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Is Iran About to Collapse? What This Means for Israel & Bible Prophecy | Olivier Melnick | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast. Hello everyone,
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  Speaker 1: Mondo Gonzale, Syrian Studio, and I have with me today
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  Speaker 1: Olivier Melnick, and we're going to be just answering some
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  Speaker 1: questions and talking about the state of our world. There's
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  Speaker 1: so much going on as we know, we're into twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, and I'm going to just grill Olivier on
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  Speaker 1: a variety of things and to get his thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: the directions of what we might see this year. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, there's a lot of biblical things happen
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  Speaker 1: as we know. So welcome Olivier.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me on the show. Happy new Year.
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  Speaker 1: It is a good new year so far. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: for the sake of our audience, maybe kind of introduce
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, my name is Olivia Melnick and I
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  Speaker 2: am the executive director of Shalom in Messiah and you
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  Speaker 2: I you know, since you're asking me, I got on
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  Speaker 2: Our mission statement is to expose and fight anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I like what you said when you open
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  Speaker 2: the podcast. You said, we're going to look at a
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  Speaker 2: lot of topics. We don't have all the answer, but
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  Speaker 2: you and I Mondo, we do have one answer to
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  Speaker 2: the most important question, the existential question. We know who
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  Speaker 2: the Messiah is. It's Jesus, the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, Yeshua.
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  Speaker 2: And we might be discussing all the other topics and
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know we are unapologetic in that. And
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  Speaker 1: Olivier also went to Moody Bible in is too, where
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  Speaker 1: I went. And so having really that framework of understanding
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  Speaker 1: the Bible that it's a Jewish book, and you brought
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  Speaker 1: up something, you brought up anti Semitism, which we definitely
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about. But there's this root of anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 1: this irrational hatred which you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: reasons in that. But and I want to get into
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit later, but as it relates to
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest proponents, it just right out of
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  Speaker 1: the gate. Certainly one of the biggest opponents in the
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  Speaker 1: whole entire Middle East of anti Semitism is the country
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  Speaker 1: of Iran. And so we've been seeing, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: know what's been happening over over really the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, and certainly after Trump came in relative Iran
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  Speaker 1: and all their proxies being relatively relatively neutralized, they're not
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  Speaker 1: They're not gone by any means, and talk about if
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  Speaker 1: you will maybe give us an update what is happening
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  Speaker 1: right now in Iran. And there's you know, there's some
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  Speaker 1: domestic issues and just kind of give us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for those that don't don't really follow, why is Iran
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  Speaker 1: important in this whole conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Well they have, Well they're important because they you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're a player in the Ezekiel thirty eight prophecy.
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  Speaker 2: And but right now, which I believe is future, I'll
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  Speaker 2: sit right off the starting gate here. I think that
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  Speaker 2: the Ezekiel thirty eight prophecy will take place between the
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  Speaker 2: rapture and the second half of the tribulation. That's where
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  Speaker 2: I see it. I don't know where you see it.
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  Speaker 2: We can discuss that. I mean, I don't think it matters.
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  Speaker 2: What matters that it's going to happen in Uron is
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  Speaker 2: going to be part of it. But the in Iran
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  Speaker 2: right now, as you know, I'm sure you've had programs
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  Speaker 2: and guests discussing that as well. Uron has been going
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  Speaker 2: through a very very difficult drought. They're like their waters
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  Speaker 2: supply is is you know almost, I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: really dramatic, and right now they're going through it looks
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  Speaker 2: like the most the closest to revolution since nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: The current possible next Shah who lives in exile. Now
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  Speaker 2: there's they're starting to call his name on the streets,
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  Speaker 2: which they didn't do before. I don't have to saw that,
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  Speaker 2: And so we have this thing going on. The Their
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  Speaker 2: economy is completely I mean I was looking at numbers.
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  Speaker 2: I think I forgot the name of their currency right
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  Speaker 2: now it's escaping me. But it's usually forty two thousand
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  Speaker 2: for a dollar on a good day. Right now it's
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  Speaker 2: one point four million of them for a dollar. So
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  Speaker 2: it's you're looking at what happened in Germany after World
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  Speaker 2: War One, where people would go as as you heard
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  Speaker 2: those stories, but people would go to get a little
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  Speaker 2: for bread with the willbarrow of Deutsche marks. And so
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  Speaker 2: the Iran is, you know, the people are there, they're
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  Speaker 2: sick of of the fact that I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know any billions Iran spends every year on their proxies
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  Speaker 2: and you know on Hezbollah, on Ramas, on on on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all the different terrorist group that they're they're funding,
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  Speaker 2: and in the meantime, their people are dying. They're like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there there's no no quality of life and
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of repression in Iran. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: know where this is gonna go, but it looks like
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  Speaker 2: it could continue and it could turn into a toppling
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  Speaker 2: down of the current government. There are some rumors. That
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  Speaker 2: was talking to John Holler, who knows a lot more
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  Speaker 2: than you and I together and this morning, and he said,
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  Speaker 2: there are rumors that the Ayatola has already gone, I
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  Speaker 2: mean gone, not dead, but gone to Where do you
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  Speaker 2: think you would go?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that was the question I was gonna ask you.
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  Speaker 1: If you think he's gonna flee to Russia like bashar Asad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna be a Yeah, they're probably gonna have
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  Speaker 2: a you know, I mean, one more guy and they
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  Speaker 2: can play poker, you know, there the three of them.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there are rumors that he's already if he
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  Speaker 2: is already gone, because that's never happened since nineteen seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: So if Kameni is already in Russia, that is a
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  Speaker 2: very strong sign that the regime is not doing well.
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  Speaker 2: But what's interesting, I think is what happened in Venezuela,
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  Speaker 2: because Venezuela, I mean, that's another connection with Russia. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they're in Cahoutz. But I think, uh that what's happening
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  Speaker 2: in Veneze what happened in Venezuela, which by the way,
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  Speaker 2: was an incredible operation. I mean if you look at
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  Speaker 2: you know, how they you know, in and out, boom
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  Speaker 2: boom done and which by the way, Uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how long it's gonna take for the
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  Speaker 2: anti semis to say that this was really not America
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  Speaker 2: doing it. It was the most sad because it was
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  Speaker 2: so quick and so good, and.
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  Speaker 1: It already happened. Did you hear that Kennis Owens already
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  Speaker 1: said that, well, well, not just not just her, but
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  Speaker 1: the the new vice president that came in. Now she
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  Speaker 1: got sworn in as a president.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: She she said publicly that she believes that Maduro is
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  Speaker 1: still the legal president and so she's she's only acting
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  Speaker 1: as a proxy herself until he's She demanded his release,
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  Speaker 1: but she said the whole operation was illegal and had
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  Speaker 1: a flavor of Zionism. So right there, right there, out
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  Speaker 1: of the gate, she's putting out the seeds of course,
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  Speaker 1: for exactly what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Well, I believe that cand of Sons has already
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that this had to be the most sad for
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  Speaker 2: the way it was so quickly uh uh executed. But
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  Speaker 2: what I find interesting. Is I think that uhh. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I voted for Trump, but you know, there
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  Speaker 2: are things he's doing right now that I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't agree with him on everything, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm you know, and I think most people who
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  Speaker 2: voted for him probably or probably in the same in
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  Speaker 2: the same boat. But I think what you did with
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  Speaker 2: Venezuela is uh. I think it's a little bit uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, along the line of what Israel did with
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  Speaker 2: in in Qatar when they went to get those leaders
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  Speaker 2: of Hamas pinpoint to the right guy and then they
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  Speaker 2: were not going after Qatar. They were going after those guys,
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  Speaker 2: pulled them out, got rid of them, just like that overnight.
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  Speaker 2: And I think there was a little bit saber rattling.
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  Speaker 2: You're going like, hey, guys, uh, watch what we're doing
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  Speaker 2: within at Venezuela had happened in a couple of hours.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knew we're in or out, so don't mess with us.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he's sending a message to Iran and
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  Speaker 2: possibly to China and Russia.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And you know, the it's interesting because
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  Speaker 1: you see the latest discussions and I want I want
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  Speaker 1: to well, maybe we can wrap up the Iran situation
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  Speaker 1: for a moment because and because I do want to
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  Speaker 1: continue to ask you about Venezuela. Is So you brought
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  Speaker 1: up that possibility of Kamani being already gone. Uh, you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned a revolution, So what we what you have is
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  Speaker 1: Iran was relatively friendly to the West for sure before
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, and then of course you have the
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  Speaker 1: the Kamani revolution where they went radical Islam. Now this
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  Speaker 1: sort of revolution you mentioned though, is to go back
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  Speaker 1: right that's happening right now with the population which has
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  Speaker 1: has forced him to possibly flee. This is a revolution
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  Speaker 1: to go back to pre Komyani, pre radical Islam. That's
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that for a moment because and then
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  Speaker 1: then then I'm gonna lead that in with if that's true,
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  Speaker 1: do you think it will succeed? And if it does succeed, hypothetically,
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  Speaker 1: how does that affect Ezekiel thirty eight?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that first of all, something that people
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  Speaker 2: need to realize is that if the current Islamic Republic
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  Speaker 2: of Iran is toupled in is you know, it comes
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  Speaker 2: to an end. Whatever is going to replace that government
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  Speaker 2: does not necessarily mean that they will be friendly to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: M Okay, people go, oh, you know, the Ayatadas will
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  Speaker 2: be gone, and we're going to go back to pre
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine Iran when you saw you know, Iranian
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  Speaker 2: ladies on the be Bikini and then you know, we've
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  Speaker 2: seen those all black and white photos and you know,
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  Speaker 2: like Iran was like like the Paris of the UH,
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  Speaker 2: you know, of of the Middle East. And and so
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  Speaker 2: we don't know that it would go back to that.
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  Speaker 2: We have no guarantee it could get in another dictator UH.
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  Speaker 2: And and the dictator could you know, could UH could
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  Speaker 2: be couldn't be not so friendly to Israel. Chances are
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  Speaker 2: it's probably gonna be. It won't be as bad as
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  Speaker 2: UH as the current regime, but we don't know who's
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  Speaker 2: going to take its place. What I think in most
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  Speaker 2: cases it's gonna it seems like it's going to bring
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  Speaker 2: peace to the region from that part of the region.
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  Speaker 2: But we know from scripture that for Ezequel thirty eight
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  Speaker 2: that happen with Israel, there's going to be peace at
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  Speaker 2: that time. So all I'm saying is that again I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to John, we're doing we're recording a show
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  Speaker 2: earlier today and I keep bringing up that word. This
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  Speaker 2: is my favorite word lately, convergence. We have a convergence
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  Speaker 2: of a convergence of world events right now, like at
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  Speaker 2: a speed and intensity that we've never experienced, not in
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  Speaker 2: my lifetime. I don't know. I mean, you're younger than
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  Speaker 2: me by fifteen years, although we don't we look the
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  Speaker 2: same age really just kidding, but there's a convergence of
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  Speaker 2: events right now. I mean the fact, I mean the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East and my goodness, you know, before we started
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  Speaker 2: the show, I made that reference, that joke. I said,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't like the current events right now, wait
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  Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Things are changing. Things could be happening as
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  Speaker 2: we're recording the show. But I think Iran, it looks
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  Speaker 2: like if that revolution picks up moment and that we're
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  Speaker 2: sorry that movement it's not a revolution yet. If that
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  Speaker 2: movement picks up momentum, they probably it could probably end
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  Speaker 2: up in and in in the end of the Islamic regime.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know, we need to find out where
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  Speaker 2: Comin he is, and nobody knows where he is right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember even when in the height of
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  Speaker 1: the Israel War, you know, just recently Comany wasn't hiding
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  Speaker 1: and there he was. He was sick, he's he's not
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  Speaker 1: a very healthy individual. I think he's in his eighties.
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  Speaker 1: And and they that there was no public comments by him,
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  Speaker 1: even though he was allegedly overseeing the war from the
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  Speaker 1: War center. But he went into hiding even back then.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not surprising even now to see that he
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  Speaker 1: there was. Again Rubers, so if what John Holler is
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  Speaker 1: saying is true, he's got good sources that what do
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  Speaker 1: you have. I'll remind people though, in this whole conversation
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  Speaker 1: that I remember in the nineties, you know, again this
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  Speaker 1: was pre Ertawan and Israel. I mean, remember, you know
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  Speaker 1: Iran was very friendly, I said Earnawan, I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: of Turkey, but I was thinking of that of the
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  Speaker 1: conversations that you had, even with Turkey as an example,
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  Speaker 1: That's where I was going, is that Turkey was very
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  Speaker 1: friendly to Israel, part of NATO, and everybody's wondering, well,
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  Speaker 1: how is Turkey going to be involved in this Ezekiel
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  Speaker 1: thirty eight. They're they're very friendly to Israel, and then
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  Speaker 1: but you know what prophecy will be fulfilled? So of course,
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  Speaker 1: fast forward ten years Boom everything's different. And so in
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  Speaker 1: the same way, no matter what happens in Iran here,
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  Speaker 1: whether this movement this you know, basically anti Islamic movement there,
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  Speaker 1: anti Komane regime, whether it succeeds or not, there's a
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  Speaker 1: destiny of Ezekiel thirty eight. And it will happen. And
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  Speaker 1: so as you know, again, as we watch, we'll see
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  Speaker 1: more and more.
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  Speaker 2: But there is a destiny of Exicil thirty eight. And
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  Speaker 2: it is also I think we're at a place in
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  Speaker 2: our world history where and you know, I don't like
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  Speaker 2: saying it, but I think it's a reality. No matter
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  Speaker 2: what Islamic regime is toppled down or eliminated, Uh, another
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  Speaker 2: one pops up and and and we have this uh,
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  Speaker 2: this cancer of of of of the threat of the
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  Speaker 2: global caliphate that is not going to go away. And Mondo,
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  Speaker 2: uh you got you guys are in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in near the Dallas area. You should see what's
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  Speaker 2: happening in our area right now.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: There is a town not too far from us, uh, Josephine.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Josephine. Uh uh not too far from where
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  Speaker 2: I live and where our office is. I tell you
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  Speaker 2: what a big Islamic center is being built. They're not
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  Speaker 2: following city ordinance, they're not following the permits to doing
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  Speaker 2: it anyway. Uh. And uh, you know it's U and
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  Speaker 2: I know it's like we're moving away from from from
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  Speaker 2: a topic of Iran, but it's a connected to this
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  Speaker 2: Islamic uh. Uh global jihad so to speak. Uh. They're
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  Speaker 2: really pushing really hard right now, uh to to really
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  Speaker 2: make a I mean settling in Texas and changing things
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  Speaker 2: in Texas. Because if I Slam, you know, radical or
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  Speaker 2: Slam can can take over in Texas in a way,
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  Speaker 2: that's going to make a difference. They're going to say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, if they we got Texas under control,
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  Speaker 2: that will be sending a message to the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the US. We got Texas. Don't think we can get
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  Speaker 2: you because Texas is you know, I mean, come on, Texas,
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  Speaker 2: Texas is tex I think there's a reason why they're
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  Speaker 2: they're putting that effort. McKinney. About an hour north of me,
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  Speaker 2: there's another area, you know, being built. It's it's they're
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  Speaker 2: popping up like faster than gas stations and seven elevens.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's very very scary, very scary what's happening,
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  Speaker 2: and so Iran might not be a force in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East anymore, at least for a while, but a
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  Speaker 2: radical Islam is not going away. And then I think
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  Speaker 2: about another thing, ah Mahmoudabas. How old is Mahmoudabas? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Late yeah, late eighties?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what happens when he dies? Who's gonna take his place?
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  Speaker 2: Is it going to be another Fatah leader that's more
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  Speaker 2: moderate than Hamas or is it going to leave a
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  Speaker 2: vacuum that's going to be filled by another Hamas operative
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  Speaker 2: or Hamas leader or another name that we don't know yet,
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  Speaker 2: because they come up with new names, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they do new things, but there's the same ideology. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of things happening in the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: right now, and you know, can't keep up.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, no, it's true. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: I just looked up he's he he's ninety years old.
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  Speaker 1: So the end, like you said that, who's in the wings?
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt there's a lot of radicalism there in
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  Speaker 1: the Palestinian authority, which the State of Israel recognizes that
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  Speaker 1: they are not gonna That's why they said we're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna allow the Palaestinatee authority to rule in Gaza as well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so you know, at least New York is safe.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, of course, of course not anymore. Well, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and this is where it's interesting that US having just
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  Speaker 1: a conversation again understanding Middle East, you know, going back
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  Speaker 1: to college.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And but the average typical American, and I would say,
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  Speaker 1: in many ways, even President Trump doesn't really understand the
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  Speaker 1: nature of what you just described. And so it's easy
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  Speaker 1: for people to throw a label of wow, you guys
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  Speaker 1: are just a bunch of Islamophobias, and you go, you go,
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  Speaker 1: do you not understand? I mean, by their own admission,
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  Speaker 1: they it's it is a global jihad. It's a world gihad.
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  Speaker 1: They'll do it anyway. They can look at Europe. They're
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: they're not seeking to assimilate, they're seeking to concker.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: They're trying to do it through political means, which they
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't do through Originally it was through force, right, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: either submitted or you got the sword. So that's the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: historical perspective of Islaman And they don't deny this. I mean,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that's what the word she means. So but when you
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: look at how they have the long game. And so
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you look at dearborn Michigan, you look at Minneapolis. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: mean these things that you know, now it's and now,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's Austin, it's Dallas. We're seeing some of it
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: right here, even in Oklahoma City. So this it's not
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: as Lamophobia in the sense of being naive. It's the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: reality that this is simply part of the plan. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: if all you gonna do is listen to the listen
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to the e moms, they'll tell you exactly.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: The or the you know, I was watching this morning
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: A nineteen eighty nine recorded a meeting of regular It
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: was like they were like city council people of sorts,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: and they were part of the Muslim brotherhood, and and
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: there they were talking to a group of people and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: they were saying, you know, we're not trying to integrate
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the community and and and and go along with what
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: they're doing. We're trying to change the way they do
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: things so they can line up with the teaching of Islam,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the teaching of the Quran. Nineteen eighty nine. So it
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: was that it's almost forty years ago. It's you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: it's uh they're they're basically trying to change it to
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a global caliphate under sharia law. Now, I want to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: say something because a lot of people on my programs
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: when I talk about this, and I'm sure you get
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: that too, you get the haters on you know, on
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: on YouTube, and you know all those comments and you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: calling us racists and xenophobes and all those words. And people, listen,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Islamophobia is not racism. It's it cannot be. It's not
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the same because it Islam is not a race. Islam
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is an ideology. So when I say I'm Islamophobic, it
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: means I have the fear of islam Phobia as a fear.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I have the fear of Islam. Why am I scared
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of it? Well, I'm not scared because I know that
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Jesus has got my back and I'm saved and I
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: will spend attorney with in the presence of God because
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I trusted Jesus forty two years ago. That's a different story.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: But I have a fear of the ideology of Islam
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: because it teaches that if you don't agree with them,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: they want to kill you, maim you, whatever. So it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a dangerous ideology. It's a violent ideology, but it's an
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: ideology that includes religion, a community, banking system. But it's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: as a whole as the Quran teaches it. It's much
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: more than just a religion. But it never is a race.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: You've got Arab Muslims, You've got Filipino Muslims. It's not
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: a race. So being Islamophobic is not being racist. Please
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: understand this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think specificity is super important, uh, in just
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: defining our terms. But on that so you bring up
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this this question. Note, why would Iran uh support which
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it has uh, Venezuela Maduro? Why would China support Maduro?
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: You know, why would Cuba support Maduro? I mean, what's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: what does China which is communistic and atheistic and socialistic
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Cuba is?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: How does Iran play in this? What's what's the basically?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Who's the common enemy here?
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Israel? I mean the common is that we are.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Going well well or in the United States? I would
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: say for sure in the sense of Venezuela and the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: big Satan.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, yep, and uh, yes, the common the common enemy
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: is Israel and the United States absolutely and uh, Israel
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: being the little Satan in America or the West is
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: the big Satan, so they all work together. Uh. You know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't know until recently that actually there was more
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: oil in Venezuela than there was in the in the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Middle of Arabia. I mean, I don't really follow the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: numbers that way. I know there's a lot of oil
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East, in the you know, in Saudi Arabia,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: there's more in Venezuela.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, the world's largest reserve, I know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And I get a little nervous when I hear Trump
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: saying We're gonna run Venezuela. That that's that sounds a
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: little uh like a like a like a you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: King Trump.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You know, which you know, I'm just saying, well, I this,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing what I find interesting is
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: there's pictures of Maduro with Kamani. I mean, you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Iran is in the other side of the world. There
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: there they if they had their way, Communism with its
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: atheistic ideology doesn't work for Sharia, right, so even if
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: they had to admit it. And there's no out that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the Chinese have been fighting with Islam and on its
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: periphery in its country, no doubt, just as it does
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it does persecute Muslims as well as it does Christians,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: no doubt, because it's again anti religion in general. But
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: so this is where what do you think the motive
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: then would be.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting is you just said, is that you know, uh,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you know, Marxism and and and uh and radical Islam
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: really don't don't mix. And yet we hear all the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: time of the red green axis. What is the red
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: green axis? It is exactly that is, those two forces
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of evil working against Western civilization. And which, of course
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, the the the the postal boy for Western
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: civilization has been the United States for the longest time.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Well you said it right, the Judeo Christian Western civilization really,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: even though again that the Judaism or the Jedaeo Christian
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: values isn't specific to the of Israel. You know that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: began in nineteen forty eight. It goes back to the Bible.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And so you have, of course, as you mentioned, the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Little Satan and Big Satan. So it's like this, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy is my friend. And so this
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is where you have you know, they're common They're common
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: enemy is the United States and to see us weakened
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and therefore if we were gone, then what happens afterwards, Well,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that would be a great question. How's China going to
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: respond to Islam, how's you know, Iran going to respond
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to to secular China. Well we know that that doesn't
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't mix.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: They don't get along. But but again, if they can
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: work together. And you know, like you said, the enemy
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: of Miami is my friend, the enemy is my of
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: my enemy is my friend. They don't get along except
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: when they have a common goal. And this is why,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: this is why you see crazy things happen in the world,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like queers for Palestine, which you know, uh, you know
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: might as well have you know, chicken for KFC. You know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense, but uh, they they will
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: work together. They're not that their ideologies are not are
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: not agreeing. And I think for me, I'm following pretty
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: closely because I think it's it's a very good, uh
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to keep the temperature of where things are going. I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: following as much as possible the moves of Zoron Mamdani
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: mm hm, because he is actually uh, the red green
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: axis embodiment in one person. Because by his own admitting
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he claims to be a Muslim. He also claims to be,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you know, a part of the social Democratic Socialist of America,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the Marxists of America. So he claims to have in
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: his person both ideologies. Uh. And he's already done, as
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: you know, in the first few days of his of
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the year, he's already uh, basically revoked all the executive
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: orders that my are his predecessor Eric Adams I put
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: in place, putting the Jewish community at risk. And so
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: it's uh, he's already broken his promises of you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: free trans free public transportation just went up to three
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: dollars per ticket yesterday. Uh. And uh, so that's a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: broken promise, I can tell you right now again. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: mark my words, the only promises he's not going to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: break out the ones that have to do with not
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: supporting Israel. That is going to go full blown on
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: that he already has showed is uh is uh. He
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: is not in agreement with the United the United Nations
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: holocaust uh definition of the definition of the Holocaust, of
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of anti Semitism. Sorry, not my favid definition, but a
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: good working one for now. He just said, you just said, no,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: we're not we're not supporting that. You know, he wants
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to globalize the Dafada is I mean, how far is
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: he going to go? I think, you know, if he
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: keeps making progress, is going to really encourage others to
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: do the same. And America, I mean New.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: York at least, I mean what people are leaving.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: New York right now. And you know you were asking
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: me earlier and you thought that you thought recently it
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: was reported and I didn't see that report. What did
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: you get that report that it was a loss of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: immigration to Israel?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I sung don't. I don't remember the link that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I saw, But I just saw in the last couple
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: of days that the net immigration was was a loss,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: which I was surprised by that, and I thought, that's interesting,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: That's what I was asking you.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That surprises me because I mean, I've been to Israel
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: since October seventh, twenty twenty three. I've been there four times,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and every time I go there's more construction, I mean massive. Now,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you're not talking about a little home here, sif construction.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Cranes everywhere, Cranes in Tel Aviv and the Tanya and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Kafras Aba in Beersheba, everywhere, cranes, cranes, cranes, building they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: preparing for, you know, a big agcome, a big return
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of the Jews from the d'aspora. I wish there was
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: some kind of a prophecy in the Bible that would
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: speak of that, But there's not, is there?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Oh man? I think there is really maybe like Ezekiel
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: thirty six, yep.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And I think we're seeing it right now. We're seeing
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: that happening in front of our very eyes. Has been
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: going on for a while. I would love to see
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the link. I would love for you to send me
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that and take a look at it, because I have
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: seen the opposite.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm surprising. That's I thought, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you never know what's real. And I saw this and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I thought, I'll ask Olivier about it. Because right now Israel,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: their economy's up, growth is up, you know, exports are up,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, prices for houses are down. They're they're in
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a inflations down. I mean right now, with especially with
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the war, the recent war and all the problems they've
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: had over the last years, they truly are entering into
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: probably one of their best golden ages in a long time.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: And there's no doubt if people know, I mean, uh
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Net and Yahoo. You know, he was educated in America
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and M I, T and H. But he originally was
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: you know, he's an economics guy, so when you look
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: at his history, he's he's kind of running Israel like
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Trump in the sense of from a business mindset. And
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it's working.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's what they're They're having a good you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: their economy has done real well right now. And uh
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: so I see more Jews going back from America from
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: but again you know, from Europe also as well. The
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: challenge with that is that moving to Israel. Uh for
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Jews making Aliyah, it's not easy. You know, you move,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: you move to a country where you know, I heard
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it said a few years ago if you want to
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: become a millionaire in Israel, you have to start as
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: a billionaire. Okay, so that's what they say, but it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: probably not the case for everywhere. But it's very expensive,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: very difficult. There is the language barrier, there is the
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: size of the country, which is not that big, but
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the size of New Jersey right now will get bigger
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: during the millennium. But so it's it's difficult. So I
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: also hear people going moving to Israel and a couple
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of years later, going like it's not working. I'm going
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: back to Canada. I'm going back to the United States.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So it's not one hundred percent they you know, one way,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: there are people that just don't make it. I wanted
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to ask you your opinion on this because I just
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: saw this poster for an event that's going to take place.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know when this was going to post, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: it's going to take place. You know, it's taking place
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: early in January, where there's a pro test against this
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: organization called Neffesh Benefesh. Nefish Benefice is one of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: two main organizations global that are helping the Jews make
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Aliyah under the Law of Return. And there's the Jewish
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: agency in Niffish Benefesh. Kniffish Beneficial I believe, was the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: organization that was doing the gathering at that synagogue on
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the Park East a few weeks ago when there was
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: that protest outside that looked like almost like a program.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And so Mom Danny is actually promoting and supporting this thing.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And I saw the poster today where they're saying, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Jews basically they want to protest this this meeting of
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Nefish Benefitich because they want to send a message that
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Jews have no right to the land. So on one end,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the anti Semits in New York and rest of the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: world are saying, go home, we don't want you here,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: go home. And from the other side of their mouth,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: they're saying, you have no right to the land of Israel.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: So mondo, where is zoom for us?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. But what I've seen too is
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: is that the persecution what you see in the Jewish
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: mindset around the world is again surprisingly New York. I mean,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: New York is the largest concentration of Jewish people outside
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of the Land of Israel. You have a big concentration
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: certainly in Los Angeles, you know, in Chicago, but New
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: York is the main hub. And so yeah, so you
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have all this right, and you go, okay, well we
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: see what's happening in Europe. Of course you're an expert
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: on anti Semitism, so you see all this and what
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: they're they go, well, the French government's not going to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: protect me, the UK government's not going to protect me,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and now the New York City government's not going to
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: protect me. And so where can I go in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: world where I know that the specific purpose of the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: government is to protet Jewish people. Well, there's only one
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: place for that. That's the state of Israe Jewish state.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: And and and by the way, when you say, you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the French government is not going to protect me, uh,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it's not just that they don't want to, is that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: they are at a place right now in the history
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: of mankind where they're admitting that they can't. A couple
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago, friends canceled the big to do on
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the chans Lys with the Christmas and New Year's Eve
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: parade because they cancel it. We're canceling the Christmas parade
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: because we don't think we can control uh Islamic terrorism
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and it's too complicated, So they cancel that. So they're
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're seeing that there's a problem. It's not
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: even that they don't want to protect the Jews, uh,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: they just they can't. It's got it's it's getting out
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of hand. Yep.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's and this is where we feel or
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: we see any way that it's it's not going to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: go anywhere in the sense of this The problem of
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: anti Semitism, which again is primarily not only, but primarily
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: rooted in radical Islam. Uh, you know, I say, primarily,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but not only that's very important. It's not going where,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's not stopping, and this I think will help the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: immigration back to the state of Israel, no doubt. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: think that's not that's not going to go anywhere. So
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that's why I was kind of surprised at that. I'll
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: look and see if I can find that article or
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: get an update on it. But let me ask you this,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you know, again, just another question as things are happening,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: What's what's the latest with Gaza? What's happening there? I mean,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is is Trump riverea Gaza coming?
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Is what's what's the update? What can you tell us?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Uh? Personally, I think that the plan for Gaza is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a joke. I mean, they want
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Turkey and Katar to be in charge of the rebuilding,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: and we know that Turkey and Qatar are really really
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: good friends of the Jews, good friend of Israel, so
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: that's gonna that's gonna go real well. Uh, but but
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: even if they were making an effort to be friendly, Uh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: then there's the issue of of Hammas not wanting to
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: disarm and not wanting to surrender. So until Hamas is
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: completely gone. Uh, nothing is gonna work. And and and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: right now, as far as I can tell, as of today,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: there's still the body of one uh one hostage that
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is dead and they have not returned the body. Some
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: people say they don't know where it is. Some people
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: say they do. Uh. The reality is that body is
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: what is holding Hamas uh in in in in. Basically,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: that's keeping Hamas is safe because the minute they release
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: that body, there's no reason for Israel not to just
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: go blanket bombing the whole place and say let's kill
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: them all and rebuild on top of that, because they're
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: gonna have to destroy those tunules anyway. It's really unsafe.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: You can't build on top of I mean, it's like
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Swiss cheese in the Gaza strip. And so when I
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: talk to it, you know, there's a few a few
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: people in the Ideaf that I'm in touch with on
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: a regular basis, and uh, well they're in Gaza. There,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: there's still they're still you know, cleaning up in Gaza
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: right now. It's not over it by all means that
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: it's not a big, you know, full blown war anymore,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: but they're still cleaning up there's still pockets of of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of of Hamas tourists and they won't let go there.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Hamas is very unorganized right now. It's more like a
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: little gorilla group and they you know, every time there
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: is a I feel sorry for the next person who's
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: gonna be elected as the next leader of Ramas because
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: he's probably going like no, no, no, no, it's okay, it's okay,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know you you're a new leader. Or no, no,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: no it's okay. I'd rather not. I'd rather not because
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you know it's the next thing, you know, he's gone.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: So so they're really not super organized. But you know,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: terrorism does not need to be organized. It just needs
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: to be terrorizing. It needs to drop a bomb here,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: kill a person there. We see what happened, and uh,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: we see what happened in that on October seventh. That
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: was more organized. But still all you have to do
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: is is you know, hit at random and and not
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: tell people when, where and how many. And that's that's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the the virtue so to speak, of terrorism, which is
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: not a virtue. So I think Hamas is not not
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: completely finished, and uh there is the problem. Also, let's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: say you get rid of all of Hamas again, all
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Hamas is gone. Have we gotten rid of radical Islam?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: No?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Another group will pop up. You know you hear Ramas Uh?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Uh the one in in in in Africa. What is
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: it called? Uh? I forgot the name is two words.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Another Islamic group or you've got a kada, You've got
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I says, Yeah, a new one comes up. It's the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: same ideology. Uh. So I don't think it's going away,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's gonna go away until I
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: think after the rapture, when the Anerchrist comes, because he
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: will be able to put an end to it, at
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: least for three and a half years.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because let's let's be honest. I mean, when he
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: comes in to declare himself to be God, you know
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: he's he and Daniel tells us that he doesn't acknowledge
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: any God except himself and of course in that sense,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and then the dragon. So it's not like he comes
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in and is embracing Islamic theology by any means.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: No, But he's gonna to be able to to to
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: make progress. Uh, He's going to have to earn the
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: trust of the people who have been left behind. And
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that's where he's gonna probably do what what what what
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: appears to be miracles. I remember the name Bukoharama as
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the group I was thinking of. Uh so, uh, I mean,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I can see the Antichrist working in the mind of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: people in such a way that the Arabs and the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Palestinians will tell the Jewish community, rebuild your tempo, we've
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: got you back. That could have during the first half
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of the tribulation. I can see that totally happening. We'll
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: work with you. Well, sorry, you can't really work with us,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: because it has to be done by Jews. But can
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: you watch around so that nobody bugs us? Absolutely will
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: be your security, and they will and then three a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: half here down the road, you know, all hell breaks loose.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Do you see that as a possibility.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, there's no doubt.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It has to be that way, because again, you your's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: one point three billion Muslims and they're not going to
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: be raptured, so you know, and however many Christians you
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: pull off the earth, you know, there's that three hundred million,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: five hundred million, who knows. But nevertheless, there's going to
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: be a big gap of I mean, there's gonna be
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: an absence of true religion, you know, and then of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: course the process begins of seeing people come to know
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Jesus through that time. But you think about
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the influence there and how this person, this figure, this
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: this coming world ruler is going to seek again. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: think I don't know if it was you and I talking,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: but he wants the Temple built because that's where he's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: gonna go blasphem. So I think he wants the Temple
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: built more than the Jewish people do, because if you're
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: gonna blasphem God, the best place to do it is
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: in the heart of Israel, in the heart of Jerusalem,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in the heart of the Temple Mount, which is the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Temple itself. So in that regard, I think he wants
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the Temple built more than anybody. So yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: bring him in. He's gonna do whatever it takes to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: make sure that happens, because his desire is to insult
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: into blasphem and commit the abomination of desolation, which in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the heart of the heart of the apple of God's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Ei is in Jerusalem, where he put his name.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So do you think you, I know, you've got connection.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You knew a few people, I know a few things
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: about the red heifers. So I'm going to ask you
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a question. Hahaha, that was a joke. You're the expert
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: on the red heifers. We all know that. Do you
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: think that the ceremony of the red heifer burning the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: red heifer for the ashes of the red heifer? Do
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you think it will not happen until after the rapture?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever asked you that, you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: because it would be it'd be easier to make it
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: happen with the Antichrist and is as charisma and his
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: leadership to make it happen between Jews and Arabas. Come on, guys,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: this is part of rebuilding the temple. You're gonna help
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: let him do their thing.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt that the geopolitics that would allow the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: red heifer ceremony to happen. We know exactly where on
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: the Mount of Olives there's two pieces of property there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt that the under that rubric of the
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Antichrist where he causes the Mosaic Covenant to prevail for
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Israel Daniel nine twenty seven. There's no doubt that the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: most ideal time that I could think of would be
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: at that time. Now, it could happen before if the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: politics change, but there's no doubt that when that when
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: he causes the Mosaic Covenant to prevail, that is when
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the freedom is released.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the ideal time to make
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it happen properly. But you say it could happen before.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: But then remember what did Hamas say when they hit
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Israel on October seven, twenty twenty three. Why did they
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: do it? Tell us?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, they came out in January of
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: twenty four. They had never mentioned it before ever, but
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: in January twenty four they came out with their public
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: statement saying it was because of the Red Heifers that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: we attacked on October seventh, which is a complete lie,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: just propaganda. But nevertheless, that's why I say, if the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: geopolitics before the Covenant is, you know, basically prevailing over
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the land, it could happen. They just would have to
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: have major Israeli security to make that happen. It is
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it is in the heart of East Jerusalem, so they
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: could do it again, but you have to have the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: political will, and what we do see right now, we
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: see some of the political will modifying in Jerusalem, right,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: because they're talking about annexine jude and Samaria that they
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: had a vote when jd Vance was there a few
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: months ago in the Kanesset talking about it was non binding,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: but it was kind of like, no, we're going to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: do this, so you do what you see a large segment.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I think they're just picking their battles wisely. I think
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yahoo is a very masterful politician, and so he's he's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: choosing it wisely for sure.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know, Judea Samaria. I think also
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they have to really keep control of Judas Samaria, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: maybe an nexing is is definitely something that needs to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: happen because Judea Samaria is going to be probably the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: next area where Hamas could hit. There's probably seventy to
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of the of the Palestinians in Judea Samaria
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: support what Hamas did, so seventy to eight. This is seventy,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: not eighty. Seventy three quarters of of of Palestinians in
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Judea Samaria support the move that Hamas made on October
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: sevent twenty twenty three, meaning that if they were to
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: do something similar, they would probably get a lot of
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: sympathizers in different pockets and it could be very damaging.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure there's a lot of of of of
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: things being watched very closely in Judia Samaria, and the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: next thing might might become a reality to keep better control.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: So we have to wait, yep.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: And I think the main thing that people who might
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: not know this, you know, there's there's three types of
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: sovereignty in Israel. You know, Area A, B and Area C. Right,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: so you have the area it's pretty much what you're
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: describing in Samaria. It's it's pretty much monitored and controlled
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: by the Arabs. But the area of C is is Israel,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and B is kind of a middle ground. But the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: the the question is is for them to annex Samaria.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It creates a whole other layer of complications because if
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you're going to annex it and make it part of Israel,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, you just granted citizenship
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to all of those people and now they get to vote.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: So there's that's why there's been a reluctance on the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: part of Israeli government through the years, because if you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: live in if you live in again Area C, which
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: is Israel, you can be an Arab, doesn't matter. You
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: can have citizenship, and there are Arab coalitions in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Kanessets because they live in Israel proper, and so they're
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that the way that the the government or the constitutional
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: rules set up, you can do that. But if they
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: go annex they're going to be flooding in now two
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: million two million Arabs or so. That's that can be
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: problematic from a democratic voting perspective.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: So they're they're kind of reluctant to go full annexation. Uh,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and so there'd have to be some sort of other
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: middle ground. But never nevertheless, as you mentioned, uh, the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: security perspective, they still yeah, they still maintain sovereignty over it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But yeah, because we've been you know, Charlaman Messaia, we've
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: been working with a with an organization called Moldette, which
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: means homeland in Hebrew, and then installed sensors and cameras
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in the settlements where people have their farms and their
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: cattle and then they lived there. And I was there
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: last March and last August in twenty twenty five. We
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: visited some of those farms and you see, you're basically
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: on the hill when they have their their property that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: they're building. And and when I say property, don't think
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: home with a pool, Okay, I think like a you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: like a compound with a meeting hall and a barn
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and and you know, I mean it's like a you
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: know me not key boots, but you know, the little
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: community thing. And it starts with the family too. And
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: then they show you down the hill and said, you
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: see this over there, there's a little Arab village, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: one over there and one over there, and they pop
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: up like mushroom. They take they take root and they
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: just take the land. And they say if we don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: do something, if we don't, if we're not in the land,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: they will eventually take it all illegally. And and so
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: there they're this organization is installing cameras and sensors for
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: people to have to be able to see what's happening.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It's a really great, a great project that we've been
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: working we've been supporting. Uh and uh and but that
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: it shows what's going on in Judea, Samaria. Is that Uh?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I think the last farmer we visited, he like,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I think he owns seventy thousand acres, but He couldn't
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: be everywhere, but he had to be there and he
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: had to have presence because otherwise Palestinian villages will pop
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: up and they build, they build, build, Bill bil Bit
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: and it becomes theirs, and then to pull them out
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: of the area becomes very, very difficult.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's political, because political that do you see a
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: do you see a rift at all? My last question
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: for you, do you see a rift at all between
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and Yahoo and Trump?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I called both of them today. They did not answer
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the call, so I couldn't tell you. I mean, did
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: you try to call.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Them to Well, I was waiting for you. I was
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: gonna interview you on this, so I thought, certainly I would.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I'm gonna tell you
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: what John told me because I did ask him a
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: similar question, and he said, Olivier, I often wonder if
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of what we hear about the differences of
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: opinion and the the the what appears to be a
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: rift or a crack and a Trump bybe a relationship,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: is not something that they work on together to maybe
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: offset some other things they're working on. There are more serious.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I tend to think that it is a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: masterful orchestration of perceived rift. And then of course nobody
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: ever agrees one hundred percent on anything, but never nevertheless,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of if you see the way that the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: bombing went, and uh, you know allegedly, you know that
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Yahoo's on his way different things, and there's a fight
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden boom, some sort of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: mission happens where they work together beautifully, but it puts
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: it puts people off. And I think this latest thing
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that happened with in Venezuela as well, Uh there's you
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: don't build up, you know, massive amounts of ships and
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: stuff down in the Caribbean for no reason. And uh
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: so in the same way all these things that are happening,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I think it is what I've seen with and how
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and Trump is they are master tacticians. Ye uh, they're
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: their master pr you know, public relations, and to see
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: how how they act and they say, hey, you say this,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be mad at you. And and now
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you know it's going to come out and he's going
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: to say this. But I think it's all orchestrated.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: It could be just to get people people's attention somewhere
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: else so they can quietly do another operation and so
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: that that you know, they're both very capable of of
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: actions like this, and it's it's it's part of the
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: you know the game of making things happen. I mean, uh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: the the attack on Iran was a surprise. The the
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: removal of Maduro was a surprise. Uh, those things even
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: when you think about the the the pagers in Lebanon,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, they'd worked on this for what fifteen years,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: so uh, you know, and in the meantime they tell
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: you they do other things. So this this relationship with
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: between Trump and and and BB, I think they're working together.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: There were looking well together. Now, mind you, I'm not
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: sure and this is probably gonna rub people the wrong
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: way when I say this, but I don't know if
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Trump is really a true friend of Israel in a
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: biblical sense more than he is a friend of Israel
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: in a strategic strategic or economic strategic deal sense. I
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: don't think. I don't think Trump is a Christian Zionist,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: because I'm not even sure he's a Christian. That's for
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: another day. But I think he's more of a you know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I will help Israel as long as there's something for
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: me and we're not like about the oil necessarily, but
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: if if it's if at the end of the day,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: it makes him look good and and it's like, hey,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: you know what I brought peace in the Middle East.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, the biggest loser if peace doesn't come in
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: God's out real soon will be Trump, who already sold
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the whole thing as it's a done deal. Yep, yep.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. That the majority. If you,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: if you, if you define Trump his motives in one word,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: which is you know, I follow his telegram and true
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: social There's one word that he that got that drives him,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and that is winner. He wants to win that that's
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: his his and it's some time however he gets there.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: He wants to be known as the one who won
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East. He wants to be know the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: one who won in South America, who won against China,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: so and all those things. I find it fascinating that
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, what he he wanted
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to be the one that that won in moving the
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: embassy to Jerusalem, and he did that, you know, twenty.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Ye you did it. It's a good thing. But but
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: but but Christians need to understand he's not necessarily doing
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: it because he's a Christian, Zionist or or dispensationalist. This
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: is this is not on his radar. I don't think
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I agree he doesn't even know that. So Olivia, thanks
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: for joining me today. Any final thoughts, remind people where
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: they can find you.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: They can find us at Shaloman Messiah dot com. And
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I have a new book that's on Amazon, and I
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: even think that you guys carry it too. It's anti
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Semitism in the end Times that it talks a lot
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: about those things or Proba seventh and beyond. And friends,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: pray for Israel. But also this is time not to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: have skin in the game. Do something to tell you
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Jewish friends, your Jewish neighbors that you have their back.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: It is it's time we go from being pro Israel
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to becoming proactive for Israel. That's the move we need
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: to make.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, amen, And we you know, we know for sure
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that there is no salvation in any other name than Jesus,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and so that's true for Jews and Gentiles no matter what.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: So but nevertheless, we pray for everybody to be saved, Arabs, Jews, French,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: even the French. We want them to be saved. I mean,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: even the French, so generous of you, even the French. Hey,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: most of my all my family on my dad's side
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: is all French, so I have more French than anything else,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So that's good. Well, thanks everybody for listening today. As always,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: thank you for your prayers and support. We really really
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Couldn't do it without you and God blessed.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.