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Clemency Without Accountability: Who’s Really Backing Maxwell? (5/5/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. For the past few weeks now, we've been
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hearing that members of the GOP who sit on the
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House committee that's overseeing the Epstein situation are divided on
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whether President Trump should issue a pardon to Klaine Maxwell.
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But isn't it odd that we don't have any names
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to attach to this, Like, if these Republicans are backing
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a pardon for Maxwell, shouldn't they go on the record.
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I mean, they should explain why they think the way
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they think. Right, what exactly do you hope to gain
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from giving Lanne Maxwell a pardon? Considering she actually took
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part in the abuse herself, considering she was somebody that
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transported these girls to Jeffrey Epstein, and considering she's absolutely
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decimated as a witness, what exactly are you trying to gain? Well,
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they'll tell you they're looking to get her cooperation, But
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the truth is, what they're really trying to do is
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to continue with the cover up. That's the most important thing.
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Not transparency, not justice, not shooting the American people straight,
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but bullshitting, lying and protecting the very people that they
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should be investigating and If they really believe that Glayn
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Maxwell deserves a pardon, then put your name behind that
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bullshit and quit attributing it to anonymous sources. Don't be
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a coward. Instead stand ten To's down and stand on business.
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But we all know that these cowards will never do that.
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Today's article is from The Guardian and the headline Republicans
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appear split an idea of clemency for Glenn Maxwell. This
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article was authored by Victoria be kempests the possibility of
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clemency for Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice Glen Maxwell, however unlikely, has
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long outrage survivors and their advocates, who view the former
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British socialites lengthy jail sentence as giving them some justice
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In the long running saga, Well, if you were one
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of those girls and you were abused and the only
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person that went to jail for it went to prison
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for it is now being dangled as somebody that might
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get a pardon, wouldn't you be a bit upset as well?
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Wouldn't you be outspoken? Wouldn't you be raising Holy Hell?
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We all know the answer to that, So why shouldn't
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these women raise Holy hell? When this's bullshit? Right here
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directly affects them, so maybe somebody should ask them how
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they feel. Recent reporting that a pardon for Maxwell is
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now being discussed supportively in some circles, however, has highlighted
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how Epstein and Maxwell remain a political mind feel for
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Republicans and Donald Trump, while presenting yet another blow to
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Survivor's fight for transparency. News broke in late April that
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representatives on the House Oversite and Government Reform Committee had
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split opinion whether the president should pardon the convicted sex
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trafficker Maxwell so she would cooperate with their investigation into Epstein.
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Survivor's advocates responded with indignation, as they should have. Remember,
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Maxwell isn't going to give you any evidence that's going
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to be actionable. I know I've said this a million times,
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but I guess it bears worth repeating. Glenn Maxwell as
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a witness is cooked. And I know that some of
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you follow trials out there, and I know that you've
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seen witnesses get up on the stand and get absolutely
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mrked by the lawyer and think about the worst instance
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of that happening, and then times that by about one hundred,
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and that's what would happen to Glenn Maxwell. I mean,
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this lady is a known liar. Somebody that was charged
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with perjury would have been convicted of it, but the
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court dropped those charges to help streamline the main charges
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of human trafficking and the Man Act. But I don't
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think there's any lawyer in this country, even a terrible lawyer,
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that wouldn't be able to utilize all of that as
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a cudgel against Maxwell if she ever took the stand.
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And remember, if she's going to be some kind of witness,
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she asked to take the stand, so good luck. Any
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talk of clemency for Glenn Maxwell in exchange for testimony
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turns justice on its head. It risks rewarding the very
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person who helped enable the abuse, said gold Cloth clo
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and litigation director Spencer Couven, who's represented numerous Epstein survivors.
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And Spencer Couven's been very outspoken this whole entire time.
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And he's not one of those lawyers that sits in
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a room right, looks at paperwork and makes phone calls.
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He's a litigation specialist. That's somebody that actually goes into
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the courtroom and fights it out. And this man has
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been very vocal about what happened with Epstein, what happened
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with the cover up, and certainly what happened with Prince Andrew.
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While Congress says no power to grant a pardon, even
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entertaining that conversation signals to victims that they're suffering, is
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still being treated as secondary to political strategy. Justice should
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never be transactional when it comes to crimes of this magnitude.
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I agree one million percent there is no scenario under
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this sun where GALLAINN. Maxwell should be pardoned, unless, of course,
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you're looking to protect the administration. Because short of that,
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Kahlain Maxwell has zero worth as a witness of any kind.
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And I want you to remember what she told Todd
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Blanche that she had no idea about Jeffrey Epstein's behavior,
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that she wasn't around them, that she wasn't somebody that
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was locked in with Epstein after two thousand and seven.
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So if that's the case, then how could she have
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any information to give anybody? So either way, she's a liar, right,
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And if you think that that's going to fly inside
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of a courtroom with the judge or the jurors, you
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have not been paying attention Credibility is the currency inside
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of a courtroom, and Glenn Maxwell has none of it.
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Sigarette McAuley, a managing partner at Boys Schiller Flexner who
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has long represented Epstein's survivors, voice similar sentiments in a statement,
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saying there could be no greater injustice to survivors than
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for President Trump to pardon Glenn Maxwell as Jeffrey Epstein's
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co conspirator, she was found guilty and convicted by a
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jury for incredibly serious sex crimes against miners. McCauley said,
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there's nothing credible that she will offer the government, and
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the assertion that she will provide information is simply a
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smoke screen, and that's really what it comes down to.
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If Maxwell had anything of note to offer up, she
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would have done it when she was under suspicion and
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facing prison. The second you're convicted, the second that that
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gavel comes crashing down, that's it. You're now a convicted
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felon with a lot to gain by lying, So why
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should anyone ever believe you. Jennifer Freeman of Marsh Law Firm,
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who represents Epstein and Maxwell survivor Annie Farmer, said that
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no form of clemency could ever be justified. Any pardon
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or a commutation of Glenn Maxwell's rightful sentence would betray
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the survivors, mock the gravity of their suffering, and fundamentally
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undermine the integrity of our judicial system. She added. The
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survivor's advocates are by no means alone in their views,
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with many Oversight members, including Republican chair James Comer, reportedly
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opposing clemency. So who are the people that are supporting it?
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Or is it just a made up story? Remember we
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have to be mindful of that too. Look, there's a
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lot going on here and a lot of people are
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trying to control narratives. But I'm not interested in any
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of that. I'm only interested in getting as close to
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the truth as possible. So if people are out here
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saying they're going to pork Lion Maxwell, put your name
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behind it. Don't be a coward. If that's what you
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truly feel, and that's what you believe, and you think
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that we're gonna get something from it, let's hear your
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side of the story. Or is it that nobody really
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supports that kind of pardon and this is a made
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up story by the legacy media? Very possible, I don't
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discount anything. I've told you that from the very beginning.
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The legacy media has been very duplicitous when it comes
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to Jeffrey Epstein, this story and reporting on it the
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right way. And look, they've done a better job recently,
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but that doesn't forgive all of the deceit from the past, right.
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And if they think I'm just gonna trust them, I'm not.
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The days of trust us bro are long over. And
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that's why I always show you, guys my work, give
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you the source, and then show you where I'm getting
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the information that I'm getting. And look, even if you
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disagree with my opinion, at least you have the source
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material to look at for yourself and for me, I
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think that's the most important thing, opening the door. I'm
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not some genius who knows everything about the story. I'm
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not some you know, expert who never misses anything. And honestly,
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I feel like my job, if you want to call
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it that is to open doors for you folks, and
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then if you walk through them, great, If you don't,
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that's cool too. I'm not here to convince anybody of anything,
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Like I always tell you, what I'm here to do
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is shine a light and the best way to do
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that is not to just give you my opinion, but
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to show you how I got to that point. And
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that's why we read the core documents all the way through,
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even when they're boring. Sometimes I feel like you folks
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deserve to have that information. And the only way you're
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ever going to get to a point where you have
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an educated opinion on anything is if you have the
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information in front of you, right or whatever's available, and
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then you dive into it and you figure out what's
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what you know. There's facts, there's speculation, and then there's
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what we know and what we can prove. And here
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on the podcast, I've always tried to stick to the
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things that I feel like we can prove. Now, that
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doesn't mean that the other stuff isn't true or it
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didn't happen, or I don't believe it, but I'm not
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going to get caught in that snare, you know, the
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snare of slaciousness, the snare of chasing things that might
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be when there are so many things already sitting here
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in front of us that are so if we devour
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those things and prove that those things actually happened, it's
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going to open the door for everything else. Trump vowed
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while campaigning that he would release the Epstein files, and
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this promise firmed up Trump's already extensive support among far
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right Republicans, many of whom think that Epstein was among
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a cabal of global elite who's sex traffic children with immunity.
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So people who think that are far right, Victoria, have
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you not been on the internet recently, because I assure
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you there are people on the left that feel the
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same exact way. There are people on the left that
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sound very very much like QA non people now, and
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I don't even blame them. People on the left were
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lied to for a very long time by the legacy
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media about this topic, and then when the reality hit
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these people like a thousand pounds of bricks, it was unnerving.
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And then of course you get to look at the
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emails for yourself, and it's obvious that there's something going on. Now.
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I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
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it's a global cabal. You know, I've never prescribed to
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that bullshit. But what I will tell you is this,
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The financial sector is evil and all the people that
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are wrapped up in it. As far as you know,
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the big shots I don't mean the regular people day
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to day, you know, processing your bank fees. I'm talking
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about the big shots, the Jamie Diamonds of the world,
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et cetera. Those are the people that are evil. In
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my opinion. You want to talk about who runs the
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whole world, it's not the WEF it's not the Rothchilds,
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It's the financial institution as a whole. Trump's Justice Department
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repeatedly failed to deliver these files as promised. Meanwhile, Maxwell
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was moved to a low security prison camp in Texas
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one week after her controversial interview with now acting Attorney
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General Todd blanche fomenting conspiracy theories and cover up allegations. Well,
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what else could it be, Victoria? Is Victoria going to
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position herself as if this isn't a cover up? Is
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that what she's really saying here, Because in my opinion,
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there is more than enough evidence pointing to a cover up.
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And I think the onus is on people who say
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there's no cover up to provide the evidence to prove it. Sorry,
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because that's what we're doing here on a daily basis,
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providing receipts. Congress members then took it upon themselves to
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seek answers on their own. These efforts culminated in the
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bipartisan Epstein Files Transparency Act, which mandated that Justice release
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all documents by December nineteenth, which they didn't do, which
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is wild considering the Justice Department of law places should
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be compliant with the law. While one tranch was released
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on that date, other disclosures came past the deadline, and
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these releases also contained numerous redactions. Trump and many Republicans
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now face dizzying political fallout months before the midterms, as
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well as party infighting that raises the stakes still more.
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And look, it's a problem they created for themselves. Do
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you know how many independents have dipped and jumped off
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the boat? A whole lot of them. I know a
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whole lot of people that are sitting out the midterms,
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A whole lot of people, which is wild. Me personally,
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I'm not setting anything out. I'm going to do what
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I always do and vote against the incumbent until I
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have an incumbent worthwhile, I'll be voting against them. Why
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would I reward somebody by sending them back to office
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who did a shitty job the first term because they
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have a certain letter in front of their name, don't
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give a shit about any of that. Republican congress members
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comments suggest internal dissent. When asked by Politico if he
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thought clemency with Maxwell for her testimony would be a
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good agreement, Comer reportedly said a lot of people do,
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and that my committee split on that. How come nobody's
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tried to hammer down names here, like who are the
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people that are backing up Glenn Maxwell getting a pardon?
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How about we start there and then we could speak
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to those people directly. Comer, who did not name the
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potential pardon supporters, does not himself back such an idea,
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telling the news outlet, I think it looks bad, and honestly,
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other than Epstein, the worst person in this whole investigation
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is Maxwell. Look, I don't really agree with Comer on much,
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but I agree with that Maxwell is an absolutely smarmy,
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evil person and she should be under the prison, not
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sitting in a jail cell playing with puppies and eaton
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chick fil a. Republican Congressman Thomas Massey, who co sponsored
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the Epstein files transparen the Act, called out one of
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Trump's closest allies when asked about reported congressional pardon talk.
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I'm adamantly opposed to it, Massey said in a statement.
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Blanche already inexplicably and inappropriately moved her to a country
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club prison with no new information or indictments of co conspirators.
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She didn't play ball at all. And remember she was
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already in the honor dorm in Tallahassee. And can somebody
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refresh my memory about how many people in the women's
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prison in Tallahassee have been killed? Oh that's right, none,
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got it, book Leanne Maxwell. She was under a lot
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of stress, and you know she was in danger, so
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they had to move her. Although he Republicans are opposed
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to clemency and the White House has insisted Trump wasn't
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thinking about it. Pardon mentions provide an opportunity for Democrats
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to slam Republicans despite their joint fight for transparency. Look,
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it's all about politics. Don't forget that both sides and
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the Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans of
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trying to harness this issue into a weapon. And this
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is what I warned about from the beginning. When people
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start retreating to their bunkers and thinking, oh, it's the
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other side, they're missing the HD picture, and that HD
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picture tells us that it's all of them, all of
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these scumbags. It's outrageous at Republicans on the Oversight Committee
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are considering a pardon for Glenn Maxwell, said Democratic Congressman
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Robert Garcia, the ranking member of Oversight. She's a sexual
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abuser who facilitated the rape of women and children. This
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is a shameful way to treat survivors. Oversight Democrats are
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united in opposing any pardon. Well, she also took part
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in the abuse herself. Let us not forget that part,
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because that part is the most egregious of them all.
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It goes very much against what Republicans stand for, which
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is more law and order based on platform, said Hank Sheinkoff,
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a veteran Democratic strategist. Clemency for someone who wasn't convicted
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of such notorious crimes would be one thing, Shinkoff said,
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but the Maxwell case is something that's burned into the
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brains of a majority of the population of the country. Certainly, Now,
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I honestly don't know one person that I've met in
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real life that would be okay with Maxwell getting a pardon.
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Discussions of clemency might also be an effort to game
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out the next steps in addressing this controversy. Even if
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most Americans wouldn't support a pardon, politicians will float an idea,
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and it's like a balloon, Shinkoff said, it goes up
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in the air and if it drops to the ground quickly,
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it'll suddenly disappear. Brittany Martinez, executive director of Principle First
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and a Republican strategist, called the reported mentions of a
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pardon discussion absolutely detestable. Agreed, So again, who are these
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people talking about it? Let's see some names. As for
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the rationale behind having these discussions, Martinez said, I don't
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know what the point is. I think it's terrible, a
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terrible look for Republicans. Again, they were the party running
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on releasing the Epstein files, Martinez said, noting how the
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political article indicated it was just Republican members discussing clemency.
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Not only have you not fully released the Epstein files,
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but also you're willing to pardon the number two to
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Jeffrey Epstein. Valid point, valid point. And I have no
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idea how any of these Republicans sitting on the committee
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could even entertain the idea That seems like political Sepaku
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to me. Adding to the confusion or comments from Maxwell's
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attorney David Oscar Marcus, I don't know what the percentages are.
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Marcus recently told Politico there's a good chance and for
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good reason, that she would get a pardon. This stands
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in contrast to what the person who could grant clemency
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is said. In response to a question last fall, I'll
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pardon in Maxwell, Trump said, I haven't thought about it. Oh,
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I'm sure not one thought about it, not at all.
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Marcus did not respond to the Guardian's request for comment.
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Maxwell has maintained her innocence. Let's remember she's not accused,
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she's convicted, and you know who else maintained their innocence
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until they were just put to death? That broadenact's character
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down in Texas. So a convict claiming that they're innocent
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is not really breaking news. Maxwell herself is not standing
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idly by during these reported congressional discussions. Manhattan federal court
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records last week revealed that she's once again challenging her
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conviction for Nemo Rockmanni, a former federal prosecutor and founder
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of West Coast Trial Lawyers. That effort seems slimsy. Here
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you have Glenn Maxwell saying she's innocent. Rockmanni said, obviously,
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twelve men and women on a jury disagreed. I think
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there's no chance, or almost no chance, that she's going
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to get out, and I don't think she's going to
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either rite when everything is said and done. But there's
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the possibility, and if you have people in Congress talking
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about it, that possibility grows, and god knows what kind
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of justification they'll come up with for it, but you
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better believe they'll come up with something. So I think
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the most important thing here obviously is Maxwell not getting
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a pardon, But besides that, how about we get some
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names of these Republicans who are backing Glenn Maxwell getting
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a pardon, and then, of course we can ask them
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directly why they feel that way. But as of now,
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we don't have those names, and all we have are
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allegations and unnamed sources saying that this is occurring. So,
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like everything else, we'll keep an eye on it, and
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when we get some more information one way or the other,
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we'll get it added to the catalog. All the information
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