,
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Speaker 13: one of them to say that the crime crisis is
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Speaker 13: impacting every single person, or one of them to say
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Speaker 13: they're going to replace the Victoria police officers. Maybe they
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Speaker 13: could be trusted to come into the leadership role, but
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Speaker 13: every single one of them has backed the current decisions.
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Speaker 6: That are there.
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Speaker 2: What about you mentioned corruption, Okay, we're talking about big builds.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about this railway line to nowhere that nobody wants.
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Speaker 2: And the cost to taxpayers and it's debt money, it's
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Speaker 2: not money you've got in the bank.
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Speaker 3: Is extraordinary.
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Speaker 2: But you look at the union deal for workers that
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Speaker 2: was announced today, and this is paid for by taxpayers.
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Speaker 2: Brad one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars is an
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Speaker 2: entry level job. It goes upwards of around four hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. These are for workers on a railway construction line.
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Speaker 3: But it gets worse.
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Speaker 2: They get leave for divorce, They get leave for menopausal
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Speaker 2: I only think there's many women out there on that side.
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Speaker 2: They get leave for breast screening and prostate can screening.
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Speaker 2: They get ten days of leave to attend union training.
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Speaker 2: There's even an on site wellness room. Taxpayers are paying
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Speaker 2: for this. This is a construction site. Are you surprised
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Speaker 2: by this?
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, but I'm over it.
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Speaker 13: I think it gets to a stage we used to
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Speaker 13: have your four weeks leave where if you needed to do.
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Speaker 2: This please for all of these yes you could get leave,
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Speaker 2: and you've got sick.
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Speaker 13: Leave, and I think we need to sort of start
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Speaker 13: to wind this back where it starts to be. Otherwise
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Speaker 13: it is going to become a massive issue, and we're
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Speaker 13: seeing the cost impact on it. Everybody's paying it. The
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Speaker 13: entire community ends up paying this through their taxes. That's
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Speaker 13: why projects at were thirty five beginning it cost two
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Speaker 13: hundred billion. That's why road projects that were going to
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Speaker 13: cost five cost ten billion.
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Speaker 7: It gets worse.
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Speaker 13: We've seen in an Eba recently where you can get
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Speaker 13: sports leave, not if you're a professional, you don't even
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Speaker 13: have to be professional, but you can take up to
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Speaker 13: ten days sports leave over a two year period to
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Speaker 13: go and play golf with your mates.
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Speaker 14: Now that's ridiculous.
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Speaker 13: This is where I turn around and go, come on,
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Speaker 13: you just you're taking the piece out of the community.
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Speaker 2: You are because in Victoria, of course, you can change
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Speaker 2: your gender every twelve months, so I could tick the
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Speaker 2: box and take prostate cancer screening one day, and then
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Speaker 2: next year I could tick the box and do breast
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Speaker 2: cancer screening. I could go for menopause, I could go
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Speaker 2: for IVF. I mean, you could just keep going.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and if you keep building them up, this is
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Speaker 13: where you've got to actually start to do.
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Speaker 7: You know what, most people sitting at home and watching
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Speaker 7: just give us some common sense.
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Speaker 2: I think they're throwing their shoe at the TV Brad.
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Speaker 7: Hope a laugh feed.
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Speaker 3: But they've had enough.
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Speaker 7: They've had enough of all that. But that's all we
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Speaker 7: want is common sense.
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Speaker 13: We just want anyone who sits down and has these
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Speaker 13: negotiations to turn around and go, come on, what's real? Okay,
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Speaker 13: if we did an extra five days leave because of
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Speaker 13: certain things over time.
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Speaker 7: But we're getting to the stage now that, as you said,
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Speaker 7: you can build.
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Speaker 13: Up leave on leave on leave, whether it's cultural, religious,
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Speaker 13: because of your gender. There's all these different ways they're
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Speaker 13: putting in leave now, and it's becoming to a position.
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Speaker 13: As I said, someone has to pay these bills and
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Speaker 13: they're not cheap, all right.
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Speaker 2: I'm asking you because I wouldn't mind a bit of
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Speaker 2: muscle when I go out on the street. I was
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Speaker 2: walking around the back end of sort of Flinders Street,
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Speaker 2: Swanson Street, so you know the ceabd of Melbourne the
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Speaker 2: other day and it was early. It was you know,
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Speaker 2: hub Us nine ten o'clock in the morning, and there
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Speaker 2: was drug dealing, open drug use, a lot of rough sleeping,
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Speaker 2: some really aggressive behavior dealers and other things on the street.
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Speaker 2: I want to take a camera down there because I
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Speaker 2: don't think enough Victorians, let alone Australians, understand how third
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Speaker 2: world the Melbourne Sea Beatty looks at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Will you come with me.
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Speaker 7: One hundred percent?
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Speaker 13: And some of it's just feral and people are feeling
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Speaker 13: unsafe going home from work. A great article today around
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Speaker 13: one of the local DJs who turns around and says
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Speaker 13: the impact on his industry because of these fire bombings.
18:41
Speaker 13: You can't walk around and I hate to say it
18:44
Speaker 13: so much part of that. So many parts of the
18:45
Speaker 13: city now I just smell.
18:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what you could see there was defecation everywhere,
18:49
Speaker 2: but you can smell the urine. You don't feel safe.
18:52
Speaker 2: And as I said, this is in the morning. For me,
18:54
Speaker 2: it's right near the town hall. You've got to question
18:58
Speaker 2: what the man Nick Greece is doing in others.
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Speaker 3: Where's the premiere?
19:01
Speaker 13: Well, good question for the premier. Where is she on
19:03
Speaker 13: all of this? Because I know she's pretty silent. You
19:04
Speaker 13: know she's trying to distract with other things at the moment.
19:07
Speaker 13: But the reality is this is actually about pride in
19:09
Speaker 13: our city, pride in our state.
19:10
Speaker 3: That's how I feel.
19:11
Speaker 13: I used to talk about it and people got worried
19:13
Speaker 13: about the word pride, and I'm like, you know what,
19:15
Speaker 13: I remember playing. I learned the recorder so I could
19:17
Speaker 13: play the Australian national anthem at every assembly, every time
19:21
Speaker 13: we had a meeting at the school, so the whole
19:22
Speaker 13: school would get together and we'd sing it. We've got
19:24
Speaker 13: to bring that back. People should be proud of this state,
19:27
Speaker 13: proud of this country. I ran into a one of
19:30
Speaker 13: my local Srilankans just recently, first generation turned around and goes, Brad,
19:34
Speaker 13: I moved here because Australia Victoria was amazing. I don't
19:39
Speaker 13: know if I want to raise my family here. He's
19:41
Speaker 13: starting to feel the changes and that's not just the crime.
19:44
Speaker 13: That's the things his kids are starting to learn differently,
19:47
Speaker 13: the way things are happening, the curriculum. He's like, Brad
19:50
Speaker 13: This isn't what I came to Australia for. I'm a good,
19:52
Speaker 13: honest Christian Shrilankan.
19:54
Speaker 2: I want to keep it all over there, but I'll
19:56
Speaker 2: take you up on this walk through a Melbourne.
19:57
Speaker 3: I want to show people what it's actually like. Thank you, Brad,
20:00
Speaker 3: Thanks Petter read Baton.
20:01
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go down to those federal political issues in
20:04
Speaker 2: Despite that news poll yesterday continuing the one nation trend
20:07
Speaker 2: of being the preferred party, well, Labour says nothing to
20:11
Speaker 2: worry about.
20:12
Speaker 5: The polling showed that Nick was about to become the
20:15
Speaker 5: Premier of South Australia. His polling was so strong. What
20:20
Speaker 5: happened at the election, Well, he didn't even win his seat.
20:24
Speaker 5: Populist parties in this country's come and go, they rise
20:29
Speaker 5: and they fall. I don't think there's well, I don't
20:33
Speaker 5: think Labour has anything to fear from one nation.
20:38
Speaker 2: Right, joining me our political guru Andrew Cleonel. I made
20:41
Speaker 2: the point at the top of the show, Andrew, you
20:43
Speaker 2: know senators are not really connected with voters at the
20:45
Speaker 2: best of times. But that's La la land stuff. I mean,
20:49
Speaker 2: if he doesn't think Labour's at risk of one nation,
20:52
Speaker 2: why are they out there desperately begging for money off
20:55
Speaker 2: the back of Pauline Hanson from supporters.
20:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty obvious that's going on with Peter. So
21:02
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good story out there in
21:04
Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph because it showed that the government's considering
21:07
Speaker 1: one Nation the major threat, not the coalition, and you know,
21:12
Speaker 1: all their talk otherwise is clearly rubbish that you know
21:15
Speaker 1: they're targeting one nation to try and raise money. I
21:20
Speaker 1: know of eight seats that have been speculated to me
21:23
Speaker 1: that one nation could take off labor. So the way
21:26
Speaker 1: things stand and we got a long way to go,
21:29
Speaker 1: it just seems to me the coalitions in dire straits
21:33
Speaker 1: and one Nation is putting labor in some danger as well.
21:39
Speaker 1: And you know that spooked the government. They thought that
21:43
Speaker 1: what they did in the budget, which actually hasn't worked
21:45
Speaker 1: for them, was a way of saying to young people,
21:48
Speaker 1: for example, we're trying to do something for you on
21:49
Speaker 1: the housing front. We're trying to shake things up. That
21:51
Speaker 1: was definitely it was told to me a reaction to
21:54
Speaker 1: the surging vote for one nation. Vote for one Nation
21:57
Speaker 1: doubled after BONDI unless you show you doing something about migration,
22:02
Speaker 1: I think you're going to be hard pressed to take
22:04
Speaker 1: them on. And I at the moment don't see this
22:08
Speaker 1: going anywhere. And I see one nation getting more of
22:11
Speaker 1: a lead pass than the Liberal Party or the Labor
22:14
Speaker 1: Party when they make mistakes too. And by the lead pass,
22:17
Speaker 1: I don't mean from the media, I mean from the public.
22:21
Speaker 1: I think the public will kind of give them more
22:23
Speaker 1: of a chance. Now that's Xenophon thing. That's not the
22:26
Speaker 1: first time that example has been used to me, but
22:29
Speaker 1: it's a state based campaign. It's very different to one
22:32
Speaker 1: nation you know, that's more out of hope than anything.
22:37
Speaker 1: And who knows where this thing goes.
22:40
Speaker 2: I made the point too at the top of the
22:42
Speaker 2: show that when people are angry with you, when they're
22:45
Speaker 2: fighting with you, when they disagree, even if they don't
22:48
Speaker 2: like what you've got on the table in terms of policy,
22:51
Speaker 2: that they're still engaged with you politically. But when they
22:55
Speaker 2: stop listening, you're gone, right. It's very very difficult for
22:59
Speaker 2: a leader to get the fact. That's when you generally
23:01
Speaker 2: have to change the leader to change the conversation. Certainly
23:05
Speaker 2: where the Victorian government is at the moment, sure, but
23:08
Speaker 2: I think Labors starting to get into that dangerous territory
23:10
Speaker 2: as well, and your point about Hans and one Nation
23:14
Speaker 2: more broadly getting a leaf pass. I remember very much
23:17
Speaker 2: that the two thousand and seven campaign involving Kevin Right
23:20
Speaker 2: and John Howard, and as polite as people were to
23:23
Speaker 2: John Howard, they had stopped listening and Right had made
23:28
Speaker 2: a number of mistakes in that year, but they sort
23:31
Speaker 2: of forgave him those mistakes because they had made up
23:34
Speaker 2: their mind and they were not for turning.
23:38
Speaker 1: I people think I'm mad when I say this, Peter,
23:41
Speaker 1: but I genuinely wonder whether Anthony Albanesi is running at
23:44
Speaker 1: the next election. And I'll give you a couple of
23:48
Speaker 1: reasons for that. He's sixty four next year. I know
23:52
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson's seventy two. He has done something he's never
23:58
Speaker 1: really done in terms of these big controversial proposals forward,
24:03
Speaker 1: which is almost like, oh, well, that's something you might
24:06
Speaker 1: do if you're not running. Anyway, he would face in
24:09
Speaker 1: the next election campaign questions from journalists every single day,
24:13
Speaker 1: what new taxes or promises are you going to break
24:16
Speaker 1: this time? Having done it on two previous occasions. So
24:20
Speaker 1: there's just a few things in there which make me
24:22
Speaker 1: wonder whether Anthony Albaniz he has a plan to go
24:25
Speaker 1: next year. Now, almost no one in politics believes me,
24:28
Speaker 1: especially labor politics.
24:29
Speaker 3: They always say saying this from day one.
24:33
Speaker 1: Say oh, he's going to go on till twenty thirty,
24:35
Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty nine. He wants to break all
24:38
Speaker 1: these records. He does love the job, and you know
24:41
Speaker 1: he loves the trappings of it, and I know that,
24:43
Speaker 1: but I really feel like after that budget, like, why
24:48
Speaker 1: would you do it really unless it was like a
24:51
Speaker 1: point of principle of something you wanted to do and
24:53
Speaker 1: be remembered for taking away that capital gains tax disc
24:57
Speaker 1: out and then you're handing the bat non. Now, you know,
25:00
Speaker 1: if his stocks would to lift, maybe he would be
25:03
Speaker 1: convinced to stay on. And he certainly said to me
25:06
Speaker 1: he was running and running hard, although he didn't have
25:08
Speaker 1: the bottle of grange bed off of him when I
25:09
Speaker 1: interviewed him on Friday. But I just feel it's got
25:14
Speaker 1: that feel about it. And then the question would be who,
25:19
Speaker 1: and the talk is the left wood back Mark Butler, Well,
25:22
Speaker 1: he doesn't really capture the imagination. I guess Tony Burke
25:26
Speaker 1: would want to crack Jim Charmers Richard Marles Tanua, who's
25:30
Speaker 1: going to be best positioned to take on Pauline Hanson.
25:32
Speaker 1: I mean the issue for albanezey years and you see
25:35
Speaker 1: it in a lot of the social media comments. He's
25:38
Speaker 1: kind of he the longer you're in this job, the
25:41
Speaker 1: more chance you have of people basically disliking you and
25:44
Speaker 1: getting over you. And the question is whether he's at
25:47
Speaker 1: that point. And I sort of feel like, you know,
25:50
Speaker 1: it's not doggies anymore in politics, so or perhaps it
25:54
Speaker 1: is dog years before for shorter years. It's changed politics.
25:58
Speaker 2: It has the game has got a lot faster. I
26:01
Speaker 2: think time for governments in offices much shorter, and I
26:04
Speaker 2: think certainly time for political individuals is.
26:08
Speaker 3: Much more accelerated than before.
26:10
Speaker 2: But I said just after he won the massive margin
26:15
Speaker 2: that he will go.
26:16
Speaker 3: He will go in this term.
26:17
Speaker 2: I think he feels like he has climbed the biggest mountains.
26:20
Speaker 2: I know we can stay there and maybe make a
26:23
Speaker 2: push on the Hawk legacy in terms of record, but
26:26
Speaker 2: no one has more seats a bigger win than him.
26:29
Speaker 2: The most un underestimated man for many a year in politics.
26:34
Speaker 2: He's been shot in the backside with the rainbow. He's
26:37
Speaker 2: found love a second time. I do think it's a
26:39
Speaker 2: love match. They've got this million dollar beach house to
26:41
Speaker 2: move into. He's still young enough to do something with
26:44
Speaker 2: his life. I reckon he's going to try and be
26:46
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, the chairman of the NRL or
26:48
Speaker 2: something like that.
26:50
Speaker 3: He's got a.
26:50
Speaker 2: Great, big, fat old time super pension to look forward to.
26:55
Speaker 2: I think he's going to go. I genuinely think he's
26:57
Speaker 2: going to go. And they usually like to go, as
26:59
Speaker 2: you know, Andrew, while they've still got mates in Canberra
27:03
Speaker 2: to get the access, they want to be paid deference to,
27:07
Speaker 2: to be treated like you know, elected royalties.
27:10
Speaker 3: So I just think it's.
27:12
Speaker 2: Got all the hallmarks now of going. And you skewered
27:17
Speaker 2: him in your interview on Friday. It was a terrific
27:20
Speaker 2: interview where you made the point, if it was so important,
27:23
Speaker 2: it was such a big reform, why didn't you have
27:26
Speaker 2: the ticket to take it to the election. You know,
27:27
Speaker 2: he was saying how brave he was to do CGT.
27:30
Speaker 2: He said, well, mate, it's not brave if he didn't
27:32
Speaker 2: take it to an election.
27:33
Speaker 3: I think that's going.
27:34
Speaker 2: To be his achilles heel, not just at the next campaign,
27:38
Speaker 2: but I think every single week is in office.
27:40
Speaker 1: I just don't see how you get through an election
27:43
Speaker 1: campaign without absolutely copying it every day over that, I mean,
27:46
Speaker 1: how do you make more promises and be taken seriously?
27:49
Speaker 1: And for that reason, I just think he's decided to
27:52
Speaker 1: take the risk here and go I want a legacy
27:56
Speaker 1: thing to do. Jim's pushing this, I'll do it. I'll
27:59
Speaker 1: probably go next year. You know, I'm not in Anthony
28:02
Speaker 1: Albanezy's head. He could prove me wrong and we could
28:04
Speaker 1: both look like fools. But I'm just saying a lot
28:07
Speaker 1: of these things seem to add up to me about
28:10
Speaker 1: why why would you hang around?
28:12
Speaker 8: You know?
28:13
Speaker 1: And the issue, of course, is all that the proministers
28:16
Speaker 1: usually can't give up. I think the last one I
28:17
Speaker 1: did was Robert Menzies. Whereas the premier is, you know,
28:20
Speaker 1: have less trappings of office, they give up a lot easier.
28:23
Speaker 1: But it doesn't get any better than what he's done.
28:27
Speaker 1: And so you know, if you were a friend of his,
28:30
Speaker 1: I think you'd even say to him next year, tap
28:32
Speaker 1: the mat, because it only goes downhill from here.
28:36
Speaker 2: I think he's been around long enough, and I think
28:38
Speaker 2: he's got higher up the political pole than he ever
28:41
Speaker 2: thought possible. I do think he looks back at where
28:44
Speaker 2: he grew up and where he is now, and he
28:46
Speaker 2: thinks he's like he stars, he's there. I think he
28:47
Speaker 2: has enough self realization to walk, and or I think
28:51
Speaker 2: he does.
28:51
Speaker 3: And as one of my viewers said to.
28:53
Speaker 2: Me last night, fire the liar, I forget, ditch the witch,
28:56
Speaker 2: fire the liar, which will be the clary and call
29:00
Speaker 2: out the next election. I think you'll walk. We'll see
29:03
Speaker 2: if we're both right in time. Andrew, thank you, all right,
29:06
Speaker 2: Let's go to a quick break. After the break, Labor
29:10
Speaker 2: one nation. We'll get to calls Samaris, he says, don't
29:13
Speaker 2: fall for Albanese.
29:14
Speaker 3: His spin.
29:15
Speaker 2: This accretion of Labor vote by one nation is real.
29:19
Speaker 2: We'll take a closer look at the numbers that's coming out.
29:26
Speaker 2: Welcome about coming up. Frustrated firefighters rallying in Bendigo on
29:30
Speaker 2: the weekend. This is a fight against the emergency services tax.
29:34
Speaker 2: It's the Premier Zone electorate. She's already under pressure. Won't
29:37
Speaker 2: be pretty. More on that in a moment. Let's return
29:40
Speaker 2: now to polling, though.
29:42
Speaker 3: We'll cross the board.
29:42
Speaker 2: One Nation's primary votes climbing and they are now ahead
29:46
Speaker 2: of labor on multiple poles. Now, what's also tilling and
29:50
Speaker 2: we saw this in the news poll on Monday, the
29:52
Speaker 2: PMS disapproval it's hit a new high of sixty percent.
29:56
Speaker 2: Is that negatives are shocking as well. Joining me now,
29:59
Speaker 2: the director of Red Bridge, the poster Cos Samarus. We
30:03
Speaker 2: can get into some of the ins and outs in
30:04
Speaker 2: a moment, particularly cause in relation to one Nation. But
30:07
Speaker 2: I made the point with Andrew Clenell a moment ago.
30:11
Speaker 2: When they've decided the leader is not for them, they
30:16
Speaker 2: stop listening and the leader can't turn things around. Just
30:20
Speaker 2: give me your sense of this liar drag. Now on
30:26
Speaker 2: Albanese's personal vote.
30:30
Speaker 14: Yeah, look, if you look at Albani's's personal rating amongst
30:33
Speaker 14: labor voters, it's pretty good still. So we're still dealing
30:36
Speaker 14: with a very tribal electorate that lost a bit of
30:39
Speaker 14: skin obviously after the budget to other parties and tallest
30:42
Speaker 14: extent one nation. So that's a problem. But theer going
30:46
Speaker 14: back to your conversation with Andrew, and that is yes,
30:50
Speaker 14: that could be weaponized against him joining the federal election,
30:52
Speaker 14: and you can see how that could be done quite effectively.
30:55
Speaker 3: All Right.
30:55
Speaker 2: Don Farrell, Senator from South Australia Trade minister says nation.
31:00
Speaker 3: We're not worrying.
31:01
Speaker 2: Nothing to see here in terms of the Labor vote.
31:03
Speaker 14: What's your view, Yeah, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be
31:06
Speaker 14: that complacent about whether it's One Nation or any anything
31:09
Speaker 14: else that is merging within our democracy. The one thing
31:12
Speaker 14: we're doing about voters, including those who are voting for
31:15
Speaker 14: the Labor Party and the Greens right now, a significant
31:18
Speaker 14: portion of them are looking for an alternative. They don't
31:20
Speaker 14: want to vote for one Nation, so they're not going there.
31:23
Speaker 14: But the frustration that fueled the coalition's morrhaging is also
31:28
Speaker 14: very present and alive in the Labor base. It's it
31:32
Speaker 14: just doesn't want to go right wing. It will go
31:34
Speaker 14: left wing if you can. It's just that's not going
31:36
Speaker 14: to go green.
31:38
Speaker 3: All right.
31:38
Speaker 2: James Carvell, the you know, the US Democrat, famously said
31:41
Speaker 2: it's the economy stupid. The PM tried that line yesterday.
31:46
Speaker 2: It was running out that the discontent out there in
31:49
Speaker 2: the electorate. The reason why he's got a fall in
31:52
Speaker 2: primary is a tough but necessary budget. He says, well,
31:56
Speaker 2: no one's looking at One Nation as an economic genius party.
31:59
Speaker 2: There's a lot in their vote, but heavy in their
32:02
Speaker 2: vote particularly post Bondai is this whole issue of immigration
32:07
Speaker 2: and cultural safety. How do you see this and what
32:10
Speaker 2: do you make of the PM's comments that the hints
32:13
Speaker 2: only about the economics.
32:15
Speaker 14: There was a surge to one nation post Bondo There's
32:17
Speaker 14: no question about that, and again that came off. Lastly,
32:21
Speaker 14: the coalition not necessarily labor I think with regards to
32:25
Speaker 14: the Labour's problem and one nation, he may be actually correct.
32:29
Speaker 14: It's the economy right, and it's fundamentally a problem that
32:34
Speaker 14: now is afflicting millions of Australians, and that is their
32:36
Speaker 14: disposable incomes have been grounded to the floor, especially those
32:42
Speaker 14: in the outer subembs and regions. It's exactly in the
32:44
Speaker 14: areas where one nation surging. Yes, one nation doesn't need
32:48
Speaker 14: an economic plan. That's not the reason they're voting for us.
32:50
Speaker 14: They're voting for her to get revenge on a political
32:54
Speaker 14: class I think has ignored them for too long.
32:57
Speaker 3: All right.
32:58
Speaker 2: I've talked a lot about housing issues post budget on
33:02
Speaker 2: the show. You've got the negative equity risk of people
33:06
Speaker 2: that have only bought a home in the last four
33:08
Speaker 2: or five years. Of course, you've got rising interest rates
33:12
Speaker 2: making that tough for them, falling house values which is
33:15
Speaker 2: only going to get worse. You've got now a real
33:19
Speaker 2: hit on auction clearance rates and an overall decline of
33:23
Speaker 2: housing values. Given it's our biggest asset for most Australians.
33:28
Speaker 2: This is political suicide for the government. This is dangerous
33:31
Speaker 2: territory because you know, even if you're paying off your home,
33:34
Speaker 2: you hope one day to be able to sell it
33:36
Speaker 2: to downsize to look after yourself in your retirement. But
33:40
Speaker 2: if your house is going to end up being sold
33:43
Speaker 2: for less than what you've paid off or what you've
33:46
Speaker 2: certainly bought it for, you're not going to be happy.
33:50
Speaker 14: Yeah. The group you've got to look for with regards
33:53
Speaker 14: to that challenge, and it's a real one, is anyone
33:55
Speaker 14: that's bought a property probably from twenty twenty onwards. That's
34:00
Speaker 14: when it was at the peak of the market. They
34:02
Speaker 14: bought it at the top of the market, and now
34:04
Speaker 14: they're going to lose equity on their properties. Individuals that
34:07
Speaker 14: bought like ten years ago, they will be upset. They're
34:10
Speaker 14: losing a bit of what they've accumulated, but they're still
34:13
Speaker 14: going to accumulate a profit. But it's that group that
34:17
Speaker 14: bought after twenty twenty, and it's that group that we
34:20
Speaker 14: finding in our research is also incredibly despondent about the
34:23
Speaker 14: future and they've got massive mortgages. They're now largely now
34:28
Speaker 14: into their forties. And that group's moving to One Nation
34:31
Speaker 14: as well. That's the one that I'm watching very closely
34:34
Speaker 14: now because that's probably the next wave that will hit
34:37
Speaker 14: the one nation basket so to speak.
34:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that demographica. I've been watching the gen
34:43
Speaker 2: x's and particularly women. You know decideted that women won't
34:47
Speaker 2: vote on mass for the center right or parties of
34:50
Speaker 2: the center right. Well that's been put to one side
34:52
Speaker 2: with One Nation. Talk to me about the poll today
34:54
Speaker 2: and the Herald Sign and justint Alan generally again, I
34:58
Speaker 2: think people have stopped listening to her. I think they
35:00
Speaker 2: will move to Ben Carroll, not necessarily because they think
35:03
Speaker 2: he can win the next election, but he could stem
35:06
Speaker 2: Labour's losses and perhaps get them back in a term.
35:09
Speaker 3: Give me your sense of things.
35:12
Speaker 14: Look, all the chickens are coming home to roost now
35:14
Speaker 14: for the Labor Party in Victoria. They have ran an
35:17
Speaker 14: agenda that was very very successful for them, where they
35:21
Speaker 14: basically Sam bagged or funded electorates which were classic marginal
35:25
Speaker 14: electorates in middle class, wealthy parts of Melbourne. Now that
35:30
Speaker 14: worked for them for a while, and really that was
35:32
Speaker 14: largely at the cost of out of suburban constituencies which
35:36
Speaker 14: historically have always voted for them. It is here where
35:40
Speaker 14: I think One Nation will pick up a lot of
35:41
Speaker 14: seats off Labor and that rear war will come down.
35:44
Speaker 14: I'm fairly convinced of it, unless they're primary moves too
35:48
Speaker 14: close to thirty percent. Even then they will still lose
35:51
Speaker 14: seats to One Nation. Even if they get the forty five,
35:54
Speaker 14: they're still going to lose seats to one Nation. Yeah,
35:57
Speaker 14: it's pretty.
35:57
Speaker 2: Good and just quickly, just quickly, one Nation in Victoria.
36:03
Speaker 2: There isn't a big known One Nation leader yet Does
36:09
Speaker 2: that matter?
36:10
Speaker 14: No, not really. I think it's Pauline Hanson. She's got
36:14
Speaker 14: a strong brand across the entire country. It will help
36:17
Speaker 14: them in termserving a spokesperson, There's no question about that.
36:21
Speaker 14: But again I wouldn't rule out, for example, post election
36:23
Speaker 14: labor losers. But the largest party in the parliament is
36:26
Speaker 14: One Nation. That's not oh wow, that's yeah, that's not
36:30
Speaker 14: like something we could rule out now we've got a
36:32
Speaker 14: long way to go, and Jess Wilson could end up
36:34
Speaker 14: being the larger one of the two and forming a
36:38
Speaker 14: coalition of sorts. But yeah, that's I wouldn't rule out
36:41
Speaker 14: one nation picking up a lot of seats.
36:44
Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it there, Costamaras, thank you, right,
36:47
Speaker 2: quick break. After the break, we'll speak to the CFA.
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Speaker 2: This is the Country Far Authority in Victoria. This is
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Speaker 2: the volunteer firefighters and they are rallying again on the
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Speaker 2: weekend on Sunday in Bendigo.
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Speaker 3: It'll be huge.
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Speaker 2: I'll take you through why in a moment. All right,
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Speaker 2: coming out, we'll get into Labour's latest lie. This is
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Speaker 2: the idea that they're pumping the brakes and migration. The
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Speaker 2: new data out today says that.
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Speaker 3: Is not true.
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Speaker 2: But first, more than a year after firefighters and farmers
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Speaker 2: rolled their fire trucks onto the steps of Parliament House
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, the Fighter for Victoria's Emergency Services levee is
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Speaker 2: showing no signs of fading away. On the weekend, CFA
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Speaker 2: volunteers from across the state. We'll converge on Bendigo for
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Speaker 2: another big scrap. The tax rally demanding that the government
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Speaker 2: repeal the controversial Emergency Services and Volunteers Fund.
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Speaker 3: This is the tax. They call it a levee, but
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Speaker 3: it's not. It's a tax.
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Speaker 2: We were in Bendigo just last week and got a
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Speaker 2: real sense of the anger from volunteer firefighters on the
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Speaker 2: front line.
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Speaker 12: If you work out that a tank is about six
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Speaker 12: hundred thousand, we need about one hundred odd million dollars
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Speaker 12: a year to bring them all in line, so I
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Speaker 12: mean twenty five years they stay at twenty five years old.
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Speaker 12: I believe that they haven't managed our money. Well, they're
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Speaker 12: the custodians of our money. I meant to spend it wisely,
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Speaker 12: and I'll say it's just getting blown no matter where
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Speaker 12: they go and whatever they do.
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Speaker 14: Right.
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Speaker 2: That is the Mosquito Creek Brigade. That's just one brigade.
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Speaker 2: That story could be said right across the state. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now is John Houston, president of the CFA Volunteers Group,
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Speaker 2: and I'm pleased to have him on the program. John
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Speaker 2: will get to the rally on the weekend, and I
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Speaker 2: know you want to invite anyone who's watching. But this
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Speaker 2: is more now than just a bad tax, isn't it?
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Speaker 10: Well, where do we start.
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Speaker 15: It's a bad tax, it's bad governance, it's just a bad.
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Speaker 10: Situation that we're in.
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Speaker 15: And we've got six hundred and fifty tankers that are
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Speaker 15: past they use by a date which is twenty years
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Speaker 15: and that's not right. And our CFA, I'm as sorry
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Speaker 15: if the cousins they've got over one hundred cangers are
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Speaker 15: out of date.
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Speaker 10: So you know, you just can't. You can't fight fowers
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Speaker 10: with stuff that's not safe and not fit for purpose.
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Speaker 10: And you know, we need the government to step up.
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Speaker 15: That this is a continuous thing that got older and
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Speaker 15: older every year. It's not just happened overnight. This has
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Speaker 15: been continuous patterned for the last twelve years.
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Speaker 2: And I'll say again, you know, no other states that
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Speaker 2: the loss of life that Victoria has. And yes there's
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Speaker 2: people and houses and on their farms that are put
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Speaker 2: at risk. But every time you'll volunteers get into these
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Speaker 2: trucks and are sent out to these wild, huge Victorian bushfires,
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Speaker 2: your lives are on the line in a way that
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Speaker 2: it's not on the line for the politicians. I can
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Speaker 2: understand the anger when I talk to fire brigade workers,
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Speaker 2: paid and unpaid the volunteers as well on the ground.
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Speaker 2: And this is where you want this levee scrapped because
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Speaker 2: I tell you, no one can tell me where the
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Speaker 2: one point six billion dollars that's raised every year actually
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Speaker 2: goes one hundred.
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Speaker 10: Percent, right.
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Speaker 15: You know, there used to be consolidated revenue used to
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Speaker 15: pay for this, and then we had a tax on
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Speaker 15: the property of on your household stuff. But now it's
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Speaker 15: just continuous to grab. You know, two years ago there
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Speaker 15: was farmers will put up two hundred percent and now
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Speaker 15: they've had another go. They got away with that, so
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Speaker 15: they've just decided that they're going to go another three
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Speaker 15: hundred percent.
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Speaker 10: Now it's not right.
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Speaker 15: Our farmers are volunteers and the communities that they're in
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Speaker 15: they've just had enough. You just can't keep raping the
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Speaker 15: regions so to speak, and expect people not to stand
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Speaker 15: up and fight.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're also paying these huge levees disproportionately big on farmland.
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Speaker 2: But it's also the farmers that get into their own trucks,
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Speaker 2: take time off their own working properties to go and
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Speaker 2: fight these fires on My mates in Horseham have done
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Speaker 2: this many a time. They go backwards on their farm,
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Speaker 2: their lives are at risk and offer the equipment so
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Speaker 2: bad from the CFA they have to use their own.
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Speaker 3: That's not fair either.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, you're right now, these farmers play a huge levy.
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Speaker 15: You know, it's tens of thousands and plus for a
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Speaker 15: lot of them, and you know that they've then got
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Speaker 15: to turn around buy their own fire equipment and go
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Speaker 15: and fight it.
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Speaker 10: You know.
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Speaker 15: And during the fires that we had in January all
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Speaker 15: over the summer, you know a lot of those fiagrams
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Speaker 15: where there was two to three private tankers as opposed
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Speaker 15: to one CFA tanker. So you know, like not only
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Speaker 15: do the farmers and business owners as well, adding in
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Speaker 15: real communities, not only do they put a lot into
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Speaker 15: being a CFA volunteer, but they also put a lot
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Speaker 15: in outside of that and employee.
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Speaker 10: People and stuff like that that then go and fight
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Speaker 10: those fires as well. You know, you just can't. It's
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Speaker 10: not sustainable.
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Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to make sure we've got camera
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Speaker 2: crews there to cover it. Just quickly, Where do people
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Speaker 2: go in Bennigo on Sunday? You've said to me, it's
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Speaker 2: open to absolutely everyone.
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Speaker 3: Take us through the details.
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Speaker 15: The tom flood over gates open on Sunday, the fourteenth
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Speaker 15: gates open ten am that we tanker convoys arriving.
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Speaker 10: From that time on. That will be speeches around at
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Speaker 10: eleven o'clock.
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Speaker 15: There will be a barbecue, drinks and also merchandise scrap
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Speaker 15: the tax with your merchandise that you can purchase.
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Speaker 10: There, and then the tanker rally will then go through
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Speaker 10: a venue go from twelve thirty onwards. And you know,
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Speaker 10: we just want it to be big.
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Speaker 15: This is a great opportunity for everybody to stand shoulder
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Speaker 15: of the shoulder with the farmers, with the career firefighters
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Speaker 15: and the CFA volunteers, but also the community.
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Speaker 10: To get behind them and send a clear message to
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Speaker 10: center on that this is not right. We've had enough.
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Speaker 10: You can't you can't keep doing this.
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Speaker 15: You can't treat our firefighters and our volunteers this way.
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Speaker 15: And you're paying for a service, and you're not getting
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Speaker 15: value for that service that you're paying for.
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Speaker 10: It's got the money's going elsewhere. So you know, you
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Speaker 10: buy a beer, you get a beer, You buy a shirt,
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Speaker 10: you get a shirt. You boy a car, you get
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Speaker 10: a car roll.
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Speaker 15: Unfortunately, you're paying for emergency service and volntees fund tax
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Speaker 15: and you're not getting your value for it.
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Speaker 2: Good on you're John. Good luck for Sunday. I hope
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Speaker 2: you've got thousands and thousands of people they're supporting you
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Speaker 2: for a show of strength. As I said, I'll cover
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Speaker 2: it next week. Thanks for joining me. All right, quick
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Speaker 2: break after the Break nine panel, Lucy's Zelik and Sean
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Speaker 2: Bell welcome back now to the latest AVS data which
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Speaker 2: shows that under labor net, overseas migrations added just over
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Speaker 2: one thousand people per day. Now that compares to six
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three in the rud Gillard era, four
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Speaker 2: fifty three under Abbot Turnberlin Morrison, and way way less
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Speaker 2: than that under labor governments of the past. Here to
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Speaker 2: discuss Skinny's contributor Lucy Zeleg and New South Wales One
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Speaker 2: Nation Senator Sean Bell was Sean, I think before I
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Speaker 2: bring you in, let's go to those comments from SOHO
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Speaker 2: rightly criticized high levels of immigration and the failure to assimilate.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen, Oh we haven't got the grabs. Sorry
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Speaker 2: in my ear Sean, he may disappoint and you would
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Speaker 2: have heard those comments, particularly in relation to Britain and
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Speaker 2: the murder of that young boy Henry Novak. If we
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Speaker 2: get migrants who come to our countries in the West
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Speaker 2: and they do not assimilate, we have enormous social problems.
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Speaker 3: So how do we rain these numbers in?
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Speaker 16: Thank you, Peter. I mean what we've seen from Labor
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Speaker 16: and that's what's led to this conversation is I think
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Speaker 16: Jim Chalmers came out and said that Labor Party had
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Speaker 16: cut immigration by forty five percent, and that is absurd,
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Speaker 16: that is a lie. And what we've seen post that
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Speaker 16: was that data come out in the Australia and things
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Speaker 16: that we've put up. We've shown that temporary number of
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Speaker 16: temporary migrants in Australia, not including tourists, is.
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Speaker 7: At a record level.
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Speaker 16: And so and then we see that we've got a
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Speaker 16: Labor government working to bring back ISIS supporters for overseas.
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Speaker 16: So you've got record levels of immigration and you've got
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Speaker 16: a government not interested in properly vetting people. And what
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Speaker 16: you do have then is a general public who are
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Speaker 16: just rightfully concerned.
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Speaker 7: And then what you've.
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Speaker 16: Got is you've got ministers. You've got a Prime Minister
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Speaker 16: who talk down to smear and insult anyone who raised
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Speaker 16: those concerns and then then what you get again, you
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Speaker 16: see what leads to there is you've got tragedy, disaster,
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Speaker 16: as we saw with Henry Novak in the UK.
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Speaker 2: Lucy, let's go to those comments from the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: saying that the ad campaign this is the ditch the
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Speaker 2: which bill Boarden has only won and it's been trundling
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Speaker 2: around Melbourne for some time. But he says it's sexist,
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Speaker 2: it's unacceptable and he went so far as to suggest
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Speaker 2: it could lead to tragedy. Now, I said last night,
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Speaker 2: if you can't even define a woman, you don't get
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Speaker 2: the sexism card to be played that easily.
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Speaker 8: What do you think, as you said there, Peter Gray,
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Speaker 8: to be with you, firstly, it all macs of hypocrisy
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Speaker 8: and just absurdity. Really, it's very rich coming from the
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Speaker 8: party who was backed in a sex discrimination commissioner, who
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Speaker 8: believes that men can get pregnant, and who calls women's
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Speaker 8: rights and the issue of women's rights when it comes
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Speaker 8: to trans rights a culture war. Josh Burns, he was
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Speaker 8: on earlier today with our colleague Andrew Clanell, and obviously
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Speaker 8: he didn't get the memo because to the point about danger,
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Speaker 8: he effectively said that one nation a dangerous and are
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Speaker 8: not acting in the national's best interests.
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Speaker 11: Now, this is just absurd.
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Speaker 8: And speaking of which, what about the time that alb
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Speaker 8: and Easy referred to any right wing voters as cookers
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Speaker 8: and also said that anyone that was looking to one
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Speaker 8: nation and that particular party were appealing to so called
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Speaker 8: dark forces. I mean, the point about danger is just
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Speaker 8: it's sensationalist and hyperbolic. But it also ignores the fact
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Speaker 8: that we can all remember that during the twenty twenty
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Speaker 8: two election campaign, the Tanya Plibasek referred to Peter Dutton
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Speaker 8: as Voldemort and said that he should smile more. I mean,
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Speaker 8: we all remember when Donald Trump said that a reporter
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Speaker 8: should smile more. He was absolutely pilloried. And by the way,
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Speaker 8: being born a woman is not an achievement, and nor
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Speaker 8: does it preclude you from criticism, regardless of.
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Speaker 3: How distasteful it is.
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Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what an achievement would be delivering
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Speaker 8: for your state, arresting the absolute increase in crime and
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Speaker 8: decreasing the over one hundred and ninety billion dollars of
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Speaker 8: debt that that state is in. If she had taken
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Speaker 8: more of a stand with respect to that and not
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Speaker 8: this so called sexism and misogyny, maybe she wouldn't be
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Speaker 8: the subject of such ayre.
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Speaker 2: And I must say, Lucy, where was she when Daniel
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Speaker 2: Andrews was at his nasty best. I mean she was
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Speaker 2: his number two. She says today that you know, I
47:48
Speaker 2: stand up to Bulliz, I'm standing up to Paul and Hansen.
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Speaker 2: Well she didn't stand up to Daniel Andres, did she.
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Speaker 8: No, she had nothing to say to him at that time,
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Speaker 8: and in fact was supporting it. What about the vision
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Speaker 8: that you showed earlier of Anthony in the Albanesi encouraging
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Speaker 8: his labor colleague at the time to smash her with
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Speaker 8: respect to Susan Lee whilst she was speaking. I mean, again,
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Speaker 8: as I said, it's just all smacks of hypocrisy and
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Speaker 8: it doesn't show a Labor party that is committed to
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Speaker 8: not just recognizing what a woman is, but addressing the
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Speaker 8: fact that they too have fallen foul of these types
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Speaker 8: of you know, pretty intense bits of rhetoric throughout the
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Speaker 8: ages as well.
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Speaker 2: Sure, the government says they're not scared about one nation.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister basically says, your water off his duck's back.
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Speaker 2: But of course the Labor Party is out there trying
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Speaker 2: to build an election war chest using your name and
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Speaker 2: using the threat of one nation. I think that threat's real,
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Speaker 2: but they're using you as a big donation drive.
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Speaker 16: The reason the Labor Party is terrified of one nation
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Speaker 16: is because they see that the tricks that they have
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Speaker 16: used successfully in the past against the Coalition aren't working.
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Speaker 16: They can see that there's no name that they can
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Speaker 16: call anyone in one nation. There's no name they can
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Speaker 16: call set up hands. And when we come out and
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Speaker 16: say we're going to cut mass migration, they're not going
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Speaker 16: to get us to back down by calling us names
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Speaker 16: like racist. When we say we're going to scrap net zero,
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Speaker 16: They're not going to get us to back down by
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Speaker 16: calling us cookers. It's just not going to work, and
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Speaker 16: that is what has them rattled.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right, Lucy. I couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 8: And all it's doing is emboldening her movements, So any
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Speaker 8: attempts to criticize her, all it's doing is boosting her
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Speaker 8: numbers in the polls, as we've seen this week.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but I'll leave it there both of you. Thank you. Sean.
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Speaker 2: Lucy's elick doesn't Lucy look glamorous tonight. Goodness me at
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Speaker 2: six o'clock.
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Speaker 3: In the evening. That's it for me. See tomorrow night
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Speaker 3: up next, of course, and to bolt