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Exploring the Intersection of Music and Business: Our Journey · Music Explored Podcast

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  No,
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  no,
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  that's
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  great.
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  That's
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  great.
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  We're
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  going
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  to
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  call
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  this
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  segment
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  of
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  this
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  show
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  get
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  to
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  Know
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  Us.
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  So
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  myself
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  I've
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  been
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  a
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  musician
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time.
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  I
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  play
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  bass,
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  their
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  instruments
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  but
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  bass
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  is
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  my
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  main
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  thing
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  and
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  I
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  started
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  a
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  company
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  called
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  the
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  DNA
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  Project
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  and
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  what
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  we
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  do
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  is
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  we
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  book
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  musicians.
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  So
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  just
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  providing
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  work
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  for
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  musicians,
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  artists.
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  We
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  started
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  off
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  mainly
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  for
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  corporate
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  work.
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  Corporate
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  and
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  weddings
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  and
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  it's
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  grown
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  to,
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  I
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  mean
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  we
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  do
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  artists
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  work,
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  we
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  back
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  artists
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  and
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  everything
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  music
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  related
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  has
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  kind
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  of
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  been
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  or
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  I
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  should
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  say
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  live
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  music
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  has.
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  Live
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  music
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  related
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  has
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  kind
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  of
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  been
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  our
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  thing
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  in
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  a
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  nutshell.
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  Cool.
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  We
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  should
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  talk
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  because
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  I'm
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  in
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  the
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  midst
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  of
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  what
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  we
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  are
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  I
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  guess
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  but
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  we're
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  in
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  the
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  midst
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  of
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  like
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  booking
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  our
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  2022.
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  Is
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  it
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  2021
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  or
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  20?
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  I'm
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  so
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  21
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  right
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  now.
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  It's
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  21.
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  I
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  put
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  2020
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  on
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  a
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  form
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  yesterday.
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  It.
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  That
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  year
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  is
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  forever.
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  Yeah,
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  right.
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  But
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  yeah,
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  we're
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  in
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  the
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  midst
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  of
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  booking
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  our
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  next
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  year's
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  artist
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  so
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  I'm
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  sure
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  you
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  have
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  connections
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  to
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  some,
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  some
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  great
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  artists
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  that.
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  Yeah,
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  we
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  should
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  chat
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  after
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  this
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  and
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  I'll
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  connect
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  you
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  with
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  our
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  content
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  team
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  and
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  they
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  can
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  let
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  we're
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  looking
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  for
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  and
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  maybe
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  we
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  can
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  find
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  something
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  there.
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  But
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  that's
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  cool.
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  Yeah,
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  yeah.
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  So
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  along
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  with
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  helping
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  Anthony
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  at
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  the
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  DNA
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  project,
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  me
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  and
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  Matt
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  have
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  film
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  an
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  audio
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  studio
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  called
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  the
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  mpl
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  which
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  I'm
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  actually
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  at
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  right
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  now.
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  Oh
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  nice.
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  And
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  Matt's
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  on
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  the
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  other
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  side.
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  Yeah,
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  Matt's
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  over
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  there.
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  So
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  we're
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  in
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  two
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  separate
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  rooms
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  doing
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  this
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  virtually
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  and
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  we
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  kind
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  of
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  partnered
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  up
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  and
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  has
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  started
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  this
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  audio
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  and
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  film
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  studio
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  where
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  we
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  film
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  and
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  do
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  great
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  music
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  with
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  a
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  lot
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  a
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  bunch
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  of
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  bands.
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  Matt's
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  also
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  an
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  engineer.
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  I'll
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  let
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  Matt
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  tell
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  his
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  story.
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  But
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  yeah,
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  entrepreneur
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  slash
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  vocalists.
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  Are
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  my
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  hats
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  awesome.
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  I
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  am
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  Matt
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  and
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  this
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  is
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  my
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  story.
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  Yeah,
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  we
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  just
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  I
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  think
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  add
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  kind
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  of
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  trailblazed
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  this
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  sort
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  of
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  thing.
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  I,
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  I,
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  I
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  was
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  always
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  interested
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  in
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  music
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  but
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  also
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  in
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  film
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  and
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  also
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  in
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  photography
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  and
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  also
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  in
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  you
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  know,
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  this
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  and
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  that
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  and
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  even
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  though
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  I,
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  I
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  love
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  them
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  all,
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  I
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  kind
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  of,
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  I
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  shouldn't
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  say
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  bored
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  but
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  I
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  get
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  antsy
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  just
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  doing
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  one
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  thing.
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  So
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  I
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  ended
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  up
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  coming
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  up
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  with
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  sort
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  of
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  multi
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  studios
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  under
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  one
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  roof
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  kind
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  of
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  situation
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  and
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  then
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  I
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  needed
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  a
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  pro's
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  help
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  to
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  get
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  this
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  actually
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  working.
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  So
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  Tariki
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  and
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  I
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  are
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  working
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  together
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  and
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  we
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  built
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  something
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  beautiful.
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  So
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  that's
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  who
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  we
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  are
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  and
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  that's
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  what
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  we
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  do.
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  And
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  we
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  also
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  have
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  a
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  sweet
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  Spot
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  for
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  drums
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  because
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  that's
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  where
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  I
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  started.
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  And
• 2:47
  Duriki
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  picks
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  up
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  drums
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  like
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  no
• 2:49
  one
• 2:50
  I've
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  ever
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  seen
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  before.
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  And
• 2:51
  he's
• 2:51
  ambidextrous
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  and
• 2:52
  he
• 2:52
  just
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  switches
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  between
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  left
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  and
• 2:53
  right.
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  Like
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  it's
• 2:54
  not
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  a
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  big.
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  Yeah,
• 2:56
  you
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  know
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  those
• 2:57
  people.
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  It's
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  so
• 2:58
  weird
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  how.
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  I've
• 3:02
  never
• 3:02
  played
• 3:02
  this
• 3:02
  instrument
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  before.
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  Is
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  it
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  really
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  natural?
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  Been
• 3:05
  watching
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  Drummy
• 3:06
  Odials
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  for
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  the
• 3:07
  last
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  two
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  years
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  on
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  subconscious
• 3:10
  stuff.
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  I
• 3:11
  don't
• 3:11
  know.
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  You
• 3:12
  can
• 3:12
  watch
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  all
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  the
• 3:12
  videos
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  ever
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  and
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  I
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  still.
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  Well,
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  now
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  maybe
• 3:16
  I
• 3:16
  can
• 3:16
  after
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  decades
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  of
• 3:18
  practice.
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  But
• 3:18
  just
• 3:18
  switching
• 3:19
  your
• 3:19
  hands
• 3:20
  and
• 3:20
  continuing
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  play
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  same
• 3:21
  rhythm
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  is
• 3:22
  not
• 3:22
  something
• 3:23
  that
• 3:23
  just
• 3:23
  comes
• 3:23
  naturally.
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  Doesn't
• 3:24
  come
• 3:24
  naturally
• 3:24
  unless
• 3:25
  you're
• 3:25
  Doriki.
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  Well,
• 3:27
  now
• 3:28
  that
• 3:28
  you
• 3:28
  know
• 3:29
  who
• 3:29
  we
• 3:29
  are,
• 3:29
  let's
• 3:30
  talk
• 3:30
  about
• 3:30
  what
• 3:30
  we
• 3:30
  have
• 3:31
  in
• 3:31
  common.
• 3:31
  You
• 3:31
  kind
• 3:31
  of
• 3:32
  gave
• 3:32
  up,
• 3:33
  showed
• 3:33
  some
• 3:33
  of
• 3:33
  your
• 3:33
  cards
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  when
• 3:34
  you
• 3:34
  mentioned
• 3:34
  hockey.
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  You're
• 3:36
  Canadian,
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  you're
• 3:37
  in
• 3:37
  Canada
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  and.
• 3:39
  Yes,
• 3:39
  I'm
• 3:39
  in
• 3:39
  British
• 3:39
  Columbia.
• 3:40
  Yeah.
• 3:41
  So
• 3:41
  people
• 3:41
  sometimes
• 3:41
  don't
• 3:42
  realize
• 3:42
  that
• 3:42
  because
• 3:43
  most
• 3:44
  Canadians
• 3:44
  in
• 3:45
  major
• 3:45
  cities
• 3:45
  are
• 3:45
  chameleons.
• 3:46
  Are
• 3:46
  American
• 3:46
  chameleons,
• 3:47
  basically.
• 3:47
  And
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  can't
• 3:48
  tell
• 3:48
  from
• 3:48
  our
• 3:48
  accent
• 3:49
  or
• 3:50
  from
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  content
• 3:50
  we
• 3:51
  make
• 3:51
  that
• 3:51
  we're
• 3:51
  actually
• 3:51
  up
• 3:52
  in
• 3:52
  Canada.
• 3:53
  And
• 3:53
  I'm
• 3:54
  wondering
• 3:54
  if
• 3:54
  you
• 3:54
  could
• 3:55
  shed
• 3:56
  some
• 3:56
  light
• 3:57
  onto
• 3:58
  why.
• 3:59
  Because
• 3:59
  I
• 4:00
  would
• 4:00
  argue,
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  wouldn't
• 4:01
  even
• 4:01
  argue.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  would
• 4:01
  just
• 4:01
  state
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  Drumeo
• 4:03
  is
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  biggest
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  its
• 4:04
  kind
• 4:05
  in
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  world.
• 4:06
  Right.
• 4:06
  It's
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  biggest
• 4:07
  hub
• 4:07
  for
• 4:08
  drummers.
• 4:08
  Why
• 4:09
  do
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  think
• 4:09
  that
• 4:09
  happened
• 4:10
  in
• 4:10
  Canada
• 4:10
  and
• 4:10
  not
• 4:11
  in
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  States
• 4:11
  or
• 4:12
  in
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  UK
• 4:12
  or
• 4:13
  in
• 4:13
  Australia,
• 4:13
  in
• 4:13
  any
• 4:13
  of
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  other
• 4:14
  bigger
• 4:15
  English
• 4:15
  speaking,
• 4:16
  far
• 4:17
  reaching
• 4:17
  countries?
• 4:19
  Why?
• 4:20
  Why
• 4:20
  did
• 4:20
  that
• 4:21
  happen?
• 4:21
  Why?
• 4:25
  Man,
• 4:25
  that's
• 4:26
  a
• 4:26
  huge
• 4:26
  question.
• 4:27
  Why
• 4:27
  did
• 4:27
  that
• 4:27
  happen?
• 4:29
  Why?
• 4:29
  Why
• 4:29
  here?
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  don't
• 4:30
  know.
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  feel
• 4:31
  like
• 4:31
  I
• 4:32
  can
• 4:32
  answer
• 4:32
  most
• 4:32
  questions
• 4:33
  but
• 4:33
  I'm
• 4:33
  not
• 4:33
  sure
• 4:34
  I
• 4:34
  could
• 4:34
  answer
• 4:34
  that
• 4:34
  one.
• 4:35
  Why
• 4:35
  here?
• 4:36
  Well,
• 4:36
  that's
• 4:36
  huge.
• 4:37
  Well,
• 4:37
  I
• 4:38
  don't.
• 4:38
  It's
• 4:38
  a
• 4:38
  great
• 4:38
  question.
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  can't.
• 4:39
  I
• 4:40
  don't
• 4:40
  know
• 4:40
  why,
• 4:40
  you
• 4:41
  know,
• 4:41
  Canadian.
• 4:42
  That's
• 4:42
  why
• 4:43
  I
• 4:44
  think
• 4:44
  I,
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  think
• 4:45
  like,
• 4:45
  you
• 4:45
  know
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  the.
• 4:47
  I,
• 4:47
  we
• 4:48
  kind
• 4:48
  of
• 4:48
  live
• 4:48
  like
• 4:49
  live
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  Canada.
• 4:49
  We're
• 4:50
  under
• 4:50
  Canada's
• 4:51
  jurisdiction,
• 4:51
  set
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  laws
• 4:52
  and
• 4:52
  all
• 4:52
  this
• 4:52
  kind
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  stuff.
• 4:52
  We
• 4:53
  have
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  operate
• 4:53
  within
• 4:53
  that.
• 4:54
  And
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  Canadian
• 4:55
  government
• 4:55
  and
• 4:56
  in
• 4:56
  general
• 4:56
  is
• 4:57
  really
• 4:57
  supportive
• 4:57
  of
• 4:58
  tech
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  media.
• 5:00
  Not
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  we're
• 5:01
  getting
• 5:02
  tons
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  money
• 5:02
  or
• 5:03
  anything
• 5:03
  from
• 5:03
  them,
• 5:03
  but
• 5:05
  they
• 5:05
  seem
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  build
• 5:05
  and
• 5:06
  are
• 5:07
  fostering
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  culture
• 5:07
  of
• 5:08
  people
• 5:10
  learning
• 5:10
  these
• 5:10
  types
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  skill
• 5:11
  sets
• 5:11
  like
• 5:13
  coding,
• 5:13
  software
• 5:14
  development.
• 5:15
  When
• 5:16
  I
• 5:16
  put
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  job
• 5:16
  ad
• 5:16
  out
• 5:16
  for
• 5:17
  a
• 5:17
  media
• 5:18
  person,
• 5:18
  like
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  video
• 5:18
  editor,
• 5:19
  audio
• 5:19
  engineer,
• 5:20
  we
• 5:20
  get
• 5:20
  lots
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  applicants.
• 5:21
  There's
• 5:22
  lots
• 5:22
  of
• 5:22
  available
• 5:23
  work.
• 5:23
  I
• 5:24
  know
• 5:24
  other
• 5:24
  people
• 5:24
  are
• 5:24
  struggling
• 5:25
  to
• 5:25
  find
• 5:25
  workers
• 5:26
  now.
• 5:27
  We're
• 5:27
  in
• 5:27
  a
• 5:28
  really
• 5:28
  good
• 5:28
  spot.
• 5:28
  There's
• 5:29
  lots
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  people
• 5:30
  looking
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  do
• 5:31
  what
• 5:31
  we're
• 5:32
  doing.
• 5:33
  Maybe
• 5:34
  there's
• 5:34
  that.
• 5:36
  Maybe
• 5:36
  we
• 5:36
  like,
• 5:36
  like
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  would
• 5:37
  say
• 5:37
  for
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  first
• 5:38
  10
• 5:38
  plus
• 5:38
  years,
• 5:39
  it
• 5:39
  was
• 5:39
  literally
• 5:40
  just
• 5:40
  trying
• 5:40
  not
• 5:40
  to
• 5:40
  go
• 5:40
  bankrupt.
• 5:41
  You
• 5:41
  know,
• 5:41
  I
• 5:42
  went,
• 5:42
  almost
• 5:42
  went
• 5:42
  bankrupt
• 5:43
  multiple
• 5:43
  times.
• 5:44
  So
• 5:44
  I
• 5:45
  don't
• 5:45
  know.
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  don't.
• 5:45
  That's
• 5:46
  why
• 5:46
  there's
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  lot
• 5:46
  of
• 5:46
  luck
• 5:47
  that
• 5:47
  comes
• 5:47
  with
• 5:47
  it.
• 5:48
  The
• 5:48
  timing
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  we
• 5:49
  got
• 5:49
  in
• 5:49
  with
• 5:51
  in
• 5:51
  2008
• 5:52
  when
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  financial
• 5:54
  crisis
• 5:54
  happened,
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
  was
• 5:56
  expecting
• 5:56
  business
• 5:57
  to
• 5:57
  drop,
• 5:57
  but
• 5:57
  I,
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  didn't
• 5:59
  because
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  found
• 6:00
  in,
• 6:00
  in
• 6:00
  hard
• 6:00
  economic
• 6:01
  times,
• 6:02
  people
• 6:02
  actually
• 6:02
  look
• 6:03
  for
• 6:03
  these
• 6:03
  lower
• 6:03
  cost
• 6:04
  solutions.
• 6:05
  And
• 6:05
  we
• 6:05
  had
• 6:06
  that
• 6:06
  at
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  time,
• 6:07
  you
• 6:07
  know,
• 6:07
  whereas
• 6:07
  other
• 6:08
  people
• 6:08
  were
• 6:08
  maybe
• 6:08
  focusing
• 6:09
  on
• 6:09
  trying
• 6:09
  to
• 6:09
  build
• 6:09
  it,
• 6:10
  we
• 6:10
  already
• 6:11
  had
• 6:11
  it.
• 6:11
  When
• 6:12
  Covid
• 6:12
  happened,
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  was,
• 6:13
  you
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  sitting
• 6:14
  on
• 6:14
  my
• 6:14
  couch,
• 6:15
  drinking
• 6:15
  some
• 6:16
  whiskey,
• 6:16
  being
• 6:16
  like,
• 6:16
  oh
• 6:17
  my
• 6:17
  goodness,
• 6:17
  my
• 6:17
  business
• 6:17
  is
• 6:18
  over.
• 6:20
  It
• 6:20
  wasn't,
• 6:22
  it
• 6:22
  wasn't,
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:23
  like
• 6:23
  we
• 6:24
  had
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  bit
• 6:24
  of
• 6:24
  a
• 6:24
  Covid
• 6:25
  bump.
• 6:26
  Nice.
• 6:26
  Because
• 6:27
  of
• 6:27
  everything.
• 6:27
  Yeah.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:28
  it's,
• 6:29
  it
• 6:29
  kind
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  feels
• 6:29
  weird
• 6:30
  because,
• 6:30
  like,
• 6:31
  other
• 6:31
  people
• 6:31
  are
• 6:32
  really
• 6:32
  struggling.
• 6:32
  So.
• 6:33
  Yeah,
• 6:33
  but
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  know,
• 6:34
  we're
• 6:34
  trying
• 6:34
  to
• 6:35
  be
• 6:35
  good
• 6:35
  stewards
• 6:35
  of,
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  the,
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  luck
• 6:37
  that
• 6:38
  we
• 6:38
  got
• 6:38
  along
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  way
• 6:39
  and
• 6:39
  the,
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  know,
• 6:40
  things
• 6:40
  that
• 6:41
  were
• 6:41
  outside
• 6:41
  of
• 6:41
  our
• 6:42
  control.
• 6:42
  Yeah.
• 6:43
  And.
• 6:44
  Yeah,
• 6:44
  but
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  don't
• 6:44
  know
• 6:44
  why
• 6:45
  we're
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  best,
• 6:46
  Matt.
• 6:46
  Or
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  biggest.
• 6:47
  I'm
• 6:47
  not
• 6:48
  saying
• 6:48
  that
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  biggest.
• 6:49
  I'd
• 6:50
  say
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  best
• 6:50
  too.
• 6:52
  You
• 6:52
  say
• 6:52
  the
• 6:53
  best.
• 6:54
  He
• 6:54
  can't
• 6:54
  say
• 6:54
  the
• 6:55
  quotas
• 6:55
  on
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  one.
• 6:57
  Just
• 6:57
  an
• 6:57
  interesting
• 6:58
  phenomenon
• 6:58
  with,
• 6:59
  with
• 6:59
  especially
• 7:00
  Vancouver
• 7:00
  and
• 7:01
  Toronto,
• 7:01
  where
• 7:02
  so
• 7:02
  many
• 7:02
  things
• 7:03
  to.
• 7:03
  To
• 7:04
  all
• 7:04
  of
• 7:04
  our
• 7:04
  listeners
• 7:04
  around
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  world
• 7:05
  that
• 7:07
  seem
• 7:08
  American
• 7:09
  on
• 7:10
  face
• 7:10
  value
• 7:11
  were
• 7:11
  actually
• 7:11
  made
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  Canada.
• 7:13
  You
• 7:13
  know,
• 7:13
  recorded,
• 7:14
  filmed,
• 7:15
  conceptualized,
• 7:16
  edited,
• 7:17
  and
• 7:18
  it's,
• 7:18
  it's
• 7:19
  nice.
• 7:19
  I
• 7:20
  think
• 7:20
  we
• 7:20
  all
• 7:20
  got
• 7:20
  really
• 7:21
  lucky
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  be
• 7:21
  in
• 7:22
  this
• 7:22
  country
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  be
• 7:24
  right
• 7:24
  next
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  States.
• 7:25
  I
• 7:25
  think
• 7:26
  that
• 7:26
  injects
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  lot
• 7:27
  of
• 7:28
  culture
• 7:28
  and
• 7:29
  idea
• 7:29
  and
• 7:29
  money
• 7:30
  into
• 7:30
  what
• 7:30
  we
• 7:31
  all
• 7:31
  do.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:31
  I
• 7:31
  think
• 7:31
  that's
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  great
• 7:32
  position
• 7:33
  to
• 7:33
  be
• 7:33
  in.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:34
  look
• 7:34
  out
• 7:34
  whenever
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  like
• 7:36
  something
• 7:36
  out
• 7:36
  there,
• 7:37
  folks,
• 7:37
  look
• 7:37
  it
• 7:38
  up
• 7:38
  and
• 7:38
  see
• 7:38
  if
• 7:38
  it's
• 7:38
  Canadian,
• 7:39
  because
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  might
• 7:39
  very
• 7:40
  well
• 7:40
  be.
• 7:43
  Exactly.
• 7:44
  We're
• 7:44
  tricksters.
• 7:46
  My
• 7:46
  dad
• 7:46
  always
• 7:46
  says
• 7:46
  I
• 7:47
  was
• 7:47
  born
• 7:48
  in
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  lucky
• 7:48
  sperm
• 7:49
  club
• 7:50
  because,
• 7:50
  you
• 7:50
  know,
• 7:50
  I'm
• 7:50
  born
• 7:50
  in
• 7:51
  Canada,
• 7:53
  born
• 7:54
  in
• 7:54
  Canada,
• 7:55
  great
• 7:55
  parents,
• 7:56
  you
• 7:56
  know,
• 7:56
  not
• 7:57
  a
• 7:57
  lot
• 7:57
  of,
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:58
  hardships
• 7:58
  growing
• 7:59
  up.
• 7:59
  Like,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  was
• 7:59
  very
• 7:59
  lucky.
• 8:00
  I
• 8:00
  didn't
• 8:00
  get
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  choose
• 8:01
  that,
• 8:01
  you
• 8:02
  know,
• 8:02
  lucky
• 8:02
  sperm
• 8:03
  club.
• 8:04
  I'M
• 8:04
  using
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  one
• 8:07
  type
• 8:08
  of
• 8:08
  conversation
• 8:08
  as
• 8:08
  well.
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  love
• 8:10
  it.
• 8:10
  That's
• 8:10
  hilarious.
• 8:12
  We.
• 8:12
  We
• 8:12
  have
• 8:12
  far
• 8:13
  more
• 8:13
  sperm
• 8:13
  conversations
• 8:14
  than
• 8:14
  we
• 8:14
  expected
• 8:14
  on
• 8:15
  this
• 8:15
  podcast.
• 8:16
  Okay,
• 8:16
  that's
• 8:17
  good.
• 8:18
  We
• 8:19
  haven't
• 8:19
  had
• 8:19
  any.
• 8:19
  Lucky.
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  always
• 8:22
  love
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  moments
• 8:23
  where
• 8:23
  Anthony
• 8:23
  kind
• 8:23
  of
• 8:24
  just
• 8:24
  looks
• 8:24
  away
• 8:24
  and
• 8:24
  he's
• 8:25
  like,
• 8:25
  I'm
• 8:25
  going
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  wait
• 8:26
  till
• 8:26
  things.
• 8:26
  Calm
• 8:27
  down
• 8:28
  at
• 8:28
  point.
• 8:29
  Yeah,
• 8:30
  I
• 8:31
  wrote
• 8:31
  it
• 8:31
  down
• 8:31
  right
• 8:31
  there.
• 8:32
  Lucky
• 8:32
  sperm.
• 8:32
  I'm
• 8:32
  taking
• 8:33
  notes.
• 8:36
  Genius
• 8:36
  leaves
• 8:37
  clues.
• 8:37
  So
• 8:37
  I'm
• 8:37
  not
• 8:37
  going
• 8:37
  to
• 8:38
  discriminate
• 8:39
  if
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  hear
• 8:39
  it.
• 8:39
  I'm
• 8:39
  writing
• 8:39
  this
• 8:40
  down.
• 8:42
  Jared,
• 8:42
  I
• 8:42
  have
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  question
• 8:43
  for
• 8:43
  you.
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  know
• 8:43
  we're
• 8:44
  going
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  talk
• 8:44
  about
• 8:44
  some
• 8:45
  more
• 8:45
  music
• 8:45
  things,
• 8:45
  but
• 8:46
  being
• 8:46
  a
• 8:47
  musician
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  you
• 8:48
  mentioned
• 8:49
  kind
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  the
• 8:50
  learning
• 8:50
  curve
• 8:50
  and
• 8:51
  having
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  make
• 8:51
  adjustments
• 8:52
  to
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  business
• 8:53
  side
• 8:53
  of
• 8:53
  things,
• 8:54
  being
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  teacher
• 8:55
  and
• 8:55
  understanding
• 8:56
  the
• 8:57
  value
• 8:57
  in.
• 8:58
  In
• 8:58
  learning
• 8:58
  and
• 8:58
  teaching.
• 8:59
  Have
• 9:00
  you
• 9:00
  had
• 9:00
  any
• 9:00
  coaching
• 9:01
  or
• 9:01
  any
• 9:02
  business
• 9:02
  teaching
• 9:03
  anything
• 9:04
  along
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  way
• 9:04
  as
• 9:04
  you've.
• 9:05
  As
• 9:05
  your
• 9:05
  business
• 9:05
  has
• 9:06
  grown?
• 9:06
  Any
• 9:07
  mentors
• 9:07
  maybe?
• 9:08
  Okay.
• 9:09
  Yeah.
• 9:10
  So
• 9:11
  I
• 9:12
  started
• 9:12
  this
• 9:12
  with
• 9:12
  a
• 9:12
  guy
• 9:13
  named
• 9:13
  Rick
• 9:13
  Kettner.
• 9:13
  He
• 9:14
  was
• 9:14
  my
• 9:14
  business
• 9:14
  partner.
• 9:14
  He's.
• 9:15
  Since
• 9:15
  we've
• 9:15
  since
• 9:16
  parted
• 9:16
  ways,
• 9:17
  we're
• 9:17
  still
• 9:17
  good
• 9:17
  friends.
• 9:18
  But
• 9:19
  he
• 9:19
  was
• 9:20
  really
• 9:20
  influential
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  early
• 9:21
  days
• 9:22
  in
• 9:22
  that
• 9:22
  he
• 9:23
  dropped
• 9:23
  out
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  high
• 9:23
  school
• 9:24
  when
• 9:24
  he
• 9:24
  was
• 9:24
  15.
• 9:25
  He
• 9:26
  went
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  work
• 9:26
  for
• 9:26
  Palm
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  Texas.
• 9:28
  You
• 9:28
  know
• 9:28
  the
• 9:29
  old
• 9:29
  Palm
• 9:29
  Pilots?
• 9:30
  Yeah,
• 9:30
  yeah,
• 9:30
  yeah.
• 9:31
  So
• 9:31
  he
• 9:31
  was
• 9:31
  part
• 9:31
  of
• 9:32
  that.
• 9:32
  And.
• 9:33
  And
• 9:33
  so
• 9:34
  he
• 9:34
  was
• 9:34
  one
• 9:34
  who
• 9:34
  really
• 9:34
  kind
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  figured
• 9:35
  out
• 9:35
  how
• 9:35
  to
• 9:35
  put
• 9:36
  videos
• 9:36
  online
• 9:36
  in
• 9:37
  2003,
• 9:38
  how
• 9:38
  to,
• 9:39
  you
• 9:39
  know,
• 9:39
  we
• 9:39
  sold
• 9:40
  videos
• 9:40
  where
• 9:40
  the
• 9:41
  links
• 9:41
  would
• 9:41
  expire
• 9:42
  after
• 9:42
  24
• 9:42
  hours
• 9:42
  because
• 9:43
  we
• 9:43
  didn't
• 9:43
  want
• 9:43
  people
• 9:43
  to
• 9:44
  have
• 9:44
  just
• 9:44
  a
• 9:44
  link
• 9:44
  to
• 9:45
  download
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  content
• 9:46
  anytime.
• 9:47
  Right.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:49
  he
• 9:49
  figured
• 9:49
  that
• 9:49
  out
• 9:49
  and
• 9:50
  he
• 9:50
  did
• 9:50
  a
• 9:50
  lot
• 9:50
  of
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  editing
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  stuff
• 9:51
  like
• 9:51
  that
• 9:51
  in
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  early
• 9:52
  days
• 9:52
  as
• 9:53
  well
• 9:53
  as
• 9:53
  he
• 9:53
  was
• 9:54
  really
• 9:54
  fun
• 9:54
  to
• 9:54
  jam
• 9:54
  with
• 9:55
  just
• 9:55
  on
• 9:55
  business
• 9:55
  stuff
• 9:56
  like
• 9:57
  business
• 9:57
  theory,
• 9:58
  talking
• 9:58
  about
• 9:59
  what
• 9:59
  we're
• 9:59
  going
• 10:00
  to
• 10:00
  do
• 10:00
  next,
• 10:00
  what
• 10:00
  projects
• 10:01
  we're
• 10:01
  going
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  tackle,
• 10:02
  how
• 10:02
  we're
• 10:02
  going
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  fund
• 10:03
  it,
• 10:03
  all
• 10:03
  that
• 10:03
  kind
• 10:03
  of
• 10:03
  stuff.
• 10:05
  Like
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  said,
• 10:05
  my
• 10:05
  dad
• 10:05
  and
• 10:06
  my
• 10:06
  grandpa
• 10:06
  were
• 10:06
  huge.
• 10:08
  But
• 10:08
  probably
• 10:09
  one
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  best
• 10:09
  things
• 10:09
  I
• 10:10
  ever
• 10:10
  did
• 10:10
  was
• 10:13
  I
• 10:13
  got
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  private
• 10:13
  business
• 10:14
  coach
• 10:15
  around
• 10:15
  2016,
• 10:17
  maybe.
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  think
• 10:18
  it
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  2016.
• 10:20
  It
• 10:20
  was
• 10:20
  expensive.
• 10:22
  This
• 10:22
  guy
• 10:22
  named
• 10:22
  Naksh
• 10:23
  Kochar,
• 10:24
  he's
• 10:24
  actually
• 10:24
  out
• 10:25
  in
• 10:25
  Saskatchewan
• 10:26
  and
• 10:27
  he
• 10:27
  runs
• 10:27
  his
• 10:27
  own
• 10:27
  business
• 10:28
  as
• 10:28
  well.
• 10:28
  He
• 10:28
  used
• 10:28
  to
• 10:28
  work
• 10:29
  for
• 10:29
  Hitachi
• 10:31
  in
• 10:31
  Japan,
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  believe,
• 10:32
  where
• 10:32
  he
• 10:33
  was
• 10:34
  high
• 10:34
  up
• 10:35
  in
• 10:35
  finance.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:36
  so
• 10:36
  when
• 10:36
  he
• 10:36
  came
• 10:36
  in,
• 10:37
  he's
• 10:37
  like,
• 10:38
  okay,
• 10:38
  where's
• 10:38
  your
• 10:38
  budget?
• 10:39
  I
• 10:40
  don't
• 10:40
  do
• 10:40
  budgets,
• 10:40
  man.
• 10:41
  I'm
• 10:41
  not
• 10:41
  doing
• 10:41
  budgets.
• 10:42
  I
• 10:42
  just
• 10:42
  run
• 10:42
  this
• 10:43
  thing
• 10:43
  like
• 10:43
  it's
• 10:43
  you
• 10:43
  know,
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  just
• 10:44
  decide
• 10:44
  what
• 10:44
  I'm
• 10:45
  gonna
• 10:45
  do.
• 10:45
  It's
• 10:45
  like
• 10:46
  you
• 10:46
  need
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  budget,
• 10:46
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  need
• 10:47
  a
• 10:47
  budget.
• 10:47
  You
• 10:48
  need
• 10:48
  to
• 10:48
  know
• 10:48
  where
• 10:48
  your
• 10:48
  money's
• 10:48
  going.
• 10:49
  You
• 10:49
  need
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  forecast
• 10:50
  how
• 10:50
  much
• 10:50
  you're
• 10:50
  gonna
• 10:51
  spend,
• 10:51
  how
• 10:51
  much
• 10:51
  you're
• 10:51
  gonna
• 10:52
  make
• 10:52
  so
• 10:52
  you
• 10:52
  could
• 10:53
  accurately
• 10:53
  make
• 10:54
  decisions,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:55
  know,
• 10:55
  because
• 10:55
  so
• 10:55
  much
• 10:56
  at
• 10:56
  this
• 10:56
  level
• 10:57
  is
• 10:57
  decision
• 10:57
  making,
• 10:58
  right?
• 10:58
  Yes.
• 10:59
  I'll
• 10:59
  just
• 11:00
  get
• 11:00
  Slack
• 11:00
  messages,
• 11:01
  maybe
• 11:01
  50
• 11:01
  Slack
• 11:02
  messages
• 11:02
  a
• 11:02
  day
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  50
• 11:03
  or
• 11:03
  100
• 11:04
  emails,
• 11:04
  a
• 11:04
  bunch
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  texts,
• 11:05
  and
• 11:05
  they're
• 11:06
  all
• 11:06
  related
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  making
• 11:07
  odd
• 11:07
  decision.
• 11:08
  And
• 11:08
  so
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  need
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  like
• 11:10
  have
• 11:11
  that
• 11:11
  data
• 11:11
  to
• 11:12
  make
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  best
• 11:12
  decisions.
• 11:14
  So
• 11:14
  he,
• 11:15
  he
• 11:15
  helped
• 11:15
  me
• 11:15
  formalize
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  business
• 11:17
  in
• 11:17
  that
• 11:17
  way.
• 11:17
  You
• 11:17
  know,
• 11:18
  make
• 11:18
  sure
• 11:18
  I
• 11:18
  had
• 11:20
  my
• 11:20
  finances
• 11:21
  really,
• 11:21
  really
• 11:22
  like
• 11:22
  locked
• 11:22
  in
• 11:23
  and
• 11:23
  then
• 11:23
  make
• 11:24
  sure
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  had
• 11:24
  things
• 11:24
  set
• 11:25
  up
• 11:25
  from
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  process
• 11:26
  point
• 11:26
  of
• 11:26
  view.
• 11:27
  You
• 11:27
  know,
• 11:27
  anything
• 11:27
  happening
• 11:28
  multiple
• 11:28
  times
• 11:29
  within
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  business
• 11:29
  should
• 11:29
  have
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  process
• 11:30
  related
• 11:30
  to
• 11:31
  it.
• 11:32
  Just
• 11:32
  because
• 11:33
  then
• 11:33
  when
• 11:34
  someone
• 11:34
  quits
• 11:34
  or
• 11:34
  someone
• 11:35
  leaves,
• 11:35
  there's
• 11:36
  someone
• 11:36
  else
• 11:36
  can
• 11:36
  come
• 11:36
  in
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  fulfill
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  business
• 11:38
  need
• 11:39
  as
• 11:39
  opposed
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  it
• 11:40
  just
• 11:40
  pulling
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  rug
• 11:41
  out
• 11:41
  from
• 11:41
  underneath
• 11:41
  me.
• 11:42
  Yeah,
• 11:43
  so
• 11:44
  that,
• 11:44
  so
• 11:44
  that
• 11:44
  was.
• 11:45
  He
• 11:45
  was
• 11:45
  really,
• 11:46
  really
• 11:46
  helpful.
• 11:46
  And
• 11:46
  I
• 11:47
  did
• 11:47
  one
• 11:47
  session
• 11:48
  with
• 11:48
  him
• 11:48
  every
• 11:48
  two
• 11:49
  or
• 11:49
  three
• 11:49
  weeks
• 11:50
  for
• 11:50
  probably
• 11:50
  six
• 11:51
  months,
• 11:51
  you
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:52
  and
• 11:52
  it
• 11:52
  was
• 11:52
  like,
• 11:52
  I
• 11:53
  think
• 11:53
  it
• 11:53
  was
• 11:53
  like
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  thousand
• 11:54
  dollars
• 11:54
  a
• 11:54
  session.
• 11:54
  It
• 11:54
  was
• 11:55
  not
• 11:55
  cheap.
• 11:55
  He
• 11:55
  is
• 11:56
  not
• 11:56
  cheap.
• 11:57
  But
• 11:59
  honestly,
• 11:59
  it's
• 11:59
  worth,
• 11:59
  it
• 12:00
  was
• 12:00
  probably
• 12:00
  worth
• 12:00
  double
• 12:00
  or
• 12:01
  triple.
• 12:01
  Don't
• 12:01
  tell
• 12:01
  him
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  said
• 12:02
  that.
• 12:05
  Are
• 12:05
  you
• 12:05
  saying
• 12:05
  he's
• 12:05
  not
• 12:05
  a
• 12:06
  listener?
• 12:08
  I
• 12:09
  don't
• 12:09
  know.
• 12:10
  We're
• 12:10
  getting
• 12:10
  there,
• 12:11
  man.
• 12:11
  One
• 12:11
  province
• 12:11
  at
• 12:12
  a
• 12:12
  time.
• 12:13
  Yeah,
• 12:13
  yeah.
• 12:14
  But
• 12:14
  yeah,
• 12:15
  if
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  can
• 12:15
  get
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  private
• 12:15
  business
• 12:16
  coach.
• 12:17
  Another
• 12:17
  thing
• 12:18
  out
• 12:18
  in
• 12:18
  Toronto
• 12:18
  there's
• 12:19
  this
• 12:19
  company
• 12:19
  called
• 12:20
  Strategic
• 12:20
  Coach
• 12:21
  which
• 12:22
  is
• 12:22
  run
• 12:22
  by
• 12:22
  a
• 12:22
  guy
• 12:22
  named
• 12:23
  Dan
• 12:23
  Sullivan
• 12:24
  that's
• 12:24
  in
• 12:24
  Toronto.
• 12:25
  Yeah,
• 12:26
  super
• 12:26
  brilliant
• 12:27
  business
• 12:28
  mind.
• 12:29
  A
• 12:29
  futurist
• 12:30
  along
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  lines
• 12:31
  of
• 12:31
  Ray
• 12:31
  Kurzweil
• 12:32
  and
• 12:34
  blanking
• 12:35
  on
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  other
• 12:35
  guy's
• 12:35
  name,
• 12:35
  but
• 12:36
  very
• 12:37
  forward
• 12:37
  thinking
• 12:38
  and
• 12:39
  really
• 12:39
  challenges
• 12:40
  you
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  think
• 12:41
  differently
• 12:42
  and
• 12:43
  change
• 12:43
  your
• 12:43
  mindset.
• 12:44
  And
• 12:44
  so
• 12:45
  Dan
• 12:45
  Sullivan
• 12:45
  and
• 12:46
  his
• 12:46
  group
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  Strategic
• 12:47
  Coach
• 12:47
  was
• 12:47
  big.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:48
  then
• 12:48
  I
• 12:49
  also
• 12:49
  did
• 12:49
  something
• 12:50
  with
• 12:51
  this
• 12:51
  group
• 12:51
  company
• 12:52
  called
• 12:52
  McKay
• 12:53
  CEO
• 12:54
  Forums.
• 12:54
  And
• 12:55
  that
• 12:55
  was
• 12:55
  where
• 12:56
  I
• 12:56
  would
• 12:56
  go
• 12:56
  and
• 12:57
  I
• 12:57
  would
• 12:57
  meet
• 12:57
  once
• 12:58
  every
• 12:58
  six
• 12:58
  weeks
• 12:58
  with
• 12:59
  10
• 12:59
  to
• 13:00
  12
• 13:00
  other
• 13:01
  CE
• 13:02
  level
• 13:03
  people.
• 13:03
  And
• 13:04
  we'd
• 13:04
  sit
• 13:04
  in
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  room
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  we
• 13:05
  basically
• 13:05
  just
• 13:06
  like
• 13:06
  air
• 13:06
  out
• 13:06
  or
• 13:07
  air
• 13:07
  our
• 13:07
  grievances
• 13:07
  and
• 13:08
  talk
• 13:08
  about
• 13:09
  what
• 13:09
  challenges
• 13:09
  we're
• 13:10
  having.
• 13:11
  And
• 13:11
  we
• 13:11
  would
• 13:11
  get
• 13:11
  feedback
• 13:12
  from
• 13:12
  the
• 13:12
  group
• 13:12
  in
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  form
• 13:13
  of
• 13:13
  shared
• 13:14
  experiences.
• 13:14
  It
• 13:15
  was
• 13:15
  never
• 13:15
  advice
• 13:16
  because
• 13:16
  advice
• 13:17
  is
• 13:17
  something
• 13:17
  that
• 13:17
  someone's
• 13:18
  opinion,
• 13:18
  whereas
• 13:19
  shared
• 13:19
  experiences
• 13:20
  is.
• 13:20
  This
• 13:20
  is
• 13:20
  what
• 13:21
  happened
• 13:21
  to
• 13:21
  me
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  this
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  what
• 13:22
  I
• 13:22
  did,
• 13:22
  and
• 13:22
  this
• 13:23
  was
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  result.
• 13:23
  Result.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:24
  it's
• 13:24
  similar
• 13:24
  to
• 13:25
  what
• 13:25
  you're
• 13:25
  doing,
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  that's
• 13:26
  why
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  think
• 13:26
  it'll
• 13:26
  help
• 13:26
  you.
• 13:28
  And
• 13:28
  it
• 13:28
  also
• 13:28
  helped
• 13:29
  me
• 13:29
  with
• 13:30
  professional
• 13:30
  development.
• 13:31
  Like,
• 13:31
  I
• 13:31
  had
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  present
• 13:32
  every
• 13:32
  single
• 13:33
  time.
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  had
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  present
• 13:34
  within
• 13:34
  five
• 13:34
  minutes,
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  there
• 13:35
  was
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  timer
• 13:36
  there.
• 13:36
  So
• 13:36
  I
• 13:37
  learned
• 13:37
  some
• 13:37
  of
• 13:38
  those
• 13:38
  skills
• 13:40
  when
• 13:40
  it
• 13:40
  comes
• 13:40
  to,
• 13:41
  like,
• 13:41
  running
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  company
• 13:42
  at.
• 13:42
  At
• 13:42
  this
• 13:43
  level
• 13:43
  and
• 13:43
  how
• 13:43
  to
• 13:44
  scale
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  company.
• 13:45
  So
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  had
• 13:46
  to
• 13:46
  keep,
• 13:46
  like,
• 13:46
  leveling
• 13:47
  myself
• 13:47
  up.
• 13:47
  Otherwise,
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  company
• 13:48
  is
• 13:48
  going
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  be
• 13:48
  like
• 13:49
  this
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  I'm
• 13:49
  going
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  be
• 13:49
  down
• 13:49
  here.
• 13:50
  Yeah,
• 13:50
  right.
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  have
• 13:51
  to
• 13:52
  keep
• 13:52
  up
• 13:52
  with
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  company.
• 13:52
  The
• 13:53
  company
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  going
• 13:53
  faster
• 13:53
  than
• 13:54
  me
• 13:54
  right
• 13:54
  now.
• 13:55
  Yeah,
• 13:55
  good
• 13:56
  point.
• 13:56
  It's
• 13:56
  amazing.