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From North America to the Bottom of the World with Hourless Life · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: your host, Scott Brady, and I am here with the
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  Speaker 1: Hourless Life. So I have Eric and Brittany with me.
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  Speaker 1: The They were on this podcast when they were just
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to start their journey down through the Americas,
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  Speaker 1: and at the time I mentioned hopefully we get them
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  Speaker 1: back when they're done with their trip, and how lucky
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  Speaker 1: are we to be all sitting here again at Overland
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  Speaker 1: Journal HQ and having another podcast. This is actually the
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  Speaker 1: first podcast that we're recording in our new studio here.
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  Speaker 1: We just moved one building over with all of the
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  Speaker 1: changes that are happening with the Overland Collective, which is
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  Speaker 1: very exciting. We've got a new recording space and that's
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  Speaker 1: where we're going to try to do all of our
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  Speaker 1: in person podcasts from now on. But it is such
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  Speaker 1: an honor to have you both on this podcast. You
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  Speaker 1: guys are such an inspiration. Your whole family is such
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  Speaker 1: an inspiration to this community, and it shows people it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: If you aim for the moon, a lot of times
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  Speaker 1: you can see quite a few things along the way,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys have done that. You guys aim for
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  Speaker 1: the moon and you guys have been achieving your goals
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  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: your experiences as you drove down through the Americas and
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  Speaker 1: we were lucky to just see each other recently at
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  Speaker 1: the premiere of the Greenland Expedition Greenland Film in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: Would you guys think of that?
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  Speaker 2: That was incredible.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe how the timing worked out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was really perfect.
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  Speaker 3: But I was writing an article about Expedition seven and
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty two and waiting to see that documentary. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thought so exciting.
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  Speaker 2: And to have the whole team there. The whole team
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  Speaker 2: was there, to have you guys reunited, and to be
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  Speaker 2: able to do the Q and A, it was really
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  Speaker 2: something special.
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  Speaker 1: Was it was so neat that Greg Miller, who is
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  Speaker 1: the one that was the expedition leader on the Greenland trip,
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  Speaker 1: he was able to pull all of us together. We
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  Speaker 1: were able to all come into Salt Lake City, even
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  Speaker 1: Torfee or Mechanic from Iceland, and it was just it
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  Speaker 1: was such an honor to have the entire group there
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  Speaker 1: in one shot and to interact with a community. And
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  Speaker 1: of course we ended up at Cruiser Fest, which is
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  Speaker 1: a really neat event that's held every year at the
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  Speaker 1: Land Cruiser Heritage Museum. So what were some of the
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  Speaker 1: takeaways you guys had from the film?
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  Speaker 2: What did you think, Wow, first, Torfy blew us away,
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  Speaker 2: I got a rock star.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you shared that with me yesterday. Talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about what you noticed about Torfee.
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  Speaker 2: What I really noticed about him, He just had I
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  Speaker 2: can do attitude in the middle of absolutely nowhere, where
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  Speaker 2: you didn't have all of the materials or the things
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  Speaker 2: that you needed. He just needed to figure out a
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  Speaker 2: way to make things happen, and he never felt like
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  Speaker 2: this can't be done. It was always a can do attitude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I think that's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I came to some realization around probably about halfway
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  Speaker 1: through my travels, I came across, you know, some and
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  Speaker 1: it's a fairly old it's a very old stoic principle,
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  Speaker 1: but like the only thing that we can actually control
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  Speaker 1: is our reaction to things. Like everything else is very
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  Speaker 1: much out of our control, or there's lots of other
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  Speaker 1: things that influence our life and the outcomes of our
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  Speaker 1: life and everything else like that, But the one thing,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what's happening, that we can control is our
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  Speaker 1: reaction to it. And I even think Victor Frankel talks
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  Speaker 1: about that a little bit in The Man's Search for Meaning,
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  Speaker 1: which is a really powerful book around his experiences, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in I think he was an Auschwitz or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: but really powerful insight to me that when I'm traveling
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like everything's going wrong and the border
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get any worse, that I still have one thing
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  Speaker 1: that I can control, and that's the way that I'm
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  Speaker 1: reacting to it. And I think Torfee's such a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: example of that in the film of like, let's make
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  Speaker 1: some fun of it. Let's not to take it all
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  Speaker 1: too seriously. We're supposed to be having an adventure, which
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  Speaker 1: means that things are supposed to go not according to plan.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise we're just a tourist on a tour. If things
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  Speaker 1: are going wrong, then we're on an adventure.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I look that it was such a
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  Speaker 3: high water mark as far as content goes, but not
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  Speaker 3: content for content sake. It was amazingly high production quality.
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  Speaker 3: But it's something that the community can see that it's
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  Speaker 3: not just about the travel, it's about who we are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so travel.
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  Speaker 3: And I had heard it said about the Grand Expedition
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  Speaker 3: seven adventure, but also about this where Greg always emphasizes
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  Speaker 3: how not a crossword was spoken. Yeah, and that's always
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  Speaker 3: very convicting for me, because I can be very cross
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  Speaker 3: when we're on the road and just trying to center
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  Speaker 3: having that mentorship and that model of it can go
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  Speaker 3: this bad and you can still be this person. And
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  Speaker 3: that's something that I really took away from our past
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  Speaker 3: four years. I think before going I thought so much
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  Speaker 3: about the things we were going to see and even
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  Speaker 3: the people that we were going to meet, But it
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  Speaker 3: ended up being such an internal journey for me, much
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  Speaker 3: more than I expected it to be. And that's something
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  Speaker 3: I saw in the Expedition Greenland film as well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe let's talk about that a little bit. How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel like that the journey, because you guys
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  Speaker 1: are you know, just you're going to keep going. You
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  Speaker 1: got lots of big plans we'll talk about later in
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, but this journey across the Americas and you guys,
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  Speaker 1: you guys did very you know, appropriate slow travel, so
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  Speaker 1: you really let yourselves immerse into the cultures. What were
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  Speaker 1: some of the big things that you felt changed about
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  Speaker 1: you on that trip?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I can I'll tell you one story that really
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  Speaker 2: stood out to me. And I've shared this. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I can share it without tearing up.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 2: We had just crossed into Ecuador and we weren't on
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  Speaker 2: the Pan American side, and I had done we were
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  Speaker 2: in the jungle, were and I had downloaded all the maps,
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  Speaker 2: I had done all the things right, well, everything you
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  Speaker 2: were supposed to do. I was Johnny on the spot,
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  Speaker 2: had it done. We crossed the border, and everything disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing was working at all, and so I had no navigation,
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  Speaker 2: I had no clue as to where we were supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be going. My phone wasn't working at all. I
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  Speaker 2: was I got very quickly embittered, I guess it is
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  Speaker 2: a good word for it, and frustrated. And we got
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  Speaker 2: to this place. We stayed in this samoyer. It's like
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  Speaker 2: a little docking peer type place, and it was really loud.
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  Speaker 2: There was loud music. I didn't get any sleep. We
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  Speaker 2: were trying to get to Keto, so we had to
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  Speaker 2: drive through the Ecuadorian Amazon to get there, and some
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  Speaker 2: of it was off roads, some of it was pavement.
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  Speaker 2: We're going up this hill and I am just angry,
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  Speaker 2: Like Brittany's not even looking at me. She's like like
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  Speaker 2: she knows that anything's about to set me off. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm so angry because my phone's not working right. And
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  Speaker 2: so we come around this corner and it's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit bumpy off road and there's this there's this house.
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  Speaker 2: It's dilapidated, it's a ruin especially and there's a boy
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  Speaker 2: about Caspian's age and he's wearing I'll never forget it,
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  Speaker 2: he's wearing a yellow T shirt. See he's wearing a
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  Speaker 2: yellow T shirt underwear, he's got no shoes on, there's
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  Speaker 2: not another adult in site. Sure, he's got two rocks
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  Speaker 2: and he's playing with these two rocks and he's happy
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  Speaker 2: as can be. And my biggest problem is that my
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars phone is not working in one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars vehicle, right, And I'm angry as
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  Speaker 2: can be. And it was just one of those gut
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  Speaker 2: check moments that it was like, who are you? You know,
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  Speaker 2: is that really who you are? And I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: My life shifted after that, and I just had this peace,
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  Speaker 2: this calmness that came over me, and it was really
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  Speaker 2: really moving.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an important story. I appreciate you sharing that
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  Speaker 1: travel always changes us in some way, you know. Mark
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  Speaker 1: Twain said that travel's fatal to prejudice. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: fatal to a lot of the things that make us
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  Speaker 1: less than who we want to be. I think it
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  Speaker 1: helps us be more patient. I think it helps us
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  Speaker 1: be a lot more tolerant. It helps us realize that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like that cosmic insignificance theory
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  Speaker 1: of like we're like on this rock spinning through space
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  Speaker 1: in one you know, solar system, in one galaxy among
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  Speaker 1: billions of galaxies, and it does give us a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of perspective. And then we come across someone like
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  Speaker 1: that young child that is finding joy in the most
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  Speaker 1: simple of things, and we see it around the world.
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  Speaker 1: We see we have all seen it where we're in
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  Speaker 1: the developing world and there's happy kids. And the more
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  Speaker 1: developed the places that we go to, the more access
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  Speaker 1: they have to technology, the more access they have to comforts, oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: the less happy they are, and maybe even the less
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  Speaker 1: happy that I am. So how about you, Brittany, what
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  Speaker 1: were some of the what was one of those moments
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  Speaker 1: like that that was really powerful for you?
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  Speaker 3: To your point? I think I used to have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of strong opinions about things, just simple things like
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  Speaker 3: how great full time travel was. And I think when
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  Speaker 3: we first started, granted this is a really long time
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  Speaker 3: ago now almost what twelve years ago, twelve year I
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  Speaker 3: thought everyone should travel full time if they could. And
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  Speaker 3: now everything is more nuanced, I'm so less willing to
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  Speaker 3: say this is absolutely the way it is. And even
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  Speaker 3: with travel, I don't think that travel is for everybody,
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  Speaker 3: and it's certainly not full time travel because it is it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not the pinnacle, I don't think. And that goes
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  Speaker 3: back to what is travel for. And I think that
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  Speaker 3: some of us idealize travel as this ultimate end, this
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  Speaker 3: ultimate goal, But I think the same things are ultimate
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  Speaker 3: goals as they always were. It's it's all the characteristics
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  Speaker 3: that we want to have. It's that patience, the appreciation
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  Speaker 3: for others, and there's so many different ways to get
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  Speaker 3: to those character goals. Travel is one way to do it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a tough way too, especially when you're doing
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  Speaker 3: it full time in a small vehicle and you can't
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  Speaker 3: have everything in that way. And I think I used
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  Speaker 3: to think, Oh, I'm going to be able to figure
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  Speaker 3: out my life so that I could have all these
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  Speaker 3: healthy rhythms and fit in everything I wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: with the exercise and the work and still travel. And
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  Speaker 3: I've learned that I can't have it all and kind
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  Speaker 3: of come to peace with that that this is a
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  Speaker 3: chapter of travel for us, but it's also going to
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  Speaker 3: mean sacrificing a lot of things, even sacrificing things for
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  Speaker 3: my son Caspian that maybe he's not able to you
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  Speaker 3: because we're not in one place all the time, but
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  Speaker 3: it's not forever. Yeah, Aaron coming to understand travel as
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  Speaker 3: a means to an end where I think I used
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  Speaker 3: to place it higher, used to put more value on it.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense, And I think that I know in
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  Speaker 1: my own experience that travel is a very convenient way
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  Speaker 1: to escape things, and we can continue to escape during
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  Speaker 1: the travels, maybe even the changes that we need to
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  Speaker 1: make within ourselves or the things that we need to
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  Speaker 1: come to terms with. So if we let travel shape
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  Speaker 1: us and open us up and become a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more aware of the things that we want different in
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  Speaker 1: our life, it can be really a powerful tool. But
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  Speaker 1: otherwise we can just traveling for travel's sake can be
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  Speaker 1: pretty hedonistic. If we're not careful, we're just like giving
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  Speaker 1: ourselves this ability to run from the things that we
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  Speaker 1: may need to change, really need to change within ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: So I see that in travelers you kind of get
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  Speaker 1: to that point where you realize it's not all of
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  Speaker 1: the luxury and the exceptionalism that we think it is.
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  Speaker 1: That there are challenges with travel. There's things that we
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  Speaker 1: have to give up, and that's another choice in life,
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  Speaker 1: and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Just like any other pleasure. Just like if you sit
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  Speaker 3: down to eat a huge slice of cake, the end
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  Speaker 3: of the slice, you're not enjoying it as much as
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  Speaker 3: you were at first. And it's a psychological principle with
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  Speaker 3: pleasure and pain. We can all have too much pleasure
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  Speaker 3: in that we have to keep going farther and going
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  Speaker 3: stronger to get the same hit that the activity used
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  Speaker 3: to get us. And we certainly got to that planning
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  Speaker 3: fatigue point, that place of I can't see another ruin
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  Speaker 3: because I've seen enough, or I can't see another cathedral
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  Speaker 3: because I've seen you enough. Where at the beginning it
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  Speaker 3: was magical, and that's something to wrestle with too. What
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  Speaker 3: do you do with that when you're on the road
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  Speaker 3: full time and still wanting to enjoy every little thing
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  Speaker 3: but just the way your mind works.
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  Speaker 1: What did you guys do to address that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this year we made a huge change, which
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  Speaker 3: was we got off the road and we've been off
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  Speaker 3: the road since March, and we decided to move into
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  Speaker 3: backpacks for ten months and just go hang out in
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  Speaker 3: Mexico for a while. And we had hardly any stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but we were in walls and I did things. I
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  Speaker 3: got a gym membership, yeah, cast me and went to camp.
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  Speaker 3: We did things that we haven't been able to do,
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  Speaker 3: and it recalibrated me in a lot of ways, especially
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  Speaker 3: in a burnout sense. I think that on the road
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  Speaker 3: sometimes I operated at a low level burnout pretty much
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  Speaker 3: all the time, but that became the normal, and so
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico I was able to recalibrate and no, this
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  Speaker 3: is normal, this is healthy. And so now maybe hopefully
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  Speaker 3: I can take that into Africa to know myself better
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  Speaker 3: to maybe guard against more of that burnout.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it helped getting to that first big
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  Speaker 1: goal of making it to Ashwaya. Do you think it helped?
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  Speaker 1: Like like, oh, it's getting to this thing that we
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  Speaker 1: have put out as this very this north Star that
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  Speaker 1: can be very dangerous for all of us. When we
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  Speaker 1: get to the North Star, that then you like, well,
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  Speaker 1: now what happens now?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Scott and I were talking about this right before
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  Speaker 2: we went on air, about how the last time we
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  Speaker 2: were here we almost felt like we had this imposter
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  Speaker 2: syndrome because we hadn't done anything yet, Like we were
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  Speaker 2: building Dauntless, we didn't even have him built yet, and
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  Speaker 2: you talk about getting to that North star getting to
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  Speaker 2: that milestone. I remember turning to Brittany and Caspi and
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  Speaker 2: after we took the photo in front of the Ushway
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  Speaker 2: a sign at the bottom of the world, and I
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  Speaker 2: said to my wife and son, nobody can ever take
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  Speaker 2: this from you did this, You got here, and for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of your life you can say that you
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  Speaker 2: drove to the bottom of the world and there was
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  Speaker 2: this fulfillment that took place there. But then it's like
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  Speaker 2: what stacks. Lot of people don't realize this. You get
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  Speaker 2: to the bottom of the world, you got to turn
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  Speaker 2: around and go back up. You got to go somewhere else, right,
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  Speaker 2: And it's a big, big continent. I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people don't understand just how big South America is.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, talking a little bit about this, I
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  Speaker 2: did one of those overlay deals where you take a
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  Speaker 2: country and you overlay it on a different part of
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  Speaker 2: the world. And just the country of Columbia, which looks
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  Speaker 2: tiny on the map, I'm looking at the globe across
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  Speaker 2: over here. It looks tiny. It goes from Vancouver, British
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  Speaker 2: Columbia to San Diego, right, and then you look at
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  Speaker 2: that compared to Argentina, compared to Chile, and it's just massive, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't understand how far this really is. And
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  Speaker 2: to be able to say that we drove there, that
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  Speaker 2: that was something special. But we always had our site
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  Speaker 2: set on Africa. New Africa was coming up next for us,
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  Speaker 2: so we're we had a motivation to turn around and
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  Speaker 2: get north so that we could prepare Doatlins to be shipped.
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  Speaker 3: I think Ushwaya meant more to me than I thought
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  Speaker 3: that it would because I'm not I'm not country counting,
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  Speaker 3: I don't that stuff doesn't matter to me too much.
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  Speaker 3: But as we were approaching that day, I was like, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: this really is incredible. And I follow pretty much every
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  Speaker 3: Pan American traveler there is, so it's like every other
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  Speaker 3: day I see a phone, thus like everybody's there. That's
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  Speaker 3: the way it feels like to me, that's my world
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  Speaker 3: that I'm in. But it was very meaningful to make
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  Speaker 3: it there, very special.
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  Speaker 1: And they have coffee shops.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they do have coffee shops. But she had to
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  Speaker 2: earn it. She decided she was going to do a
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  Speaker 2: polar plunge. So this is what happens. We get to
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  Speaker 2: the bottom of the world, and Brittany's like I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to strip down into my bikini and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: run out onto the beach and dunk myself in the water.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm like, are you serious?
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  Speaker 3: And it was the one day it snowed it that day.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Well, and then Caspian's been wanting to film, so we
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: gave him Brittany's iPhone and I film on my iPhone,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: so I got horizontal, he got vertical, and his videos
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: hilarious because.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I didn't know, but he decided to chase me.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And then I went to a coffee shop.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: She yeah. I mean, that's such an interesting place because
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: you drive through such nothingness, very small, you know, population
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: concentricity in that our concentration in that part of the world,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and then you get it's a city. It is genuinely city.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: It's not a like this Star Wars outpost. It's very
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: much like a city with grocery stores and a port and.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Coffee touristed with the cruise ships. That's right, cruise ship
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: visitors are coming in. Everything is priced for the cruise
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: ship visitors. So it was an interesting dynamic, not what
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I expected. My favorite was Punta ad As down there,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and that's where Shackleton came back to and so they
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: have the bar there where they went that night.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Oh wow they.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: So we were walking around all the historical markers and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: be like, wow, this is where it happened. Yeah, it
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: was really cool.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that those those explorers like Shackleton, there's
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: so much to learn from them, especially how he managed
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a group of people. And I mean historically it's very
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: significant that he was, that they were all able to
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: overcome what they did and that they all survived it,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you know, only to come back and end up being
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: thrown into a world war and a lot of them
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: didn't make it through that. They made it through one
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: of this most insane expeditions recorded in history, and only
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to have you know, the powerful elites, you know, casting
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: their lives away, so and history repeats itself. So I
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: think that for me, I felt similar because that was
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: where Expedition seven. So we had done all seven continents
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and the last thing on the list, the last item
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: on the all of that driving in four and a
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: half years of my life, was Ushuaia. So there was
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: definitely a moment where I had to recalibrate, and it
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: took me quite a while to get used to not
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: traveling that way and the intensity of that and like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: constantly overcoming challenges and having a lot of new experiences
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to then coming back and trying to fit into a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: regular work schedule and a regular home schedule, and that
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: was very difficult for me. Well it was.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: It was funny because when we got to Wanawato, so
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: we went to Wanajuato, Mexico to rest, and like Brittany said,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: we were there for five and a half months, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: we had a little apartment that we had and I'll
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: never forget Caspian said to me. He says, Daddy, we're
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: going on vacation. And I said, I was like, what,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. He goes, well, we're not going anywhere.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So for him it's completely reversed because he's been a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: full time traveler's whole life. So for him, normal life
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: is trivel vacation place. It probably felt like that, didn't it, Yeah,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: well it did. It was a good rest. Like Brittany said,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it was really important. I think a lot of times
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: people forget too that we have been on the road
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: runner twelfth year of full time travel, owning no home
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: or property, and so for us to be in one
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: place for that long. I think that's the longest Caspian's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: ever been in one location.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I think shelter in Place was close.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: In his entire life.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Where did you guys, shelter in place?
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Seattle at Eric's mom's house.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that was the only interruption really to your
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: trip was to was to fly back what was probably
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: early twenty twenty.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Well that was before we left on our big trip.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: So we had a big ORV at that time, so
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I just parked it in the driveway.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, it hasn't been that long. I guess it has
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: after you guys left after COVID. It's the time warp
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: of COVID.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but when we left, borders were still closed in
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Central America. I think they were closed at Nicaragua, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: so they kind of opened in front of us as
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: we went. And we had planned in Mexico to do
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: this big Latin American planning session where we knew everything
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: we needed to know, but the vaccine requirements alone were
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: changing practically every week, so we just gave up planning,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: like we'll just go a country at a time because
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: everything was in flux all the time.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was such a crazy time for sure. Now
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: let's we'll pivot a little bit into kind of some
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of the things that you guys have learned more around
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the vehicle and everything else. But you guys talk about
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: what vehicle did you choose and what vehicle did you
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: build for the trip, and what were some of the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: things that you think worked great and what were some
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of the things that maybe didn't work so great.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: So we ended up with a twenty twenty one jeep
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Gladiator Sport, so the lowest model because it had the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: highest payload, and we added an alu cap canopy camper
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: on the back, and then of course electrical water in
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the whole nine yards, all the things.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Which died really hard to stand or payload.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, lar spreadsheet, we have a spreadsheet to try and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: stander payload. And I think overall we did really well
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: on the The build is very thoughtful. We do have
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: a video that kind of talks more it's not just
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: what we have on it, but the philosophy behind it,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: in other words, why we place this here and how
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this functions and why this is important and that has
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: helped a lot of people. And of course there were
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: things that worked. One of the questions that I get
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: all the time, is is there anything you would have
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: changed on your build? And for the most part the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: answer is no.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I would think for years the answer was no. We
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: love this vehicle. Yeah, it's been working great. It wasn't
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: until patagon yet it kind of wrecked us that things
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: started to change.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dauntless is what we call the vehicle, and he's
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: done great and everything we've put him through. So we've
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: been very, very happy with the Jeep as a platform.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: It's the modifications that we made, and in hindsight, I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: would have had some redundant systems that I didn't build
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: into place, and then we kind of had to trail
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: fix and figure out on the road. So kind of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: one of the craziest stories for us was when we
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: had the longest travel day we ever had. It was
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: over sixteen hours of driving three ferries and we ended
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: up at the very start of the remote section of
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the Cuta ted Ostral in Chile and Patagonia. We arrived
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: at three point thirty in the morning off the final ferry.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: We're all exhausted. We parked Dauntless in essentially a really
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: long parking lot with a bunch of other vehicles and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: we lost all power to that habitat. It was everything
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: just shut off at three point thirty in the morning.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And it was a part we had been having issues
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: with over and over again, and.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and understand that that's why, like we specifically
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: designed Dauntless for that section of the Kada Tet austral
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: So we had these We had the heater inside the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Wabasto heater, and we had the electricity for the fridge
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and the power and everything, and we had nothing. We
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: had no fridge, we had no.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Heat, we had a fridge full of food, yes power and.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So it was one of those moments like holy smokes,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: what are we going to do? Yeah, and we kind
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of had to figure it out in one of the
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: most remote sections of South America that there is on
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: the Kada Teta or you know, by this time, we're
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: hundreds of miles from Pertzilmont and we're you know, twenty
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: two hundred kilometers from Puntaetenas. So we're in the middle
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of nowhere with no habitat power.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: So you had to rewire our hood solar panel, which
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: was not meant to go to a lithium battery, but
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: hooked it up anyway with a wire from an electrical
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: engineer that we found in Cha Tin and he was
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: amazing and that gave.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Us just yeah, we just did a work around, Lady Watson. Yeah,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: we have an eighty watt solar panel on the hood
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that's meant for the cranking battery. But we basically took
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: the solar controller, got some wire of the appropriate gauge,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: rewired it to go directly from there to the fridge
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and underneath the jeep and it was or no to
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: the battery, I'm sorry, and it was just enough to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: keep it topped off. Meanwhile, we ordered our part, which
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: had to come in from Australia and the nearest place
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: it could be shipped was twenty two hundred kilometers away. Yeah, sure, right,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: that's like that we could safely get it to us,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So we weren't going to have it for this stretch.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And then, of course I'm married to a crazy woman
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: who wants to go to this ferry that has been
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: booked for the past four months solid and we don't
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: have tickets for But in order to get to that,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: we've got to go off road like six hours to
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: collect to Junge to see if there's any chance we
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: can get on the ferry, and if we can't get
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: on it, we have to turn around, come back the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: four to six hours and crossover to ourgin and crossover,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and so we did that too. It was just it
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: was a lot.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You guys had an adventure.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: But to Scott's question, rear lockers something that you've talked about,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: because when we got stuck in Nicaragua, we found out
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: that there wasn't really any power to reverse this steep
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Gladiator power just wasn't there in reverse, and so that
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: recovery was a lot harder than it probably needed to be.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And you spent two and a half hours digging.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not even for the rear lockers for reverse,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: but the rear lockers for going forward once I could
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: move the vehicle. And so honestly, Max Track saved the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: day on that day.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It was something that we used them multiple times over
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and over and over, and yeah, you know, we had
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: an adventure there. You know, we tell people all the time,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: if these things hadn't happened to us, we wouldn't have
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: a story. It would just be a drive, right, But we.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Do live around our vehicle and that's just the truth
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: of it. And When the weather's good, it's awesome, it's magic.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: But when the weather's bad, it's really really challenging.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: You're in a very small space.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're outside. I mean, we really can't do
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: anything inside other than sleep and sit.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: That's all it's for sure.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: So we're toileting outside. I'm cooking outside. I've had some
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: cooking adventures. Yeah, outside Cotopaxi. It was my coldest cooking
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: ever with the wind just whipping, and I loved it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But it's still really challenging. And so after Patagonia, because
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: it was such a long stretch, that's the point that
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: we started thinking, are we really going to take this
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: vehicle around the world? And I think we're still talking
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: about that. I think it's still the right one for Africa,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: especially because of its size and its off road capability.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens when we get to Europe.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And speaking of size, Caspian is not getting any smaller sure, right,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and so that impacts things. And we love Duntalds like
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: he's honestly been a great, great platform for us, but
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: at the at the end of the day, he's a tool, right,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: He's a means to an end worthy Overlanders, not the rig,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and so there's no shame, there's no you know, guilt
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in trading him in or doing something different if it's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: going to fit our family better the journey that we
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: want to take. But as it stands right now, Dauntless
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: is the rig we're taking to Africa and maybe even
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Europe and maybe Asia. We'll see, we'll see, we don't know.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I'll just push through. I look at it Richard and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Ashley's rig, and I really think that really understanding what
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: they do, that that's where it's at.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's interesting once you kind of move up
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to a camper in the back where it's it's not
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a habitat, it's actually got like a small di neet
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and the ability to shower inside, the ability to cook inside. Yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I've kind of found that for me to be the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: sweet spot. It's still compromises, but it's for my form
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of travel. I think like a mid sized truck with
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a camper's pretty ideal. And that's for two people, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mean you're dealing with three.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: But having said that, when we were on in twenty
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: twenty one, we talked about how much we love going
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: into the villages and even the cities and how this
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: rig allows us to pull up on the zokolow Yeah,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: or just go visit, go have a meal, like we've
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: just gone in for a meal and then we've left town.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: And that ended up being true. We absolutely could do that,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and we did it a lot, and we knew ourselves
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: enough to know that we love the culture of cities
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and we spent more time in cities than I think
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of Overlanders do just because it's something that
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: we love. We love going to the museums and going
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: to eat at the local restaurants. And if we had
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Richard and Ashley's truck, we couldn't have done that.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been a lot more difficult.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: We wouldn't have fit in any garages. We mostly didn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: fit anyway, but we did squeak into some garages and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: just the amount of curbs and had to hop with dauntless.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those colonial towns, which are the ones you want
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to go to because they have all the history and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the beautiful architecture, and a lot of times they're the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: draw They're small, small streets, they weren't made for big vehicles.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, absolutely, we've hopped our share curves
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know that we want to give
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that up. And that's just the question. That's all always
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: a trade off.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: It is a trade off, and depending on what route
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you guys want to do in Africa, it would depend too.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people have done big rigs
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: on the eastern route, but it's a lot more difficult
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to do a big vehicle on the western route. Less options.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I think we're planning to do just a loop around
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the southern countries. Maybe it go as far north as
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Angola and then basically cut east from there. Yeah, if
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: we decide to go that, if we decide to go clockwise,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: if you don't counterclockwise, it'll be different. But essentially just
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a loop around the southern part of the continent is
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: what our plan is. And we plan to do a
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: year in Africa. That's the initial like, that's what we're
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: looking to do. Okay, we'll see. But we traveled very slowly, Scott.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: We got passed by people. We were already in Peru.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: People were leaving Tuck and passing us on the way
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to USHWAYA sure we travel. When I say we travel slow,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: we traveled marriage.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: It's this fascinating thing about the Pan American that it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: all around Ushwaya and the weather. And I don't know
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: how many places in the world are like that with
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Ushwaya being the goal. And so what I saw were
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: these cohorts forming of travelers who tended to travel in
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: a pack because they were all trying to hit Ushwaya
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: in the same summer. Yeah, and that was really cool
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: because it's a great way to make friends too and
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: kind of see the same people. But we were passed
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: by probably three cohorts. Took four years in Latin America.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Which is incredible, though, I mean, like, what an experience.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: What were some of the the highlights for you in Mexico?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I know what Caspine would say, he's sleeping around couch,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: he's a little under the weather, but he would definitely
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: say this and not this and the Yucatan were for him.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: For me in Mexico was honestly seeing family, right because
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I have family there and so for me that's very special.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: But as far as what other travelers might experience, I
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed Lawosteca Pottosina, which is a fascinating place. It's
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a tropical paradise, that's like four and a half hours
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: south of the Texas border. And here's what I tell
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: people all the time on various groups overlanding things. When
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: people ask me, people will cross Texas to get from
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: California to Florida. Won't even think about it, right, But
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it takes longer to cross Texas than it does to
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: go round trip from Texas to Lawoesteca put Casina in back.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: But they won't do that, yeah, because it involves crossing
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: an international border. But the reality is you're transported into
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: another world. I mean, you're talking about crystal clue, crystal
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: blue water, waterfalls, palm trees, great food, you know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Mexico's got great food.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just a wonderful, welcoming place where the people
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: are hospitable and it's it's literally four hours away. Yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: but people don't do it. And I'm like, just take
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: the take the chance. It's so easy to go down
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: there and come back. And you know, but that that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: place is marvelous.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: And that road that road down there, as I remember,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: is like it's a like four lane highway for most
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: The network of toll roads also interior Mexico. They even
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: have the Aelles and Marias or something the green to
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: come and offer roadside assistance on the toll roads, which.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Is included in your in your toll. Yeah, so it's
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like free triple A on their toll roads.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean, I still love traveling to Mexico.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So it's just it's one of it's a very special
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: place in the world and we're so lucky that it's close.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: To still Yeah, well in that favorite country.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Yes. So that's the other thing. We ask people this
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: question all the time, who have done this journey, after
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: you went all the way to the bottom of the world,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: what was your favorite country? Yeah, ninety percent of them
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: will tell you Mexico, and it's ours as well. There
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: were some others that are really really high up there
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: for us, but if we had to pick one to recommend,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: it would be Mexico and it's right there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just I really loved Wanawato, that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: whole kind of the hub of the revolution, that whole
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Hidalgo in San Miguel. These are really incredible places up
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in the mountains. People don't even realize like how special
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: they are. So for Central America, what was a high point.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Central America was interesting because we were there doing rainy
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: season and it was a long rainy season, and so
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: from May to November it rained every day every day,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and that was really something to deal with. There was
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: one night in Nicaragua that Caspian got sick. He had
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: a stomach bug. And there was an invasion of flying
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: ants one time of year. All the ants take to
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: the sky with their wings and they're mating in the air,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and we had everything closed in the jeep and they
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: were getting in. I had my vacuum and I was trying.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: It was chaos. It was pure chaos.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And we were in Patagonia years later and still pulling
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: carcasses out. I mean when when Brittany she's understating this,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: it was a swarm of biblical proportions.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: That took place.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Yea and their wings would come off. And so to
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: this day we go through the jeep and we say
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: termite wings.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Amazing, right.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: But we were asked about high points. Yes, that's where
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I went.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like the stories though. That's great.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: I mean you loved to call.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, my high point had to be to call the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: ruins in Wuatemala, the Mayan ruins cifically because I have
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: my in heritage, so my my grandfather was my in
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: from Watemala and so his his ancestors were from to Call,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and so there was just something very special about being
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: there for me personally, and I have you know, I'm
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a disabled veteran, so I don't really climb a lot
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of pyramids. Usually Brittany and cast Me do the climbing
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: every now and then we'll get to somewhere like to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Call or like Machu Peak, where I'm like, I don't
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: care what this makes. My knees feel like I'm climbing
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: this right. Always one of those places. I actually climbed
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: a pyramid into Call and stood up over all of
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the forest, you know, and just looked out on it
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: and just kind of took in that moment. So that
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: was really really special for me. One morning that them
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: all is cool.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: It is well, I was going to say, Lake Atitlan
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and Antigua are two favorites of mine. After all these years,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I still think about them all the time. That lake
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: is incredible with the volcanoes rising over it. And we
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: camped on this wide lawn of a hotel. We were
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: literally right on the water.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: You went paragliding.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I did. Yeah, I went paragliding over the lake.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah, And a lot of people don't realize that
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: in Central America you can get to elevation, which is
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the reprieve from the heat. So it's oftentimes people will
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be so hot and muggy the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: whole time down Central America. And if you get up
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to like Antigua, for example, like it's one of the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: probably one of the best weathers in the world other
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: than if sometimes it's rain and sometimes it's not, but
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: every day it's very temperate because of the elevation.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Even in l Salvador, which is teeny tiny, there is
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: this root of the roses that goes up in elevation
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and that was really nice.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Twenty minutes, like twenty thirty minutes, you would change elevation
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: so drastically that you could have a comfortable night's sleep
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and then go visit the beach during the evenings when
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: it's a little cooler or whatever the case may be.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, twenty twenty five minutes.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were in El Salvador just after the new
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: president who's still in power, I think, holding onto power
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: pretty tightly. But he had made a lot of changes
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and the local people they approved of them. And one
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: of the things was infrastructure. So those roads in El
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Salvador were some of the best we had in Central America.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: No, they were the best.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: It was a huge surprise and it had such a
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: reputation even as we were going in, and we did
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: we found it completely different.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were told not to talked about my other overlanders.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: We were told not to go, like this is not
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: a good time to go. But we went in there.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: It was completely peaceful, completely different. The roads were perfect.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: It felt like I had driven back into the United States.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So it was so much of this is just timing,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you know. It's just like you get there at the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: right time geopolitically, and it could be a different, totally
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: different experience.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, things are constantly changing in both directions.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I was looking at a map the other day of
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Western Africa and the State Department how it classifies by
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: color and like people wouldn't know it, but like Senegal
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: right now is a blue country, which means there are
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: no warnings. Wow, And there are many European countries that
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: are not blue. Sure, So like it just depends, like
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: fifteen years ago it wouldn't have been blue, and it
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: is now because the people have made changes to their
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: country that have like Rwanda is another great example, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible how quickly those things can shift one
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: direction or the other. And sometimes even when you're there,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it can shift.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: So you have to talk to people we're just there
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: because everything else can be pretty useless and caused you
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to make some poor decisions because you don't actually know
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: how it is. I mean, we look on Ioverlander and
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: for example, there's a lot of warnings that are on there,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: but some of them are from ten years ago, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: it was a one time thing, so you have to
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: take those with a grain of salts.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And there's all the good memories, but then there's also
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the challenges that came along. I'll never forget. We were
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: going to see a friend who just bought this retreat
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: just outside of Samura in Costa Rica, and she had
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: specifically given Brittany a map and said, follow this route
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: to get to my place.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Don't follow Google map.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Right, and she said don't follow Google man. Well, Brittany
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: forgot to tell me that morning, so I punched it
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: into Google Maps and I took the Google maps route
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: it took us to this river, and we've crossed hundreds
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: of rivers by now, without exaggerating, just you know, from
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: all of our travels. And so I looked at this.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I looked at the ground. I looked at the current.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I looked at the distance, the entrance, the exit, all
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the things that I normally do, and I'm like, this
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: is not a problem. I put Dauntless into the river
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: and the bottom just dropped out, and all of a sudden,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the water level was up to above the fender wells.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for my seat belt cutter and lowering the windows,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and you know, Caspian's in the back, Daddy. Are we okay?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: We're fine, son, you know. And I'm just like motoring through,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: not breaking the plane that I've already started, not shifting
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: gears or anything, and just recalling all of the things
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that I've learned and studied in this moment. But my
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: heart was just racing. I thought we were about to
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: get swept down this river. So we get out and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: we made it out. So we get to the other
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: side and it's like, turn off the jeep. I want
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to go take pictures. I said, no, we are not
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: turning this jeep off until we're around another human beings.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: We're in the middle of nowhere, right, So we get
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: to this restaurant. You can see the water lines. We
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: took some photos. We go into the restaurant and the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: lady was like, oh, welcome, blah blah blah. We sat
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: down and somehow we got on the subjects. She's like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what brings you here? I said, well, we just came
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: through the river and she says, no, you can't come
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: through the river. And I said, no, we just did
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: come through. And she goes, no, that's impossible, can't do that, right,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And I said we did, and she didn't believe me.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: So she want to go see the vehicle. So she
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: saw it and she was like, oh my gosh, you
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: came through the river. So we're sitting there having a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: meal and a few minutes later this guy comes in.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: He's like, you're never going to believe these crazy Americans
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: drove through the river, right, And we're sitting there, right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: It was so funny, but nobody and because all the
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: locals know, you don't, you don't, you don't do it.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: There's a time, there's a season that this is.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: And then how about South America. What what were a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: couple of the highlights there?
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: For me, the people were the highlights. And so because
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of that, Columbia and Brazil were the countries that made
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the biggest impression on me. Both people were so warm,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: so giving. We got rhinovirus in Brazil, but for a
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: long time we didn't know because we didn't go to
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: the doctor. And I'm like laid out in the jeep
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: near the beach in Brazil and there's nothing around. It's
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: a small town and we're not even really in it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: And this Brazilian family came to camp next to us
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: in a beautiful defender and they didn't speak English and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: we didn't speak Portuguese. But she was making meals for me.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: She cooked for the boys because I couldn't get up
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: to do that. They were going to it's a famous
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: island right there is Little des Mere, Portuguese and they
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: were just going on a day trip as a family.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: They didn't know you at all. They had pulled in
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: the night before and hadn't even talked to you. They
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: said to Eric, you want to come with us, And
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Eric and Caspian hopped into their defender and they had
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: this amazing day trip to this island. They took a ferry,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: they ate together. It was unbelievable.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just that one. I've never been to Brazil. I'd
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: love to go.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Okay, that we need to talk about
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: because we almost didn't go to u schwat to tell
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: you how amazing Brazil was. We knew we had this
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: window of weather to get through patagony, because you have
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: to get down and up through during that window, right,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And we're having the time of our lives in Brazil.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: We're just like blown away by the people, the food,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the all the things. And I turned to Brittany, I'm like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: why are we going to Ushuaya? Like why don't we
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: just I mean, it's such a huge country. Why don't
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: we stay here and explore this? And we were this
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: close to just scrapping uya.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Oh. And the crazy thing is we were only in
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: the southern part, so we didn't do the Pontineal, we
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: didn't go to some south Pollo or Rio. We weren't
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: up there at all. We were in this tiny part
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of the southern part of Brazil. Places on the map
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: that we had no idea where they were, although Graham
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: told me some places to go to that were great
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: and we still loved it. So I can't even imagine
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: if we were farther north in the place that more
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: people go to.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Without exception. Brazil is my was my favorite country in
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: South America, like not even close, Like there isn't anybody
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: else on a plateau with them. It's that amazing.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the future I would love to just
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: ship a vehicle probably into monte Video because Brazil is
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: right there, but do it for Brazil.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And we have a storage unit in monte Video now
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: where we would you know, you could go store your
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: vehicle there and come back and do Brazil some more.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what a lot of these Europeans
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: do there.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I heard about it, so I'm shocked that you have
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: him been there. I mean, you've been all over the world.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, Scott, make it a point
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that you will not be disappointed in Brazil. But as
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: far as other South America is something that really impacted
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: me was the Galapagos. And I know it's funny because
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: you can't drive there. We had parked in Keto and
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: we flew to the Galapagos. But wow, like that was
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: so incredible. We swimming with a marine iguana, like they're
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: only found in the Galapagos, you can't find them anywhere
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: else in the world. And you're literally snorkeling or whatever
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: and they're literally swimming right next to you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: It.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just wild.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: That was really special for Yeah, and we self toured
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: the Galapagos, so I think a lot of people don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: go because it's known as being very but that's because
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: most people are doing the cruises, and the cruises are
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: five thousand dollars a person. We just flew in with
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: our backpacks and did our own thing, and.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: You made it work.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. Well, one of the things I wanted
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to ask you guys, now that you've had this really
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: long journey together down to Ushwaya and twelve years on
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the road together, Eric, why don't you share like a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: couple of things that you're most proud of of Brittany
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in your travels.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, how much time do we have? She Well, first
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: of all, this was all her idea Scott. I think
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of people assume it was the guy that
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: said we're going to drive around the world. I didn't
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: have a clue what overlanding was. It was Brittany did
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: all the research, it was all her ideas. So one
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of the things that I admire about my bride is fearlessness,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: sense of adventure, right, just this mentality of it doesn't
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: matter what gets in our way, We're going to figure
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: out a way to either go over, go under, or
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: blast a whole through that we're getting there, right, And
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: just having that spirit of like relentlessness, you know, that's
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: something that I really appreciate. And then honestly, her friendship.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: She's my best friend, yeah, you know, and I can't
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: imagine doing I mean, yes, we're married and all that stuff,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: but I can't imagine doing this with anyone else. It's
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: you're living in twenty square feet of space for an
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: indefinite period of time. We've been on the road for
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: twelve years and she is on I know you're supposed
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to say that, Scott, but I'm not saying it. I'm
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: not saying it to impress anybody. Brittany is my best friend,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you we are closer today than we've
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: been in our marriage. And we've been married fourteen years.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Sure, so this process for us has brought us closer together.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: So that's what I would share.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. How about for you, what are some of
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the things that stand out about Eric?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: So this trip tried us these past four years, and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: especially even the past one year. We had some low
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: low points because we were both that low point. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: was sobern out but I didn't even know. I wasn't
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: even acknowledging it. And Eric was having a lot of
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: physical difficulties with the cold and with his mobility, and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that was really really trying. We basically fought the whole
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: way up South America. Yeah, seriously, like every day we
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: were just having conflict about how we were going to
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: go to Africa, the schedule and everything, and so people
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: should not think that we have it all together now.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: There were times very important I turned to her and
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I said, if it's going to continue like this, we're
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: not going to Africa. Like I mean, it got to
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that point, Yeah, totally.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: But what makes this work and what I appreciate about
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Eric is your selflessness because there were so many times
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: that he put me first, and that's what this takes.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Like if there's some secret sauce, it's putting the other
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: person first.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: And probably every day wake up in the morning, yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Because we don't want the same things and we can't
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: both get what we want. I'm the one who wants
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to go to the crazy places. I want to go
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: off road, places that we don't have information about. I
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: want a wild camp, and Eric wants to keep us safe.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: And those two things are often completely at odds with
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: each other. And so there were a lot of places
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: I wanted to go that we didn't go, And there
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: were a lot of places Eric didn't want to go
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: that he took me because he saw how much it
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: meant to me. And so that was a constant give
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: and take that is very fundamentally part of who we are.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: It's not just oh, I want to go here. It's
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: like Eric is a person who wants to protect his family.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: That's who he is. And I'm a person who wants
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to adventure and that's who I am. And so those
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: are some fundamentally deep things to give up and find
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: that give and take.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: And isn't that most of life? We're in that constant
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: readjustment with the people that we love. Yeah, for sure, absolutely,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: But what an incredible journey. And I'm so proud of
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: both of you for what you've accomplished. I mean, Brittany,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you've been an incredible contributor to Overland Journal. We are
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: so honored to have you regularly contributing to the magazine
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and expedition portal. It's for us. It helps us to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: elevate the content that we do, and it's reflected in
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: all of the work that you have done for us
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: as a team. So we're so thankful to have you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: a part of our story. And it's so fun to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: have you guys here as friends to reconnect after so
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  Speaker 1: many years ago having this podcast when you guys are
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: just getting started and now, I mean, we all still
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: have that sense of imposter syndrome. I still have it
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  Speaker 1: because the but that's the beautiful thing of it. We
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  Speaker 1: can never know it all. I still know one tenth
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  Speaker 1: of one percent of what I want to know about travel.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the deeper you get, the deeper it gets.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the point, is that we always
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  Speaker 1: want to be learning, and we always want to be
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  Speaker 1: reminding ourselves that we don't know even a fraction of
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  Speaker 1: what we hope to know. It's a joy, It is
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  Speaker 1: a joy.
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  Speaker 3: It's and to do it with Caspian too, is pretty InCred.
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  Speaker 1: To watch him just actively. Well, speaking of Caspie, it
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: looks like he's asleep, but that's totally okay.
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  Speaker 3: He's running a fever today.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's healing up. Well, we're going to have you
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: guys on the podcast of course again, so we'll make
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  Speaker 1: sure that Caspian gets his cameo in there. But thank
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  Speaker 1: you both so much for the time to day. Thank
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you for being on the podcast. I wish we had
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  Speaker 1: six more hours to keep talking. I think we had
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  Speaker 1: that much time left on the card, but unfortunately we
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: got to move on to other things. But I'm so
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  Speaker 1: grateful that you guys are here, and I'm so excited
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to hear about the updates to your trip. How do
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: people follow you guys?
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  Speaker 3: So we're ourless Life everywhere. So ourlesslife dot com is
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: our blog. We have five hundred articles on there, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of them are for families, they're for full
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: time travelers, they're for people in the United States because
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: we did a lot of our travels in the US. Sure,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: so there's a huge repository of knowledge there.
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  Speaker 2: And we share our story in a travel log style
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  Speaker 2: video on our YouTube channel, which is also our Less Life.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're around twenty three thousand subscribers that are
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: following our journeys in the world, and many of them
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: have become regular commenters because every video picks up where
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the last one left off, so you can drive around
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the world with us right the journey with you. It's
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: kind of different. We're not professional filmmakers or anything like that,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: but we're just sharing the journey and a lot of
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: people have kind of really gotten into that.
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  Speaker 1: And same with Instagram, you guys are.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Instagram is the other platform that we're active on.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thank you both so much for being on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast with me today, and we thank you all
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  Speaker 1: so much for listening, and we'll talk to you next time.