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Patriots Catch-22 6/4: OTA Observations, David Andrews Retirement Ceremony, Minicamp Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 2: we are going to get into Patriots OTAs. On Monday,
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  Speaker 2: we were out at OTAs, so we'll discuss Drake may
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  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs being at Patriots practice. I also want to
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  Speaker 2: touch on after we do the OTA observations, I want
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  Speaker 2: to touch on David Andrews retirement ceremony, which we were
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  Speaker 2: both at, which I thought was just a really awesome event,
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  Speaker 2: awesome forty five minutes or so there celebrating the career
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  Speaker 2: of David Andrews. But I want to start with OTAs,
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  Speaker 2: and I know that's what everybody's really on their minds.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get the digs and how he looked
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  Speaker 2: at practice yesterday, but the place I want to start
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  Speaker 2: was what I thought was Drake May's best practice of
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  Speaker 2: the spring. And I understand that that kind of sounds crazy,
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  Speaker 2: like we're grading every single practice in spring. Can I
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  Speaker 2: get if you sit here and say, relax, right, it's May,
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  Speaker 2: it's June. How much does this stuff really matter? But
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  Speaker 2: just looking at it through what we saw out there
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  Speaker 2: on Monday, Alex I felt like Drake looked the most
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  Speaker 2: comfortable that he has in the three practices that we've seen,
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  Speaker 2: and we started to see some of those high level
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  Speaker 2: throws that we saw from him last year on a
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  Speaker 2: couple of plays, and then he had a real run
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  Speaker 2: of eight or nine completions in a row at one
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  Speaker 2: point where he looked really sharp throughout team drills. So
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  Speaker 2: we started the show in the last two weeks about
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  Speaker 2: maybe a learning curve or or some developmental things going
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  Speaker 2: on with Drake May in this offense. I thought it
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  Speaker 2: was only fair to start with the fact that he
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  Speaker 2: had a good practice the other day and showed some
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  Speaker 2: signs of progress within the framework of this system.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where you know it's tough because
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  Speaker 1: it's not linear. It'll be linear from here on out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see three mini caamp practices next week and then
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  Speaker 1: it's on a training camp at the end of July,
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  Speaker 1: so they won't practice again without us there to some
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  Speaker 1: extent for the rest of the season. Yeah, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's tough to say, yeah, he's making progress, he's building
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  Speaker 1: towards something, just because you know, we didn't see what
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  Speaker 1: happened in between the practices they've had one. They had
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  Speaker 1: one since then. I think again today right as their
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  Speaker 1: last ota. Yeah, they had one yesterday and today. I
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  Speaker 1: might be tomorrow. I don't think they have three days
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  Speaker 1: in a row. Okay, they might be tomorrow then, but
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  Speaker 1: like they'll have one more. So you know, it's it.
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  Speaker 1: You can't say definitively like he's moving training in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction, but in front of us, he's training in
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  Speaker 1: the right direction. Yeah, and that's what you want to
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  Speaker 1: see this time of year. It's just about progress, it's
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  Speaker 1: just about getting better. And again, I can't say for
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  Speaker 1: sure yesterday was his best practice of the spring in total,
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  Speaker 1: because we haven't seen all of them. It'd be hard
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  Speaker 1: to imagine he did better than that. That's exactly what
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to look like in the spring. They were
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  Speaker 1: moving to smooth operation in and out of the huddle,
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  Speaker 1: no wasted time at the line of scrimmage, ball's not
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  Speaker 1: hitting the ground smooth, smooth and comfortable, is the best
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  Speaker 1: way I could put it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's always when with all these practices,
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  Speaker 2: we're watching the practice, but we're not hearing the practice,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't know the practice script. So there's always
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  Speaker 2: questions in my back of my mind that I try
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  Speaker 2: to keep in mind about. We don't know what's being
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  Speaker 2: coached right. We don't know if they're in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of a period where they're doing a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 2: short yardage third down stuff and that's why the ball
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  Speaker 2: is not getting pushed down the field, or they're telling
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  Speaker 2: the defense, hey, let's let's stay off the quarterback here
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the pass rush, and let's tone it
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  Speaker 2: down a bit so that we can get some true
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  Speaker 2: passing in here without the effect of him having to
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  Speaker 2: you know, take a sack or what have you. So
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  Speaker 2: you never know any of those types of context is
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  Speaker 2: but a couple.
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  Speaker 1: The interesting thing yesterday was Josh McDaniels told us they
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  Speaker 1: were going to be running some stuff they hadn't done before,
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  Speaker 1: so we know there was at least and I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of spring practices, so maybe it's not
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  Speaker 1: that big of a deal, but like that element was
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  Speaker 1: in play.
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  Speaker 2: So I made that point yesterday on Unfiltered, and I
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  Speaker 2: think it's it's also another piece of context to this.
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  Speaker 2: When you practice against the same defense over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: and both sides are practicing right now, they're basic installation,
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  Speaker 2: like they're foundation of their offense and defensive schemes and systems.
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  Speaker 2: So when you practice week in and week out and
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  Speaker 2: you're now on practice number six, seven, eight nine of
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  Speaker 2: OTAs and things like that, when you have veteran players
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  Speaker 2: and good players on the defensive side, they start to
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  Speaker 2: recognize plays and they start to kind of cheat plays
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. I thought last week when we were
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  Speaker 2: out at practice that Robert Splaine just was all over
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  Speaker 2: several plays that they were running, and it dawned on
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  Speaker 2: me and I thought, maybe, Okay, he might just he's
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  Speaker 2: a really good processor and a really good play diagnoser,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe he just has seen this play run like
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  Speaker 2: six times already and he's like, all right, you're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna get me this time on this. So the element
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  Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniel's telling us before practice that he was
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  Speaker 2: going to call some plays they haven't run yet in practice.
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  Speaker 2: Was not lost on me because maybe that uncertainty, you know,
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  Speaker 2: kind of put a little bit of doubt in the
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  Speaker 2: defense right where the defense didn't know exactly what was coming,
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  Speaker 2: like they might have been prior practices. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: factor of it too, But just in an individual throw basis,
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  Speaker 2: what I thought was most I guess encouraging about Drake
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  Speaker 2: May was that when Drake May is at his best,
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  Speaker 2: he's just ripping it right. There's not a lot of
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  Speaker 2: thought that's going into his throws. There's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of hesitation. You know, Greg Bdard talks a lot about
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  Speaker 2: the hitch or you know, the kind of double pump
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  Speaker 2: if you will, Like, you don't see any of that.
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  Speaker 2: You just see him playing free, playing loose and letting
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  Speaker 2: it rip. And then also on top of that, you
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  Speaker 2: see a lot of the extra quarterback stuff like coverage manipulation,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pumping the safety off or moving somebody with
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  Speaker 2: his eyes, or throwing off platform obviously you know, extending
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  Speaker 2: the play, throwing off platform. And I thought a couple
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  Speaker 2: of the throws that were really stand out throws to
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  Speaker 2: me had all of those elements and that's when I
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  Speaker 2: know that Drake May's feeling it like, that's when he's
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  Speaker 2: in the groove. So the whole shot to Kishan Boudi
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  Speaker 2: on the corner route right, that's he eats up cover
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  Speaker 2: two and they play that coverage and you have the
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  Speaker 2: split safeties in the corner underneath. He's gonna pump off
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  Speaker 2: the corner underneath and then he's gonna rip.
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  Speaker 1: The whole shot.
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  Speaker 2: And he did that exact thing to Kishan Boudi on
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  Speaker 2: that play, and I said, you know that that the rhythm,
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  Speaker 2: the timing, even the manipulation, like all that is Drake
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  Speaker 2: May when he's at his best, when he's the most comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: The wheel route to Hermandra Stevenson, little off platform, you move
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  Speaker 2: to the left, drop down the arm, angle a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: and just rip it like that. Those are the types
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  Speaker 2: of plays that you see him make that you you
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  Speaker 2: really are excited about in terms of his future in
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  Speaker 2: this league. So those were the couple that stood out
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  Speaker 2: to me as sort of like the highlight plays of
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  Speaker 2: the day for him. But all those throws again or
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  Speaker 2: getting back to this playmaker mode of Drake May and
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  Speaker 2: what he's able to do from the pocket and manipulating
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  Speaker 2: coverage and moving coverage with his eyes or pump fakes
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  Speaker 2: or body language, and you know, being able to throw
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  Speaker 2: off platform and make plays off platform. That's what the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots have when he is at his best. And so
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  Speaker 2: that was very encouraging to see. And I have another
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  Speaker 2: thought on that, But what were some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that stood out to you just specifically about his day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I'll go back to what I said before.
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  Speaker 1: I just think he looked more comfortable. Right. We talked
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  Speaker 1: in the last show about just a little hesitation, you know,
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  Speaker 1: was he totally comfortable with what he was looking at
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  Speaker 1: and all that, And this just felt more picking up
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  Speaker 1: where he left off. It didn't feel that's what was
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  Speaker 1: so surprising about McDaniels. For practicing, they're running some new things,
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  Speaker 1: none of that felt new. Yeah, you know, if McDaniels
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  Speaker 1: hadn't say that said that, I might be sitting here saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it helped out for Drake May that it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like they were doing a lot of stuff he
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  Speaker 1: was comfortable with because he looked and you know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's comfortable with the new stuff, but he looked very
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with all of it. So I just think is
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  Speaker 1: he we know, he's more of a like that that
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen type. Right, He's just gonna kind of see
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  Speaker 1: and go. He's not somebody that's going to compute all
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  Speaker 1: the different things and it's just sort of read and
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  Speaker 1: react to it. And I think he was more in
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  Speaker 1: that mode in playing more free and was more of
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  Speaker 1: that had more that gunslinger mentality as much you can
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  Speaker 1: have in a spring practice. Granted, I think he was
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  Speaker 1: playing more with that mentality, which he's in his comfort
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  Speaker 1: zone when he's doing that, which is good. This was
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  Speaker 1: part of the worry about Josh McDaniel's offense and people
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  Speaker 1: worrying with the Brady offense, right, are they going to
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  Speaker 1: tailor it too much to that and take away some
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  Speaker 1: of what Drake may does. Well, this was him being
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  Speaker 1: able to do what he wants to do, what he
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  Speaker 1: does best in the context of that offense.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's an important point of all this.
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  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of talk before practice with
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  Speaker 2: the assistant coaches and then you know that carried into
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  Speaker 2: practice about these new wrinkles that the Patriots are supposedly
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  Speaker 2: adding into this offense. And it should be said that
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  Speaker 2: this is the foundation of this scheme is still the
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  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels playbook, right, that is the roots of the
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  Speaker 2: of the offense. But they have a lot of they
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  Speaker 2: have a melting pot. They really have a melting pot
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  Speaker 2: of coaches that have been in different systems and have
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  Speaker 2: been in different places that they can pull from and
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  Speaker 2: pull ideas from. I think chief among them being Thomas Brown,
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  Speaker 2: who's got that pass game coordinator title as well as
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  Speaker 2: being the tight ends coach, and he comes from Sean
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  Speaker 2: mcvay's tree. He also coached under Frank Reich as well,
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  Speaker 2: who's West Coast oriented. Different branches of the West Coast offense,
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  Speaker 2: and I was really curious to see as we get
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  Speaker 2: into the season, like which fork did they go down,
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  Speaker 2: Like which path did they go down within the West
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  Speaker 2: Coast tree, Because you have the West Coast offense going
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  Speaker 2: all the way back to like Bill Walsh in the
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  Speaker 2: forty nine ers in the eighties. But then you have
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  Speaker 2: like the traditional West Coast coaches, which is what Alex
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  Speaker 2: van Pelt was part of, you know, Mike Holmgre and
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  Speaker 2: Alex van Pelt, Mike McCarthy, those types of guys. Then
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  Speaker 2: you have the Shanahan tree of the West Coast offense.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Kyle Shanahan, Mike Shanahan of course at the top,
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, all those guys, anybody
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  Speaker 2: I've yelled about life. Yeah, and you have the Andy
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  Speaker 2: Reid iteration of this offense, which has really been called
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  Speaker 2: you know, Michael Lombardi always calls it like West Coast College, Right,
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  Speaker 2: it's really a a more air it's adaptive of the
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  Speaker 2: air raid and in the West Coast offense kind of
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  Speaker 2: coming together to fit the quarterbacks of today. And Frank
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  Speaker 2: Reich is obviously offshot on that Andy Reid tree. So
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  Speaker 2: all these guys are connected in that they speak similar languages,
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  Speaker 2: and they have similar core philosophies of how they want
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  Speaker 2: to move the football. But they all have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of twist on all of their versions. And you
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  Speaker 2: know there's North Turner two, which is a whole Kevin
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So like the Kevin O'Connell wan the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Kevin O'Connell one is a similar I
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  Speaker 2: would say to the Shanahan tree. I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of similarities. But what I'm getting at is is
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  Speaker 2: the the West Coast College the West Coast you know,
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  Speaker 2: mash with the air Raid is, in my opinion, where
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  Speaker 2: I would rather see them go with Drake May which
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  Speaker 2: is what you know, Patrick Mahomes is obviously running in
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City. They're running a version of it in Philadelphia
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  Speaker 2: with Jalen Hurts, and that The main reasons are one,
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  Speaker 2: it does a nice job of using the quarterback's mobility
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  Speaker 2: to leverage the defense. So whether it's RPOs you know,
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  Speaker 2: read options in the case of Philadelphia, and just in general,
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  Speaker 2: just using the quarterback as a guy that you have
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  Speaker 2: to account for. The Other reason why I really liked
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  Speaker 2: that part of the tree for Drake specifically is that
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  Speaker 2: it's predominantly shotgun.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't break down.
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  Speaker 2: His plays on Monday based off of under center verus
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  Speaker 2: shotgun splits. I didn't get that into it, but last
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  Speaker 2: year as a rookie, there is no doubt that there
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  Speaker 2: was a split between shotgun and under center. That makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't really play much at all under center in college,
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  Speaker 2: and I bet you he didn't do it much in
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  Speaker 2: high school either, because you just don't do it at
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  Speaker 2: the high school and college level as much as they
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  Speaker 2: used to. So what I'm getting at is that Tree
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be like eighty to eighty five percent shotgun.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm talking mostly about neutral situations like fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 2: end of game and you're just trying to run out
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  Speaker 2: the clock. Everybody is gonna probably be under center when
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  Speaker 2: that happens. But when when we're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of the game, when the game is
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  Speaker 2: being decided, you know, Philadelphia is like eighty five ninety
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  Speaker 2: percent under center or excuse me, shotgun. And when they
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  Speaker 2: go under center, it's because they're doing the push push,
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  Speaker 2: it's not because they're actually running a you know, a
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  Speaker 2: playbook from under center. Now, when we talk to the
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  Speaker 2: coaches and then some of the reporting that I've seen
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  Speaker 2: from other people on the beat about where they might
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  Speaker 2: be going, it sounds more like they're trying to put
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  Speaker 2: in McVay style stuff. Now McVeigh style stuff would be
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  Speaker 2: under center, wide zone duo runs from under center with
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  Speaker 2: boots and motion of course, you know, motion at the
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  Speaker 2: snap of jet motion, things like that. So if that's
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  Speaker 2: where they end up going with it, and again I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that it is or is and it's just
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  Speaker 2: speculating here. If that's the way that they end up
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  Speaker 2: going with it, he's gonna be under center a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: And Josh McDaniels has notoriously been under center a lot more,
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  Speaker 2: just in his career as an offensive coach. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: interested to see where that goes. Like, I'm not concerned
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  Speaker 2: that it's not gonna go well. I just I'm not
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  Speaker 2: certain that it's gonna go well, and so we'll see
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  Speaker 2: what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm encouraged by the fact that maybe you know, Boots,
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  Speaker 2: I think would be good for him. I think that
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  Speaker 2: he's got great athleticism, a great ability to throw on
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  Speaker 2: the run. You get him outside the pocket, which helps
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line. Now you're not traditionally past blocking all
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  Speaker 2: the time too, so that makes it easier in theory
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  Speaker 2: to protect the quarterback if you can sell it, and
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  Speaker 2: he can pick up yards with his legs himself if
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing open down the field, and just eat up
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  Speaker 2: the underneath stuff. So you almost don't even need to
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  Speaker 2: put a guy in the flat because he kind of
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  Speaker 2: is the flat, right, He's going to influence the flat
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  Speaker 2: defender to take him.
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  Speaker 1: It keeps teams honest in the run game too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're still gonna be running the ball one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So if the plan is wide zone boot and trying
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  Speaker 2: to do that, I look, they've been trying to do
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  Speaker 2: that since twenty twenty two and failed. They've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to run a wide zone boot scheme or incorporate more
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff for eons, like it feels like, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe they can kind of get it done this time
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  Speaker 2: with the coaches that they have on staff, with McDaniels,
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  Speaker 2: and be able to pull it off this time. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll see. But that that's where I think, you know,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: everybody's sort of guessing that they're going is more towards
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: that McVeigh influence and being under center and using motion
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: to undress the defense and manipulate the defense, and then
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you know, having boot legs and half boots and all
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that good stuff. But I do kind of hope that
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: they they don't completely ignore some of the stuff that
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Thomas Brown could bring in from the Frank Reich school. Sure,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and you know some of that stuff as well, from
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the gun runs and the RPOs and and things of
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: that good nature. So we'll see, you know, they have
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: to put it on film first, I think you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: watching these practices, you can glean some of the things
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna do schematically, but it never really takes
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: hold until you can break it down on tape and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: see exactly what they're doing. So, right, do you have
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: any other thoughts on that or should we move on
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to the next thing.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I think you covered it. Okay, I'll just say this
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: because we do this every year, we have this conversation
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: and it's probably not going to go anywhere, but I'll
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: do my part and say it pistol pistol, Like that's
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the happy medium between under center.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: And chock gun pistol. So we brought it incorporate some pistol. Sure,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about the pistol a lot, and the
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: coach that one of the coaches you hate. Really what
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I think is probably Mike McDaniel's best what's the word
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: like schematic twist is that he took the Kyle Shanahan
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: offense and adapted it to fit TUA by running all
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: of the same concepts that they run in the Shanahan
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: offense from the pistol.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I've never said Mike McDaniel is not a good offense
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: coordinator because I think he is. Yeah, I just don't
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: think he's a good head coach, fair enough, but he
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So this goes in the offense coordinator.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Get him because Tua is not as comfortable under center.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He's also a shorter quarterback, so that hurts him from
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: under center as well. So they run all of the
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: same actions, wide zone boots things like that, but they
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: run it from the pistol with the quarterback and then
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the running back directly behind the quarterback. And they do
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: a little sidecar stuff too with the full back right next.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: To the Q. Get in like sort full house. Yeah. Yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Which if you're gonna have Spencer Larsen at Spencer Larson, Wow,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: that's a throwback.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know where that came from.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: When was he the full back like two thousand and six?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. You're talking about Brock Lampy.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Lampy, thank you. Yes, if you're gonna Brock Lampy or
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: maybe even jaheem Bell and like those guys are gonna
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: p a role on the offense like that's or even
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Land Larrison, who's he's not a full backsize, he's a
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: bigger running back and can embrace the physicality yeah, you
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: could have a lot of fun with those pistols, sort
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of mini full house.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'm all for the pistol, you know that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: But my whole thing, and I know we've talked about
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this at nauseum and people I.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Spencer Larson has not been on the Patriots since twenty twelve.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: He hasn't played in the NFL since twenty thirteen. Well
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you got Spencer Larson on your mind. I don't apparently,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know where that came from. If anything, I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: thought i'd say a long snapper, so I he didn't
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: even play a game here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You're just in Madden mode over there, I think is No,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: it's not even related. I don't know where that came from.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: A million texts about this new Madden thing, Madden thing.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that maybe, yeah, in the second hour.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But what was like going must have been a number
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: forty six thing. The last thing I was gonna say
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: about the pistol.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the full house. So yeah, you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: with the quarterback.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm in the minority when it
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: comes to designing ways for Drake May to run. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: don't think a lot of people want to do that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: He got banged up a little bit last year. At times,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: he's the franchise. People want to be careful with him.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But the big reason why I continue to be in
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the minority on that point is that I don't think
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna max Drake may out unless you let
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: him run around a little bit. I truly don't, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to turn him into Lamar Jackson.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: No. So that's the thing I'm not totally anti. Don't
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: confuse the people who say he shouldn't run and you
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have designed runs with You got to be careful
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: about how much you run him, because those are two
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: different things. They do need to run him designed a
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: bit because that's just that's just the game now. And yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you have it's a huge benefit if you have that
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: quarterback run element in your back. But and then you've
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: heard me talk about this with Josh Allen all the time,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like there's an equilibrium. Yeah, you don't want to run
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: him so little that you lose that chess piece in
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: that factor that has keeped the defense honest. But you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to run him so much that he's getting
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: banged up and he's becoming less of a player both
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: as a runner and a passer.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not easy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: There's no like thirty carries boom like, there's no exact
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: number from game to game, season to season that defines that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I think it's really one of the harder things for
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: an offense coordinator and a team to figure out. But
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, now one of these teams is going to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: kind of have to find that equilibrium. And there might
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: not be one there honestly might not be one, but
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be one of the teams now with Drake
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: may just like the Bill's been doing for years with
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, that has to find that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm not advocating for Drake made to be them
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: designing runs for him a ton in the open field
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: like between the twenties, as part of like the core
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: tenants of their offense like a Baltimore and Lamar Jackson,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: not even like readoption stuff. I would be okay with
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that from the gun, But I'm not saying that I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: want him to run the ball like one hundred times
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: a year, right like Cam Newton did in twenty twenty,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: asking for that. But the things that I think are
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: important for him to incorporate his legs on are short yardage,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: high leverage situations, right third down and two third down
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and one goal line. You know, those are the types
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of things that just having the quarterback account for somebody
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: or the defense have to account for the quarterback in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: some capacity, just as it's such a schematic advantage to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the offense that makes it so difficult to defend you
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that I you kind of have to do it if
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you have that ability as the quarterback. Like if you
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: don't have a mobile quarterback, then obviously you're not going
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to do it. You know, if you have Kirk Cousins,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be running zone reads on the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: goal line. But with a guy like Drake May, you
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: absolutely can. And the only time that he keeps is
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: when it's like a clear path to the end zone
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and ideally he's not even getting hit, right, he's just
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: waltzing into the end zone like he did in the preseason.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I think that was what Week two of the preseason
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: last year where he scored that rushing touchdown and he
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: just kind of waltzed into.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: The end zone. He had one of the regular season
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: two did he was it against Houston? He had one
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: last year he was in the throwbacks. Okay, I remember that,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I'll pull it up. But so, and that's just what
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: we're on. The drake may like another thing they can
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: do and maybe this isn't the setting to do it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Figure out what his I don't even know what probably
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is a technical phrase for it, but like how he's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: gonna terminate his runs right and ideally if he's by
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the sideline, he gets the sideline, or if he can score,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: he scores. But like is gonna because we went through
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: this last year where like is sliding the best thing
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: because in the action of the slide, you leave yourself exposed,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: even if you're giving yourself up.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: A penalty people like diving for like head first, right
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you can talk and cover and like kind of figuring
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: out how they want him to do that is something
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: else that should be on the to do list this offseason. Absolutely,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: all right, let's move on.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: The next thing I wanted to talk about here on
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the Old Rundown is Stefan Diggs being out at Patriots
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: practice on Monday. Our first look at Stefan Diggs out
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: of Patriot practice, and I gotta say I'm excited I'm excited.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: How can you not be excited watching a receiver of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that caliber in a Patriot uniform in a Patriot practice,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: even though it was against air. Catching passes from Drake
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: may on routes against air is still something that we
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: haven't seen yet and I was really excited.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Thing.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: The two things that stand out are obviously how far
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: along he is physically, and you know, we don't have
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: any inside information on truly what his timeline is or
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: anything like that, but he based off of what we've
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: seen from other players, and the one that we a
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: lot of people have gone back and compared it to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: because its recent is Kendrick Bourne's recovery from his ACL
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. And Kendrick Bourne tore his
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: ACL in October. Stefond Day to his ACL in October,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: so it's like kind of the same exact timeline. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: we never saw Kendrick Bourne in a practice until he
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: was on the field on a game.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Like you.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: He was out there in a T shirt and shorts,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: just kind of walking around. Yeah, we never saw him
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: do positional drills. We never saw him do jogg thrus. Obviously,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs did not do team periods, but this is
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: already further along than a lot of guys that we've
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: seen in our experience on the Beat Beat at this point.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And again, I don't want to put necessarily put timelines
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: on it, but I can't help but feeling like his
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: goal of being back for week one is not totally
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: out of sight. Like when you look at him moving,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: there might be a little bit still of like his
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: gait is like maybe a little bit of a limp,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like it's not one hundred percent yet, But he was
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: looking really good. I mean the routes he was running.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: When he was actually running the route, he was looking explosive,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: he was looking fast. And the other thing that stood
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: out to me is just the type of swagger and
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: confidence that a true superstar receiver like Stefan Diggs brings
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to a practice and brings that kind of two at practice.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: They haven't had a guy like that in quite some
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: time that comes on the field and is like all right,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: like you know the alpha is here right, like that
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. And I know he's older, I know
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: he's coming off the injury, but this was extremely exciting
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: to me to watch this unfold and the fact that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they're already getting him into some of these walkthroughs. Tells
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: me that they're thinking that maybe this timeline is going
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to be you know, accelerated compared to other ACL recoveries
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: as well, because other you know, they're trying to get
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: him in on the plates, right, they want to get
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: him running and get him in on the places. So
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: what did you see from Stefan Diggs? I was super
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: excited about what I saw.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you hit on a lot of it,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: just the way he was moving. And this was the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: big unknown when they signed him, was this is a
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: guy that's what thirty one years old right coming off
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of torn ACL. You don't know if he's gonna look
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the same and what's the timeline look like. And he
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: didn't do any of the competitive team stuff, right, He
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: did individual positional stuff. He did some of that walk
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: through stuff that was offensive'us defense and that was it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And then he was over on that side field with
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Jalen Polk was also rehabbing. But like for for what
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: he did, I don't want to say he was full
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: go because he didn't do every drill, but when he
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: was on the field, like it looked like he was
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: running one hundred percent and planting and cutting one hundred percent.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Like in that sense, he looked good to go. Clearly
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: there's some other checkpoints he has to hit, which isn't
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: surprising given the timeline. Like you mentioned to, Mike g
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: already reported yesterday that he's still not one hundred percent.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: He hasn't been fully cleared, which is what we saw.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: But if he's doing that now, can he start to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: be involved in some of the team stuff in camp. Yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and if he can do that well, now week ones
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: realistic because he'll be on the same page as Drake
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: may because that's part of.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: With Kendrick Porne too. Last year, remember is it wanted
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: some lead up time? Yeah, it was game shape, it
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was up time, that sort of saying. It wasn't that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: he wasn't structurally healthy, He just wasn't.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He wasn't football. It wasn't in football shape. So if
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that's something Digs can work out and camp now week
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: ones on the table.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So look, I don't know what the inside his knee
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: looks like.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen the X ray. I'm not a doctor.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what to make of it if I did.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But just the way he's moving out there. You usually
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: don't see guys that recently off in ACL moving like that,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: so you have to figure that he's ahead of schedule.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And Kendrick Bourne last year, I think that the talk
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and this was externally. We don't know exactly, but it
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: was kind of like he probably wouldn't have needed to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: miss all four games he had a missed by opening
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on PUP, but he would have missed a couple so
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it just made more sense put him on PUP and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: give him the ramp up time and like. And that's
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: not uncommon for guys coming off with torn ACL. But
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: let's say realistically, like Bourne could have gone in week
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: two or three, it looks like Diggs is more than
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: two or three weeks ahead of where Kendrick Bourne was.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah so. And I don't think Bourne was slow by
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: any means in his return. That was about what everybody
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: was expecting. Yeah So's it was definitely encouraging just to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: see how well Diggs was moving.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I really feel like Stefan Diggs and assuming that everything
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: goes well with him, you know, in terms of his
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: buying and things like that, I really feel like Stefan
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Diggs is going to be a huge impact player for
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: this team based off of what we saw the other day.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I know it's only one practice, but I'm also basing
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: it off of what he looked like in Houston before
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: he got hurt last year, what he's looked like in
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: some of these videos that he's posted on social media
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: of his work, probably workouts away from the facility that
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: he's been doing to me, but you know, just off
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the eye test, like he looks like Steffan Diggs, Like
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: he looks like a guy that is moving with purpose,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: like explosive cuts in and out of breaks, you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: changing directions on a dime, running routes, like the technician
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that he has been in the past. And when you
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: start to think about the ways that he can be
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: used in a Josh McDaniel offense, and how they can
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: put him different spots in the formation, whether it's out
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: wide or in the slot, or in a bunch or
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in a condensed split, or whatever the case may be,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: they can find all these different ways to get him
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage and into good matchups and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: his whole career and even last year in Houston, he
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: was on pace for another one hundred catch season, he
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: was gonna have one hundred catches over a thousand yards
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: for the Texans last year before he got hurt. If
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is healthy, Stefan Texas catching a hundred balls
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like that's just that's the reality, especially in this offense. Yeah,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: they're gonna use him the way we think they're gonna
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: use it. So I don't see any reason to believe
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: on you know, June fourth, which I get is were
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: ways away from actually playing games. If he's healthy, I
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: don't see any reason to believe that he's not going
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: to be one hundred balls like he is every other
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: year of his career. So that that's an extremely incouraged.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: The bigger question than me, And this goes more to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the structure of his knee because it's it's more yards
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: after the catch. He Oh yeah, he has caught a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: hundred passes every yr going back for year in Buffalo.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thousand yards.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think what we're because Edelman is still
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the Patriots last thousand yard receiver, right, yep.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, eight hundred would be like Jacobe Myers, Kendrick Bourne.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I think a clip stayed on him like seven hundred
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: yeast year, right, yeah, last one thousand yard receiver is
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Edelman in nineteen I think.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Is he also the last hundred cat allo?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's definitely in play. Now I've said
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it before with Diggs, I'll say it again. The one
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: thing that I would, you know, I think fans should
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: prepare for is that the Stefan Diggs towards the end
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in Buffalo and the Stefan Diggs in Houston before he
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: got hurt last year was a possession receiver. This is
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a middle of the field, first and second level possession receiver.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: The days of him being like the explosive take the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: top off the defense, you know, really take chunks out
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of the defense type of guy. I don't know if
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that is still his game, like I and that's not
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a bad thing. It's just that he's gonna be the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: chain mover, the engine, the possession guy in this offense
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: when he's healthy, and they've got to find and we
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: can talk about some other guys in that room like
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: we got. They got to find the explosive place like
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to find that I think still someplace else.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Not saying that Diggs isn't gonna have any explosive places,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure he'll have some, but that's not where
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: he was last year with Houston. It's not where he
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: was in his last season in Buffalo. You know, his
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: last year in Buffalo and last year in Houston. It's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: you know, third and six, We're gonna find Stefon Diggs
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: over the middle for eight or nine yards like that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: That was his game and that's a ton of value
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: to have that kind of you know, safety net for
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: a quarterback. I'm not saying that there's no value in
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that by any means, but just that that's the one
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: thing I would prepare for with Diggs.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: All right, die, here is this right, Julian Edelman. So,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Julian Edmind's the only got with one hundred catches since
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I went back ten years, Yeah, twenty fourteen. He only
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: did it once in that span.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I could believe that because you know, the Edelman had
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: some injury, right, So I went back twenty to fifteen.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: He was probably on pace for his best season and
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that's when he got hurt.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Right, So I went back to the year, so we
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: caught one hundred and thirteen. The ninety two sixty one
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: was fifteen. He got hurt. He had ninety eight in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, So he was right there. Seventy four caught
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteen, and then he just caught twenty
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: one that last year. So they've only had one guy
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: catch one hundred balls in the last decade.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. But so Diggs maybe did James White
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: never did it.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: No, So James White I think peaked at seventy. Okay,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I have a James White adjacent take if you want
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about the running backs, but I want to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: find a one thousand yard receivers first.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: What's your what's your take? I was the last thousand
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: yard receiver.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Edelman in nineteen, also Cooks in seventeen, Gronk and seventeen
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Man that offense was awesome. Edelman in sixteen, Gronkin fifteen,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Gronkin fourteen.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Not to go on nostalgia and when we have stuff
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: to talk about, but the fact that we never got
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to see Cooks, Gronk and Edelman on the field together
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: is such a bummer.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: They're just going to.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Ruin in my day right now. Well, that's what we're doing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: It's just such a bummer, like that offense. That offense
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: felt like it had I didn't say, oh, seven potential,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: but like had the potential to be one of the
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: one of the better offenses of the entire twenty.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Eleven potential maybe, Yeah, like sevens off for twenty ten,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that's what I meant. Yeah, twenty ten. Yeah, I that's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: that's one of my big second guests of the Dynasty.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And look, they obviously were very successful, but like.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Well, they literally won the Super Bowl the next.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Year with them. I know, I wish they kept Cooks, though.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I also just always really liked him as a player.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That's so I had a hot take at the time
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: because do you remember why the Saints traded Cooks Because
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: him and Michael Thomas were both upset and they were
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: getting the balling off, and they basically had a trade
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: one to meet the other happy. I said at the time,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: they traded the wrong guy. And this was right at
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the peak hype of slant Boy. Michael Thomas had just
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: caught like one hundred and thirty five Fastes or something like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: you're nuts, Brandon Cooks is just fast whatever. Yeah, in retrospect.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: No, if Brandon Cooks had a great Brandon.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Cooks had a much better career than Michael Thomas. Did.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks was a very good player. He's still a
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: bad play ya, He's still had a bad player. Not
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: what he was, but he still had a bad player
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: as enough. Brandon Cook's reminiscing, but I'm always down to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: do more if you guys want to call him talk
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. James White peaked at eighty seven catches in
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen seventy two the next year. So my take
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: on this is, I think a it's going to depend
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: how they split the snaps right and obviously health, but
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: looking at how they're using the running backs in the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: spring and still early, but looking at how they're using
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: their running backs in the spring, not just who's out there,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: but some of the formational stuff they're doing, the pairings
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing with these guys, I think a running back
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: finishes and I I'm not ready to say who, but
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I think a running back finishes top three on the
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: team in catches this year, maybe even top two if
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Diggs is fully healthy, Digs will be one. There's I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: think there's a real chance of running back as second
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: most catches. And again you'll.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Definitely think there's a chance that Trayvon Anderson is.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: That Yeah, you look at the last couple of years
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of Josh James Flight really kind of took over the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: role in twenty sixteen sixty catches, fifty six, eighty seven,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: seventy two, and then he was hurt the last two
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: years forty nine to twelve. But in the peak there's
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: anywhere from really sixty to seventy catches, and then got
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: up to eighty seven that one year. So my thing
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: with Henderson is like, how are they gonna split the carries?
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Is gonna be on the field enough if it truly
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: is just Travion Henderson in the James White role. Yeah,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Travion Henderson's gonna be top three in the team catches
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if he stays healthy.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: So there's two ways to look at what at this take.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: The one way is in a positive that Trayvon Henderson
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: is a difference maker and they're just trying to find
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: ways to get him.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Before the balls. I think you're gonna there's two things
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: behind this take. That's one of them.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: The other one is is that we just drafted this
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: running back in the top of the second round and
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: we need to get him touches.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Oh no, there's another part of the takedown so that's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: because I'm a worry ward Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: If the one thing that I worry about with Trayvon
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Henderson and a little bit based off what we've seen
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: in these practices too, is that like the swing screen
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: in the flat to Travion Henderson is just gonna be
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: spammed all season long, whether it's working or not, because
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: they're trying to make Travon Henderson happen well like and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it brings me back a little bit to like John
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and Smith in twenty twenty one.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: So but like they've been good about it too, Like
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: they when Damien Harris, who was not picked his eye
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: as Travan Henderson was top one hundred pick like, when
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it didn't work with him right away, they sat him.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Now they had other options. I'm not worried about it
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: not working because Henderson can't make it work.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's just are they just one of them one of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: overdoing it?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And like one of the little faults of Josh because
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I love McDaniels, but one of the little
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: faults that he has at times is you know, force
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: feeding targets and touches on like you know, the same
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: play screenplay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, ad time, So here's The thing with with
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Henderson though, for me, like if you were just gonna
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: rank as his potential because a lot of these guys
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we havent seen him yet. But like if you were
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: going to rank explosive playmaking ability, big place threat from
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: their skill position players, he's number one probably. I think
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: he's number one. I don't think he's number one, He's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: up there. I really in terms of a guy that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: has skill position, not running back skill position, So the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: best skill on the team currently, that has the best
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: breaking express you know, the ability to tilt, you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: flip the field right with his speed. Yeah, I would
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: say probably to be Travon Henderson.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd put Pop ahead of him, But I mean maybe,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I mean tray Van Henderson hasn't played yet in the NFL.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: That's part of it.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: If we're just going off of pure game breaking speed
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and play in space, like I I.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Popped, you feel strong. So that was part of the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: other reason I gave that take is like McDaniel's the volume,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Like he has certain guys that he just wants to
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: feed the ball. Yeah, I would imagine tray Van Henderson
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is gonna be on that short list, Like they don't
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: have how many volume receivers do they have? Digs can
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: bait certainly Kyle Williams. Maybe I'm I I still like
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to pick. I'm still not entirely sure how they're gonna
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: use him. I'm interested to see what that's gonna look like.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So he could be depending on his role, but the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: X isn't usually a volume role in Josh McDaniel's offense,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and then Hunter Henry, so there's not in Remandre Hermandre
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: is gonna get his fair share the pass game, though maybe.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Not in the past. I'm saying, like throwing the ball
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: in general, he's gonna get.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: But I just I think Henderson's probably on the short
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: list of guys that McDaniels is gonna want a volume roll.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's probably, you know, maybe closer than from
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: between him and Pop And I made it sound but
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: if I had to say, who's the most uh the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: most dangerous player on the field on their roster right now,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably Travon Henderson already.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I mean the big play guys to me, and this
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: is not knowing where Diggs is that after the knee
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and you said before he's kind of this more possession
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: receiver now, uh, it's it's it's in whatever order. Travon Henderson,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams, and two of those are unpotential
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: because their rookies. But like those are those are your
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: big play threats, Hunter Henry really good player, really good player.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: They're more of a chain movie, right. I still think
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Rmandreis Evens is a good player. Chain mover, maybe not
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: as much in the past game. You know, Mac Hollins
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: chain mover, digs at this point, really good chain mover,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: chain mover.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Those are your big play guys. Okay, So moving on
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: to the next item here I had on my list
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Jelanie Devai going down with an injury during practice was
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: always those things are always a tough scene. You know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: players were huddled around him on a knee and things
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: like that, and it looked worse than luckily at least
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: what the reporting is. I think Ian Rapaport was first
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: on it yesterday saying that it's an injury that's significant
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: enough to knock him out of mini camp or the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: rest of the spring. But that's really just mini camp
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: at this point. But it's not.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also it said the report said that he
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: should be back by he said he's out until training camp. Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: so that means like maybe some individual stuff he was
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: going to do in the offseason he won't be able
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to do. He might be you know, is he a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: guy that opens on pup because he's off on that
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: side field and has to get back into football shape
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: for the first week or whatever.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So based off the reporting, it's a it's a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: calf injury for Jelani to Vuy and and when you
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: when I heard that report, it made sense to me
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: why the reaction was the reaction because that could be achilles, right,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and so when everybody was looking, you know, worried and
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: concerned about Jelanie to Vai, we didn't really know what
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it was. It looked like a leg injury, but we
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: were just looking from across the practice field and really
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: had no idea. So when the calf injury came out
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: then and then the achilles, uh would make sense. Is
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: what people were worried about around him. You know, his
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: teammates were worried about that it was and those calf injuries.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: As we've all become experts, I'm sure on achilles tendentis
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: for other reasons in this region. Uh, the the calf
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: is obviously sometimes a prerequisite to blowing in achilles, So
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you have to be careful that you don't come back
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: to early. Happened with Kevin Durant, Uh that he came
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: back too early, came back for the NBA Finals. What
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: are you doing over there? I didn't do any came
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: back for the NBA Finals and uh and ruptured his
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: achilles after trying to play on a calf injury. So
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I don't know a bunch of
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Lyne deVie situation.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Just just put it on the ground. I just want
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to work.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think the tape gave out breaking stuff. But
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I think that the bigger thing with July Diva is
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: not necessarily you know his timeline and return from injury,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: because we're still ways away from playing any games to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: help him out over there. He's just comes into our
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: studio starts breaking things. I am doing it fell uh
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: and Uh the biggest thing.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Making sure to not break things. I was swinging the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: micro earlier to get more or less tension on the court.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I think there's two things that come from the Diva thing. One,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think that his job security is one
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: hundred percent safe on this team. Like, I'm still I
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: think Devi is a perfectly good football player, but I'm
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: still trying to figure out his role in this defense
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and well exactly he fits within the scheme that they're
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: trying to run currently. And then the second thing is
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: is Julyant Devis played a lot of snaps for this
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: team over the last couple of years. If he is
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: not there, how do we feel about their other options?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously Splain is going to be a big part of
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: that linebacker mix, but how do we feel about it
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: being Christian Ellis and Jack Gibbons and maybe my guy Marte.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get to that, Like finally three years later,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you're seeing Marte mop who play some linebacker.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: How do you feel, well, coaching staff that's willing to
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: actually pay fast guys and athletic guys at linebacker are
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: seeing that it's more of a stylistic Yeah, he can
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: fit there, but we've had a lot of questions about this,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like on on our shows about linebacker depth
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: and people not being crazy about their options at linebacker,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and if this coaching staff does have a vision of
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: how to use Tavia if Tavia is now not in
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the mix, that really should bring those questions up even
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I would think. So first part of the question will
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: start there, what do you how do you view Julani
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Tavai right now in the scope of this roster.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's right there on the bubble. Yeah, and I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: think there's a role for him. And we talked about
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: this the other week. A guy that comes in goal line,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: short yardage and still gives you that thumping downhill, big
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: physical linebacker that you're probably not gonna have on the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: field nearly as much as they used to, but twenty
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: five thirty percent of the time is a guy you
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: might want to have in your back pocket. And then
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you'll play on special teams as well, right to justify
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the roster spy, So that could be a role. Is
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: that a role that they maybe feel like they have
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: to have, or maybe you sign somebody the practice squad
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that you can elevate for certain games, Like I don't
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: think Devia has to be that guy. I don't think
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: he's unique in playing that role. So I think he's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: on the bubble. And if he's gonna miss time in camp,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that obviously doesn't help. I don't think it's something he
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: can't overcome if he's just gonna miss the first week,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you know, especially with that role be back when the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: pads are on right, we don't need to see in coverage.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: So but I I think he's right there on the bubble.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: He's one of these kind of situational guys that this
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: is what the at large roster spots come down to.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Would they rather have that guy.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Versus maybe it's keeping him to stop the run versus Okay,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: well we want to keep a third height end and
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a full back. They want to keep c. J. Deprie
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and brock Lampy, not Spencer Larson brock Lampy. Right, Maybe
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it's you know, keeping that sixth wide receiver is the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: difference there. Maybe it's a third quarterback. We go on
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: on fourth running back, right, So I think that's probably
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: where he's competing. He's going to be in for one
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of those at large spots.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So my view on it with Tovay in terms of
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: his fit in the defense, there is definitely sound reasoning
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to think if they put Robert Splaine and now it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: different defenses, but just you know, stay with me, if
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: they put Robert Splaine in like a Jawan Bentley type
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: role where that's he's truly the mic and he's truly
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: like the tackle you know guy that that's playing at
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the point of attack and is reading out run trying
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to funnel everything to him. Then you and then you
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: put to Vie back into that hybrid fixer role I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: think is what they used to call it in the
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: old defense. Like if you put him back in that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: like weak side hybrid role, that's what he played at
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a really high level at a couple.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Of years ago. Yeah, so I could see the.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Vision of well, if Spolaine is going to really be
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the Simon sound funneling the ball to him in the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: run game, he's gonna plug the a gaps like that's
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Splaine's role in the defense. Then to VI's back to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: kind of roaming like he was in twenty three and
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: here with the Patriots. Then yeah, maybe you could go
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: back to seeing the good version of Jelanie Tavia last
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: year when he was trying to play the Juwan Bentley role,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: he was overmatched. But maybe if you go back to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that role a couple of years ago, you could see it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But when I watched these practices him and Anthony Jennings
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: just stand out to me as guys without a home
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: right now. I just don't really feel they want to
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: get smaller, they want to get faster at linebacker. If
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you're gonna play weak side linebacker in a defense like
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: that like this, there's two things that you have to
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: really be able to do. One thing is you got
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: to be able to chase the ball right, because you're
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: gonna be doing you know, a lot of fitting and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: then spilling right. So you're gonna have the guys at
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: the point of attack are gonna try to get the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: ball to bounce outside the numbers, So you need to
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: have somebody that can go across the field and make
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: that tackle when the ball bounces. Is that really Jelani
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Devi's game.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe he can lose some weight and get down to
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: a faster or more sleek version of himself to be
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that way. And the other thing is when you roll
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: into zone coverage, you know, the weak side linebacker has
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of a really high stress zone assignments, especially
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: in cover three defenses when he's playing like the week Cook,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: where like you might have to pick up a crossing
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: route or something like that from the opposite side. So
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of athleticism that it usually takes to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: play that kind of role in this a true even
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: front mechanic type defense. So we'll see what if that's
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: to buy Like, it definitely feels like it's a little
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: bit more Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, you know, one of
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: those types of guys. Maybe it's Marte mop who finally
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: clicks for him and it's sort of his type of role.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's you know, dugger in the box right and
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: he's the one that's really playing that kind of weak
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: side role. So it'd be interesting to see where that
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: goes in terms of his fit. Because Jennings stand up edgsetter,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: this is a four down defense, Like, that's not really
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a role anymore in this defense. To vise, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: that big hybrid linebacker, that's not really a role too
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: much in this defense either. So whenever we watch these practices,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: those two guys just look to me like solid football players,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: guys that can contribute and certainly can deserve to be
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: on teams. But where do they fit on this football team?
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I'm still not entirely sure. How do we feel about
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: their debt behind to vide behind Splaine. This is again
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: a question that we get all the time, you know,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: asking questions about that linebacker position.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't sleep on Jack Gibbons, you know. I don't
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: think he's Splaine, but he's somebody that people in Tennessee
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: were high on, kind of surprised that he was let go,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and I think he's in the opportunities he's gotten. He's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: looked good. And Marte Mapu in the picture as well.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: It's not their deepest position. I don't know that it's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: a spot that I'm super worried about, because again, Tavai
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't like if Spalaine goes down right, and if you
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: or Gibbons right, you're trying to plug somebody into that role.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: That's not a role you're plugging to Vay into that
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: ideal because he plays it the game completely differently. So
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: could they use another linebacker maybe, Like I wouldn't be
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: against that, and that might be a guy you can
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: just get on waivers or something. Yeah, you know, down
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: the road. But I don't know that I felt any
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: better or worse like depending on Tavai. He's in a
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: different category to me.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I either way, I feel is not any worse
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: really about it either, because I don't think that they're
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: gonna play a lot more than two linebackers at a time.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And then when I say linebackers, I mean like true
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: off linebackers, like their base defense will have two off
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: ball linebackers. But I don't envision them playing very many
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: linebackers to begin with. On third down. I don't know
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: if they're going to be playing any of those guys. Well, so,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and I mean, you know, I'm sure situationally third and short.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: So that's where I think. Well, no, I say third
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and long like Christianellis we saw last year after in coverage.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Right, But is Christianelli's gonna play or are they gonna
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: do like you know, are they going to add another
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: pass rusher onto the field and still are pure pass.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing I was gonna say is they
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: can you know, they have safeties that can do some
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: linebacker type and Peppers and and Doug It.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I just I just wonder if nowadays, when you look
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: at a third down defense, and I'm talking about like
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: third and medium to long, you know, third and five plus,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of defenses play like five rushers and then
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: six defensive backs and there's like really no middle there's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: no middle layer to that. If they run the football,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: then the safeties are just coming from depth and filling
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: like their linebackers. They really have done away with the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: mid range there of a defense, right, like that doesn't
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: really exist anymore. It's five guys up up top, you know,
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: across the line of scrimmage to rush the quarterback, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: then it's the six guys in the back end. And
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: so at that point, I don't even know if Splain
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: is gonna necessarily be on the field a ton on
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: like third and eight, right, Like, I just I don't
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: know if that's necessarily going to be where he plays.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm saying they need like three linebackers.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: They need three linebackers for the season that can have
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: that they feel comfortable playing at a high volume because
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: someone will get hurt, right Unfortunately, that's just the nature
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: of the beast. Well, is that Splain, Gibbons and Ellis?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: It could be, It could be. I think there's a
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: really good possibility that it is, or you know, maybe
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: it's ends up being a spline to vay in Ellis
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and then Gibbons is kind of like the fourth guy,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that's an a special teamer slash, you know, depth piece.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: But that's more what I think Tavay is. Yeah, because
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: if you want again, he's not a one for one
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: swap with Spline or even Ellis where Gibbons is. Yeah.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, a couple more items on Ota
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: s UH here and then we'll open up the phone
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: lines eight five five Pats five hundred is the phone
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: number if you want to jump in. We have a
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: bunch of emails coming into UH that we'll get to
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: here starting in a second. But I gotta ask you,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Alex June fourth, are we no not yet? Are we
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: buying or selling our chism stock right now? Are you
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: buying this efton chism hype?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I'm as hyped as most people.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Here's our Matt with eftin chism and this is a
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: very this is very much not a we have a
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: show to do today take.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: But we talked about this last year.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be You're gonna sit on the fence. We've
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: been before, right, it's not sitting on the fence. It's
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: not quite sitting on the fence. Okay, I don't think
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: is a Udfa or is anybody really you can win
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a roster spot in June. I just don't think you
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: can do it. Football's played in pads, are not in pats.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: That being said me, and you have seen what it
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: takes for Udfa, even at that position, to make a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: roster push and make the team. We saw that Jacobe
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Myers obviously do it. Even other guys who made the
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: team and maybe didn't have as much of an impact,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: a guy like Christian Wilkerson. Right, we've seen what it takes.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And ft and Chisholm right now is laying as good
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of a foundation as he could possibly lay to go
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: into camp with the stage set for him to win
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: a roster spot. The two things that stand out to
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: me about e Fton Chishlm Number one, really good hands catcher. Yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: And as much as the Patriots have struggled assimilating wide
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: receivers into Josh McDaniel's offense stortally, not just in the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: draft free agents, right, there's not and the ones that
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: have hit, there's not necessarily a ton of carryover between them.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It's not all one similar guy, but one thing they
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: all have in common. From Dion Branch to us welcome
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: to Julian Edelman, even Rob Gronkowski, they're all really good
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: hands catchers. What that means is you can go outside
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: your frame and get the football. You don't need to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: bring it in, you don't need to cradle it off
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: your body. It's just two hands. Like remember those old
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy football commercials. I think it's Chris Cooley like
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: punching through the wall to catch the football, right, Like,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that's what you think of when you think of hands catching.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I once heard a coach say, like, catching the football
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: is not a passive activity.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It is an active activity.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: You attack the football, you go out, you go get
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the football. And part of this too, is another layer
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to this. And this was a big Randy Moss thing
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and Rob Gronkowski thing. Not to put Chisselm in the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: same category.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: As those guys, That's what I heard.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Late hands right, you don't want as soon as the
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: ball is thrown, go like this because the cornerback's covering you,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: especially in man where he's not looking at the quarterback.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: All right, hands are up, balls coming. You watch some
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: like prime Randy Moss. The last second, it's just just
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: real quick with the hands, put the ball out and
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: he's been doing that so one strong hands catcher, which
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: generally works with Josh McDaniels too. It's been unbelievable the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: top of the route, his ability to set up, stack
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the defender, break off in an open space, it's consistent,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: it's clean every single time. So I love that he's
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: doing all that. I got to see it in pads
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: because what happens when the corner and I know, I
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: legal contact blah blah blah, but there's aways a little
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: pushing and shoving right at the top of the route.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: What happens in the corner can get his hands on
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: him at the top of the route. What happens when
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: he's getting off the line of scrimmage? What about how
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: good are his hands through contact? Right? So I'm not
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen people be like Efton Chisholm and Roster Locke territory.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Yet no, he's not. You can't be. Nobody, no Udfa
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: can be at this point of the year. It's just
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: not realistic. But he's doing everything he needs to do
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: at this point that when we get to August and
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the pads come on, like, we're not just going to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: be learning about He's set the stage. He's built the foundation.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: So we always talk.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: About Maurus Harris as the number one poster child for this.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give Marius Harris a break here today and
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: talk about somebody else.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a little different because Maurice Harris was more
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: straight line speed.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: And he was also more of a veteran player. But
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: the guy that I wanted to bring up today was actually,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: do you remember, I want to say it was twenty two.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Trade Nixon had a really nice spring. Yes, Trade Nixon
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: had a really like I had a really nice spring.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Trade Nixon was a seventh round pick by the Patriots.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I don't believe so I think he retired. Actually, oh
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah, he's a seventh round pick by the Patriots.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: He was Ernie Adams's pick. It was there his last draft.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: He drafted Trade Nixon. Bill gave him the pick, drafted
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Trade Nixon, and Trade Nixon was a speedy, shifty UH
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: receiver inside receiver mostly, and he had that skill set
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: and for the spring portion, UH he was lighting it
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: up with Mac Jones. Like him and mac Jones had
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: a rapport. It looked like that was going places. And
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: then to your point, the pads came on in August
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: and we never heard of trade Nixon again.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: It just completely dropped off.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: He also battled injuries throughout his career, nagging things that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: just kept on derailing his development and to that, and
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: you know, we've just built up scar tissue over time
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: here with these types of examples with our time on
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the beat of knowing when you just can't overreact to
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: guys this time of year. But I would say you
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: especially can't overreact to guys this time of year that
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: are really nifty route runners, like guys that really know
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: how to separate, because you can't get your hands on people,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: you can't be physical. There's no threat of the safety
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: coming down in clocking. You're not that they do that
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: in practice necessarily anyways, but there's just not a whole
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: lot of resistance and physicality to the game right now,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: so we have to see it when the pads come on.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: That being said, the one thing I am buying with
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Defton Chisholm that makes me think that he has a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: clear path to making this roster is that he just
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: fits the mold, like he fits the suit of what
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels looks for in that slot position, and you
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: mentioned the hands catching and attacking the football. That's a
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: big part of it. Another big part of it is
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: you know, finding those pockets of space and being able
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: to navigate high traffic areas over the middle of the
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: field and just knowing when to settle, knowing when to
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: sit against zone, knowing how to break off option routes.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: And when you start talking about the slot position and McDaniels'
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: offense over the years, one of the things that always
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: is important too is that it's a very high IQ
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: position because you have a lot of options to your routes.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Every route you run is going to have conversions or
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: options where if it's zone, you're doing this. If it's man,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: you're breaking away. If it's zone, you're sitting here. If
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: it's too high zone, you're sitting there. If it's one
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: high zone, you're sitting here. Like there's all sorts of
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: different intricacies to playing that specific position. We all know
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: probably about the Juke series with host juke and all
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, where it's different breaks and different
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: sort of things based off the coverage. It's not a
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: coincidence that Julian Edelman, former quarterback Kobe Meyer's former quarterback.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Like the guys that we've seen recently succeed at a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: high level in that role have all had backgrounds as
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: for quarterbacks. Now, Efton Chisholm doesn't have that, But when
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I watch ft and Chisholm play in here so far
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: in the spring, he has that high IQ or that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: innate ability to just find those areas of the field.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: So it's not I'm not so much.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Over the top about e ft and Chislm individually in
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: a vacuum, but I am seeing, Okay, this is a
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel slot receiver. And we talked about in the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: draft whether it was like Xavier or Estreppo or any
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: of those types of guys. This was just kind of
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: like small school Xavier restrict. Yeah, like that's what they
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: kind of did here with Chishm, and that archetype has
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: a role on this team.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: So I again, it's not to say, you know, we're
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: kind of coming in here and really talking down on
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: the kid.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: It's not to say we don't think he can do it.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Like I still put together, like I'll do a ross
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: projection after many camp next week, I'm probably gonna have
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: him one yeah, like I think he's on pace to
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: do it, and the things we've seen him do he's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: done well again finding space, creating separation at the top
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: of the route, catching the football.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: But that's not.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: There are more things he's going to need to prove
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: he can do in order to make the team. It's
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: not that he's failed at them, they just haven't come
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: up yet, because that's how this process works. So he's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: just got to check a couple more boxes that he
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: hasn't even gotten to, and he's on track to make
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the team. But to say he's you know, a roster
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: lock right now or trending in that direction, it's just
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: entirely too early.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: So if you're I know it's stereotypical to talk about
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Ethan Chisholm in this way, But there's a reason why
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: every single time a Ryley McCarron or An Austin Carr
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: or any Braxon Barrios, when those guys start came through
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: here in the Dynasty years and the Brady years, there's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a reason why everybody latched onto those guys as there's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: a possibility this player can make the roster. And I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: say that they you know, I feel the same way
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: about Chisholm, Like, I think that Chisholm just has that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: mold and has that skill set that just fits the role.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And Drake May in college and a lot of people
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: have brought this up with Pop Douglas, and I think
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: it is relevant with Pop as well. His most productive
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: receiver in college was Josh Down Yeah, and that's a smaller,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: shifty slot receiver. I still think and I talked about
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: this yesterday when I was on with Felger and Maz like,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: people need to stop putting Pop Douglas and Efton Chism
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: together as if it's one of the other, because it's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: not there. They play differently. There are different types of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: and you know.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Felger's take yesterday was Chisholm on Pop off, to which
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I'd say, if Pop's not making the team, and we
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: sort of talked to those fourth the running backs, they
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: can't afford to give up on that speed. Not for
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: guy with that with the ability that he has, it's
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: already not a fast room. And if you move on
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: from Pop Douglas. So I look at it like Chisholm
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: is more than that Edelman Jacobe Myers mold.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: He's built more like Edelman.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I think his skill set is probably closer to Myers,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: but he's just not as big Pop Douglas. To me,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: I'll keep going back to this is Danny Amandola. Pop
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Douglass is built like a slot receiver, but he plays
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: more vertically, and he has more of that straight line
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: speed that allows you to keep a defense honest vertically
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: rather than a guy like Edelman or Myers who stretches
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you horizontally. They can both be on the roster. Frankly,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: they can both be on the field at the same time.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Not all the time because he can't be that small
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: all the time, but there is absolutely.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Room for both of them. I don't think it's in
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: one or the other.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I don't really think they're comparable players if it had been,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: if they had drafted Jalen Noel. He's more comfortable to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglass to me, because he has more of that
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: game breaking speed. He's faster, he's more a vertical player.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think Chisholm and Pop there's some similarities, not
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: entirely different, but I think to say, you know, oh, well,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: they have these receivers guys like Pop Douglas and Fton Chisholm.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Those are two different players.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: That's like saying, yeah, they have a bunch of running backs,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: guys like Sony Michelle and James White, both good players.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Sony Michelle and James White are not the same, Like
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: they don't do the same thing. Yeah, there's some overlap
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: between pop and chism, but I don't think it's nearly
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: as much as people are making it. I agree, And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know about Ammon Doola, Like when I watch
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: pop though, I don't know if he's ever going to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: get to the volume that Dion Branch got to.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that's sort of the type of I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: thought Kyle Williams movements. I just feel like, I don't know.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: I I feel like Kyle Williams is more what I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: am starting to see with him is more Brandon cos
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: that's on Branch. But like that that's the way that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I just look at pop just because of the the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: the quick twitch ability, Like Dion Branch was also very
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: quick and has that like those explosive shifty movements, and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that Pop Douglas has. Pop Douglas also, I think, you know,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to your point about them being different, Pop Douglas can
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: be a scheme touch guy like Pop Douglas can be
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: a screen merchant. He can be a jet sweep guy.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: You know, you can get him the ball near the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage in some space and he can run
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: with the football. That's not eft Chism's game. Aft Chism
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: does not have juice like that. After the catch, He's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: going to get caught from behind. He's not going to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: stretch the field horizontally on a jet sweep.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Or something like that.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Efton Chishm is going to be that Julian Edelman Wes
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Welker type of slot receiver that's just going to you know,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: eat up middle of the field coverage, right Like, that's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: gonna be at Chism if he succeeds, if he pans out.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: So they are different in that sense. Pop Douglas is
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: much more explosive than Afton Chism. Is The difference to
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: me though with Pop compared deft and Chishlm is that
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I think Efton Chisholm has a little bit more of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: feel an instinct. He's a better out runner of the game, yea,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: not just the physical technique but the mental size.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Like Pop Douglas is a great man to man beater
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: because he's just he's just runs away. Hell yeah, right,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: and it's just hard to cover him in a phone booth.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: But he's not necessarily the best at like fueling out
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: coverage and understanding where to sit and understanding where the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: voids are and finding the space. If he developed that,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: then I think Pop Douglas could be like in a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: thousand yard receiver in this offense. I don't know if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: he's ever going to develop that now that we're going
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: into year three, I don't know if that exists in
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: his We'll see how they use him, we'll see how
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: they work with him.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But again I just I don't think him And like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the guy Chisholm is really competing with for me is
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Jaylen Polk, Like that's the similar and again.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Paul Kendrick Bourne those types of things.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: But I think Polk especially because again that's that Polk
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: got all the comps to Myers, right, that's the guy
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: that isn't necessarily fast, but is going to get open
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: at the sticks. And then again what Polk was supposed
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: to be not what he was last year, but we
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: talked about him in the draft. He's gonna get open
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: at the sticks. He's gonna find space in the defense,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: He's gonna sit down and his own things like that.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: That's the guy that plays more like Chisholm in theory
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: is Polk. That really, to me is the big competition.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Those two guys are more redundant than Chisholm and Pop.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Chishm and Pop are just they have similar builds.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the word that I've heard Joshua Daniel's using the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: past is like he brings energy, like he puts energy
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: into the offense. Pop Douglas puts energy like. That's what
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: he does now efton Chisholm, I'm not sure if that
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: he's gonna do that right, but he's also I think
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: he's gonna have a little bit more a feel for
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the the for coverage and for the game in general.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: All Right, moving on now to another thing that's just
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: really on my radar with his team, and then I'll
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: give you a second to talk about the kickers before.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: We wrap this up.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: But this is and I know we've been pretty offense heavy,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: but this wasn't really a big It wasn't a big
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: defense practice, to be honest with you. But the one
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: thing that's really squarely on the radar for me right
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: now is what's going on at left guard. I really
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: feel like they're searching for a left guard. I'm not
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: saying there is a guy, isn't a guy on the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: roster that necessarily I'm not saying that they're they're in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: trouble with that spot yet. But you have a guy
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: like Wes Schweitzer, who we've talked about in the past,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: kind of like a Michael Jordan from last year, right
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: where it's a veteran guy. He started some games in
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: the league, but he's not necessarily you don't necessarily feel
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: awesome if he's the starter. Let's just put it too
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: that way, you don't necessarily feel awesome. Then you have
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: some younger guys that either haven't lived up to it,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: like Cole Strange and he was asked point plant the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: other day frankly, you just haven't lived up to being
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: a first round pick. And he kind of knows it right,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: you know, he didn't shy away from it. And then
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: you have you know, citysow Leyden Robinson, who we haven't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: really seen as much of getting those opportunities with the
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: top group. I knew Tyrese Robinson did last week when
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: we were out there, but whatever reason, and I don't
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: know what the reason is, but it doesn't feel like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson is necessarily catching on. Just based off the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: reps and what we're seeing out at practice, it doesn't
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: seem like he's really the in that mix yet for
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: that spot. If it's Schweitzer, I feel I don't feel
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: great about that in terms of, you know, just overall
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: getting your best five out there and top end talent
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: type of thing. But maybe he could just kind of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: be at least a steady presence there.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: For George. We did this a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: but he's got to be better than Michael Jordan's I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: know he did, but can he be Teddy Carris but
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the guy that started with ten games in the last
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: three years. So no, no the answer, But I'm not
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: saying it's right. But I didn't we to have this debate,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like a couple.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Of weeks ago about him being Michael Jordan.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Be in it and don't rule out, don't rule him out.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's wide open. I think they're gonna let
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: it be settled when the pads come on. I think
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna come down to. And this goes
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: back to us not seeing all the practices. Right, We've
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: seen West Schweitzer, we've seen Cole Strange, We've seen I think,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: did city still have a left guard day or was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: here right I saw?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: We saw somebody else. We saw Robinson as he was.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: He wasn't there the other day. But like who there's
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: probably a Laydon Robinson day behind closed doors, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: just clods into a day behind closed doors. So a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: day behind closed doors, who knows. We'll see a little
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: bit next week because we'll be out there all three days.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: But like I think it's gonna be when the pads
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: come on, it's wide open. Somebody will have to get
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the first snap, just because somebody's got to go yeah,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: and maybe that'll be Schweitzer, just based on what we've seen.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: But lightly, lightly, lightly penciling that in, I don't think.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I think they're far from decided.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: It's it's something that's worth talking about. We talked about
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: on this show. I know for a fact, signing a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: veteran left guard that was maybe a little bit more
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: proven and a little bit more stabled in West Schweitzer
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: in free agency or possibly drafting somebody high to play
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: left guard. You know, we talked at nauseum about guys
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: like Wyatt Milam and stuff like that.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: It sounds like they might have thought about it. It
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: reports he had fallen thirty eight. Yeah, so you know
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: those types of guys. We still haven't seen Jared Wilson
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: participate in full yet, so maybe Jared Wilson eventually gets in.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why I keep going
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: back to Jared Wilson potentially playing some guard as a
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: rookie is because I just don't feel great about that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: spot right now, and if he's the best for it,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: then by all means, let him play. The big concern
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: is not just that it's a potential weak link. It's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: also the guy that's going to be playing next to
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell. So like Will Campbell is going to be
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: a rookie and he's going to be out there, and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: if you don't feel great about who's that left guard,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you know that that's a weaker side of the line
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: in pass protection, especially that potentially that's a concern. You know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Garrett Bradbury, I'm not sure Garrett brad what Garrett.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Bradbury has left yet. You know, is he going to
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: be a high end center like he was a couple
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: of years ago, or is he going to be the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: guy he was last year in Minnesota, which is a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: guy that was on the outside looking in for the Vikings.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: They signed Ryan Kelly to move on from Garrett Bradbury.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: So I wish I could sit here and say, and look,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be alarmist. Certainly, it's June fourth.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: We still haven't seen any of these guys in pat
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: so there's a long, long way to go here. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I still feel like the offensive line, the only part
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: of the offensive line I feel one hundred percent good
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: about is the right side, Like and Morgan Moses, I
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: think are going to be a good right side. The
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: rest of it I think is still up in the air.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to feel kind of good about
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell. He's an unknown because he's.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: A Rookieel good about Will Campbell and his future. Yeah,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Will camp rookie is going to have some bumps.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Now get what you're saying out well, and then it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: if Jared Wilson wins the starting job, left cards between
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: two rookies.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Right, and then I again, Brad that's fine, but it's
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: not that's a high end center.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: It's a pressing thing, and it's not one of these
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: like they've had the last few years, some of these
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: and it's not unique to them, just the way these
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: practices work. But like the last few years they've had
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: some of these offensive line battles continue into the season. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: continue in a September. You really don't want to be
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: doing that next to a rookie with the second year quarterback.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you really don't.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: You didn't want to be doing with the rookie quarterback
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: last year. By the way, let me be clear, like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: they screwed up last year too, I shouldn't say too.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: They haven't screwed up yet this year. I won't punish
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: him for something done. But that's something you got to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: know when you cut down the rosters, who you're starting
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: left card.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Is Yeah, it's definitely on my mind. Okay, uh, here's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: your kicker minute. It was another good day for Andy
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: burgallis correct? Yeah he's rolling. Yeah, Yeah, he's rolling.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: It looks good.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna keep Parker Romo love it because
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I think one they want to keep the pressure on
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: borgas the camp two. I think they're gonna want to
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: keep him on the practice squad as a backup, just
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: in case, more so injury than anything else. But Borgollis
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: is looking like a guy who was drafted, which is good.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: So they haven't always had that. The last couple of
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: draft picks have not gone well. I won't bring up
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: the first one. A couple of even make the teams
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: all right, No, and then Chad Ryland, of course, you
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: know a couple of yearsly.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: A good start. Yeah, he went good in camp and
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: then he fell off because he beat out Nick Folk.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not. My point is it's not a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: guarantee that it goes well, right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And well, And it's not a guarantee goes well from this,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Like kicking so fickle, it's not guaranteed at any point.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: But like so far, so good from Andy, borgallis not
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: not worried about anything.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Love it all right before we open it up, I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: promise you will hear in a second, I just want
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about David Andrews's retirement ceremony.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Awesome ceremony on Monday afternoon after the open ota that
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: we've just talked about, and a couple of things. First
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: of all, I think that one of the coolest things
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: that we do is those video montages of all the
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: former teammates that ye come in and give a message
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: to David Andrews on his retirement from Brady Gronk Edelman
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: his offensive line like it hit me in the feels
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit, just a nostalgia Patriots fan.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Well, there are some deep poles in there too. Yeah,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: we can get to those and explain them a little bit.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Nate Solder, Joe Toney, Shaq Mason, and I don't think
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Sea Bascot in there. Marcus Cannon, So you know that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: that was the line, right like that, like when they
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: were rolling and they were winning Super Bowls in Andrews'
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: career and you know, sixteen and eighteen, that was that
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: was mostly the group.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: And really it's because Cannon no offense. Marcus Cannon, he
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: came in earlier.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if did him and SeaBASS overlap
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: now I'm thinking about it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think they did.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: I think Sebastian retired before David Andrews. David Andrews were
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, right Volmer, was they overlapped for oh?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: They overlapped for two years, okay, but it was that
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: that interior of Shaq Mason, Joe Toney, David Andrews. They
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: all came in within like a year of each other,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: and it was they all kind of went right into
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: starting roles and like that, that three man interior was
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: rock one of the best in football. While they were together,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: one of the best in football. And all three brought
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: different things. Toney was just a technician and a great
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: athlete and just a high level player at left guard
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: that could do a bunch of different things. Shaq was
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: a bulldozer like he was you know, pulled shack Mason
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: through the hole was a staple play for them, and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: he he was an absolutely elite run blocker in his prime.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: David Andrews was a snarl. He was the attitude. Yeah,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: he was the tone setter. They all brought it. I
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: was gonna say Drake may Tom Brady's shelf was kept
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: clean for for four or five years ago there with
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: that group. Like the it feel like up the middle
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: was never an issue. Even when Aaron Donald in the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, they're just you know, keeping him at bay
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: with those.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Is that Dante Scarnecki's masterpiece.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, you know, it just was in general that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: by the way. Yeah, Scar was there, which was very cool.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Not in the red jacket though, which I I you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I would just walk around with that thing on.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like that of guy.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I would do. But yeah, like I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: mentioned a bunch of different players in that video, James
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: White was in it, Doron Harmon, both mccordy's were in it.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Some of the deep cuts, so Jared Stidham was in it.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: David Andrews and Jared Sidham are tight, really tight. Their
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: wives were really close as well when Jared Sidham was here,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: So that one is playing by relationships. You know, that's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: a good friend of David Andrews's. Aj Derby similar thing, great, Paul, Yeah,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: aj Derby, Yeah, so I think to some people were
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: sitting there and like, how did aj Derby and Jared
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: sit him get in this video? So you know that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: those are really good personal friends of David Andrews.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said he lived with aj Derby. I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: think their rookie year. Yeah, they were that same class
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: real quick aj Derby minute. Yeah, so he was here
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: the year that Brady was suspended. Jimmy got hurt in
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: that second game, right, and then Jacoby tears his thumb
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: and they have to go into that game. If I'm
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: remembering correctly, maybe it was a different game. They were
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: going into some game where they were super thin on quarterbacks.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: AJ Derby was a college quarterback. Yeah, he was here
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: for those twenty sixteen Yeah. I was so convinced we're
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: going to see j Derby play quarterback for the poder Man,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: even if it was just like a wrinkle trick play
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: something Josh drew up because again their quarterback, the one
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster. His throwing thumb didn't work. He
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: was a rookie, rookie fourth round pick, like you gotta
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: put a wrinkle in. I really thought we were gonna
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: see a J Derby play place now for the Patriots.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: He hung around the league for a little bit. I
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: didn't really see Howny around as long as he did
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: good for him. Yeah, cool, cool moment. Always with that.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: I just love not to get all weird, but I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: love watching the player watching it like David Andrews like
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: watching it and just like huge smile on his face
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: the entire time, And that that was awesome. I'm sure
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: it feels great to hear that from all your teammates.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: And then David Andrews just raw emotion from the jump
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: in his speech. The second he got up to the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: podium and started trying to read the speech, he was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: starting to break down already, and you just could see
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: and we knew this just being you know, fans following
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: his career from the outside, us being a little bit
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: on the inside and being able to talk to David
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Andrews over the last handful of years. Football is everything
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: to that guy. You know, he's invested in the sport
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: and you could tell by his speech and just a
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: great a lot of great speech, you know, words in
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: his speech about you know, the sacrifices of not only
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: his family, but also just you know what the game
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: of football meant.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: I loved that he thanked the game of football. Yeah,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: I thought that was so cool. And you know, he
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: opened up talking about he wanted to express gratitude and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I think gratitude and reverence, yeah, for the game itself.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: And I and this come for me, like I don't.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: I wish I love football half as much as David
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: Andrews does. Like that football guy through and through. That's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was awesome just to see and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: it was great for him to get to thank so
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: many people that his whole family is everything. His parents
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: are there right, his wife's kids. Just thinking the sport itself.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I thought it was so cool.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really cool. And his sons were there,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: two young sons, And I think David Andrews would be
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: a great coach if he wanted to into coaching. He
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: could definitely coach an offensive line room someday if he
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: wanted to do that.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: His son Ford and Worth are both like three under three.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: The Worth is a baby, so I can totally understand
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: if he wants to live life with them for a
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: little while and not. He said he said that, Yeah,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: he said he wasn't looking to get a coaching Yeah,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: because coaching is an eighty ninety hour a week maybe
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: more during the season type of job, and and that
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: you know, takes you away from your family even more
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: than playing does in a lot of ways. So I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's necessarily on in his future because
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: of that, but I would venture to say that just
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: based off of what he said the other day and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: also what he said in the past when it's been
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: kind of clear that retirement might be in the thought
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: process towards the ends of some of these recent seasons.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: He loves the game too much not be around. He's
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: gonna be around the game somehow.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: He's doing the podcast, maybe around media wise, but David
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Andrews at some point wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: A local media presence, not too different from our friend
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Zolac or something like that, is not out of the question,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think for him.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: So, you know, him being around in that he was good.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: So he right after he was like two weeks I
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: think after he was cut, he did an hour with
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: that with Zolac and Purtrade. He was good. He was good.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could definitely see that for him. And that's
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: obviously way less time consuming than coaching, So you know,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: he could definitely do something like that. But a really
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: cool moment. It's one of the players and that we
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: actually got to spend a lot of time covering. Yeah,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: some of these guys we weren't around for as long.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: But David Andrews started in fifteen, I started in eighteen,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Him and Cardona where we start in eighteen, Him and
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Cardona were the last two guys that we like didn't cover. Yeah, right,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Like I watched David Andrews the last game. I so
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I like tangentially covered the team when celing As was
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: starting up in twenty seventeen, Like yeah, I would, you know,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: write about the games and did podcasts and stuff, but
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I was doing it from home. It was a side thing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't credentially, I wasn't down here whatever. The
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: last game, like I watched not covering the game is
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: twenty eight three. Yeah, so the only two guys in
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: that game, or the last two guys in that game
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: that we're still here, we're Andrews in Cardona. So we've
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: now seen since we've been you know, down here every day,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: we've now seen the entire locker room turn over. I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing, are bad. It
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable, it makes me feel old. Well, I
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: don't hate I don't love that. I'm like because we
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: start I was twenty four year, twenty five our first year.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: So like guys are getting drafted and we're like, you know,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: they're same age as us, Like there's some relatability and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: we're older than what seventy eighty percent of the roster
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: now at least especially now they got they're getting so
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: much younger here, yeah these last couple of years. Yeah,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: so you're still getting older for some reason.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: I would put David Andrews on a personal in terms
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: of guys that I just enjoyed covering the most, not
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: necessarily like my Matt Rushmore are best players or but
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: the guys that I deserved that I really liked covering
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: the most. I put David Andrews on my personal Mount
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: rush More up there with Devin mccordy, with Matthew Slater.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: I think those you know, I know, Matt rushfires four,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: but I think that those three kind of stand alone
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: for me as just perfect Patriots, Like just perfect on
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: and off the field.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I'll throw in there too. And this was one of
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: the first guys we ever talked to was Dante high Tower.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was great too.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Do you remember so we he had that corner locker
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: right all the way in the back drif the locker,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: you know, big imposing guy, and you wanted to ask
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: him something. Is when I had the camera and we
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: go back and he like he's he definitely knew how
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: how much we didn't know what we were doing. Yeah,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: he was like, you get one question, yeah, something like that.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: He's like, you can talk to me once a week
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it was like it was funny. He
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: was always really good to us. It's just kind of funny.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Was that's a good you know, yeah, given us a
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: little rookie moment. Yeah, he would do that, and he
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: was he was kidding, but he's also not kidding.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: But like we didn't know because we never So he
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: tell me.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: That I could ask him one question once a week
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: and it had to be good and it has to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: be good, and I wouldn't answer. I remember one time
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I tried to ask him another question a couple of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: days later, and he remembered. He said, You've already asked
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: me your question this week. I'm not answering. He was kidding,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: but yeah, he's he's definitely was. Yeah, he's definitely on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: that list as well. So really cool moments for David Andrews.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: The last thing I wanted to say about that, there's
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: a big lockjam. It's probably you know, he needs to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: wait four years as it is, but it's probably gonna
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: take even longer. He's gonna wear a red jacket.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: At some point, Skark can wear the red jacket when
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: he gives David Andrews.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a really good feeling that that's going
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: You know, Edward been going in this year.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Gotta get Gronkowski in, Gotta get Vinetarian.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: You know, then there obviously will be other guys like
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Devin mccordy and Slater and uh, players like that from
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: this sideration. High Tower himself definitely needs to get in. Yeah,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: those types of guys, so might it might not be.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: We've done this before, We've done a year. High on
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Welk or I'm high on Moss, Yeah, the guy who
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: was here a little bit longer. You put Steph Gilmore in, No,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't if you're not going to put Randy Moss in.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can say that Randy should be in.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think so.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I I.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: Think there's an argument more so than like Revis. I've
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: definitely yeah, I mean, Gilmore had the pass break up
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: in seventeen in the KFC Championship Game. He had the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: interception of the seal of Super Bowl in eighteen and
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: had great year in eighteen and then defensive, so that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good resume. It just was short lived,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, but he packed a lot in there. Yeah,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: it's a good resume. And maybe at some point if
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: we're a decade, yeah, maybe down the road right to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: run out of guys a little bit.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Whose next corner you're putting in?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Next corner I'm putting in? Yeah, it's a good question,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: cause they've had a lot of good corners.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: But oddly enough, like you're probably not putting a key
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: to Leeban and I love the key to when he
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: was I think we all did. Yeah. Uh, Malcolm Butler
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: is an interesting one. Yeah, he does have arguably what
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: one of the five biggest plays in franchise history.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe the biggest play in franchise history.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I still think some of those Vanitary kicks.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could definitely make the case.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: You can make the case. I almost said biggest. It's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: like he was here for a couple and he was good.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Besides that, Vanitary's.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: Kick in thirty six is probably the biggest. Is the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: first Super Bowl? I think it's the Snowball. Well, the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: snow Bowl is the harder kick.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: All right, just for the iconic moment, but like Butler's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: right there on the fence, Gilmore, I don't think Reeves
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: is getting in. That was just one lay. That is
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: too short. But like you think about some of the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: great corners they've had, and like none of these guys.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe it's Christian Zaliz.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe hopefully. So you know, Edelman's going in this year,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Gronk obviously has to go in, probably Gronk, Edelman, Vanity.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Then you have James White, Yeah, Matthew Slater or Devin mccordy,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: then Matthew.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: So that that'll be the It's almost like groups of threes,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: right because Edelman, Gronk, Invententario retired around as well, and
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: territired from the NFL around the same time. Yeah, Slater, White,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: mccordy all retired around the same time. Yeah, and then
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you'll get into like David Andrews.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you start I mean, then you start
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: to get into the territory and maybe we're just forgetting
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: somebody off the top.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Well there's Bill, but Bill will be his own thing.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: I'll pause it for your like, and then but then
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: you're getting into the territory of it. Fitting out maybe
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and you either going back to the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Dynasty years and like somebody that was overlooked, like a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: Wes Welker maybe or something like that.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: You have to put Gostowski in.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: He is the franchises all time leading score, he won
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: multiple Super Bowls. He was here for a long time,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: not before Venitarian, not for some of those other guys.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have the clutch ness his his He had some
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: big kicks early in his career at the end, I'm
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: not in. Also, the video of him being in the
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: stands drinking spiked hot chocolate in a snow dog legendary. Yeah,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on the guy, like cool
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: guy and and good patriot. I just I don't know
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: you're gonna down blame because he special teams. He put
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Joe cardonaan No, of course not. You're gonna put Joe
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Cardona in the patriotsoll soon.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: But what do you mean, what are we doing Gustavski?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: He's the franchises all time leading If that doesn't mean something.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: Stick to the Goskowski take that.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean yeah, I know, I was just yeah,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: if being a franchise all time score doesn't mean something.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know what we're doing.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: So like if we you know, and I just you know,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: we're in the second hour here in June, so just
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: what we do.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: I think people like this stuff, if the chat likes it.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked me to put a Sante Samuel.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: In No so the guy that I was thinking about
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: because I'm trying to think of guys, Oh, I know.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Who the next corner is, Okay, I was only thinking
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: boundary corners is Jonathan Jones.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he could be in there, Jonathan Jones. So
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of guys that maybe came in
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: like Dynasty one point zero. Yeah, that we're overlooking because
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: they just it's a log jam and there's a lot
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: of guys and what it starts thin out Antoine Smith,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: I think Corey Dillon has has a case Corey Dillon.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: So Corey Dillon would be a good one. It was
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: like two or three years, but like he has doesn't
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: he have the single season rushing record for the franchise.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I want to say those guys from the sixties has it.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: He might have it.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: I'll pull it up, like oh, three or four, he
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: had like sixteen hundred yards didn't.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: He Yeah, you're right, he does. It's it's him, Curtis Martin,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Jim Nance, Steven Ridley is fourth.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: So that again, this is what you know ten years
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: from now when it starts to thin out. Yeah, but
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: once it starts to thin out and you start to
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: talk about some of these guys that you wouldn't consider
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: over Julian Edelman or Adam vine Terio or Rob Gronkowski,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: but you might consider on a weaker valid I feel
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: like a guy like Corey Dillon just because of the peak,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: so of how good it was. Well that that's kind
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: of my argument with Gilmour or Moss.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well those guys and guys. The thing that's interesting
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: with Dylan, we know that they use this as an
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: opportunity to kind improp guys up for Canton. Yeah, and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many ballots Dylan has left, so
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: maybe the.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Timeline doesn't work out.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the comparable numbers he statistically
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: him there's actually three former Patriots enter on this list.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Oddly enough, him, Steven Jackson and Fred Jackson are like
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: the three most productive running backs in NFL history that
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: are not in And look, somebody has to be the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: best player that's not in the Hall of Fame. I
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: think it was Jim Plunkett, right for years, was like
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: the best player that wasn't in, So somebody asked to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: wear that distinction.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Corey Dillon is right there on.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: The short list of the best running backs who are
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: not in, who are eligible, right whatever. But like you know,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: if they ever really wanted to make that push, that
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: would be a way to do it. Yeah, there is
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: another player from that era that should be maybe not
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall, but Larry Centers should be a hall.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous Larry Centers is not in Pro Football Hall of Fame.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Insane, ridiculous that Stanley Morgan is not in the pit.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan is a good Stanley Morgan's the Patriots off
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: not in ProFootball, He's in the Patriots.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, that that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: I think, like, I think it's minimum five hundred catches.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I think he's like the all time leader in yards perception.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: I believe that five hundred. That's true.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: It's a it's an interesting conversation. Not it's an interesting
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: conversation to begin with the Patriots All Fame, but it's
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: also really interesting more interesting to me when we start
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: talking about, Okay, ten years from now, post Dynasty's obviously
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: been a little bit of a lull here, So going
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: back and maybe revisiting Mary Dillon, revisiting a Logan Mankins,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Logan Mankins, I should definitely be in at some point,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: like those guys are all also, you know, Logan you're
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: gonna have We just talked about that interior. Are you
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: putting Joe Tune in? Maybe you're put in Jack Mason.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I'm an offensive line guy, so I'm the wrong way.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: I was gonna go Nate Solder next.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: But maybe Tony two needs at least a h and
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: I don't mean any disrespectful to those other two, but
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: like too needs at least a good enough player.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Well, so here's justifying.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: I just don't know if he has like the Patriot accolades.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: But he's gonna be in the Profoleball of Fame. He's
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be first ballot Pro Football. I don't know
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: about that. It's really hard to get in as offensive line,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: especially Joe Toney. It is wrong if Joe Toney is
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: not a first ballot Pro Football of Fame. I think
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: he'll get into the pro football game. I don't second ballot.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: He's a top two guard of his errate. It's him
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: and Quentin Nelson. Is anybody else on that list? Brandon Sheriff,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Zach Martin, aren't those guys like kind of the era before?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Aren't a little older?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe Zach Martin is the best offensive lineman I've ever seen. Okay, well,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Joe Toney should be first ballot, all of him.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I'll say that a guy you drafted that when multiple
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls here that is in the Pro Football Hall
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: of Fame should probably be in your team hall of Fame.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: I compared to like Haynes, Like Mike Haynes is probably
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and I don't know entirely like is Mike Haynes. I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: think is a lot of more is a raider than patriot, right,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: but he's great patriot. He's a great patriot and he
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and I think he is in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Right he should be, I would assume, so I would
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: kind of put him. And this is meet Mi Canes
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: played before was alive. So maybe I'm a little bit
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: off here, but that's just my thought.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: So I didn't u last thing. I will take some
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: of these phone calls. Yesterday I got to meet Steve
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Nelson for the first time, which which was really cool.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: It was kind of like a fan boy moment. And
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: I know, I you know, I'm young, and I didn't
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Mines isn't the Patriots. I didn't get to see him play. Yeah,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: you know, we weren't born yet and stuff. But it's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: still kind of cool to meet one of those guys.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: And Duce is working on something on the eighty five
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Patriots team and that's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, I thought about this and I was
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: glad Duce was already kind of working on this project
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: and kind of beat me to it. But you know,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: I got into Celtics City, as I'm sure a lot
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: of Celtics fans did. The Patriots don't have the success
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: in their history like the Celtics too, obviously with all
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: the championships that the Celtics have won. But to me,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: there's not enough. And I and I hope people uh,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: you know, watching or listen, I think, listen to to
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Douce his things so that we can keep doing it.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: And you know, the proof is in the in the
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: putting with the numbers, right to back it up, because
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: there were some intermittently really good pockets of Patriots history.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: I mean that's seventy six team, seventy six, eighty five,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: obviously the ninety six team.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Basically like every prior to the dynasty, like once every
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: ten years, they would have a really good team.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and a really good group of players. You know,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: we're talking to Stanley mork and Mike Haynes, John Hannah,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Steve Nelson. You know, those guys could play man like.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: Those are really good football players. And you know, obviously
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: Tip you know as well. So hopefully I think it
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: would be serving the fan base in a lot of
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: ways on that team too, right, Yeah, serving the fan
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: base in a lot of ways, to educate a lot
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: of the younger fans about those teams, because in a
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: lot of you know, a lot of the time you
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: hear about the Patriots history and it's looked down upon,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: like all they were like the laughing stock of the
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: league or something like, you know, exaggerated like that. But
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: they had some really good individual players. They had some
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: really good pockets and really good promising teams that now
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: that we're out of the dynasty and we see how
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: hard it is to win, and we see how hard
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: it is to make a super Bowl and put together
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: teams that are winning playoff caliber teams. My guess is
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: that a lot of younger Patriots fans or fans that
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: latched on when the dynasty started will start to appreciate
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: that more because of how hard it's been the last
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: couple of years to watch this team. So a lot
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: of those guys like, we would definitely take an Andre
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: Tippett right about now, but also like we would love
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: to an eighty five season. Yeah, they got killed in
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl by the Bears, but they made it
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: to a super Bowl Like that was a great accomplishment
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: and it should be celebrated. So I'm glad that Duce
• 1:34:49
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  Speaker 2: on filters. So Christians in La, what's up?
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  Speaker 3: Christian Evan Evan Evan see I owe you and Mia call.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm mad enough to stand up in front of
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  Speaker 4: Patriots World and say it. I got triggered when I
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: heard Kendrick Bourne's name and it's not you, it's got
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  Speaker 4: Solac who I'm I'm I'm mad at so I had
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of other stuff to talk about. I
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  Speaker 4: just got so triggered by it that I went hard
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: at you, and I'm mad enough to apologize and say,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: even though you are a Kendrick born homer, you're not
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: the main homer.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: That's okay, Christian, you don't have to apologize, But I
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: do want to ask you, like, sincerely, you know, what
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: what do you like, what do you have against Kendrick Bourne?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Like, what's what's the problem here?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Seriously, as a person, I don't know.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: You know, no, no, I know it's not personal.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: I just mean in terms of the football, yeah, And
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: in terms.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: Of football, I get set up with players who have
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: this potential thing right that like, oh this guy, yeah,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: he did this one time and he's got potential, and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: we got to hang on to him because you know,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: once his knee gets right or once he gets to
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: the right coaching. Lots of teams do that. I get it.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Kendrick Boyne is the guy on our team now that
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: we've been doing that with, and I think he does
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: have some value and we should use that value now
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: just you know, get rid of him, maybe get a
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: seventh round pick the next year or something. But I
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: don't think we should keep this thing of like, Okay, yeah,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: he's got the potential. We need somebody, so let's just
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: keep this guy who's clearly overpaid and just hasn't really
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: done anything. Does that make sense?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah. I think where we all stand
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: with Kendrick Bourne, you know, and I don't want to
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: be for Alex, but for me personally, I don't think
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: that Kendrick Bourne is a number one receiver by any means.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about a guy that we just
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: think can be productive in that like number three receiver
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: role or number two receiver role. Potentially, you know, maybe
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: a little bit too high at number two, but maybe
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: he's a solid, complimentary receiver.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: He's paid like it.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I think his base salaries like five million dollars this
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: year or.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Something like that. And look, I'm the first one ever,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: you know this. I'm the first one to get annoyed
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: when people talk up a player on potential when we
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: did this this one time and blah blah. But there
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: are there is a reason that people look for that,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: because it does happen. I think Kendrick Bourne is an
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: example where you know, there is a realistic line between
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: he had that great season and twenty one. Okay, then
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: he goes in the doghouse with Patrician twenty two, which
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: we know, maybe isn't the most dis qualifying thing based
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: on other team was run. That year comes out as
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: a great start to twenty three. Tears the ACL the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: long history of guys maybe not being as good the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: year after torna a SILS, two years removed, and here
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: we already's back with the coordinator.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: He had the great season within twenty one.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's exactly grasping of straws to say
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: there's more to Kendrick Bourne than we've seen the last
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: few years.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Is he going to be the number one receiver?
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: No? Probably not. They need complimentary guys too, because that
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: room's not very deep, and he's a guy that's proven
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: he can do it in this league to some extent,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of guys that can
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: that have done that.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, yeah, we have, we have we have no
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: one that we can really count on. He's a five
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: million dollar possibly number three. Just say that to yourself
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: out loud. A five million dollars a year, possibly three? Ye,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: number four.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Rather, it's about right, it's the going rate for it
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: at least.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Now what else do you got?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Christian?
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: That's that's really I just want to apologize you can
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: get back and right standings with my guys and go,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: you know, have a good week and you guys love it, love.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: The path you two.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Christian, no problem, You don't have to apologize. I love
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: the fire. I love it when people call in and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: bring some passion to the phones. Not that anybody doesn't
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: do that, but I I liked the call yesterday, Christian,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: no problem.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Max is in Vermont. What's up? Max?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, in question about the wide receiver room. It
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: seems like Diggs will probably play a lot of slot
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: reps and eleven personnel you know. To me, that means
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas might feature, you know, more of the true
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: role player than an every down guy, you know, like
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver four type on third and ten. I'm
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: curious what you will see as the best version of
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: Pop's role on this team and if he projects more
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: as like a receiver for lost snapped out guy, you know,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: could he be a trade candidate rather than guys like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Boody or Born you know who may be more likely
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: to see the field in love and personnel.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Mass.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: I think this is you know, it's a question that
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: seems to get picking up some steam with Pop Douglas.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: I feel like that, you know, maybe he's not one
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: hundred percent secure here in terms of maybe it's trade
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: or whatever. I still am with you on this with Pop.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, we I like Pop. We saw him
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: at the Shrine Bowl right before, yeah, before his draft.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: I kind of felt like I was early on him then,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: So he's kind of one of my guys. I was
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: really excited when they drafted him. I still think there's
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: a role for him. I don't know if he's ever
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: going to be a true high volume like this guy's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: gonna catch eighty plus passes in a season consistently type
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: of player, but the way that he moves is different.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: I still believe that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I still think he's the most one of the more
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: explosive players they have on the team. I still think
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: that he's got that ability, like I said earlier, touches,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: jet sweeps, motions, screens, things like that that he can
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: be impactful on. But maybe you know, to use a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: comparison that from another team somewhat recently, I remember when
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs had Tyreek Kill and me Cole Harmon, and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: tyreek Kill was the guy and me Cole Harmon was
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: kind of in the same mole, but sort of the
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: secondary guy right to that mix, Like maybe that's Pop
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Douglas's future is like Kyle Williams is sort of not
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: necessarily Tyreek kill good, but like Kyle Williams or Stefan
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: Diggs or someone like that is truly the number one
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: option in the offense. And then Pop Douglas is just
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: a kind of energizer bunny. That's a secondary guy within
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: the framework that might be where he's best, like a
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: super sub receiver. I just might be his bet.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think they can afford to part ways with speed,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: not that position out right now.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: I just don't think they can fair enough. All right,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: let's get to some of these emails. This one is
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: from Jordan Patriots Nation is his thing, and that gave me.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, I don't know what that is,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: but it sounds interesting. Jordan from Ohio. He asks, uh,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: give me your breakout player on offense and defense for
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: the Patriots. So offense first, you have a breakout player
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: for this season.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it has to be Drake made
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: by default, right, you need that year two jump for
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: them to take the leap. You know what, screw, I'll
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: just go with theme to day Pop Douglass. I think
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good fit in Josh McDaniels offense,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: and uh I think we you know he improves on
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it's Drake May. Like, if this is
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: headed in the right direction, it should be Drake May.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: It's kind of not unfair, but just like, I don't
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: know if rookies really qualify for this sort of thing.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I think they do, so I think if I didn't
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: say Drake May, I'd have to say one of the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: skilled players Henderson Henderson or or Kyle Williams. Yeah, what
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: about on defense?
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: A breakout player on defense? I'm gonna go with. I mean,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Pop does can't waite, that's litterally who I said last year?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna go with Robert Splain. I
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: just think that signing kind of went under the radar
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: because they signed Milton Williams a few.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: Hours later and all that. But I think people are
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: gonna be really impressed with Robert Splain.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: I think the splaying is gonna be a hair on
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: fire type of guy that people are really gonna like.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Can I say, Keon White, like as Kean White already
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: broken out.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: He's another level he can get to.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's another level that he can get
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: to as well. And I'm excited to see him in
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: this defense because I think this defense is going to
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: uh correct for his aggressiveness. Like it's not gonna be
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: aggressive without outside the scheme. It's gonna be aggressive inside
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: the scheme because they're gonna want him to be inherently aggressive,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: and then other people are gonna be assigned to make
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: him right when he is over aggressive and he does
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: shoot a gap or he does come out of a
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: rush lane or something like that. So I I I
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: want to I think Keon White will have another level
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: because I think he's a better scheme fit within what
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: they're gonna do.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, this question is from Emmer and he said, Evan,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: were you the reporter who asked McDaniels yesterday about putting
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: more on Drake's plate at the line of scrimmage. I
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: was the reporter that asked him that question, actually, And
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: then he said, I know that has been a concern
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: of yours, and I'm curious to get your take on
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: McDaniel's saying it was overblown.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did say that.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: In response to that question, I asked him, what is
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: the approach not necessarily about it being right around, but
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: what is the approach in terms of building up to it?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Like, you don't want to all of a sudden go
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: into a practice and think Drake May is going to
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: be Tom Brady and you're sixteen and like put everything
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: on his plate? What to build up to? You know,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: what's the build up to it. The two things that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: McDaniels said that stood out in his answer. One, Yeah,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: he did say that he thought it was kind of
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: an overblown talking point about his offense and about this offense,
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: I've said that someone would have to do it, whether
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: it was the center or it was the quarterback. It's
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: going to be on somebody's plate to make the calls, right,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: So they're gonna have to teach somebody how to do it. Now,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: I would counter with center, it's probably a little bit easier. Uh,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: there's maybe a little bit less on your plate than
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: that court of not maybe there is a lot less
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: on your plate than that quarterback, but not here nor there.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: The other thing that he said that I thought was
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: interesting was that he feels like Drake May has kind
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: of already got it, like he's grasped it quickly and
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: is learning it quickly, and he feels pretty comfortable with
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: where he's at with that. So that was me though.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: I asked that question, how do how do you feel
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: about that whole thing? Am I making too much out
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: of it? I mean, it's factor, It's a fact. I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: think it's still early.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a factor. Yeah, I agree. I actually fine.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: I asked Ashton Grant's same question.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: What did he say?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Uh, pretty much same thing. McDaniel said, Yeah, overblown. Well
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the second part about it, he's picking it up and
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: it's not getting the wraps and blah blah blah. Yeah, okay,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: all right. Uh.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Logistical question here from Connor from Saint Paul, Minnesota, and
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: he was wondering if the joint practices in the Twin
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: Cities will be open to the public. And the answer,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: as far as I know, and this is not I'm
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: not saying that I know for a fact by any means,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: but just based off experience, I would think, yes, those
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: practices have always in my experience, those have always been
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: open to the public.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: I would assume it's However, the Vikings, I don't know
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: how the Vikings do training camp. I would assume it'start
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings user do training camp for the fans
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: my because I know some plate like here it's free, right,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: some places you have to actually get a ticket or whatever.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're entered like a lottery in Buffalo or whatever.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I again, I have no idea the defenditive answer to
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: that question. But I've been told in the past that
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: joint practices are considered training camp and because of that,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: it's always open to the public. So usually that that's
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: been the case. We had a great was it last
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: year we were it was two years ago.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: We were in green Bay.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Those joint practices in Green Bay were awesome because they
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: have a great facility right across the street from lambeau Field,
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: and it's like it's almost like a high school stadium,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: Like there's there's bleachers and everything, and there's a field
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: in the middle. It's literally like a high school football stadium.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: And so it was like a raucous crowd, like it
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: was like hostile. You could feel that there was like
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: some hostility towards the Patriots, and uh, it is pretty cool.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: So that that was very cool. All right.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, here's an email from Jeremiah, who I think is
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: on your side on the Gazkowski debate. H Alex so
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Satan Kaszkowski shouldn't be in the Patriots all fame, dude
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: to not have memory kicks like Vinetaria. Understand, but statistically
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: Gazkowski was the best kicker for the Patriots. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: He has the stats.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, this is not anything against the early two thousands
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: Patriots teams who were obviously wagons, but they were scoring
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: at a much different clip once Kezkowski became the kicker,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: like Gaszkowski has baked in there like the two thousand
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: and seven Patriots team. Yeah, still hit the kicks, he says,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: twenty ten to twenty. Yeah, but how many of those
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: were extra points?
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: Still hit them?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: This is oh okay, So we hit the old extra
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: point nod.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: When do they move back it?
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe later in his career. And I actually think when
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: they moved it back it was kind of a problem
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: for him, wasn't it. It was like a mental move.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: The extra point twenty fifteen. I thought it was much
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: longer than that. Yeah, that sounds right.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: So that that's my biggest thing with like counting stats
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: for kickers, like points and you know that sort of thing,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: is that a lot of that is predicated on the
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: offenses that you're playing.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Still have to hit the kicks. You more opportunities to.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: Mard extra point like like he's making a thousand of
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: those than not you're the leading scorer. Also, how they
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: calculate it is is just it's all. It's always going
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: to be a kicker. Does any team in the NFL's
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: leading scorer not a kicker?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Maybe maybe maybe either Ravens or
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: the Bills. Who are the Ravens are the Bills? Like quarterback?
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: Well quarterback? They don't count past Yeah no, maybe not.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: I know Tominson led the Chargers. That one insane here,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: But you still to hit the kicks. I don't know.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: You still did the kicks, You da have many more
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: opportunities to miss your under that much more scrutiny. I
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: think it matters. I think it matters. I think there's
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: something to be said at that even at that position
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: for volume and longevity.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: I agree with longevity on any in any sport, at
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: any position. Longevity is impressive to me. But I just
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think. I think the answer to my own
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: question is all thirty two teams leading scorer in franchise
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: history has got to be a kicker, just the way
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: they calculate well, because kickers also play longer, right, But
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: it's just rushing touchdowns, receiving touchdowns and then kick it
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: like those are the only way that you score points
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: because they don't count passing touchdowns the same. So I
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: don't defensive scores, okay, but you're not gonna get enough
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: defensive scores to be the leading games. Oh my god,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: stop it, all right, I want to play an over
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: under game while you look that up.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it, all right.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: So here's a little over under for Patriots, you know,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: over unders and individual players. Milton Williams five and a
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: half sacks over under.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Under because I think he's going to be more the
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: pressure pressure guy than the cleanup guy. Like I He's
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: gonna be impactful. That's the way they're gonna play defense.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: That's a high number for that position. I'm gonna go
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: over because I'm gonna say he's gonna have six, So
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like it's a good number. It's like, right there,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: six is a good night I think you're gonna see
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: more like calebon Chase on Cleaning Up the with Milton
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Williams and Christian Barmore. Cause, yeah, give me, give me
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: like a pressure number for you for him, that's more
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: how I'm looking at. Yeah, fair enough, give me give
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: me a pressure number for him. Sixty.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: I think sixty is a good number. Ke White had
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: forty five last Yeah.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, like I think, I yeah, in that conversation,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna if you're just reading a regular box course,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna look sexy. I think he makes an impact,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: but I don't think the stack number is gonna be
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: very high. Christian Gonzales one and a half picks. I'm
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: gonna pick sixes, sixes, sorry, you know over two? Pick
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: six is over.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: I'd say he had one last year, right, and then
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: he had to fumble recovery touchdown. Carlton Davis is going
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: to help him. I don't know if he was at
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: a fumbler recovery touchdown and a pick six, it might
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: have just beenumber. Christian Gonzales might have just been a
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: fubbler recovery touchdown last year touch against Miami.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: But I'm.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: I'll say over. I think I think Carlton Thing's.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: Gonna help him.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Agreed, I'm gonna say over as well because the same
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: reason we talked about this, Carlon Davis hasn't been out
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: at practice the last couple of practices we've been at,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: but he talked about this when he was out there
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: on that first one. Like having a guy like Carlton
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Davis that in some games can just shadow an opponent's
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: top receiver that allows Christian Gonzalez to make more plays
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: on the ball kind of be more of like a
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: almost playing like free safety, but playing it as a
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: corner and seeing the ball more and making more plays
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: on it. I think is in play based off of
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: having Carlton Davis, and I think that would help him
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: make some more impact plays. There's obviously a ton of
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: value in him shadowing and taking guys out of the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: game completely, but maybe a next step for Christian Gonzalez
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: is making those like splash plays on football and maybe
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis allows him to do that. Roberts Blaine one
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: hundred and five tackles, so he had over this I believe,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: like I mean had one fifteen right, yeah, well high
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: like an over one on five hours in that role
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: I'll say over.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say over as well. Defense points per
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: game allowed twenty one and a half, so this would
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: be like a top fifteen ish defense in the league.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're like right at I So I
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: did a show in the Sports have recently r I
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: had them at twenty one, So I guess I have
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: to say under. But like, I also think they're gonna
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: play relatively up tempo. I think they might play some
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: games that did. Are you know they're they're not gonna
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: do much short in the game.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna sit well over under.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: I think they allowed more than twenty one and a half
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: points per game, but it's like just barely.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say again, that's a good number. Twenty
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: two ishes mayly where I'm at with them, So I
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: go over Stefan Diggs eleven and a half games played,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going over over.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna play more. Remondre Stevenson seven hundred
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: and fifty rushing yards.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it all depends, like if they don't
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: have leads, then it's not He's not gonna go over that, right.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: What was it seven to fifty first Stevenson. Yeah, I'm
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: gonna say under under too much Henderson. Josh is too
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: good about balancing the workloads. I'm gonna say.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: Under Henderson five hundred, five hundred fifty five receptions. Well,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: I had that take earlier.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: That running back is going to be top three on
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: the team and he's probably got to do it, so
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: I think I have to say over. I'm gonna say
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: over as well.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: But that's another really good number.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's like fifty five sixty five
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: somewhere now range. That's another good number.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: A couple of Drake may One's here to wrap it. Uh,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: thirty five hundred passing yards?
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: What do you have last year?
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: Probably right around three thousand, but you'll play it. Didn't
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: play every game.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: I'll go over.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I hope it's over. I'm gonna say.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: I'll say over. If that's a good tell me totally yards.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I'll definitely say over. That's a good number.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Three thirty five hundreds, like right where the sweet spot,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say over. I'll be optimistic today. Four and
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: a half touch rushing touchdown rushing coalshounds over on that.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: I hope it's over. I hope that that's in their.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: Back pocket going into a passing touchdowns didn't have passes,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: Gonnas did not. I think they're gonna be running the
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: ball in from the five a lot. I don't think
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: he's gonna throw a lot of red zone touchdowns. I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: think that's gonna be his touchdown pass are gonna be
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: the long ones when they get inside the ten. And
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: I know the red zones are twenty, but when they
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: get inside the ten, it's gonna be Romandre Stevenson behind
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: a full back and maybe Drake May behind a full back. Like,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're throwing the ball a lot down there.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good question from Jeff. We only
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: have a couple of minutes, but we probably could unpack
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: this even more. Yeah, but he you know, we were
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: talking earlier about buying some you know, West Coast influence
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: in this offense, and he was asking me about building, uh,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: the scheme and like building plays off of each other,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: sequencing plays off of each other, which has been a
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: criticism of mine at their offenses for a couple of
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: years now. And he makes a good point. You know,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna run West Coast run schemes, duo outside
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: zone things like that. You know, those don't marry to
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: the gap play action plays, right, Those are different types
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: of play action plays.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Right. It's a good point.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that type of stuff, you know, is
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: always gonna be game playing, game plan, game plan with McDaniels.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: So maybe one week it's it's more West Coast flavor
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: than another week where they feel like their biggest advantages
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: running right out of team and getting downhill. It might
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: be more that infused, but it will definitely be on
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: my radar end season when I'm watching tape of their offense,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: you know, are they marrying gap runs with gap play
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: action and outside zone runs or zone runs with zone
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: play action, or how do they go about that that
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. They're in something that I definitely
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: look for, you know, on tape when I when I
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: watch offenses, I think the best offenses in the league
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: are the ones that run the same play for like
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the play and then all of
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: a sudden. The NFL it's something different though. That's what
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: the best play callers sequence together, That's what the best
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: play designers sequence together as well. That's where That's what
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: makes me always fall in love with the Shanahan offenses.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: That's what they do best. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Matt Leaflora,
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: and Green Bay, Like, those guys are absolute wizards at
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: this looks like it's outside its own looks like it
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: looks like it looks like it Oh, it's action. Yeah,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: that's that's why that works. That's that's really how the
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: the crux of how that works. Question about from Barton Poland,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: this one is a good question that I'm excited about
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: for our our show's purposes. Is Uh, you're talking a
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: little bit about the Vikings and you mentioned Kevin O'Connell earlier,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: and he said do the Vikings have the best supporting
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: cast in the NFL? And his question then also follows
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy and does he succeed in Minnesota?
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's success or failure, especially relative, you know, comparing
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: and contrasting to Drake May this show is that, you know,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: our credibility is kind of on the line exactly.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: We need JJ.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: I don't wish anything bad on JJ McCarthy, but we
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: kind of need JJ McCarthy to be bad. Say if
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: you're gonna draft J. J.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: McCarthy, you need to be someone with a good offensive coach,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: strong surrounding cast and sit him for a year. They
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: were kind of forced into that third thing, kind of
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: exactly what they said, we said they needed to do
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: with him. So he's he got the best landing spot
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: of any of the rookie quarterbacks last year. He obviously
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: got hurt, but he should make the most of that opportunity. Yeah,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: I I but he doesn't. It's Daniel Jones competing with him, right,
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: Like they brought in some comp They're not so Dan
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Joe's an Indianapoa.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Know who did they They brought in somebody like semi
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: legit to compete with.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Daniel Jones competing with Anthony richards That's what it was.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson is his career might be as a starter
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  Speaker 2: Samians Uh No, JJ McCarthy is gonna start in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: And after watching what he, uh you know O'Connell did
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  Speaker 2: with with Sam Darnold, like it's hard to imagine that
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna stink, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be. I'm gonna garoppolo in San Francisco all
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  Speaker 1: over again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a bad comparison. It was my comp
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  Speaker 2: for he's got a little bit more than Jimmy mccaroppolo.
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  Speaker 2: Jim garoppolo had the quick release and like the the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: pillowy throws and stuff like that down, but I think
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  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy's got a little bit more of a cam.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be Jimmy g and so that that would
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  Speaker 1: make Max Brosmer Brock perty, which would be very fun.
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  Speaker 2: You and h guy, Well, I I'm I'm just looking forward.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he didn't get to see him last year
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  Speaker 2: because he got hurt. It's a it's a great litmus
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  Speaker 2: test for us as people that try to evaluate the
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  Speaker 2: draft every year, and like, was I right or wrong
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  Speaker 2: about JJ McCarty.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got a factor in he's throwing to Justin Jefferson, Yeah,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: and Jordan Addison and they've got t. J. Hawkinson a
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: tight end with what's his name and left tackle Christian Darius.
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  Speaker 1: Not exactly the same group Drake May was working with
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  Speaker 1: as a rookie, No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: To answer the best supporting cast question really quick, I
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: think it's Philadelphia and it's not even particularly close. I
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: I I miss so it's got a good one. You know,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: Jefferson's are arguably the best player in the league. You're
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: best receiver in the league, I should say, But Aj Brown,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: DeVante Smith, Dallas Goddard, Saquon Barkley, mad with the best
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: offensive line in football, that's the best. Yeah, by fun,
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  Speaker 2: that's yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for today's show.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect timing there with that anything right there, so that
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: that's a pro timing right there. So we'll be back
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: next week. Uh, there is mini camp practice scheduled for
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: Wednesday of next week, so we might be later in
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: the afternoon like we were a couple of weeks ago
• 1:59:31
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• 1:59:34
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• 1:59:37
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• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: that good stuff because we might have to move it
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: around a little bit to accommodate Mini caamp. But the
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: cool part about that is is that we'll have a
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: ton of talk about because we'll have hopefully three days
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: in mini camp to digest on the show, so that
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: that could be a two hour That could be.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: A meaty show.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be a full two hours of all football,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: so we're looking forward to that. Until then, have a
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: great week, the rest of your week, great weekend, and
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• 2:00:02
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