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Shock! MISSING MOM-OF-5 JENNIFER DULOS 'MURDER KNIFE' SWAPPED FOR CRACK? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a mother of five missing
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Speaker 1: from the Tony area of New Haven, and this is
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Speaker 1: what we know. She Jennifer Dulos, drops her children off
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Speaker 1: at school. She's never seen again. Her car found abandoned
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Speaker 1: in the last hours is a bloody knife, possibly linked
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Speaker 1: to her case. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Now, I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: who's probably sweating this one out, and that is her husband,
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Speaker 1: Fotus Dulos, who was under suspicion in the case. But
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Speaker 1: just you know, it's never easy, never easy, because if
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Speaker 1: this knife is actually connected to the murder of mother
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Speaker 1: of five Jennifer Dulos, oh no, no, no no. I
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Speaker 1: don't know where the knife is. Because if this is
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Speaker 1: a knife linked to Jennifer's a murder, I hope you're
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Speaker 1: sitting down. The knife, the alleged murder weapon, has been
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Speaker 1: traded for crack cocaine. But you didn't see that coming.
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Speaker 1: A Hartford man claims he found a knife and a
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Speaker 1: bloody pillow nears some trash cans, trash cans where we
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Speaker 1: already know evidence and the Jennifer Dulo's disappearance was recovered,
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Speaker 1: but that he traded the knife for a five rock.
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Speaker 1: A five rock that is, a five dollar piece of
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Speaker 1: crack cocaine. The man, who has not been identified because
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Speaker 1: he might turn out to be a witness, claims he
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Speaker 1: was rumaging through a trash can just a few days
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Speaker 1: after Jennifer goes missing when he spots a blue and
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Speaker 1: white striped pillow. Now that's significant. Ken a blue and
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Speaker 1: white striped patterned pillow be matched up to the other
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Speaker 1: pillows in Jennifer's home. If so, maybe this guy's telling
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Speaker 1: the truth. Anyway, he says, I can't believe this. He
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Speaker 1: says he spots a blue and white striped pillow, and
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Speaker 1: after he takes out of the trash he noticed it
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Speaker 1: was soaked in blood. Now, the guy says, quote, it
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Speaker 1: was about a quart of blood on the pillow all
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Speaker 1: over it. I tell you, whoever got hurt got hurt
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Speaker 1: real bad. I looked underneath and there was a knife
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Speaker 1: under there. He wanted some crack, and he said he
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Speaker 1: traded the knife to a dope dealer named Fudge. Fudge
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Speaker 1: as in the candy. He says, quote, I put the
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Speaker 1: knife in my pocket for some reason. I was thinking stupid.
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Speaker 1: I was on crack. I wanted to hit so bad.
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Speaker 1: I was looking for somebody to sell me some crack. Oh.
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Speaker 1: Now we're hearing from sources that told the Current Paper
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Speaker 1: local paper that this guy was actually caught on video
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Speaker 1: removing items from that area the weekend Dulos went missing.
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Speaker 1: The trash kim where the knife and pillow were allegedly
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Speaker 1: discovered and foraged is on the same street where Dulos
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Speaker 1: is strained. Husband photo Dulos was seen throwing bags into
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Speaker 1: the trash Kids whoa husband also caught slipping a FedEx
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Speaker 1: package into a storm drain. Now, if you see my husband,
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Speaker 1: David Lynch cramming something down a storm drain, please go
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Speaker 1: get it. Cops did, and they when they fished it out,
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Speaker 1: it was a doctored license plate from a car Fotus
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Speaker 1: Dulos once owned. Now, so far the husband Fotus Dulos
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Speaker 1: and his girlfriend, of course there's a girlfriend. But shel
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Speaker 1: Chaconis have been charged with hindering the prosecution and tampering
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Speaker 1: with evidence. But what about this knife? After interviewing the
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Speaker 1: guy who says he found the knife, police searched Albany
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Speaker 1: Avenue and they found a bloody vineyard vine shirt they
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Speaker 1: believe Jennifer was wearing the day she disappeared. They also
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Speaker 1: recover her bra, sponges, and other cleaning items that test
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Speaker 1: positive for Jennifer's DNA. How are we ever going to
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Speaker 1: track down that knife? Wow? How in the world did
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Speaker 1: we get here? Her family says she was quote afraid
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Speaker 1: for her life and that she was a quote nervous
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Speaker 1: wreck after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos,
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Speaker 1: her husband of thirteen years. Now. According to police, over
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Speaker 1: thirty items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found
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Speaker 1: on a four mile stretch in Connecticut that DNA apparently
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Speaker 1: matching up to Jennifer Dulos. But according to the husband's lawyers,
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Speaker 1: that the missing mom, Jennifer Dulos writes a Gone Girls
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Speaker 1: style novel, and as you will recall, the Gone Girl
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Speaker 1: movie hit movie was all about a wife that staged
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Speaker 1: her own disappearance and return. Long story short straight out
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Speaker 1: to Radar Online dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me, Alexis about this missing mom
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos writing a Gone Girl style novel. So her
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Speaker 1: estranged husband's attorney is claiming this. He said without some
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Speaker 1: goo goo u to him. He said he they were
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Speaker 1: given a dark, dark novel that Jennifer had allegedly written,
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Speaker 1: and they said that it was a Gone Girl's style book.
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Speaker 1: What that means is it's a wife who fakes her
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Speaker 1: death and frames her husband for the death by leading
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Speaker 1: blood evidence in the house. And that's what they're saying.
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Speaker 1: That they have found this book that she They say
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Speaker 1: that she wrote this is missing, mother of five, five
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Speaker 1: children at home and she writes a book about taking
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Speaker 1: her death and then all of a sudden, her husand's
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Speaker 1: attorney has this book. The husband's lawyer also claims that she,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, has had a history of disappearing. What do
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Speaker 1: you know about that? This is what this attorney has
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Speaker 1: said that she's had a history of disappearing. But her
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Speaker 1: family says that this isn't true. She has five kids,
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Speaker 1: she's a devoted mother. She has been fighting in court
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Speaker 1: for full custody of these kids. Everyone who knows there
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Speaker 1: says that this isn't true. Yeah, Alexa's According to husband
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Speaker 1: fotus lawyer, Jennifer wrote a five hundred page Gone Girl's
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Speaker 1: style script many years ago, and he is now claiming
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Speaker 1: she had a quote troubled path end quote struggled with
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Speaker 1: drugs her whole life. That's interesting because he's had five
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Speaker 1: children with her, and I don't recall him ever calling
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Speaker 1: de facts or causing any disturbance about the mom using drugs,
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Speaker 1: or ever having any problem leaving his children alone with her. Nope,
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Speaker 1: none whatsoever. This is according to her families, coming from
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere, that these are really dirty tactics to
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Speaker 1: blame a victim, and they've never heard of any of this,
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Speaker 1: and this novel that she wrote. She is a New
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Speaker 1: York University NYU graduate in literature and she loves to write.
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Speaker 1: Is what her mom had said, So this is just
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Speaker 1: an old story that she wrote. Now, according to Jennifer's
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Speaker 1: loved ones, they say she was afraid for her life
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Speaker 1: and was a nervous wreck. Their lawyers claim that this
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Speaker 1: suggestion that she had written a gone girl novel is
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Speaker 1: just a desperate attempt to slander Jennifer. Right now, cops
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Speaker 1: have to release it is from inside a heart for
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Speaker 1: trash facility, and in that facility you see a guy
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Speaker 1: that lives a lot like the husband. Photos do lose
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Speaker 1: throwing away what many believe is evidence. Alisis what can
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Speaker 1: you tell us for her ex husband was captured on
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Speaker 1: video thirty times depositing what the police have said and
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Speaker 1: sources have said it was evidence. It included bloody clothing,
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Speaker 1: sponges that have been connected back to Jennifer. This is
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Speaker 1: all what forces are saying, and this is they have
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Speaker 1: been searching the trash in this town. They are meticulously searching.
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Speaker 1: This is a huge trash landfill. But they have said
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Speaker 1: the authorities that said, we know exactly what we're looking for,
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Speaker 1: we know when it came here, and we know where
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Speaker 1: it is, and we are finding everything. And they said
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Speaker 1: even the littlest bit of evidence they have, they're sending
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Speaker 1: it to the medical examiner. They have dogs out there
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Speaker 1: that are trained to search to find body fluid, blood,
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Speaker 1: anything human related and they are going to find everything
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Speaker 1: they can to help connect them to these kids. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: potential break in the case of the missing Connecticut mom
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Speaker 1: of five, Jennifer Dulos. A bloody knife possibly linked to
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Speaker 1: her case was found, we believe wait for it, but
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Speaker 1: the idiot that found it traded it to a dope
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Speaker 1: dealer named Fudge for a five rock, a five dollar
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Speaker 1: hit of crack. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven. To syndicated
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Speaker 1: talk show host Dave mac dave, I want to start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. Where did she go missing? When did
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Speaker 1: she go missing? She dropped their children off at eight am.
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Speaker 1: The next thing we know is that she missed an
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Speaker 1: eleven am appointment. At twelve noon, the cleaning lady came
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Speaker 1: by and there was nobody home. So the police have
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Speaker 1: tightened the timeline down to the last time. But woa, whoa, whoa, Dave, Max, Sorry,
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Speaker 1: but I've got to isolate something. You just said. She
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Speaker 1: dropped the children off at school eight am. And let
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Speaker 1: me just tell you, these people aren't slouches. They live
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Speaker 1: in a very upscale area, possibly one of the most
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Speaker 1: expensive areas outside of nine two one oh. It's around
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Speaker 1: the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I learned living
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Speaker 1: in New York that all the rich people would leave
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Speaker 1: and after work and take a train to New Canaan,
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Speaker 1: I mean the really, really wealthy people. So I can't
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Speaker 1: identify where the woman was living. The husband was living
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Speaker 1: in a four point three million dollar mansion, but they
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Speaker 1: had split up. Long story short, this is where I'm
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Speaker 1: going with this. Dave Mac eight Am to eleven AM
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Speaker 1: with Me, Dave Max, Indicated talk show host Josict Morgan.
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Speaker 1: I need you on this one. You know, when I'm
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Speaker 1: making a cup of hot tea first thing in the morning,
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Speaker 1: at about five AM, I do not expect a kidnap
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Speaker 1: to go down. What I'm saying is, I've been prosecuting
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Speaker 1: for many, many years, and it's much more unlikely for
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Speaker 1: a violent crime to occur first thing in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Now this is just anecdotal for me, but it's rare
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Speaker 1: when you see a kidnap or a murderer or a
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Speaker 1: violent crime occur first thing in the morning. What is that?
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Speaker 1: I always say, I felt perfectly perfectly safe going out
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Speaker 1: in hand delivering subpoenas first thing in the morning, because
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Speaker 1: all the dopers would still be asleep like vampires. So
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Speaker 1: what is it that the crimes do happen? But it's
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Speaker 1: very rare first thing in the morning. Yeah, you're right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: I mean even even swat teams and you know, drug
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Speaker 1: task forth, like you had stated, they will they will
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Speaker 1: go and serve warrants at these violent offenders homes generally
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Speaker 1: at that period of time, because you know these people
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Speaker 1: are not going to be out of the bed by
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Speaker 1: that time. Oh oh hbl No, because they've been up
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Speaker 1: all night long breaking the law, selling dove, driving around town,
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Speaker 1: trying to steal things, an arm rob. Mmm, you can
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Speaker 1: set up a whole battering ram outside a doper's door
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Speaker 1: at six am. They won't know anything's going on. They're
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Speaker 1: dead to the world till about three pm. So can
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Speaker 1: I just get a yes no on that, Joe Scott? Yes, So,
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, you're telling me she goes missing between eight
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Speaker 1: and eleven. She either wanted to disappear and get away
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Speaker 1: from her life mighty early in the morning, and we
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Speaker 1: don't have any signs of her clothes being packed, or
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Speaker 1: a bus ticket, a plane ticket, nothing like that, Doe, Dave.
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Speaker 1: When the police actually went to her rented home in
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Speaker 1: New Canean, they found traces of blood and obvious signs
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Speaker 1: that have been cleaned up so that the maid could
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Speaker 1: not realize what had happened. So I'm assuming they use
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Speaker 1: lumin dollar something along those lines, determined that it was
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Speaker 1: enough blood. Who is they who used luminos I'm sorry.
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Speaker 1: The police. The police all converged on her home to
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Speaker 1: try to find her. And again we've got an eight
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Speaker 1: am dropping off at school. By eleven am, she misses
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Speaker 1: an appointment in By twelve noon, the maid says there's
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Speaker 1: nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they
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Speaker 1: find traces of blood at such a level that they
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Speaker 1: believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to
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Speaker 1: conceal it from the maid when she arrived at noon.
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Speaker 1: We're now learning from sources connected to her husband she
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Speaker 1: Jennifer wrote a quote Gone Girl style novel. Gone Girl,
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Speaker 1: as you know, a hit movie about a woman who
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Speaker 1: orchestrated her own disappearance, and it made to look as
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Speaker 1: if her husband had murdered her. Wow. Okay. He the
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Speaker 1: defense lawyer is also suggesting Jennifer has disappeared before and
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Speaker 1: lived for years under a false name. Okay. I find
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Speaker 1: that really hard to believe with five children that she's
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Speaker 1: living separately from them under a false name too. Alexis
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Speaker 1: Trestchuck writer online dot com. Just give me a capsualization
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Speaker 1: for those just joining us about what is the movie
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Speaker 1: Gone Girl about? Who's starting it? Done Girls starred Ben
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Speaker 1: Affleck and Rosamund Pike, and she was his wife who
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Speaker 1: faked her death. We didn't know that. In the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the movie. He just came home. She was missing
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Speaker 1: blood everywhere. Police found lots of hidden evidence that would
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Speaker 1: only point to him as the murderer. It ends up
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Speaker 1: that she faked her death. She'd run away. All things
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Speaker 1: happened to her. She ended up coming back before he
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Speaker 1: got the death penalty. As you all know, Jennifer file
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Speaker 1: for divorce in twenty seventeen. Has been locked in an
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Speaker 1: acrimonious legal battle for custody of their twin boys. Another
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Speaker 1: set of twins, boy girl and a daughter. All the
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Speaker 1: children very young, between eight and thirteen years old. Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Henry in court documents, I am afraid for my family's safety. Wow,
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Speaker 1: to get an idea what she looks like to me,
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Speaker 1: she looks a little bit like Jennifer Garner Um trying
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Speaker 1: to figure this all out, Alexis, what more can you
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Speaker 1: tell us? For the last few years, Jennifer has been
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Speaker 1: fighting for us for custody of her five children. In
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Speaker 1: multiple court documents, she has claimed that she's afraid for
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Speaker 1: her life. She's afraid of him. He is somebody that
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Speaker 1: she really feels I could really do harm to her
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Speaker 1: and the children, and she has been bagging a judge
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Speaker 1: to give her custody of the children. Listen on Association
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Speaker 1: of your Emergency. Yeah, I'm worried about my wife and
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Speaker 1: kids because they left to go to York and I
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Speaker 1: haven't been able to get in touch with. Okay, where
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Speaker 1: they were? Run to me? Eric, what's the license late
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Speaker 1: on the car? What's the license late on the car? I? Okay,
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Speaker 1: what's the Who's the car registered to my wife's name?
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulosa, same for me, Dulos, d u l o
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Speaker 1: Els Jennifer j E F N I f R. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: harro data birth. It's September twenty seven, nineteen sixty eight.
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Speaker 1: They were drugging the whole baby seeing continue with the world. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what kind of hold on? Hold on? What kind of
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Speaker 1: car were they driving? Who is the rain Drowery holds
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Speaker 1: Black twenty sixteen, Black land Rower rain Drowers. You just
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Speaker 1: heard part of a nine one one call from two
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Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen where the husband is calling police Fotus
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Speaker 1: Duelos the husband. Okay, why is there a two thousand seventeen,
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Speaker 1: nine one one call, what is that? Dave? Matt Nancy
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Speaker 1: The Dulo's marriage was very contentious, and Jennifer actually filed
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Speaker 1: for divorce in two thousand and seventeen, and that's when
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Speaker 1: that call was made. She actually left with the kids
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Speaker 1: to New York, but she went to get away from him,
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Speaker 1: to hide from him, because she feared that when she
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Speaker 1: served the papers, according to what she wrote, that he
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Speaker 1: would be violent towards her. So she actually knew this
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Speaker 1: was going to happen. It was all filed with the
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Speaker 1: with the court. And when he called nine one one,
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Speaker 1: he hadn't been served the divorce papers yet. He didn't
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Speaker 1: know where his wife had gone. He got the divorce
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Speaker 1: paper after that nine one one call. Let's take a
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Speaker 1: listen to more of it? Nine one one? Were they
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Speaker 1: supposed to either? They were supposed to be the partment, okay,
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Speaker 1: but Ball is not answering. They're not answering the okay,
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Speaker 1: what's herself? The number? Six? Zero four? No? Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: you keep breaking up? Star needs you to hold the
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Speaker 1: phone to your face because I keep hearing you really
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Speaker 1: far away small a sick so far, so for long
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Speaker 1: for zero six that's my wife's phone number. Okay, who's
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Speaker 1: the other person that's with your wife? He goes on
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Speaker 1: to list all five children missing, five children, all gone
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Speaker 1: with her. This is after she files for a divorce.
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Speaker 1: But that was way back in twenty seventeen. I have
18:25
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Speaker 1: Welcome back on me and see Grace, Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Potential break in the case of the
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Speaker 1: missing Connecticut mom of five, Jennifer Dulos. A bloody knife
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Speaker 1: possibly linked to her case was found, we believe, but
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Speaker 1: the idiot that found it traded it to a dope
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Speaker 1: dealer named fun for a five rock. Now we're learning
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Speaker 1: a lot of this from the Hartford Current sources that
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Speaker 1: a Heartford man may have found a knife linked to
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of New Canaan mom Jennifer Farmer Dulos, and
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Speaker 1: then traded away for a dope. Oh dear Lord in Heaven.
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Speaker 1: The knife, along with the bloody pillow found in the
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Speaker 1: trash can and the knife traded away. In an interview
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Speaker 1: with the Current, this guy says that he was walking
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Speaker 1: along Albany Avenue when he reached the garbage can and
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Speaker 1: saw the pillow. Quote, I put my hand in the
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Speaker 1: garbage can. I picked up the bloody thing and there
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Speaker 1: was a knife under there. There was about a quart
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Speaker 1: of blood on the pillow, all over the pillow. How
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Speaker 1: did we end up on a wild goose chase for
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Speaker 1: a bloody knife traded to a dope dealer named Fudge.
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Speaker 1: You just heard part of a nine one one call
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Speaker 1: from two thousand and seventeen where the husband is calling police.
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Speaker 1: Fotus duelos the husband, let's taken listen to more of it?
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Speaker 1: Nine one one? When were they supposed to be there?
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Speaker 1: They were supposed to be there? Will of your partment? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Is not answering, they're not answering their s Okay, what's herself?
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Speaker 1: The number? Six? Zero four? No? Four? Okay? Okay, you
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Speaker 1: keep breaking up, Starry, need you to hold the phone
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Speaker 1: to your face because I keep hearing you really far away?
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Speaker 1: Well A zero six, so fourth so for line for zero,
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Speaker 1: say that's my wife's cry phone number. Okay, who's the
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Speaker 1: other person that's with your wife? And only Lauren? Do
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Speaker 1: you know her last name? Yeah? I A. And he
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Speaker 1: goes on to list all five children missing, five children,
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Speaker 1: all gone with her. This is after she files for
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Speaker 1: a divorce. But that was way back in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: to data Patricia Saunders Psychologists joining us out of New York.
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Speaker 1: What about it? That telephone call that who has made
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Speaker 1: saying that his family was missing was the night before
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Speaker 1: he was actually served the divorce papers. He sounds surprisingly
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Speaker 1: calm on the nine call. One of the statements that
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Speaker 1: Jennifer had made was she listened to years of sickening
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Speaker 1: revenge fantasies from her husband planning a harm physical harm
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Speaker 1: to people who he felt had wronged him. So she
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Speaker 1: had stated that she was afraid of her husband and
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Speaker 1: that he would find some way to get revenge for
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Speaker 1: her divorcing him. You know, doctor Patricia Saunders, you know
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Speaker 1: my husband David very very well, and all the time
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Speaker 1: I've known him, which goes all the way back to college,
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Speaker 1: I've never once heard him talk about revenge ever. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's in business and business deals go up,
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Speaker 1: and business deals go down, and sometimes it works out,
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Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. I've never once heard him say I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get that guy. Her family says she was
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Speaker 1: quote afraid for her life. That's what we're learning that
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Speaker 1: she was a quote nervous wreck after filing for a
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Speaker 1: divorce from husband Fotus Dulos, her husband of thirteen years, quote,
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Speaker 1: she knew how enraged he was that she took this step,
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Speaker 1: that is filing for divorce. Now there's been quite an
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Speaker 1: upheaval amongst the family because Jennifer is missing. Her vehicle
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Speaker 1: found to Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. It seems to me
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Speaker 1: that if she dropped her children off at school at
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Speaker 1: eight am and then you find blood that seemingly is
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Speaker 1: cleaned up in the home that she came back, that
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Speaker 1: says to me she came back from taking them to school.
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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if she stopped anywhere along the way,
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Speaker 1: McDonald's for a cup of coffee, the grocery store, whatever's
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Speaker 1: open at eight am, came into the home and that's
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Speaker 1: when the attack occurred. Because her car by eleven am
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Speaker 1: has been found abandoned. Yeah, I think so too, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: And I think that whoever's involved in this, they have
24:31
Speaker 1: to know her timing. They have to know that she
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Speaker 1: would have taken those kids to school, and then they
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Speaker 1: would have had to have had access to this area
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Speaker 1: and which in which this blood is found. And this
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Speaker 1: is going to be essential. I don't know what you're
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Speaker 1: saying about access. They could break in or get in
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Speaker 1: with a credit card at the door and fallen us.
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Speaker 1: She left the door unlocked, But as far as timing,
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Speaker 1: I believe that's when the incident occurred. I mean it
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Speaker 1: had to. If that blood wiped up is related to
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Speaker 1: her disap appearance. In the last hours, we learned that
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Speaker 1: the husband has given DNA samples straight out to David Mack.
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of breaks in the case way
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Speaker 1: in Jennifer's husband, Fous Dulus and his girlfriend, Michelle Traconis,
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Speaker 1: who's they were both taken into custody and charged with
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Speaker 1: hindering prosecution and tampering with evidence in relation to the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of Missus Dulas. Okay, that's not good because if
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Speaker 1: they are in any way trying to cover up or
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Speaker 1: tamper with evidence or keep police from finding evidence, why
25:33
Speaker 1: would they want to do that unless they've got something
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Speaker 1: to cover up. Now, a defense attorney will argue tampering
25:39
Speaker 1: with evidence or obstructing police does not a murder make.
25:43
Speaker 1: But if they're what other reason would they cover up
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Speaker 1: evidence or tamper with evidence or obstruct police in their investigation.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack, you know what we've gotten now is we've
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Speaker 1: mentioned many times about the blood being cleaned up at
25:56
Speaker 1: the New Canaan rental home that Missus Dulas was living in. Well,
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Speaker 1: they've gotten the DNA broken down from that, and prior
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Speaker 1: to his arrest, mister Dulos actually had given a DNA
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Speaker 1: sample and hair follicle samples that they're running against some
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Speaker 1: of the other evidence that they found. Listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at w TAJ, our partners at the Hartford Current
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Speaker 1: reporting that Hartford police found a blood stained T shirt
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Speaker 1: they think Jennifer Dulos was wearing on the day that
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Speaker 1: she disappeared. The Current reporting the Vineyard Vines T shirt
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Speaker 1: and abra found inside a garbage bin on Albany Avenue.
26:29
Speaker 1: Police also found two mops in sponges that also had
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Speaker 1: small amounts of blood on them, Sources telling The Current
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Speaker 1: the items were in a black contractor bag. Police say
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Speaker 1: there is video of Jennifer's is strange husband, Photus Dulos,
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Speaker 1: throwing bags into dumpsters on Albany Avenue. Dulos and his girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: Michelle Traconis are charged with evidence tampering and hindering prosecution
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Speaker 1: in connection with Jennifer Dulos's disappearance. Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Welcome back home, Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
27:18
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The search for mom
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Speaker 1: of five Jennifer Dulos has had so many bizarre twists
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Speaker 1: and turns. The husband and his girlfriend caught on camera
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Speaker 1: at about thirty stops throwing out items that later allegedly
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Speaker 1: had his wife's DNA on them. My, they were certainly
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Speaker 1: neat nicks throwing out all that, as I call it
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Speaker 1: evidence according to sources, But now the potential murder weapon
27:52
Speaker 1: has reared its head, but cops can't find it. A
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Speaker 1: dopadic dredging through trash claims he a bloody pillow and
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Speaker 1: a bloody knife, which he traded the knife to a
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Speaker 1: doper for a five rock a five dollar hit of crack.
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Speaker 1: Now keep in mind that the husband, Photus Dulos, has
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Speaker 1: just lost a battle with his mother in law, who
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Speaker 1: owes several million dollars to by the Way over custody
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Speaker 1: of the five children. The grandma has it Jennifer's mother.
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Speaker 1: That tells me a lot. And in the midst of
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Speaker 1: all this, instead about searching for his wife, his defense
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Speaker 1: lawyer says things like, oh, Jennifer had a crazy imagination
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Speaker 1: she was working on a novel like Gone Girl, suggesting
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Speaker 1: that Jennifer has gone missing just to get back at
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Speaker 1: her husband. He has also flowed the idea of revenge
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Speaker 1: suicide that his wife, the mother of his five children,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos killed herself just to irritate him. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I just hope they say that to a jury. But
29:02
Speaker 1: right now I'm thinking about this knife and is there
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Speaker 1: any way to find it. Surveillance footage catches the couple,
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Speaker 1: husband and girlfriend, making thirty stops at trash receptacles in
29:21
Speaker 1: Hartford the night Jennifer goes missing. We believe disposing of
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Speaker 1: bags filled with items including Jennifer's blood stained garments and
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Speaker 1: bloody sponges. Fotus Dullo's DNA also found mixed with Jennifer's
29:41
Speaker 1: blood on the kitchen sink faucet in her home. Now,
29:45
Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. His DNA found mixed with
29:49
Speaker 1: her blood on a kitchen sink faucet in her home.
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Speaker 1: See here's my problem with that, Alexis. Many defense lawyers
29:58
Speaker 1: will argue, it's not uncommon to find and occupants blood
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Speaker 1: and the home, especially in the kitchen if you cut
30:06
Speaker 1: your finger, all right, But they have been locked in
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Speaker 1: a bitter custom to dispute. Why is his DNA there
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Speaker 1: and coincidently exactly where her blood is. See that's a
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Speaker 1: problem for me. That's not where he lives. That's not
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Speaker 1: a home he occupies. His DNA should not be on
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Speaker 1: a kitchen faucet where her blood is Alexis, and he
30:30
Speaker 1: hasn't lived in this house in two years. They don't
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Speaker 1: live together, he's they're not friendly, So there's no reason
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Speaker 1: for his DNA to be in the house any longer.
30:39
Speaker 1: Obviously it could be it lasted a long time, but
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Speaker 1: to be right there on the kitchen faucet, you wash
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Speaker 1: that kitchen fawcet twenty times a day every time you
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Speaker 1: use it, and so there's no reason for his DNA
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Speaker 1: to be there. And he and his girlfriend getting caught
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Speaker 1: on video thirty different times disposing of stuff nobody normal
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Speaker 1: that it has nothing to hide is doing. You're not
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Speaker 1: throwing your trash out in thirty different places. That is
31:02
Speaker 1: very suspicious. Again, the lawyer for the husband claims that
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos penned a five hundred page Gone Girl esque manuscript,
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Speaker 1: which he admits he has never read. They are now
31:23
Speaker 1: claiming that she has quote quite an imagination and motives
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Speaker 1: to hurt mister Dulos. You know, I find it really
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Speaker 1: hard to believe that this mom would be away from
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Speaker 1: her five children that she has been battling so acrimoniously
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Speaker 1: for so long. This five hundred page manuscript. According to
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Speaker 1: her friends, it quote has nothing in common with Gone Girl.
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Speaker 1: It was a novel, like most of her writing, has
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Speaker 1: at the heart of it about a loving relationship. That's
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Speaker 1: what they say the novels about. Back to Alexis Rustchuk,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with radel online dot com, explain what's happening now.
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Speaker 1: So Jennifer's ex husband and his girlfriend were actually arrested.
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Speaker 1: They were taken into custody by the police in connection
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Speaker 1: with tampering evidence and so misleading an investigation. That is
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Speaker 1: the only charge has been leveled against them so far.
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Speaker 1: According to the husband's lawyer, that missing Connecticut mom of
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Speaker 1: five Jennifer Dulos had written a Gone Girl script. Why
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Speaker 1: is that significant a Gone Girl novel? Because Gone Girl
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Speaker 1: is about a woman, a married woman that stages her
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Speaker 1: own apparent murder and disappearance, pointing the finger in her
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Speaker 1: own husband, and then she miraculously shows up at the end,
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Speaker 1: but you don't know till the very end he's about
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Speaker 1: to be arrested for murder. We learned that, according to sources,
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Speaker 1: the husband, Foetus Dulos, was very hard on the children,
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Speaker 1: especially when it came to water skiing, forcing them to compete.
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Speaker 1: Several of the children were nationally ranked ski competitors. And
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Speaker 1: of course, cops have searched a lake where Jennifer Dulo's
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Speaker 1: children were allegedly forced to water ski. To Alexis Chreschik, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about state police searching a
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Speaker 1: lake in Connecticut where a strange husband of Jennifer Dulo's
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Speaker 1: allegedly forced their children to practice water skiing, including the
33:32
Speaker 1: use of sonar equipment to scan the lake off Old
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Speaker 1: Farms Road in Avon. And that's a very wealthy suburb
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Speaker 1: of Hartford. What can you tell me about forcing the
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Speaker 1: children into competitive water skiing. In her divorce documents, Jennifer
33:48
Speaker 1: claimed that her children no longer wanted to water ski.
33:51
Speaker 1: They did not want to be competitive water skiers, but
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Speaker 1: they were too afraid of their father to tell him
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Speaker 1: that they didn't want to do it. She says that
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Speaker 1: he forced them to do it, and in fact, one time,
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Speaker 1: when one of her sons that he didn't want to
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Speaker 1: ski anymore, that dad took the water ski and threw
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Speaker 1: it against the rocks and broke it. She said even
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Speaker 1: the children were afraid. They hated going there, so police
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Speaker 1: descended upon this lake searched it. They used top of
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Speaker 1: the line equipment to see if there was any way
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Speaker 1: that possibly her body could be in this lake. They
34:21
Speaker 1: were looking for evidence there because it was something that
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Speaker 1: was so connected to the family, so they searched there. Alexis,
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Speaker 1: members of the Connecticut State Police and major crime units
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Speaker 1: have been painstakingly digging through mounds of trash inside a
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Speaker 1: trash facility. They've systematically sorted through over six hundred tons
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Speaker 1: of trash and the search for Jennifer deals. But can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about that, Alexis Toreschuk. The state police
34:49
Speaker 1: have said they booked on the videos where they saw
34:54
Speaker 1: Jennifer's ex husband and girlfriend dumping the trash everywhere. They
34:57
Speaker 1: know exactly where this trash went, so they have tracked
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Speaker 1: it down. They're at the big dumpster facility and they
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Speaker 1: are searching through it. They are very meticulous about it.
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Speaker 1: This isn't just having to search through pounds and pounds
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Speaker 1: of trashes that they don't know. They know this came
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Speaker 1: from the area where these video showed them dropping trash
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Speaker 1: in these receptacles, so they are using dogs that have
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Speaker 1: been trained to search for human remains, for blood, for
35:23
Speaker 1: any sort of anything that connects them to a crime
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Speaker 1: scene human remains, So they are using them and they
35:30
Speaker 1: are having actual people. They're searching there, like twelve officers
35:33
Speaker 1: fifteen hours a day are in there. These conditions are horrific.
35:37
Speaker 1: This is just trash pile and high to the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: But they are looking for everything and everything they find,
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Speaker 1: or even if they think it's the smallest thing. They're
35:44
Speaker 1: sending them to the lab to make sure that they
35:47
Speaker 1: have covered every base because they're looking for any evidence
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Speaker 1: of where Jennifer could be. They search for mom of five.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Doulos has had so many bizarre twists and turns,
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Speaker 1: but now the potential murder weapon has reared its head,
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Speaker 1: but cops can't find it. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off Goodbye Friend,