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Missing Girl's Mom Arrested as Mystery Deepens · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that you are just going about
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Speaker 1: your normal week.
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Speaker 2: Right. Just a regular day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You're running errands, picking up groceries. Maybe you,
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Speaker 1: you know, stop to grab a quick slice of pizza
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Speaker 1: for lunch. Sure. Now, I want you to imagine finding
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Speaker 1: out that a 10-year-old girl, someone who, you know, should
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Speaker 1: be playing outside, worrying about homework, complaining about bedtime, has
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Speaker 1: been missing for months. Wow. Like completely vanished from the
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Speaker 1: face of the earth. But the only reason anyone realized
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Speaker 1: she was gone, and not the police, not the public,
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Speaker 1: not even her own extended family, was because her mother
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Speaker 1: was stopped by police for allegedly shoplifting a pizza.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like the inciting incident of a movie, right?
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Speaker 2: Like a crime thriller.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
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Speaker 2: It's the accidental discovery that just blows a massive hidden
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Speaker 2: conspiracy wide open. But this isn't fiction at all. This
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Speaker 2: is a very real, currently unfolding situation that represents, honestly,
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Speaker 2: a catastrophic collapse Of the safety nets we all just
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Speaker 2: assume are always functioning in the background of our society. Right.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly our mission for today's deep dive.
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Speaker 1: We're looking into the really harrowing case of 10-year-old Gabrielle Terong,
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Speaker 1: who goes by Gabby to her loved ones.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: She's a little girl who hasn't been seen since June.
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Speaker 1: But nobody even knew to start looking for her until
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Speaker 1: this bizarre, highly combative arrest of her mother, Pasha Davis,
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Speaker 1: took place in October.
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Speaker 2: It's just wild. It is.
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Speaker 1: So we are going to unpack this entire timeline. We're
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Speaker 1: going to analyze the newly released body cam footage of
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Speaker 1: that arrest. And most importantly, we want to explore the
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Speaker 1: massive systemic blind spots that actually allow a child to
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Speaker 1: just vanish into thin air like this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're talking about the realities of severe housing instability,
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Speaker 2: the incredible bureaucratic hurdles of cross-jurisdictional police communication. And how
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Speaker 2: all those factors combine to let a 10-year-old simply fall
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Speaker 2: through the cracks completely unnoticed.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And it is so crucial that we approach this
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Speaker 1: deep dive with, you know, a heavily critical lens.
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Speaker 2: Right. Absolutely. It's very easy to look at a timeline
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Speaker 2: like this and just sort of consume it as a
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Speaker 2: standard true crime narrative, you know.
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Speaker 1: Right. Where you just look for the bad guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. We look for a villain, we look for
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Speaker 2: a victim, and we just wait for the authorities to
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Speaker 2: solve the puzzle. But doing that completely ignores the institutional
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Speaker 2: failures at play here.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: We really have to look past the immediate shock of
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Speaker 2: the events and ask ourselves why the systems specifically designed
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Speaker 2: to protect the most vulnerable members of our society completely
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Speaker 2: failed to register that a child was missing for an
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Speaker 2: entire season.
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Speaker 1: Right. A whole season. Okay. So let's unpack this right
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Speaker 1: from the beginning because we really have to start with
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Speaker 1: the bizarre catalyst that brought this nightmare out of the shadows.
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Speaker 2: That's the body cam footage. Exactly.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We are looking at police body cam footage from
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Speaker 1: October 17th in Margate, Florida. And, like, on its face,
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Speaker 1: it is a completely routine, everyday police call.
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Speaker 2: Right. It happens all the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. A manager at a local Dollar Tree reports a
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Speaker 1: woman matching a very specific description for shoplifting. She's wearing
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Speaker 1: all black, carrying a backpack, and she has these very distinct, like,
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Speaker 1: bright orange socks.
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Speaker 2: The orange socks are a big detail.
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Speaker 1: It's very specific, right? So the police spot a woman...
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Speaker 1: matching this exact description across the street, walking into a
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Speaker 1: Little Caesars pizza shop. The officer approaches her, and what
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Speaker 1: follows is, honestly, one of the most baffling interactions I've
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Speaker 1: ever seen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredibly tense right from the jump, and it
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Speaker 2: immediately becomes circular. The Margate police officer stops her and
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Speaker 2: essentially says, look, you matched the description of a shoplifter
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Speaker 2: to a T, and you've been caught red-handed with a pizza. Right.
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Speaker 2: He explains that he needs to detain her pending an
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Speaker 2: investigation into a possible theft and a battery that occurred
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Speaker 2: across the street at the Dollar Tree. And her response
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Speaker 2: is just immediate defiance.
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Speaker 1: She just shuts it down. Completely.
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Speaker 2: She refuses to provide her name. She claims someone stole
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Speaker 2: her ID at a bus terminal the day before. And
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Speaker 2: she repeatedly demands to, quote, read the law that allows
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Speaker 2: them to detain her without showing her video footage of
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Speaker 2: the alleged crime first.
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Speaker 1: This is where I have to point out the dark,
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Speaker 1: I mean, agonizing irony of this entire situation.
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: It's like seeing Al Capone go down for tax evasion,
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Speaker 1: but infinitely bleaker, you know?
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Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because think about it. You have successfully hidden a massive
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Speaker 1: dark secret, the disappearance of your own child. For months,
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Speaker 1: you have stayed entirely off the grid.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then you draw the attention of the entire state's
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Speaker 1: police force to yourself by arguing constitutional law over a
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Speaker 1: $ 2 slice of pizza.
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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: It really is. Like, if you know you have a
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Speaker 1: missing child or if you are hiding something about your child,
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Speaker 1: why in the world would you escalate a minor stop
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Speaker 1: into a full-blown arrest by refusing to give your name?
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Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
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Speaker 1: She demands a lawyer. She demands to read the statutes.
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Speaker 1: She claims she wasn't even at the Dollar Tree. and
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Speaker 1: that it's all just a random coincidence. It defies all
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Speaker 1: sense of self-preservation.
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Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating here is the intersection of, like, street-level
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Speaker 2: legal knowledge and psychological escalation.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean?
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Speaker 2: So in the body cam footage, the officer is actually
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Speaker 2: trying to explain a very specific foundational legal distinction to her.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to explain the difference between an investigative detention
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Speaker 2: and an arrest.
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Speaker 1: Right, which are two very different things.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. He clearly states, I didn't say you're under arrest.
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Speaker 2: He is executing what is known in the legal world
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Speaker 2: as As a Terry stop.
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Speaker 1: A Terry stop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Based on the 1968 Supreme Court case, Terry v. Ohio. Right.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Basically, police can briefly detain a person based on reasonable
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Speaker 2: suspicion of involvement in criminal activity. She matches the description
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Speaker 2: perfectly right down to those orange socks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't ignore the orange socks.
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Speaker 2: Right. So that provides the reasonable suspicion. The officer is
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Speaker 2: explaining that because she is only being detained for investigation,
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Speaker 2: she isn't entitled to a lawyer at that exact moment.
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Speaker 2: Because they aren't formally interrogating her about the crime itself yet.
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Speaker 2: They're literally just trying to establish her identity.
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Speaker 1: But she doesn't care about that nuance at all. She
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Speaker 1: just anchors herself to this idea that without video proof
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Speaker 1: in hand, they can't even touch her.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. And in Florida, as in, you know, many jurisdictions
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Speaker 2: across the country, refusing to identify oneself to law enforcement
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Speaker 2: during a lawful detention and become a completely separate, chargeable offense.
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Speaker 1: Wow. So she's making it worse.
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Speaker 2: Much worse. She becomes entirely fixated on the mechanical rules
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Speaker 2: of evidence, demanding to see the video rather than the
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Speaker 2: reality of the police encounter. Right. By refusing to simply
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Speaker 2: provide her name, she forces the officer's hands. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they can't just let an unidentified suspect in a theft
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Speaker 2: and battery walk away just because she refuses to cooperate.
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Speaker 2: They have to bring her in.
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Speaker 1: And the mechanics of how they finally identify her are
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Speaker 1: really crucial here, I think. She doesn't have an ID.
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Speaker 1: She won't give a name. So the police have to
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Speaker 1: use facial recognition software. Yes. Which immediately makes me think
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Speaker 1: about how reliant our justice system is on biometrics when
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Speaker 1: dealing with unhoused or transient populations. But that software only
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Speaker 1: works if you're already in the system, right?
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Speaker 2: That is a critical observation, yeah. Facial recognition in local
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Speaker 2: law enforcement usually runs against state databases. So Law to
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Speaker 2: Crime Information Center, driver's license registries, prior booking photos, things
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Speaker 2: like that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they run her face.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they run her face and it pings. She is
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Speaker 2: identified as Pasha Davis. And because she escalated things, she
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Speaker 2: ends up being charged with resisting an officer without violence
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Speaker 2: and falsely identifying oneself.
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Speaker 1: And the craziest part is the Dollar Tree didn't even
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Speaker 1: press charges for the pizza, right?
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The Dollar Tree actually declined prosecution for the theft itself,
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Speaker 2: though officers did find items she had been seen stashing
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Speaker 2: in some nearby bushes.
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Speaker 1: So if she had just given her name, and the
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Speaker 1: store didn't want to press charges, she very likely would
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Speaker 1: have just been told to leave the area. She would
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Speaker 1: have walked away. The system that eventually caught her was
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Speaker 1: entirely accidental. It was a net that she literally threw
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Speaker 1: herself into.
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Speaker 2: It really was. And that accidental safety net is honestly
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Speaker 2: a cornerstone of American law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, think about how many massive cases are cracked by
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Speaker 2: like a broken taillight or an expired registration or a
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Speaker 2: loitering charge.
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Speaker 1: Oh, right, right. Like Timothy McVeigh.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Timothy McVeigh was pulled over for a missing license
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Speaker 2: plate after the Oklahoma City bombing. Ted Bundy was stopped
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Speaker 2: for driving erratically. Right.
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Speaker 1: It's never the big crime that gets them initially.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Routine, low-level police encounters often serve as the unintentional
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Speaker 2: tripwires for massive hidden crimes. Her escalation forced the officers
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Speaker 2: to dig deeper, you know, to pull her out of
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Speaker 2: the shadows and plug her back into the grid. Wow.
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Speaker 2: And that grid connection is literally the only reason we
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Speaker 2: are talking about Gabrielle Tarong right now.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most horrifying revelation of all
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Speaker 1: of this. Because this wasn't just about figuring out who
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Speaker 1: Pasha Davis was. It was about the realization of who
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Speaker 1: was notably absent.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: When Pasha was sitting in the back of that police cruiser,
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Speaker 1: she didn't mention Gabby once.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: She didn't say, hey, I have a kid waiting for me. Or,
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Speaker 1: you know, I need to make a phone call to
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Speaker 1: check on my daughter.
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Speaker 2: Nothing. Complete silence on that front.
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Speaker 1: It took. Days for the dots to be connected.
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Speaker 2: And the timeline of those dots connecting is not just disturbing.
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Speaker 2: It is honestly a massive indictment of our social tracking systems.
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Speaker 1: Let's map out this timeline because this is where the
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Speaker 1: concept of becoming a ghost really starts to take shape.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So Gabby's father, Gordon, hasn't physically seen his daughter since May.
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Speaker 2: May. That is a long time ago. Right.
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Speaker 1: And the absolute last known verified sighting of 10-year-old Gabby
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Speaker 1: by anyone at all was in June at a Wal-Mart.
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Speaker 1: Let's really sit with that for a second.
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Speaker 2: June. It is staggering when you think about it. Right.
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Speaker 1: Gabby is seen in June. Pasha is arrested in Margate
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Speaker 1: on October 17th. Gordon, the father, doesn't even find out
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Speaker 1: about Pasha's arrest until October 29th.
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Speaker 2: Almost two weeks later.
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Speaker 1: That is almost two full weeks after the chaotic body
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Speaker 1: cam footage we just discussed. And it's not like he
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Speaker 1: got a phone call from the police, right?
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Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: He found out because he was frantically checking online databases,
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Speaker 1: trying to find a way to contact Pasha and Gabby.
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Speaker 1: And he just happened to stumble across her mugshot and
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Speaker 1: arrest record.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine?
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. When he realized Pasha was sitting in a
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Speaker 1: Broward County jail and Gabby was nowhere to be found,
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Speaker 1: he immediately contacted the police and family members to raise
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Speaker 1: the alarm.
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Speaker 2: So from June to late October, this 10-year-old child was
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Speaker 2: simply gone. And absolutely no one with any institutional power
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Speaker 2: was looking for her.
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Speaker 1: So what did this all mean for our safety nets?
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Speaker 1: Because this is what I keep getting stuck on. We
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Speaker 1: use the term missing child, but I want to aggressively
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Speaker 1: push back on that phrasing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, why is that?
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Speaker 1: Because a 10-year-old child does not usually just go missing
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Speaker 1: on their own accord. They don't pack a suitcase, empty
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Speaker 1: a bank account, and start a new life in another state.
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Speaker 2: Obviously not, yeah.
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Speaker 1: They are entirely dependent on adults. They are either intentionally
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Speaker 1: hidden or they are in the custody of someone who
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Speaker 1: is actively keeping them off the radar. My question is,
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Speaker 1: how does a 10-year-old miss the entire back-to-school season without
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Speaker 1: a single institutional red flag going up?
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Speaker 2: It's a huge question.
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Speaker 1: We have truancy laws in this country. We have teachers
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Speaker 1: who are mandatory reporters. We have the Department of Children
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Speaker 1: and Families, DCF. Where were the alarm bells in September?
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Speaker 2: Well, if we connect this to the bigger picture, we
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Speaker 2: really have to look closely at the insights provided by
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Speaker 2: law enforcement instructor Sanani Slaughter, who weighed in heavily on
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Speaker 2: this exact systemic failure.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Her analysis is great.
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Speaker 2: It really is. She points out that there are massive
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Speaker 2: craters in our society when it comes to tracking vulnerable children.
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Speaker 2: The timing of Gabby's last sighting is the critical variable here. Right, June.
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Speaker 2: Being last seen in June means the initial disappearance happened
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Speaker 2: right at the very beginning of the summer break.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see where this is going. July and August
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Speaker 1: basically provide this massive, natural, built-in cover.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. During the summer months, children are disconnected from their
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Speaker 2: primary point of societal observation, which is the public school system. Right. teachers,
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Speaker 2: school nurses, and counselors are historically the first lines of defense.
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Speaker 2: They are the ones who notice if a child is
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Speaker 2: unkempt or consistently hungry, acting erratically, or suddenly absent.
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Speaker 1: Because they see them every day.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. But during summer vacation, that daily mandatory check-in just vanishes.
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Speaker 2: The safety net goes dormant. However, your point about September
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Speaker 2: is the real crux of the failure here. Yeah. When
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Speaker 2: the new school year rolled around and Gabby didn't show
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Speaker 2: up for a new semester, that should have triggered an
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Speaker 2: immediate automated response.
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Speaker 1: I have to interject here because the logistics of this
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Speaker 1: just blew my mind. We live in a world where
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Speaker 1: I can track a $ 5 package from a warehouse in
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Speaker 1: another country to my front porch in like Real time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right down to the minute.
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Speaker 1: You're telling me there is no centralized database that flags
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Speaker 1: when a 10-year-old citizen just stops attending school?
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Speaker 2: That is exactly the blind spot. Education in the United
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Speaker 2: States is fiercely localized.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. There is no central national registry that tracks
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Speaker 2: a child's enrollment from state to state or even county
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Speaker 2: to county in real time. When a family is transient,
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Speaker 2: moving between districts or living off the grid entirely, the
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Speaker 2: administrative paperwork just evaporates. A school district in one county
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Speaker 2: might note that a child didn't return. But if the
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Speaker 2: parent previously mentioned moving, or if they just abandoned their
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Speaker 2: previous dress, the school often just assumes the child transferred
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Speaker 2: to another district.
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Speaker 1: It's like the ultimate bureaucratic shrug. Well, they probably moved.
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Speaker 1: It's someone else's jurisdiction now.
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Speaker 2: Exactly that. It gets coded as a withdrawal rather than
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Speaker 2: a dropout or a truancy issue. And Sonani Slaughter emphasizes
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Speaker 2: that this reveals how intensely vulnerable children can be Completely unseen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: If a child is not consistently enrolled in a local system,
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Speaker 2: and if the parent is actively avoiding authorities, the institutional
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Speaker 2: safety nets you mentioned, like DCF or local truancy officers,
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Speaker 2: have absolutely no starting point.
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Speaker 1: Because they don't even know she's there.
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Speaker 2: They don't know to look for a child they don't
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Speaker 2: know exists within their specific geographical boundaries. Now, the McKinney-Vento
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Speaker 2: Act is supposed to ensure educational continuity for unhoused children,
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Speaker 2: but it heavily relies on the parents engaging with the system.
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Speaker 1: And if they don't engage... If.
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Speaker 2: The parent unplugs from the system in June by September,
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Speaker 2: that child is administratively invisible.
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Speaker 1: My immediate thought, though, is that even if you aren't
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Speaker 1: tied to a school building, you still exist in the
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Speaker 1: physical world, right?
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Like you can't survive without food, without shelter, without walking
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Speaker 1: down a street at some point. My hypothesis is that
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Speaker 1: to remain this hidden, they must have been completely isolated
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Speaker 1: indoors somewhere.
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Speaker 2: But we know that wasn't the case.
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Speaker 1: Right. If they were transient, if they were out in
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Speaker 1: the world, how does a mother and daughter become so
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Speaker 1: invisible that neighbors, community members, and passing police officers don't
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Speaker 1: notice a child hasn't been seen for months?
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Speaker 2: To understand the mechanics of that invisibility, we have to
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Speaker 2: look directly at the living situation of Pasha and Gabby,
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Speaker 2: which brings us to the severe and frankly often ignored
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Speaker 2: realities of extreme poverty and housing instability.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that background because it is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: Pasha and Gabby were dealing with severe housing instability. We
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Speaker 1: know from interviews with Gabby's aunt that they were frequently unhoused.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, constantly moving.
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Speaker 1: And the aunt described this specific horrific incident from last
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Speaker 1: year where she found 10-year-old Gabby sleeping on a cardboard
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Speaker 1: mat in a dirty alleyway.
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Speaker 2: You really have to imagine the sheer vulnerability of a
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Speaker 2: child in that environment.
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Speaker 1: I can't even fathom it.
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Speaker 2: The exposure to the elements, to predators, to disease.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. The aunt was so alarmed that she actually
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Speaker 1: tried to legally gain custody of Gabby because of Posh's behavior,
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Speaker 1: which she explicitly described as erratic.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But she was unsuccessful in the family court system. And
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Speaker 1: this plays right into what Sonani Slaughter was talking about
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Speaker 1: regarding the public perception of homelessness.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the stigma.
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Speaker 1: Slaughter notes that people often have this psychological barrier, a
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Speaker 1: defense mechanism, really, when they see unhoused individuals on the street.
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Speaker 1: They tell themselves that would never be me or that
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Speaker 1: would never be my children.
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Speaker 2: It creates a necessary psychological distance for the passerby. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you fully acknowledge the humanity and the immediate danger
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Speaker 2: of every person sleeping on the street, the world just
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Speaker 2: becomes too painful to navigate. So people build a mental wall.
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Speaker 1: But the consequence of that mental wall is that society
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Speaker 1: actively looks away. We avert our eyes when we walk
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Speaker 1: past a tent encampment or someone sleeping on a bench.
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Speaker 2: Always.
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Speaker 1: And ironically... That very act of looking away, which is
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Speaker 1: born out of our own discomfort or stigma, actually aids
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Speaker 1: in the concealment of vulnerable children. We aren't just ignoring poverty.
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Speaker 1: We are providing cover for disappearance.
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Speaker 2: It is a devastating paradox. Here's where it.
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Speaker 1: Gets really interesting to me conceptually. I want to introduce
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Speaker 1: an analogy here.
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Speaker 2: OK, let's hear it.
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Speaker 1: Think of the societal safety net as like a regional
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Speaker 1: cellular network. When you are a family living in a
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Speaker 1: stable home, going to a local school, having a pediatrician,
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Speaker 1: you are constantly pinging the cell towers. You have a
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Speaker 1: strong signal.
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Speaker 2: Right. You're on the grid.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. If the signal drops, someone notices. But when a
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Speaker 1: family becomes unhoused and transient, they move out of the
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Speaker 1: coverage zone completely. The safety net drops the call. But
17:36
Speaker 1: what's fascinating is this creates two completely different types of invisibility,
17:40
Speaker 1: social invisibility versus physical invisibility.
17:43
Speaker 2: Explain how you see the difference in this context. Well.
17:46
Speaker 1: When you are unhoused, you actually become hyper visible to
17:50
Speaker 1: law enforcement for nuisance infractions, right?
17:52
Speaker 2: Yes.
17:53
Speaker 1: You are living your private life in public spaces. So
17:56
Speaker 1: you are infinitely more likely to be stopped for loitering,
17:59
Speaker 1: for trespassing behind a building, or in Pasha's case, allegedly
18:04
Speaker 1: shoplifting a pizza.
18:05
Speaker 2: Right. You're out in the open.
18:06
Speaker 1: You are physically very visible to the punitive systems of
18:10
Speaker 1: our society. But at the exact same time, you are
18:14
Speaker 1: completely socially invisible to the protective systems.
18:17
Speaker 2: Wow.
18:18
Speaker 1: The system that arrests you for stealing food is hyper-aware
18:21
Speaker 1: of your physical location. But the system that is supposed
18:24
Speaker 1: to make sure your 10-year-old isn't sleeping on a cardboard
18:26
Speaker 1: mat in an alley doesn't even know your name.
18:29
Speaker 2: That is a brilliant way to frame the systemic dysfunction, honestly.
18:32
Speaker 2: And it perfectly encapsulates the logistical nightmare this creates for
18:36
Speaker 2: the investigators currently trying to find Gabby.
18:38
Speaker 1: Right.
18:39
Speaker 2: Because they were living off the grid without a fixed address,
18:41
Speaker 2: The standard police playbook just goes out the window. Detectives
18:45
Speaker 2: can't just go knock on their front door and ask
18:47
Speaker 2: the neighbors when they last saw the little girl playing
18:49
Speaker 2: in the yard.
18:50
Speaker 1: Because there is no yard.
18:51
Speaker 2: Exactly. There are no neighbors in the traditional sense. There
18:54
Speaker 2: is no landlord to interview.
18:56
Speaker 1: You can't just pull the ring doorbell camera footage from
18:59
Speaker 1: the house next door to see what time they left.
19:01
Speaker 2: No, exactly. The modern conveniences of criminal investigation just don't apply.
19:06
Speaker 2: So law enforcement is forced into what Sonani Slaughter calls
19:09
Speaker 2: heavy street groundwork.
19:12
Speaker 1: Which means what, exactly?
19:13
Speaker 2: They have to manually retrace erratic, undocumented steps. Detectives have
19:19
Speaker 2: to physically go to homeless shelters, food banks, and bus
19:23
Speaker 2: terminals and ask transient individuals if they recognize a photo
19:27
Speaker 2: of a woman and a child.
19:29
Speaker 1: That's got to be so tedious.
19:30
Speaker 2: It is. They have to organize search parties to clear
19:33
Speaker 2: abandoned lots and search the interiors of vacant, boarded-up buildings.
19:38
Speaker 2: They have to spend countless hours reviewing whatever municipal street
19:41
Speaker 2: camera footage they can legally access, just hoping to catch
19:44
Speaker 2: a glimpse of an orange sock or a specific backpack.
19:47
Speaker 1: It's needle in a haystack work, but the haystack is constant. moving.
19:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. And Slaughter made a very poignant socioeconomic point about
19:54
Speaker 2: America's vacant buildings during her analysis.
19:57
Speaker 1: Oh, right.
19:58
Speaker 2: She noted that we have millions of empty, unused structures
20:01
Speaker 2: in this country that could theoretically be refurbished. She suggests
20:05
Speaker 2: that if we acted collectively, no one, especially not a
20:09
Speaker 2: vulnerable child, would ever have to sleep outside on a
20:11
Speaker 2: cardboard mat.
20:12
Speaker 1: It's so true.
20:13
Speaker 2: She is really challenging the public to radically reconsider how
20:17
Speaker 2: they view transient populations in their own neighborhoods. When we
20:21
Speaker 2: ignore the unhoused because they make us uncomfortable, we might
20:25
Speaker 2: be ignoring a child in grave, immediate danger.
20:28
Speaker 1: And because Pasha and Gabby were unhoused, it meant they
20:30
Speaker 1: were constantly on the move.
20:32
Speaker 2: Yes, very transient.
20:33
Speaker 1: They weren't just staying in one alleyway in one city.
20:36
Speaker 1: The map of this investigation is absolutely staggering. We have
20:40
Speaker 1: to look at the geographic hurdles because they are actively
20:43
Speaker 1: working against the detectives right now.
20:45
Speaker 2: It is a jurisdictional nightmare of the highest order.
20:48
Speaker 1: Let's map this out for a second. We know from
20:51
Speaker 1: detectives in Ocala, Florida, that the family frequented an area
20:54
Speaker 1: around West U.S. Highway 192. For those who know the area,
20:58
Speaker 1: this is a strip known for having a high concentration
21:01
Speaker 1: of transient motels. often referred to as the hidden homeless
21:05
Speaker 1: population living in the shadow of the Orlando theme parks.
21:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a known hotspot.
21:10
Speaker 1: But the last known sighting of them traveling together was
21:13
Speaker 1: getting off a public Greyhound bus at the Florida Mall
21:17
Speaker 1: in Orlando. They were known to frequently use Greyhound or
21:21
Speaker 1: the budget flex bus lines to travel back and forth
21:24
Speaker 1: between South Florida and Central Florida.
21:26
Speaker 2: The logistics of that specific route, the I-4 corridor connecting
21:30
Speaker 2: Central and South Florida... are incredibly complex for law enforcement.
21:34
Speaker 1: Oh, so.
21:34
Speaker 2: You are talking about hundreds of miles of highway crossing
21:38
Speaker 2: through multiple, massive, heavily populated counties. Orange County, Osceola County,
21:43
Speaker 2: Palm Beach, Broward.
21:45
Speaker 1: And they all have their own police reps.
21:46
Speaker 2: Exactly. Each of these counties has its own distinct sheriff's office,
21:50
Speaker 2: and within them, dozens of independent municipal police departments.
21:54
Speaker 1: So you have a cross-county investigation in one of the
21:57
Speaker 1: most populous states in the country. This requires an agency
22:00
Speaker 1: in South Florida, like Margate PD, to somehow perfectly share
22:05
Speaker 1: resources and information with an agency in central Florida.
22:09
Speaker 2: Right.
22:09
Speaker 1: They have to issue BELO's B on the lookout alerts
22:13
Speaker 1: across multiple jurisdictions.
22:15
Speaker 2: And the mechanism of a BELO is heavily misunderstood by
22:18
Speaker 2: the public, honestly.
22:19
Speaker 1: I think people just assume it's like a mass text.
22:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. People assume that if a detective in Orlando
22:25
Speaker 2: hits a button, every police computer in the state flashes
22:28
Speaker 2: with the suspect's face. Right. But local police departments operate
22:32
Speaker 2: on disparate computer-aided dispatch, or CAD, systems. They don't all
22:37
Speaker 2: talk to each other seamlessly.
22:38
Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I didn't know that.
22:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. A below sent via teletype might be read at
22:43
Speaker 2: a morning roll call in one county, but missed by
22:45
Speaker 2: a patrol officer logging on mid-shift in another county entirely.
22:49
Speaker 1: That is terrifying. It is.
22:51
Speaker 2: This fragmented communication is why state-level agencies like the Florida
22:55
Speaker 2: Department of Law Enforcement, the FDLE, and ultimately the FBI
22:58
Speaker 2: have to be brought in to coordinate the data sharing.
23:01
Speaker 1: And the stakes for that coordination couldn't be higher. Both
23:05
Speaker 1: the family and experts like Slaughter have publicly voiced their
23:08
Speaker 1: darkest fears regarding this specific geographic corridor.
23:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trafficking aspect.
23:14
Speaker 1: Exactly. The incredibly high rate of child trafficking in Florida.
23:19
Speaker 1: The state consistently ranks among the highest in the nation
23:22
Speaker 1: for human trafficking cases, partly due to its transient tourist
23:26
Speaker 1: population and those major interstate highways.
23:29
Speaker 2: It's a huge problem.
23:31
Speaker 1: Slaughter pointed out a terrifying reality. Unless Gabby's physical appearance
23:35
Speaker 1: has been significantly purposefully altered, or unless she has been
23:39
Speaker 1: trafficked and hidden away behind locked doors, someone in the
23:43
Speaker 1: public should have spotted a 10-year-old girl by now.
23:46
Speaker 2: The trafficking aspect is definitely the most horrifying possibility, and
23:50
Speaker 2: it's exactly why the FDLE's involvement is so critical. They
23:53
Speaker 2: have dedicated task forces for human trafficking that handle statewide coordination,
23:58
Speaker 2: bypassing the local CAD system limitations we just discussed.
24:01
Speaker 1: But this is where I want to push back on
24:02
Speaker 1: the fundamental premise of their disappearance. We live in the
24:05
Speaker 1: year 2024. This is an era of unprecedented digital surveillance.
24:10
Speaker 1: I can check an app on my phone and see
24:12
Speaker 1: exactly which intersection my pizza delivery driver is currently stopped at.
24:15
Speaker 2: Sure.
24:17
Speaker 1: How does a mother and daughter traveling on highly public
24:20
Speaker 1: interstate transit like a Greyhound bus evade the digital and
24:24
Speaker 1: physical footprint necessary to track them down? You have to
24:28
Speaker 1: buy a bus ticket. You have to exist in commercial
24:31
Speaker 1: spaces littered with high definition security cameras. How do they
24:34
Speaker 1: just vanish from the grid?
24:36
Speaker 2: This raises a really important question about the actual limitations
24:40
Speaker 2: of our modern surveillance state.
24:41
Speaker 1: Right.
24:42
Speaker 2: We assume everything is tracked because our own middle class
24:45
Speaker 2: lives are tracked. But our lives are tracked because we
24:47
Speaker 2: actively opt into the financial and social systems that track us.
24:51
Speaker 1: We use credit cards for everything. We carry smartphones with
24:53
Speaker 1: GPS chips in our pockets all day long.
24:55
Speaker 2: Exactly. But dealing with a transient population, particularly one actively
25:00
Speaker 2: avoiding detection, is entirely different. If you are unhoused, you
25:05
Speaker 2: operate almost entirely in a cash economy.
25:07
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense.
25:08
Speaker 2: You might not have a consistent contracted cell phone plan. Instead,
25:13
Speaker 2: you use prepaid burner phones bought with cash at a
25:16
Speaker 2: gas station, which can be easily discarded and replaced without
25:19
Speaker 2: ever tying a name to the number.
25:21
Speaker 1: Like in the movies.
25:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And remember, in the body cam footage, Pasha
25:25
Speaker 2: claimed someone stole her ID at a bus terminal.
25:27
Speaker 1: Right, right.
25:28
Speaker 2: Whether that was a lie to avoid giving her name
25:31
Speaker 2: or the truth, It highlights a stark reality. People living
25:36
Speaker 2: on the extreme margins often don't have the standard state-issued documentation,
25:40
Speaker 2: the banking apps, or the digital anchors that police rely
25:43
Speaker 2: on to track movements. You cannot ping a cell phone
25:46
Speaker 2: tower for location data if the suspect doesn't own a
25:49
Speaker 2: cell phone. You cannot track a bank statement or a
25:51
Speaker 2: digital wallet if they are paying for a Greyhound bus
25:54
Speaker 2: ticket in crumpled $ 20 bills.
25:56
Speaker 1: That is incredibly illuminating. The very things that make their
25:59
Speaker 1: daily lives so difficult and precarious. The complete lack of
26:03
Speaker 1: banking access, the lack of permanent communication, the lack of
26:06
Speaker 1: state identification are the exact things that make them nearly
26:10
Speaker 1: impossible for a modern detective to find. Their marginalization is
26:14
Speaker 1: literally their camouflage. It is.
26:16
Speaker 2: And this is exactly why Sinani Slaughter emphasizes that massive
26:20
Speaker 2: media attention is not just helpful, it is a vital,
26:23
Speaker 2: irreplaceable tool in these specific types of cases.
26:27
Speaker 1: Because they need people.
26:28
Speaker 2: Yes. When you lack digital footprints, you have to replace
26:32
Speaker 2: them with human footprints. You have to rely on human eyes.
26:36
Speaker 2: You need the local and national news to broadcast Gabby's
26:39
Speaker 2: face so widely, so relentlessly, that a cashier at a
26:43
Speaker 2: gas station in Kissimmee or a janitor at a bus
26:46
Speaker 2: terminal in Orlando remembers seeing her.
26:49
Speaker 1: It crowdsources the investigation.
26:51
Speaker 2: Exactly. Media attention forces the communication between jurisdictions that the
26:55
Speaker 2: computer systems fail to do. It ensures that a beat
26:58
Speaker 2: cop in Orlando knows about a missing kid from Margate
27:01
Speaker 2: because they saw it on the evening news in the
27:02
Speaker 2: break room. Right. It turns the general public into the
27:05
Speaker 2: active eyes and ears of the investigation. And perhaps most importantly,
27:09
Speaker 2: if someone else does have Gabby, if she has been
27:11
Speaker 2: trafficked or handed off, massive media coverage radically alters the
27:15
Speaker 2: risk-reward matrix for the perpetrator.
27:16
Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
27:17
Speaker 2: It warns potential predators that the authorities and the entire
27:21
Speaker 2: public are watching for this specific child. It makes holding
27:24
Speaker 2: her an extreme liability.
27:26
Speaker 1: That makes total sense. You have to flood the zone
27:28
Speaker 1: with her image to compensate for the lack of data.
27:31
Speaker 2: Exactly.
27:32
Speaker 1: But even with all that vast search area established across
27:35
Speaker 1: the state, and all the local, state, and federal jurisdictions involved,
27:39
Speaker 1: the entire focus of this massive apparatus ultimately narrows back
27:43
Speaker 1: down to one single point. One person who holds the
27:47
Speaker 1: actual map to Gabby's location in her head. But she
27:51
Speaker 1: absolutely refuses to speak.
27:52
Speaker 2: The mother. Pasha Davis. Yes.
27:54
Speaker 1: Yes. Let's detail her actions post-arrest, because this is where
27:58
Speaker 1: the legal standstill gets incredibly frustrating from an investigative standpoint.
28:02
Speaker 2: Very frustrating.
28:03
Speaker 1: After her initial arrest on October 17th over the Dollar
28:06
Speaker 1: Tree Pizza incident, she remained in custody. Yeah. On October 31st,
28:10
Speaker 1: detectives conducted a jailhouse interview with her, specifically regarding Gabby.
28:15
Speaker 1: During that interview, she explicitly claimed that Gabby was safely
28:18
Speaker 1: with her father, Gordon.
28:19
Speaker 2: Which, as we have already established, was a complete fabrication.
28:23
Speaker 2: Gordon was the one desperately searching for them and contacting
28:26
Speaker 2: the authorities.
28:27
Speaker 1: Right. The police quickly investigated that claim and found zero
28:31
Speaker 1: evidence to support it. But the timeline gets even more convoluted.
28:35
Speaker 1: After that interview, Pasha actually managed to bond out of
28:38
Speaker 1: jail on a $ 100, 000 bond. Wow. However, she wasn't free
28:42
Speaker 1: for long. She was rearrested just days later. This time,
28:46
Speaker 1: the charges escalated dramatically because they proved her claims about
28:51
Speaker 1: the father were false. And because she could not produce
28:53
Speaker 1: the child, she was charged with child neglect, which is
28:56
Speaker 1: a third-degree felony in the state of Florida.
28:59
Speaker 2: A charge that carries significant prison time, yet the child
29:01
Speaker 2: remains entirely unaccounted for.
29:03
Speaker 1: Exactly. So this brings us to a crucial hearing in
29:07
Speaker 1: a Broward County courtroom. During this hearing, her defense attorney
29:11
Speaker 1: stands up and claims she's completely innocent of the neglect
29:14
Speaker 1: charges and intends to aggressively fight them. Meanwhile, exasperated officials
29:19
Speaker 1: in the courtroom note for the record that she hasn't
29:22
Speaker 1: given any piece of verifiable information, nothing whatsoever, about the
29:26
Speaker 1: last time she saw her own child.
29:28
Speaker 2: It's maddening.
29:29
Speaker 1: Now we have to add a major complicating layer to this.
29:33
Speaker 1: Pasha has well-documented known mental health issues. Gabby's aunt mentioned
29:37
Speaker 1: in interviews that Pasha had previously... been Baker Acted.
29:41
Speaker 2: For listeners outside of Florida, the Baker Act is a
29:44
Speaker 2: really crucial piece of context here.
29:46
Speaker 1: Let's break that down, actually. The Baker Act, formerly the
29:49
Speaker 1: Florida Mental Health Act of 1971, allows authorities, doctors, or
29:53
Speaker 1: mental health professionals to place an individual under an involuntary
29:57
Speaker 1: psychiatric hold. usually for up to 72 hours, if they
30:01
Speaker 1: are deemed a serious immediate danger to themselves or others
30:04
Speaker 1: due to a mental illness.
30:05
Speaker 2: Right.
30:05
Speaker 1: It means she has a history of severe psychiatric instability.
30:09
Speaker 1: Because of this documented history and her current erratic behavior,
30:13
Speaker 1: she has a competency hearing scheduled for November 26th.
30:16
Speaker 2: That competency hearing is going to be the absolute pivot
30:19
Speaker 2: point for the future of this entire case. It will
30:21
Speaker 2: dictate every move law enforcement can make moving forward.
30:24
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for the investigation right now?
30:27
Speaker 1: I want to ask you to weigh in on the tactics.
30:29
Speaker 1: But first, I want to ask you, the listener, to
30:32
Speaker 1: put yourself in the shoes of a parent for a moment.
30:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, just imagine it.
30:36
Speaker 1: Just imagine the scenario. Even if your child was safely
30:39
Speaker 1: with someone else and there was just a massive misunderstanding
30:42
Speaker 1: by the police, wouldn't you use every single camera in
30:46
Speaker 1: that courtroom to shout their location?
30:48
Speaker 2: Of course you would.
30:49
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you use every microphone shoved in your face to
30:52
Speaker 1: beg the public to help find them? The absolute silence
30:56
Speaker 1: from Pasha is deafening. It runs counter to every parental instinct.
31:01
Speaker 1: So from an investigative standpoint, how do detectives break through
31:05
Speaker 1: a wall of silence like this, especially when they are
31:08
Speaker 1: dealing with a suspect who has a documented history of
31:11
Speaker 1: severe mental instability?
31:12
Speaker 2: It is arguably one of the most complex and difficult
31:15
Speaker 2: situations law enforcement can face, honestly, because you have to
31:18
Speaker 2: constantly synthesize legal pressure and with the unpredictable psychological reality
31:23
Speaker 2: of the suspect. Tactically, in a standard case, law enforcement
31:27
Speaker 2: will try to use the charges as leverage. They have
31:30
Speaker 2: her on a third-degree felony for child neglect. A seasoned
31:33
Speaker 2: detective might try to cut a deal, you know.
31:36
Speaker 1: Like a plea bargain?
31:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. They'd say, give us verifiable information right now that
31:40
Speaker 2: leads to Gabby's safe return, tell us exactly where you
31:43
Speaker 2: left her, and we will work with the district attorney
31:45
Speaker 2: to reduce or drop these felony charges. They try to
31:49
Speaker 2: appeal to her rational self-interest.
31:51
Speaker 1: But I have to challenge that premise.
31:53
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
31:53
Speaker 1: If she is genuinely experiencing a severe mental health crisis,
31:58
Speaker 1: if she is operating under delusions or extreme paranoia, does
32:01
Speaker 1: a rational legal deal even appeal to her? Can she
32:05
Speaker 1: even process the concept of plea leverage?
32:08
Speaker 2: That is exactly the friction point. And that is why
32:11
Speaker 2: the November 26th competency hearing is the bottleneck for the
32:14
Speaker 2: entire justice system here. Oh. We operate under what's called
32:18
Speaker 2: the Dusky Standard in the United States, which dictates that
32:21
Speaker 2: a defendant must have a rational and factual understanding of
32:23
Speaker 2: the proceedings against them and the ability to consult with
32:26
Speaker 2: their lawyer.
32:27
Speaker 1: The Dusky Standard.
32:28
Speaker 2: Right. If the evaluating psychiatrist determines she is legally incompetent
32:33
Speaker 2: to stand trial, it means she literally doesn't understand the
32:36
Speaker 2: gravity of the legal proceedings.
32:38
Speaker 1: So what happens then?
32:39
Speaker 2: At that point, the criminal case essentially stalls. She would
32:43
Speaker 2: likely be transferred to a state psychiatric facility for treatment
32:47
Speaker 2: to try and restore her competency. You cannot legally negotiate
32:50
Speaker 2: a plea deal with someone who is deemed incompetent. It
32:54
Speaker 2: basically paralyzes the prosecutorial leverage.
32:57
Speaker 1: So the legal engine just turns off while a 10-year-old
32:59
Speaker 1: is missing.
33:00
Speaker 2: Legally, yes. I mean, the investigation continues, obviously, but the
33:04
Speaker 2: direct pressure on the mother halts. And from a historical
33:07
Speaker 2: and criminal analysis standpoint, when a mother utterly refuses to
33:11
Speaker 2: cooperate in the disappearance of her own child and maintains
33:14
Speaker 2: that silence over a long period, the statistical outcomes are
33:18
Speaker 2: incredibly grim.
33:19
Speaker 1: Really grim.
33:20
Speaker 2: We have seen this in high-profile cases before. The silence
33:22
Speaker 2: is usually a mechanism of self-preservation masking a tragedy.
33:26
Speaker 1: It's a terrifying thought. It is.
33:28
Speaker 2: But the American justice system is fundamentally built on the
33:31
Speaker 2: presumption of innocence. Pasha Davis has a constitutional right to
33:35
Speaker 2: remain silent. And her defense attorney is simply doing his
33:39
Speaker 2: ethical job by asserting her innocence and shielding her from self-incrimination.
33:43
Speaker 1: Right. That's how the system works.
33:45
Speaker 2: But as a society looking at a missing child, we
33:48
Speaker 2: have to desperately balance that constitutional presumption of innocence with
33:52
Speaker 2: the terrifying reality of her silence. Her refusal to speak
33:56
Speaker 2: could be rooted in a severe, untreated mental illness. It
34:00
Speaker 2: could be rooted in profound fear of whoever actually has
34:03
Speaker 2: the child. Or it could be rooted in ultimate guilt.
34:07
Speaker 2: The upcoming competency hearing could completely stall the legal engine
34:11
Speaker 2: of this case for months, or it might be the
34:13
Speaker 2: catalyst that finally forces a breakthrough.
34:15
Speaker 1: We just don't know yet.
34:16
Speaker 2: No. But the tragic reality is that every single day
34:19
Speaker 2: that passes in courtroom debates is another day a 10-year-old
34:22
Speaker 2: girl is left out in the cold, totally unaccounted for.
34:25
Speaker 1: It is an incredibly heavy reality to sit with. And
34:28
Speaker 1: because the system relies so heavily on the public to
34:31
Speaker 1: fill in these massive craters, We want to make sure
34:34
Speaker 1: we recap the most vital actionable information for you right now.
34:37
Speaker 2: Yes, this is important.
34:38
Speaker 1: As Sonani Slaughter said, the public has to be the
34:41
Speaker 1: active eyes and ears when the digital grid fails. The
34:44
Speaker 1: FBI is currently offering a $ 5, 000 reward for any verifiable
34:49
Speaker 1: information leading to Gabby's whereabouts.
34:51
Speaker 2: And we must urgently reiterate the desperate plea made by
34:54
Speaker 2: Sonani Slaughter to anyone who might be on the periphery
34:56
Speaker 2: of this situation. Yeah. If someone out there currently has
34:59
Speaker 2: Gabby and they are afraid of the legal consequences of
35:02
Speaker 2: coming forward after all this time, they can simply drop
35:05
Speaker 2: her off at a safe location.
35:07
Speaker 1: Like where?
35:08
Speaker 2: A hospital emergency room, a local fire station, a crowded
35:11
Speaker 2: grocery store. No questions asked in that immediate moment, just
35:15
Speaker 2: ensuring the survival and physical safety of a 10-year-old girl.
35:19
Speaker 2: Getting her back into the light is the absolute priority
35:21
Speaker 2: above all legal consequences right now.
35:24
Speaker 1: Absolutely. As we wrap up this deep dive into the
35:27
Speaker 1: disappearance of Gabby Terong, I want to leave you with
35:29
Speaker 1: a final thought to ponder on your own. We spend
35:33
Speaker 1: so much of our time relying on the justice system
35:35
Speaker 1: to solve crimes after the damage is already done.
35:38
Speaker 2: Right. We are very reactive.
35:39
Speaker 1: We wait for the police to act. We wait for
35:41
Speaker 1: the courts to rule. But this case forces us to
35:44
Speaker 1: ask a much harder, much more uncomfortable question about our
35:47
Speaker 1: own culture.
35:49
Speaker 2: What is that?
35:50
Speaker 1: What is the true cost of a society that only
35:53
Speaker 1: pays attention to its most vulnerable citizens when they become
35:56
Speaker 1: a nuisance? When they are accused of stealing a $ 2
35:59
Speaker 1: slice of pizza.
36:00
Speaker 2: It's a profound, honestly unsettling question. The safety systems were
36:04
Speaker 2: entirely blind to a 10-year-old suffering in disappearance for months.
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Speaker 2: But the punitive system was hyper-focused on a minor property
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Speaker 2: crime the moment it occurred.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Where does our kingdom responsibility begin? Long before the
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Speaker 1: police were ever called. If we only see the unhoused
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Speaker 1: when they are blocking our path or making us uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: we are actively blinding ourselves to the tragedies happening right
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Speaker 1: in front of us. Thank you for joining us on
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Speaker 1: this deep dive. Keep your eyes open, keep your minds engaged,
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Speaker 1: and let's all hope for Gabby's safe return.