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Friday Night Special: Jeffrey Epstein Explosive Documents, Do They Exist? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: and this is the Friday Night special Crime Stories, and
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  Speaker 1: tonight does it never end? With Jeffrey Epstein, even from
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  Speaker 1: the grave, the man is causing chaos amongst crime victims.
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  Speaker 1: This after four people connected to the case have died
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  Speaker 1: allegedly by suicide, including the most recent sex attack victim,
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  Speaker 1: sex attack child victim, Virginia Giffrey. Mystery surrounding the Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein files after the United States ag Bondi claims quote
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  Speaker 1: tens of thousands of videos. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Very surprising statement from the US Attorney General, Pam Bondie.
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  Speaker 1: The White House promises to release more files from its
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking investigation of jeff Epstein. The FBI, according to Bondy,
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  Speaker 1: is reviewing quote tens of thousands of videos of Epstein
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  Speaker 1: quote with children or child porn. Okay, what a sicco
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  Speaker 1: Uh what do we know? The comment made by Bondi
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  Speaker 1: was made after a similar remark made to a stranger
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  Speaker 1: with a hidden camera, and it raises stakes for Bondy
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  Speaker 1: to prove she has in her possession unseen and compelling evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Now recall this is after Bondi promised a document dump,
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  Speaker 1: she talked about it and angered many elements of the
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  Speaker 1: government when the documents were not delivered Yet now weeks
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  Speaker 1: after the AG's remarks, it still remains unclear to what
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  Speaker 1: she was referring and when the documents would be released.
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  Speaker 1: What's the hold up? Who is in those videos? Who
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  Speaker 1: is named in the documents? On the heels of yet
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  Speaker 1: another suicide linked to these documents and this case talking
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  Speaker 1: about Virginia's Gufray. What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: Six years after his death, convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 2: is back in the news, and despite the FBI maintaining
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  Speaker 2: that the millionaire financier committed suicide in prison, doubts. Lingerer
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  Speaker 2: added to that phray is the fact that the FBI
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  Speaker 2: released prison video of Epstein had nearly three minutes cut
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  Speaker 2: out of it before it was made public. The video
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  Speaker 2: is from the only camera near Epstein's cell the night
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  Speaker 2: before he was found dead, and it had been described
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  Speaker 2: as the full raw video. The roughly eleven hour video
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  Speaker 2: was released in an effort to stave off the continued
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  Speaker 2: rumors that foul play was involved in Epstein's death, news
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  Speaker 2: of three missing minutes is just fanning the flames. Attorney
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  Speaker 2: General Pambondy has attributed the three minute discrepancy to a
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  Speaker 2: nightly system reset. It's unclear if the missing footage could
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  Speaker 2: show anything relevant. The existence of Epstein documents is also
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  Speaker 2: garnering headlines. Government officials confirmed there is no Epstein client list,
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  Speaker 2: meaning wealthy and powerful men who were provided with underaged
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  Speaker 2: girls for sex. Attorney General Pambondy released what she called
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  Speaker 2: the first phase of the declassified Epstein files in February,
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  Speaker 2: flight logs, an evidence list, and a redacted list of
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  Speaker 2: content acts. The AG said at the time the Justice
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  Speaker 2: Department will release more files after redacting victims' names. When asked,
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  Speaker 2: Bondi said a list of Epstein's clients was on her
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  Speaker 2: desk for review, but in this month's memo, the Justice
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  Speaker 2: Department said there was no incriminating client list, and when
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  Speaker 2: pressed about it at a press conference, Bondy sidestepped.
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  Speaker 3: The issue today is about fentanyl overdoses throughout our country
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  Speaker 3: and people who have lost loved ones to fentanyl. That's
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  Speaker 3: the message that we're here to send today. Nothing about Epstein.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about Epstein.
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  Speaker 2: The July memo stated, quote, there was no credible evidence
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  Speaker 2: found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions.
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  Speaker 2: We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation
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  Speaker 2: against uncharged third parties with the political for growing. President
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump said on Thursday that he asked Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: Bondy to release grand jury test Stimoni related to Epstein's
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  Speaker 2: criminal prosecution. Bondy replied in a social media post, President Trump,
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  Speaker 2: we are ready to move the court tomorrow to unseal
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  Speaker 2: the grand jury transcripts.
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  Speaker 1: What do we believe is in the documents? Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 4: New Epstein files are teased to be released as Attorney
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  Speaker 4: General Pam Bundy promises many more files to come.
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  Speaker 1: Presidential counselor Alena Haba says that prosecutions will absolutely go
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  Speaker 1: forward based on what is discovered in the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 4: But who, what, where, when? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Haba, do you think by releasing information from
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  Speaker 1: these files we are likely to see criminal actions being taken? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: There is Hava speaking to our friend Piers Morgan on
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  Speaker 1: Piers Morgan Uncensored and she's joined with the US Attorney General,
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  Speaker 1: Pam Bondy.
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  Speaker 3: A source had told me where the documents were being kept,
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  Speaker 3: Southern District of New York.
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  Speaker 1: Shock.
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  Speaker 3: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them
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  Speaker 3: Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents that.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox News. That is the US
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General, the top cop for our entire country. Now
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  Speaker 1: they are saying that documents have been stored. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what that means in the Southern District of New
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  Speaker 1: York now, she said, shocker. I'm not sure what she
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  Speaker 1: means by that. I can only suppose, so I'll move forward. Stored.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they being stored? I don't understand that, because
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  Speaker 1: let me go straight out to Angrea Lewis joining me
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  Speaker 1: now partner at Sercy Law form in Palm Beach, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: But for my purposes former felony prosecutor in Palm Beach County.
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  Speaker 1: When Epstein's sweetheart deal, it makes me sick gag when
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  Speaker 1: I think about that deal. I should probably hold you
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  Speaker 1: personally responsible, but since you weren't there at a time
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  Speaker 1: at the time, I guess I can't. But why would
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  Speaker 1: these documents be stored? Why wouldn't they be evaluated, analyzed
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  Speaker 1: to determine if there are other code defendits other than
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and his pamp Julaine Maxwell.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 6: And to be clear, I was not at the office
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  Speaker 6: when this case was prosecuted, thankfully, because I do believe
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  Speaker 6: that this was a serious miscarriage of justice. He should
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  Speaker 6: have never gotten the sentence that he got. It was ludicrous.
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  Speaker 6: That said to your question about these this evidence being stored, Well, naturally,
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  Speaker 6: anytime there's a case like this, you would expect that
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  Speaker 6: the evidence is being held somewhere, but it's also generally
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  Speaker 6: available on electronic format. We can see that in the
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  Speaker 6: evidence log that we've received. All that they have given
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  Speaker 6: us so far is this evidence log detailing that there
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  Speaker 6: are in fact, photos, videos, witness statements, a laundry list
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  Speaker 6: of other evidence out there that has never been disclosed
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  Speaker 6: to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just cut through it. Who do you think that
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Julianne Maxwell his hinch person are hanging out
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  Speaker 1: with nuns and priests and virgins. They're rich, they're child molesters,
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  Speaker 1: they're trafficking young girls. So who do rich people hang
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  Speaker 1: out with Andrea, Other rich people who do you think,
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  Speaker 1: I mean deduction, who is going to be in the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein files? Other rich and influential people just like him.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they're sitting on it.
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  Speaker 6: That's why, well, that's exactly why someone needs to go
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  Speaker 6: through them, and they need to stop talking about it,
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  Speaker 6: and they need to stop saying they're going to be
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  Speaker 6: prosecuting people and then actually do it.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you just heard Alena Hubba speaking to our friend
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  Speaker 1: Piers Morgan, and you heard the AGPM BONDI saying we're
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  Speaker 1: on it, We're on it. The files have been stored
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  Speaker 1: in the Southern District of New York. What else does
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  Speaker 1: she have to say?
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  Speaker 3: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
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  Speaker 3: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
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  Speaker 1: That from our friends at Fox News. So they're going
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  Speaker 1: through it all right now, let me understand City Summer
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  Speaker 1: joining me Crime Online dot Com. Epstein died years ago
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  Speaker 1: at MBC Metropolitan Detention Center. How long have they had
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  Speaker 1: since Epstein died to go through these files?
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  Speaker 7: Nancy?
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  Speaker 8: Now we're going on six years that they've had the
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  Speaker 8: opportunity to go through these files.
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  Speaker 9: Release them to the.
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  Speaker 8: American public and prosecute people who are involved in this
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  Speaker 8: horrific sex trafficking ring.
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  Speaker 1: So years have passed, you know, I'm gonna circle back
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  Speaker 1: in just a moment to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate
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  Speaker 1: warden at MDC. A lot, a lot of murky water
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  Speaker 1: surrounding the death of Epstein. Just think about it, think
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  Speaker 1: about it. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I don't think people can keep there yet
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  Speaker 1: shut long enough to maintain a conspiracy like OJA was framed.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't happen. However, in this case, what could be the
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  Speaker 1: delay in making these files public? What could possibly be
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  Speaker 1: the delay and us finding out who were the cohorts
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  Speaker 1: and possible codefendants of Jeffrey Epstein and is very wide
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  Speaker 1: ranging child sex trafficking ring, Well we know a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more. Listen.
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  Speaker 10: After just two weeks in office, Attorney General Pam Bondi
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  Speaker 10: announces the release of documents related to the late Fine
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  Speaker 10: nancier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Bondi says that
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  Speaker 10: the delay in releasing the documents is due to efforts
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  Speaker 10: to redact sensitive information to protect the over two hundred
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  Speaker 10: victims privacy. The so called Phase one release is expected
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  Speaker 10: to include flight logs and names of individuals associated with Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Joining me is doctor Kimberly Melman, Erosco, executive director
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  Speaker 1: of Freedom Light, human trafficking expert witness, author of Hidden
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  Speaker 1: and Plane Sight, America, Slaves of the New Millennium. You
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  Speaker 1: have uncovered so much regarding sex trafficking and child sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good feeling at this point. Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: been dead for years, many say, murdered in MDC because
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  Speaker 1: they they the elusive. They did not want their names
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  Speaker 1: dragged through the mud. So I've got a pretty good
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  Speaker 1: feeling doctor that at this point the victims really don't
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  Speaker 1: care if their names are out there as long as
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  Speaker 1: they can get justice. Who do you think is being
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  Speaker 1: protected by not releasing these documents the victims, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: not buying that.
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  Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, First, I do disagree with you. I do
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  Speaker 11: think that the victims still do want some anonymity, They
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  Speaker 11: do want their names protected.
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  Speaker 1: At least some of them.
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  Speaker 11: The issue here is, and this is something that is
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  Speaker 11: very very key, some of these victims recruited others. Admittedly
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  Speaker 11: this is in the media. They recruited others for payment.
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  Speaker 11: Some of them were able to rebuff his sexual advances
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  Speaker 11: and instead recruited their friends. So where do you draw
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  Speaker 11: the line between victim and co conspirator? And that's an
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  Speaker 11: issue that they're going to have, and they're going to
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  Speaker 11: face the issue that I to.
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  Speaker 1: Get an idea where to draw the line, doctor, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly melim or Osco. And that would be anyone that
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  Speaker 1: was ever forced into sex or lured into sex with
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, I would consider a victim. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: with me, psychoanalyst. You have analyzed the victims of child
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking many many times, and these are children as
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  Speaker 1: young as fourteen, and I believe younger. If Epstein or
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  Speaker 1: Julanne Maxwell got one of these little girls to go
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  Speaker 1: speak to her little girlfriends, I still consider the original
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  Speaker 1: girl to be a victim.
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  Speaker 12: I do too, because Jeffrey Epstein groomed them, and when
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  Speaker 12: a victim is groomed, they lose perspective. And also the
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  Speaker 12: grooming takes place in the context of an interpersonal relationship
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  Speaker 12: where they maybe felt that Epstein was going to be
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  Speaker 12: mad at them. Disappointed in them, maybe withdraw financial reward,
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  Speaker 12: punish them in some way, so that strong, strong attachment
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  Speaker 12: system and confusion over whether they're to blame or he's
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  Speaker 12: to blame is going to drive them towards behaviors that
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  Speaker 12: they would not normally engage in.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I feel sick right now. I think I
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  Speaker 1: just saw a picture of Epstein and Juline Maxwell. When
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  Speaker 1: I think about these two rolling in money, multi millionaires,
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  Speaker 1: homes all over the world, mansions all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: And who do they pick out, Doctor Kimberly melman Erosco.
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  Speaker 1: They pick out runaways. They pick out children, girls from
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  Speaker 1: single parent homes where the mom's working, Like I would
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  Speaker 1: come home from school and nobody be there. Both my
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  Speaker 1: parents were working. But these girls only had one parent
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  Speaker 1: at home, coming from a broken family, feeling bad about themselves,
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  Speaker 1: blaming themselves possibly for the breakup or don't. They targeted
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  Speaker 1: girls with problems and those were their victims. These two
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  Speaker 1: multi millionaires that were born with silver spoons up their
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  Speaker 1: wear ends target these little girls. There they are their
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  Speaker 1: private plane. You know what bite me? Why do they
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  Speaker 1: target little girls like this, Doctor Nancy.
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  Speaker 11: This is a common tactics that is used by anyone
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  Speaker 11: looking to victimize another. They look for a child or
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  Speaker 11: a person who has a void in their life. If
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  Speaker 11: they look at Maslow's higher give needs. What do they need?
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  Speaker 11: Are they housing insecure, food insecure? Do they have low
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  Speaker 11: self esteem? Do they have the desire for self actualization?
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  Speaker 11: They're making false promises. The reality is though he also
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  Speaker 11: bribed them with money, and it wasn't just little girls
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  Speaker 11: and children, it was adults who were recruiting others. And
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  Speaker 11: those adults also self proclaim to be victims. So that's
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  Speaker 11: the issue here when we're looking through these records. Yes,
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  Speaker 11: I agree with you one hundred percent. Any child who
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  Speaker 11: is manipulated by a grown adult is a victim either
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  Speaker 11: of statutory rape or sexual assault, absolutely bar none. But
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  Speaker 11: the problem here is what happens when adults are being
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  Speaker 11: victimized but also recruiting others. And so this is a
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  Speaker 11: more complex case than I think the public has led
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  Speaker 11: to believe. And the other issue is there are documents
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  Speaker 11: redacted that we should be able to see. For example,
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  Speaker 11: the records related to Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempts. Supposedly
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  Speaker 11: it's being redacted for B seven A that redaction is
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  Speaker 11: because of an ongoing investigation, and this is suggestive, suggestive
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  Speaker 11: that it was possible assault and he was reporting that.
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  Speaker 11: And also there are other things that are very suspicious.
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  Speaker 11: His roommate, his cellmate is no longer alive. These are
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  Speaker 11: issues that do need to be further explored, and we
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  Speaker 11: need people like you to dig into and hold these
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  Speaker 11: governmental employees accountable for releasing this information.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Mystery surrounding the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 1: as the US Attorney General claims, quote, tens of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of videos, sex videos, child porn. Tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: videos are amongst the documents BONDI promised to release months
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  Speaker 1: and months ago. What's the hold up this after a
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  Speaker 1: fourth suicide connected to the Epstein case and alleged suicide,
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  Speaker 1: I might add, I'm talking about Virginia's Guphrey What happened
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  Speaker 1: to Virginia?
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  Speaker 13: Virginia Geupfree is a sixteen year old locker room attendant
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  Speaker 13: in mar A, Lago when she is approached by socialite
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  Speaker 13: Gallaine Maxwell to work as a traveling messuse for her associate,
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  Speaker 13: American financer Jeffrey Epstein, over the promise of a two
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  Speaker 13: hundred dollars rate permissage. Virginia eagerly accepts her massage.
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  Speaker 4: My rear end.
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  Speaker 1: This is just a little girl, like so many of
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  Speaker 1: the other little girls that were lured in by Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: whom many insists did not commit suicide behind bars, lured
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  Speaker 1: in by Epstein and his hitch person bills above from
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  Speaker 1: hell Jelaane Maxwell. Now she at this moment is trying
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  Speaker 1: to seek a presidential pardon. She was convicted for her
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  Speaker 1: role in this. Wow, do you think Virginia's testimony could
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  Speaker 1: have thrown a wrench in that presidential pardon? Think about it?
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel. But first, two crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Dave Mac. You're telling me, Dave Mac, that
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  Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffrey dies of suicide. What's the cause of death,
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  Speaker 1: how did she die? Who was with her? Where was she?
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't she just released from the hospital. You're telling me
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  Speaker 1: that she was released while suicidal? And where did this
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  Speaker 1: happen exactly? Wasn't it near Gabby? Near Gabby, Australia, population
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty eight on the last instance, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six males, one hundred and twelve females
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  Speaker 1: median age forty one. Dave Mac, you're telling me that
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  Speaker 1: in near Gabby, Australia, they have a top notch forensics
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  Speaker 1: team that knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that
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  Speaker 1: she committed suicide with a backdrop of three other witnesses,
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  Speaker 1: potential witnesses, and a federal sex ring case. They all
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  Speaker 1: die of suicide, you know, Dave Mac. In Russia, they
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  Speaker 1: push you out of a window. So Dave Mack, tell
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  Speaker 1: me about Virginia's suicide.
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  Speaker 14: Well, what we know about virginia suicide Nancy actually comes
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  Speaker 14: from her family saying she took her own life. We
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  Speaker 14: don't know anything more than that. Except for this Nancy,
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  Speaker 14: she was actually staying at her She was separated from
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  Speaker 14: her husband and staying at their farmhouse, a one point
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  Speaker 14: three million dollar farmhouse in area as you mentioned, that
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  Speaker 14: is very lightly populated. Her brothers were staying with her
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  Speaker 14: in this farmhouse. She's four weeks removed from leaving the hospital,
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  Speaker 14: as you mentioned, and she is there apparently, if we
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  Speaker 14: are to believe what we're being told, that she committed
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  Speaker 14: suicide in the middle of a million dollar plus farm
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  Speaker 14: mansion and she is the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac, I don't recall asking you to put the
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  Speaker 1: farm mansion up on real estate size. Okay, we'll get
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  Speaker 1: back to the as you say, million dollar mansion in
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  Speaker 1: just a moment asking you about the cod Now, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have a cause of death that has not been released.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know if there's been an autopsy here in
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  Speaker 1: the US. Of course, there would be an autopsy immediately
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  Speaker 1: whenever there's a question, was then autopsy? Was there a
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  Speaker 1: toxicology screening? You just stated, Dave Mac, that her family
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  Speaker 1: said it's a suicide. Well, let me differ with you,
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  Speaker 1: because her father, her own father, is calling for an investigation,
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  Speaker 1: as is her sister in law and others. They say
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  Speaker 1: that she specifically stated, if I die, believe me. I
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  Speaker 1: did not commit suicide.
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  Speaker 14: Listen to this family of Virginia Jeffrey, led by her
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  Speaker 14: father Sky Roberts, are asking her death be investigated. Roberts
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  Speaker 14: tells TMZ Virginia said if she ever died by suicide,
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  Speaker 14: not to believe it. Virginia herself shares comments about suicide
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  Speaker 14: in response to something said on social media, writing, I'm
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  Speaker 14: making it publicly known that in no way, shape or
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  Speaker 14: form in my suicidal. If something happens to me in
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  Speaker 14: the sake of my family, do not let this go
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  Speaker 14: away and help me to protect them. Too many evil
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  Speaker 14: people want to see me quieted.
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  Speaker 1: So Dave mac, I'm not quite sure where you're getting
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  Speaker 1: your information, but you just heard the father and a
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: sister in law who is speaking on behalf of the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: brother is demanding an investigation. Joining me. Doctor Kendall Crown's
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: renowned chief medical examiner out of Terrent County That's fort Worth.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Never a lack of business. He has performed literally thousands
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: of autopsies. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: School of Medicine at TCU and star of a hit
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: series podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue, set to hit the airwaves,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: win at least in the US is an autopsy SOP
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: standard operating procedure.
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  Speaker 15: Anytime there's something that's concerning you always have an autopsy.
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: So if there's a concern for a suicide, an accident,
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: or a homicide, that individual will be autopsy by a
• 22:56
  Speaker 15: medical examiner or a forensic pathologist. In cases with natural
• 23:00
  Speaker 15: deaths where it's unwitnessed or unsuperfied, that they don't have
• 23:04
  Speaker 15: a medical history, died outside of a hospital or died
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: within twenty four hours of reaching the hospital, those will
• 23:10
  Speaker 15: also be autosis. And then of course any child under
• 23:13
  Speaker 15: the age of six, it's autopsy automatically.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So in this case, doctor Kendall Crowns, at least in
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the US, wouldn't there have been no question at autosic.
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: Correct, There's no question there'd be an autopsy on this.
• 23:27
  Speaker 15: With the history of with the history with Epstein, with
• 23:31
  Speaker 15: the recent history of a possible car accident, and then
• 23:35
  Speaker 15: the history of domestic violence, there's all kinds of factors
• 23:38
  Speaker 15: in play here that could be something that's going on
• 23:42
  Speaker 15: that makes it not a suicide and can be a homicide.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We are talking about the suicide of Virginia Gifrey and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this is one of my many, many questions. Where's the
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: death certificate? What is a ceod? Has there been a funeral?
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Where is her body? Don't tell me, She's already been
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: cremated for Pete's sat destroying any forensic evidence. Who investigated
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: this The Crack Detectives in near Gabby, Australia, where there
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: are two hundred and sixty eight people population licenses? Who
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: found her? How did they find her? Did she hang herself?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Did she take pills? What pills? We're photos taken, we're
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: measurements taken. And again, what are the odds? What's the likelihood?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And of course that can never be argued to a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: jury statistics, But what you roll the dice? What are
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the statistics that four witnesses connected to a sex ring,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a proven sex ring of the very rich and powerful,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: just as the Fez claim they're going to really all
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the documents, including a list of massage therapists. Epstein paid
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: for her, Virginia Giffrey, to have massage lessons? Is she
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: on the list? Was she about to be called as
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a witness? How did she get tangled up with a perv?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: A billionaire, but a perv? Nonetheless like Epstein? This is how.
• 25:29
  Speaker 16: Sometimes he would just jerk off in front of them
• 25:32
  Speaker 16: and rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.
• 25:35
  Speaker 16: Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give him blowjobs. It
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: kind of works like a pyramid scheme. Gaelan brought me in,
• 25:42
  Speaker 16: I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in.
• 25:45
  Speaker 17: Gaelan tells me that.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I have to do.
• 25:50
  Speaker 16: For Andrew what I do for Jeffrey, and that made
• 25:56
  Speaker 16: me sick.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I just didn't expect.
• 25:59
  Speaker 16: It from Royal.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That is Virginia Giffrey speaking about how she was lured
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: by Jelane Maxwell as a little girl, told she could
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: make two hundred dollars an hour if she learned to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: be a messus a massage therapist. Well, what that actually
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: entailed was something very very different and illegal. You know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: when children are molested, they are never the same. They
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: may look the same to me and you, but on
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the inside they never recover. They may learn to go
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: about their business, hold down a job, try to have
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a marriage or a family, They're never the same. Now,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: what you were hearing is from our friends at the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Miami Herald and BBC Panorama. That's a Virginia Jeffrey who
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: vowed to never give up the fight, but she committed
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to suicide. Just on the eve of the federal release
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of those documents. I'm going to go to a very
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: special guest. You may not know her name now, but
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you will. She, like Virginia was lured in by Epstein,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: she actually went to Epstein Island. You know what, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: will let her tell her story. Lisa Phillips is joining
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: me now.
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: She is the.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Star and the host of a podcast from now on,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and it's a real honor to speak with you, Miss Phillips.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: How did you meet, if that's the right word, Jeffrey Epstein.
• 27:39
  Speaker 17: So, I was on a.
• 27:40
  Speaker 18: Photo shoot in early two thousand at the island of
• 27:45
  Speaker 18: Tortola in the British West Indies, very close to his island,
• 27:48
  Speaker 18: and we had a free day, and another young blonde
• 27:52
  Speaker 18: Polish model who looks like Virginia said, you know, I
• 27:58
  Speaker 18: have a friend who owns island. He's been so wonderful
• 28:01
  Speaker 18: to me. He got me my visa to live in
• 28:03
  Speaker 18: the United States, and so she was just said, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 18: let's go for the day, and so I just said, okay, sure,
• 28:10
  Speaker 18: I'll go with you.
• 28:11
  Speaker 17: And so I went over to the island and.
• 28:15
  Speaker 18: I saw two young blonde girls swimming in the pool
• 28:19
  Speaker 18: with the older gentleman, dark haired gentleman. And then later
• 28:23
  Speaker 18: on we all had dinner together, hung out for the day,
• 28:26
  Speaker 18: and later on that evening, a young blonde girl knocked
• 28:30
  Speaker 18: on my door and told myself and the other blonde
• 28:34
  Speaker 18: girl that Jeffrey needed a massage or Jeffrey. Actually she
• 28:39
  Speaker 18: said Jeffrey's ready for his massage, and so I just
• 28:44
  Speaker 18: was like, what are you talking about? What massage? And
• 28:47
  Speaker 18: so the other girl said, oh, well, Jeffrey likes you know, massages.
• 28:51
  Speaker 18: You just you have to do it. So, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 18: I was trapped on the island. I didn't know where
• 28:56
  Speaker 18: to go. I just you know, followed the girl into
• 28:58
  Speaker 18: his room to do the masage with this other young girl,
• 29:02
  Speaker 18: and I ended up being abused on that island.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Lisa, When you say you were abused, what happened?
• 29:07
  Speaker 18: Well, like Virginia was explaining the massages, so the massages
• 29:11
  Speaker 18: turned into you know, touching and into assault.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Were you sex molested Lisa by Jeffrey Epstein?
• 29:21
  Speaker 17: Yes, I was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You know Lynn Shaw joining me? Does it ever end? Lynn?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Does it ever end? Lynn is the founder director Lyn's Warriors,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: committed to ending human trafficking and exploitation of girls, host
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube? Does it ever end? When
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I hear Lisa and I look at her, She's so beautiful,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: so articulate, so poised. I mean, Lisa, has your life
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: ever been the same? I mean mine has has been
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the same since I was a victim of violent crime.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It's never been the same. What did that do to you?
• 30:07
  Speaker 18: You can see I still get emotional, but I kept
• 30:09
  Speaker 18: it silent for fifteen years. It wasn't until Jeffrey died
• 30:12
  Speaker 18: in twenty nineteen and I saw Virginia speak out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 17: I thought, Wow, this is a courageous woman.
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: Wow, she has like this bravery to speak out about
• 30:23
  Speaker 18: you know what happened to her with Jeffrey. But it
• 30:24
  Speaker 18: was her story about Prince Andrew was the reason why
• 30:27
  Speaker 18: I spoke out. Because I had a young friend, also
• 30:30
  Speaker 18: a blonde similar to Virginia's look, who was told by
• 30:34
  Speaker 18: Jeffrey to.
• 30:35
  Speaker 17: Go into a room to have sex with the Prince.
• 30:38
  Speaker 18: And that memory I always remembered because when I met
• 30:45
  Speaker 18: Jeffrey for the very first time on the island, I
• 30:47
  Speaker 18: remembered seeing that man there. So my story connected me
• 30:52
  Speaker 18: that way Andrew. Yes, yes, Jeffrey introduced me to Prince Andrew.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Disgusting and he's like a tick, sucking the public's money,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: living in a mansion. And I'm telling you this girl's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: battle now, woman Virginia, Jeffrey's battle with Epstein and Prince Andrew.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: She vowed not to give up ever, and I'm supposed
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to believe that. She said, Oh yet, you know what,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I won the battle against Andrew Epstein's dance, So now
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I'll kill myself. I find that really hard to believe, Lynshaw,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Will it ever end? When I see Andrew trotting around
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: val Morale or Windsor Castle on eighty thousand dollars horse,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: my stomach clinches. He should be in jail. Did you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: hear what Lisa just said? Same thing that Virginia said.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Listen, we at the Warriors have spoken with have interviewed
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: many victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I want us all to
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: first applaud Lisa for appearing and bravely speaking out. This
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: takes a lot of strength to keep talking about what happened,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: so we must all commend her. Second of all, Virginia Guffrey,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: I will never believe killed herself. She bravely came out
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: as a warrior. And when she did that several years ago,
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: all of the other victims came forward and said, finally,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: finally we have some support, resolution me attention. We're going
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: to get somewhere. Three facts.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Right away.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Law enforcement said, no foul play, nothing to see here.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: That was number one, Number two. Virginia was in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: process of renovating her house number three. She was standing
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: for all the other victims. She would not do anything
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: to harm herself. She wanted to be that warrior for them.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: And I have to add a fourth point. I don't
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: believe she would leave her children. Something happened here. We're
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: not getting the facts and will it ever d Nancy,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: I'm afraid to say, and I don't like saying this. No,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: this Epstein's story is never going to end. We're never
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: going to hear the truth and the facts about all
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: of this. Too many complicit, powerful people involved.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And another thing you heard Lynn Shaw say she was
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in the middle of her renovation. She was fighting to
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: see her children. She would never leave them. But what
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: about this note what she said she was getting ready
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to do battle.
• 33:24
  Speaker 19: Listen Virginia. Jeffrey's sister in law, Amanda Roberts, wants to
• 33:27
  Speaker 19: release a quote written by Virginia found in a journal
• 33:30
  Speaker 19: at her Australian farmhouse. In her own hand, Virginia wrote, mothers, fathers,
• 33:35
  Speaker 19: sisters and brothers need to show the battle lines are
• 33:38
  Speaker 19: drawn and we stand together to fight for the future
• 33:41
  Speaker 19: of victims. Is protesting the answer, I don't know, but
• 33:44
  Speaker 19: we've got to start somewhere. Jeffrey's brother, Sky Roberts, believes
• 33:48
  Speaker 19: the note was intended for organizers of the Washington DC
• 33:51
  Speaker 19: rally of sexual assault Survivors.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: In a section of the note, she writes, we are
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: not going to go away.
• 33:57
  Speaker 13: Sixteen year old Virginia Jeffrey has started work working as
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: a traveling massuse for financier Jeffrey Epstein.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: But not all is as it seems.
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: Virginia, just a teen.
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: Is being asked to complete tasks that are far outside
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: of her responsibilities, and soon the tasks turn into sexual
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: abuse tasks.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It makes it sound why Epstein's asking her to file documents.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: He's asking this teen girl to perform sex acts, oral sex,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: raping her, massaging him. It goes on and on, and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: she is not the only girl involved. According to a
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: wide ranging investigation by the federal government, Epstein and his
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: hintch person basically his pimp, Jelaine Maxwell, another millionaire, had
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: created somewhat of a Ponzi scheme, a type of structure
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: where these girls, these young girls would go out and
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: recruit other young girls to take part in sex acts
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: with older, wealthy and prestigious. Let me say clients. I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: would call them child rapists. But that's just me. And
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: now we are expected to believe that Virginia Giffrey, just
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: after all of the battle against Epstein, all of the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: battle against Prince Andrew bringing him down on the cusp
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of the FEDS releasing more names, she says, Yeah, you
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: know what, I give up. I'm committing suicide. No cod
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: no autopsy report, no toxicology report, nothing. I went to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a high school soccer game last night and the other
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: moms were saying, Virginia Giffrey is probably in the witness
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: protection program. Yes, that's where it's going. The rumor meal
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in high gear and why not without any transparency or clarity.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: She is not the first person connected to this investigation
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to die off suicide. What about Carolyn Andreano?
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: When she was just fourteen, Jeffrey Epstein began sexually abusing
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: Caroly and Andreano and continued to abuse her for the
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: next four years, testifying against Gilaine Maxwell in her trial
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: for sex trafficking minors. Carol and Andreano found dead in
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: a West Palm Beach, Florida hotel room at the age
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: of thirty six, leaving behind a husband and five children.
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: West Palm Beach police say she died from an accidental overdose.
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: Carol and Andreano is the second Epstein survivor to have
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: died of a fatal drug overdose in Palm Beach County, Florida.
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: The first Epstein survivor to die of an overdose, Lee
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: sky Patrick, was found dead in a West Palm Beach
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: hotel from an accidental drug overdose.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: After four alleged suicides connected to the Epstein case. And
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: whatever is in these documents, isn't it time we know
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the truth? Remember when Attorney General William Barr insisted there
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: will be justice.
• 37:04
  Speaker 20: Listen, this case will continue on against anyone who was
• 37:09
  Speaker 20: complicit with Epstein. Any co conspirators should not rest easy.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Or they're sleeping light logs right now. That's where our
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: friends at CBS. That was Attorney then Attorney General William
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Barr insisting there's going to be justice. All of you
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: co defendants. You better not sleep easy tonight. Well they
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: are because years have passed and the FEDS have done nothing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Why Because Epstein's rich, All of his friends were rich
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and influential. He was flying around presidents, megalomaniacs, huge huge
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: business tycoons names we all know very well. We're in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: his quote little black book. It's disgusting. And here is
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: former US attorney jumping on the bandwagon, Attorney alex Acosta.
• 38:10
  Speaker 21: We did what we did because we wanted to see
• 38:12
  Speaker 21: Epstein go to jail, so he needed to go to jail.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Alexander Acosta became US Attorney for the Southern District of
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Florida in two thousand and five. That's the same year
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that Palm Beach police began a thirteen month undercover investigation
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: of Jeffrey Epstein after allegations of sex trafficking miners. Epstein
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: was indicted, but Acosta arranged a plea deal without informing
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the victims, that allowed Epstein to plead guilty to a
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: single state charge of solicitation and procuring a miner for prostitution.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: The FBI delivers truckloads of files to be declassified in
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: the Jeffrey Epstein case.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: According to the top cop of this country, Pamela Bondi,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that's happening right now. I will believe it when I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: see it, because this dates back all the way to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a secret deal by the prosecutor down and Palm Beach
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: where Epstein got basically a camp. He could leave whenever
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: he wanted to, with a valet, a driver, and nobody
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: said a word. After one mom comes forward and says,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: he raped my little girl, and we still don't have justice.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Has everybody forgotten what happened? Because I haven't, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: let me jog the federal government's memory. Listen.
• 39:38
  Speaker 16: Sometimes he would just get in front of them and
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them.
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give him. It kind
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: of worked like a pyramid scheme. Geland brought me in,
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: That's where my friends at Miami Harold and you were
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: seeing Virginia Roberts Jeffrey speaking about what happened to her.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Would you she was a little girl, a little girl
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: about age fourteen. Yeah, rubbing his nipples in front of
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: a little girl, and we find out just who the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: victim is.
• 40:18
  Speaker 16: I had been a runaway and I had been abused before.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: So to have this ability to get educated.
• 40:25
  Speaker 17: And do something with my life.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I thought I was turning around. That from our friends
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: at Miami Harold, but that turning point turned into this
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: she is instructed to just robe as Maxwell and Epstein
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: are both naked. She describes maxwellen Epstein touching her and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that she went along with it. Virginia says, I let
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: them abuse me, and I did what they told me
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to do. Doctor Bethy Marshall, she's an adult now, but
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: it still sounds to me like she's blaming herself. I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: let them abuse me. That's not the dynamic.
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: No, no, no, no, it was a poweredential. It was
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: two on one.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: She was just a little girl.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: You know, children notoriously they don't.
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: Know when they're abused if the act is coming from
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: themselves or from the other person. So this confusion is
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: persisting into adult life. Victims don't just recover miraculously. They
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: blame themselves throughout the lifespan. They are subject to disturbed
• 41:23
  Speaker 12: relationship patterns, sometimes drug abuse, PTSD flashbacks.
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: So you know the fact that she's.
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: Coming forward amidst all these symptoms that are persisting for
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: her is pretty remarkable, you.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Know, Notton Bethany when you mentioned flashbacks. A lot of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: people don't believe in suppress memories. They're real, And I'll
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: give you an example. One of my best friends within
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office. Just a brilliant, brilliant legal mind.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I had known her for three or four years. She
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: started having flashbacks being molested by family member. It destroyed
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: her man. She ended up getting a divorce the child.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: They had a child that was in shuttle back and
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: forth between the parents, and her life was turned upside
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: down when she remembered the molestation. And even now you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: hear JR. Fraid talking about I let them molest me,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: as if somehow it was her fault. Okay, So you've
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: got a secret deal with the cost to down a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: palm beach. Then you've got bar saying we will see justice.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Well that never happened. Now you've got Bondie saying we're
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: releasing the files. Well when when will there be justice?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm just very curious to doctor Kimberly Melman
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Erosco executive director of Freedom Like Human Trafficking expert witness,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: author of Hidden in Plane Sight, America Slaves of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: New Millennium. Do you recall the case that you analyzed
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of Spider aka doctor James Joseph.
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: So James Joseph was on America's Most Wanted investigation Discovery brutally,
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: brutally trafficked multiple women. He also got a sweetheart deal
• 43:11
  Speaker 11: the first time he was prosecuted. I think he got
• 43:13
  Speaker 11: eighteen months despite violently violently trafficking women. It wasn't until
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: years later, as he continued to commit his crimes where
• 43:21
  Speaker 11: he was prosecuted in California. I served as an expert
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: witness both to the grand journey for his indictment and
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: at trial where he was sentenced to life in prison.
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: So when they talk about this sweet sweetheart deal for Epstein,
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: it wasn't really out of the norm for that time. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: there are numerous alleged traffickers and persons committing crimes against
• 43:43
  Speaker 11: children who are getting away with slap on the hand
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: sentences because it's being perceived as difficult to prosecute.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And one key point here, Nancy.
• 43:52
  Speaker 11: Is that Epstein was a typical of a trafficker. He
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: was paying his victims, typically in trafficking situations. You have
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: talked about in your show numerous times following the money,
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: and I agree with that wholeheartedly, especially in trafficking situations.
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: Most of the time, for trafficking, the money is flowing
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: from the victim to the trafficker.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It was the complete.
• 44:14
  Speaker 11: Opposite in this situation, and therefore it might have been
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: perceived as difficult to prosecute. The thing that is extremely
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: important here, though, was the concealing this from the alleged victims,
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: concealing this from the girls that he did abuse in
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: waiting until afterwards. I think that is the key problem here.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Unless Bondi comes through on this, this will be another
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: case of the rich and powerful prevailing on those weaker,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: less cunning than they are, specifically these girls that were
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: raped and sex trafficked by Epstein and as wealthy and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: influential friends. When will the documents be released? You real
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: think they're sitting on them to protect the victims, because
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I don't. This goes so far back. In fact, I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: remember when renowned attorney David Boyce, who is Virginia Geffray's lawyer,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: spoke out.
• 45:16
  Speaker 22: It doesn't matter how many contacts you have, doesn't matter
• 45:21
  Speaker 22: who your family is, doesn't matter how much wealth do
• 45:24
  Speaker 22: you have. You're not a buffalow.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: That's where our friends at ITV News. That was David
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: boys when you represented Virginia Geffrey. He says, it doesn't
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: matter how rich you are. How powerful you are, but
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: apparently it may.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Despite a long awaited document release, many files remain secret
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: and Jeffrey Epstein's contentious sex trafficking scandal.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Why why why are the files secret? Trump promised the
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: files would be released, but they haven't been. Why why
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Bondie now listen to Presidential Counselor Alina Haba with our
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: friend Piers Morgan.
• 46:06
  Speaker 23: I don't see how it's not shocking that there were
• 46:09
  Speaker 23: so many individuals that were hidden and kept secret and
• 46:17
  Speaker 23: not been held accountable.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, but I'm not shocked because this
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: has been going on since the get go with Epstein.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: That's from our friend Piers Morgan Uncensored and more from Haba.
• 46:27
  Speaker 23: You have to hold individuals who are indeed rapists accountable.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: We have to have them tried. In my opinion, yes, okay,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of course they have to be tried, but the files
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: have to be released first so we can determine who,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: if anyone, is going to be tried. And we're not
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: getting out of Epstein because he either committed suicide or
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: was killed at MDC. That from our friend at Piers Morgan.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Piers Morgan Uncensored and Bondie the new US Attorney General
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: speaks out, You're.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Looking at these documents, going, these aren't all the Epstein files.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: You know, there were flight logs, there were names and victims' names,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: and we're going, where's the rest of the.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Stuff, BONDI with our friends over at Fox and you
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: speaking out, Yeah, where is the rest of the stuff? Well,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: apparently sitting in boxes at the Southern District of New
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: York's US Attorney's office. That's a mystery right there. But
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: it goes on and on and on, seemingly a never
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: ending quest to keep these names secret. Sidney Summer joining
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: me crime online dot com, Sydney. What are the files?
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: What do we think is in the files that have
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: been so carefully hidden from US fancy.
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: We've seen flight logs, a contact list, a new evidence list,
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: and what prosecutors are calling a masseuse list that contained
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: two hundred and fifty four named victims. But what we
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: expect to see.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: Is a client list.
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: That's what everybody wants to know.
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: We have his contacts, but this is just somebody's phone contacts.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: It doesn't necessarily incriminate any of the people that are
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: named in that contact list. What we do want is
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: the client list people who actively participated in the sex
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: trafficking ring, knowing that the women there providing massages were underage.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: It is known that on Epstein's private plane, he would
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: ferry underage girls, along with high profile US citizens and others,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to his private island for what to play a game
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: with checkers. No, that's not why. Speaking of this so
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: called client list listen well.
• 48:40
  Speaker 14: Many were expecting Epstein's client list, hoping it would contain
• 48:43
  Speaker 14: bombshell implications. The majority of the roughly two hundred page
• 48:47
  Speaker 14: document dump is made up of previously disseminated information, like
• 48:50
  Speaker 14: Epstein's contact list.
• 48:51
  Speaker 24: Among famous names in Epstein's contact lists are rockers McJagger
• 48:55
  Speaker 24: and Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, actors Alec Baldwin, Dust Hoffman
• 49:00
  Speaker 24: and Ralph Fiennis, and supermodels Naomi Campbell and Liz Hurley.
• 49:05
  Speaker 24: Others include Harvey Weinstein's brother Bob Weinstein, David Coach, Alan Dershowitz,
• 49:10
  Speaker 24: and both Evanna and Evanka Trump. Several political figures are
• 49:14
  Speaker 24: also named, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, John Kerry,
• 49:18
  Speaker 24: John Huntsman, Senator Ted Kennedy, his sister in law Ethel Kennedy,
• 49:23
  Speaker 24: and her daughter Carrie Kennedy.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, I doubt Ethel Kennedy or Carrie Kennedy were involved
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: in child sex trafficking. I doubt that Alan Dershowitz, my colleague,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: is involved in sex trafficking. Maybe none of these people.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: But isn't it true, Doctor Bethany Marshall, People like Epstein
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: insinuated himself into circles of power and privilege. That does
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: not mean everybody on his client list has done anything wrong.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you I really think Carrie Kennedy and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Ethel Kennedy had anything to do with this? Hell no,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: but no. In all of these documents, you know, there's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: probative evidence, So I'm not surprised that these rich and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: powerful people are in his list.
• 50:13
  Speaker 12: But you know, Nancy, from another perspective, we know that
• 50:16
  Speaker 12: pedophiles congregate together, they congregate online, they disseminate photos, they
• 50:22
  Speaker 12: exchange information. So I don't understand why law enforcement would
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: go online to track pedophiles through their contact lists. But
• 50:31
  Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein's contact list is exempt from the public.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense.
• 50:36
  Speaker 12: I may I agree with you that Ethel Kennedy and
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: some of these people obviously did not know what was
• 50:41
  Speaker 12: going on. But there are many wolves among the sheep,
• 50:45
  Speaker 12: and if you do not expose this contact list, then
• 50:49
  Speaker 12: we don't know who those people are. And I just
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: want to say, all those smiley photos of Epstein and
• 50:54
  Speaker 12: Gilan Maxwell, they're not smiling because they're a couple. They're
• 50:59
  Speaker 12: smiling because they're recruiting people with money and all the
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: resources are flowing up and they're in there with all
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: these high net worth individuals and that is making them
• 51:11
  Speaker 12: so so so.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Happy, you know. To Angie Lewis joining US partner Sirce
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: law from in Palm Beach, excellent trial lawyer, former felony
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: prosecutor in Palm Beach. There were grand jury tapes that
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: have just recently been revealed, grand jury tapes that the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: evidence was heard in front of the grand jury that
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: were recorded as is customary. Are you surprised, based on
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: what you've learned from those grand jury tapes that these
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: documents today, these years later, are being kept secret.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: The victims who testified were asked a series of questions
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: about being essentially being prostitutes and really almost in an
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: accusatory manner, almost incriminating them in terms of some criminal
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: activity and so what cave of that, of course, and
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: what everyone has seen in these transcripts was that the
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: prosecutors knew, the police knew even back then what Epstein
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: was up to and how terrible what he was involved in.
• 52:21
  Speaker 17: Yet we know what ended up happening.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: So no, I mean, at this point, obviously that should
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: be a clear indicator that further investigation is warranted and
• 52:30
  Speaker 6: that there are other people out there who need to
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: be imprisoned.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And of course what she just said, what angel Lewis
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: just said, is critical because when you force a little
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: girl to be a prostitute, when Epstein Angeline Maxwell forced
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: them to be prostitutes, there had to be a john.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: There had to be a John.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Who are the Johns?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Why aren't the files being released? Crime Stories? With Nancy
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Grace Speaking of Jeffrey Epstein, his name has been thrown
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: around quite a bit lately in the Shawn Combs trial
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: because Shawn Comb's chief of staff, Christina Korum, never testified
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: at trial, and she was widely compared to Jeffrey Epstein's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: chief hitch person, Julane Maxwell.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Epstein's over the top seventy seven million dollar Manhattan mansion
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: has eight stories nineteen thousand square feet, forty rooms, and
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a heated sidewalk. When the FBI raided the home, they
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: found a lead lined panic room beneath the stairs and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: a life sized female doll hanging from a chandelier. Inside
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: a hidden safe, agent's found seventy thousand dollars in cash,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: forty eight loose diamonds, another jewelry, a bit of hard drives,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and a passport from a foreign country with a picture
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: of Epstein under another name. There were binders upon binders
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: of CDs filled with loot photos of young girls.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: The Department of Justice releases phase one of declassified Epstein
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: files as more documents are expected.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: According to the top cop in this country, Pam Bondi
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and her counselor Alena Habbaugh, counselor to the President, their quote,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: absolutely will be prosecutions question. When all the documents haven't
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: been released, they've been in storage. That's a nice way
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: to put it. In the Southern District of New York
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office, now I want you to hear from
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the horse's mouth, the US Attorney General, Pamel Bondi.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: That's why our friend's over at Fox News and I
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: can't wait. Do you think that detailed explanation about why
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the documents were withheld will ever see the light day?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: You know what, I don't care why. I just want
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: to know that justice is being pursued. Let's get back
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to the fact that we're missing one main witness, and
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: that would be Jeffrey Epstein. Why why is he dead?
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at m d C, author,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: who are you see it? Say it? Seize it now?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: President of a new Daylight Foundation. You know, many experts,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: not just me, question whether it was a suicide. Why
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: did that happen? Doctor Hendrix?
• 55:36
  Speaker 21: Based on the factors of what we what we know,
• 55:39
  Speaker 21: it was a colossal failure unfortunately by the agency that
• 55:42
  Speaker 21: I worked for for a number of years, with the staff,
• 55:45
  Speaker 21: you know, not tending to counting and being accountable for mister.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Uh okay speak English, Speak English, who did what?
• 55:56
  Speaker 21: Apparently he committed suicide and it was over three hours
• 56:00
  Speaker 21: before they actually went and checked the cell. They're supposed
• 56:03
  Speaker 21: to do thirty minute round.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Parent committed suicide, you know, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix. I really
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: respect you, but aren't you just a little embarrassed right now?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Apparently he committed suicide like we don't really know, Pays.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: The guards that were supposed to watch him every thirty
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: minutes were shopping online and.
• 56:24
  Speaker 21: Asleep, yes, and they should have treated him like they
• 56:27
  Speaker 21: eventually treated Dulane Maxwell when she was at the NBC,
• 56:31
  Speaker 21: not MCC And they should have had staff sitting in
• 56:35
  Speaker 21: front of his cell monitoring his all of his actions
• 56:38
  Speaker 21: and his behaviors. When I was a correction officer back
• 56:41
  Speaker 21: in the late nineties, you know, had the I was.
• 56:44
  Speaker 21: I was with tech Zinski there at FDC Dublin, and
• 56:49
  Speaker 21: they put too they put cameras in his cell, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 21: they probably should have did that with Epstein. The other
• 56:56
  Speaker 21: failure out in mind.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Now Again, I deply respect you and what you're doing now,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: but could it would have should have? Ain't helping me tonight.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out was he murdered or did
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: he commit suicide? Because a lot of renowned experts, not
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: lawyers like myself, but medical examiners say he did not
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: commit suicide, which leads me to concerns about Julaine Maxwell.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: The only other potential witness in this case. Oh, here
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: we have the Attorney General, William Barr, weighing in.
• 57:28
  Speaker 25: I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was and
• 57:33
  Speaker 25: frankly angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately
• 57:40
  Speaker 25: secure this prisoner.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Appalled, shocked, angry. That's where our friends at CBS. But
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: yet the main witness against potential co defendants in those
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: files is now dead. Darn what a coinkydink the way
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: that worked out? Joining me, Doctor Kendall Crown's renowned chief
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: medical examiner Terran County. That's fort Worth. He is esteemed
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Launching
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: a new podcast, Doctor Kendall crowns. I know there is
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: evidence supporting both sides of this, but what tends to
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: suggest this was not a suicide.
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: So there's a couple of problems with it. The injuries
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: he has the next structures, the thyroid cartilage which is
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: right about here, and the hyoid bone which is about here.
• 58:35
  Speaker 7: He has fractures, two fractures on the thyroid cartilage, one
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: in the highoid bone, and it's odd for him to
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: have so many fractures with just a simple hanging. Usually
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: with a simple hanging, the ligature kind of pulls up
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: on the neck, compresses the structure and causes them to die,
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: especially with a large sheep type hanging. And what we're
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: seeing is with these fractures is he potentially has got
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: this ligature wrapped around his neck, pulling back and causing
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: these fractures, and then if he moves, it can cause
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: another fracture. So it's odd that he has these two fractures.
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: And then you throw in the fact that he has
• 59:12
  Speaker 7: contusions on his wrists. Was he restrained? You have a
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: couple of a couple of findings that make it very
• 59:20
  Speaker 7: strange that it could be a suicide, but it also
• 59:22
  Speaker 7: could be a homicide. And it's just not very clear.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: When you say there were factors that were strange, I
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: could not agree more. But what are to what are
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: you referring.
• 59:32
  Speaker 7: The contusions on the wrists. I don't feel that there
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: are the bruises on the wrists. I don't feel they're
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: being very clear about what those look like or how
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: they are. Because his hands could have been tied together
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: with another restraint or another piece of sheet.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Hey dirigental crowns we're looking at the scene right there,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: and the only way he could have committed suicide is
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to tie the binding that he created to the bunk man.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: He obviously didn't have any platf from high enough for
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: a traditional hanging, he would have to have tie that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: and they just leaned forward and let the pressure asphyxiate him.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: How likely is that correct?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's a type of the way it is.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: He can't suspend himself or anything of that nature. He's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: going to have to lean into it, and again that's
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: going to be a slow kind of pressure on his neck.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 7: So these fractures that we have are very, very odd
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: that he has so many fractures.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: From just dolector Kendall crowns. They don't fit, do they
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: with suicide?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: It is odd. It doesn't really fit. So I'd have
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: to have more explanation, more information to even make a
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: decision on that.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, but
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I beg you Trump, do not pardon Julane Maxwell. Don't
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: do it. Huge miscarriage of justice. Joining me now, special
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: guest Bill Daily, former FBI investigator, security expert Bill Daily.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: You know the ins and outs of the fares like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: the back of your hand. What is happening? When can
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: we get the names in these documents?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 26: Well, Nancy, certainly, there's been basically a truckload of documents
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 26: now brought down to the Attorney General's office and they're
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 26: going through them. There will be some time to kind
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 26: of pull this all together because they're going to be
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 26: various investigative elements. There's going to be interviews, there's going
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 26: to be injury statements. There's going to be other information
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 26: out there, whether it's hard drives, whether it's videos, whatever.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 26: Documentation also was found, whether in one of the homes
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 26: or the homes. So it's going to take a while
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 26: to pull it together.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 26: One of the things that always has troubled me about
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 26: this case many things. Certainly it was the circumstances around
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 26: mister Epstein's death in the correctional facility in Lower Manhattan,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 26: but it was also around other people who either material
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 26: witnesses or those people who ate it and bedded. There
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 26: are many people who are involved in this case where
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 26: it happens to be people who attending at the Epstein homes,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 26: whether it's pilots or crew on the aircraft who both
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 26: probably knew or were aware of what was happening, saw
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 26: these young women being brought on, saw some of the perpetrators,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 26: some of the victimizers also being transported around those people
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 26: who am not too sure why we never heard either
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 26: statements about them or whether they themselves were complicit in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 26: some ways if not given a pardon.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Bill Daly, former FBI investigator, Phensic photography expert, security expert.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Do you ever just get sick to your stomach to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: see how wealthy and powerful people are protected they never
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: face justice.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 26: Nancy, and I think the American people also feel the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 26: same way. The new administration is run in transparency. The
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 26: new FBI director has come forth saying he would be
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 26: very transparent, so has the Attorney General.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I believe them. I want that to happen.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 26: I want the top of the American people because so
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 26: many of us have seen some of these cases go
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 26: and come, and we say, why is it always just
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 26: the kind of the regular folks that you find yourselves
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 26: being put in jail, and it's the other people who's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 26: very obviously have committed some of these these acts, are
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 26: certainly never held their feet to the fire from a
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 26: prosecution standpoint. So in this case, I really hope that
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 26: this will result in some of these victims, these people
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 26: with victimize that there be some justice for them. At
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 26: the same time, I also am concerned about missus Maxwell
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  Speaker 26: and our safety because as more of this comes about,
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  Speaker 26: as more information comes to light, is that her life
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  Speaker 26: could be at risk, whether in or outside the confines
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  Speaker 26: of a penitentiary.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought that up Bill Daily
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  Speaker 1: to doctor Dwayne Hendricks, former Associate warden MDC Dodger Hendricks.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, Daine Maxwell is in the FCI formal Florida
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  Speaker 1: Correctional Institute in Tallahassee, and it is low security. If
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  Speaker 1: someone can murder Epstein and high security, what about low security,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Hendrix, Well, one.
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  Speaker 21: Thing, anybody can be killed anywhere, whether it's in the
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  Speaker 21: correctional facility, whether it's maximum or minimum or anywhere. But
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  Speaker 21: I will say if there were any threats, So if
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  Speaker 21: there were any credible threats to her life. You know,
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  Speaker 21: the agency does have an excellent intel office. They do
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  Speaker 21: a lot of work with other agencies to include the FBI.
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  Speaker 21: The staff are members of the Joint Task for Wait
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  Speaker 21: a minute, Wait a.
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  Speaker 1: Minute, Henri. Did you just hear doctor Kimberly melmont or
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  Speaker 1: Rossco state that Epstein was in fear for his life
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  Speaker 1: at the time he died. So who is going Nobody
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  Speaker 1: protected him? Who is going to protect Jawayne Maxwell.
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  Speaker 21: It'll be the same people, different staff, It'll be the
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  Speaker 21: same agency and staff and other law enforcement personnelit if
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  Speaker 21: there's any credible threats, they will place her in special
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  Speaker 21: housing and if they would need to move her to
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  Speaker 21: a different facility, they would do so at that time.
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  Speaker 21: But again, anyone could be touched at any time, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 21: and if she feels she's in fear of her life,
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  Speaker 21: she needs to at any time, she needs to report
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  Speaker 21: that to staff, and she needs to check try to
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  Speaker 21: get herself checked into special housing or remove from that facility.
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  Speaker 21: And that's just how that works.
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  Speaker 1: The last one heard of is Layne Maxwell. She was
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  Speaker 1: finding about her Thanksgiving dinner. What about it Sydney summer? Yeah, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: So Maxwell is apparently claiming that she has limited funds
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  Speaker 8: and her commissary is empty, meaning she went hungry on
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  Speaker 8: Thanksgiving Day.
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  Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe. It may not
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  Speaker 1: be a private chef like she's used to with Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: but I find it very difficult to believe that the
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  Speaker 1: inmates wouldn't get fed at the FCI.
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  Speaker 17: You know what, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: She'd like a little bump up to a better jail
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  Speaker 1: in exchange for her testimony. Think about it, Maxwell. We
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  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.