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Beetlejuice · The Art of Costume Podcast

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I sent one Nona and Gina down to Brenda's to be measured these
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days. Everyone free factors so
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preciously, but I generally don't like to work on films that
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have a dresser for that star because it gets so fucked up.
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I just said, here's the address, can you go down there and see
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this? Woman.
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I didn't want to go. That is a weird quote, hello and
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welcome to cast. I most enjoy glass and I'm I
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can't say my name but if you say it three times I will do this
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podcast with you. Sure.
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Spencer. You know what?
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Spencer, I actually have something I want to discuss with
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you. One more time, I heard something
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funny last week. Let's look when I was listening
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to the White Lotus episode. I didn't quite recognize who you
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got to do that interview. It was, it was a lord of some
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sort. Yeah, that's me.
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Lord Spencer. Elizabeth you can't you can't
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leave me alone if I guessed I just I wonder why you just
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continue this delusion. Spencer.
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What's up Elizabeth? We haven't seen each other and a
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long-ass time. No, I know I visited my sister
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up in Maine and we did we we actually didn't do a lot of meny
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things so it's really hot. Yeah.
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So I was Kind of hoping we'd like to go to the beach or like
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because they live in Portland. So I was like will go to the
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beach and then we got up there and I was just so freaking hot.
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Yeah gross my sister was like no we're not doing that.
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Her fiance was like no it's too hot.
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Like, and that, you know, like they have like animals and stuff
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and he kept feeling like he just, I can't leave the like I
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can't leave the chickens alone like, yeah, it's really very
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fragile creatures. Cans.
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Um I relate yeah I did get to eat like a lot of good food
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though and I bought like overpriced spices and salt sand
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like a dessert wine but actually the dessert wine was not
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overpriced but I definitely bought overpriced salt and
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celebrate a birthday, happy birthday and thank you.
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I know. Did he like go out clubbing or
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anything? No, I worked.
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It worked. Every one of my job was like Why
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are you here? And I was like, I just took off
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like a very long weekend, like I need money, but let's do this.
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I mean, if they hear us every week but you know, we actually
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haven't seen each other in a long time, but so many things
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seem to like gone by since we last talked to me you did that,
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amazing interview of Danny glicker in which was so good.
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So good. I love that Elizabeth.
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I thought that was such a fun interview such a An interview,
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he's like amazing to talk to and he just he, you can tell him
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that she loves his job and like what he does.
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Great, it was fantastic. I did the White Lotus interview
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we talked about. Nope.
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Also, just crazy since I have no busy wild and your interviews
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were incredible and I'm like, I can't believe both of those were
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done by the same person. It's insane one right after the
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other like that sounds so crazy. I don't know, right?
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Right. And yes, so much happened.
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So many designers, I did a hacks interview.
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I did a Witcher interview. You've done a lot a lot.
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Yeah. The bullet train which will may
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or may not be out yet, I don't know.
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But so much. We've feels like we haven't
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talked in months. I know.
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It does feel like we haven't talked in months but it's almost
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like we died. I know, it's almost like we
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died. We died in each other's lives
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for a hot second. Oh my gosh, that sounded so
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dramatic but appropriate because we are about to enjoy the
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company of some very dramatic character.
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Spencer, what did we watch this week?
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This week? We watch one of my all-time
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favorite films, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, i-i've been wanting
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to do this movie, since we started a podcast.
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Honestly, I think you did suggest that the first season
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and like, this is like one of those movies that like, I didn't
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see until I was like, Like, I think in college, really?
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Yeah. Because it was like, I think it
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like fell under, like, the scary, like creepy movies, like
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I like wasn't allowed to watch, right?
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And so it was fun. I had only seen it once before,
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so it was fun to watch it again and like really take it in,
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right? Yeah.
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It's it's kind of creepy actually.
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I went back and watched it. You know, last night explains
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why I was so messed up as a kid I guess.
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It is scary. And like, I don't, I forgot a
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lot about it. I think I have it just like a
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lot of like a stump shins about it.
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Like I forgot how like confuse the couple is at first.
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Yeah. Like I just remember.
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I'm like, it's just these two goes who get pissed off.
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That's Argos. And someone else is living in
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their house. I forgot all like the nuances
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and like I forgot about their caseworker.
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She wasn't Incredible. I love her.
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It's such a, it's a really well-written story actually, and
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I'm just really excited to talk about it.
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I am too. I am too Spencer, you want to
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hit us with that summary, I would love nothing more Adam,
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and Barbara's, not so peaceful afterlife, turned deadly.
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When they summon the mysterious Beetlejuice, in an attempt to
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hunt their homes, new residents into leaving, and that is
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Beetlejuice as Beetlejuice, if you haven't It guys, we're
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entering spooky season. This is the perfect opportunity,
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get to it, get to work, get to it, and then get behind the
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Wardrobe with us. We have the incredible director,
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Tim Burton, whoa, one of our favorites.
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And we also have another favorite, although we have not
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talked about her on the podcast before Aggie.
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Gerard Rogers, you will know her from American Graffiti.
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A Star Wars episode for Return of the Jedi is that ours is
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episode 5. I'll be honest, the Roman
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numerals always throw me off with those movies.
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Thank you. Oops.
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Oops Star Wars, episode six Return of the Jedi Pee-wee's,
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Big Adventure. Whoa whoa.
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The Color Purple for which she got her Oscar nomination.
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The Witches of Eastwick, fatal Beauty holes, and right.
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And so many good ones. So many good wines and I think
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she, I think I only found one interview one or two interviews,
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where she talked about Beetlejuice and particular, and
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she just seems like such a, like fun character.
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And so, like I said, there's not like a ton of information, but
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she has done some interviews and she said, 2L about Beetlejuice,
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people were not completely totally aware.
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Of how Wild it was going to be which if like no duh.
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And then last night, I watched like a short little interview
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with Michael Keaton and he talked to Tim Burton like three
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or four times because he was like, I really liked Timber and
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he was like, I just did not understand like what he wanted
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from me. Michael Keaton was like, I just
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didn't know and I eventually just came With something and it
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and Tim Burton's like oh yeah, sure.
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Yeah, that sounds like Tim Burton honestly and I wonder if
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this is before or after Michael Keaton did Batman of Timber and
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I think so laughter. No, I think this is before
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really because this is hold on, let me double check because I'm
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bad with dates. Oh yeah, 89.
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So he did Beetlejuice first. Yeah.
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Okay, cool. So he did build use first that
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clear. He was like yeah, this dude's
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nuts. But oh yeah, with another girl,
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you can't get too crazy. But like clearly, like he really
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he really, he was like, he really liked him Burton.
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So he was like, he's apparently, it seems like Timber and just
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like a nice guy. So everyone's always like, yeah,
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I'll work with him. And I mean he also did Pee-wee's
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Big Adventure and I'm Tony Elizabeth, your favorite doing
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it next season, like it. Okay, that's one of those ones.
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I'm not gonna give up. Okay, how about will do it for
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your birthday? That would be fun.
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I will do what I really want for my birthday.
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Oh, next year anyway. Spencer, are you ready for a
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little? A little nap.
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Nappy nap before we get this started.
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Yep. I'm gonna go read my rule book
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for dead people and prepare. Yeah, everybody take a little
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Rest before we enter Beetlejuice.
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Sir, I actually don't know, I rated talking about Beetlejuice.
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Where's I said that? In my brain, just goes like,
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nope, we have our main The is Adam and Barbara played by Alec
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Baldwin and Geena. Davis, I had forgotten this was
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Alec Baldwin. Yes, it's so funny.
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You say that every single time I watch this and I have to retrain
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my brain to be like, that's Alec Baldwin.
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Yeah. It's like I vaguely remembered
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him and then I was watching and I was like because like the
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voice I was like ways that Alec Baldwin and I looked up on IMDb,
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I don't like an Alec Unlike looks different.
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Yeah, it looks so pretty different.
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I mean, obviously he's like 20, 30 years older.
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So obviously he's going to look different but it's like he
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really looks different. Yeah, he looks.
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I mean they to me look like different people.
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The Alec Baldwin we know today compared to that Alec Baldwin
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because yeah, my memory remembers like Beetlejuice Alec
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Baldwin, and then there's like a big ol blank period and then
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he's Cat in the Hat Alec Baldwin.
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Well, I think of him as Alec Baldwin from 30 Rock is about
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show you. I've never watched 30 Rock but I
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forget what channel it was on, but I guess we must have watched
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another show on it because I would always see the previews
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NBC, I mean, okay, yeah, yeah, growing up.
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I would always see the previews for it.
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So like he's stuck in my brain as like that Alec Baldwin, which
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is very different from Beetlejuice Alec Baldwin.
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But anyways, these two characters Adam and Barbara I
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love Adams look because he's just looks like such a typical
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like 80s Dad. Yeah.
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They both. Just look like 80s parents like
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and they're like, I'm so sad for them because they're just out
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here in the country living their best lives.
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She's how she has this great floral.
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Like it's not, it's like this job.
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Drop waist dress. I want to call it a muumuu but
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it's definitely not. It's got a little more style
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than that, but it's like they're clearly just like their content
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and they're like, ready to start their lives and this their new
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beautiful home, right? And they're just like the
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typical like All-American 80s. Couple, it gives strong like
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Prairie Vibes like with hot-ass wallpaper her.
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Look, her prints are just like strong.
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Yeah, Prairie Vibes. But the thing about Tim Burton
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films though is that his You know, that the time period is
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always hard to pinpoint. Like this movie came out in the
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80s by potsherd that it takes place in the 80s, but if it
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does, he always makes it feel like very kind of like Timeless.
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Yeah, it's hard to pinpoint the same with, you know, another big
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one is Edward Scissorhands. You know.
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You're like what time period does this take place?
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So that's why I love. Tim Burton films.
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Yeah, well, I thought until I watched it this time, I always
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just kind I assumed it had come out in like the early to mid
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90s. It was like no this is 89.
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Yeah. But I love them and I love that.
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These are the looks they're stuck in because they're just
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when it comes to like the new residents changing their house,
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it just puts them. So out of place, right,
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especially out of place, compared to Lydia.
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No, No Rider. This is where My crush are
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Winona. Ryder started was Beetlejuice as
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Lydia. She's just so dreamy in this
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film. She is like the goth kid.
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We all wanted to be in middle school.
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Yeah. Like that's that's what she is.
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Like her silk shawl gave me strong flashbacks to when I had
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fingerless lace gloves, middle school, but the process for
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creating her wardrobe was a Bit different Aggie.
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It was talked about it to Al magazine.
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She said we would just go into the Vintage store American Rag
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and start looking at the racks. It's not like we were all
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huddled around the same rack Winona, looked at one rack.
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I looked at a another then I would say here, try this on, try
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that on her mom and dad, just stood there and I'm sure they
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had never seen anything quite like that either.
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I had already done a lot. Of the other characters.
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So I knew the direction I wanted to go in with this goofy kid.
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I am obsessed with this quote. I have never thought of
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something like that. Before that, the actress Winona
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Ryder's standing there with the costume designer and her parents
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are going through Rex, that's crazy.
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Because she was like 15 or 16 when they filmed this, she was
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like, super young and I was like, yeah, we just, we just
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went to American Rag and just just found stuff.
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So Wardrobe is like second hand and vintage course for the most
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part. And it's it's so incredible and
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it's like, oh yeah, that's exactly how.
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This very strange rich girl would dress.
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I just love all her. Look, she wears the big hats.
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She wears veils lots of lace and chokers.
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I mean, just like so many details in her looks, but it's
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all in black. So you have to like really just
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like look at the Current silhouettes on her.
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It's so cool. One of my favorite film
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characters of all time honestly. Yeah, absolutely.
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And it's like, because she is always wearing all black, it's
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it can be hard when you're watching it to see the details.
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But when you really look at it, it's like you just see more and
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more and more, which I love. I also love when Barbara, oh,
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gosh, what are their names Barbara?
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Adam Adam, they're such generic name.
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Go to the underworld. I love how put out.
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They are about being ghost. Yeah, I like, hang on.
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Do you like not understand death?
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Like, I feel like they're kind of upset about, like, not going
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to heaven, but also, it's like you're all dead.
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You're dead. Like, calm down.
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But my two favorite characters in the Underworld are the
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receptionist Miss. Argentina played by Patricia
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Martinez. As I like this, I have to do
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this Halloween costume. One day, I love it because it is
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such like a pageant. Look, the hair like the, the
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collar she has behind her, but then it's like, it was perfect
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for her. Her new job in the Underworld
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because it looks like Flames all around her because she is stuck
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in the hell of being a public servant, Elizabeth close, your
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ears. Her top kind of has like, Mars
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attack pattern to her top. Also, there's a character in
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Mars Attacks called The Martian girl played by Lisa Marie, and
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she has this long red and white kind of swirly pattern dress
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that. She's so creeply walks through
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the holidays, is so good. It's what my all-time favorite
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costumes. I can't help, but feel like the
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Miss Argentina. Look kind of inspired that
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costume about many years later. Mars Attacks, came out in 96.
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So I just feel like it's kind of the same thing even though it's
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not the same costume designer, but Tim Burton's vision is
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definitely showing through right here.
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You could definitely tell that his style definitely carries
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through all of his films. Like some directors do always
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use the same costume designers, but like, even when they love a
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costume designer is not possible to always work with the same
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one. So, it is like, really
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interesting to see where you can see, like a directors like
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particular style or like Works likes and dislikes and like a
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little places like that because it just shows you like how
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important that collaboration is with the director and costume
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designer. Right.
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Exactly. That a lot of people think this
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is a Colleen Atwood film. It's not.
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Yes this is not one of them. Also what does not one of her
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works? Is the look of Juno played by
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Sylvia Sydney. This is very clearly like I feel
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like it's like What her family put her into like in her coffin
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because it's got like the high collar to like, you know, cover
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up her neck. It's got like, you know, the
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beautiful like it's like family pearls.
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Another like trinket e, little necklace that she probably just
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loved and then it's like nice black suit which is like that's
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like something a family. Like you would put your family
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member in but then it's also just perfect for being a
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caseworker. It's a Like office friendly
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where I'm trying to figure out like when she might have died in
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the film, because it there look kind of has a little bit 80s
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look. But I don't know exactly like
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70s, I think 70s 80s. Yeah.
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Also she really had to think about it might be my favorite
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character in this movie deal. Yeah.
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Played by who Spencer Delia is played by the icon, the legend.
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One of my heroes. Catherine O'Hara.
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I am obsessed with her. She played Sally and Nightmare
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Before Christmas. She's a home alone.
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Mom, if you love The Home Alone. Movies and of course she played
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Myra Rose from shits Creek. One of the just best TV
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characters of all time. I love Catherine.
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O'Hara and to me, she's just like the best part of this film.
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I'm obsessed with her. She's incredible.
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And I Kind of like remembered her.
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I forgot she was the stepmother. I thought she was just just the
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mom, the very eccentric mom and I guess some people kind of see
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her like an evil stepmother and I'm like no she's not an evil
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stepmother, she's just like eccentric and just wants to do
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her own thing. Yeah, I don't see her any more
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evil than the dad. I actually find a dad more
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annoying but yeah, Delia is so fun and her fashion.
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Is intense, first of all, everyone, when shits Creek came
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out, everyone was calling Catherine O'Hara, the Home
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Alone, mom, no, she is the Beetlejuice stepmom.
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Like let's get that straight but Katherine.
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Harris, looks are so good. I love the dinner table scene
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where she has like the asymmetric look going where she
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has like one long glove, that's a cool.
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Look, yes, I love how much asymmetry she actually does.
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Because she has That look was like, I think that's her best.
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Look that dinner party. Look in the whole piece.
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But then, she also has that, like, silver jacket with the top
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hat. We're like, it's like half off
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her other shoulder, and it's just very wild and extreme.
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I also love. Oh, maybe this is my favorite.
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I don't know. It's a tie between this and the
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dinner party look, but when she's in the kitchen cooking and
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she has what I think she Believes is like a housewife
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look which is just this long sleeve, white blouse.
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That is just like so billowy and then these wild red like drop
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crotch pants with suspenders. It's really confusing and I love
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I love every second of it. My favorite look is when she's
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sitting at the table and she has the glove headpiece in her hair.
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My God, it's such a strong look. She's wearing gloves as well
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black and white stripes a very Tim Burton like just this whole
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it's such a treat just every Catherine, O'Hara moment in this
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film is just like art to me. It is it is and I love that
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headpieces well because Delia is just wild.
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Yeah, she is wild and nobody actually understands Delia.
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She isn't care what she wants, it's so funny.
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And then like I love how Winona Ryder's Actor acts like she's
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the normal one and her parents are so crazy.
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And I'm like, look at this entire family, you her all can't
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be and to the extreme. I don't see much of a difference
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between a stepmom and the daughter he, right.
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And I'm like, because I don't know if it's mentioned or not,
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but like, clearly her mother died, right?
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Because she's like, they never refer to the mom.
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I don't think the clearly her mother died.
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And it's like, what was your mother like?
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Yeah, if this is how you are, and Who your father?
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Married. Who was your mother?
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I don't know. But Spencer Spencer.
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Spencer Spencer. We have the myth, the legend.
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We have Beetlejuice. Oh my gosh.
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Michael Keaton is so incredible in this role every single time
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though. I look at him and I'm like
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trying to find Michael Keaton underneath there.
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It's so hard. It's such a transformation, it
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really is. He is.
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And this the looking at like, the classic Beetlejuice, black
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and white stripe suit, and it's like, this is so iconic because
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I knew this character before I ever watch the movie.
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I'm just like it is like wild and crazy and like gross.
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But like you want to look closer?
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Because like it's like so intricate.
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It's like you look at even like his tie and it has like all
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these little buttons down the front of it.
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Oh yeah. Right, it's just like crazy and
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unlike I tried looking up like the hit like the hair and makeup
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to see if there was any like behind the scenes for those.
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And I couldn't find anything. But it's like, it's also like
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thought! Ow!
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Ow! And just wild!
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It's so confusing to look at. But you have so much detail and
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I love how the suit looks like really worn and kind of like
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broken down on him. Almost looks like he's been
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sweating in it. Which I don't know if Betelgeuse
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sweats but But I don't know. It definitely like, you know, it
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hasn't been dry. Cleaned in a while as what I'm
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getting at. I don't think Beetlejuice does
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any laundry but like even like the caller is like a little Mist
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mishap. Yes, just such an iconic
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costume, you know, this is up there with like costumes that
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defined a generation almost, you know?
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Yeah, I've almost lost off as Beetlejuice multiple times for
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Halloween. That would be Horrifying, I
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can't imagine that on you. I feel like that'd be really
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unsettling. Well, next time you're here for
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Halloween. I know what I'm doing, I have
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dressed up as a Lydia before. I think you were there.
26:45
You can be. No, I wasn't.
26:47
Oh yeah, you're right. You weren't there for that.
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Last one, Halloween, you have to be Lydia.
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I'll be Betelgeuse. Will do the reverse of the
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wedding's. Oh my gosh, I love that idea.
26:59
Yeah, let's take a break and we'll come up with some ideas.
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Spencer, are you ready for a serious haunting?
28:22
I love every part of this film, but like the second half is
28:25
really strong in the second. Half is wild.
28:28
I forgot that the family like wanted to do this whole like
28:32
haunted theme park. Yeah, deal.
28:35
I'd completely forgotten about that.
28:38
And when their case agent is like, you got to make sure you
28:42
scare them and they come up with these wild heads.
28:46
I'm like these people. You force them to dance.
28:51
You did some wild things and they were still in for it.
28:55
Like you think this is going to scare them?
28:57
Yeah, we blew it right away the dancing, incredibly iconic,
29:03
having any Time I ever see that like, YouTube or TV, I will stop
29:07
what I'm doing. And watch, it is so good.
29:10
Yeah. But their masks, well, I don't
29:12
know if they're mask but they're, they're haunting looks
29:15
are so creepy. Especially Geena Davis, is look,
29:17
I don't know that one would really spook me.
29:20
Yeah, it's like they're like mutated birds.
29:24
Almost these heads like his his head.
29:27
Literally looks like a bird skull like that's just what it
29:32
looks like. And her head hit like, it looks
29:37
like, she's like trying to eat somebody and then you just look
29:41
down and it's, they're like normal clothes.
29:44
Yeah. Like what are you doing?
29:48
That's not gonna work guys, but so fun.
29:52
And can I just say that they're the house that Catherine O'Hara
29:56
transforms this place into is so beautiful.
29:59
Is like my dream house. I'm just gonna say that course
30:02
it is. Of course it is.
30:05
It definitely is not Barbara's, dream house.
30:09
But she does get to direct where her dream wedding dress once
30:14
again when Delia and her husband or being jackasses.
30:21
But I thought so I look at this and it's very 80s.
30:24
Like my like this looks a lot like my mother's wedding gown.
30:28
Yeah. This is a 80s wedding dress.
30:30
This is an 80s wedding dress and I just assumed like they made
30:33
it. For Geena Davis.
30:36
But then Aggie talks to L about it.
30:39
She says, like it was getting close to filming and she said,
30:44
let's just buy the wedding dress for Geena Davis.
30:48
So she went to Brenda's Bridle and ET LA and she said, you
30:54
know, I need to have a couple of wedding dresses made for Gina.
30:58
She's really tall and I don't really know what I want.
31:01
Have you got any? Books of stuff that you make all
31:06
the time. I wanted it to be outrageous and
31:09
stupid. So she said, here's a book right
31:12
here. I said, can I bring it back in
31:14
the next couple of days? So she just took things with
31:18
bugs and just took on the Tim Burton and was like, hey, let's
31:23
this is what I'm thinking. Just like a random 80s.
31:27
Look book. But I'm like, you know, what?
31:29
That makes sense for Barbara because she's just like Average
31:34
American woman. So, yeah, she went to a bridal
31:37
shop and bought something fairly generic because she loved it.
31:43
Yeah, the style at the time, it wouldn't be something big and
31:46
campy like all the other characters, you know, just be
31:49
something that you found in a book.
31:51
It's, it's so 80s. It's giving me like a dynasty, a
31:55
little bit like, big puffy, shoulders somatic Veil, but he's
32:01
curly Barbara hair. It's just Pkt.
32:04
He's it is PK's and its peak 80s.
32:08
I feel like there were two different kinds of peak 80s and
32:11
this is just kind of like front knowing for like, what my mom.
32:14
Warrant stuff that there was like the P Katie's wedding
32:16
dress, with the huge puffy sleeves.
32:20
But there was like this, like, Victorian like romantic Revival
32:24
in the 80s as well, which I feel like is what Barbara has.
32:28
Oh yeah, it's like big sleeves but lots of lace and dim rear
32:32
and the long sleeves and the hi Neckline.
32:35
Yeah, not like the outrage is a gal.
32:39
A lot of women wore at the time. This is definitely a different
32:44
kind of wedding dress. We've seen on this podcast.
32:47
Yes. Absolutely.
32:49
And it gets even Wilder. So, like I said, I took the book
32:55
to Timber, and asked which one he liked for Gina, after he
32:59
picked one. He said, how about for Roman
33:02
Winona? We make her this Same dress in
33:04
red. Wow.
33:05
So I clearly they didn't ended up not going for the same exact
33:10
dress, but he was just kind of like, yeah.
33:12
Let's just pick one of these as well and get it made and red for
33:16
Winona. That's crazy.
33:20
Wedding dress store was like, okay, well we don't have any red
33:24
but but I guess but I think that's so funny because like you
33:31
assume all this work goes into every single one of These locks
33:35
and it's like two iconic looks where it's just, like, no, we
33:38
sent them to the bridal store and Aggie really did, send them
33:41
to the bridal store. She told L, I sent Winona, and
33:45
Gina down to Brenda's, to be measured, I didn't even go with
33:48
them these days, everyone treats actors.
33:51
So preciously, but I generally don't like to work on films that
33:54
have a dresser for this star, or dresser for that star, because
33:58
it gets so fucked up. I just said, here's the address.
34:03
Can you go down There and see this woman.
34:05
I didn't want to go. That is a weird quote.
34:14
She is just like no-nonsense person, right?
34:18
Like, I feel like she just doesn't deal with like any sort
34:22
of nonsense and she was like, yeah, that's where they were
34:25
getting their dresses. Made that place needed their
34:27
measurements. They just need to go down and
34:29
get their measurements done. Alright, the costume design is
34:33
like, I don't Go to your fitting.
34:36
Yeah. Okay.
34:37
Interesting choice. But which I mean like it also
34:40
makes sense though, because it's like she wasn't make clearly
34:42
wasn't making any alterations herself.
34:44
She was like, yeah, just go yeah.
34:46
Let me know when it's done. Exactly, exactly.
34:51
But she was, you know, for all her no-nonsense, she was
34:54
collaborative, she said to Al in the final scene of the film when
35:00
owner decides to wear her school outfit with that, Petticoat on
35:05
underneath all by herself that was her idea.
35:09
I think she probably even brought that in herself by the
35:12
end of the movie, everyone in the production knew exactly what
35:15
they were doing. Oh, that's cool.
35:17
So she's like oh yeah that was Winona.
35:19
Ryder's idea. Yeah, just by the end, I was
35:21
like, okay, I understand what Tim Burton wants and this
35:25
freaking nightmare this wild wild movie.
35:30
It's so funny like Winona Ryder's character goes from Like
35:34
very vibrant red and a wedding to like this, very like, muted
35:38
kind of like schoolgirl look like yeah clearly this is like
35:42
Peak or Peak Gothic moment and she like snaps out of it a
35:46
little bit, like I'm gonna wear my Petticoat but that's about
35:49
it. Yeah.
35:51
And it's like I love her relationship with Barbara and
35:55
Adam. He is such a generic friggin
35:57
name in this movie, I can never remember it.
35:59
I know it's hard. I love her relationship with
36:02
Barbara and Adam. Mmm because she's the first
36:05
person who could see them and she's just like very respectful
36:09
of them and they become very like protected of her there,
36:12
like her second set of parents who like carry that she does
36:16
well in school and cares that like, you know, she's not being
36:19
taken advantage of by Beetlejuice.
36:22
I'm like yeah she is kind of its kind of like insinuated at the
36:26
beginning that like they might not be able to have kids so it's
36:29
like they kind of like adopt her and they're like oh we're just
36:33
gonna we're gonna After you for the rest of your life.
36:37
Yeah. This gives Catherine O'Hara's
36:39
character to just seemed to be the crazy stepmom and work on
36:43
her art. Yeah, yeah, works out for
36:45
everybody. Yeah.
36:46
And I feel like you can see that and that very last look.
36:49
It's like, okay, she cares about school but she's still going to
36:51
be her like wild self, but I think that makes me sad about
36:56
the end. Is clearly like the deal was
36:58
that the house gets a turn back into like it's old self.
37:03
Like now don't ruin it. I don't think so.
37:08
I think they decided to like I think they split the house.
37:11
I was wondering that too because it does go like down the middle
37:15
but you just can't tell if it's like under construction or if
37:17
they split it. I hope they split it.
37:19
I think they split it. I think like the upstairs is
37:22
Adam and Barbara and then I think the downstairs that was
37:26
already done is for Delia and her husband.
37:31
Well let's see. For re and Michael Keenan and
37:35
that like very dramatic 70's, or 80's Napoleon Dynamite suit like
37:43
the burgundy suit with the all the Frills on the shirt.
37:49
Oh my God, this is so bad. It's yeah, the note for
37:54
Beetlejuice it's like it's so bad.
37:56
It's perfect. You know yes that's exactly what
38:00
field you since. It's so bad, it's perfect.
38:04
And I think Spencer, it's been so long, but I think we need to
38:08
play our favorite game. I'm very excited.
38:11
Hit it. Daniel the one costume to rule
38:16
them all. Spencer, what was your one
38:24
costume to rule them all? Mine was easy.
38:27
This time is Delia dietz's glove to look I yeah.
38:35
Is so cool. It's so edgy.
38:37
It's so fashion forward but still like 80s.
38:41
It's just I love this. Look I could look at it forever
38:44
and ever. I want to recreate this look,
38:46
but might be a little crazy nowadays, but I don't know.
38:50
I just feel like all of her looks and Film are so strong.
38:53
I think the dinner table scene is also like my other one
38:57
costume to rule them all. Anything that Catherine O'Hara,
39:00
where's in this film? Like, that's my pick.
39:04
You know, I mean that's fair, that's fair but I gotta say what
39:09
my one costume to rule them all is beautiful juices, black and
39:13
white stripe suit. Everybody knows that look it's
39:16
iconic and it's also like iconic timber in like you see that.
39:22
Like. Oh, that's a Tim Burton
39:23
character. Yeah, like, through and through.
39:27
And I also love that it's like, it's actually kind of, like an
39:32
easy Halloween costume. You see people being Beetlejuice
39:35
a lot. Yeah, because like, it's not
39:37
it's not super difficult to put together some version of this.
39:43
There are things. I've never seen someone do
39:45
Beetlejuice and I actually felt like it was really good but
39:48
let's all say scary really scary.
39:52
Like the yeah. That's kind of the point.
39:55
No, I think you made a good choice that black and white is
39:58
so iconic. So many people like kind of,
40:01
really tied Timber into black and white, which really isn't
40:05
his thing. He really does love color but
40:08
it's because of this suit and this film that black and white
40:11
color scheme that people really like resonate with Timber and
40:15
how it came from this suit. So absolutely Elizabeth.
40:20
I am excited sounds Sounds like they finally are giving
40:24
Beetlejuice to ago. I know I'm excited to see what
40:27
they're going to do, because I'm like it didn't need a sequel
40:30
know like it just didn't but like I'm excited for what
40:34
they're going to come up with. I'm excited to.
40:36
I love that they're doing like the hocus-pocus to model where
40:39
they're like, okay it has to have Michael Keaton and it has
40:43
to have like at least Winona Ryder and it has to be directed
40:46
by Timber. And if everyone could come to
40:48
terms of this, then we could do it.
40:50
I'm glad it's not just like The random person doing a hook is
40:53
put at the liver a Beetlejuice to.
40:56
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42:14
Spencer, what are we watching next week?
42:18
Next week? We're watching a film that I
42:20
somehow have still Ever seen disappointment.
42:25
The Phantom of the Opera, I like really excited to see it because
42:30
I've never seen it. Everyone talks about all the
42:33
time I feel really left out. It's time.
42:36
I'm excited for you to see it. I watched it for the first time
42:40
in like years. The other day, and I love this
42:45
movie, but I definitely feel like people romanticize it a
42:48
lot. But then also, I'm like the
42:52
Steam game is just on point in this film.
42:55
I'm so excited. I mean, I know some of the
42:57
music, you know, so I'm excited, you know?
43:00
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44:13
Imagining like you and I and he's funny.
44:16
That'd be so fun to do it. Oh my gosh.
44:19
So like one of my goals for after we're done we're done the
44:24
bulk of our recording. Next week is I have a corpse
44:27
Pride that I need to finish. I want to finish my wand
44:33
division dress And then I'm like I need to decide what to do
44:38
next. I think I am going to do for
44:40
this Halloween. I think I am gonna Do the
44:47
Angela. One of the Angeline looks nice
44:50
just because I was so that like that the look I want to do in
44:53
particular was so much fun UFO look.
44:56
Yeah, that's a good one. I feel like I've basically watch
44:59
a show at this point because I listened to your interview so
45:01
many times and had to do like tick-tocks and what not so good,
45:06
good good Kyle but anyway,