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TOTAL CHAOS: America’s Next Step Toward Communist Takeover w/ James Lindsay · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Woolhouse. If you look around America right now, you'd probably agree with me when I'd say that it's absolute chaos. And it's easy to think that it's planned from some central location. It's easy to think that you have no idea.
• 0:16
  I mean, no one knows what's really going on, but there are some experts that are helping to guide us to understand what's really happening in this country. And so one of those experts is James Lindsay, someone that if you're not following on Twitter or following his work, you should be because he is someone that has really carved out an understanding a strong understanding of communism, and not just, you know, historical communism, but modern day communism, the evolution of what communism is these days, what communism is right now in China, and what's happening here in America. And so he just recently released a documentary with the author Julie Belling, who wrote the book, who I've interviewed before as well, called Beneath Sheep's Clothing, which goes through in details and really exposes the communist coup that's happening in America and what phase that we're at and what comes next. And so this is gonna be a pretty gripping, but very concise interview talking about taking a sober look at where our country is at right now in this war against communism. Because honestly, folks, we are entering into a very, very precarious time in the history of this country where if we don't play our cards right, and we don't come together, and we don't help our fellow Americans understand what's happening, we could literally be in communist gulags in less than a decade.
• 1:30
  I don't wanna be an alarmist, but that's where we're at. And I bet you'd probably agree with me because you're smart, and you're watching shows like this that are talking about the real issues. So, folks, I'm going I'll play the trailer first for the documentary, which is incredible, and then we're gonna jump right into the interview with James Lindsay.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing about communism. When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, hi. I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you. It says, I'm here
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: to liberate you from oppression. I thought of myself as a habikite. I had no idea that I was being brainwashed.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: So the KGB agents would go into the church and then rise up.
• 2:13
  Speaker 4: This raid. All of them is infiltrated. This was a rape of the body of Christ. You take over the colleges of education, then you take over all the teachers, then you take over all the students, and thus you get the future. He said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity.
• 2:37
  Those were his words. People's war means to destroy the opposing country through unconventional methods, and Khrushchev bragged about it. We'll take America without firing a shot.
• 2:50
  Speaker 5: In other words, Marxism Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of American students
• 2:56
  Speaker 6: without being challenged. The result,
• 2:58
  Speaker 5: the result you can see.
• 3:29
  Speaker 4: There are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing all over the place.
• 3:38
  Seth Holehouse: Mr. James Lindsey, it's great to have you back on the show. Thank you for being here with us today.
• 3:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm excited to see you again.
• 3:44
  Seth Holehouse: Thank you. So you're one of my favorite people to follow, especially on Twitter, because you have all of this information going out there, especially, again, on on ex Twitter because there's it's just it's free. So free flow of information. There's so many different rabbit holes, so many different narratives. But what I appreciate you that then how you present information is you come back to the simple point of like, look, we're up against communism.
• 4:08
  And it's something that is very easily forgotten, and I'm almost sensing that from some folks, it's just like McCarthyism of like, oh, communism, it's the red herring. It's it's actually not it's not communism. It's just the globalist. It's just this. And, you know, coming from my background of of studying communism for quite some time as then let alone your background, I think there's a lot more to add to the story than this the simplification of it's just the cabal, and there's not the communists are just puppets just like everyone else is.
• 4:33
  So what's you know, kind of looking at as we're heading in this election, and as we're seeing our country just ripped apart, you know, protests everywhere, everything we we've witnessed, what's your assessment of the role of communism and communists in the current state of our country?
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, just your comment that, you know, that I keep going back to this point, and, you know, there's this dismissive attitude. I would say that I wish what I really wish is that people you know what? Fine. Don't listen to me. I don't want you to listen to me.
• 5:03
  Don't care if you listen to me. Go listen to some people who came from communist countries. See what they say about what's going on in America because they're speaking in one voice, whether it's Cuba, whether it's Venezuela, whether they're saying this is what happened to my country, whether it's Soviet Union, and there are people that lived in Soviet Union, whether it's China under the People's Republic, they're all saying the same thing, whether it's Cambodians whose parents went through the Cambodian genocide, they're all saying the same thing. This is communism. This is communism.
• 5:32
  This is communism. And they were saying it back when Barack Obama was campaigning in 02/2008, '16 years ago, and I wish people would would I didn't take them seriously at the time, and I regret it. I wish other people would take them seriously. So if you think I'm being hyperbolic, I am funny, and I make jokes a lot, but I'm not being hyperbolic in this analysis. I think that communism is mostly central, and there's a tiny caveat there I'll elaborate on, and we'll give them a little cookie for the it's the cabal people.
• 6:01
  I think it is mostly central to what's happening in The United States. I think the shape of what we've experienced for the past four years, at least, actually longer, is Maoism. It comes directly from Mao imported by the critical theorists in the nineteen 1960s. Herbert Marcuse famously said in '69 that certainly today, every Marxist who is not a communist of strict obedience is a Maoist. He said that that's a direct quote that I have memorized.
• 6:29
  He said that in an interview that he gave in 1969. It's extremely clear that they imported Maoist techniques, identity politics, and what I call the politics of compliance to force to divide the population and force it to comply and to turn the population on each other for not complying when they refuse. We saw that with COVID, we see it with identity politics, we see it with climate change, and we see it with Trump derangement level politics. So it's at the center of everything that's happening down to basically the last detail. I mean, DEI is an import, not even from Maoism, it's an import from Stalin and Lenin in nineteen twenty one, two, and three when they were outlining what they called diversity, actual equality, and indigenization as a three pronged approach that was going to be the second most important project of Soviet Union in its attempt to communize the country.
• 7:24
  And so it's, I mean, at the center of everything, and this is why I wish people would listen if they don't want to listen to me because they think I'm a crazy white person, that's fine, go listen to somebody from China who's telling you this is exactly what we experienced. So my little caveat, my little cookie for the global, it's the global cabal people is, well, technically, you're right. It is the global cabal, and they don't give a flying hoot about communism specifically, except that communism is the most powerful tool to destroy a stable capitalist country. So they're trying to destroy our country so that they can assert their power. But if you actually look into their overall metaphysical and spiritual beliefs or spiritualist, I should say, beliefs, They aren't strictly communist like Marx, but they are the exact same idea that we're going to transform mankind to be a collective species that work for one another and somehow manages to uphold this hyper elite as, you know, the glory of mankind as the stakeholders that are going to lead us through the brave new future that we have to endure.
• 8:28
  And yeah, there's Klaus Schwab with a bust of Lenin in his office. Isn't that weird? And he's Lenin's famous for what? The vanguard model, where he said these workers councils, which were called the Soviet, would lead the country and the Soviet Union. And so the workers councils, which the Russian word for that is Soviet, that's where that word comes from, the workers councils were party aligned workers only who understood the stakes that the workers had and were going to lead it.
• 8:55
  Stakeholder capitalism of Klaus Schwab is a reinvention for the managerial class instead of the worker. It's it's a literal line for line reinvention of Lenin's vanguard model, but now for the managers rather than for the workers.
• 9:10
  Seth Holehouse: So you've heard the news. Food factories burned to the ground. Millions of chickens gassed in the name of bird flu. Bill Gates and the CCP buying up farmland like there's no tomorrow. The government's literally paying farmers to slaughter livestock and shut down farms, and bugs are on the menu whether you like it or not.
• 9:29
  Just think about where this is all headed. Henry Kissinger once said, who controls the food supply controls the people. And history is full of stories of tyrants using food to break people's will. Now, you're watching my show, which means you're probably not the type of person that'll bow down the tyranny. But how long can you hold out when your kids are hungry, or when you're forced to take a jab to eat?
• 9:52
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• 10:15
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• 10:44
  Again, that's heavensharvest.com and promo code Seth to save 15%. Folks, order now before it's too late. Yeah. One thing that well, I'm glad you you put it that way. And also, what I've come to do in my research is that, yeah, there is there is a a a global cabal.
• 11:03
  And, actually, I I think it's multiple. I think that there's actually factions. There's infighting. I agree. One common goal is that America stands in the way of some sort of global totalitarian system.
• 11:12
  But if, you know, these factions, though, I I completely agree that you know, communism is it's the religion. It's the it's the political system. It's the cultural system. It's the grouping of ideas that's infected, I think, their minds at that level, but also that have become an amazing tool. And something I also see sometimes is that, you know, when I when I, you know, talk about different enemies of our country, there's a lot of people that say, no.
• 11:39
  No. No. Look. The enemy is our own government. The enemy is the United States deep state.
• 11:42
  And while I know that our government has been absolutely corrupted, and it's being used as a tool, whether it's our military or whether it's our tech sector or our financial sector, etcetera, it's been used to control a lot of things and people in countries around the world. We also can't ignore the fact that our government has also been heavily infiltrated. And so it's almost like, say, your local mayor has been bought off through, you know, bribery and blackmail by the CCP, and he's literally a puppet being pulled, you know, with with, you know, Xi Jinping pulling the strings. You could say that it's your male's mayor's fault that the town's going to ruin, but you can't say that without also acknowledging that he's being controlled by a foreign actor. So I think it's also another way of being dismissive towards the threat of communism by saying, oh, it's our own government.
• 12:26
  Well, yeah, how much of our own government has been compromised through, you know, bribery, blackmail, etcetera, through the communist? Like, they were the experts at that. Even, you know, the discussion about using children and pedophilia. I mean, that was one of the major KGB initiatives was using children and pedophilia as a blackmail operation. I mean, is that correct in in your understanding as well?
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: That's that's correct. And I speaking of the CCP, I recently learned a stunning fact. So, yes, we do have actually corruption of our own politicians being in the hands of the CCP. But the CCP, the fact I learned is that we have that the CCP spends 16,000,000,000, with a b, $16,000,000,000 a year on political warfare initiatives against The United States. That means you have this enormous military expenditure in the CCP dedicated just to undermining our interests.
• 13:17
  I don't think they were as fast to the woke concept as they could have been. I think they were latecomers to the game, but I think they've also figured it out, and they run massive information war or propaganda warfare against us on those lines. They run massive warfare in the climate change arena. And like I said that or like you said, actually, that also includes having purchased not just our land in strategic locations, but also many of our politicians or bending them over a blackmail barrel, so to speak, and making sure that they act in the CCP's interests. Our business environment where it isn't just outright making corrupt deals has an overwhelming desire to play in the c the the Chinese market, which is the largest consumer market in the world, although India is starting to catch up.
• 14:03
  And, of course, India is going woke faster than you can possibly imagine. The Indians are freaking out about how quickly they're going woke there. But the CCP, if you want to be in the Chinese market, if you want access to that 1,300,000,000 consumers, with a lot of whom now have disposable income and do not spend it responsibly because it's the first time in their lives they've had it, if you want access to that extremely lucrative market, you play by the CCP's rules, so your business now makes deals, sweetheart deals to the CCP. Some of those deals are just, you know, behave this way, say that, never criticize us, blah blah blah, but some of them are a lot nastier. Dennis Kucinich, the former congressman was on Democrat, by the way, was on was on TimCast recently, Tim Pool's podcast a month or two ago, and said that when he was in office about ten years ago, that Boeing sent lobbyists routinely and said that the price of admission into the Chinese aircraft market for Boeing was going to be to hand over prototypes, and so they were trying to lobby Congress to change the law to allow the allow it to be that we would give the Chinese Communist Party, you know, aircraft technology.
• 15:14
  Usually, the game is something like if you want us to allow, say Boeing, an aircraft manufacturer into our market, you need to hand over prototypes, let's say for landing gear, and we will manufacture the landing gear from now on, and now all of a sudden, an essential component is no longer being manufactured here and China gains a strategic advantage, plus obtains the technology that normally, the way we, I guess, won, a lot of people say we didn't win the Cold War, but the way that we won at least the external Cold War, the visible US versus USSR, where there is no USSR now officially, was in fact by embargoing technology from them. It was illegal. It was supposedly a high crime to deliver technology to the Soviets, and totalitarian states are not known for their innovation, so they weren't able to come up with a lot of things, they have to steal it. Well, here, they can set the price of admission to that giant market as as to give away technology. And so when you have both of those things happening, and then you have, say, at Davos, at the World Economic Forum, big meetings to coordinate a public private partnership where the public sector and the private sector merge into a hyphenated single public private sector, well, now you have a real problem on your hands when both sides have massive incentives to play according to communist rules.
• 16:35
  And that doesn't even count the internal infiltration, the internal homegrown communism that is undeniably a major current of the last fifty years of American history under the critical theory guys.
• 16:48
  Seth Holehouse: One thing also just pertaining to technology is I know that a lot of looking at our grid and our infrastructure. Right? So, you know, Trump put put forth an EO, I think it was in 2019 or '20 I think it was 2020 perhaps, that banned, basically any, you know, hostile nation or state from having any access to our our technology, right, for our grid. And so I think a lot that was based on in 2019, because I interviewed a guy named John Hollerman, who's on the he's he's, like, the deputy director of a commission specifically looking at on hardening our grid and looking at threats to the grid. In 2018, a commission took one of these massive transformers that are the backbone of our entire grid, and it was from China, and they they took a a deep look at it and discovered that there was a backdoor in this transformer where literally the transformer could be turned off from from China.
• 17:35
  So this is our our infrastructure. Like, this is our grid infrastructure that literally has a backdoor that Xi Jinping could walk in, press a button, and shut down the grid in America. Like, that's how much power they've we've we've given them.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Right. Yeah. So it turns out that this was a very savvy maneuver by Deng Xiaoping in the late seventies and through the eighties, what he called his, one country, two systems model, which he orchestrated not on his own, he didn't come up with this by himself, to allow a kind of fascist production model to rule under or to operate underneath the rule of the CCP, the communist so the two systems were communist governance and a fascist business environment where private interests could pursue profits with state owned capital. So that's the way orchestrated that system in conjunction with US State Department, particularly Henry Kissinger. Brzezinski was involved.
• 18:29
  David Rockefeller was involved, who also has funded virtually every communist program that's ever happened in The United States in one way or another. That's, of course, a little hyperbole. I'm just, you know, I don't want to get sued for over speaking, I'm just being a little glib there, but it's a lot of them, and so it's, this was a joint project, and I think, you know, if we try to be as kind, I don't, I actually think Kissinger is in on the program, but if we try to be as charitable as possible, then what we would have to conclude is that the greed of this business environment and political environment was in fact our long term undoing by giving away our entire strategic program to China. But what I want to focus on for a second is that one country, two systems approach that Deng Xiaoping put forth, because a lot of people know about Mao Zedong or a little bit about him anyway, but they don't know about Deng Xiaoping at all, and this is very important because what it represents is that about 1980, plus or minus a couple of years, there began a massive evolutionary change or evolutionary leap, a mutation, if you will, in communist praxis and communist activity, where all of a sudden now, a quasi fascist production model was being imported into communism, which shifts attention away from the workers and onto the managers, which creates this managerial space in which the managers run the vanguard of the revolution.
• 19:55
  So we go from workers councils as Soviets to stakeholder councils where the elite managerial experts are the, you know, organizers of society, but also the ideology holders who are going to transition us to a new world system. And this is a crucial change for people to understand who are dismissive of all of this. Yeah. China's not purely communist in the old school Marxist Leninist style. It evolved in the nineteen eighties, and because it became the manufacturing backbone of the world and became a gigantic gave itself a gigantic strategic advantage in that in almost every domain you can imagine because of that, communism evolved to a new model, and that model is corporate or managerial communism that we're now dealing with today.
• 20:41
  So when people say, well, Kamala Harris can't be a communist because she's pro big business. Yeah. Right. She's pro the quasi fascist oligarchical or monopoly driven business model that enables this, you know, third generation of communism. You know, if we consider Marx's kind of very religious communism as the first generation, very industrial state driven model of the Soviets as the second generation.
• 21:07
  We've now got this corporate model or managerial model that's a third generation, and Kamala Harris seems to align with that virtually perfectly, and that's exactly what we're being moved through. So until people can release, you know, the ghosts, in some sense, of the twentieth century and open their mind up a little bit to understand that communism is like an organism that has changed its approach, then they they're not gonna be able to understand what's going on. And so this is the big push that I've had lately is push this understanding that communism evolved. It changed. And what we're facing is just a new version of the same old bad religion.
• 21:45
  Seth Holehouse: And so looking at America, would you say that America is right now undergoing a a communist overthrow? And if so, what stage would you say that we're in in that overthrow process?
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. We are certainly. We've already if we use Yuri Beznamov's stages, four stages of demoralization, and then destabilization, and then crisis, and then renormalization. We have already gone through demoralization, but luckily, Trump came along and said fake news, and we started to wake up from our demoralization. We started to be able to perceive again that there might be, you know, a media lie, a Marxist press lying to us, and that we might actually be able to see reality and gather evidence for ourselves.
• 22:29
  So that is a competing force, but we've certainly been through demoralization, generations of miseducation, generations of outright propaganda on our media telling us a false story, which, of course, was supercharged in 2013 by Obama, allowing our intelligence community to do psychological operations through the media on the American population directly. So we're through demoralization. We are at the, in my opinion, near the end phases destabilization. The last four years, whether it's COVID, whether it's all the riots, whether it's the constant one thing after another, whether it's the border, they are trying to destabilize our country, and we, therefore, are at a tipping point into crisis. I think we've just watched with the massive labor victory and the appointment of Kirsstarmer as Prime Minister of Britain, noting that most of those labor party members and Kirsstarmer himself are Fabian socialists, which is a form of English form of communism.
• 23:29
  We're we're now watching them very rapidly flood into crisis, and the crisis phase is not to last very long, and I think the attempted assassination of Donald Trump was meant to push us into crisis, and we will see more attempts to push us into crisis. And, of course, the crisis will be the pretext, as we're seeing from Kirstarmer, for clamping down, declaring brutal two tiered law in order to quiet the unrest with a clear favorite and a clear enemy class, And then renormalization will have this split society between the favored tokens of society and the the elite party class, the red class, as Mao called them, and then the enemy class that has to be destroyed. And Lenin again, this all comes from Lenin, really, borrowing from Marx and Engels. Going back to Lenin, he said that the point of the dictatorship of the proletariat, the point of that seized power in two tier system is specifically to stamp out and suppress the privileged elements of society. That was exactly the way he phrased it.
• 24:29
  Its main purpose is not even to govern. It's not even to distribute goods or services. It's not to organize and run the economy. It is to stamp out their class enemies, and that will be the fourth stage. But I think we are at the tipping point.
• 24:43
  We're at the very end of stage two of that four stage process, and stage three looms. And I think they've tried to trigger it more than once already. But again, stage three is crisis.
• 24:55
  Seth Holehouse: And so in this, I I think that educating the masses is one of the most important things to counteract this. And that's something you've been doing. It's it's really behind the efforts of what I'm doing as well as help people see what's actually going on. Now I showed a trailer for beneath sheep's clothing, a document that just came out this past week. I'll pull up the website here.
• 25:13
  So website, which is beneathsheep'sclothing.movie, which will be in the description below. People can go watch it right now. So tell us about Beneath Sheep's Clothing and why it's important to watch right now. And I would say that most of the people watching this show would agree if you said com you know, America's undergoing a communist overthrow. They'd like, yeah.
• 25:33
  Of course. We know it. We're seeing it. We're watching it. Why is this movie important right now for the American people to see?
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Well, kind of the punchline is communism is not coming. It's here. That's one of the taglines for the film. It's not coming. It's here.
• 25:47
  And this movie shows what's happening and tells the big picture story better than anything that's out there. Plus, it's got, you know, absolutely incredible production quality, great artistic vision. It's engaging. I keep hearing from people that when they start watching it, they think they're going to watch some and come back. They can't stop watching it.
• 26:06
  They have to finish it right away, and they'll watch it again. I've heard from people who it just came out, like, less than a week ago, and I'm hearing people that have watched it, you know, 10 or 12 times already, and they're showing all their friends. It's just incredible how how stirring it is for people who are watching it. But it's crucial to do this because, you know, I've written books, I've given lectures, I've done a million shows such as yours, and not really a million, maybe like literally 2,000, though, over the past few years, and all of and, you know, I'm a social media warrior, so to speak, and all of that moves the ball a little bit, but nothing moves the ball like a movie, like being able to sit down and just watch. Think about when Al Gore put out An Inconvenient Truth in February about climate change.
• 26:49
  Think about, I mean, it's a little more niche, but Blackfish, which was about the abuses of the animals at SeaWorld. Think about when they recently put out the film a few years ago, the creepy line talking about what's going on behind the scenes in Google. People can sit down for an hour and a half or thereabouts, watch something engaging, that's driven with a good musical score, with visuals that tell the story in a different way than slogging through a book or listening to another interview can possibly achieve. And so we wanted that piece of stirring artwork that also tells the story out there. And I, know, I was I hate to say positive things about things that I did.
• 27:30
  I'm kind of far too modest for that. But since I didn't actually make the film, I'm just in it. I can't it really shocked me how well the filmmaker, his name is Steve Sorensen, how how shockingly well he put this thing together. Just it's just fabulous moving the story. And like I said, it's engaging.
• 27:49
  I don't watch anything at all. I don't watch movies. And I've watched this movie, not just because I'm in it. In fact, that's a reason not to watch it for me. I've watched this movie over and over again, myself.
• 27:59
  It's just absolutely great at telling the story. It's got great people who know a lot about what's going on. Alex Newman talks about education in a way a lot of Americans will be shocked to hear. Trevor Loudon is one of the most motivating people and most learned people on this subject. We have people who lived in Soviet Union, including a man, Timothy, who was massively persecuted for his faith.
• 28:20
  He was a member of what was called the famous Siberian Seven, who sits down and gives an interview about what the Soviet Union did to people of faith. And we have education experts like Lisa Logan really weighing in. Of course, I feature in the film as well, and Julie Behling wrote the book based on her experience living in Russia right after the fall of the Soviet Union for two years and her master's degree and a double master's in Russian literature and history, because she said when she was in Russia, she learned, first of all, that they couldn't stamp religion out of the people, but she also learned what their attempt was. They learned she learned the pattern and the code the Soviet Union used to try to destroy people's faith, And she saw the same things happening in America and dedicated herself to studying it and trying to expose it. So it really hits.
• 29:04
  It really, really hits.
• 29:06
  Seth Holehouse: So you mentioned the importance of movies and documentaries and helping to kind of shake someone out of the slumber. And I can say for me, it was Curtis Bowers agenda. That was one of the movies that when I saw it, it, like, it it connected everything at that time for me. And I I brought in all my friends and families. You have to watch this documentary.
• 29:24
  And even people that kind of oblivious to US politics or just, you know, watching Fox News, they they watched it, and and it really changed their thinking and opened their eyes. And I think that, you know, a lot of the people that are watching this show, they know what's going on. Right? But they're looking for tools to use to help their friends and family understand what's going on. And That's right.
• 29:43
  This is this is where, like, incredibly well produced documentaries are one of the best tools. And so that's why I'll pull the website again, I highly encourage folks to watch the show for themselves. But, also, this is the kind of show you buy it, and you you say, hey. You know, hey. You know, your mom and dad or your your sister, know, people that even maybe if they're they're more left leaning, it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum because most people in America, regardless of their political views, actually want freedom.
• 30:09
  Right? It's it's it's the or the that Maoist class warfare that we think that half the country is evil, the other half is is righteous and perfect. Right? But this, as I see it, is one of the greatest tools that people can use to help people because this is where the battle's at. It's taking the people that don't really know what's happening.
• 30:26
  They can't understand why they feel like there's so much chaos everywhere. They can't make sense of it. They don't know who to blame. It's documentaries like Beneath Sheets Clothing that help point them in the direction and help give them that that moment of like, oh, so this is what you've been telling me about. So James, I thank you for the work that you've done.
• 30:45
  You're you're a very important voice out there. I I you're you're always welcome on my show. Anything you wanna talk about, I'd love to have conversations with you. But most importantly, coming out of this interview, I highly encourage folks to go to beneathsheep'sclothing.movie, watch the film, watch it with your friends and family, go to your church. You have a have a movie showing at your church where you can invite people in to see it, because we have to get more Americans to understand that, like you mentioned, that we're at the end of the, you know, phase two.
• 31:12
  We're entering into the crisis phase, which is gonna really uproot a lot of our stability. And after that comes in the the renormalization of living under communism, and we can't let that happen.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's exactly right. Well, thank you so much. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, and I look forward to the next time too.
• 31:27
  Seth Holehouse: Awesome. Thank you, James. Take care, man. Folks, going online without ExpressVPN is like leaving your laptop unattended at the coffee shop while you run to the bathroom. Most of the time, you're probably fine.
• 31:37
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• 32:00
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• 32:16
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