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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Jim Warfare The Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas, Robert Frederick, thank you for joining me in
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Speaker 1: the Trenches Part two, Part two. Last time you chatted
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Speaker 1: to me. We chatted about quote unquote William Shakespeare m hm, yes,
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Speaker 1: and how Francis Bacon pretty much wrote everything. Yeah, yes,
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Speaker 1: and there wass once has been very good. But there
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Speaker 1: have been a few people arguing that it wasn't Francis Bacon.
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Speaker 1: There was actually somebody else, and I forget the name now.
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Speaker 2: Edward de Vere, seventeenth Earl of Oxford. Yeah, he's very
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Speaker 2: popular at the moment. He's very sexy, he's a very
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Speaker 2: bad boy, and he checks all the boxes you would
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Speaker 2: have to check to be Shakespeare. You have to have
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Speaker 2: very good education, you have to be on the inner
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Speaker 2: circle of the court life of the Elizabethan court, you
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Speaker 2: have to be well traveled, and you know somewhat of
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Speaker 2: a writer. And Devere checks all those boxes. He even
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Speaker 2: checks a box of a possible love affair with Queen Elizabeth.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know, sometime in the nineteen twenties, I
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Speaker 2: think someone wrote a book about to Vie and his
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Speaker 2: cause has really grown, especially in the last like twenty
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Speaker 2: or thirty years. There's a number of books. There's a
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Speaker 2: Oxford Society that has meetings, and it's nowhere near the
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Speaker 2: level that the furor was about Francis Bacon around nineteen
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Speaker 2: hundred when Mark Twain wrote his book about it, and
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Speaker 2: the Francis Bacon Society, which is still in existence, has
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Speaker 2: been in existence for one hundred and fifty years. But
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Speaker 2: they really like de Vere because Bacon is just a
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Speaker 2: very unlikable fellow. He was a lawyer and Attorney general
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Speaker 2: and Lord Chancellor of England and when people think of
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Speaker 2: Shakespeare they want to think of a pure artist, and
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Speaker 2: they just can't reconcile those two things. This way I
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Speaker 2: look at this Devere obsession. There's another group that likes
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Speaker 2: to think Christopher Marlowe with the plays, which to my
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Speaker 2: mind is really silly because nobody saw him. He got killed.
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Speaker 2: He was a spy and he got killed and no
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Speaker 2: one ever saw him again. But there's because his plays,
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Speaker 2: the Christopher marlow plays, are so similar to the Shakespeare plays,
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Speaker 2: they think marlow wrote all the plays in hiding. So
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Speaker 2: that's a real stretch with the Vere. The problem is this,
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Speaker 2: he died in nineteen oh four, sixteen oh four, excuse me.
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Speaker 2: And the First Folio, the all important first folio that
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Speaker 2: contained all thirty six Shakespeare plays at the time was published,
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Speaker 2: it was sixteen twenty three, so Devere had been dead
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Speaker 2: for nineteen years, and it's shown by wide groups of
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Speaker 2: scholars that a number of plays were written after Devere died.
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Speaker 2: But for some reason, the Oxfordians insist that he wrote
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Speaker 2: all the plays with the group of writers he had,
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Speaker 2: because he did right plays and he had a little
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Speaker 2: group of writers with him. Other than that, there's really
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Speaker 2: not a lot tying him to the plays, although they
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Speaker 2: keep coming up with more and more kind of hints
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Speaker 2: and clues that maybe it was de Vere, but compared
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Speaker 2: to the evidence for Bacon, it's really not even close,
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Speaker 2: especially the fact that he was dead for nineteen years
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Speaker 2: and the First Folio is I think I mentioned. Our
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Speaker 2: Last Show is considered the most influential secular book ever written,
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Speaker 2: and it contains an elaborate eleven page introduction that introduces
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Speaker 2: William Shakespeare to the world because nobody had ever really
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Speaker 2: heard of him unless you were a writer in London
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Speaker 2: or very involved in the theater scene. It's a very
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Speaker 2: elaborate introduction that kind of created the Shakespeare hoax because
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Speaker 2: it has the great playwright Ben Jonson, who there's no
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Speaker 2: controversy about. He was on the scene for many years.
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Speaker 2: He was clearly a writer. He wrote a very elaborate
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Speaker 2: poem praising Shakespeare, you know, and this very extreme language
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Speaker 2: is kind of like divinely guided and a poet for
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Speaker 2: all ages, equal to the Greeks and the Romans, such
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Speaker 2: and such and such. And because of that, really that
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Speaker 2: intro alone, you know, about about one hundred years later, people,
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Speaker 2: you know, because the England had a civil war very
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Speaker 2: shortly thereafter and it was kind of chaos, and it
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Speaker 2: was only about one hundred years later people were like, well,
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Speaker 2: who is this William Shakespeare. Kind of it says he's
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Speaker 2: from Stratford in this in this first folio, let's go
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Speaker 2: to Stratford. And that's when the controversy began because they
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Speaker 2: could find nothing at Stratford that showed that William Shakespeare
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Speaker 2: was a playwright. He was alive, he was a real person.
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Speaker 2: But kind of immediately it was like, wow, you know,
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Speaker 2: this guy from Stratford couldn't have even been very well educated.
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Speaker 2: He never went to college. They started digging around in
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Speaker 2: this big hole in the life of William Shakespeare began
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Speaker 2: to be evident, which people filled in as people do,
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Speaker 2: as I've learned from studying this, like we fill in
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Speaker 2: the missing information. And that got filled in with like, well,
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Speaker 2: he's just a genius. He's just this astonishing genius who
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Speaker 2: could just write poems. But then one hundred years later,
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Speaker 2: like around the eighteen fifties, people realized these weren't just
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Speaker 2: ordinary plays. These were very dense with philosophy and history
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Speaker 2: and sailing, and they'd looked past the story, and literature
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Speaker 2: departments opened in universities and people began to started to
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Speaker 2: do close readings of the plays, and they were like,
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Speaker 2: no way, no way, anyone without a graduate degree could
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Speaker 2: have written these plays, or at least someone without access
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Speaker 2: to books and access to the court of Elizabeth and
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Speaker 2: access to rich people, and someone who traveled to Italy.
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Speaker 2: All these big necessary items to the biography of the
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Speaker 2: writer of the place became very apparent. But it took
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Speaker 2: a long time for that to become a parent and
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Speaker 2: that's when the controversy began, and that's when people began
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Speaker 2: to look for other authors. And so now it's been
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Speaker 2: almost two hundred years, people have been gathering evidence to
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Speaker 2: show who they believe the other author is. To get
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Speaker 2: into the weeds real quick. The controversy actually existed during
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Speaker 2: Shakespeare's lifetime and during Bacon's lifetime. People did say there's
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Speaker 2: something's wrong here, but they were shut up very, very
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Speaker 2: quickly because this was an operation at the very highest
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Speaker 2: levels of the Elizabethan government. People like William cecil knew.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure elizabeth knew Bacon was himself a spy. He
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Speaker 2: was involved with military intelligence. And that's really what I
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Speaker 2: wanted to talk about today, Like what it's not just
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Speaker 2: that Shakespeare was a hoax and that Bacon did it.
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Speaker 2: My work is what does that mean that they hoaxed it?
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Speaker 2: And what does it mean that Bacon wrote those plays?
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Speaker 2: Because there's this enormous industry of people interpreting the Shakespeare
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Speaker 2: place and it's really fun. I'm sure you like to
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Speaker 2: do it. You know, you see a movie and you
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Speaker 2: talk about what are the deeper meanings of this movie?
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Speaker 2: What do the characters represent? And then you're going to
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Speaker 2: go to, well, who wrote it, Like how does it
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Speaker 2: represent the biography the person who wrote it, and how
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Speaker 2: does it represent the time it was written in what
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Speaker 2: are the political meanings of it? And the Shakespeare plays
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Speaker 2: are so remarkable because they're open to multiple interpretations. As
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Speaker 2: a lot of great art is, it's not certain exactly
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Speaker 2: what it means, because that's kind of how life is.
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Speaker 2: We're all debating what life really means, and great art
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Speaker 2: reflects life. So to interpret art correctly you have to
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Speaker 2: know something about who wrote it, especially if it's about
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Speaker 2: historical personages and a certain time period that they were
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Speaker 2: living in. The biography would be very important, So we
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Speaker 2: have to reinterpret the Shakespeare plays is one level. Then
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Speaker 2: if the plays were written by a master of espionage,
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Speaker 2: that adds a whole new element to their interpretation. And
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Speaker 2: then I and someone like Francis Bacon, who was fascinated
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Speaker 2: with empire and building an empire. And the most important
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Speaker 2: story of the last four hundred years on planet Earth
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Speaker 2: is the birth and establishment of the British Empire, and
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Speaker 2: that began right at the same time as the Shakespeare
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Speaker 2: plays were being written. And I found all kinds of
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Speaker 2: quotes which are in my essays and we'll be in
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Speaker 2: the book that I'm writing of how important Shakespeare was
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Speaker 2: to the British Empire and how you sort of can't
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Speaker 2: think of England without thinking of Shakespeare. And I spoke
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Speaker 2: about this the last time, that they've kind of become
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Speaker 2: synonymous Shakespeare in England. But my theory is that Bacon
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Speaker 2: created this myth of the great genius coming from the
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Speaker 2: English soil, to have a poet of the empire, to
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Speaker 2: have a heart like Shakespeare really is the heart of England.
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Speaker 2: And I have found numerous quotes from numerous writers who
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Speaker 2: say exactly that they praise Shakespeare in the most astonishing ways,
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Speaker 2: and especially during the wars World War One and World
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Speaker 2: War Two. I've found these things. They don't have it
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Speaker 2: in front of me, but like how important you know,
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Speaker 2: how the words of Shakespeare come to our ears when
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Speaker 2: we're lying in the trenches. You know how profound he
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Speaker 2: becomes to an Englishman at these trying times. So I
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Speaker 2: found all this evidence that shows this intuition of mine
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Speaker 2: is correct, and the plays themselves are very martial. But
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Speaker 2: I've gone even further than that in that the way
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Speaker 2: we're so inundated with propaganda today and media, I really
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Speaker 2: think Shakespeare is the model for that intentionally, and there's
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Speaker 2: some plays that are just pure propaganda that we're now
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Speaker 2: just inundated with constantly.
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Speaker 1: You so I'm jumping in you, but you're kind of
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Speaker 1: alluding to a case that you've made that France's Bacon
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Speaker 1: shaped what would become known as scientism.
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Speaker 2: And then then it goes to scientism is a big
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Speaker 2: part of what Bacon wanted, and that it took me
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Speaker 2: a couple of years to make this connection, but now
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Speaker 2: I clearly see how the Shakespeare plays are connected to
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Speaker 2: a scientific worldview and ultimately to scientism. Because there's one
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Speaker 2: more element here is that Francis Bacon is responsible for
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Speaker 2: creating Freemasonry, modern Freemasonry from many differ elements, and the
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Speaker 2: Freemasons were there at the birth of modern science, which
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Speaker 2: was the Royal Society in London. They got together just
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Speaker 2: before the Civil War, and then they officially got together
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Speaker 2: after the war, and they absolutely acknowledged Francis Bacon as
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Speaker 2: their inspiration in their first book just a few years
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Speaker 2: after they were founded. The History of the Royal Society
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Speaker 2: has a very famous well to people like me frontispiece
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Speaker 2: with Francis Bacon right in there with all this Masonic symbolism.
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Speaker 2: And this is fifty years before the Masons became official
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Speaker 2: which was seventeen seventeen. So you get these three elements
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Speaker 2: that Bacon created, which was Shakespeare and freemasonry and modern science.
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Speaker 2: And there's no argument with him as the inventor of
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Speaker 2: modern science. There's nobody else remotely considered as someone who
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Speaker 2: would have started Freemason besides Bacon. And there's some very
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Speaker 2: heavy weights out there that point to Bacon, to people
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Speaker 2: like Manly p. Hall. And as for Shakespeare, there's really
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Speaker 2: no one to compete with him besides devere for being Shakespeare.
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Speaker 2: So it's really that's really what my work is about,
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Speaker 2: is putting these three things together to show how they've
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Speaker 2: really created our modern world, especially recently with you know,
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Speaker 2: the COVID plandemic, which was all about scientism and people
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Speaker 2: having faith in what scientists said and then taking the
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Speaker 2: remedy that science made. And that's where it really came
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Speaker 2: out with trust the science. I mean, that's a ridiculous
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Speaker 2: thing to say. If you actually know what science really is,
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Speaker 2: that science is ongoing, you could say, you know, believe
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Speaker 2: eve in the scientific method, but there's never a finality
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Speaker 2: to science and real science, and and the idea of
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Speaker 2: trust in God has just been wiped out by trust
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Speaker 2: in science, and that is pretty much in the Shakespeare plays.
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Speaker 2: Because the plays, when you really get into them, and
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Speaker 2: they're famous for this, they kind of pull the rug
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Speaker 2: out from under you. There's there's no certainty, there's almost
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Speaker 2: no religion, there's almost no spirituality, there's there's trust in government,
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Speaker 2: there's there's you know, fight, fight for your country, and
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Speaker 2: then there's a there's like a kind of a sick
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Speaker 2: feeling from these plays. They leave you very unsure and uncertain,
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Speaker 2: and even the comedies, which provide some laughs, there's really
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Speaker 2: nothing certain to hold on to. There's just kind of
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Speaker 2: leave you with doubt. So I feel like they're designed
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Speaker 2: to make you want to believe in something like science,
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Speaker 2: which proposes itself as the truth. And maybe there's an
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Speaker 2: element of truth about physical reality that we know that
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Speaker 2: mice don't generate spontaneously from a pile of rags, which
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Speaker 2: maybe everybody believed in in the sixteen hundreds, and now
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Speaker 2: we know they're born through you know, conception and mating,
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Speaker 2: but that science can't tell us anything about the most
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Speaker 2: important things in life, like how to love your child
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Speaker 2: and how to make a painting, how to form a government,
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Speaker 2: like we can't use science to form our governments. It
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Speaker 2: really only about physical reality and physical comfort. They've but
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Speaker 2: because of Bacon, and Bacon implies this in his writing,
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Speaker 2: and it's absolutely in his book. So the book that
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Speaker 2: launched modern science is called New Atlantis. Frances Bacon wrote it.
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Speaker 2: It was published just after he died because it would
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Speaker 2: have been very controversial then because it really does show
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Speaker 2: science usurping religion, which was just an outrageous thing to
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Speaker 2: think in sixteen twenties. By seventeen twenty you could start
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Speaker 2: to think it, and you know, by seventeen fifty you
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Speaker 2: could even start to say it, but religion had such
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Speaker 2: a hold on people's minds it had to wait till
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Speaker 2: he was dead to publish it. And if you read
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Speaker 2: New Atlantis, and I encourage everyone to read it because
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Speaker 2: it's Peter Thiel's favorite book and it's an inspiration for
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Speaker 2: the tech pros. It's a vision of a technocracy four
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Speaker 2: hundred years ago to the year. I'm surprised there's not
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Speaker 2: more a stink being made about it. But he envisioned
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Speaker 2: the first society that was run by scientists and was
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Speaker 2: dedicated to science, which, when you think about it, is
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Speaker 2: a very astonishing prophecy to have made.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're also alluding to gnosticism.
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Speaker 2: Well, gnosticism is the core of this whole project because
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Speaker 2: gnosticism is a big part of alchemy. And what I've
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Speaker 2: discovered again after years of doing this, is that's really
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Speaker 2: alchemy that gave imbued with gnosticism. It's probably the gnostics
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Speaker 2: that got people involved in alchemy because gnostics feel like
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Speaker 2: this world is a prison and they're looking for an escape.
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Speaker 2: And that's what gnosis means is knowledge and if you
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Speaker 2: have that knowledge, you can escape the world. At that time,
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Speaker 2: say two hundred AD or you know, around the time
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Speaker 2: of Christ when Narsisism started, that meant if you gain
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Speaker 2: nosis during your lifetime, you wouldn't be reincarnated here because
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Speaker 2: they believe in reincarnation. And if you had this knowledge,
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Speaker 2: you would say the secret passwords to the arkans that
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Speaker 2: guard the planet, and your soul could slip past the
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Speaker 2: prison guards and be free. This is what they literally believe.
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Speaker 2: And then they started to, you know, either desecrate life
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Speaker 2: by doing horrible things because there's no good and evil.
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Speaker 2: It's the whole place is evil, and so they could
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Speaker 2: either desecrate life, or they would withdraw from life and
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Speaker 2: try to be pure, not unlike certain Hindu secs, not
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Speaker 2: unlike you know, a Christian monk. And that was their
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Speaker 2: way of escaping the world. But then they started fooling
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Speaker 2: around with combining elements. They started the origin of science,
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Speaker 2: which was to gain knowledge to escape the planet, but
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Speaker 2: also to gain p hour and turned lead into gold.
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Speaker 1: And the world around them was quote unquote confused matter
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Speaker 1: very good exactly.
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Speaker 2: That's Bacon always said, confused matter, very impressive germ. And
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Speaker 2: that is the opposite of the truth. The world is
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Speaker 2: exquisitely perfect, perfectly created. We're screwed up because we're humans
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Speaker 2: with souls that are trying to figure out our identity
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Speaker 2: and fall in love and raise our kids. And you know,
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Speaker 2: the problems of you know, human consciousness and the human
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Speaker 2: condition create most of the evil in the world. But
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Speaker 2: the world itself, and that's what science has taught me,
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Speaker 2: is like how exquisitely perfect it is, and how nothing
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Speaker 2: goes to waste and everything gets reused, and everything wants
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Speaker 2: to be alive, and plants are happy and nothing's happier
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Speaker 2: than a kitten and a puppy and life is joyful.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not a prison. But these gnostics, I
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Speaker 2: know it sounds crazy, but they literally believe that God
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Speaker 2: made the world as a prison and that we're trapped
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Speaker 2: here and so science. What Bacon did, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: is turn gnosticism into gnostic scientism, and that what these
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Speaker 2: scientists want is control over life and death, and in
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Speaker 2: a certain way, they're at war with God, the creator.
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Speaker 2: And you'll see this everywhere in modern science, not only
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Speaker 2: for life extension or to conquer death, which they literally
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Speaker 2: said back then, to conquer death, which they're you know,
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Speaker 2: they're trying to grow babies in the lab. They're trying
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Speaker 2: to create embryos and fetuses in the lab. They're trying
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Speaker 2: to have not have to have a woman give birth
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Speaker 2: to children. They're trying to replace organs. They're growing human
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Speaker 2: organs and pigs to to put into people. There's this
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Speaker 2: heroic science of turning a man into a woman, which
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Speaker 2: is one reason this whole trans thing took off, is
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Speaker 2: because these crazy surgeons and science. You know, it gives
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Speaker 2: them the sense their God that they can turn a
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Speaker 2: man into a woman. And it's kind of taken over
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Speaker 2: and it came from William Shakespeare. And that's really what
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Speaker 2: my work is about, trying to expose this, you know,
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Speaker 2: this curse almost that's taken over the modern world, and
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Speaker 2: a lot of it is in New Atlantis in terms
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Speaker 2: of science controlling society.
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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of curse, ignorance is the curse of God,
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Speaker 1: and knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven?
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Speaker 2: Have you been reading Robert Frederick? Maybe that's one of
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Speaker 2: Bacon's favorite sayings. That's so gnostic, ignorance is not the
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Speaker 2: curse of God? How is that the curse of God?
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Speaker 2: What a crazy thing to say? Ignorance is the curse
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Speaker 2: of laziness or not being curious. It's I just I
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Speaker 2: can't believe that, saying and knowledge is the wings. And
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Speaker 2: then his famous saying knowledge is power and power is empire,
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Speaker 2: And it is though knowledge, Why can't knowledge be understanding
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Speaker 2: and compassion and peace instead? It's power doesn't have to
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Speaker 2: be power. It could be the power for understanding and peace.
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Speaker 2: But Bacon power, What a freak, what a nut? And
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Speaker 2: it took over and and because of his push for science,
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Speaker 2: science began in London, in England, and then the Industrial
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Speaker 2: Revolution began in London in England, and that's how England
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Speaker 2: got so powerful and how they became an empire because
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Speaker 2: they had the best science. And it's amazing. If you
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Speaker 2: do go to London, you've got to go to the
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Speaker 2: Science Museum, it's remarkable. And immediately, you know, they figured
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Speaker 2: out ways to get more coal out of the ground somehow,
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Speaker 2: and then suddenly they had more energy, and energy is
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Speaker 2: so important, and you had the best ships. They immediately
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Speaker 2: had the best guns because of Baconian science, and then
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Speaker 2: they had you know, electromagnetism got invented in London. The
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Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution began there. Like everything of any importance almost
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Speaker 2: if you think about it, came out of England in
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Speaker 2: the last four hundred years, which is just a shocking thing,
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Speaker 2: just a really remarkable thing. And it started in Elizabethan, London,
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Speaker 2: and the number of geniuses there is really off the charts.
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Speaker 2: And as you go through English history, you know, you
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Speaker 2: see this incredible genius there. You know, the Brits are
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Speaker 2: the smartest and they had the great poetry, great cinema
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Speaker 2: and espionage. Everybody knows they're the best spies. And I
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Speaker 2: sound like a broken record, but that's Francis Bacon again.
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Speaker 2: He helped start military intelligence in England since he was
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Speaker 2: a little boy. And we talked about this last time,
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Speaker 2: a little boy, I mean a teenager. We talked about
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Speaker 2: this last time, like how great they are at espionage,
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Speaker 2: the Brits, And that's partly a result of Shakespeare and acting.
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Speaker 2: And nobody's a better spy than an actor who's acting
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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. And Bacon was a spy since
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Speaker 2: he was fifteen, and so closely associated with the top
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Speaker 2: rung of British intelligence, I say British intelligence. Of course
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Speaker 2: it wasn't Britain yet, but it was William Cecil and
25:54
Speaker 2: Francis Walsingham and Amyas Paula and Thomas Philipps. These guys genius,
26:01
Speaker 2: and that's how they solidified Elizabeth and kept her on
26:04
Speaker 2: the throne because there were multiple attempts to assassinate her.
26:09
Speaker 2: And you know, they even came through their civil war.
26:12
Speaker 2: They had an early civil war. You know, the Brits
26:15
Speaker 2: overthrew their king before anyone else in Europe. You know,
26:19
Speaker 2: sixteen forty cut off the head of their king. Now
26:22
Speaker 2: this is a bunch of bs. And then they restored
26:25
Speaker 2: it and now they're the only country left with a
26:27
Speaker 2: King that means anything, although he's rapidly, you know, just
26:31
Speaker 2: kind of a clown. But the Freemasons were very pro monarchy,
26:38
Speaker 2: so that's really what this means. Shakespeare means as a hoax.
26:42
Speaker 1: You're painting Bacon as a mad scientist.
26:46
Speaker 2: Exactly, he's the world's first mad scientists. Exactly. He is
26:53
Speaker 2: a mad scientist, and he gave the disease. He gave
26:59
Speaker 2: the disease. I mean, there's so many mad scientists out there,
27:03
Speaker 2: you know. I even think it's mad to want to
27:06
Speaker 2: go to the Moon and to Mars. I think that's
27:11
Speaker 2: ridiculous and impossible, and maybe in one sense the Gnostics
27:14
Speaker 2: were right. I don't think we can leave the Earth.
27:16
Speaker 2: I think because it is electromagnetic, and our bodies are electromagnetic,
27:22
Speaker 2: an electrochemical, we are tied to the Earth. In fact,
27:26
Speaker 2: the person who who first realized the Earth was magnetic
27:29
Speaker 2: was an Elizabethan colleague of Francis Bacons, actually, guy named
27:34
Speaker 2: William Gilbert, a fascinating guy who studied magnetism, and that's
27:40
Speaker 2: probably why electricity really you know, the math. Brits are
27:45
Speaker 2: also great at math. The mathematical understanding of electromagnetism began
27:50
Speaker 2: in England. It's probably because of this guy, William Gilbert.
27:55
Speaker 2: And here's a huge irony is that Bacon was not
27:59
Speaker 2: very good at SI science. He taught people how to
28:02
Speaker 2: do it and he laid the foundation, but he actually
28:05
Speaker 2: mocked William Gilbert for studying magnetism, which is the single
28:11
Speaker 2: biggest discovery of science is the creation of electricity, I
28:16
Speaker 2: would say, and that comes from a magnet, and electricity
28:20
Speaker 2: is created by spinning a magnet inside a copper coil.
28:24
Speaker 2: And Bacon completely missed it and mocked this guy William
28:30
Speaker 2: Gilbert for studying magnets. And he didn't discover anything of
28:34
Speaker 2: any importance because he really wasn't a scientist. He was
28:37
Speaker 2: a philosopher and a poet and he understood alchemy and
28:45
Speaker 2: what was wrong with alchemy, and really modern science has
28:49
Speaker 2: modified alchemy with the same desire that alchemy had, which
28:54
Speaker 2: was eternal life, the power over life and death, the
29:00
Speaker 2: desire to dominate nature. That's another thing Bacon that was
29:05
Speaker 2: really new with Bacon is that a human could dominate nature,
29:11
Speaker 2: not have dominion. But there's a slight difference there, like
29:17
Speaker 2: we are the top wrong of nature in terms of
29:22
Speaker 2: our ability to think and reason and build, but we
29:27
Speaker 2: can't dominate nature because we're a part of nature. But
29:30
Speaker 2: Bacon really instilled that idea that humans could. He literally said,
29:36
Speaker 2: this conquer the universe. This is a man writing in
29:41
Speaker 2: you know, sixteen sixteen, wrote that and published that and
29:47
Speaker 2: believed it, and he put that belief in us. And
29:50
Speaker 2: I really think we're in trouble because of that. That
29:53
Speaker 2: at a lot of sickness and you know, nuclear bombs, and.
29:58
Speaker 1: You're creating very interesting dichotomy between science and dogmatic belief.
30:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think what happened is partly because
30:19
Speaker 2: of Shakespeare, science and the Enlightenment, people began to doubt
30:24
Speaker 2: the existence of God, which is very, very unusual. And
30:30
Speaker 2: most atheists I know have a tremendous belief in science.
30:34
Speaker 2: They just absolutely believe in the Big Bang, which is
30:38
Speaker 2: kind of it's kind of silly, the Big Bang, but
30:41
Speaker 2: they believe it.
30:43
Speaker 1: Atheists will point to it's a Christians as being idiotic
30:51
Speaker 1: for believing in a fairy sky god or whatever. Atheists
30:56
Speaker 1: have a placeholder belief, but it's the.
30:59
Speaker 2: Science, yes, exactly, and or you know, useful, of course,
31:04
Speaker 2: religion's useful. Science is useful. I love science. I've always
31:08
Speaker 2: loved it. I still try to keep up with it,
31:12
Speaker 2: the breakthroughs and science or ideas about science. But they've
31:18
Speaker 2: taken it as as absolute faith, the same as any
31:24
Speaker 2: religious faith. And when science doesn't know where a single
31:30
Speaker 2: thought comes from, Science thinks the brain is a chemical
31:35
Speaker 2: soup of very sophisticated, complicated neurons, which they can, you know,
31:41
Speaker 2: point to the chemicals in those neurons and point to
31:45
Speaker 2: the synapses and the acetylcholine and on and on and
31:48
Speaker 2: on and on and on. But where's the thought. Where's
31:52
Speaker 2: the thought in that? Where's the How does a chemical
31:54
Speaker 2: soup become thought? They don't know? Let me know how
32:00
Speaker 2: memory is towards.
32:02
Speaker 1: When you say I love science, I mean that in
32:05
Speaker 1: itself is a weird kind of packaging because science just
32:11
Speaker 1: really means understanding the natural world. It's really what it
32:16
Speaker 1: actually is.
32:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it gives us comfort, you know, it gives us.
32:24
Speaker 2: My favorite example is you go to the dentist and
32:28
Speaker 2: you get your teeth work done and there's no pain
32:30
Speaker 2: involved at all, Like science found novacaine high speed drills,
32:35
Speaker 2: and it really is a major improvement in life or
32:38
Speaker 2: air conditioning, you know it makes life so much more comfortable.
32:43
Speaker 2: But that's really all that science is good for, which
32:46
Speaker 2: is a wonderful thing. But out science, you and I
32:49
Speaker 2: wouldn't be talking now. I've made loads of friends because
32:52
Speaker 2: of science. It's a wonderful thing, but it needs to
32:56
Speaker 2: stay in its lane.
32:58
Speaker 1: And as you say, and as you say, scientists can't
33:01
Speaker 1: explain where new ideas come from.
33:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, their faith in the scientific method is
33:08
Speaker 2: just as great as anybody's faith in Jesus or life
33:12
Speaker 2: after death, or the Messiah coming, or any kind of
33:15
Speaker 2: religious faith. It's the exacts as these people's faith in science.
33:20
Speaker 2: And they won't be able to understand that. When you
33:23
Speaker 2: tell them that, they'll they'll think you're crazy for saying that.
33:27
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't really understand what faith is. They
33:30
Speaker 2: haven't put much thought into it. And it's what it's
33:37
Speaker 2: doing is giving science too large a role to play
33:41
Speaker 2: in society, particularly around health, and it's you know, they're
33:47
Speaker 2: using science to bludgeon us with these especially here in
33:51
Speaker 2: the States, you know, with these vaccine schedules, and you
33:58
Speaker 2: know they'll take your kid away from you here if
34:00
Speaker 2: you don't, if you don't follow the science, which is
34:05
Speaker 2: which is really scary and tyrannical. And they're also using
34:10
Speaker 2: science for tyranny, you know, to keep closer tabs on us.
34:14
Speaker 2: And the possibility they could do digital currency, well.
34:20
Speaker 1: I mean that's technocracy.
34:22
Speaker 2: That's the technocracy, which is what scientism leads to. And
34:26
Speaker 2: these gurus of scientism, like was you've all Noah Harari
34:31
Speaker 2: talking about the scientists, scientists saying the algorithm will know
34:35
Speaker 2: you better than you know yourself, and scient to say, well,
34:42
Speaker 2: if a scientist said it, it must be true, and
34:45
Speaker 2: it's it needs to be spoken about. And we need
34:51
Speaker 2: citizen committees on science. And I think driverless cars are
34:56
Speaker 2: really a mistake. I think a lot of things that
35:00
Speaker 2: science can do or a mistake and they shouldn't do them.
35:03
Speaker 2: But there's no checks on science today, Like why are
35:07
Speaker 2: they creating you know, embryos in a lab in fake wombs?
35:13
Speaker 2: Like what is that? And they'll tell you, oh, it's
35:15
Speaker 2: for it's for you, it's to help humanity. They'll always
35:20
Speaker 2: tell you it's for your safety or pure sickness. But
35:26
Speaker 2: it's really about profit. That the whole scientific industry is
35:30
Speaker 2: largely now about control and profit when it still has
35:36
Speaker 2: it in people's mind that it's a search for the truth,
35:40
Speaker 2: for truth and understanding. It's largely profit and control, and
35:46
Speaker 2: we need to have this conversation about science. I find
35:50
Speaker 2: it hard to write about, but people are writing about it,
35:55
Speaker 2: and the topic of scientism is growing. The understanding that
35:59
Speaker 2: we live under a religion of scientism is growing. So
36:04
Speaker 2: I'm very encouraged by that.
36:06
Speaker 1: You said earlier that when you think about Britain, you
36:11
Speaker 1: immediately think about Shakespeare, and I must be honest, I
36:17
Speaker 1: also think about King James.
36:19
Speaker 2: Do you really no kidding? I would think the Beatles
36:26
Speaker 2: or soccer.
36:28
Speaker 1: Well, yes, of course it is.
36:30
Speaker 2: Of course the Beatles.
36:31
Speaker 1: I think the Beatles is one of the first ones
36:32
Speaker 1: that come to mind who allegedly wrote their own music.
36:42
Speaker 2: They did a poll amongst the Brits not too long ago,
36:45
Speaker 2: and Shakespeare came out ahead of the Beatles as the
36:47
Speaker 2: most important English person British person.
36:52
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's probably true, but now that you
36:55
Speaker 1: mention it, if you say Britain, there are a few
36:59
Speaker 1: things that immediately coming to mind, King James, Shakespeare, the Beatles,
37:04
Speaker 1: I suppose, Harry Potter right right, I'm trying to think what.
37:09
Speaker 2: Else in soccer the Premier League is huge. If you
37:17
Speaker 2: have a soccer player in the house, you'll find out
37:22
Speaker 2: it's huge, the Premier League.
37:25
Speaker 1: But I mean, regardless of who wrote and recorded the Beatles,
37:29
Speaker 1: I still think they were great.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Shakespeare also has greatness in it. Some of
37:37
Speaker 2: the poetry is remarkable and people are kind of astonished
37:41
Speaker 2: because it's not just stories, but they're told in a
37:46
Speaker 2: very sophisticated way and strict meter. Some of them this
37:50
Speaker 2: stuff that's called blank verse ten beats per line almost
37:55
Speaker 2: perfectly throughout some of the plays. Lots of rhyming, so
38:00
Speaker 2: the technical virtuosity blows a lot of people away about Shakespeare.
38:06
Speaker 2: And you know, you'll find that the propaganda were subjected
38:09
Speaker 2: to is very sophisticated and very well done, and they're
38:18
Speaker 2: good at what they do. That's why it works.
38:22
Speaker 1: Do you think Shakespeare was propped up by the establishment.
38:30
Speaker 2: Well, so, one of my intuitions when I saw that
38:35
Speaker 2: Bacon was involved with the Freemasons was that it's really
38:39
Speaker 2: Freemasonry that made Shakespeare famous. Because when you're a Freemason,
38:45
Speaker 2: you you take a blood oath to support your brother freemason,
38:50
Speaker 2: like you have to do it if you can, you're
38:55
Speaker 2: obligated to do it. And in these plays there's saturated
38:59
Speaker 2: with Masonic symbolism. So a Mason seeing these plays immediately
39:04
Speaker 2: understands they're Masonic and they're supposed to help the play.
39:09
Speaker 2: So they could do that in any number of ways.
39:11
Speaker 2: They could perform in it, they could produce it, they
39:15
Speaker 2: could show it in their theater, they could teach about
39:18
Speaker 2: it in school, they could write a review of it.
39:22
Speaker 2: And it turns out at the earliest promoters of Shakespeare
39:27
Speaker 2: are very famous English poets like Alexander Pope, Samuel Johnson,
39:34
Speaker 2: Samuel Boswell, this guy John Dryden very early, he's from
39:41
Speaker 2: the sixteen seventies, was talking about Shakespeare. Thomas Carlyle. They're
39:47
Speaker 2: all Freemasons. Actually I'm not sure about Carlisle, but Johnson, Boswell,
39:51
Speaker 2: Pope were all Freemasons. And the guy who really kicked
39:56
Speaker 2: off what's called bardolatry or worship of Shakespeare, a guy
40:00
Speaker 2: named David Garrick, who is an actor and a freemason.
40:05
Speaker 2: All these guys are Freemasons, and David Garrick tirelessly promoted
40:10
Speaker 2: Shakespeare as an actor. I think he was a director, producer.
40:17
Speaker 2: He put on the plays, he rewrote the plays and
40:19
Speaker 2: put them on. His name is on a famous theater
40:23
Speaker 2: in England. He literally is the origin of what they
40:28
Speaker 2: call bardolatry, which is worship of Shakespeare. Really is kind
40:31
Speaker 2: of a religion which you wouldn't know about as an
40:35
Speaker 2: average person. But as soon as you delve into Shakespeare,
40:42
Speaker 2: the admiration for him and the regard for him is
40:46
Speaker 2: really like for a deity, and you can find that
40:49
Speaker 2: kind of language throughout and you'll find almost no criticism
40:55
Speaker 2: of Shakespeare, even though a lot of the plays are
40:58
Speaker 2: really gross and harsh and ugly. You'll rarely find an
41:02
Speaker 2: academic or a person of high stature in the intellectual
41:07
Speaker 2: world criticized Shakespeare, because it became this idea was implanted
41:13
Speaker 2: in people that if Shakespeare did it, that means it's good,
41:17
Speaker 2: that means it's correct. You know, go forth and do
41:20
Speaker 2: the same thing. And I really think Shakespeare and Bacon,
41:24
Speaker 2: I mean, kind of put humanity in a bit of
41:27
Speaker 2: a bind, in a mental, mental cage. And the only
41:32
Speaker 2: the only really highly regarded person who strongly criticized Shakespeare
41:37
Speaker 2: was was Leo Tolstoy, who I think we talked about,
41:40
Speaker 2: and Austrian philosopher named Uh, Ludwig Wittgenstein, it's a very sophisticated, contemporary,
41:50
Speaker 2: not contemporary, twentieth century philosopher who didn't who didn't write
41:55
Speaker 2: about it like Tolstoy. Tolstoi wrote a whole long essay
41:58
Speaker 2: about it and just you know, into Shakespeare even called
42:01
Speaker 2: him evil. Whittgen Sein was like, I don't like him.
42:05
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a very good writer. And people
42:07
Speaker 2: just can't handle it. Like if you go online you'll
42:10
Speaker 2: find out all these essays like why didn't wigen segn
42:14
Speaker 2: like Shakespeare? What was going on? What's wrong with him?
42:17
Speaker 2: How could that be? Well, it's because of this, because
42:21
Speaker 2: of that, because you have to like Shakespeare. It's a
42:25
Speaker 2: sign of your sophistication, the sign of yours, you know,
42:30
Speaker 2: intellectual acumen. But there's a lot to dislike about Shakespeare.
42:36
Speaker 2: And what I found coming at it fresh, having you know,
42:43
Speaker 2: independently done some reading, is that I think the birth
42:46
Speaker 2: of not literary nihilism is in Shakespeare, particularly Macbeth. I
42:52
Speaker 2: think the birth of existentialism is in Shakespeare with Hamlet.
42:58
Speaker 2: Hamlet is clearly gnostic. Macbeth is clearly gnostic. Uh, there's
43:04
Speaker 2: there's you know, the or push to empire in the
43:08
Speaker 2: history place, where they you know that glorifies England and
43:12
Speaker 2: glorifies you know, warlike attitude. Those are kind of a
43:15
Speaker 2: separate group of plays, the history plays. But this kind
43:20
Speaker 2: of dark view of life is very, very prevalent in Shakespeare,
43:28
Speaker 2: and it's it's actually quite ugly, but you rarely hear
43:33
Speaker 2: that said, and it's starting to come out. They kind
43:36
Speaker 2: of quash it. What I found is is these books
43:38
Speaker 2: where they'll some of the tragedies are just so gross,
43:42
Speaker 2: and there's this incredible nastiness that is inexplicable. Like let's
43:50
Speaker 2: just say, for example, in Macbeth, like the weird sisters
43:53
Speaker 2: that that give Macbeth the idea that he's going to
43:56
Speaker 2: be king, they're never confronted. They're the real evil in
44:01
Speaker 2: that play, and they somehow mind control Macbeth and make
44:05
Speaker 2: him think he's going to be king. And then his
44:09
Speaker 2: wife is just you know, really evil, and they kill
44:12
Speaker 2: the king and cause a civil war and the witches
44:17
Speaker 2: set it off and they're never confronted. And the play
44:21
Speaker 2: is thought to be about overweening ambition. Macbeth just was
44:25
Speaker 2: too ambitious, Like, don't be too ambitious, kids, but really
44:30
Speaker 2: it's about the witches who used evil to mind control Macbeth.
44:38
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any other word for it. It's
44:40
Speaker 2: right there in the play, and the witches are never confronted,
44:44
Speaker 2: and nobody ever finds out about them, and except the
44:50
Speaker 2: two people that saw them and knew them and talk
44:54
Speaker 2: to them were both dead at the end of the play,
44:56
Speaker 2: and nobody else ever saw them, so that the real
45:00
Speaker 2: evil was never confronted. So it's a really deeply nihilistic,
45:05
Speaker 2: very dark play, and it might be the most popular
45:09
Speaker 2: of the Shakespeare plays because it's so violent and you know,
45:12
Speaker 2: it's a ghost story and witches and demons, and it's short,
45:18
Speaker 2: and it's one of those plays you can understand without
45:21
Speaker 2: having to study what it means, like so many of
45:24
Speaker 2: the plays, very very dark, nihilistic play.
45:28
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, Francis Bacon, was William Shakespeare cool?
45:37
Speaker 2: Now? What the implications are staggering, absolutely staggering that they
45:44
Speaker 2: could pull off such a hoax. They can still keep
45:48
Speaker 2: it going because there's kind of an industry of academics
45:52
Speaker 2: that try to defend it. A couple of famous writers
45:57
Speaker 2: get their names right now, I've got one of the books,
45:59
Speaker 2: right here, James Shapiro. You know they'll hire these guys
46:05
Speaker 2: to write these books. There's the Shakespeare Birthplace trust that
46:11
Speaker 2: it defends the authenticity of Shakespeare as the writer of
46:17
Speaker 2: the place. But it's just completely absurd, Like when you
46:21
Speaker 2: really understand the issues, which are not they're not actually contested,
46:28
Speaker 2: he says, contested will but the fact that there's no
46:31
Speaker 2: record of him going to school, there's no letters, there's
46:34
Speaker 2: no manuscripts. His parents were illiterate, the town of Stratford
46:40
Speaker 2: was maybe twenty percent literate. None of these books he
46:43
Speaker 2: would have needed were there. You know, he wasn't part
46:47
Speaker 2: of the court. He never traveled, like, it's just impossible
46:51
Speaker 2: that he was Shakespeare. Literally impossible, unless you think God,
46:55
Speaker 2: you know, zipped these everything into his brain. One defense
47:00
Speaker 2: is that, well, you don't think a commoner can be
47:02
Speaker 2: a genius. Well, it's not genius, it's knowledge. You can't
47:06
Speaker 2: just know this stuff. You have to have studied it.
47:08
Speaker 2: You can have genius without having studied. That's not a problem.
47:13
Speaker 2: It's just that there's book learning that he had no
47:17
Speaker 2: access to, and there's life experience that he had no
47:20
Speaker 2: access to that he couldn't have just imagined just too
47:23
Speaker 2: much of it. It's too detailed. It's play after play
47:26
Speaker 2: after play after play. All the plays deal with rich people,
47:29
Speaker 2: almost all of them, and almost all of them make
47:33
Speaker 2: fun of poor people, which he grew up poor. He
47:35
Speaker 2: grew up a poor commoner. The plays are outrageously mocking
47:41
Speaker 2: of the poor, and Shakespeare somehow got this image of
47:45
Speaker 2: being a humanist, you know, somebody who's for the people.
47:50
Speaker 2: It's outrageous. He's actually very anti populist. He's very pro monarchy,
47:56
Speaker 2: he's very pro power, over and over and over again.
48:01
Speaker 2: So it's really kind of the opposite of what we
48:04
Speaker 2: spontaneously think of Shakespeare as a wonderful person and a
48:08
Speaker 2: wonderful poet who cared about humanity, who's been a huge
48:13
Speaker 2: net important plus for humanity. Is all not true. The
48:18
Speaker 2: place just elevate power and nihilism and existentialism, which I
48:27
Speaker 2: think to tie it into science kind of makes you
48:29
Speaker 2: reach for something more certain and at least we know that,
48:33
Speaker 2: you know, we know math, and we know that's real,
48:36
Speaker 2: and you sort of want to grab onto something a
48:39
Speaker 2: little more certain. Because the plays do not ever emphasize love.
48:45
Speaker 2: There's very very little love in Shakespeare, which is shocking
48:50
Speaker 2: when you think about it, and it's gnostic, and it
48:54
Speaker 2: all comes back down. All of this stuff boils back
48:58
Speaker 2: down to gnosticism, the freema. Since they're covertly gnostic, science
49:03
Speaker 2: is ultimately nastic. Doesn't have to be. I'm not saying
49:07
Speaker 2: scientists are bad or every scientist believe.
49:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I was alluding to. Yeah, that's
49:12
Speaker 1: that's what I was alluding to.
49:14
Speaker 2: So no, some scientists, great, it is good and important
49:18
Speaker 2: and necessary now, but I.
49:21
Speaker 1: Mean, no, Well, what I mean is people still enjoy
49:26
Speaker 1: quote unquote Shakespeare just like I enjoy the Beatles, regardless
49:30
Speaker 1: of who wrote it.
49:32
Speaker 2: Right, And that's that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I just
49:37
Speaker 2: think it needs to be I just think it needs
49:41
Speaker 2: another angle of interpretation, like the way people go into
49:46
Speaker 2: the Beatles and they point to that one album cover
49:48
Speaker 2: where they post with the chopped up babies.
49:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about that which album
49:53
Speaker 1: is that it was.
49:55
Speaker 2: It came out for a second in England. I think
49:58
Speaker 2: some publicists, gnostic occultist, got them to do it and
50:05
Speaker 2: it was so nasty. It's so horrible that they they
50:09
Speaker 2: yanked it. But if you look it up online you'll
50:11
Speaker 2: see a copy of it, or they'll point to the
50:13
Speaker 2: fact that Alistair Crowley's in that.
50:16
Speaker 1: Well he's on that, Sogeant Pippos first, Yeah he's on that.
50:19
Speaker 2: And we'll kind of point to every little thing that
50:23
Speaker 2: that shows the Beatles were bad guys, but it's not
50:26
Speaker 2: really in their music. But then they'll find like Maxwell's
50:30
Speaker 2: Silver Hammer about the serial killer and things like that,
50:35
Speaker 2: where you could do that in Shakespeare.
50:37
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, but I will say this. I don't
50:41
Speaker 1: know if you're a big Beatles fan, but yes I am.
50:45
Speaker 1: All right, So God doesn't rub a soult.
50:49
Speaker 2: And they promised you I would do that, and I will.
50:52
Speaker 2: I looked up to I looked up the song list.
50:55
Speaker 1: And the songs are very different to the previous albums.
50:59
Speaker 2: The previous I mean I did look up the two albums.
51:02
Speaker 2: Of course I recognized all the songs and songs. They're great.
51:09
Speaker 2: They're weird them almost all their songs are great. It's
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Speaker 2: really weird. It's really remarkable. But people say that about
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Speaker 2: the Shakespeare because Shakespeare's got a lot of crummy plays.
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Speaker 2: I think everybody acknowledges that, Yeah, it's weird, it's weird.
51:24
Speaker 2: How good they were, But those Brits man they've got something,
51:30
Speaker 2: they really do. They have great painters, they're some of
51:34
Speaker 2: the greatest painters ever, mathematicians, scientists, sculptors, I'm not so
51:40
Speaker 2: sure about geographers, explorers, sailors, spies, filmmakers, athletes. But you
51:55
Speaker 2: don't think of that when you think of them. You
51:56
Speaker 2: think of like good manners and youing up on schedule
52:01
Speaker 2: for the bus and politeness. But they're really like extraordinarily
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Speaker 2: brilliant people.
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Speaker 1: And I don't conka half the world by Austin nicety.
52:15
Speaker 2: So you never think of that with them, like the
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Speaker 2: brutal like well, I mean I'm a result of that
52:21
Speaker 2: of course South Africa, right yeah? And what are they
52:27
Speaker 2: doing there? And how did they get there? Are people
52:30
Speaker 2: to go along with it. It's a very very Christian nation.
52:35
Speaker 2: This Peter Ackroyd, he's a famous English writer. He wrote
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Speaker 2: a book called London. Didn't read the whole thing, but
52:43
Speaker 2: I had it with me when I was in London.
52:45
Speaker 2: He says there's more churches in London than there are
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Speaker 2: in Rome. Really really Christian nation. But somehow they got
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Speaker 2: their boys to go to Burma and India and Australia.
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Speaker 2: South Africa and mucked things up. But of course because
53:05
Speaker 2: they told him it was the white man's burden. We
53:08
Speaker 2: have to help these poor backward people, and they buy it.
53:12
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean about the narrative power of
53:15
Speaker 2: propaganda is cemented in Shakespeare. And I am convinced they
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Speaker 2: teach Shakespeare in spy school and in propaganda school. And
53:25
Speaker 2: I've done a whole deep dive into Richard Third, where
53:30
Speaker 2: Shakespeare lied about the king just before the tutors took over.
53:36
Speaker 2: So the tutor line Henry seven, Henry eighth, and Queen
53:39
Speaker 2: Elizabeth were the result of usurping the throne from a king,
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Speaker 2: King Richard Third, who Shakespeare portrayed as the violence human
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Speaker 2: being who ever lived in the play called the Tragedy
53:54
Speaker 2: of King Richard the Third, which is a total lie,
54:00
Speaker 2: but it got understood as truth. It was expert propaganda.
54:06
Speaker 2: I think it's the beginning of modern propaganda. I think
54:09
Speaker 2: it's the beginning of mass manipulation of the masses right there.
54:14
Speaker 2: It was one of the first Shakespeare plays ever, so
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Speaker 2: of the first ones printed, the first ones performed, and
54:21
Speaker 2: it took over three hundred years, took until the nineteen
54:25
Speaker 2: forties til someone wrote a book and said, man, these
54:29
Speaker 2: history plays, they're really slanted. They're really pro tutor. They're
54:34
Speaker 2: all there to prop up the tutors called the tutor myth.
54:37
Speaker 2: Took three hundred years for people to notice because they
54:41
Speaker 2: got so wrapped up in the intensity of the plays.
54:45
Speaker 2: And when you watch the play and know that it's propaganda,
54:49
Speaker 2: it becomes almost absurdist. It's so ham fisted and obvious,
54:55
Speaker 2: but it's still powerful. And in fact, they just redid
54:59
Speaker 2: it in a in the television made for TV series
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Speaker 2: called The Hollow Crown. And I encourage everyone to watch
55:07
Speaker 2: Richard the Third in The Hollow Crown, and you won't
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Speaker 2: believe what you see if you've never seen this play,
55:13
Speaker 2: you won't believe like the intensity of the emotion generated
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Speaker 2: in this play, and how vile Richard is, like you
55:21
Speaker 2: almost couldn't be a more vile person than Richard. And
55:28
Speaker 2: it turns out it's all fabricated. And that got exposed
55:33
Speaker 2: by a play by a movie called The Lost King,
55:35
Speaker 2: about a woman Philip the Langley, a conspiracy theorist, who
55:40
Speaker 2: got together with her friends a group called the Richard
55:44
Speaker 2: Third Society, who are saying, you know, I don't think
55:47
Speaker 2: Richard was so bad. Really, I think you might have
55:49
Speaker 2: been quite a good king. I see have such a
55:52
Speaker 2: bad reputation. I think we mentioned this last time. They
55:56
Speaker 2: would talk to people about it, and the first response
55:59
Speaker 2: everybody had was, Oh, you don't trust Shakespeare. You don't
56:03
Speaker 2: believe Shakespeare, do you. And it turns out that they
56:07
Speaker 2: found Richard the Third's bones, you know, ignominiously buried in
56:13
Speaker 2: a parking lot. Maybe they were part of a church somewhere,
56:15
Speaker 2: but the tutors. The movie as a subplot, exposes tutor
56:21
Speaker 2: propaganda against Richard the Third. It's really brilliant. It's sort
56:26
Speaker 2: of the first chipping away on a large scale at
56:32
Speaker 2: how propagandistic the shakespeare plays are and that there art
56:38
Speaker 2: with a purpose, and that's to cement the monarchy, the
56:44
Speaker 2: present monarchy, and give power to the powerful. It's really remarkable.
56:49
Speaker 2: So everyone, if you're interested. It's a really fun movie.
56:52
Speaker 2: It's called The Lost King. It's a Coogan what's his name?
56:59
Speaker 2: Very fun Coogan made it. He plays the husband of
57:03
Speaker 2: Philippa Langley. And it's based on a true story. And
57:06
Speaker 2: they did find the bones and they changed history because
57:10
Speaker 2: nobody knew where the bones were buried because the tutors
57:13
Speaker 2: were so nasty. I mean, that was really the nasty period.
57:17
Speaker 2: And I just have to think about Henry the Eighth,
57:20
Speaker 2: I mean what he did is incredible.
57:23
Speaker 1: Ah, there's another name, think about top.
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Speaker 2: That was Elizabeth's father. Yeah, just incredible. It's actually reversal,
57:33
Speaker 2: you know, it's an inversion of the truth that Richard
57:37
Speaker 2: I was a decent guy and the tutors were vicious
57:42
Speaker 2: and even Elizabeth. An English Latin scholar recently put out
57:50
Speaker 2: a book called Shakespeare The Demonstrable Reality, where he tells
57:55
Speaker 2: you the truth about Queen Elizabeth, who's got a much
57:57
Speaker 2: softer image than her father, Henry the Eighth, who, as
58:01
Speaker 2: everyone knows, cut off two of his wives heads. Elizabeth,
58:06
Speaker 2: of course couldn't do that. Supposedly was the virgin queen,
58:09
Speaker 2: but she had definitely had children and multiple affairs. But
58:13
Speaker 2: she also had many many people hung, drawn and quartered,
58:19
Speaker 2: which is one of the cruelest possible methods of execution imaginable,
58:24
Speaker 2: and it was very very popular in England for treason.
58:27
Speaker 2: It was traumaic, it was traumatic, it traumatized the population,
58:32
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth ordered it over one hundred and twenty five
58:36
Speaker 2: times for Catholic priests. And this book is great and
58:43
Speaker 2: M Gwynn an Englishman called William Shakespeare The Demonstrable Reality.
58:48
Speaker 2: I have a whole podcast on it, and I go
58:51
Speaker 2: over all this stuff in my podcasts and essays if
58:57
Speaker 2: you want, and with references, and you know, horses for
59:00
Speaker 2: all of this stuff.
59:02
Speaker 1: Well that's a great segue. So how can ahfu Leo work?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Check out The Hidden Life is Best dot com.
59:11
Speaker 2: My great webmaster Susan put everything in one place and
59:18
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59:20
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59:26
Speaker 2: to the podcasts. And most of the stuff is free.
59:30
Speaker 2: Some of the podcasts, you know, for five dollars a month,
59:34
Speaker 2: you can listen to all the podcasts. I strongly recommend
59:37
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet the podcast version. Let's just say Roby
59:43
Speaker 2: and Juliet, it's not about love and romance. I won't
59:48
Speaker 2: say anymore. No spoiler alerts.
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Speaker 1: All right, Robert Fredrick, thank you for joining me in
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Speaker 1: the Dringers.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jerem, thanks for talking great