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The Monster of Crowsnest Pass - Derek Saretzky · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In September of twenty fifteen, the quiet Mountain communities of
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  Speaker 1: Blairmore and Coleman in Alberta, Canada were shaken by a
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  Speaker 1: series of violent crimes that unfolded over the course of
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  Speaker 1: less than a week. It began with the murder of
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  Speaker 1: a sixty nine year old woman living alone, followed days
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  Speaker 1: later by the killing of a young father in the
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  Speaker 1: disappearance of his two year old daughter. What started as
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  Speaker 1: separate investigations quickly merged into one of the most disturbing
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  Speaker 1: criminal cases the area had ever seen, and as police
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  Speaker 1: searched for a missing child under a multi province hamber alert,
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  Speaker 1: they soon also uncovered tips and evidence that pointed to
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  Speaker 1: a perpetrator within the very family of those who called
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  Speaker 1: in the tips. This is a story of murder and abduction.
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  Speaker 1: This is the story of the monster known as Derek Sureski.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following material intend more matual audience listener discretion.
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  Speaker 2: It was our Honey's Gotcha Day this week.
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  Speaker 1: It was If you don't know what a gotcha day.
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  Speaker 2: Is, We're going to tell you three years of basically
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  Speaker 2: having Honey in our life officially from adoption.
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  Speaker 1: And Honey is our dog for the record, one of
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  Speaker 1: our dogs. So yeah, the gotcha day is like the
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  Speaker 1: anniversary of when we officially adopted, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't actually know her birthday per se, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we just celebrate her gotcha day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, three years with a little honey bunny.
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  Speaker 2: Be oh, and this is the longest she's ever been
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  Speaker 2: with a home because previously she had been with one
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  Speaker 2: for a year and then another one with two years.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's a big one because it marks
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  Speaker 2: like the longest the longest time, and it's just going
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  Speaker 2: to carry on, hun because we're not getting rid of you,
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  Speaker 2: that's true.
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  Speaker 1: And I also actually managed to celebrate that day by
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  Speaker 1: getting a tattoo of a honeybee or honey. I also
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  Speaker 1: got a couple other tattoos and related to other animals
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  Speaker 1: we have ripley, I always color my sweetheart, so I
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  Speaker 1: got like one of those little like candy super cute
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  Speaker 1: candy like hearts that's his sweetheart on it. And then
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I got some other tattoos too, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: those are the ones that I think pertained to this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty cool way to celebrate a dog's
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  Speaker 2: gotcha day? It is.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't, honestly, it was an accident that had just happened.
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  Speaker 1: I booked the pointment.
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  Speaker 2: I pointed it out to you.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you were like you realized that's her,
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, well, I'm getting a tattoo
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  Speaker 1: for her on her gotcha day.
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  Speaker 2: I guess yeah. I made her homemade dog cookies. But
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem as cool as getting a tattooed now, but
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  Speaker 2: that's what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, We're happy that she's on her life. And
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  Speaker 1: if you guys are ever able, we highly recommend adopting
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  Speaker 1: an animal from a shelter. They are highly in need
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  Speaker 1: and if you can ever help them, we definitely havevocate
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  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was our We have had adopted cats previously,
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  Speaker 2: but this was our first adopted dog. Previously, we had
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  Speaker 2: gotten our other two as puppies, so it's quite different.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of it's really a nice feeling actually to
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  Speaker 2: give them this new life.
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  Speaker 1: It's really nice. But also something else that's really nice
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  Speaker 1: is the Olympic ceremonies are starting today. Yes, opening ceremony
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  Speaker 1: the Olympics are officially starting over in Italy, So good
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  Speaker 1: luck to all the participants, whatever country you're involved in.
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  Speaker 1: I hope it's going to be a good games. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really looking forward to, of course hockey. I mean we're
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  Speaker 1: hockey people in Canadians, so that just kind of goes
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  Speaker 1: without saying, and yeah, it's going.
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  Speaker 3: To be good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what a big deal for all those athletes that
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  Speaker 2: made the freaking Olympics, even if they think their performance
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  Speaker 2: isn't like their best or something, right, I think I
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  Speaker 2: know someone already got injured just in their prelim stuff,
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  Speaker 2: which sucks, but they still were that good that they
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  Speaker 2: freaking made the Olympics, which that's.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, bonkers. So I want to just dedicate this drink
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  Speaker 1: to all the Olympians who are out there doing their
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  Speaker 1: best representing their country. Even if you unfortunately, hey don't
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  Speaker 1: get to go far, you get injured, whatever, you still
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  Speaker 1: made it to the Olympics. And that's one hell of
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. So I'm raising the glass to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, cheers to them. I'm looking forward to watching this.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be really good. But we do have
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  Speaker 1: an interesting case today, Oh yeah, we do. And an
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  Speaker 1: interesting scenario because you usually don't know much about the cases,
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  Speaker 1: if anything at all, But this case, you watched the
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  Speaker 1: documentary and you recommended it, so you know a lot
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  Speaker 1: about this case as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this might happen a little bit more now that
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of taking a bit more of a role
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  Speaker 2: in Wicked and Grim and helping fine cases and stuff, right, well,
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  Speaker 2: the back end of Wicked and Grim, I should say. So,
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  Speaker 2: I've been indulging in some true crime cases to kind
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  Speaker 2: of for recommendations. And this is a frickin' gooder.
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  Speaker 1: It's a doozy. It's bad though, So and I do
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  Speaker 1: want to say, I mean, we gave enough trigger warnings
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  Speaker 1: in the intro. Just take the intro to heart when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to any sort of trigger warnings for today.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'll let you know that. But if you're ready,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a case that needs to be heard, so
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  Speaker 2: let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: In the late summer of twenty fifteen, the Crow's Nest
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  Speaker 1: Pass felt much the same as it always had. September
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  Speaker 1: in southwestern Alberta, Canada usually arrives quietly the heat of August. Here, well,
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  Speaker 1: it faded mornings were starting to be cooler, and people
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  Speaker 1: started to pull the light jackets out from the back
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  Speaker 1: of their closets again. And the mountains that surrounded the town,
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  Speaker 1: like Blairmore and Coleman, they were still green, but hints
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  Speaker 1: of autumn were beginning to show with some pops of
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  Speaker 1: yellow in the trees. Nights also came a little earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the air well it felt sharper. It had that
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  Speaker 1: familiar autumn scent that was beginning to linger just a
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  Speaker 1: bit in the mornings. Winter was still a ways away,
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  Speaker 1: and everyone who lived there knew it was coming, though,
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  Speaker 1: but life in the past it still moved at a
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  Speaker 1: casual pace. Most people knew their neighbors and recognized each
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  Speaker 1: other's vehicles. They ran into the same faces at the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store, in the gas station and local restaurants. News
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  Speaker 1: here had a habit of traveling very quickly, usually through
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  Speaker 1: conversations rather than headlines. For families, routines were simple and
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  Speaker 1: very predictable. Parents worked their shifts and kids were settling
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  Speaker 1: back into daycare or preschool. Evenings were spent cooking dinner,
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  Speaker 1: watching television, or walking dogs before dark. Weekends this time
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  Speaker 1: of year meant people were getting ready for things like
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  Speaker 1: hunting season, and still enjoying backyard barbecues and drives through
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  Speaker 1: the mountains. It was the kind of place where nothing
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  Speaker 1: much seemed to change from one week to the next.
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  Speaker 1: In blairmore small rental homes and modest houses lined quiet streets,
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  Speaker 1: and in Coleman, older trailers and cottages sat closer together,
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  Speaker 1: many of them owned by people who had lived there
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  Speaker 1: for decades. These weren't towns were people expected surprises. Serious
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  Speaker 1: crimes were extremely rare, and most problems were handled with
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  Speaker 1: a simple phone call or a conversation, or even a
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  Speaker 1: knock on the neighbor's door. By early September, children were
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  Speaker 1: getting into their new school schedules, parents were adjusting their routines,
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  Speaker 1: and summer vacation was officially over. Life was settling back
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  Speaker 1: into that familiar rhythm. No one knew that within days
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  Speaker 1: that rhythm would be shattered, that police car search teams
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  Speaker 1: and national news media crews would soon be filling their streets.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, it was just another quiet stretch of
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  Speaker 1: late summer in the small Canadian community where people went
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  Speaker 1: to work, took care of their families, and assumed tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: would look a lot like it did today. It was
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  Speaker 1: the evening of September ninth, twenty fifteen. Not The small
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  Speaker 1: town of Coleman, Alberta, was quiet in a way it
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  Speaker 1: usually was. With a population of only a few hundred people,
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  Speaker 1: most residents knew each other by name. Hannah Mattek lived
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  Speaker 1: in Coleman for years. She was sixty nine years old
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  Speaker 1: and well known in the community. Originally from Copenhagen, she
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  Speaker 1: had built a quiet life in southern Alberta, and she
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  Speaker 1: was known for being independent, strong willed, and involved in
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  Speaker 1: local activities. She worked at a thrift store, helped others
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  Speaker 1: when she could, and she earned a reputation as someone
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  Speaker 1: who didn't shy away from speaking her mind. Friends and
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  Speaker 1: neighbors described her as kind but also tough, especially when
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  Speaker 1: she felt that she was being treated unfairly. But essentially,
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying is she's the kind of person we
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  Speaker 1: all hope to be when we start growing a little older.
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  Speaker 2: Right, There's nothing wrong with sticking up for yourself exactly.
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  Speaker 1: She's strong willed, tough minded, and she ain't going to
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  Speaker 1: take no shit from nobody.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of thing which I respect.
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  Speaker 1: I like that now. On that night of September ninth,
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  Speaker 1: Hannah was at home in her trailer preparing for bed.
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  Speaker 1: Sometime late that night, someone broke into her home. Investigators
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  Speaker 1: would later determine that the door had been forced open.
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  Speaker 1: The doorframe had shown clear signs of damage, suggesting that
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  Speaker 1: the person whoever entered did so forcefully rather than by invitation,
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  Speaker 1: and once inside, the person confronted Hannah in her bedroom
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  Speaker 1: and attacked. According to the medical examiner's findings, Hannah suffered
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  Speaker 1: multiple blunt force injuries to her head. Investigators believed that
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  Speaker 1: she had likely been struck with a heavy object, possibly
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  Speaker 1: a baseball bat, and in addition to her head injuries,
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  Speaker 1: she was stabbed twice in the neck and had superficial
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  Speaker 1: cuts across her throat. There was also defensive wounds present
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  Speaker 1: on her hands and arms, which indicated that she tried
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  Speaker 1: to fight back against whoever this was that it entered
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  Speaker 1: her home. Blood was all throughout the layout of her
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  Speaker 1: home and of the scene. It suggested a very vicious
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  Speaker 1: struggle rather than a quick and controlled attack. Nothing of
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  Speaker 1: value appeared to be taken. There were no signs of theft,
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  Speaker 1: no indication that robbery had been a motive. Nothing like that.
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  Speaker 1: Some time later, after the attack, a neighbor noticed that
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  Speaker 1: something was wrong. On the morning of September tenth. The
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  Speaker 1: neighbor saw that the door to Hannah's trailer was left open,
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  Speaker 1: which was unusual, so concerned that something might be wrong,
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  Speaker 1: they contacted police, and when officers arrived and entered the home,
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  Speaker 1: they discovered Hannah's body inside, along with the horrific bloody scene.
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  Speaker 1: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the RCMP, secured the
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  Speaker 1: area and forensic teams were quickly called in. They documented
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  Speaker 1: the damage to the door, the blood pattern inside the trailer,
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  Speaker 1: and the position of Hannah's body. The sheer brutality of
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  Speaker 1: the assault alone stood out immediately. Even the experienced officers
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  Speaker 1: on scene had a little trouble with this despite it,
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  Speaker 1: Although their efforts everything, they couldn't do much. There was
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  Speaker 1: no obvious suspect. It didn't lead anywhere right away. Hannah
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  Speaker 1: had lived alone, she had known enemies. There was no
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  Speaker 1: clear personal dispute that explained what had happened.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Her ex husband and another individual who had recently been
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  Speaker 1: released from custody, were briefly considered as possible persons of interest,
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  Speaker 1: but both were eventually ruled out. At the time, police
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  Speaker 1: had a little to work with beyond the physical evidence
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  Speaker 1: that was left behind. There were no public reports of
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  Speaker 1: suspicious vehicles in the area, no witnesses that came forward
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  Speaker 1: with information about seeing someone enter or leave her home,
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  Speaker 1: and no clear motive that had been identified. So without
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  Speaker 1: a suspect or a clear direction, investigators focused on processing
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene and collecting every possible detail and preserving
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  Speaker 1: what they could so that it might be used later
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  Speaker 1: when they do find a suspect. In the days that followed,
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  Speaker 1: officers continued working the case quietly, but no one knew
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  Speaker 1: yet that this would be only the first part of
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  Speaker 1: something much larger. At this point, Hannah's murderer stood alone,
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  Speaker 1: but within five days that would change.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know too much about Hannah's murder, but I
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  Speaker 2: just have to say that I feel like murders in
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  Speaker 2: small communities, really small towns, just hit so much harder
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  Speaker 2: than in bigger cities. Like I've lived in quite a
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  Speaker 2: few small towns growing up, and yeah, something like this
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  Speaker 2: happening when everyone knows each other. I don't know, it
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  Speaker 2: just hits so much different.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's like hitting within a community rather than like
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  Speaker 1: a large city. Large cities don't get me wrong, it's
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  Speaker 1: just as tragic when someone passes away and gets murdered.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so much easier to overlook.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so much easier.
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  Speaker 3: You probably didn't know the person kind of thing, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: or just assume you know they you know what, they
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  Speaker 3: got themselves in a bad situation, like all those things
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  Speaker 3: that you can shrug off.
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  Speaker 2: But in a.
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  Speaker 1: Community like this, it's your neighbor, it's your your cousin's friend,
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  Speaker 1: or someone you went fishing with last.
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  Speaker 2: Year, or the lady that works at the thrift store.
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  Speaker 1: Those sort of things, so it becomes much more personal
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  Speaker 1: and close to home. And you're right, it hits so
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  Speaker 1: much harder, so much harder.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and even a bit more scary, I suppose to,
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  Speaker 2: because the suspect pool, you know, is a little bit less,
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  Speaker 2: so it's like who did this? Yeah? Now.
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  Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of Monday, September fourteenth, twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: the town of Blairmore was quiet, in the way it
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  Speaker 1: usually was at that time of day. There was a
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  Speaker 1: little movement in the community, and anything unusual tended to
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  Speaker 1: kind of stand out. It was some time between three
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  Speaker 1: and three thirty AM when several neighbors living near Terry
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  Speaker 1: Blenchett's home were awakened by an unfamiliar sound. One resident
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  Speaker 1: later told police that he heard what sounded like metal
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  Speaker 1: being struck or kicked, possibly sheets of roofing material that
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  Speaker 1: had been stacked nearby. Others reported hearing noise coming from
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  Speaker 1: the alley behind the houses, and when some of them
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  Speaker 1: looked outside, they noticed a white commercial style van parked.
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  Speaker 2: In the area.
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  Speaker 1: One neighbor even said that it was sitting in the
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  Speaker 1: driveway of an elderly resident who didn't drive, which made
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  Speaker 1: the presence of it just a little more unusual. And remember,
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  Speaker 1: Blairmore is a small town here, people were accustomed to
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  Speaker 1: seeing familiar vehicles. This one, on the other hand, it
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  Speaker 1: stood out much more. But as much as it was odd,
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  Speaker 1: the sound that followed, well, it was even more so.
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  Speaker 1: At least one neighbor reported hearing what sounded like a
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  Speaker 1: child crying or maybe whimpering. The noise was faint but
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  Speaker 1: noticeable in the stillness of the early morning. Some witnesses
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  Speaker 1: believe they may have heard an adult voice as well,
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  Speaker 1: possibly trying to calm the child, though no one could
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  Speaker 1: be certain now at the time that this was actually happening,
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  Speaker 1: there was no clear reason to be believe that a
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  Speaker 1: serious crime was taking place. Blairmore was considered a very
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  Speaker 1: safe community. Strange noises could be explained by many ordinary situations.
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  Speaker 1: You know, someone leaving for work, early vehicle problems, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe a late night delivery. Who knows. This is a
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  Speaker 1: plethora of different things, and without any obvious signs of
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  Speaker 1: danger or concern, people simply just went back to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Some witnesses did say they saw the van leave the area,
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  Speaker 1: though several later told police that it drove away quickly
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  Speaker 1: heading west. One neighbor noticed that the vehicle had an
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  Speaker 1: unusual antenna described as a buggy whip style antenna on
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  Speaker 1: the back of the van with a blue tip. At
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  Speaker 1: approximately three point thirty one am, surveillance footage from the
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  Speaker 1: Best Canadian Motor Inn captured a white van traveling westbound
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  Speaker 1: on twentieth Avenue two. The vehicle it matched the general
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  Speaker 1: description given by witnesses. An additional footage from a gas
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  Speaker 1: station in the town of Coleman had also recorded a
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  Speaker 1: similar van days earlier, near the time of Hannah's murder.
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  Speaker 1: Later on that same morning, William Blanchett was driving through
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  Speaker 1: the Crow's Nest pass on his way from Elkford, British Columbia,
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  Speaker 1: to Calgary, Alberta, where he was planning to have some
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  Speaker 1: work done in his vehicle. As he passed through Blairmore,
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  Speaker 1: he decided to stop and visit his son and granddaughter. Now,
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  Speaker 1: William had often helped care for his granddaughter Haley while
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  Speaker 1: his son, Terry was at work, and the two stayed
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  Speaker 1: in very close contact. When William arrived at Terry's home,
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  Speaker 1: he saw his son's car parked in the driveway, which
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  Speaker 1: made him assume that Terry and Haley were, of course inside,
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  Speaker 1: so he walked up to the front door and he knocked,
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  Speaker 1: expecting to be let in, but there was no answer.
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  Speaker 1: He sent Terry a text message to let him know
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  Speaker 1: he was there, and after waiting briefly and not receiving
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  Speaker 1: any reply, he assumed that he might have just stepped
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  Speaker 1: out and decided to continue on his way. So William
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  Speaker 1: drove to the neighboring community of frank to get some fuel.
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  Speaker 1: While at the gas station, though he tried to call
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  Speaker 1: Terry several times, but each call went straight to voicemail.
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  Speaker 1: Now this began to worry him. Terry was usually quick
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  Speaker 1: to answer or return some calls, and, combined with the
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  Speaker 1: unusual unanswered, knocked the door with his car in the
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  Speaker 1: driveway in the lack of response. All of this just
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  Speaker 1: made William uneasy, and he decided to return to the
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  Speaker 1: house to check again. When he drove back to Terry's home,
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  Speaker 1: he noticed that the front door was left unlocked. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Terry often left it that way. That was nothing unusual,
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  Speaker 1: even just when leaving briefly sort of thing right. And
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  Speaker 1: the unlocked door, now, though, it added a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a more another layer to this. If he were
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  Speaker 1: to just, you know what, have an unlocked door, that's
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  Speaker 1: one thing. But he's not answering the door. He's not
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  Speaker 1: answering calls, and there's an unlocked door. Things started to
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  Speaker 1: not feel right every time something else popped up. He
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  Speaker 1: opened the door and went inside and immediately noticed how
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  Speaker 1: quiet the house was. Now with a two year old
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  Speaker 1: living there, the home was rarely completely silent. He called
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  Speaker 1: out Terry, and then he called out to Haley, but
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  Speaker 1: there was no one that responded. As he walked through
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  Speaker 1: the main floor, William began to notice some things. He
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  Speaker 1: saw Terry's comforter lying on the floor, between the bedroom
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and the bathroom, and he noticed what appeared to be
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: blood on parts of the kitchen floor and nearby surfaces.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: There were signs that something had clearly happened, although he
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: did not yet understand what he was seeing. With each
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: step through the house, his concern grew more and more.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: He continued towards the bathroom, which was dark, and when
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: he turned on the light, that's when he saw his
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: son lying on the floor between the toilet and the vanity.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Terry's body was partially wrapped in a blood soaked blanket,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: and there was blood on the floor and surrounding area.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It was obvious right away that Terry had suffered a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: serious head injury, but worse of as William stared down
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: at him, he saw that his son's throat had been cut.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I forgot that the dad found him.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: He rushed to Terry's side and tried to lift him,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: hoping that there might be still a chance that he's alived,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: But as soon as he made contact with his son's skin,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Terry was cold. He was already dead. William was devastated,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: but he immediately began searching for his granddaughter Haley. He
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: ran upstairs frantically calling her name as he moved through
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the house, and when he reached her bedroom, that's when
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he found that her crib was empty. The bedding, blankets, pillows,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and toys were usually inside, but they were missing too,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and he also noticed blood on the bedroom door and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: on one of her dolls, as well as bloody footprints
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: on the stairs and parts of the floor. In that instant,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: it was clear to William that Haley had been taken.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: At approximately eleven ti twelve am, William dialed nine one
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: one and reported what he had found.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: This scene would just be not okay for like a parent,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: parents aren't supposed to lose their children. So I just
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: can't even imagine him going into this, this just complete
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: crime scene and finding his son dead and his granddaughter missing,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Like holy shit, it just freakin' rips my heart out.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It's gut wrenching. Yeah, And honestly, it's beyond a crime scene,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Like this is a murder scene.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, brutal one, Yeah, no, it would have been.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You know, no one should, like even investigators, gosh, having
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: to go into these houses and their lives are never
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: going to be the same after seeing all the shit.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Emergency responders and RCNP officers were sent to the house immediately,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and when they arrived, officers saw all the blood smears
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: throughout the home, beginning in the bedroom and continuing into
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the bathroom. Drag marks were also on the floor that
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: showed that Terry had been attacked in his bed and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: then pulled through the house. Investigators also documented the blood
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: evidence in Haley's room, including stains on her crib, personal belongings,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: all which suggested that whoever had taken her had blood
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: on their hands and clothing at the time, which means
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it was the same person who had killed Terry. Within hours,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the house was declared a major crime scene and RCMP
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Major Crimes Unit investigators based in Calgary were contacted and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: dispatched to Blairmore. By the afternoon, police began canvassing nearby homes,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: speaking with neighbors and checking whether anyone had seen Haley
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: that morning. Officers were going door to door asking if
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: anyone heard unusual noises or anything that had happened overnight
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: seen suspicious activity. They also checked with friends, family members,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and child care contacts to rule out the possibility that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Hayley had been picked up by someone that she knew now.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: At the same time, officers worked to contact information for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Haley's mother, Cheyenne Dunbar, who was living in Edmonton at
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the time. Investigators soon learned that Cheyenne had not been
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: seen or spoken to Terry or Haley that morning and
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: had no idea that anything was wrong. She was, of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: course shattered to learn that her daughter was missing and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that Terry had been killed. She was heartbroken, but she
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: also immediately began cooperating with investigators and provided any information
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that she could about the custody agreement that she and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Terry had. There was recent communications maybe you know what,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: maybe whatever, who might have access to Terry's home, things
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like that she's trying to share, and as evidence continued
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to be reviewed, police focused on narrowing down the likely
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: time frame of the abduction. Based on witness statements and
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: early findings, They determined that Haley had most likely been
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: taken from the home at approximately three point thirty am,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: which meant that she'd be missing for several hours before
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Terry's body had even been discovered, which greatly increased concern
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: for her safety. By two fourteen PM, an Amber alert
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: was issued across the province of Alberta. The alert included
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a description of Haley, including her age and the fact
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that she'd been abducted from her home. The Amber Alert
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: also asked the public to report any sightings immediately and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: warned and also warned them that she might be in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: danger now. Given Blair Moore's location near the British Columbia
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: border and its proximity to major highways leading south, police
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: feared that whoever had taken Haley could attempt to flee
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: the area, and an hour later, at three point fifteen pm,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the Amber Alert was expanded into British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the United State of Montana. Since Haley was abducted during
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the night, police were faced with a possibility that she
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: could be already hundreds of kilometers away, so URCMP officers
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: worked urgently to piece anything they could together, any information
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that might indicate how she been taken, where she might
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: be taken and now. Witness statements collected earlier from the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: day had neighbors mentioning that they saw that white van
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: in the area, those noises during the early mornings, those
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: sort of things, and investigators reviewed these accounts carefully and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: started comparing them to each other in order to determine
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: whatever they were describing to see if it was the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: same vehicle in the same incident, and it seemed very
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: much so like they were. They saw a white commercial
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: style van leaving the area at around three thirty am
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: at a high rate of speed, with a large antenna
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: on the back with something blue on the end. Although
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: no one had managed to record a license plate number,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the consistency of the details suggested everything was connected. Based
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on this information, RCMP updated the Amber alert to include
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a description of the suspected vehicle and the public was
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: asked to watch out for it and report any sightings immediately.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Investigators also began reviewing available surveillance footage from businesses and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: hotels in the area. This is, of course, when they
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: found the CCTV footage showing the white van traveling westbound
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: at approximately three thins one on the morning of the abduction,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: as well as the one recorded earlier in the day
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that also showed a similar van in the area around
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the time of Hanna's murder. Although this connection was not
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: publicly discussed at the time, it was noted by investigators
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and was added to the growing file of evidence. Now,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: as the Amber alert spread, tips began to pour in.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: RCMP dispatch centers received calls from people who thought they
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: had seen similar vehicles on highways and parking lots and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: at rest stops, and of course all of them had
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to be checked out. Search teams were also deployed throughout
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the region. Officers, volunteers, search and rescue personnel checked wooded areas,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: rural roads, abandoned buildings and campsites. Helicopters and areily units
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: had been up in the air to scan remote terrain
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in what would have been very difficult areas to access
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: on foot. The rugged geography of the Crow's Nest Pass
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: made the search especially challenging, as large areas of forest
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and mountain trains surrounded the communities now. Meanwhile, anxiety continued
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to grow amongst the residents. Parents kept their children indoors.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Schools and businesses began discussing safety measures, and many people
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: followed news updates very closely throughout the day and the night.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about this before, but it just dawned
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: on me. Being in a small community too, there would
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: be or you know, places that just have more wilderness
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and stuff. There would be less footage like camera footage, Yeah,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: capturing things.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, definitely one gosh.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Which would make it just so much harder. Hmm okay.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Now, social media also became flooded with posts sharing Haley's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: photo and details of the Amber alert too. This is
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: a place, like you kind of said, it's small town, right,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: so people talk more than like there is news. Really
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: words spreads fast personally in conversations on social media, that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: sort of thing, And that's what's happening here. People are
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: trying to figure this out, spreading any information they could
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and helping in any way they can. Now in Blairmore,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: there was one business that would stand out amongst this case.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: It was called Prestige Cleaners. It was a family owned
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: dry cleaning business that had operated in the community for decades,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and they owned several white commercial vans that were used
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: for deliveries. Now, these vehicles actually matched the description provided
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: by witnesses, including the distinctive antenna mounted on the back.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: The business was owned by brothers Kevin and Larry Siretsky,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: who had taken over operations from their parents after years
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: of working in the family company. Now, as news of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the Amber alerts spread through the town, Kevin and Larry
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: heard descriptions of the van police were looking for, and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: so they went to take a look at the ones
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that they owned, and that's when they realized that one
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of their company vehicles fit the profile almost exactly. This
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: realization prompted them to check their fleet records and inspect
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the vehicles a little more closely. And when they reviewed
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: their logs, they noticed something troubling. One of the vans
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: had been used for deliveries on September eleventh, twenty fifteen,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and it so dominant reading had been recorded at that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: time and was standard practice for the business. When they
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: checked the same van after hearing about the abduction, though,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the odometer showed additional kilometers that could not be explained
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: by any authorized use. Now, the Shiretzki family were very
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: much so aware that Larry Siretzky's son Derek had a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: history of using company vehicles without authorization.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Good for them, though, I just have to say for
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: going and checking and note because and they're still trying
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to figuring this out, knowing that they're going to.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Know like who is involved, Yes, for sure.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So I feel like some business owners would maybe just
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: keep it to themselves potentially, So this is good now.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Derek was twenty two years old at the time. He
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: had worked at Prestige Cleaners for a period but had
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: recently quit. Family members knew that he still had access
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to the building and was familiar with the vehicles, so
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: concerned about what all this could mean, both Kevin and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Larry contacted the RCMP and informed them about the missing
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: van and the unexpected mileage. They also gave investigators permission
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to seize and examine the vehicle as part of the investigation, and,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: as it would turn out, their cooperation provided police with
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: their first solid physical lead.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Good job Now.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: When RCMP forensic teams examined the van using luminol, a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: chemical that reacts with blood and glows under UV light,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: investigators detected multiple bloodstains throughout the interior. Blood was found
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on the steering wheel, door handles, window cranks, light switches,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: floor surfaces, and inside the cargo area. A large smear
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on the floor even contained two bare footprints, suggesting that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: someone had stepped in blood inside the vehicle. Investigators also
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: noticed the floor mats from the rear section of the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: van were missing too.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: At the same time, while this was all happening, Derek's dad,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Larry Suretsky, began noticing changes in his son's behavior. Derek
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: seemed nervous, withdrawn and unwilling to really explain anything, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: during a conversation about the missing child and the ongoing investigation,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Derek even made a statement that immediately alarmed his father.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: He told Larry that Haley was quote in heaven.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: End quote oh shit.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: When pressed for clarification on this, Derek became incoherent and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: began speaking in ways that made little sense. His responses
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: shifted between vague statements to gibberish, and he didn't offer
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: any clear explanation for even what he meant by that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Larry was growing increasingly concerned, and he contacted police again
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and told them that his son had said something disturbing
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and he needed to be questioned.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: This right, there is a reason just like to not
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: have kids, in my opinion, because I don't know if
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I would be able to deal with that.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: That's it's definitely, I mean, that's gonna be so rare.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's a rarity, for sure, but still but.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Even still mean that could be a sibling or an
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: uncle or an aunt, or parents who commit a murder
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: just as easily as it is your own child, I.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Guess, but I just think I would. I don't know.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I would just be like, I'm out, I'm done.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, I can't blame you for that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: By the time investigators finished processing the van, they began
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: focusing their attention directly on Derek. By this point, police
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: even had enough information to actually justify searching his living
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: spaces and examining his personal belongings a lot more closely.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Derek lived in an apartment in Blairmore, located next to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the dry cleaning business. Officers quickly obtained a search warrant
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and entered the residence for any sign of the missing
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: child or evidence that might explain her disappearance. From the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: moment they began searching, it became clear that the apartment
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: contained potential evidence. Investigators noticed what appeared to be blood
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: on the inside doorknob of the front entrance, as well
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: as droplets on the floor or leading into the living room.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Additional stains were found on walls and nearby staircases leading
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: to the second floor. In the upstairs bathroom, police located
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: blood on a cupboard and nearby surfaces. During the search,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: officers also discovered latex gloves that appeared to have blood stains,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: along with a pair of boots that were found to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: have containing human blood on them too. Several tools and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: weapons were also located in the apartment, including a hatchet,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: box cutters, and multiple knives. Police also found books related
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to cannibalism, serial killers, medical anatomy, and violent crime, which
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: were noted and cataloged as part of the investigation.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: He really went out of his way to clean up
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: any evidence, inn't he Not really, No, I'm kidding.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: It seems like he did try and clean, but it
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was sloppy cleaning, Like the inside of the van, there
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: was no obvious signs of blood. It was like you
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: had to use the luminol on that sort of thing.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a good chance that investigators had
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: caught up with him far before he had a chance
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: to continue cleaning. Is possibly a way of looking at it,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: that's true, But either way, there was a lot of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: evidence left behind.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I kind of hope one day, I don't know, this
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: is so morbid, so I apologize, but it would be
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: very interesting to have the opportunity to use that spray lumino. Yeah,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: because you just see that on documentaries and stuff, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: it just like I just imagine the anticipation of like
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: spraying it and wondering what you're gonna find, and then
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden it just fucking lights up, right
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like that would.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Just I don't know, I'd be scary.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It would be scary, but it's kind of interesting in
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the same sense for sure. Now.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Some handwritten materials in the apartment also provided additional insight
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: into derek state of mind too. Investigators recovered a notebook
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: containing a list that include names such as Hannah, Terry, Shy,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and the Hideous Baby, along with phrases such as sleepers
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: for the dogs and medicine Fresh. Of these entries were
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: crossed out. Names of deceased like Terry were crossed out,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: but so were Quote, the Hideous Baby, and Shy. Now
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Shy likely refers to Cheyenne, who was very much so
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: alive and was Haley's mother, But as for the rest, well,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: let's just keep talking.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That's so alarming.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: A calendar was found with handwritten notes including phrases such
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: as set me free and strength written across several dates
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: in early weeks of September twenty fifteen on a coffee
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: table inside the apartment, police found graffiti scrawled across it
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that read one shot, one kill and this is not
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the end. Death is only the beginning.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Investigators searched here, and they also searched the home of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Derek's mother in Coleman. This is where he sometimes stayed,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and in his room they located two hammers, a baseball bat,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and rolled up mats that appeared to be similar to
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the ones in the missing floormats for the van. Needless
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: to say, evidence was mounting fast, and as police continued
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: gathering physical evidence, they also paid close attention to Derek's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: behavior along the way. Family members described him as quiet
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and withdrawn, someone who largely kept to himself. He also
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: had a history of minor criminal charges, though including breaking
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and entering in possession of stolen property, and he was
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: unemployed at the time of the murders. He seemed to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: be a young man who was struggling to find his
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: stability in his life, and by the end of September fifteenth,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: it was obvious to investigators that they were no longer
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: dealing with circumstantial concerns or vague suspicions. Even so, Haley,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the most important piece of the puzzle while she currently
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: had still not been found. Now, while investigators were processing
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: all the evidence and building the case and searching for Haley,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: an unexpected development was unfolding. A new lead came in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: from another member of Derek's family who had noticed something
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: disturbing on some private property. It was on September fifteenth
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: when Shane Suretsky, Derrek's cousin, returned to a family owned
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: ranch property near the Crow's Nest passed after being away
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: for several days. The property had been used by members
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of the Suretzky family for camping, hunting, and recreational purposes
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: for years. It was remote, surrounded by trees and very
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: rugged terrain, and rarely visited by anyone outside the family.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: When Shane arrived at the site, he noticed something that
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: almost immediately struck him as wrong. Near one of the campsites,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: a fire pit appeared to have been recently used, which
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: was unusual. There was no one who was supposed to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: have been there staying at the ranch at that time.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: The fire pit even still contained warm ashes and freshly
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: burnt debris, suggesting the fire had been burning there not
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: long before he had arrived, and as he looked closer
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that the remains of the fire, Shane noticed something in
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the ashes, something that didn't resemble ordinary treeh being burned
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: or would. Amongst the burnt material, he saw what appeared
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to be small bones and pieces of fabric. Given the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: ongoing search for Haley in the widespread media coverage, Shane
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: immediately thought about the possibility of what that fire pit
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: could contain, and rather than disturbing anything, he immediately contacted authorities.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: RCMP officers were dispatched to the ranch and arrived shortly
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: after receiving the call. Now, while all this was going down,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Derek was being held for questioning in relation to Terry's
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: death and Hailey's disappearance. By this point, police had already
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: gathered substantial physical evidence linking him to the case, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: they still needed to establish exactly what had happened.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: During interviews with RCMP investigators, Derek initially well. He stated
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: things that were inconsistent and very difficult to follow. He
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: gave vague answers, changed deep tails repeatedly, and sometimes spoken
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: ways that didn't seem connect did to the questions he
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: was even being asked. At times, he claimed that he'd
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: been influenced by voices or supernatural forces. In other moments,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he suggested that he had acted under the control of
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the devil. It was very clear that Derek was suffering
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: from some sort of mental struggles, but investigators worked carefully
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: with him and the questioning continued. Now, Derek gradually began
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: to break down and in tears. At one point, with
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: an investigator kneeling in front of him encouraging him to speak,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: he acknowledged his involvement in the crimes. He admitted that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: he entered Terry Blanchette's home during the night of September fourteenth,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: using forced entry to gain access. According to his statements,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: he attacked Terry with a blunt object later identified as
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a crowbar, and then he proceeded to slit his throat.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: After killing Terry, he abducted Hailey from the home and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: placed her in the white van belonging to Prestige Cleaners.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Derek told investigators that he drove Hailey to the family
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: owned ranch property in the Crow's Nest pass. He described
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: taking her to a campsite that he was familiar with
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: from previous visits. But the thing is he didn't just
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: tell them. Investigators asked him to lead them to the site,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and he did exactly that. They arrived at the property
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: where police were already beginning to investigate the scene from
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the tip off from Derek's cousin. There, he walked them
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: through the property and stopped next to the fire pit,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: looking at the smoldering embers. He said there he had
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: built a fire and next admitted to killing Haley by
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: strangling her to death. Afterwards, he said he dismembered her
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: body there by the fire, collected her blood in a
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: plastic container, and burned her remains, And there he stood
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: next to the flames as they were burning Haley's body,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and Derek admitted to drinking her blood in order to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: gain a little bit of her energy. He also explained
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that he had returned to his apartment after the crimes
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and attempted to clean himself up as well as his belongings.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: As part of his confession, Derek also described the weapons
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: he had used, and throughout the whole time, Derek appeared
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: detached and unemotional. At other times he became very agitated
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: or spoke in those religious or symbolic type languages, speaking
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: just talking about God and the devil and being controlled
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in what they were doing. It wasn't him, it was them,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and investigators documented these changes very carefully, very aware that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: his mental state would certainly become a very important issue
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: in court proceedings. By the end of the interviews, police
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: had obtained a detailed account of how Derek had moved
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: from Terry's home to the ranch property, and what he
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: had done at each location, and how he had attempted
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: to cover up his actions.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, it takes her breath away. It's like a gut
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: punch what he did to that sweet, sweet little baby.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It's disgusting in so many ways. Yeah, I can't believe.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: And then he sat there as she's burning, drinking her blood.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: That makes me want to fucking throw up.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I say this almost every episode. It doesn't seem like
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that could be true. How on earth could someone actually
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: fucking do that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna quote you directly. I can't even fathom this,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: or can't even fathom someone doing that. Yeah, the word fathom.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just brings tears to my eyes.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: That someone is just that, Like we live among people
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that pure evil.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't get me wrong, Derek's responsible. Derek did this,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: but clearly he's suffering in certain ways on his own.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: That too, on its own, is scary as shit.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that whatever is going on there killed a
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: little innocent baby, well two years old, still pretty much
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: a baby. And the dad, Yeah, like, what the actual
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: shit is happening in this scut.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It's beyond fucked now. The investigator secured the entire property,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: of course, when he was arrived in telling them and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: showing this by the fire police were already there securing
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the property, and they began a careful examination of the
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: fire pit and surrounding campsite. Forensic specialists were brought in
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: to collect any potential evidence and documented the scene in details.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: And as investigators sifted through the ashes, which were still warm,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: one investigator reportedly even burning his hand collecting pieces out
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of the fire, their fears were confirmed. They recovered several
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: bone fragments that appeared to be from a child. They
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: recovered pieces of burned clothing and other materials that suggested
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: human remains had been present in the fire. Forensic teams
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: worked for hours to collect every fragment that they could teeth,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: rib bones, femurs, broken pieces. They recovered everything. Now, police
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: still hadn't made a public announcement about the discovery. They
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: first needed to confirm the identity of the remains through
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: forensic testing and notify Hailey's family before releasing any information. However,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: unfortunately DNA testing was not available through these bones, they
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: were burnt far too much and they could not confirm
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the identity of Haley. However, through the confession through Derek
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: leading them there, they were able to confidently say that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it was in fact her.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Gosh, it must have just been like a roaring fire.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Hey, it would have been large, yes, But as it
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sat right now, as far as the public knew, there
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: was the possibility still that Haley was alive, but it
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: was looking grim. More than twenty four hours had passed
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and many people were beginning to fear that Haley would
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: not be found alive. That didn't mean that they didn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: hold out for any hope. Hundreds of residents gathered that
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: night for a candlelight vigil, hoping for good news and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: showing support for the family. The vigil took place in Baltimore,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: not far from Terry Blanchett's home. Community members brought candles, flowers,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and handwritten messages. Parents stood with their children, neighbors stood
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: with neighbors and strangers comforted one another. Shortly after nine pm,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: RCMP Victims Services representatives arrived at the vigil looking for
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Haley's mother. It was there that they informed her and
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Hailey's family that they had located her remains earlier that
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: day at her rural property near Blairmore words spread quietly
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: through the crowd, and within minutes almost everyone was in tears.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Gosh, what a terrible announcement to have to make it
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: her vigil, I know, right, heartbreaks. I mean, there would
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: probably be no time, no good time to ever have
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: to make that announcement. But still, that just seems like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it is a frickin' hammer across your face. Really, Like
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: that's terrible.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you do? Do you do it at
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the vigil? Do it after the vigil? Do you do
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it when they're quietly sitting at home, like trying to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: go to bed. Do you do it in the morning
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: when they've likely not slept all night and they're probably
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: contacting more people or looking or doing things, putting up posters,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: missing posters.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: When I mean, they would have had like a lot
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of support at that time, right for sure?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: And you're right, like, when is the good time. So yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it's hard work, but I mean they're there to do it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad that there are, you know le those
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: people to do that job, because it's not going to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: be an easy one, no now. Later that same evening,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: RCMP Superintendent Tony Hamori held immediate briefing to confirm what
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: they had already feared. At apparent approximately ten pm, he
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: announced the body of two year old Haley Dunbarblench had
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: been found in a rural location near Blairmore. He explained
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that the discovery had been made during a police search
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: based on information obtained through the investigation, that the scene
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: had been secured and forensic teams were processing the area.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: He also confirmed that the public was no longer being
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: asked to look for a white van and that the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Amber alert had officially been called off. At the same time,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he made it very clear that many details would not
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: be released immediately, as the investigation was still ongoing and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: charges had not yet been finalized. At that point. He
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: did say a male suspect who had been arrested earlier
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in the day remained in police custody and was being questioned.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He said his identity would be made public Once those
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: formal charges were officially laid, and for Haley's mother, Cheyenne Dunbar,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: and for Terry's family, the announcement marked the end of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: any remaining hope that she would be returned safely. Within hours,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: messages of sympathy began appearing online and in local memorials.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Flowers and stuffed animals were placed near Terry's home and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: in public spaces throughout the region. On September sixteenth, twenty fifteen,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: RCMP formally charged Derek Seretsky with two counts of first
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: degree murder in the death of Terry Blanchette and Haley
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Dunbar Blanchett. Police stated that they believed the murders had
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: been planned, and his identity was released to public for
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the first time, ending days of speculation. Now, while Derek
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: had provided a general account of what he claimed had happened,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: police could not rely on his statements alone. Every detail
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: needed to be verified independently, and forensic teams conducted an
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: extensive examination of everything they could. They found that the
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: blood found in the home, the van on tools, and
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: items in Derek's home were consistent with both Terry and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Haley's DNA. Scientific evidence removed any doubt that the crimes
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: were connected and committed by the same person. Now, while
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: all of this had come to lights, another question began
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to be asked. Five days before Terry was murdered and
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Haley was kidnapped and murdered, a sixty nine year old
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: woman named Hannah MacTech had been found dead in her
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: home in Coleman and nearby community in the Crow's Nest past.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: At the time, her death had been treated as a
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: separate case with no obvious connection to anyone or anything,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But now the question was could Derek be responsible for
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: this as well? Now, Hannah lived alone and was known
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: in the community as quiet and an independent woman. But
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: she had strong personality and according to people who knew her,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: she was not easily intimidated, and on the morning of
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: September ninth, twenty fifteen, she was found dead in her
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: home after neighbors became concerned and contacted police. Officers who
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: responded discovered that she had been violently attacked, and an
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: autopsy later revealed that Hannah had suffered five blunt force
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: injuries to the head and two stab wounds to the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: neck and superficial cutzecaw across her throat. Now, the combination
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of blunt force and sharp force injuries immediately suggested the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: attack had been personal or very intense at the very least,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and at first police had few solid leads when this occurred. However,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: when Terry was found murdered and Hailey disappeared on September fourteenth,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: resources were immediately redirected because finding a missing child while
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: it became top priority, and so Hannah's murder investigation was
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: put on hold. But after Derek was arrested and her
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: remains were discovered, while the team returned to Hannah's case
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: with a fresh perspective, the similarities between the two scenes
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: stood out almost immediately. Terry had been beaten and stabbed,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Hannah had been beaten and stabbed. Both attacks involved extreme violence,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: and both appeared to have been carried out by someone
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: willing to take very significant risks. A major breakthrough in
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the potential correlation came on September twenty fourth, when officers
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: reviewed a photograph taken inside Derek's apartment. The photo showed
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: a handwritten list, a handwritten list that we already talked about.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: It said, medicine fresh. It followed several crossed out entries,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: and among them were the names of Hannah, Terry, and
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: quote the Hideous Baby, which investigators were believed referred to Haley.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: This indicated that Derek was in fact responsible for Hannah's
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: death too, and that he had been thinking about his
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: victims ahead of time, and that may he may be
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: you know what, tracking his actions for investigators. This document
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: was one of the strongest pieces of evidence tying him
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to all three of the killings. The police also learned
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that Hannah lived next door to Derek's grandparents, which placed
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: him in close proximity to her home and gave him
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: reason to be in the area without raising any sort
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of suspicion. During later interviews, Derek would ultimately admit to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: killing Hannah as well. He told police he broke into
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: her home, struck her with a baseball bat, and stabbed her,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and when he was asked directly whether this murder was
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: kind of a practice for whatever he was going to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: do later to Terry and Haley, he replied that it was.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: He directly acknowledged that he'd used his first killing to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: build confidence for others.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, that is just so hard to hear that he
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: murdered her to practice like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I know, well, even if you look, there was superficial
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: cuts across her neck, almost like he's seeing what sort
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: of pressure he needs to apply to cut a throat.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: And then when it comes to Terry, he was successful
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: because he knew a little more how to do it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I am not okay. That is just
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: not okay.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Perhaps he even went and got a sharper knife. Perhaps
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: he sharpened his knife because the other one just wasn't
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: good enough. So he realized what he was doing, how
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: he needed to do it, got ready and executed it
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: properly the next time. And when I say properly, I
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: mean properly in his own fucked up mind.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. I don't know if you're going to say
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: something about this too, but I I remember hearing something
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: about Terry had like given him a dirty look or
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: something that he perceived that he had given him a
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: dirty look at one point.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I don't really go over that because that's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: kind of it's so gray, but that is essentially his
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: reasoning for targeting them. Yes, he knew Cheyenne, who was
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Hailey's mother and Terry's ex a long time ago, and
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: he had seen them in town, Terry in town or something,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and thought that Terry had given him a dirty look,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: So then he was angry towards him and just decided
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: to murder him.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Gosh, which is so messed up. I bet you anything.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Terry didn't even He was probably just busy or thinking
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: about something, or thinking about Oh man, I forgot to
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: get milk or something, or maybe.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It's like a is that guy familiar I might recognize?
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Who knows? Right?
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Gosh, the reasoning behind these killings is just.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: One of the most absurd motives I've ever heard.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Now, In April twenty sixteen, Derek was formally charged with
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: first degree murder in Hannah's death as well.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: In the weeks following his arrest, Derek Siretzky's behavior became
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a major concern for both investigators and court officials. Correctional
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: staff and medical professionals were tasked with monitoring his physical
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: and mental condition inside custody, and almost immediately questions began
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to arise about his stability. Then, on September twenty third,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, just one week after he was charged with
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: two counts of first degree murder, his mental state took
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a turn. Derek was rushed from the Lethbridge Correctional Center
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to hospital after suffering a medical emergency. Sources later reported
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: that he had attempted to take his own life while
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: left alone to shower. He was found by guards and
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: transported to Chinook Regional Hospital, where doctors placed him in
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a medically induced coma and for a couple days, his
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: condition remained uncertain, but on September twenty fifth, officials confirmed
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that he had been brought out of the coma and
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was recovering under medical supervision. He was eventually returned to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: custody once doctors determined he was physically stable. Now during
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: this period, reports emerged that Derek had lost a significant
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: amount of weight and appeared increasingly withdrawn. Correctional staff noticed
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: changes in behavior, including long periods of isolation and limited
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: communication with others. Now, As the case moved forward, defense
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: lawyers began raising concerns about whether Derek was mentally fit
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: to stand trial, and soon the court ordered him to
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: go for a thirty day psychiatric assessment. The goal was
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: determined whether he understood the charges against him and could
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: meaningfully participate in his defense. Psychiatrists evaluated Derek over several weeks,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: reviewing his medical history, interviewing him directly, and observing his
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: behavior and custody. During these assessments, he continued to reinforce
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: these religious and supernatural explanations for his actions, repeated peated
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: claims that he'd been influenced by the devil or directed
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: by God. He also spoke about having stopped taking prescribed
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: antipsychotic medications before the killings as well. It was heavy stuff,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and the doctors requested the assessment period be extended for
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: another thirty days, to which the judge approved. Ultimately, on
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, the court ruled that Derek
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: was in fact mentally fit to stand trial. Medical experts
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: concluded that despite his disturbing statements and past medical health issues,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: he understood the nature of the proceedings and was capable
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: of working with lawyers now. Although he was deemed fit,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: questions about his mental states still did not disappear during interviews.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: In later testimony, he continued to shift blame towards those
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: outside forces rather than fully accepting his responsibility. At times
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: he expressed regret. At other times, he minimalized his actions
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: or spoke in detached symbolic language. Prosecutors would later argue
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that these patterns reflected attempts to avoid accountability rather than
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: genuine psychological impairment.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: That's so interesting because just you know, sitting here listening
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: to this, I would not have thought he would be fit,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: stand fit, like he drank the blood of a child
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: and stuff. He doesn't seem like he as well. But
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: then he also could, like you're saying here, being playing
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: into that, which is really messed up.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not so much that he's playing into it.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: It's that, yeah, he's messed up, but he still understands
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: what he did. He still understands the consequences. He still
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: understands what the trial and the defense and the prosecution
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: is all about. He understands it. Okay, he's saying, I
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: get it. It wasn't me. The devil did it. The
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: devil made me do it. I had no control, but
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I totally know what's going on.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: He's coherent's he's there, he understands, he's rational, but there's
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it's like a flip side to him where it's almost
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: like he's getting possessed. I mean he's not, but it's
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: like he's getting possessed, and that possession is making him
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: say and do things gosh and act in ways and
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like an extreme bipolar and extreme
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: situation of schizophrenia something along those lines. Those are not diagnoses.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Those are just kind of examples I'm trying to share
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: to kind of put that perspective on it. It's like there's
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: two sides to the coin, and no matter what side
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: he's on, he at least understands what's going on around him.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: To just listen to someone though, hey, that's speaking that
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: way would be I don't know, very alarming.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Oh this sends a chill up my spine thinking about
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: it now, regardless of whatever he said.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: After nearly two years of investigations, forensic testing, psychiatric evaluations,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: and legal motions, Derek Suatzky's trial finally began in the
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: spring of twenty seventeen. Proceedings started in Lethbridge in early May,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: with pre trial hearings injury selections taking place before testimony
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: he officially began, but by the end of the month,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a jury had been seated and the trial moved into
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: its main face. Now from the onset, it was clear
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that the case would be emotionally difficult for everyone involved,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: and prosecutors warned durors that they would be presented with
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: very disturbing evidence, including crime scene photographs, forensic reports, and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: video recordings of Derek's own statements. The Crown's case focused
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: on building a detailed chronological account of how the three
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: murders unfolded. Prosecutors presented evidence beginning with the death of Hannahmacatech.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry almost got her name wrong there. It's a difficult
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: name to pronounce, so and on September ninth, twenty fifteen,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: followed by the murder of Terry Blanchette and the abduction
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: of Haley on September fourteenth, saying that the killings were
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: not isolated incidents, but more so instead part of a pattern. Now,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: one of the most significant pieces of evidence john in
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: court was video of Derek's police interviews and is recorded
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: reenactment at the Rant property.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: The footage was played in court under strict conditions, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: several jurors were visibly distressed, and at times proceedings were
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: even paused to allow them time to recover. Medical experts
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: also testified about the injuries suffered by the victims. Pathologists
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: described the extent of Terry's wounds, including multiple blunt force
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: injuries and several cuts to his neck. In Hannah's case,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: doctors explained how she'd been struck and stabbed, likely while
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: trying to defend herself. Because of the condition of Haley's remains,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: a precise cause of death could not be determined, but
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: evidence supported Derek's confession that she had in fact been strangled.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: What evidence that is I could not find, but apparently
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: quote unquote evidence supported it now. RCMP forensic specialists presented
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: detail findings from the crime scene too and Derek's apartment.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: They explained how blood pattern showed Terry had been attacked
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: in his bed, dragged through his house and dena. Evidence
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: linked Haley's blood to Derek's boots, and there were traces
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: of blood on the door handle's floor, clothing, and more,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: which all helped establish his movements after the murders. Investigators
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: also testified about the discovery of the handwritten list in
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Derek's apartment. The crown argued that the list showed planning
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: intent and supported the charge of first degree murder. Family
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: members and friends of the victims were called to testify
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: as well. Cheyenne Dunbar described her relationship with Terry, their
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: shared custody agreement, and her past friendship with Derek. She
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: told the court that she had not been in contact
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: with him for years and had never suspected he was
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: capable of violence. Terry's relatives and friends spoke about his
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: dedication as a father and his efforts to build a
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: stable life for Haley. The defense, on the other hand,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: didn't dispute that Derek had committed the killings. There was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: too much evidence not to mention his recorded confessions. Their
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: strategy instead focused on his mental state now in the courtroom.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Derek's lawyers argued that his history of mental illness, medication issues,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: and unusual beliefs affected his ability to form intent. They
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: suggested that he had been experiencing psychological deterioration in the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: weeks leading up to the crimes. Psychiatrists and psychologists were
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: both called on both sides to discuss Derek's mental health.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Some experts acknowledged that he had struggled with mental illness.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Others testified that despite this, he still understood his actions
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and their consequences. Throughout the trial, Derek remained mostly quiet.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: He rarely showed visible emotion and often avoided eye contact
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: with witnesses. Observers noted that there were moments when he
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: appeared very detached and others when he seemed to follow
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the testimony extremely closely. By the time the closing arguments approached,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: jurors had reviewed weeks of testimony, hundreds of exhibits, and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: hours of recorded footage, and in late June of twenty seventeen,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: the jury was given its final instructions by Justice William
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Tilleman and sent out to deliberate. After approximately only three hours,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: the jury returned to the courtroom with its verdict. Derrek
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Sretzki was found guilty on all counts of first degree
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: murder for the death of Hannah MaCTec, for the death
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: of Terry Blanchett and the death of Hailey Dunbar Blanchett,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: as well as one more account of committing an indignity
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to a dead body in relation to the cannibalism of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Hailey Dunbar Blanchett. Following the verdict, the court moved to
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: the sentencing phase. Because first degree murder in Canada carries
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a mandatory life sentence, the main issue before the judge
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: was whether that period of parole ineligibility would be served
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: consecutively with each case. Now at the time, the law
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: allowed judges to stack parole ineligibility periods for multiple murders,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: meaning an offender could be required to serve far more
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: than twenty five years before ever receiving eligibility for parole.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Before sentencing was imposed, Victim impact statements were read in court.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: These statements gave family members and loved ones an opportunity
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: to describe how the crimes had affected their lives. Cheyenne
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Dunbar spoke about the loss of her daughter and the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: permanent change that it had caused. She told the court
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: that grief, anxiety, and depression had become daily struggles. She
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: told them how every milestone Haley would ever have reached
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: would forever remind her of what had been taken from her.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Terry's sister, Amanda Blanchett, addressed the court as well. She
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: said that Derek had stolen not just one life, but
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the future of an entire family. She spoke about the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: pain of losing her brother and the horror of knowing
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: what her niece had to endure. Friends and relatives of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Hannah MaCTec also, while he submitted some statements One close
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: friend described how Hannah's death had shattered the sense of
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: safety in the community and left lasting emotional scars. She
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: told the court that forgiveness was in in the face
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: of such violence. When it was time for sentencing, Justice
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Tillman addressed the court. He stated that Derek had shown
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: no regard for human life, community standards, or the rule
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: of law. He described the crimes as terrible and incomprehensible,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: and emphasized the lasting harm that they had caused. The
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: judge imposed three life sentences to be served consecutively, and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: he ordered that Derek would not be eligible to apply
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: for parole for a total of seventy five years, effectively
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: ensuring that he would never be released.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Dang, dang, that's a good sentence.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: The sentence was one of the harshest available in Canada
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: at the time. With sentencing complete, Derek was formally transferred
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: to a feder a federal prison system sorry to begin
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: serving his life sentence. But like many people convicted of
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: serious crimes, he of course exercised his right to appeal
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: both his conviction and his sentence. About a month after
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the verdict, his legal team filed formal appeals arguing that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: there were errors that had been made during the trial
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: that the censing imposed was in was unconstitutional. One of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: the main arguments raised by the defense focused on the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: consecutive parole ineligibility periods. Defense lawyers argued that such a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: sentence amounted to cruel and unusual punishment and violated the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They claimed that denying
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: any realistic chance a parole removed incentives for rehabilitation and
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: stripped inmates of hope for eventual reintegration into society. The
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Alberta Court of Appeal reviewed those arguments, and in November
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty they dismissed the appeal and upheld both
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: his convictions and his sentence. However, the legal landscape shifted
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty two. That year, the Supreme Court
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: of Canada ruled that the provisions allowing judges to impose
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: consecutive periods of parole ineligibility from multiple murders was in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: fact unconstitutional. The court determined that such sentences violated the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Charter because they eliminated any meaningful possibility for parole of life.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: As a result of this decision, individuals who had received
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: stacked parole ineligibility periods became eligible to apply for parole
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: after serving twenty five years, regardless of the number of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: murders they had committed. The ruling applied retroactively, affecting cases
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: across the country, including Derek's. And that decision makes my
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: stomach turn.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Well, that is so messed up because then it just
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: like doesn't even matter how many people you kill, really.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Correct, because you are allowed to apply for parole after
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: twenty five years, So.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Matter what, Yeah, if you freaking kill one person or
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: you killed ten, it's like you get you can apply
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: for parole at the same fucking time.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Just messed up, which means honestly, like in this case,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Derek can apply for parole after twenty five years, but
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I do have to state approval is not automatic and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: many applicants are denied repeatedly, Yes.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Which is good, and I feel like he would be denied.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope so many times.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I would think.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Now, for the families of Terry, Haley and Hannah, that
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: really meant that, beginning in early twenty forties, they could
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: be required to relive the case every two years. If
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Derek chose to apply for parole. Each hearing would involve
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: reviewing the crimes, submitting statements, and confronting the possibility of
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: his eventual release. Victim advocates and family members across Canada
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: criticized the decision, arguing that it placed additional emotional burden
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: on those already affected by violent crimes. And I wholeheartedly
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: agree with that.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's punishing them. I also think every two
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: years is unreasonable. Yes, I think that should be changed
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: to say every five.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Actually, you're right. You know what, if
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: you have I'm going to go out on a limb
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and say this, if you receive one murder sentence, you
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: get a parole of twenty five years. Maybe after that,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, because there's so many situations, right, and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: so maybe in that situation you get every two maybe,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: but if you are killing multiple it should definitely not
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: be too. If they're bringing it down to twenty five,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking even twenty five and then every ten for parole.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because imagine even just changing that, that would save
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of money in people's time. It would because
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: two years two years is I am going to say
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: it again, unreasonable. It's not very much time.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: And exactly as you said too. There's almost no difference
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: now in serving a sentence of if you kill one
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: verse a dozen, yeah, which is bonkers. So you need
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: to create a system where that balances out if you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: want to level the playing field on the you know what,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: maybe one day I can rehabilitate, maybe one day I
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: can get out. Sure, do that, but you still need
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to account for the severity of their fucking crimes and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: how long they will spend behind bars. Yes, you want
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: to give them the parole, give them the fucking parole,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: but limit their fucking parole.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my god, damn it. Limited.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm getting I'm getting fucking angry. I'm starting to swear,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: so I'm getting angry. Anyways, regardless of the parle and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: legal decisions, the case is closed for now, and life
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: in the Crow's Ness past slowly began to return to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: something resembling normal for residents of Blairmore, Coleman and the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: surrounding communities. However, the events of twenty fifteen left a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: lasting mark. The murders in the search for Haley had
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: drawn national attention to a region that was normally quiet
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: and close knit for many people who lived there. The
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: sense of safety had been taken for granted and was
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: permanently altered. In the months and years following the case,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: community members made deliberate efforts to focus on healing rather
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: than the violence itself. One of the most visible examples
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: of this was the creation of a playground and park
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: in Blairmore named in Haley Dunbar Blanchette's memory, built through
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: volunteer labor, labor and local fundrais seeing the park was
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: meant to honor her life, becoming a place where families
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: could gather and children could play, offering a small measure
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: of hope in the aftermath of tragedy. Public memorials and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: private acts of remembrance continue as well. Vigils, anniversary gatherings,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and charitable efforts help keep the victim's names present in
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: the community without turning them into a symbol of fear.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Residents often speak about the importance of remembering Terry as
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: a devoted father and Hannah as a kind and generous
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: neighbor who ain't going to take no shit from nobody's
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: sort of attitude because fuck yeah, I love that, And
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: rather than defining them only by their deaths, they're remembering
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: them for Cheyenne Dunbar. Hailey's mother life after the case
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: involved rebuilding in the face of overwhelming loss. In interviews
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: following the trial, she spoke openly about the long term
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: effects of grief, anxiety, and depression. Losing her daughter so
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: suddenly and violently reshaped every aspect of her life. While
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: she largely withdrew public attention later in the years, her
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: testimony and statement during the trial reflected the depth of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: her commitment to preserving Haley's memory. Terry Blanchette's family also
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: continued to navigate life without him. His sister, parents and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: extended relatives worked to keep his role as a loving
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: father at the center of how he was remembered. Friends
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: and former co workers frequently described him as someone who
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: had been trying to improve his life and focus on
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: his daughter, a narrative that stood in contrast to the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: violence that ended it. In Coleman, Hannah Macatac's absence was
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: felt deeply among longtime residents and friends. She'd been a
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: very familiar presence in town, and her death highlighted the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: vulnerability of elderly people living alone. Neighbours became more tentative
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: to one another and informal support networks grew stronger in response.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: More than anything, though, the lasting legacy of the story
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: in Crow's Nest Past is tied to the people who
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: were law Ust, Terry, Hannah, and Haley are all remembered
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: not for the violence inflicted on them, but for the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: lives they lived within their families and communities. The story,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: when followed from beginning to end, shows us how an
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: ordinary place was disrupted by extraordinary harm, how three people
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: were brutally killed, but it also shows how tragedy can
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: be turned into remembrance. All three victims are gone, and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: another family lost their son to his actions and now
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: he's sitting behind bars. Yet their loved ones all still
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: hold on to their memories. They remember, they celebrate, and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: in some cases, thanks to their beliefs, they wait for
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: the day they get to see them and embrace them
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: once again in another life. And that's the story of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Derek Suretzky.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: That one is just so maddening.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: It's very frustrating, to say the least two it is
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: because there's.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: Just absolutely no point to any of that. It's fricking
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: sucks that it.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Happened, for sure, And I did kind of say it
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: at the end. But even Derek's family, like, they're grieving
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: heavily for what their son did, for what they lost
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: their son. Not only that, but it was the family
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: who turned him in.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they had to make that choice, the right choice,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: but that would not have been easy.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: No. Now, don't get me wrong, He's still alive. But
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the other three unfortunately or not, but they did lose
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: their son too.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: He's not alive in the same way. Yes, And I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: didn't know about the playground that they made. That is
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: that is one of the most awesome memorials I think
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard of. Isn't it for a child? Hey?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: That is really great.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. Anyways, I don't think I want
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: to talk a whole lot about this one after the fact.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: It's fucking sucked. I Derek is one hundred percent responsible.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I think I've made it very clear before my views
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: on people with mental health issues committing murders. You still
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: fucking did it. You should still be behind bars. I
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: hope you get rehabilitated though, but you should still be
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: behind fucking bars. So yeah, I'm gonna leave it at that.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: How about you.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone just needs a little bit of
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know, to deflate a little bit right after
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: this one, Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:14:26
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• 1:14:29
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• 1:14:32
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• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: other people, you know what, look at the podcast think hey,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I might want to listen to that too, So if
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you don't us, If you don't, though, that's cool too.
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  Speaker 1: We just appreciate you being here, so thank you, and
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  Speaker 1: of course, until next
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  Speaker 2: Time, stay wicked.