Latest / Business for Humans / The Art of Giving and Receiving Feedback
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- 0:00I'm Jamie Gennaro, business coach, consultant, and founder of Practica Consulting.
- 0:05In today's episode of Business for Humans, I dive into the art of receiving feedback,
- 0:11how to stay open without getting defensive, what to actually take on board,
- 0:16and how to use feedback as a tool for growth without letting it define who you are. Enjoy. way.
- 0:25I want to talk today about feedback. I have talked in the past about giving feedback,
- 0:33and why it's a gift, but I want to talk about receiving feedback because I think
- 0:38when you can receive feedback,
- 0:41in a certain way, it also gives you a lot of insight into how other people are
- 0:47receiving feedback so that you can modify the way you give feedback.
- 0:52To be more effective.
- 0:55So let's talk about receiving feedback. Number one, and we know this when we
- 1:00give feedback, feedback is not personal.
- 1:04It's not about the person's personality. It's not about who they are or their character.
- 1:11It's about whether or not they're performing in a way that is aligned with their job description.
- 1:20So if their job description says they should be working on a specific task and
- 1:25they're not working on that task,
- 1:27you want to make sure that there's feedback that aligns them to those tasks
- 1:34and responsibilities as were outlined in their job description.
- 1:40And I'm going to pause there because if you don't have a job description or
- 1:44the people working for you don't have job descriptions, it may not seem like an important thing,
- 1:51but trust me, it is one of the main factors of whether people are performing or not performing.
- 2:01And when there's confusion and chaos around process and who's responsible for
- 2:07what and who owns what and where you can delegate.
- 2:11If you don't have rules and responsibilities clearly defined,
- 2:16you're going to already be at a deficit when you're providing feedback because
- 2:22they won't have a frame of reference.
- 2:24So if you don't have that, go back and do that because you want to make sure
- 2:29you're starting off from a strong foundation where both parties understand the expectations.
- 2:36You can't really provide feedback to someone if they haven't already understood
- 2:41the expectations of their role and what they're supposed to be doing.
- 2:45So number one, start there.
- 2:47That's just pure clarity. And as a manager, it's your job to establish that
- 2:54clarity for someone so they understand what's theirs, essentially. And.
- 3:00What is theirs to drive forward. Role clarity, super key.
- 3:06Okay, so number one, separating the personal from the professional will help
- 3:12you receive the feedback in a way where you're not going to immediately be on the defensive.
- 3:19So make sure that you go into to an annual review or a feedback session clear.
- 3:27And that means don't go in there with some resentment or defensiveness off the
- 3:34bat. Just go in there open.
- 3:37There's no need to do anything in the moment. You can always receive the feedback and then take it away,
- 3:46marinate on it, and then come back with a response 100% appropriate and I would say,
- 3:54it's better even to set yourself up in that way first you could even tell your
- 3:59manager listen my my goal of today's meeting is just to receive the feedback
- 4:05and then if you're okay with it I'd like to take that feedback away and then
- 4:09come back and maybe schedule a second meeting with you to talk it through more
- 4:14this just sets you up already.
- 4:17Knowing that you're just in a receiving mode you don't have to push up against
- 4:22anything or defend against anything
- 4:25you're going to allow yourself the space to just receive it even if you don't
- 4:29love it even if you don't think it really fits you can just take it,
- 4:34take it away give yourself that time when you're not stressed when you're not
- 4:40in kind of a fight or flight moment you can take it away, marinate on it, and then bring it back.
- 4:46And even if it's really great feedback, I would also consider doing that too,
- 4:52because things just might come
- 4:54up for you that maybe that's feedback that you'd like to present back.
- 4:58Maybe you'd like to manage up a little bit and provide feedback to your manager
- 5:04after receiving feedback.
- 5:06So separate the professional and the personal, go into a feedback session open.
- 5:13If you're being caught off guard and someone calls you back to the back room,
- 5:17which used to happen to me frequently, we had like the executive meeting room.
- 5:24And if you got called back there, you were definitely not getting good feedback.
- 5:28So I just remember I would be in fight or flight, like you're getting called
- 5:33back to the principal's office, essentially, and I would just take a breather
- 5:38before I got up from my desk.
- 5:40Ground myself, center myself, not make up some story in my head about what this
- 5:45could be about, and just, I'm going to go in there open, I can receive the feedback,
- 5:51and then I can always come back and let them know, I'm going to come back to you.
- 5:55So that's important going in. And then depending on where the feedback's coming
- 6:01from, if the feedback's coming from a client or a boss or a coworker, it's also important to,
- 6:10receive it,
- 6:12and then decide what you want to land and what you might want to put to the side.
- 6:21And this isn't in any defensive way, but we all know when we get feedback and
- 6:26we're not, if we're not in defense mode, if we're even in a conversation,
- 6:31a tough conversation with a close friend or our,
- 6:35partner, our spouse,
- 6:37if we are in that receiving mode, we won't automatically jump on them and become defensive.
- 6:45But what we can do afterwards is decide what really is the work for us to do.
- 6:53You can't do this if you're a narcissist.
- 6:55So you're not even here if you're a narcissist. But if you're somebody who's
- 6:59self-reflective, I would say sometimes we take it all in and we decide what
- 7:04it means about us and we let it define us.
- 7:08We don't need to do that with feedback.
- 7:10And what I would also encourage that you do as you're in that receiving mode
- 7:14is repeat the feedback back to the person.
- 7:18Because what happens often is somebody will say, you're doing great.
- 7:23I'd like to see you tweak this small thing.
- 7:27And then I think that by tweaking that small thing, you're going to see a shift.
- 7:32And what we hear is that small thing is the most important thing that you do.
- 7:37You haven't been doing it well. You need to change everything because you're not good at this.
- 7:44So I also think it's important that in that receiving mode, if you're already
- 7:48ready to be open and receiving. You can say at the end, okay,
- 7:52let me just repeat this back to you. This is the feedback that I heard.
- 7:57Super respectful to the other person also because it really shows that you're listening.
- 8:03You're not already trying to combat or defend the feedback. You're like, here's what I heard.
- 8:11It's such a strong place to be because you're not reacting emotionally.
- 8:18You're not defending yourself you're just like okay here's the feedback i heard
- 8:22that doesn't mean that you have to let any of that feedback define you but in our deep we always know,
- 8:32what is the truth and what it is that we need to work on so if there's feedback
- 8:37that maybe it's painful because you know it's true when you take it away let that feedback land,
- 8:45and if there's feedback where you're like, I don't really think that fits me
- 8:50or that it's appropriate feedback, you put it to the side.
- 8:54And you can 100% have a second conversation with them about whichever parts
- 9:00of those things feel appropriate without defending.
- 9:06So let me give you an example.
- 9:08I worked at an advertising agency where I managed a team of 15 people.
- 9:13And one of the pieces of feedback I received was, you are too nurturing with your team.
- 9:21And the extension of that was you are so concerned with advocating for them
- 9:28all the time that if they miss the mark on something, you take full responsibility for it.
- 9:37And at the time, I was like, well, yeah, it's appropriate. Like,
- 9:40I'm their boss. You're my boss. If they're missing the mark,
- 9:43ultimately it lands on me.
- 9:45Even now, I don't necessarily think that's exactly wrong.
- 9:49But because I am who I am and I take a lot on and I work really hard and I burn
- 9:55myself out the fact that I was also taking on their stuff,
- 10:00definitely I could see that weighing me down and I did appreciate that piece
- 10:06of feedback for sure I was,
- 10:08conscious of it afterwards I was thinking about it but I was also deciding in
- 10:13each scenario is this a moment where it is appropriate for me to take responsibility?
- 10:19Or is this one of those moments where I need to really put it on my team?
- 10:24So again, I wasn't taking it all as like a universal truth, but I also wanted
- 10:29to be open and receptive to it and see where it was appropriate to integrate it.
- 10:34And then also be open to the fact that like in this moment, it doesn't feel
- 10:38quite right to shift the way I work. It doesn't feel right.
- 10:43Then the nurturing part, I did not let that piece of feedback land. And I'll tell you why.
- 10:51My manager who was providing that feedback was the opposite of nurturing.
- 10:56And I'm not judging or saying one's better, one's not better.
- 11:01But if we're looking at management style and the results that a manager is ultimately
- 11:07hoping to get from their team.
- 11:09So what are you hoping to get as a manager? You're hoping to get a team who
- 11:13is, I would say, loyal, who wants to stay in the job,
- 11:17people who feel like you have their back and that you want them to succeed.
- 11:25Ultimately they need to know that you want them to succeed and then that will
- 11:29make them want to succeed they also have to know that if they make a mistake there's room for growth
- 11:37and they're not immediately going to be disciplined because otherwise you're
- 11:41not going to try new things or take new risks if you feel like there's no room
- 11:44for that you're just going to get disciplined.
- 11:47There's no growth in that. That's not a growth mindset. So as a manager,
- 11:51you want people who are trying new things, thinking outside of the box, not afraid to fail.
- 11:58And then you also want to see that team perform. You want to see them create
- 12:06efficiencies, which sometimes might be thinking outside of the box, creating new process.
- 12:12You want to give them enough space where they are driving things forward without
- 12:17needing to check with you all the time. That's very inefficient.
- 12:20And ultimately, like for me, my personal hope for my team was that they would
- 12:27continue to step up, that I could present opportunities for them,
- 12:31seeing where their skill sets were.
- 12:33And then that would give them an opportunity to continue upping the game for
- 12:37themselves, moving towards a promotion and really like moving up in their career.
- 12:42If I look at the people that I managed in this particular role, I would say that,
- 12:48I mean, this is quite a few years after the fact, but I would say I've watched
- 12:53them, even post working with me, continually to elevate themselves and move
- 12:59into these higher levels.
- 13:01And I'm not saying that's because of me, but it is setting a foundation for
- 13:05people where when they have the permission to do that, they're more willing
- 13:09to take that permission on with them in their future career.
- 13:14That is strong management. For me, the nurturing part comes in when you sit
- 13:20down with someone, they know that you're listening, they know that you,
- 13:25want success for them, and so they feel.
- 13:30That nurturing sentiment.
- 13:32They feel your empathy, they feel your sympathy, but they also know that that
- 13:38you are going to push them,
- 13:42just enough to get them over whatever hurdles are in their way,
- 13:46because some of them are self-created.
- 13:50And there is a nurturing aspect to that. I couldn't just be a militant,
- 13:55do this, do this, do this, because what I know as a manager and as a coach,
- 14:00there's always an undercurrent that you cannot ignore.
- 14:03So if someone is super strong, but they're continually underperforming or they're
- 14:08missing meetings or they're missing deadlines, there might be something else going on.
- 14:14And it's really important to recognize there might be something else going on.
- 14:19And maybe they're afraid to take leave because they think all the things that
- 14:24we think when we take leave.
- 14:25And if they just had a nurturing, encouraging manager who saw them,
- 14:30then that might be enough for the manager to say, listen, you are a high performer.
- 14:37I'm seeing you burning out. I think you should take a couple weeks off.
- 14:41It's fine. I've got your back. I've got you covered.
- 14:44That feels really important as a manager.
- 14:49Ultimately, I want to have people's backs. I want them to know that it's kind
- 14:56of not that dissimilar from parenting. It's like, I want you to go off and do
- 15:00your own thing and do it your way. I don't want you to do things my way.
- 15:03But also, if I'm seeing something, I'm going to call it to your attention and
- 15:09see if we can work through it. I'm not just going to ignore it and pretend like
- 15:12there isn't a world that exists outside of this office space.
- 15:17So I always felt like that nurturing bit was why I had teams that never left.
- 15:24I had high retention. I've always had high retention. I even have high retention as a coach.
- 15:30People stay working with me, partially because I think they're getting a level
- 15:35of encouragement they might not be getting in a lot of their other domains. And it's not bullshit.
- 15:42It's not bullshit encouragement. It's that when I see skills and gifts that
- 15:46people have, I want them to feel the power of their own potential.
- 15:54And you need to kind of pull on threads and really encourage that in people.
- 16:00And I find that one of my secrets.
- 16:04Sauces. It's like one of my secret ingredients is I think I do that part really
- 16:11well. And it builds trust with people. People know I'm not BSing them.
- 16:16They know where it's coming from. And they also know like I am a consummate
- 16:20professional and I'm not just blowing smoke.
- 16:24I don't need people to just like me. I'm not doing it for that.
- 16:29I'm doing it because I genuinely see a gift or a talent that's not being,
- 16:34you know, utilized to its full potential.
- 16:38That piece of feedback didn't land. And I didn't push back and I didn't go into
- 16:44some kind of defensive mode.
- 16:46I just kind of was open, receptive, checked in with myself like,
- 16:50okay, is it a problem? Like, is this nurturing thing a problem?
- 16:54I didn't specifically ask my team, but in all the one-on-ones after that.
- 16:59I didn't want to modify the way
- 17:00I was doing one-on-ones because it was working, but I was kind of aware.
- 17:04I was looking at it objectively. Am I being too nurturing? Is it not moving
- 17:09my team forward in the way that I would hope that I'm moving them forward?
- 17:14I was not dismissing it, but I didn't let it land because it didn't feel right.
- 17:22But I think if you want to be effective in your job, you also have to believe
- 17:26into what you think makes you effective and you don't want to always lose that.
- 17:32I think this was the thing that made me so effective and so good at my job and
- 17:37I just couldn't let that, I couldn't let that feedback land.
- 17:41So there's a thing with feedback where, you know, if we're, again,
- 17:46if we're very self-aware people and we are worried about what people think of us.
- 17:52We can take it all in and make it mean who we are.
- 17:56Like, there's something wrong with me. I could have taken that feedback,
- 17:59like, there's something wrong with me. I'm too nurturing. I need to stop being nurturing.
- 18:03And it would have turned off a really important part of myself.
- 18:08And I think it's also okay to not take every piece of feedback as gospel. Be aware.
- 18:17Be curious. Be open to where this could, you know, change the way you work in a positive way.
- 18:26Where there are some learnings for you that you have to be real about.
- 18:30Don't brush it all off. But if there's something that doesn't feel quite right,
- 18:35you don't have to let it land.
- 18:38You don't have to take it as gospel. You don't have to push back.
- 18:42There might be a moment if you take it away and you think about it and marinate
- 18:45on it and you want to provide feedback, you could bring it back.
- 18:49Once you've had some time and space to think about it, to articulate your thoughts
- 18:53about it, you could come back and say, listen, I really, I appreciate the feedback.
- 18:58I take it in and I'm being, I'm curious about it. I'm seeing where I could apply
- 19:04it. But ultimately, I do think this is a skill that is the reason why my team is staying.
- 19:10And I think my team, they're top performers, and nobody would question that.
- 19:15100%, my team were the top performers at the agency.
- 19:20And because I knew that they could see the effectiveness of this team and what
- 19:26I was able to do with this team and how we were able to kind of move things
- 19:30through the agency in a more efficient way because of the way we all worked.
- 19:35I don't think there would be any argument against that. And in fact,
- 19:39the conversation might have been a nice way for her to understand where being
- 19:43nurturing might actually have benefited her management style.
- 19:48So I could be curious about it and conscious of maybe I'm going overboard, maybe this is too much.
- 19:55So in that way, the curiosity and the openness is going to make me better.
- 20:01But it doesn't always make you better when you let it land and you make it about you
- 20:05and your personality and you spin it into something that is not a positive,
- 20:11all feedback is there to help you grow, to help you be better at your job.
- 20:17But it doesn't have to define who you are or mean that you're doing something wrong.
- 20:22And also, if it doesn't feel like it aligns with your values or who you are,
- 20:28it's also okay to kind of just park it.
- 20:32Maybe make it a discussion point later. But you don't have to take it all in.
- 20:37And I do think that's really important because I think if you're insecure or
- 20:41you're not feeling confident about your role and you get a piece of feedback,
- 20:45sometimes it can be enough to really crush you.
- 20:49So it's important to know who it's coming from. Are they a trusted source?
- 20:54Because if they're not, that's okay too. Like you don't have to take it all.
- 20:58And if they're kind of someone who you're like, I don't really see that the
- 21:04way they're doing it is better, right?
- 21:07I'm not sure that they're getting the results that I'm getting from the work
- 21:11that I'm doing, it's okay to kind of balance and equalize those things too.
- 21:18If I'm providing feedback to someone and I'm doing it in a way because I want
- 21:25them to grow and I want them to really move into their full potential,
- 21:31so I have to give them this feedback.
- 21:33It's really kind to give them this feedback so that they can grow and kind of step over this hurdle.
- 21:38And if there's a piece of that feedback that they're like, that just doesn't
- 21:43quite align with my values or the way I really want to do this work,
- 21:49and it was an open conversation, I would welcome that.
- 21:54So again, always look at this from the other side, the other side of the desk.
- 22:00So don't think that if you're parking a piece of feedback and then bringing
- 22:03it back for discussion, that that also means something bad.
- 22:08Because if you're on the other side of the table, if all of this is just an open.
- 22:14Conversation about curiosity and growth, there's no reason why the person providing
- 22:19the feedback wouldn't be open to understanding where you're coming from and
- 22:23why that piece of feedback didn't quite land.
- 22:26It's not about you. It's not about your personality. There's someone objectively
- 22:30watching the way you work. Okay, this is about the way you work.
- 22:34And they're providing you feedback as a gift so that when you move on from this
- 22:39company, you can also take that in and work on it and potentially step into
- 22:45a different space than you would have if you didn't receive the feedback.
- 22:48It's also nice to know where you stand with your manager so that you're not
- 22:52just running around in a hamster wheel like, is this what I'm supposed to be doing?
- 22:58So those feedback points are really key. And if you're not receiving feedback, I would ask for it.
- 23:03I would set an established meeting on the calendar to say, I'd love feedback, you know, in two weeks.
- 23:10Not right now. It's not really fair to be like, can you give me feedback right this second?
- 23:14Like, they might have some tough feedback to provide and they need some time to prepare for that.
- 23:21So, you know, put a meeting out in the future a ways, but definitely make sure
- 23:26that if you're not getting regular feedback that you're putting that on the
- 23:29calendar and vice versa.
- 23:31If you're a manager, make sure that you're providing that feedback at consistent
- 23:35points and then be open to the conversation.
- 23:40I hope that was helpful. Some of you are doing annual reviews,
- 23:44so this can be a helpful tool to use as you're preparing for annual reviews,
- 23:50either receiving or giving.
- 23:52And if you need help or your team needs help with annual reviews,
- 23:57it's something that I really love working on with teams because I do think it's such a critical moment.
- 24:03And to be able to put the time and effort and thought into annual reviews,
- 24:10because the thing as an employee that is the most discouraging is when your,
- 24:15manager doesn't prepare.
- 24:18Or you can tell It's super last minute.
- 24:20It just is not respectful of the work that you've been doing.
- 24:24So remember that these feedback points deserve time and thought so that you
- 24:31can deliver the information in a way that's going to be most effective.
- 24:35So I hope this was helpful. A little bit of a departure
- 24:39from some of the topics I've been focusing on lately, but I do think that this
- 24:43feedback piece is critical and it's one of the main ways that you can really step into,
- 24:52your leadership role either as an employee receiving the feedback like a leader
- 24:58or as a manager providing feedback as a leader it is a skill and it's worth putting time into,
- 25:06so i'm gonna leave it there and i will talk to you next week.