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Football at Four: Taking an Inside Look at Eagles Offense Contractually · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Adam Kaplan for Football at four. We
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  Speaker 1: were just talking to Sixers Adam Adam Aronson talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Sixers future now that Joel Embiid looks unlikely to
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  Speaker 1: play the rest of the Seedum season. Adam, what does
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles future roster past this season kind of look like?
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some very interesting things to dig into
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  Speaker 1: with the contracts here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick though, on Penning's injuries. I know in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL covering these players can come back within a
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  Speaker 2: week or two. It's very common then it happens. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it mbit, It's just uh, it's a shame, man, It's uh.
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  Speaker 1: I Dalton one game years ago, Dawkins missed a game?
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  Speaker 1: Did he missed?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, it's amazing. Yeah, it's really amazing. No, I've covered
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  Speaker 2: these injuries for over twenty five years. It's odd because
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  Speaker 2: you would think football jers, how can they take the contact?
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  Speaker 2: But it's all when they get clear. But anyway, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so Mike with it draft now obviously well less than
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  Speaker 2: two weeks now. In fact, we would in two weeks
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  Speaker 2: from today, we'll be talking about what happened on day
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  Speaker 2: one Thursday night, dude, hegals keep the pick or not.
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  Speaker 2: But so he's about the future, right with a draft,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to look towards the Eagles offense for
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  Speaker 2: the future and who's on our contract. And this will
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  Speaker 2: give you a better idea because we keep telling people
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  Speaker 2: folks always look. And I learned this a hard way
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  Speaker 2: when I started doing mock drafts. I didn't realize how
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  Speaker 2: much this stuff matter. But it man, it didn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It does matter. And it's all about expiration dates. And
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  Speaker 2: one of guy's going to get done when they can
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  Speaker 2: get out of the contracts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously the one, let's start at the top, is
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I mean obviously that article. Multiple articles have
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  Speaker 1: come out and some people will wonder if he's on notice.
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  Speaker 1: For him to be un noticed, we got to look
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  Speaker 1: at his contract. What is the contract here say for
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts in his future?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he signed through twenty twenty eight. The fully guaranteed
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  Speaker 2: money expires after the season, and obviously if he has
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  Speaker 2: a good season and they don't trade m Key, they
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  Speaker 2: can look to extend him after the season. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way they're extending him now. He didn't earn it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he's not played great, and I think the
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  Speaker 2: way the Eagles look at it is they're bringing this
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  Speaker 2: new offense in. This is Siriani decision, along with consultation
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  Speaker 2: with ownership and the general manager. This is a new offense.
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  Speaker 2: People need to be patient, but this thing works. It's
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  Speaker 2: a true West Coast offense and we're gonna learn a
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  Speaker 2: lot about it starting after the draft when they have
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  Speaker 2: their first post draft mini camp. I'm looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 2: Tanner McKee as we go through the quarterback position, Tanner
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  Speaker 2: McKee signed through twenty twenty six, so it's Andy Dalton.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike, as I posted to Jeff Mosher two weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: would it surprised anyone? Although they would have four quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: on the roster, would it surprised anyone if they drafted
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback? It wouldn't surprise me. No.
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  Speaker 1: I think. In fact, I would ask you, Adam, do
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  Speaker 1: we expect them to do so?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, can never say you expect to because Mike
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  Speaker 2: has always tell people and we've had to correct some people.
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  Speaker 2: We'll tell people, hey, listen, they're going to try to
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  Speaker 2: get this done. The key is try. I can't tell
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  Speaker 2: you whether it'll happen if the team doesn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: They come in with some priorities and some things they'd
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  Speaker 2: like to get done. But over the years they've tried
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  Speaker 2: to draft offensive lineman a little bit early than you
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  Speaker 2: would expect and the board doesn't come out, I would
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  Speaker 2: expect him to look hard at it, and I'll put
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  Speaker 2: it that way, And that was a Tanne mcketh. They
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  Speaker 2: love to have back past twenty six, but that's not
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  Speaker 2: going to happen because he's going to be a starter
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  Speaker 2: somewhere else in twenty seven if he's not traded.
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  Speaker 1: Running back. They signed Barkley, they extended Barkley, so let's
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  Speaker 1: look at the running back position.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike Barkley signed through twenty eight, but there's no
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed money pass the season. That's something to watch. That's
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  Speaker 2: just something to watch, and how they handle his situation
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  Speaker 2: after the season. Tank Bigsby, it's another situation where I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand why they didn't get him the football. But
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  Speaker 2: once they did, Mike Bose terrific. He signed through twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: Will Shipley, who needs to be more consistent, signed through
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven. Damian Pierce, we're doing a contract show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to do it on my own here. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to put this up probably tomorrow, Mike. He has a
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  Speaker 2: very interesting contract he whos actually gave him guaranteed money.
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  Speaker 2: This surprises me, which tells you they like him. Don't
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  Speaker 2: mean he's going to make it, but they give him
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of guaranteed money. He's only signed through
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  Speaker 2: the season, so only Shipley and Barclay are signed through
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  Speaker 2: the season.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to obviously aj Brown. Everybody kind
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  Speaker 1: of talking about lenn and what is his contract situation
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  Speaker 1: that another team would be attracted to not attractive to.
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  Speaker 1: You got DeVante Smith. You got to figure that out,
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  Speaker 1: and obviously there's a lot of very much unknowns behind them.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Brown signed through twenty nine. Guaranteed money expires after the season,
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  Speaker 2: fully guaranteed money. That is, so it's fascinating. If he's
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  Speaker 2: not traded and he blows it up, what do they do.
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  Speaker 2: He turned thirty next June. He's twenty nine this June.
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  Speaker 2: As we reported at the time, at the time of
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  Speaker 2: the trade in twenty twenty two, the Titans primarily did
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  Speaker 2: not give him a good offer because they're concerned about
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  Speaker 2: his The specifically one we were told at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So I give the Eagles credit and aj credit. He
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  Speaker 2: hasn't missed much time here. Boy. The Titans that didn't
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  Speaker 2: didn't work out for them, but it sure has worked
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  Speaker 2: out for the Eagles. DeVante Smith signed through twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: He's really underpaid, Mike, boy, they really should redeal his deal.
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  Speaker 2: Look if they if they redid Barkley's early and they
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  Speaker 2: didn't need to, they really should take care at Smith.
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  Speaker 2: That deal, Boy, was that team friendly. Darris Cooper signed
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  Speaker 2: through twenty twenty seven. By the way, it was a
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  Speaker 2: really good stories at Underettered free agent Johnny Wilson, coming
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  Speaker 2: back from a devastating knee injury, signed for twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown on a one year deal for five million.
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  Speaker 2: Quinn Watkins, he's back on a one year deal, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: People probably forgot about that. Believe it or not. He
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  Speaker 2: is back, at least for now. Danny Gray the Offenser.
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  Speaker 2: Danny Gray signed for twenty six, and then Elijah Moore.
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  Speaker 2: Elijah Moore signed for one year. The former second round
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  Speaker 2: pick for the Jets, Britton Covey, also assigned for twenty six. Mike,
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  Speaker 2: so the only guy signed past this season. Aj Brown,
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  Speaker 2: Davante Smith, Darius Cooper, and Johnny Wilson who who we
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly when he'll be ready, so they certainly
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  Speaker 2: will probably address this or try to address it in
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  Speaker 2: the draft Draft day.
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  Speaker 1: Of course April twenty third, you can listen to the
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  Speaker 1: draft on ninety seven three ESPN. And of course Dallas
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  Speaker 1: Goddard he is back, but only through this season. And
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  Speaker 1: they do not have another tight end you know that
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  Speaker 1: has any experience really passed this year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have. They have so many priorities, so
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  Speaker 2: many needs might for the future and currently by the way,
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  Speaker 2: you and I did this hit a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago when I look towards you know what their needs
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  Speaker 2: were for the future and current and tight end is everything.
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  Speaker 2: Gottard signed through the season for seven million, full of guaranteed,
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Munt won year deal, Kakuterra won your deal, Stone
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  Speaker 2: Smart he got some guaranteed money. Mike get kind of
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  Speaker 2: surprised me. One year deal. E J. Jakson signed through
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven lots to year deals up is up after
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  Speaker 2: the season, and Jaheem Bell signed through twenty seven. So
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  Speaker 2: the only two tight ends who were under contract almost
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  Speaker 2: certainly won't be on the team this season in the fall.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of the fifty three men roster, that's Jahem
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  Speaker 2: Bell who's a move tight end he didn't play in line,
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  Speaker 2: and E J. Jenkins, a converted receiver Mike, So they
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  Speaker 2: don't have a guy who's going to be on the
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  Speaker 2: football team literally past the season.
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  Speaker 1: All right, offensive line, Because this one I think is
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  Speaker 1: really interesting to kind of dig into here because you
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  Speaker 1: got guys signed long term, But where's the money here
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  Speaker 1: for some of these guys?
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  Speaker 2: All right? Lane Johnson is signed through twenty eight, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: But what I was told, based on contract structure, if
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  Speaker 2: he decides he's not retiring there for the season, they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to redo his deal. We reported this at
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  Speaker 2: the time many years ago when Kelsey kept coming back,
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  Speaker 2: I was told that he had such his contract structure
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  Speaker 2: was like he couldn't come back as is so same
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  Speaker 2: with Lane Johnson, and we'll see, we'll see what Lane
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  Speaker 2: wants to do. Join my lot of signed through twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Fred Johnson on a one year deal. Miles Hinton, who
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  Speaker 2: didn't play last season, signed for twenty eight. Kim Williams,
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  Speaker 2: who did play a Karnce Washington did look good signed
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  Speaker 2: for twenty eight, and Holland Pierce signed through twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Mike He signed a three year on director freezing deal,
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  Speaker 2: which is typical of guys that they like. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: look they're gonna look their address this. Trust me on this.
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  Speaker 2: It could go rounds one through three. We don't guarantee
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  Speaker 2: anything because the club can't guarantee. We never know more
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  Speaker 2: than they know. We know that they want to address it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Adam Kaplan. You look at all the stuff here
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  Speaker 1: on this offensive side of the ball, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: that well, depending on AJ Brown's future, they're at least
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  Speaker 1: taking one more shot with the core of this offense
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  Speaker 1: with Sean Manning to see. It's almost like we'll give
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  Speaker 1: you guys a chance to see if you can figure
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  Speaker 1: this offense out. If not, they might be able to
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  Speaker 1: They might have a different look in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, Dickerson, they can get out of his contract.
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  Speaker 2: He has signed to twenty eight, but they could get
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  Speaker 2: out of his contract take some dead money. Dead money
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  Speaker 2: is not the deal, big deal that the media thinks
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  Speaker 2: it is. In fact, it's actually a very minor thing.
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  Speaker 2: Talking to clubs about this, people get obsessed over, but
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  Speaker 2: clubs are not. Clearly they care very little about it. Clubs,
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  Speaker 2: it's they'd rather not have it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's obvious now with what was a dead cap
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  Speaker 1: hit on two A nineteen plus million, well.
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  Speaker 2: Mike, fifty four million, fully guaranteed. It is really remarkable, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: that that they walked away from.
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  Speaker 1: That and Murray and Tyler Murray the other one, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, the the the Vikings they did it too.
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm I don't get it that but but
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing they owed him. They owed Javon Hargrave
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  Speaker 2: and Jonathan Allen a lot of guaranteed money. And there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of dead money, Mike, And I always told
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  Speaker 2: people why I shouldn't say always, I didn't know. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a factor. Clubs don't care about dead money. They
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  Speaker 2: care about fully guaranteed money. And it's really remarkable what
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings have done. They're a hard team to figure out.
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  Speaker 2: But getting over to the Eagles here, Mike so think
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  Speaker 2: he had at Dickerson's contract, they'd have some dead money.
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Stein this is the last year of his rookie contract.
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  Speaker 2: Huge year for him. The question is, Mike will they
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  Speaker 2: bring in through the draft competition? Willie Lampkin, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: who's gonna what we're told he's more of a guard
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  Speaker 2: than a center. He could play both. Signed through twenty eight,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't available this season this past season, and then
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  Speaker 2: at center, Cam Jurgen's Mike. What we contend is they
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  Speaker 2: really need to add a guard center in the drift.
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  Speaker 2: I know the lake Drew Kendall, he could pee for
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  Speaker 2: the backup center job and he's totally unproven. He's a
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  Speaker 2: good fit on toll for this new scheme that they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna run mostly his own jargons. Signed for twenty twenty nine.
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  Speaker 2: He's got to stay healthy, Mike. They really need to
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  Speaker 2: address the depth in their offensive line, which is really
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  Speaker 2: really poor.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, and a lot of that correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Adham is from missing in the draft the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, Mike, which we talked about on Tuesday segment. They
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  Speaker 2: had Hollie. Look, he is at NFL's best GM. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not arguing that, but all these one year deals which
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  Speaker 2: they missed on. Fred Johnson's a nice story. Remember though,
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  Speaker 2: Mike they had to trade for him. How bad was
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  Speaker 2: their depth? They had to trade for him last season,
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  Speaker 2: Now they only get the seventh. He wound up being
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  Speaker 2: maybe their best free agent move. But it's not saying
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  Speaker 2: a lot. But he did a good job as a backup.
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  Speaker 2: So Howie's really got to address the depth on this
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  Speaker 2: football team, particularly offense.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, I guess the other thing between now and
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  Speaker 1: the end of the draft will be was Howie still
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  Speaker 1: working the phones? Maybe not for aj Brown, maybe that
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  Speaker 1: comes after, but for something else. Andrew and I talked
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  Speaker 1: yesterday about edge. You know, not a great edge class
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  Speaker 1: at twenty three, even like if you trade it up
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  Speaker 1: and that's a spot that you would invest first round
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  Speaker 1: capital on, right, you'd take an edge in the first
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  Speaker 1: round of there was yeah on your board.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. What I'm told that with edge is it's actually
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  Speaker 2: very good for the first couple of rounds. Then then
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  Speaker 2: it just drops off significantly. It's kind of top heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Don't be an edge for them. We'll give you this, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: closer to the draft kind of what we're hearing, what
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at there. But yeah, it's it's egos of
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  Speaker 2: nine draft picks, Mike. But you know, Howie. He loves
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  Speaker 2: to shake it up. This is what he does. I've
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  Speaker 2: talked to people work for him. He gets kind of antsy,
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  Speaker 2: and it'll be fascinating because they're in a tough spot
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  Speaker 2: at twenty three. It's the true first round. Great We've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this now for nine years. They're typically anywhere
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  Speaker 2: from fifteen to eighteen given out. Very few teams will
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  Speaker 2: have any more than like twenty three to twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a tough spot. Eagers. Heer and I'm very
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  Speaker 2: interesting what the Eagles do here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh we all are, Adam, We all are Football. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: Football at four here on a Friday, as the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: getting inside two weeks to the draft, twenty three is
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  Speaker 1: the slot bunch of mid round picks will continue to
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  Speaker 1: look at him here on Football at four. Adam Kapplin,
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  Speaker 1: the guys over on the Inside of the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: get out on all podcasting platforms. Thanks Adam, Thank you,