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55KRC Friday Show - Warren Davidson, Andrew Ferguson, Jay Ratliff · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Ready? I had no idea what was going on. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, Tally? I kind of feel the same way
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  Speaker 1: this morning. Happy Friday Eve. Brian Thomas, I am host
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  Speaker 1: of the 55KRC Morning Show. I'm glad to be in
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  Speaker 1: be a show. Good morning, Joe Strecker. Good to see
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  Speaker 1: you in there. And, of course, good morning to all
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  Speaker 1: Real tax reform. Big picture. Jack Atherton every Wednesday at 7.05.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate Jack joining the program. Just so informative and interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Today's program features, of course, Congressman Warren Davidson. We get
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  Speaker 1: him on Thursdays at 7.05. This morning, we've got quite
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  Speaker 1: a few things to talk with him about. The vice
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  Speaker 1: president's visit to Middletown with the announcement of the $ 1 billion,
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  Speaker 1: with a B, investment from the Cleveland Cliffs and the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Energy to Middletown Works. We will talk about
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  Speaker 1: what that's going to be. Also, subject matter for Judge
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  Speaker 1: Napolitano and Jack Atherton, $ 40 trillion. We've crossed the mark
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  Speaker 1: that people are now paying attention to, the national debt,
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  Speaker 1: thanks to Republicans and Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: Period.
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  Speaker 1: End of story. They're all worthy of blame on that one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the city of Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 1: they've been run by Democrats now for 40 years, so
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  Speaker 1: you can blame the Democrats for that one. The United
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  Speaker 1: States has been run by Republicans and Democrats. For the last, well,
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  Speaker 1: I always go back to the Reagan administration because that's really,
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  Speaker 1: when I started paying attention a little bit more closely
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  Speaker 1: to the national debt, I remember Reagan complaining about it.
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  Speaker 1: We hadn't even reached a trillion dollars, if I recall correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Worried about it, worried about it. Red flag, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: how many years has it been? And here we find
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  Speaker 1: ourselves at $ 40 trillion in the hole, and it's growing
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  Speaker 1: every single moment in time. We'll also find out what
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson's priorities are through the end of the year.
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  Speaker 1: So that'll take place at 7.05. Andrew Ferguson. This ought
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  Speaker 1: to be an exciting one considering the meta-settlement, Bill Gates'
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  Speaker 1: warnings about artificial intelligence and AI data centers becoming the
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  Speaker 1: dominant topic for political races all across the country. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like a light switch went on. AI data centers
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  Speaker 1: went from a local issue, township-level issue, to a national issue,
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  Speaker 1: including all the way up to Senate campaigns. Senator Houston
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  Speaker 1: is having a problem right now with Sherrod Brown as
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  Speaker 1: a consequence of AI data centers. Andrew Ferguson's book, Your
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  Speaker 1: Data Will Be Used Against You, Policing in the Age of...
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  Speaker 1: of self-surveillance. He points out data can be accessed by
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  Speaker 1: police and prosecutors looking to find incriminating clues. No probable
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  Speaker 1: cause to do an investigation, yet they're investigating you with
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  Speaker 1: data center information? Cart before the horse? Anyway, in his book,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll talk with him about it, he warns of
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  Speaker 1: how the rise of sensor-driven technology, social media monitoring, and
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence can be weaponized against democratic values and personal freedoms.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly get that. Oh, it is Friday Eve. Jay Ratliff,
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  Speaker 1: iHeartMedia aviation expert. Got a great bunch of topics to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with Jay at the end of the program. Anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: real quick here. You get the memo. Everybody's talking about
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  Speaker 1: data centers. Talking about one of the more than 100
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  Speaker 1: campaigns ads in this cycle. They did some numbers crunching
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  Speaker 1: on this over Politico. Of the more than 100 campaigns
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  Speaker 1: in the ad cycle leading up to November, have mentioning
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  Speaker 1: data centers, not one of the candidates running spots presenting
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  Speaker 1: AI positively, which is a 180 from politicians who pretty
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  Speaker 1: much viewed it as a positive thing. Look, it's tax investment,
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  Speaker 1: it's jobs, it's infrastructure, it's construction jobs. Now it's forcing
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  Speaker 1: both Republicans and Democrats to some of whom, both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the ledger, remember this is not an ideological lane.
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  Speaker 1: People on both sides of the political ledger are either
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  Speaker 1: screaming about him or trying to defend him, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't find a clear ideological line on this. So you
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  Speaker 1: have both Republicans and Democrats who had been previously pro-data
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  Speaker 1: center now backpedaling. And that's a problem that Houston finds
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  Speaker 1: himself in here. But I think, you know, this is,
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  Speaker 1: I personally believe, maybe your comments on this steer me
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  Speaker 1: in a different direction. I really don't believe this is
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  Speaker 1: about noise or electricity generation or water usage, which are
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  Speaker 1: the primary concerns, well, primary articulated concerns people have when
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  Speaker 1: they go to these meetings. What about the water? Okay, fine.
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  Speaker 1: But if you can address all of those things, what
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  Speaker 1: are you left with in terms of your opposition with
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  Speaker 1: data centers? Well, it's what artificial intelligence is going to do.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what Bill Gates was warning about the other
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  Speaker 1: day when he released a memo or an essay, rather,
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  Speaker 1: make AI work for everyone. And it's a rather blunt
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  Speaker 1: warning because he points out AI different than pretty much
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  Speaker 1: every prior technological advance. Call it revolution if you want.
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  Speaker 1: Notably because AI can perform tasks involving human cognition and,
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  Speaker 1: of course, technology spreading rapidly. The idea that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a computer can mirror or mimic the human brain and
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  Speaker 1: contemplating thoughts and, you know, maybe risks, you know, thinking forward.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Worrisome. He identified three major risks in his essay. Permanent
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  Speaker 1: job displacement. There's a red flag for literally everybody. Because
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  Speaker 1: it can eliminate large numbers of entry and mid-level jobs,
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  Speaker 1: notably customer service, sales, software, law, healthcare, and other fields. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: for me in my prior profession, the law. I remember
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  Speaker 1: being an associate, minted right out of law school, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't know jack squat about the actual practice of law.
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  Speaker 1: You've got legal theory, and you can have a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good understanding of the law, generally speaking, but when the
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  Speaker 1: rubber hits the road, find yourself in Hamilton County, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got to deal with the realities of,
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  Speaker 1: in my profession, litigation in that particular jurisdiction. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of learning that comes after that, but I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you what, from what I know about artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: from what I know about drafting memorandum, and that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. First-year associates, second-year, third-year, the entry-level lawyers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of drafting. Initial draft, you hand it
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  Speaker 1: to the partner or senior associate, they bleed all over
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  Speaker 1: it with the red pen, they send it back, and
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  Speaker 1: you go back and forth. AI eliminates the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of that back and forth, giving you a reasonable first
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  Speaker 1: draft of something that any astute lawyer could polish. Site check,
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  Speaker 1: making sure the information that AI spit out is accurate,
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  Speaker 1: for example. But that eliminates the need for even a
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  Speaker 1: whole bunch of younger level associates. And you can see
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  Speaker 1: how that can spread over all the other areas he
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  Speaker 1: talked about. Customer service, software development, AI writes code. Powerful
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  Speaker 1: harm by bad actors is what he also warned about.
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  Speaker 1: Cyber attacks, fraud, deepfakes, disinformation, surveillance, biological threats, all because
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  Speaker 1: of AI easier to execute. Lots of alarming reports on that.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the story we had about a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago when they were doing a modeling system with the
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  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence program, and they had sort of a wall
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  Speaker 1: set up to keep this thing, this AI, contained within
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  Speaker 1: certain parameters? Well, it figured a way to jump out
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  Speaker 1: of its own containment parameters, went into a private company,
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  Speaker 1: hacked into the private company's infrastructure in order to get
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  Speaker 1: information from to answer the question or solve the problem
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  Speaker 1: that it was charged to solve within the parameters and
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  Speaker 1: the geofencing, whatever you want to call it, that the
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  Speaker 1: developers and researchers had set up. Nah, it broke out
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  Speaker 1: of that. Okay, that sounds like a lot of Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: movies I've seen over the years. Finally, damage to human
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  Speaker 1: development and development of relationships. Of course, AI companions could
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  Speaker 1: become addictive, which we've already heard a lot of reports
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  Speaker 1: about that. Kind of pivoting over into metas having to
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  Speaker 1: settle because of the corruption it did to minors. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of information on that one later. But addictive? Discourage
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  Speaker 1: young people from developing social skills? Yeah, and you think
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  Speaker 1: about social media coupled with the COVID-19 lockdowns and the
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  Speaker 1: year's worth of problems that this is going to leave
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  Speaker 1: us with. Isolated people, miserable, maybe depressed, talking with their
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  Speaker 1: chat GPT back and forth because they no longer have
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  Speaker 1: human companions, slightly disruptive to society?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Gates suggested some ways governments and society can address these problems.
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  Speaker 1: He said, you know, artificial intelligence will either be the
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  Speaker 1: greatest equalizer ever invented or the worst source of injustice.
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  Speaker 1: That's a quote. He suggested we need to pause on this.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the Bernie Sanders argument. We need to stop,
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  Speaker 1: put the brakes on completely, give us time to prepare
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  Speaker 1: for this upheaval, if you want to call it that,
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  Speaker 1: because the people most affected by job losses, in Bill Gates' suggestion,
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  Speaker 1: have the least time and resources to adapt. I think
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  Speaker 1: that may be cognitive, intellectual differences among people. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Pointing out while the benefits could be enormous, like health care, agriculture, education,
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  Speaker 1: government services, and I totally agree with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: thinking of my own personal cancer diagnosis, when you're reading
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  Speaker 1: PET scans or CT scans or MRIs, you know, You
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  Speaker 1: have a human being, a radiologist, reviewing the images and finding,
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  Speaker 1: looking for cancer or signs of it or whatever they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for. AI can do that in a moment's time.
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  Speaker 1: Scanning probably far more effectively all those images than a
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  Speaker 1: doctor could do it. So, great idea, great use, but
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  Speaker 1: then the downsides have to be compared to that and
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  Speaker 1: you're left with this question mark. Do the benefits outweigh
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  Speaker 1: the major concerns? So, It's coming your way. And going
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  Speaker 1: back to my point, I think people's opposition to the
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  Speaker 1: data centers themselves more has to do with all the
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  Speaker 1: warnings Bill Gates was throwing out there into the world.
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  Speaker 1: And I need to pause this because it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be life altering. And that is a legitimate criticism. But
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  Speaker 1: these data centers also run the internet, the cloud that
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  Speaker 1: most all of us rely on in some way. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not just the evil of AI and all the
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  Speaker 1: damage it can possibly do to society. We all rely
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  Speaker 1: on computers. You know, you got a smartphone, you need
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  Speaker 1: a data center to crunch all the information, get all
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  Speaker 1: the stuff back and forth. So there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: plus sides to them. And then ultimately, AI is not
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  Speaker 1: going away. And that's what we're left with, putting it
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  Speaker 1: back into the hands of Bill Gates' suggestions and other
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  Speaker 1: people who have commented on this. What do we do
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  Speaker 1: to prevent the catastrophe? And, well, smarter people than me
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  Speaker 1: still haven't figured that one out. 517-55-KRCD Talk Station. How
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  Speaker 1: do you feel? Feel free to give me a call.
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  Speaker 1: Beyond that, got a couple of brief words here. Be
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  Speaker 1: right back. Got plenty to talk about in this hour.
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  Speaker 1: And don't go away.
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  Speaker 5: This is 50.
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  Speaker 1: Happy, happy, happy one to you. Again, the phone number 513-749-5500.
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  Speaker 1: 800-823-TALK or pound 550 on AT & T phones. Good morning, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program, my friend.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, Brian. As always, you and Joe are true patriots, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Love that, brother. Thank you so much. That's a true
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  Speaker 1: compliment in my world.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Well, to give you a little bit of my past, um,
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  Speaker 6: I was literally in school when the first personal computers
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  Speaker 6: were coming out and, um, So I missed the cards
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  Speaker 6: that God, my brother, had to carry around in his
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  Speaker 6: big suitcase.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the IBM cards, Jeff. Yes. Yeah. So I missed that.
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  Speaker 6: But I've watched it since the Amber Screens and all
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  Speaker 6: the way.
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  Speaker 8: Up to today. Yep.
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  Speaker 6: And half the stuff blew my mind. Half the stuff
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  Speaker 6: angered me. Half the stuff made me thrilled. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's technology. I mean, when it first showed up, Nobody
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  Speaker 6: believed that there would be a computer at every gas station.
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  Speaker 6: They laughed at that. Yeah, sure, newfangled things. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I would say my opinion is, whether I like it
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  Speaker 6: or not, we have to have the AI first because
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  Speaker 6: we're the only country on the face of the earth
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  Speaker 6: that most of the time cares about more than than
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  Speaker 6: anything anybody else I mean I mean I haven't seen
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  Speaker 6: us do to our people here in this country what
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  Speaker 6: other countries have done to their people you know for
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  Speaker 6: last thousand years yeah what I would say that we
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  Speaker 6: need the data centers but like Like many people don't
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  Speaker 6: want them in their backyard. I mean, it sounds like that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, newfangled solar panels and stuff. And they don't
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  Speaker 6: want them in their backyards, but we got to have them.
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  Speaker 6: So I think the best thing for those people to
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  Speaker 6: do is just to get, you know, get a good lawyer,
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  Speaker 6: get good lawyers and make sure that those data centers
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  Speaker 6: answer all or make sure they do everything right. that
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  Speaker 6: the community around them wants them to do.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And despite it, it's still going to come.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Jeff, that's been my default position. You know,
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  Speaker 1: every community around can scream and yell about the reality,
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  Speaker 1: but they are out there. These data centers are coming.
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  Speaker 1: The world relies on computers, as you point out. It
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  Speaker 1: took a little while to get used to the concept,
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  Speaker 1: but as you point out, literally, they are everywhere, including
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  Speaker 1: in every one of our pockets. So... And people love
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  Speaker 1: that component of apparently. That's why they're so wildly popular.
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  Speaker 1: That's why people download apps for free and not worry
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  Speaker 1: about their data being hoovered up because they love the
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  Speaker 1: convenience or the entertainment that that given app provides them.
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  Speaker 1: But when you move over to when people realize their
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  Speaker 1: jobs may be lost, well, that was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: reality even back when the original computers started showing up, right?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's streamlined processes. It made life a little
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  Speaker 1: bit easier and we gradually got used to it and
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  Speaker 1: we adapted and everything and I suspect that we will
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  Speaker 1: adapt to AI, but Do you think that my observation
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  Speaker 1: that this is more about the concern and realities of
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  Speaker 1: what AI can do in terms of transforming society, job elimination,
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  Speaker 1: the security fears, the idea that AI can produce bombs
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  Speaker 1: and do nefarious things, is it that or is it just,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, I don't want an ugly, power-consuming data
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  Speaker 1: center in my community anymore?
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  Speaker 6: I think you're right. I think that they don't want
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  Speaker 6: to say it out loud, but they'll use the other
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  Speaker 6: things to try to combat it. But really, they're worried.
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  Speaker 6: But then again, we were worried about the phone. We
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  Speaker 6: were worried about the cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Automobile. Airplanes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: We've always been cautious when it comes to technology. But
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  Speaker 6: as you and I both know, every type of technology
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  Speaker 6: that man has come up with, even the hammer in
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  Speaker 6: your hand, can be used for good and it can
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  Speaker 6: be used for evil. You just got to monitor it.
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  Speaker 6: You can't hide your head in the sand and say, well,
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  Speaker 6: I can just ignore this or I can just, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Wish it away or push it away or whatever when
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  Speaker 6: you and I know that there's just no way to
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  Speaker 6: do it. We left the genie out of the bottle.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of people depend on technology. I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: still remember when, I don't know if I ever told
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  Speaker 6: you this, but I still remember a psychiatrist coming into
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  Speaker 6: my shop because they get everybody, you know, every type
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  Speaker 6: of person. And I joke with them about the Internet
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  Speaker 6: going down for more than a week. And he got
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  Speaker 6: a very serious look on his face and he said,
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  Speaker 6: please don't ever say something like that again. And I'm like, why?
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  Speaker 6: What would happen? He goes, the emergency rooms would be full.
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, are we that bad? And he goes,
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  Speaker 6: oh my gosh. He goes, I've got clients right now,
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  Speaker 6: all ages that would, oh my gosh, it'd be like
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  Speaker 6: cutting off their arm. I mean, it's, and so it's there,
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  Speaker 6: but I hope that, Knowing nature and knowing the real world,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I love everything being up in the cloud
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  Speaker 6: when we've got kamikaze squirrels out there that can take
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  Speaker 6: your power down. But I think that there will always
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  Speaker 6: have to be humans that oversee and aid AI because
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  Speaker 6: AI is never really going to be a human. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you and I both know you can make it like
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  Speaker 6: a human as much as you want, but it's going
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  Speaker 6: to be a whole new entity. So it's going to
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  Speaker 6: need our help overseeing law, overseeing everything. Now, yeah, a
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  Speaker 6: lot of people will lose their jobs, especially if they
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  Speaker 6: have picked some really stupid ones. But, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I think that humanity still needs to be intertwined with
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  Speaker 6: AI for it to grow and actually not destroy its
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  Speaker 6: own self. I mean, I think that if left alone
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  Speaker 6: long enough, it just– I don't think it would function
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  Speaker 6: very well.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you completely. There must be a
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  Speaker 1: human element, but then there's always that concern. Humans, well,
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  Speaker 1: suffer from problems, including self-dealing, motivation, political corruption, their own
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  Speaker 1: best interests, putting ahead of the society's best interests. So
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  Speaker 1: humans also have their own problems, as we have learned
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  Speaker 1: over the entire course of human history. So, yeah. Who's
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  Speaker 1: watching The Watchers? Excellent observations there, Jeff. I appreciate your call, man. Folks,
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  Speaker 1: you can feel free to call in, too. Love to
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: hear from you. And we've got some local stories, apps,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and phone calls. Either way, we're going to move on
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: after these brief words. Have you heard the news? Social
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: media monster.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: 749-5500-800-8235.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: 550 on AT & T phones. Jeff talking about the
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: early days of computers. Remember the cassette? Yeah, you had
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the cassette tape that you recorded the program on. This
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: is before, you know, RAM or ROM. You had your
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: 1200 baud modem. You put your phone in the cradle
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: to communicate.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Actually, I think things were better back then. Tom, welcome
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to the morning show and a happy Friday Eve to you.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Good to hear from you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, good to hear from you. And then, of course,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: there was the old floppy disk.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which the air traffic control system is still using
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: after 40 years or so, according to Jay Ratliff.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: That's why it all works so well. Good point. My
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: one comment on AI is that these things didn't create themselves.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: These programs, whatever, that are fighting through these firewalls and
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: finding a way, they didn't create themselves. Somebody programmed them.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: True.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: So just chew on that one for a little bit.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's I suppose there's an element of like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: for example, you can ask AI to generate the code
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to perform like I want to design a program that does,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever. And then artificial intelligence can create the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: code to allow you to get to that point. I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: would imagine AI unrestrained can sort of create its own
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: options and decide which direction it's going to go on
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: its own. You know, going back to the human involvement,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: if it if it knows that there are back doors
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: or it can figure out how to hack into something.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: It can go down that road on its own without
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: being told to do it. You know, here's the task
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I want you to do, and it has its own
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: sort of thought processes that make it think of or
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: allow it to think of literally any avenue to achieve
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the goal that you've asked it to do, which might
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: include committing crimes, as has been demonstrated.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Right, but somebody programmed that thing to allow it to
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: do that. Yeah, I get your point. That's where we
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: go too far with it. There has to be constraints.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: on this stuff, on really anything. I mean, there's got
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to be constraints on human beings.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Right, right. Like, for example, programmers, you must program AI
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in such a way that it is not capable of
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: breaking the laws. Now, of course, AI can go out
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: into the world and immediately absorb all of the laws
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: on the books, right? And then you can have it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: come up with a mechanism to prevent it from breaking
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the law. So, I... I suppose there are theoretical solutions
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: out there. I just don't know in practice because I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: don't know jack squat about the ones and zeros reality
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: of programming and how to accomplish it. But this is
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the kind of thing Bill Gates was worried about. He
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: wants to get more people involved. Put the brakes on.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Let's slowly move forward, but let's make sure that we
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: are protecting society, generally speaking, as we jump forward in
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: this major technological advance.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing that helps slow things down is people
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: because we– We have this incredible tendency of screwing things up.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, which, you know, kind of like Congress and,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: you know, politics and pretty much anything in general. You
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: have the human error factor, and a lot of times
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: that creates problems and stuff like that, but sometimes slowing
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: you down actually is helpful.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Isn't that, yes.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: What did you just do wrong? You know, what do
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I need to do to fix it and all that?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Human error, I would argue.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: All that stuff is supposed to be.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Human error, I would argue with AI, human error is
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: creating a thinking device like AI that can actually generate
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: all of the plans and information to, well, mass murder
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: people with technology that helps you aerosolize toxic chemicals or
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: fentanyl or something to blow up in a room. That,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to me, is something that we have learned that it
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: can do that we need to stop it from being
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: able to do. The question is whether they'll be able
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to program it that way is my bigger problem.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: If I could real quick, I actually wanted to touch
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: a different topic.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to make this short, but I heard something yesterday,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: and you hear a lot of politicians, Democrats, liberals, complaining
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: about there's not a level playing field. People are not
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: starting out on a level playing field. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: you do. Everybody's got a level playing field. What you
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: do with that field, what you do when you get
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: on that field, that's entirely up to you. But, yes,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: everybody's got a level playing field. I mean, we can't
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: change the fact that some people are rich and some
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: people are poor. It's the way it is. We can't
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: use everybody else's money to make sure everybody starts out
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: financially on the same level. It's just not possible to do.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: So what you do with your opportunity, which everybody in
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: this country has the opportunity to do stuff. Everybody does.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: It's proven. Day after day, people get out of their
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: situations because they decided, I'm not going to sit here
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: and put up with this. I'm going to study better.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to hang out with the gangs. I'm
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: going to go do this, or I'm going to get
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: up and go to work, even though other people that
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I know are goofing off and living in mom's basement
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: or whatever. It's a choice that you make. You have
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: a level playing field. What you do when you're on
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that field is up to you. And the most important
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: thing that you need to make sure that you do
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: to be involved in society is vote. And when you
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: do it, don't vote Democrat. I'll talk to you Tuesday.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: I'm having a long weekend.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Enjoy it, Tom. I miss hearing from you. We've got
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: other callers online. Corey and Bobby, hang on, folks. We'll
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: be right back after these brief words. 541-55-KRC-D Talk Station. 513-749-5500, 800-823-TALK,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: pound 550 on AT & T phones. Over to the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: phones we go. Corey, welcome to the show. Bobby, hang on.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Get to you in a second. Corey, good to hear
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: from you.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: Good morning, Brian. It's that time of year again for
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: the fireworks. And once again this year on their website,
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: they're listing firearms as a prohibited item. I just want
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: to remind everybody, you have every right to carry any
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: type of firearm you choose to the WBN fireworks if
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: you're going to And also they have zero right to
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: check and search your bags simply because you are attending
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: it as well. Everybody's up in arms about AI and
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: flock and all that, but yet they voluntarily surrender and
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: let anybody search their purse or bags or whatever it
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: might be just because there's.
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: A sign saying that they can.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Well, in public space as opposed to a private business,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: which can come up with its own rules about firearms
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: But the BBN is, you know, on the riverfront.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I was just saying, you know, your law, your rule,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: or at least your observation of what the law is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and allows for, is different in private spaces, private businesses,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: as opposed to public, government-owned, taxpayer-funded, that kind of thing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Two different, I mean, there's a distinction there. So I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: just want people to know there's certain private property interests
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they can, of course, search your bag, or you just
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: don't go in. You know, it's your decision. Got to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: play by the private owner's rules. But, yeah, I, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I guess I just have to observe. I wish we
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: lived in a world where we wouldn't have to worry
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: about bringing a firearm, but we all know we do
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: not live in that world. Anyhow, appreciate the call, Corey.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: As always, Bobby, welcome to the program. Happy Friday Eve.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Happy Friday Eve, my brother. Base flag family and its
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: handicapped person.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Six and a half.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Six and a half. And you're going over what you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: typically do?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I think it will be an over because, hell, we
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: already had people using vehicles hitting crowds just last night
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and today and shooting already. You know what I'm saying.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: So six and a half is a moderate number.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and clear skies and warm weather our way, too.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So you know that without thunderstorms, rain, or in the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: wintertime snow, more people out in the streets and apparently
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: getting more violent than during inclement weather. Isn't it a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: strange phenomenon, that one alone? All right, so six and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a half says Bobby. I'd like to think we'll be
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: under that. So, right?
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's going to be over. I'm just
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: going to be a realist. You know what I'm saying?
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: You're in one of the worst, most violent cities in
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the nation per capita. Cincinnati top five. You know, I mean,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: what do you expect? You know, they keep going about
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the police department. Where's all the money that's allocated for
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the police? Don't they have budgets and stuff that they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: allocate a certain amount of money for the police department?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, they do.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And while they're running a 30% under right now, where's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that money at? Where's that other 30% of the money
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: they're supposed to allocate for the police department?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll just have to let that question float around
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: out there, Bobby, because I don't have an answer to it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That's why we need Todd Zinser, Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinser,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to crunch the numbers and find out how that money
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: is being spent. Probably outgoing out to non-governmental organizations for
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a peaceful resolution of conflicts involving, I guess, gun violence
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: between gang members. How well is that going to work out?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: We'll find out. Bobby, six and a half is his
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: pronouncement for today. He's over, and I'll keep my fingers
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: crossed that it's under. Appreciate it, Bobby. You have a
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: great day, my friend. Let's see here. Memphis, Tennessee for
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this one. Tennessee school employee accused of stabbing a delivery
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: driver at least six times with a pen. After an
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: argument over late delivery, 36-year-old Braxton Stewart, employee of Memphis
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Shelby County Schools, arrested and charged with aggravated assault. Confrontation,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Thursday in the morning at the American Way Middle School.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Delivery driver told investigators he arrived late to make a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: delivery at the school. Leading to this heated argument was Stewart,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the guy with the pen. Confrontation, they say, escalated into
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a physical fight during which Stewart allegedly stabbed the driver
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: at least six times with the pen. Driver suffered four
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: puncture wounds to his back, one to his neck, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: another between his eyes. Not critical injuries, but he was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: taken to the hospital. Stewart, taken to custody. No comment
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: from the Memphis Shelby County Schools. Seems to be a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: bit of an overreaction. 545-55-KRC-D Talk Station. More stupider phone
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: calls in a moment. The Talk Station. 550-55-KRC-D Talk Station.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Over to the stack. We're talking about AI and, of course,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: with Meta settling with multiple states, a couple of dozen states,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and providing some options to keep children off of social media,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: including some blocks for late-night hours, limitation on the number
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of hours, what teens can access, getting more parental controls.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And we can talk about some of the details. on
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that coming up in the program later this morning. But
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: here's one. Would the new controls, when they are put
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: into place, have prevented this from happening, this tragedy? And
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's just, what are your children doing online? You go
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to Georgia, where we have a girl that has been
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison because she fatally shot her mom. Now,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: she shot her mom back in 2024. She's now 16.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: She was 14 years old when this happened. 14 years old.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Her name, Liliana Rose Wagner. Back in 2024, November, she
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was 14. Police responded. She was involved in a crash,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and she told the officers at the time she lived
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: alone with her mom. So they, because of her age,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I guess, went over to conduct a welfare check. Police
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: said Rachel Wagner, her mom, hadn't shown up for work,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't answering the phones. So when they went over to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: do a welfare check, officers found her, Rachel Wagner, the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: kid's mom, dead in her bed from a gunshot wound
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to the back of the head. Upon investigation, they determined
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that this child, Liliana, 14, became obsessed with school shooters
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and mass shootings, building an extensive online and social media
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: reputation for an interest in planning a mass casualty attack.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: She's online talking about this. I guess in the world
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of mass casualty attacks, she became a bit of a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: social media influencer or something, or more importantly, what are
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: your children doing online, became influenced by others. In fact,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the district attorney talking about this case said she continued
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: communicating with anonymous people who encouraged her to plan and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: commit the killing. Even after she was taken to a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: local hospital, I guess, to be evaluated for these psychological
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: problems she was having. So she's out there in the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: world and people are egging her on. That's good to
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: say her mom. Here you go. Interesting twist. Great parenting.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Rachel Wagner, mom, bought the firearm used in the shooting
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: about a month before she got shot with it, but
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: she allowed her child, Liliana, to keep the pistol and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: ammunition in her bedroom. Remember, the kid's 14 at the time.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And written confession, Liliana described the killing as a, in
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: her words, last-minute choice and also wrote that she had
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: planned to target her former middle school, but And again,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: in her words, chose this instead, killing her mom. Court
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: said she has to serve at least 30 years before
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: becoming eligible for parole. That's what's out there. You know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the changes to the meta systems and,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you know, social media platforms allowing more parental involvement. And
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: the big boogeyman, the weird thing in this room, in
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: this discussion, is that parents already have the ability to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: cut kids off of this social media interaction. You can
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do it. It's within your control. Ask Dave Hatter. A
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: polygamous sect leader. Way to start this one off. Who
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: is already serving a 50-year federal sentence for orchestrating sex
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: involving children has got another 24 years in prison added
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: on to his sentence and a separate state conviction for
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: child abuse for hauling girls in an unventilated trailer in Arizona.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Sounds like we've got a word to give out, too.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: At right, Samuel Bateman, 50 years old, convicted of three
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: child abuse counts stemming from the August 2022 traffic stop
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: in Flagstaff. Led to the discovery of the three girls,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: ages 11 and 14, in the trailer. which described as
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: having a makeshift toilet, sofa, camping chairs, but lacked air
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: conditioning or seatbelts. Apparently someone tipped the authorities off about
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the trailer after seeing small fingers reaching through gaps in
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the doors. Bateman's group, an offshoot of the polygamous sect
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: once led by Warren Jeffs, Bateman currently serving 50 years,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: as I mentioned, for coercing girls as young as nine
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: years old to submit to sex acts with him and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: other adults. and for scheming to kidnap girls from protective custody.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Judge Joshua Steinlogge, citing, quote, insane danger, close quote, to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the girls inside the trailer, ordered him to serve the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: state sentence after completing the 50-year federal sentence. Concurrent sentencing.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: This guy's not getting out. One of the victims in
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the trailer, when Bateman was pulled over, described the psychological
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: pain she suffered. 14 years old was how old the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: victim was at the time. Bateman took advantage of her
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: sexually when she was 12. She said that she has
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to undergo therapy to recover from, quote, things that should
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: never have happened to me as a child, close quote,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: saying also that he stole my childhood. He's a self-proclaimed prophet. Previously,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: he claimed to have more than 20, in his words,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: spiritual wives. among whom were 10 girls under the age
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: of 18. Joe, I think we need to issue this
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: man an award. Enjoy prison. Enjoy it. There you go.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: 70-plus years of that, Joe. Do you think the fellow
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: inmates will just get tired of picking on him over
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: that period of time? No, I don't either. Coming up
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: at 5.56, 55-karat city talk station. Meta settles. Is this
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: going to make the world a better place? Also, hundreds
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: missing and many dead in this Nepalese flood. It is unbelievable.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: If you've seen the video on that, listen, it's tough
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to watch, but there but for the grace of God
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: go any one of us. 556-55KRC, the talk station. America.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: That's one. That's 606-55KRC, the talk station. Friday evening, a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: very happy one to you. Coming up in an hour,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson. Got quite a few things to talk
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: about with him. Notably, maybe we'll talk about the flock
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: camera debate that's been raging. AI is a big problem.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the last hour, Bill Gates talking about
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: needing to get in front of the problem. We need
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to slow things down. This could be wonderful. It could
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: also be extraordinarily dangerous. People will lose jobs, and yet
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it'll have wonderful advantages for mankind. So the question is, what...
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Would lawmakers actually be able to do anything? I was
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: thinking about this settlement with Meta showing out $ 18 billion
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to negotiate a resolution with multiple states that sued him.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: About 48 states were involved in it. I thought rather
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: interesting that one of the observations was it let lawmakers
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: off the hook because Meta settled in a civil litigation.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And as terms of condition of the settlements, a lot
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of new restrictions are being placed out there. Suggesting that, well,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: by this civil action with plaintiff's lawyers going after and
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: tackling the challenges and the damages brought about by, alleged anyway,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: brought about by Meta and addiction to social media, they've
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: gotten some terms and conditions. Meta's agreed to change its
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: practices along the lines of maybe what lawmakers might have
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: suggested or have tried to pass.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: So.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: It is an astute observation. Lawmakers are let off the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: hook by this. Why should Congress and the Wall Street
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Journal editorial board questioning, why should Congress put in the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: work to resolve thorny issues if states can leverage the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: legal system to force a resolution which may lack political consensus?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: This is the attorney generals in these states. And maybe
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: civil is the wrong way to put it, perhaps criminal.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is the attorneys general stepped up,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: sued them, and they negotiate a resolution that does not
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: require passage of a law. This is a voluntary thing
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: that a private company, Meta, is choosing to do to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: get rid of its legal liability. And at one point,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the states were looking for like $ 1. 4 trillion or something.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: So the point being, you can't run into court. There
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: isn't an ACLU out there or some perhaps conservative organization
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that funds litigation that can run in and say, no,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the law that you passed, Congress or state legislative body,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: It's unconstitutional. It's an infringement on freedom of speech, et cetera,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: et cetera. This way, META can do whatever it wants,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: settle the lawsuit, and put into place things that might
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: have been subject to legal challenges had the legislative bodies
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of some sort gone forward and enacted law along the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: same lines as META has agreed to do. Anyway, maybe
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: we'll get a little bit of insight on that one.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: We've got a whole bunch of topics to go over
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: with Congressman Warren Davidson in addition to beyond that, including
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the national debt going over $ 40 trillion. Andrew Ferguson, fast
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: forward to 805. Perfect topic this morning, considering what we're
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: talking about. Your data will be used against you. Policing
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: in the Age of Self-Surveillance. That's the name of the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: book we'll be talking about with Andrew. Warning of us
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: about the rise of sensor-driven technology, social media monitoring, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence being weaponized against, well, democratic values and personal freedoms.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: No kidding. Which, going back to AI, is why the
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: United States of America needs to be the dominant force
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in artificial intelligence. Otherwise, the Chinese Communist Party, who's not
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: interested in protecting your freedom and liberties, will be doing
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: all that. So, what's going on? Real quick here. If
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen the video, the Nepalese, the flood that
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: was triggered the other day, they're still questioning about how
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: it happened. Some are saying it was an ice rock
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: cascade falling off of a mountain, hitting a river. But
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the flooding that was immediately triggered by this, it's just
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: horrific to see. And most notably, when you watch it
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: one time and then you get to see it again,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you see the people, the hundreds of people coming out
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and running down the streets trying to get away with it. Obviously,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: they had been warned that this wall of water was coming.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And then a second later, they're gone. It's just an
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: amazing thing to behold. And I don't know, I presume,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: because they are the best out there in terms of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: getting aid, Out into the world, it's Matthew 25 Ministries, M25M.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: If you give them a dollar, a dollar's going out
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to solve the problems of the world that they try
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to solve. Humanitarian aid. Don't have to worry about the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: massive overhead like United Way has with massive salaries for
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: the boards and all the administrative structure. I think M25,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Matthew 25 Ministries is all volunteer. But anyway, it's an
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: outstanding charity, and I always like to throw in a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: good word for them for the work that they do
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: throughout the year. Anyway, what's going to happen? Meta. In
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: addition to paying the $ 18 billion to make a settlement
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: with 48 states, they added restrictions to protect your children
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: because apparently parents aren't out looking for their own children's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: best interest in protecting them up front. 13 to 17-year-olds.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: New features automatically engaged. It's an on switch. It's on unless,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I suppose, you turn it off. And some things can
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: be turned off with parental approval unless kids figure a workaround.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And they've tried to get ahead of that, too. So
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: users ages 13 to 17, daily time limits, nighttime off-limit hours,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: reducing functionality during school hours. So with regard to time constraints,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Meta has agreed to put in place a maximum two-hour
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: limit for teens. I guess under the age of 13,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to be on social media, which I
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: think is a great thing. But 13 to 17-year-olds, once
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: you're an adult, you get to do whatever you want.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So a two-hour daily limit for teens across Instagram and Facebook.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Now remember, Meta only is in charge of a couple
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of these social media platforms. Lots of people are saying, well,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: if Meta's got these restrictions in place, they're going to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: go over and use some other form of social media. Right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Much in the same way, states who've implemented age restrictions,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: people realize, oh, I just got to put a VPN
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: on my computer and I can pretend like I'm in,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Zimbabwe or something, and there are no
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: age restrictions there. Anyway, time constraints. Teens will not be
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: able to change these settings without permission from a parent,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: a parent who supervises their account. Welcome to the supervisory
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: account you're going to have to create, mom and dad. Then,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of course, anticipating that children will migrate to other social
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: media sites, as just mentioned, they said the company is
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: looking to create a level playing field in the industry
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: so that they don't do that going over to competing apps.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So as part of the terms on the settlement meta, asking...
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: TikTok and YouTube as well as Snapchat, I guess, to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: agree to put in place the same limits that Meta's
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: agreed to in settling this lawsuit. Wait to see if
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they do. And as I understand it, if the competitors
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: of Meta don't comply with the same terms and conditions
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Meta's agreed to put in place within five years, Meta
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: can lift its limits. I guess that's part of the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: settlement agreement. The school mode. Mutes notifications during school hours. Apparently,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: teens and parents will also be able to turn the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: autoplay feature off, which creates an endless video feed. One
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: of the things that's, I guess, one of the addictive
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: components of working off these social media platforms. Now, if
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: teens can go in and beg weak-kneed parents to relax
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: these restrictions, that's a concern. It's noted from some critics
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of the resolution that This could create a conflict between
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: parents and children. Some nonprofit child safety organization, they grabbed
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the executive director of Fair Play, Josh Golan. This is
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal interviewing him. He's the guy that
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: is expressing these current concerns. Wow, there's a new phenomenon.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Parents and children having conflicts. It's a new era. It's
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a new form of conflict. Get over it. If there's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: no parent overseeing the teen account, there's no one there
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: for a teen to negotiate with, so I guess you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: can't turn it off. Meta automatically hiding now the number
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of likes that teens can see in their own posts.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Of course, likes generating online addiction. You want your post
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to be liked. The more clicks you get, the more
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: presence you get. And, of course, apparently at some point
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you can monetize it if your social media account gets
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: enough clicks. Also, one of the fixes, automatically blocking children
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: from extreme makeup filters.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: There are other filters in place that are automatically blocked
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: as well. Instagram algorithms and what is churning out to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: show your children based upon what they're interested in. Of course,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: algorithms generate the similar content to keep your kids involved
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in and on social media. There's an option now for
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: teens or parents to turn off the algorithmic recommendations, which
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: means it's no longer tailored to your specific child's interest.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I believe that's part of the function of cookies. You
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: go to a place, they figure out where you're going,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you put a cookie on there. Oh, look, they like
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to talk about bombing schools or something. Here, we'll feed
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: them more information about school bombings. Well, how about lying
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: about age? Setting up the social media account, kids might lie,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: say they're over the age of 18. I can understand that.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Shocking.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Companies have adopted AI tools in recent years, apparently to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: determine the likely age of users. Hey, artificial intelligence, by
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: looking at what you are looking at, can guess your age.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: If it detects users who say they're adults but are
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: really between the ages of 13 and 17, restrictions will
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: be implemented automatically. This is a fix promised by Meta. Now,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you know damn well that they're not just going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: rely on artificial intelligence to guess the age of someone online.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: They're probably going to require a photo ID requirement or
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: some sort of verification, concrete verification, which, of course, a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: lot of privacy concerns with that as well. Whatever. Parental controls,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: new restrictions. Online safety advocates arguing for more parental controls
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: over the years. And still, I go back to Dave
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Hatter's been talking about, you know, the software apps and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: things that you have been able to do to restrict
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: your child's access to this kind of crap over the years.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: But parents don't do it. So new restrictions say they
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: say are upping the level of parental involvement. Parental controls
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: only work in a household that has an adult. with time,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: technical confidence, and a smartphone, and an account on the platform,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: fluency in the language and the tools that are offered in,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and a stable relationship with the child. An observation from
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: some other person who is, well, with an online center
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: for digital democracy, stating something that's very clearly true. Going
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: back to my oft-stated problem with the world, generally speaking,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: our children will be much better. They will be smarter.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: They will be better behaved. They will be more lawful.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: They will be more accountable to society and follow and
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: not break the laws as much if they had a family.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: And we're in a household with an adult that has
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the time and effort. And in this particular case, enough
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: technical savvy to put the parental controls and keep them
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: in place to protect their children. It's one more harm
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: in the world. It's like a child molester outside. Don't
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: talk to strangers. Same thing online. Don't talk to strangers.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: And yet, each and every one of our children have
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: access to literally every stranger on the planet. 618-55-KRC-D Talk Station.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Get in touch with Gregory Lester. You know who Gregory
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Lester is. The Tree Health Service. 622-55-KRC-D Talk Station. It'll
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: be Friday Eve. Congressman Warren Davidson at the top of
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the air news. I'm going to ask him about this
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: interesting thing. Senator Josh Hawley. Speaking of technology, open a
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: new Senate investigation into the Flock Camera Systems. The Flock
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Safety is the name of the company, I believe. It's
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: an Atlanta company. Of course, you probably heard about Flock Cameras.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: License plate scanners. Of course, they have a database. When
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: there's a hit, your car, your license plate that has
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: been identified as being related to a crime. When you
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: drive by, it'll ping or otherwise alert law enforcement that
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that particular license plate or car is driven by a
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: particular area, then they'll pull you over. At least that's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: how it's supposed to work in practice. But because of
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the screw-ups, and there's quite a few of them, more
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and more showing up each day. We had police in Brookfield, Wisconsin,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: had an outdated flock camera alert, ended up pulling over
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: someone who had no connection with the crime. That's happened
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: a lot lately. And more and more reports of it
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: happening because more and more people are aware of the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Flock system. So that's it. So Senator Hawley is now
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: demanding internal records from Flock on how the company collects, stores,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and shares data. There are 120,000 or so of these
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: cameras all around the country. In a letter to the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Flock safety CEO, a guy named Garrett Langley, Josh Hawley
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: wrote that Congress, in his words, never authorized the network
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: your industry has built. Also warning that Flock's internal policies
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: are in practice the only safeguards for hundreds of millions
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: of Americans whose vehicles pass by each day. Well, I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: read that and I thought to myself, what business person
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: with an idea a concept, to create a business and,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: of course, probably profit on it. It's the primary reason
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: people create new ideas and concepts. Welcome to capitalism. What
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: kind of business has to approach the federal government ahead
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of time to launch a new business? Now, granted, the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: problems created by Flock cameras are manifesting themselves. Maybe that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: is why legislation is required to deal with a problem
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: that we've identified now that Flock is a successful business.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: But the idea that he's saying, hey, they never came
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: in here and asked us if they could create this
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: business or industry. So I'm kind of puzzling by that,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and I find that slightly offensive anyway. Uh, Holly's also
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: seeking records of known or suspected misuse of flock systems,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: which again, we've heard a lot about police officers looking
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: for girlfriends or looking to see what their spouses are
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: doing or whatever. That's a complete abuse of the system,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: which shouldn't be allowed to happen. You're talking about governmental
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: entities working with a private company, which creates this sort
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of quasi constitutional reality, which may be what is, as
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Holly's point, When government and private business work together, you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: there is this understanding that legally the private business is
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: now obligated to, well, protect our constitutional rights in the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: same way the government is. So, Block's argued its cameras
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: have roughly one million police investigations, aided rather, and helped
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: locate about 10,000 missing people. There's the plus side. It's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: like artificial intelligence. There's all kinds of great things that
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: go along with it, but there's also a whole hell
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of a lot of downside risks, and we're just becoming
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: more and more aware of each and every one of
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: them every single day. 625-55-KRC-D Talk Station, Gate of Heaven Cemetery.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: The Talk Station. 630-55-KRC-D Talk Station. Local stories. This is
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: rather heartbreaking. Dr. Eugene Blalock, he's the superintendent of the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: North College Hill School, had an odd announcement yesterday. It's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: sad and pathetic, too. 11 days the kids have been
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: back in school. In 11 days, he reported there have
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: already been 11 expulsion hearings. He said, quite honestly, I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: haven't slept in three days, talking to Alexis Barnum at
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Fox 19. Shared a video showing a fight that happened
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: on school grounds, but he said the issue is that
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: it didn't happen during school hours. According to Blalock's quote,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: kids are deciding to come back to school after hours
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: to fight. These fights are being recorded and it's causing
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of issues within the neighborhood. He said, you
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: see four students jumping up and beating up one person.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: You see them running from them. You see another group
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of students watching them videotaping it. That had me at
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the point where I had to speak out today. He
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: claims the district has resources to help the children while
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: they're in school, noting the safety coaches, counselors, and the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: fact that they try to do their best to keep
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: them safe inside of the school, but Calling on parents
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: to take accountability once the day ends. Parents, he said,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: need to know where their kids are, what their kids
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: are doing, and who their kids are hanging with. They
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: want to blame the school, the city council, the mayor,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the police department, but everything starts at home. Amen. You know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I'm a parent. I'm just thinking about when the kids
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: were younger. Where are your kids? They had a pretty
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: good idea where they were. What they're doing, who they're
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: hanging out with, aren't these things that parents just naturally,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: an innate sense of responsibility and parenting and nurturing and
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: concern over your offspring that you would do this anyway?
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You need a superintendent of the North College Hill students
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: telling parents this common sense stuff they can do to
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: keep their kids out of trouble? He said it's a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: small group of kids causing the problems, but the group
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: is shaping outside perceptions of the entire district. Well, when
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you got 11 expulsion hearings in 11 days and you
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: feel the obligation to come out in public and talk
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: about it, yeah, there's a perception there. 32-year-old man, woman
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: admitted yesterday to posting threats of violence and death against
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a Hamilton County judge on TikTok. Great. 32-year-old Quinn, USA?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: That's his, USA, I swear to God, that's what I'm
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: reading here. Fox 19. Anyway, from Wynton Hills, an indicted
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: fellow charged with retaliation and intimidation, pleaded guilty to retaliation,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and other charges were dismissed. Part of the plea deal,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Hamilton County Police Court Judge Chris McDowell sentenced him to
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a year in prison. It's all in caps. Is it USA?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I think USA. Anyway, charged nearly a year ago, days
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: after he posted threats online against Hamilton County Probate Court
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Judge Ted Ralph Winkler. His attorney said, Clyde Bennett II
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: at the hearing, might Mr. USA and his family respect
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and understand the court sentence in this case. Threatening to
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: kill a judge is extremely detrimental to our legal system
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and the sentence could have been far more severe.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: He said, my client's conduct was aberrant and resulted from
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: circumstances beyond his control. He accepts responsibility for his action.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Said it won't happen again. Accused of posting a photo
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: of Judge Winkler with a caption saying he would shoot
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: him in the head. Judge Winkler handled the name change
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: for USA, who made the threat just one day after
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: a political activist, Charlie Kirk, assassinated during the public appearance
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: at Utah Valley University. So, yeah, name change. Arrest warrant
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: out for a man accused of shooting at a mother
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and her three children. Brandon Brown wanted on four counts
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: of floating assault for what Hamilton County court records say
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: happened August 14th, Montana Avenue between Vanna Woods Drive and
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Anaconda Drive. Brown and the mother of three got into
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: a verbal argument. Afterward, Brown yelled, F word, you and
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: these kids. Then fired a shot at the woman and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the three kids. Court documents don't say if anyone was
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: hit by the bullet. Guess not. We'll just add him
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: on to the previously awarded, handed out award earlier in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the program. Police now searching for a woman accused of
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: driving into a crowd in Roseland. This Bobby referenced this earlier.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Happened last night, 1900 block of East Seymour, 7.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Police said the woman drove into a crowd of people.
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  Speaker 1: One person suffered non-life-threatening injuries. That person taken to the
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: hospital to be treated. Time of the reporting, police hadn't
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  Speaker 1: released the description of the woman or the car involved
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  Speaker 1: or even said what led to the crash. Stay frosty
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  Speaker 1: out there. 635-55-KRC-D Talk Station. Feel free to give me
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  Speaker 1: a call for something you'd like to talk about. Well,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: maybe now is the talk station. 640-55-KRC-D Talk Station. I'm
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: going to go straight to the phone. It's got a
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  Speaker 1: couple of callers online. You can join the list if
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  Speaker 1: you'd like. 513-749-5500-800-823-TALK. Start with Mike. Mike, thanks for calling
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  Speaker 1: this morning. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, Brian. I'm at the school of the 11 expulsions.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Already this year.
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  Speaker 10: I had principal came out and said where the parents
• 56:43
  Speaker 10: need to step up is the problem is how many
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: of these kids were if I have another kid that's
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: more money on my willful check for these parents and
• 56:53
  Speaker 10: now they're all grown up and the parents I mean
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: and how many were teenage parents and they're still kids themselves.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And they've got Well, I can only observe, Mike. We
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: can speculate all day about the specific circumstances of any
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: one of the 11 children who's subject to an expulsion
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: hearing at school. But I just keep going back to it.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there was some innate thing that parents had
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: when they had children that they immediately wanted to love,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: provide care for them, and protect them. Apparently, that's a
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: foreign concept with a lot of people. I don't know.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's a huge societal problem, and if you want to
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: find out why children are ignorant and uneducated, I think
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the large problem is existing in the home life. I mean,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: it's demonstrably proven. The better your education, the less likely
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: you are to engage in criminal activity, full stop, of
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: any socioeconomic position in life. It isn't because you are poor.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: It is because you are not getting educated. Education has
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: been paid for in this society. It's a question of
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: whether you take the opportunity to participate in it. Jay,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. Welcome to The Morning Show.
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  Speaker 6: Hey, good morning, Brian.
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  Speaker 4: This is Jay, USA.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: I've never shared my last name due to privacy concerns.
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: But it's more common, evidently, than you think. So, hey,
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: but back to the conversation about what to do with
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: these fights starting off school hours. Yeah. I thought for
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: a long time now, these big, beautiful school campuses, if
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: that was a private business, let's say a factory, That
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: thing would be running 24 seven because investors can't have.
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: That thing sitting empty without producing something.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: So I've been thinking for a while, I think this
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: is the solution. We run schools three shifts. And if
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: you decide that you wanna fight, you decide you wanna
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: be disruptive, you go into the third shift. And that's
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: where we can bring in the armed guards and extra whatever,
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: but we can collapse three school districts into one. We
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: don't have to have all that overhead. And, you know,
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: you can be first, second, or third shift, depending on
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: your behavior. If you want to be a knucklehead, you
• 59:00
  Speaker 5: go on to third. And then the parents that can't
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: take care of their kids, that's your problem. We're going
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: to give, we're going to educate them, but it can
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: be very different environment on third than first and save
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: the taxpayers a ton of money. Second comment, state of
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Ohio is part of the meta lawsuit. You know, used
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: to be, you know, the standing issue always came up
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: whenever it was like Fauci or elections. Nobody ever had
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: standing to do anything in court. Does Ohio have children?
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: that they have standing, and the money that they get back,
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: the state of Ohio, does that go into the Jimmy
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Haslund football fund?
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Maybe it goes.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Into the unclaimed funds to beef that up a little
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: bit for the next time the Browns want to get
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: a quarterback or anything.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: The child who has been harmed, demonstrably harmed by AI,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: let's just assume that it was, or rather, social media,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: and there's no argument. It is absolutely true that the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: child was harmed by social media. The settlement dollars, the
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: $ 18 billion that MET is paying out, I guess I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: can ask you another rhetorical question, Jay. Any of that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: money going into that child who has been harmed, will
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the parents get the money? That's my question. Yeah, I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: think the answer is probably a resounding no. Did you
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: get any money from the tobacco litigation settlement dollars?
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  Speaker 5: No, but I'm sure that went into the underfunded schools,
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  Speaker 5: which is 60% of our property taxes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or some other pet cost.
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  Speaker 5: It's always a question mark. Every time a state wins
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: a lawsuit, the question is, where's that money going? And
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: it seems like we get a sense of satisfaction. But yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: to your point, we never see that money. The people
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: that are harmed never see the money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know Ohio had children.
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  Speaker 1: And the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 5: How do they have standing?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Department of Justice going after lawbreakers and evildoers in corporate
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: America always ends up getting a big fat settlement payment
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: or some court-ordered payment for disgorgement of illegal proceeds or whatever, yeah,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: that money goes into the government coffers.
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  Speaker 5: Back to standing. Somebody help me understand this standing thing
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  Speaker 5: because I'm lost.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like wealth redistribution, isn't it? Businesses go
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: out there and make heap loads of money, and then
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  Speaker 1: the government comes in and grabs it, alleging some sort
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: of fine and ultimately resolved by settlement agreement, not actual
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  Speaker 1: litigation and a finding of liability. You know why? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's easier to settle. You'll save a whole lot
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: of money. You won't be paying lawyers $ 1, 000, $ 2, 000, maybe
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  Speaker 1: $ 3, 000 an hour. They run the numbers on this all
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  Speaker 1: the time. What is our potential exposure? It's probably north
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: of X. Let's pay less than X, and we won't
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  Speaker 1: have that outrageous exposure. And what's going to be the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: total cost of litigation if we run this thing all
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the way through to the end through a jury trial?
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be something around this figure.
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: If we can settle somewhere between that less than X
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: figure and somewhere around where we were going to spend
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the money anyway on litigation, can we get out of it?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Of course. What's the figure? Meta says in this particular case,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's $ 18 billion paid out over 10 years
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: in installment plans. Yeah, let's go ahead and go down
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: that road because the potential liability is north of a
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's why you settled. But yeah, people won't get any
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: of that money. 6.46, 55KRC, the talk station. 6.50, coming
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  Speaker 1: up at 6.51, 55KRC, the talk station. Congressman Warren Davidson
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: after the top of the hour news. Lots to talk
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: about with him. Andrew Ferguson with his book, Your Data
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Will Be Used Against You, Policing in the Age of Self-Surveillance.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Of course, perfect timing given all the outrage over flock
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: camera systems. And Jay Ratliff, I heard media aviation expert
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff at 8.30. It is the case every Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Feel free to call. Otherwise, pivoting over. And remember, the
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  Speaker 1: left fought against this. You are working today. If you're
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: a taxpayer going out to work, part of your paycheck
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: is going into the SNAP program, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: formerly known as food stamps. Anyway, thanks to the MAHA movement,
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  Speaker 1: Make America Healthy Again, under the evil Trump administration, right?
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  Speaker 1: Evil orange man. Oh, my God. It's a good thing
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  Speaker 1: when you allow states to restrict SNAP eligibility food limits, right?
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  Speaker 1: Many states have reached out to the federal government and
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  Speaker 1: asked for a waiver because there are no limitations on
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  Speaker 1: what you can buy with your SNAP benefits, with the
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  Speaker 1: exception of tobacco and alcohol and hot foods, prepared foods.
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  Speaker 1: I guess those are the only three things. Beyond that,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and knock yourself out. Buy five cases of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Coca-Cola or Mountain Dew. That's okay. It's terrible for you.
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  Speaker 1: The memo's gotten out. The word's gotten out. Sugar is
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  Speaker 1: bad for you. It is no nutritional value, and it
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  Speaker 1: is one of the causes of the obesity problem we
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: have in this country. That and the fact that literally
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: there's sugar in almost everything you eat. Food companies are
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: blamed for that, but if you make proper diet restrictions
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and proper diet decision-making, you can become healthier again. Look,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: lo and behold, the states that banned non-nutritious items like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: soda and candy.
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  Speaker 1: For the benefit of the recipient of the SNAP benefits
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  Speaker 1: and to help make sure the taxpayer dollars are not
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: directing nutritious options toward things that are not nutritious. A
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  Speaker 1: new study released by the National Bureau of Economic Research
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  Speaker 1: studying 5,000 SNAP households found that in the states that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: banned purchasing sodas with SNAP benefits, a precipitous drop in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: sugary drink purchases. specifically a 13% drop, which amounts to,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: let's see, the average house, I guess, before the bans,
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  Speaker 1: 185 ounces of soda per month, i.e. 15 cans, 13%
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  Speaker 1: drop is a couple of cans less per month, 24 ounces,
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  Speaker 1: but it's heading in the right directions. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: the most important element of this was what the researchers determined.
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  Speaker 1: Even households that have enough cash To offset the restriction,
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  Speaker 1: here's your SNAP card, you've got your meat and your
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: vegetables or whatever, and your soda's here in a separate
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  Speaker 1: pile because SNAP won't pay for it. Households that have
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: enough cash to go ahead and buy the soda still
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  Speaker 1: reduce their soda consumption. In fact, more than the 13%
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: reported among the SNAP people, it's 18%, 18.5% down. That's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: where people had the choice.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because people were now elevated and they had a sense
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: of awareness. I'm not allowed to buy soda. Maybe you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: wonder why. What's wrong with soda? Oh, here for the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: first time in my life, I learned that this stuff
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  Speaker 1: is terrible for you. Maybe. They say when states labeled
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: soda as an unapproved purchase, it acted as a powerful
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: psychological signal. This is what the report determined. People woke
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: up to the reality that it's bad for you and
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: they voluntarily chose not to drink it anymore. Wow. And
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: the left fought this. The left did not want to
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: restrict SNAP recipients. I mean, It says here the findings
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  Speaker 1: indicate that simple administrative restrictions can effectively steer dietary choices
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  Speaker 1: and potentially improve public health outcomes. Great. More information, better
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: informed people. RFK Jr. is taking the helm on this one,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: and he's as weird as a guy he is. I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: respect his efforts along this line because people are now
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  Speaker 1: talking about it. You know, my cancer diagnosis led me
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: to the realization that cancer loves sugar, loves it. And
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: oddly enough, just yesterday, this study came out. Now, real
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: quickly here, it's done in the United Kingdom. They studied
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  Speaker 1: a group of almost 65,000 people. And there's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: little component to this. Between 1951 and 1956, sugar and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: other common foods were rationed after World War II to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: prevent food shortages. So the people born between 1951 and 1956,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: babies then, didn't have access to sugar. So what they did,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: they compared that group of people who had no sugar
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  Speaker 1: in their diets, the babies all the way through age two,
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  Speaker 1: to a group of people who definitely had sugar in
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: their diets. Those were born after the restrictions lifted. Get
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: a load of this. The group that didn't have access
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: to sugar, and they say it affected their entire dietary
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  Speaker 1: choices throughout their entire life. So even after you change
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: your diet, you still have cravings for sugar, lasting effects
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: on health later in life. Get a load of this. Now,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's not a peer-reviewed study. It's observational. But look, 69%
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: lower risk of liver cancer among the group that didn't
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  Speaker 1: have sugar, 52% lower risk of prostate cancer, 41% lower
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  Speaker 1: risk of lung cancer, 40% lower risk of rectal cancer,
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  Speaker 1: and 36% lower risk of breast cancer.
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about it. Get the information out there. Restrict. Snap.
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  Speaker 1: benefits to items that are nutrition since it is the
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  Speaker 1: supplemental nutrition assistance program taxpayer dollars shouldn't go to things
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  Speaker 1: that aren't nutritious and maybe even well carcinogenic 556 or
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  Speaker 1: 656 55 care cd talk station congressman warren davidson after
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  Speaker 1: it's 706 you're 55 care cd talk station and happy
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  Speaker 1: friday eve to you always extra special at this time
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  Speaker 1: because we get to benefit of congressman warren davidson's logic
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  Speaker 1: and reason welcome back to the 55 kc morning show
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  Speaker 1: congressman davidson thanks to the constituents in your district for
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  Speaker 1: putting you in office and thank you for your service
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  Speaker 1: to our country in the past and current service in
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  Speaker 1: your elected capacity welcome back to the show my friend.
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  Speaker 8: It's always an honor nice to talk with you brian.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the vice president was your backyard just uh
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: not too long ago talking about this cleveland cliffs development
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  Speaker 1: in a significant investment what's this going to mean to
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  Speaker 1: uh the the area and what is this sort of
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  Speaker 1: represent in terms of a shift from the prior administrations
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Biden and Clinton and Obama to the current administration which
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: seems to have obviously a very very big focus on
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  Speaker 1: bringing manufacturing back to the United States of America I
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  Speaker 1: think it's been a quite a successful effort Congressman Davidson
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  Speaker 1: at least so far oh.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah this is tremendous I mean you know this is
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: the kind of stuff you know I definitely voted for
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: in manufacturing companies before I was in Congress And after
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: I was in the Army, so those 15 years in between,
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  Speaker 8: Manufacturing is just a beautiful thing. You can measure everything.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: Is it in spec? Is it not in spec? Is
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: it on time or late? Did you make money or not?
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  Speaker 8: It takes everybody from somebody to get a GED to
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: a PhD.
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  Speaker 1: To work together.
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  Speaker 8: I love manufacturing. I miss it all the time. It
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  Speaker 8: was great to be at the Middletown Works plant in Middletown, Ohio.
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  Speaker 8: Cleveland Cliffs bought AK Steel, bought that. When I met
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: their CEO, Lorenzo Goncalves, this guy's Brazilian guy, comes in,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: takes over Cleveland Cliffs. They were distressed at the time
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: he came to CEO. He starts remaking it. They're more
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 8: of a mining and the inputs to making steel. They
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: start buying up steel makers and vertically integrating them. Man,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: this guy's pretty ambitious. He said, I am going to
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  Speaker 8: make major investments in Middletown. These guys... are productive. And
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: so the workers are really part of what made that possible.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, they haven't always had the best in the world, everything,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 8: but they've gotten great results. And so the company's put
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: investments there. The administration's put support behind it. A lot
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: of the tariffs that the president has put after are
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: focused on steel and getting steelmaking back in America. And
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 8: you're seeing results. I mean, a lot of industries coming
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: into the United States, major investments from companies around the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: world that can be anywhere in the world and have
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 8: been because of our terrible trade policies and our terrible
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: tax policy. So both of those have been fixed under
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: both the first Trump administration and this one. And we're
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: seeing an announcement of a billion dollars coming into Middletown, Ohio.
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  Speaker 8: It will be the most advanced steelmaking facility in the world.
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  Speaker 8: That's a huge win.
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  Speaker 1: That is a very huge win. I guess I'm kind
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: of curious, and I mean, I can speculate, and I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: do believe I have some of the reasons, but the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: United States.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Owned steel production, I mean, forever and ever. And then
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: along came the 1970s, apparently just evaporated out of nowhere,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and you end up with these Rust Belt towns, former
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: steel manufacturing facilities all shut down. How did it end
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: up going elsewhere, and what has changed so much that
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: we've been able to get it back to the point
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: where a capitalist business, a business that wants to be successful,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: thinks it can generate profit and income worthy of a
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: $ 1 billion investment, at least in this case? Congressman Davidson?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, the 70s and 80s were problematic for
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: a couple reasons. Part of it was they had not
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: been investing and innovating in the industry. Part of it
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: was some of the union culture had become dysfunctional, and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: they weren't measuring productivity. So they had some ineffective policies.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: But in the wake of the Cold War, that's what
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: really put the nail in the coffin for a lot
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: of the industry, because the mindset shifted to globalism, and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: we can just buy everything everywhere. Now, that didn't bring competition.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: It made everybody have to compete and be better. But
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: it also, as Ross Perot predicted, resulted in a giant
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 8: sucking sound of jobs leaving the United States. And that
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 8: was especially true here in Ohio. Not just steel, but
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: if you look around, we all know the area is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: full of former glory, and they're still trying to recover
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: in a lot of ways. The great news is, over
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  Speaker 8: the past 10 years, we've seen major investment announcements coming
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  Speaker 8: to Ohio, not just the United States. Ohio has been
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: recognized as one of the top states to do business
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: in now, and that's come a long way. I remember
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: when I started a company in 2002, it felt like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: the mindset was, if you're not going to get out
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: of the country, at least get out of Ohio. So
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: that mindset has shifted a lot. So kudos to the, frankly,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: multiple administrations, beginning with Taft. I can think of great
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 8: progress there. Strickland, I wouldn't say was so great. But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: Kasich launched Jobs Ohio. That's been strong. Governor DeWine's led
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: some reforms. But the Unsung Heroes state legislature got our
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: tax rates competitive, restructured a lot of that. Even our courts,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: we had court decisions that were just nutty. We had
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: this thing called the Ponzer decision where a Democrat-controlled state
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: Supreme Court said an uninsured motorist was supposed to be
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: covered by the company's insurance policy. Now, this guy was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: driving on his own time in his own car, but
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 8: because when he was at work, he drove a company
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 8: car sometimes. Well, supposedly then the company was supposed to
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 8: cover for his insurance policy. I remember all the insurance
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: companies repricing this. This was nutty. So you talk about, like,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: that's why we have to elect Colleen O'Donnell and Dan
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 8: Hawkins and make sure that we keep control of the courts.
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  Speaker 8: All these things have made Ohio so much more competitive
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: over the years. And, yeah, it's just great to see
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: these kind of wins happen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me, based on what I know
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: about him, what I've heard from him, what I've discussed
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: with him, Vivek Ramaswamy, once again, will continue the forward
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: progress with making Ohio a more desirable state to live in.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I guess I just want to get your reaction to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: the apparent neck-and-neck race that exists between him and Amy Acton,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: which I just cannot believe, my friend. I just don't
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: understand it. Your comments on.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: That, maybe?
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  Speaker 8: Look, I think Vivek's a strong candidate. I endorsed him
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 8: right out of the gate. I've known him for 10 years.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: Brilliant guy. I mean, you can't talk to him and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: not get the fact that he's a smart guy. He's
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: been incredibly successful. What's he running for? Because he really
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: wants to make a difference in Ohio. And so I
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: think he's inspiring a lot of people. When I talk
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: to not just young 20-something guys that are energized by
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 8: this young, energetic, very eloquent footballer, leader in Vivek, I'm
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: talking to old biker guys, bikers for Trump, and they're like, yeah,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: I like Vivek. I was in Dark County at the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: Dark County Fair up in the north part of the district,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: Greenville area, and biggest ag county in the state. They
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: had hundreds of people come out because they knew Vivek
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: was going to be at the fair. I'm like, where's
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 8: the lack of support for Vivek? I think it's AstroTurf.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I am so happy to hear you say that, because,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I've encountered people, you know, very strong conservative
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Republican types who are put off by him for some reason.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I'm left to speculate why someone would say that, knowing
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: full well, you know, the primaries are over, Congressman Davidson.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: We've got two choices. It's either Robin Sumner or Amy Acton.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: And when I always pivot over and I say, so
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: that means you're going to vote for Amy Acton? Oh,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: hell no. I'd never vote for her, which suggests to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: me that that person is not going to vote for anyone.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: And I just don't get that, because not voting is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: a vote for Amy Acton. I'm just lost on it,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, look, to some level, it's the same
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 8: sort of sentiment where we had people say, I can't
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: vote for Mitt Romney. And look, I get it. You
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: didn't necessarily like Romney. But Vick is a tremendous candidate. Now, look,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: there's things that I disagree with him on, but not many.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: I mean, when you look at policies and, you know,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: what is he promising to do as governor? I mean,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: I talked to him about it. I'm like, well, look,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 8: I'm for all that, you know, little nuanced differences. I mean,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: and early on when he was announcing his candidacy, people
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: were talking to me about the race and what's going
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: to happen and all this stuff. And I said, well, look,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 8: I think President Trump's going to be proof of it.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: That's going to make it really hard for any other lane.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: Some people were a little dismayed and they're like, oh,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: I don't know. Like, well, get to know him. I mean,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 8: if you don't know him, get to know him. Talk
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: about what he wants to do as governor. And then, look,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 8: we've got veto-proof majorities in the state legislature. There were
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: times when our state legislature had to override vetoes from
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: Governor Mike DeWine just to get control of the COVID
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: nonsense in the state to some extent. You know, Vivek
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: is going to be the other way. He's going to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: be driving the conservative agenda through the legislature, and that's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: the kind of support the legislature has needed. And I think, honestly—
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: This sort of AstroTurf campaign is coming from those folks
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 8: that really like being kind of in the minority where
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 8: they could say, well, you know, we had to cut
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: a deal with Democrats. And, well, you know, yeah, I'm
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: for all these things, but, you know, we can't. That's
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: what they're trying to do in D.C., and I think
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 8: they want to recreate that kind of dynamic here in Ohio.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: The reality is Ohio is now a red state. We've
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: got veto-proof majorities in the state legislature, but we're governing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: in a lot of ways as a centrist government. I mean,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 8: Mike DeWine is that kind of guy for sure. But
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: look at the kind of results Florida is getting, and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: those are the kinds of things. Florida and Texas are
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: benchmarking Tennessee in some ways. And you look at what
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 8: Vivek is promising to do, he's promising to outperform them. And, well, okay,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: guess who's panicking? It's the people that don't want that
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 8: don't want the agenda. They say they're Republicans, but they
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: don't support the platform at the end of the day.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the truth? Congressman Davidson, let's pause. We'll bring
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: you back. We'll talk about, oh, look, finally got everybody's attention.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: The national debt north of $ 40 trillion and growing. Finally,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: it's gotten the attention. Can anything be done about it?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: More with Congressman Warren. 720-55-KRC, The Talk Station. Brian Thomas
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: with Congressman Warren Davidson. Regular feature on the program on
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: a Thursday, which I absolutely love. Congressman Davidson, finally people
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: are waking up to the reality that we got $ 40
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: trillion in debt It's growing rapidly. No one seems to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: be in a position or even interested in, I guess,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: curbing spending. Therein lies the problem. You've got two options
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: on this, Congressman David, as I see it. If you
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: want to get a handle on the debt, you either
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: try to tax your way out of it to pay
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: it down, or you grow your way out of it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: by increasing the economy. More tax dollars flow into the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: coffers of federal government. But the elephant in the room
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: is that no one of any political stripe seems to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: want to curb spending. We've got a spending problem, do
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: we not, Congressman Davidson?
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  Speaker 8: Well, look, Brian, you're just a rational guy using math.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: And look, in D.C., they don't talk like that.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: It's like, look, we can just print more money.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: Have you heard about modern monetary theory?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, I have.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Have.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: We have a currency. We can just print this money. Now,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: most Republicans say they don't support modern monetary theory, but
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: they don't want to cut spending. They say they know
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 8: to say that they want a smaller, more accountable government.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 8: But they don't vote for it. I mean, we barely
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: had the votes. Now, look, I don't want to say none.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: Most everyone did. We had enough moderates who just barely
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 8: could get across a cut to the national public radio
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 8: budget that was state-sponsored radio. It was only 3%, 4%
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: of their budget. So we said, you know, you'll be
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: able to survive just fine without this money from the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: federal government. And we barely had the votes to defund NPR.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: So that's where we're at on the level of appetite
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 8: for cutting spending. And look, Scott Besson knows that. And
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: when you run on cutting spending, there are some people
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: that like it, but not enough. So you end up losing.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 8: And people have learned that. They're like, look, the public
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: likes the spending. In fact, they want more free stuff
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: for more people. And in some ways, some of the
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: populists within the party are often agreeing with Bernie Sanders
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: on programs. And you're like, well, what are we doing here?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: And I'm a guy that we can't use Jack Sparrow's
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: compass and just go wherever the whims go. You've got
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: to have northeast, south, and west. I'm still a math
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 8: guy like you. I'm like, look, we need to balance
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: the budget. And in the long run, what you're doing
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 8: is you're not doing either. You're not raising the revenue.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 8: You're not cutting the spending. You're not doing a blend
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 8: of both. You're not transferring responsibility to states where balanced
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 8: budgets are required. And programs could be run more effectively
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 8: in a lot of ways or scaled differently by state.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 8: That would be, to me, the best way to shift
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 8: some of the burden on the means-tested programs. It would
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 8: also align structural incentives to get rid of fraud. So
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: there's so many things you could do differently to get
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: this under control. They're not doing it. So what are
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: they doing? They're buying up the debt. And it's like
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: taking out a new credit card to pay off the
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: old credit card. Eventually, your creditors get wind of that.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: And they say, oh, that looks risky. We're going to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: charge you higher interest or maybe not extend you credit anymore.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: And that's exactly what's happening in the bond market. So
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 8: there's pressure on Kevin Warsh and the Federal Reserve to
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: lower rates. But the bond market is saying, nay, nay,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: we need higher rates because we know your default risk
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: is going up and we know inflation is still high.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: So those are the two main components.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Of an interest rate.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 8: So rates are going higher and they're likely to keep
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: going higher. And if you want to artificially try to
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: drive rates down, well, then inflation is going to go
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 8: up faster. So there's no free lunch here, and I
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: think that's the quandary warrant.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Well, it couldn't have come at a better time, this
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: discussion about the debt we've dug ourselves, the hole we've
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: dug ourselves in, because the DSA has rolled out all
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: these insane, unbelievably costly programs. I mean, say, I don't
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: believe the Cato Institute, which crunched the numbers on these programs,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: you put them all in place, it's $ 70 to $ 200
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: trillion additional dollars over 10 years. Cut the number in half,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: 35 to 100 trillion. It's still like way over the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: size of our current deficit. I mean, you can't print
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: your way into prosperity. If that worked, then everyone would
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: do it. They would have printed $ 40 trillion on it
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: and say, no, we don't have a deficit anymore. We
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: have no more interest to pay. Look, the world's a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: better place, but that would just wipe out the value
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: of the dollar. Maybe people will finally wake up to
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: the idea that modern monetary theory is a lie. It's alchemy.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: It does not and has never worked.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I mean, even just take Medicare for All.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 8: People say, oh, well, that's a common sense thing. It
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: works great. That alone is like $ 7 trillion a year.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: We only collect $ 5. 5 trillion in taxes right now. We
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: spend almost $ 7. 5 trillion every year, so $ 2 trillion structural deficit.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 8: You need to be addressing that. They don't even want
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: to address that. They want to double federal spending, which
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 8: is insane. So yeah, in every country that's tried it,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: 52 out of 53 countries in recorded history that have
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: gotten their debt 30% bigger than their economy, so 130%
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: debt-to-GDP ratio, 52 of the 53 countries that have crossed
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 8: that threshold have defaulted on their currency. The only one
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 8: that hasn't is Japan, and if you're following the news,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: they're in sort of the death throes right now. So
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 8: we're trying to prop up Japan and save ourselves right now.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: And we're rapidly accelerating towards that 130% debt-to-GDP ratio. And frankly,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: the only difference right now is the rate of speed
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 8: at which we're going to arrive at the crash site.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 8: There's not a course correction that you're talking about where
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 8: we're going to spend less or shift it in some way.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 8: It's all like three-card money. Where are we going to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 8: hide the game? But you can hide it by the
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 8: Treasury buying back debt, like Scott Besson did last week.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 8: But the bond market's going to look at it and go, oh, well,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 8: I see what you did there. We want higher interest rates.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: And if you find some other way to kind of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: suppress interest rates, well, then you're going to see higher inflation.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: So I wish there was some magic that could just
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 8: end the concept of scarcity. But until heaven, I don't
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 8: think that's.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: Going to happen.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And that just means we're facing a collapse down the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: road that everyone is painfully aware of and yet, again,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: refuses to do anything about. Wow. Can you stick around?
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: Well, hopefully that crisis... Hopefully that crisis or at least
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: the recognition of it will result in a changed behavior
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 8: or at least what we're working on as a plan
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 8: is so that when we do arrive at the crash
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: site and listen to people saying, you know, we could
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 8: have avoided this if we just spent more money. And
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 8: you're like, you do realize why we arrived here, right?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 8: We'll at least have a plan at that hour of crisis,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: as Rahm Emanuel famously said. Never let a crisis go
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 8: to waste. And look, that crisis is coming. I wish
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: it wasn't. I've been fighting hard to make sure it
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: doesn't come. But math is real. I mean, that is
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 8: eventually where we're going to arrive. And I hope we
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: have a plan in place and some reinforcements that are
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: going to say, look, we know what happened here. We
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: know how to avoid it. We're going to all have
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: to suffer for a little while to adapt to this
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: new reality. But that's what happens when people go bankrupt
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 8: or corporations go bankrupt. You have to restructure things.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: No question about it. Can you spend a couple more
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: minutes with my listening audience and me, uh, after this break,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson, you have to run off. I appreciate it.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: I've got a gap till nine. So I'm happy to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 8: talk and great coffee.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I'll take you up on that gap because I want
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: to find out what your priorities are through the end
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: of the year, but you know, part of growing ourselves
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: out of the problem and we can do it. See
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: the talk station. 732 55 care CD talk station. That'd
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: be Thursday. Brian Thomas with Congressman Warren Davidson, uh, pivoting
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: over before we get to your legislative agenda, your personal
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: agenda moving forward. Uh, Let me ask you, I'm a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: huge fan of the concept of small modular reactors. It
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: is the solution to everyone's climate crisis concerns because they
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: don't produce carbon dioxide. One size kind of fits all.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Pull one off the shelf, put it in a plant,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: it would power the plant. The Army is moving forward
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: with this, a $ 2. 2 billion project that was announced yesterday.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Five nuclear energy companies have awarded these grants, I guess,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: to put microreactors at military bases in North Carolina, Kentucky, Texas, Georgia,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: and New York. It's an experimental plan. They expect more
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: than 20 nuclear microreactors to be built and operate for
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: our bases, which I understand. It's an important thing. Secretary
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: of the Army Dan Driscoll pointed out the obvious, says
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: it accelerates our ability to deliver safe, reliable baseload power
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: directly to our installations, building the energy resilience necessary to
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: protect combat power globally without relying on potentially vulnerable external grids. Well,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: that's great. I understand the need for that. How can
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: we have this? I know this is a step in
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: the right direction to bring to the civilian population abundant,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: less expensive energy that's reliable. That's great for manufacturing and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: growth in our country. Are we going to get it soon,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I think this is the future. Distributed grid
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: technology will make a grid much more resilient. You can
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 8: have smaller power generation systems. Modular nuclear is brilliant. I've
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 8: talked with Dan Driscoll about this and others. The president's
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  Speaker 8: been strong on saying, look, we can deal with permitting.
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  Speaker 8: We'll just put the stuff on military installations. We control those,
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  Speaker 8: at least when they're in the United States. So this
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: is a strong thing. And it is not just for
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  Speaker 8: current operations in a great way to add back to
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  Speaker 8: the grid in areas like Fort Benning, like Fort Campbell,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 8: Fort Bragg, Fort Drumm. And I think Fort Hood. Those
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: are the five that I think got them. And it
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 8: makes sense. The military has been using nuclear reactors for
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 8: a long time, granted a little different than the small modular,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 8: because our submarines and aircraft carriers are powered by nuclear reactors.
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  Speaker 8: In forward deployed areas, you still need power. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: we're using power for so many things today in the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 8: modern battlefield. We're confronting, well, how do we have deployable power?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: And right now it's big storage containers packed with diesel
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 8: generators and lots of diesel fuel. But in a smaller
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: footprint and quieter with no same kind of challenge on
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 8: resupplying with fuel, you can deploy these small modular reactors
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: and have power for all kinds of things. So it's
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: a tremendous win for military readiness, but it's going to
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: have huge benefits for our whole grid. And when you
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 8: think about where we should be going, as a state anyway,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 8: hopefully as a country, you look at spikes in power prices.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 8: Having more points of generation is more resilient and shorter
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 8: transmission distances because you lose yield over distance on transmission lines. And,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: you know, transmission lines, uh, you know, emotional topic anyway,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: right now, but it doesn't make sense to get all
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 8: this power from outside our state when we could be, uh,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: you know, meeting our needs and, and then some here
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 8: in Ohio, uh, with, with more, uh, grid capability. The
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: last thing is, is while data centers should be decided
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: by local governments with some good safeguards, uh, I think
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: at the state level, and I know they're working on
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 8: these things, um, The big mandate has been to make
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: sure that these guys put more power into the grid
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 8: than they consume. So this is a way that you're
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 8: already seeing some pressure to create this distributed grid approach.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 8: In fact, when we were at Cleveland Cliffs talking about
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 8: the announcement you spoke about earlier with the vice president,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 8: $ 1 billion going into that plant, they're going to generate
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 8: 120 megawatts of power. that will not meet 100% of
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: their needs, but nearly all of their needs. And so
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: that's going to be a huge win for the grid
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 8: in this area because they're going to have smarter technology
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: to capture the natural gas that goes through that plant.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 8: So it's going to power it. So the technology is
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 8: out there. It's going to be cool.
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  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson, I don't recall reading about or hearing about
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: any protesters saying, that were against the Cleveland Cliffs development
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: that was there for Vice President Vance's announcement in Middletown
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: the other day. Were people complaining about electricity drains and
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: problems with the environment or anything like that?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, it's my surprise.
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  Speaker 8: When I rolled up to that event, there was no
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 8: big gathering of protesters.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: At the event.
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  Speaker 8: So I think this is something that's pretty unifying. They're like, okay,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 8: all right, this is a win. And the reality is
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: it is a win. I mean, so thankfully there's at
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: least some level of accepting a win when it's a
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: win in Middletown.
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  Speaker 1: In Middletown. There's still some sane people in the world,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: and they're in your district. Congressman Davidson, I'm going to
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: take you up on your offer. I'll do one more
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: couple minutes with you, and then I'll give you some
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: time before your 8 o'clock meeting, if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 2: One more.
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  Speaker 1: Find out about legislative agenda for Congressman Davidson right after
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  Speaker 1: Appreciating and enjoying the conversation with Congressman Warren Davidson this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Get another opportunity here. We're going to find out about
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson's desires in terms of legislative agenda and priorities
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  Speaker 1: through the end of the year. Obviously complicating the whole situation.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Congressman Davidson stating the obvious, the big November election. I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are campaigning and distracted. Will
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: anything get done? But if something gets done, what might
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: you hope will be accomplished?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, great pragmatic question. I mean, you know,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 8: traditionally both parties withhold their votes in the run-up to
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 8: the election because both parties tend, if you're in the minority,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 8: you tend to believe that you're going to improve your
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: lot in the election. Now, we're working hard to make
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: sure that's not true for Democrats. And if anything is
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 8: true for us and we get bigger, better majority. So
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 8: I'm asking everybody send reinforcements right here in Cincinnati. We
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: can elect Eric Conroy and that'd make a huge difference
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 8: for our majority in the House. But, you know, why
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: aren't people going to give the votes? Well, because those
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 8: things are on the ballot. So a continuing resolution is
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: most likely. I don't think there's going to be a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 8: government shutdown. The House passed a continuing resolution until December 4th.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 8: The Senate, of course, has to be nonconformist and do
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 8: something different. And they passed a different CR until December 11th.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: And there are some important differences in there. The Senate
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 8: is basically hand-capping uh, president Trump in some ways, it's
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 8: a very disappointing, but you know, things got different challenges
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: to wrestle with than Mike Johnson does in the house.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 8: So we'll probably have a CR till December 11th. What
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: am I hoping that we'll get in there? You know,
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  Speaker 8: one of the things I always promised would be in
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: there is this beneficial ownership reporting requirement. The, the Democrats
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 8: created this corporate transparency act that sounds great. You You
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 8: think of bigger corporations and lack of accountability for companies
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: like when East Palestine happened and you had a train
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 8: spill and you had CSX Rail.
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  Speaker 6: Great.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 8: Tell us more about what's shipping through our communities on
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: the rail lines. That's not what this bill does. What
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 8: it does is it requires small businesses, 20 or fewer employees,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 8: and it ropes in even farms and homeowners associations and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: everything else. At least he said, we're going to put
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: you in jail and fine you if you don't tell
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 8: us Who are the beneficial owners of this corporation? That's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 8: a swept up, unconstitutional thing. It assumes that if you
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 8: own a business and control a bank account for an organization,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 8: that you must be involved in illicit finance. So that's
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 8: what it's designed to try to protect. But it's unconstitutional.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 8: They were losing in court. The Trump administration put an
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: executive order in. They went through fencing and did rulemaking.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 8: But the reality is, is Democrats would reverse this. if
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 8: we don't change the law. And so I've been told
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 8: we're going to get this through the finish line by
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 8: the end.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Of the year.
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  Speaker 8: The Defense Production Act's invoked a lot. We're trying to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 8: get some parameters around when and how that can be
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 8: used going forward. It's an important tool, but we really
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 8: want some parameters around that. We get a bipartisan reform
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 8: package that puts some ethics requirements in and caps on
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: percentage ownership, forces some exits eventually out of anything the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: government would take a stake in. And that's bipartisan, and
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: we hope that can get in. And lastly, John Yovanovitch
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 8: was at GE just a few weeks ago. People say, well,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: who's that guy? He's the guy that runs the Export-Import Bank,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: and they provide trade finance that helps us grow our
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 8: exports from the United States and smartly drive foreign investment
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 8: into the United States. So this is a real win.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: We have like 700-some suppliers here in Ohio that are
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 8: just benefiting from that. I think And this is huge
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 8: for us to get a do. There's no real partisanship
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 8: on it. And I think we can protect critical minerals
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 8: out of this. They created a bank to create sort
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 8: of like the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, a reserve for critical minerals.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 8: So these are some of the things that I think
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: we can get done before the end of the year.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: There's tons of other stuff we're working on and bigger
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 8: aspirational things. But I think these are bills that I'm
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 8: directly working on that I think we can get done.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Well, no problem in the house for a part company.
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  Speaker 1: I just have to observe. I know the biggest disappointment
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: among a lot of my listeners and, of course, me,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: The failure to pass the SAVE Act. Now, it went
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: through the House okay a couple of times, but bogged
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: down in the Senate for whatever reason. I just don't
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: quite get that. Maybe they're waiting for after the election
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: in hopes that the numbers improve. But that's a real
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: letdown considering how popular the SAVE Act is.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I mean, there's no excuse to pass the
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 8: House four times. It can't get through the Senate. I'm
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: very frustrated, just like you are. But look, President Trump
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 8: won on using the mail to protect election integrity. That's
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 8: a win. So we're getting wins where we can get them.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: You know, I'm disappointed that Doge didn't have more traction.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: But we're getting wins there. And you're seeing because they
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 8: did get enough Doge to find ways to follow the
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 8: money better. You're seeing lots of things being unearthed by
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 8: investigative journalists and by state auditors. So you get guys
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 8: like Keith Faber, who've been doing good yeoman's work as auditor,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 8: going to be a great attorney general. And we're going
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: to put people in jail that have been stealing our money.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: Amen to that. Congressman Warren Davidson, thank you so much
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: for the time you spent with my listeners and me today.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: We'll do it again hopefully next Thursday. And best of
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: love and health to you and your family, sir. Have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: a wonderful week between now and our next conversation. 805
• 1:36:20
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• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Friday Eve to everybody. Welcome to the 55KRC Morning Show.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Been so looking forward to this conversation. My next guest,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Andrew Ferguson. He's a professor of law at the George
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Washington University Law School, and he teaches criminal law, criminal procedure,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: and evidence. which is important because of the topic of
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: his book we're going to be talking about here in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: a moment, National Expert on Predictive Policing, Facial Recognition, Video Analytics,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Big Data Surveillance, Internet of Things, as well as the
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Fourth Amendment. 35 law review articles he's written, along with
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: four books, award-winning. One of them, back in 2017, his book,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: The Rise of Big Data Policing, won the Associates of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: American Publishers 2018 Prose Award. Today, he's joining the 55KRC
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Morning Show to talk about his new book, which you
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: can get at 55KRC.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Iheart. com.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Your data will be used against you. Policing in the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: age of self-surveillance. Andrew Ferguson, welcome to the 55KRC Morning Show.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, having been through law school and since you're a
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: law professor, I just got to ask you, in this
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: technologically crazy world we live in with artificial intelligence coming out,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: I observed earlier one of the big concerns about the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: elimination of jobs with AI. Just indulge me for a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: moment on this one because I want to know what
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: your students are saying. I was a first-year law student.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was a first-year associate at one point, right?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm willing to admit that when you graduate, you're
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: really not prepared to practice law. You learn that from
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: mentoring on the job. But AI can churn out some
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: pretty gosh darn good first drafts of memorandum, motions for
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: summary judgment, that kind of thing, eliminating all that back-and-forth
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: initial drafting, which is where the learning comes from for
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: young associates developing to lawyers. Are your students worried about
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: that kind of development, Mr. Ferguson?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, they're worried about it, but the law school is
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 11: adapting to that. I think what law schools have to
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 11: do in this day and age is two things. You
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 11: have to be able to teach students who come to
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 11: law school to think like a lawyer. I mean, really,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 11: the reason why you hire a lawyer is to solve
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 11: a problem that doesn't really have an answer yet, right?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 11: You have to be able to have the core set
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 11: of knowledge and take those principles and apply it to
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 11: a new question that may not even be thought of, right?
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  Speaker 11: The lawyers today are solving problems of AI that we
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 11: weren't even thinking about, you know, five, 10 years ago.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 11: And so that's a skill set. But then of course,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 11: when you go into that law firm job, you do
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 11: have to know how to use AI. You need to
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 11: like save your client's money by doing things more efficient
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 11: and faster. And if you don't go back and you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 11: reflect on those first sort of days as an associate,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 11: like there's a lot of time where you might have spent,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 11: you know, in a big warehouse going through discovery and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 11: like reading things and wasting. I mean, like there's a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 11: lot of time that like probably wasn't worth the billable
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 11: hours that we can do better.
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  Speaker 2: And you're so right. Right.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, I think, I mean, we have e-discovery of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 11: all this stuff that has already developed and changed it.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 11: And I think what's going to happen now and what
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 11: we've seen happening now is law firms are recognizing that
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 11: the value of lawyers still exists. Law school enrollments have
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 11: gone up, hiring has gone up, and even though we
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 11: have this game-changing power of AI, I think it's just
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 11: going to change what lawyers do. I think there's going
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 11: to be less of you as an associate writing a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 11: draft that the partner looks at and throws out because
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 11: it really isn't that helpful because they've been doing this
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 11: for 30 years. It was a great learning experience for you,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 11: but maybe not what everyone needs.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: We will develop.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 11: Ways to get now lawyers, former students, to be more
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 11: effective and efficient with the time and money of their clients.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad to hear the note of optimism, sir, because,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, based on my personal experience now, rather old,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: I'm still thinking along the lines of then and not
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: appreciating the fact that AI is a positive development in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: some ways. So fair enough. And I'm glad I asked
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you the question. Pivoting over to your data will be
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: used against you, policing in the state of self-surveillance. That
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Flock cameras, and I saw that, I think it was Josh, yes,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Senator Josh Hawley's opened a probe into flock cameras. Flock
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: seems to be the default label for all things, you know,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: license plate scanners. It's like Kleenex is a default for tissue.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: But flock under a lot of scrutiny these days because
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: of the abuse of these systems by members of law enforcement. Fine.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of good that goes along with
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: these cameras, too, because they've been able to solve very
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: quickly a lot of crimes that might not have even
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: been solved because we have all this video everywhere. The
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: genie's out of the bottle, the camels are literally everywhere,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: but this also poses some significant civil liberty issues and
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: concerns over our constitutionally protected rights. Does the good outweigh
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: the bad? Are there solutions for the problems we're facing
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: right now? Andrew Ferguson.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually why I wrote this book.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 11: It's about how we have developed systems of surveillance, whether
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 11: we're talking about sort of democratically mediated systems of surveillance
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 11: like automated license plate readers like Flock or real-time crime
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 11: centers with thousands of video cameras recording the streets and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 11: being able to track people where they go. we have
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 11: developed a world where we are watching ourselves in a
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 11: new way where we've kind of flipped the default. Right now,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 11: everyone is under surveillance all the time. It used to
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 11: be the case that you were under surveillance if you
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 11: kind of did something to draw the attention of the authorities.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 11: And then we had systems like warrants and individualized suspicion
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 11: that would cause people. And we've kind of reversed that
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 11: default where we make it all too easy. So there's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 11: a whole chapter in the book about how our cities
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 11: have transformed into surveillance networks. There's also the reality that
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 11: almost everything you do in a digital age, whether it's
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 11: your smartwatch, your smartphone, your computer, your car that's basically
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 11: a computer on wheels, is also tracking you and also
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 11: is revealing data that the police can obtain with a
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 11: warrant and sometimes without a warrant. And so the book
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 11: basically takes the problem set of recognizing that this data
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 11: is both helpful for us in our own consumer personal lives.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 11: There's a reason why you need a GPS on your
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 11: car to get from point A to point B.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: It's helpful.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 11: But it also opens us up in this vulnerability where
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 11: it is also available to the government to go see
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 11: where you've been and where point A was and where
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 11: point B was and where.
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  Speaker 2: Whether that's suspicious or not.
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  Speaker 11: And the book sets out this problem of how our
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 11: physical world, our cities, our homes, our bodies, the things
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 11: we do online are now available to the government and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 11: then tries to offer some solutions about what we can
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 11: do with it. And I take some heart that there's
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 11: a bipartisan interest now in these cameras, these ALPR cameras.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 11: And again, Flocka is just one of several companies that
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 11: sells the same technology that basically is able to track
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 11: you wherever you go throughout a city.
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  Speaker 1: Well, as I understand it, a private company acting alone
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: and not in concert with government doesn't have an obligation to, say,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: protect your Fourth Amendment right to be free of unreasonable
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: searches and seizures. You're giving them the data. They've got
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: the data. They created it. They stored it. And then, therefore,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: they make it a commodity and sell it off to
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: the world who are doing research and analysis about people's
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: buying habits, putting together these dossiers. But as with Flock,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: and maybe this is the reason Senator Hawley opened up
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: a probe into the storage of data, they are working
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: in concert with government. This creates sort of a quasi-private
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: government relationship here. Does that not transform Flock into basically
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: a government entity that would have to honor our constitutional
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  Speaker 1: rights and liberties?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, Flock isn't, you know, I
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: guess Flock has two business ideas.
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  Speaker 11: They do work with private companies like hospitals, like casinos
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 11: and other stuff, like your casino.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: You might want to know like when the high roller
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: drives in.
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  Speaker 11: But when they're doing their government facing, their police facing ALPRs,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 11: they are working with the police. In fact, their stated
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 11: policy is that this is not our data. This is
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 11: the city's data. It's the police data.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: And guess who's paying for it? We are.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 11: And that's part of what the book is about is
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 11: that we, you can put this on a company and
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 11: But it's our tax dollars that are paying for flock cameras,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 11: axon cameras.
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  Speaker 2: And the rest of it.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 11: We as citizens, through our democratically elected leaders, have given
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 11: the green light to this new world of surveillance. And
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 11: then if we are uncomfortable with it, we can change that.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 11: I think it's too easy. The book is really actually
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 11: about our complicity in this. It's not to blame us,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 11: but we're the ones putting cameras on our front door.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 11: We're the ones now surveilling ourselves and putting cameras in
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 11: our homes to watch our pets when we go away.
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  Speaker 2: We did that. The government didn't do that. We're the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: ones who put the cameras on our streets.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 11: We're the ones who invested millions, if not billions of
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 11: dollars in video analytics systems in our cities.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: And so if we are uncomfortable, guess what? We get
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: to change it. That's a democracy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, is this a legislative solution that we need to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: look for? Because, you know, again, there are a lot
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: of neighborhoods that had flock cameras. They're awakening to the
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: reality that it can be abused. Maybe they're concerned about
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: personal privacy or whatever. Then they get rid of them.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: But is there a broader need for a layer of
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: legislation over the top of all of this to maybe,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know, save us from ourselves?
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 11: And I think that that layer of legislation could be
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 11: at the federal level. Obviously, there are now senators and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 11: congresspeople who are speaking about flock again as a sort
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 11: of a metaphor for the larger issues of mass surveillance.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 11: But you also can change this at a local level.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 11: It's not the case that there are the same level
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 11: of cameras in every city or jurisdiction. And jurisdictions might
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 11: actually be differently comfortable. Like some jurisdictions might actually want more.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 11: Some might want less. I think it's an interesting kind
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 11: of It doesn't track in your general red state, blue
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 11: state world because there are lots of libertarians out there
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 11: that don't like the idea that the government is watching
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 11: them at every moment. There are lots of progressives that
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 11: are concerned about how the governments might misuse this in
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 11: terms of immigration enforcement or abortion targeting. And so there's
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 11: actually a strange bipartisan agreement that this might be a concern.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: But the decision might be different.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 11: It could be a case that a city council or
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 11: chief of police convinces the people who vote for it
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 11: and pay for it that this is worth the while.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 11: And it might be the case that they fail in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 11: that attempt to convince people.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's where I'm always concerned with the whole
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: concept of one-size-fits-all legislation because, as you illustrate, some communities
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: want them and are happy that these cameras are there
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: and others do not. So I know you put some
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: of the concrete suggestions in your book. Your data will
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: be used against you for legislators, judges, and communities to
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: respond to this. What type of response do you embrace
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: in order to deal with these challenges?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: I think you have to have an all-of-the-above approach.
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  Speaker 11: I do think that we need courts to, you know,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 11: you mentioned the Fourth Amendment, to recognize that there are
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 11: Fourth Amendment issues implicated in this new world of sort
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 11: of self-surveillance and maybe upping the warrant requirement to get
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 11: access to some of the data. It's actually pretty easy
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 11: to do. You know, the Supreme Court just decided a
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 11: case this last term, Chaudhry v. United States, about whether
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 11: the police need a warrant to get your Google geofence data. Basically,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 11: if you have a Google-enabled phone, you were giving up
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 11: your location where you were, and police were going out
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 11: to get a warrant to get that information when they're
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 11: investigating cases. The question before the court was, do they
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 11: even need a warrant? The US government went before the U.S.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 11: Supreme Court and said, we don't need a warrant. We
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 11: can get any data that you gave to a third
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 11: party without a warrant because you gave it to Google.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 11: Why can't we get it? And the Supreme Court pushed
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 11: back on that. It said, no, you need a warrant, which, again,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 11: doesn't necessarily change the status quo because the police were
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 11: getting a warrant anyway, but does say that the Fourth
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 11: Amendment still has something to say about this. So take
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 11: that idea that your location data has some Fourth Amendment
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 11: protections and then put it to a network of ALPRs
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 11: that can track you wherever you go. So at a
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 11: certain density, a certain level of camera tracking where you
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 11: can be followed, where you go through the camera systems,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 11: it's the same problem set. So courts might recognize that
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 11: the Fourth Amendment has something to say.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Legislators have an easy job.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 11: Again, I think we have seen almost no legislation focused
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 11: on this idea of self-surveillance, be it in our cities
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 11: or our lives. And again, adding a warrant requirement or
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 11: even something more stronger than a warrant requirement, not easy
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 11: to do politically, but easy to do and that you
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 11: can put pen to paper and actually do it and
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 11: people will follow it because that's what laws do. And
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 11: we kind of hope in a democracy that legislators will
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 11: lead rather than follow it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a brave new world we're in, and we're looking
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: at a reality that George Orwell couldn't even think up
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: had he maybe even given him some suggestions. Andrew Ferguson,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: he's the author of Your Data Will Be Used Against You.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: And this stuff kind of freaks me out, Andrew. I
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: really wish there was no such thing as AI, but
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: this is the world we find ourselves in. You can't
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: fight it. You need to be able to be on
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: top of it and control it, which is why I
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: have no problem with the data centers. We can deal
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: with those challenges. I'd rather the United States be in
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: a position to create, if there is, blanket legislation or
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: controls in place rather than leaving that to some other
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: foreign power. But here it is. You've got to cope
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: with it. Get a copy of the book. Your data
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: will be used against you. It's been a pleasure having
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: you on the program, sir. Thank you so much for
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: your time today. We've made it real easy for my
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: listening audience to get your book. It's at 55krc. iheart. com. So
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: I'll encourage my listeners to do that. Andrew, thank you
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: very much for your time again. Have a wonderful day, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: My pleasure. It's coming up on 819. 55 KRC Talk Station.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: I heard media aviation expert Jay Ratliff waiting in the wings.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Looking forward to having him on, as I always am,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: on a Thursday. Don't go away. I'll be right back.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Talk Station. 830. 55 KRC Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: Friday Eve.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: It's that time of week I always look forward to.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff joins the program. He is iHeartMedia's aviation expert.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: He's nationwide. We get the benefit of his company every
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Thursday for several segments. Welcome back, Jay Ratliff. It's always
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: a pleasure talking with you, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the pleasure's mine, Brian. Good morning.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Good morning. I know you're not going to know the
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: answer to this question unless you've seen further reporting on this.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: How does someone get struck by an airplane on the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: tarmac when it's in pushback operation? My understanding, in my
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: experience with pushbacks, you're not going very fast. So how
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: could a human being not see a giant airplane moving
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: toward them? This guy got killed. He did.
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  Speaker 9: And the reports that I'm reading is that the engine
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 9: was reversing. Now, if it's a pushback, it's a slow process.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 9: There are occasions on some aircraft, some locations, that they
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 9: can actually reverse thrust on the engines and push themselves back.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 9: I don't think that was being done here.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: It's a powerback maneuver.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 9: But if that's the case, those engines are sucking in
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 9: a great deal of air as they are in reverse mode.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 9: So I don't know the specifics yet, but typically you're right,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: in a very slow-moving aircraft, pushback type of thing with
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 9: everybody around the aircraft and the marshaler at the front
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 9: keeping an eye on everything, the captain is focused completely
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 9: on that marshaler so that if something does come up
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 9: where they've got to stop, I mean, the guy in
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 9: the tug stops, the captain will hit the brakes if necessary,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 9: they'll do what needs to happen. But there's more details
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 9: here that we've got to see to see exactly what happened.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 9: Because when I see an employee got struck, it's the
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 9: same term we used with the incident in Denver. where
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 9: the passenger was struck by the landing aircraft. Well, he
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 9: wasn't struck, but, yeah, I mean, he got into the engine.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: He got sucked into it.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 9: It was, and it was a nicer way to word
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: it so that it didn't sound quite as horrific as
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: it was.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: It's like a vacuum cleaner, isn't it?
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 9: It's horrific, yeah. When we got the 757s for the
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 9: first time, those engines were so quiet. that we had
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: to put a circle of safety, actually cones in front
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: of the engines that allowed about a 25-foot barrier front
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 9: and back, a big circle there that you did not cross.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 9: Because if that engine was going in any way and
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 9: you were within that 25-foot circle, you were in danger.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 9: And when you've got the air protection on the ramp
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 9: and different types of things with a quiet engine, a
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 9: lot of times you may not be aware of what's
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 9: going on. if you show up to do something and
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 9: you try to take a shortcut to the other side
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 9: of the aircraft. So, I mean, safety is so paramount,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 9: but when people are sometimes distracted or they're trying to
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: do too much or typically try to do things too fast,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 9: that's when there's an issue. And I used to tell
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 9: the agents who worked with me all the time, I'll
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 9: fire you on the spot if I see something on
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 9: the ramp I don't like because of the fact I'd
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 9: rather have you mad at me the rest of your
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: life than have something occur to you on the ramp
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 9: where you don't.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: Have a rest of your life.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 9: So, You run faster than you think, and sometimes people,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 9: in an effort to just try to do too much
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 9: at once, put themselves unwittingly in harm's way.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Well, we go from death on a tarmac to death
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: in a hotel room. What happened to this flight attendant, Jay?
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 9: Southwest flight attendant, been flying I think 25 years. A
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 9: mom lives in Oklahoma, was on a layover in Hawaii.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 9: She was at a five-star, I think Sheraton Waikiki, and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 9: she died. fell out of her balcony, 24, 25 floors up.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 9: She dies, and the investigation is ongoing. The people that
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 9: knew her said, hey, this girl, woman was full of life.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 9: She was making plans. She's gotten a tattoo that she
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: was going to have filled in a later time. A
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 9: lot of future plans being made to not somebody that
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 9: you would think would intentionally hurt themselves. So they're thinking
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 9: it was either a horrific accident or somebody else was involved.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 9: So the family's really pushing for answers. The airline community
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 9: is a very tight-knit community. And Brian, when it comes
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 9: to the flight attendants, I've had relatives that are flight
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 9: attendants and obviously been very close to a number of
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 9: them throughout my career. A lot of times when they're
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 9: nice to individuals on airplanes, that nice demeanor many times
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 9: is taken as a sexual advance. So a lot of
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 9: times you have these passengers that are, in essence, looking
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 9: for these flight attendants that they think expressed an interest
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 9: in them. And if they found them, sometimes they try
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 9: to carry things too far. And that's why there's great
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 9: care in trying to keep the crews for the, like,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 9: let's say a flight's canceled. The crew goes to one hotel.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 9: The passengers go to another. You're constantly trying to keep
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 9: that barrier between the two. And we don't know if
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 9: this was a situation where a passenger that was on
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 9: her flight was involved or what have you. But I
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 9: can tell you that one of the things that's going
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 9: to be looked at in this investigation are the passengers
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 9: that she last came into contact with, just as an FYI.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 9: And I'm sure that's one of the many steps they're
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 9: taking in this investigation is they desperately search for clues
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 9: to find out why this woman died.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: I guess. And I suppose we can blame Hollywood for
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: the perception that all flight attendants are frisky and on
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: the prowl, right, Jay?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Or pilots.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: Well, true.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 9: Or guys that are on the radio.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: You just never know, right?
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course not. You never know.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Those stereotypes.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Fair shot. Fair shot. Don't go away. We got a 1990.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: That was at both of us, bro. I know.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: You look in the mirror. We got a 1992 rule
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: that will now be enforced in first class. Laptops catching
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: on fire and the 737 Max back in the news,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: probably for not good reasons. Jay's going to talk all
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: about that and so much more coming up. I hope
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: you don't go away. At the Talk. The Talk Station.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: You ever been in a cockpit before? 839, 55KRCD Talk Station.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with iHeartMedia's expert, Jay Ratliff. Okay, there's a
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: rule on the books since 1992 from the FAA, which
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: is now going to finally be enforced. This involves first-class beverages,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: and I bet it's not a positive development for the
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: first-class passengers, but that's what you're here for, Jay.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 9: Well, what happened in 1992, they said that No aircraft
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 9: should be pushed back until all the drinks and service
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 9: wear have been collected from first-class passengers. But as you
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 9: and I both know, ever since 1992, if you've got
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 9: a drink or something in first class, typically what happens,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 9: the aircraft pushes back, the airplane is a taxi, the
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: flight crew goes through their pre-flight departure briefing, and then
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 9: after that briefing is done, they circle back, collect all
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 9: the items from people in first class, throw them away,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: and then they're seated for takeoff. Oh, the FAA has
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: come back and said, look, we now really need you
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 9: to enforce that rule because we want the flight attendants
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 9: seated at their emergency exits faster, sooner, not at the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 9: last minute. Just in case there's a situation where we
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 9: need to deploy the emergency evacuation, we have all the
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 9: players in position, which I totally understand. So they're now
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 9: saying that if you're going to get that drink in
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 9: first class, you can have it long because they're going
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: to collect it from you before the aircraft door is shut. Now,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 9: the interesting thing is, let's say I bring my coffee
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: on that I have, and I'm sitting next to you
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  Speaker 9: with your drink that you got from the flight attendant.
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  Speaker 9: They'll take yours, but I get to keep mine because
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  Speaker 9: I brought it on board. Now, you can't bring alcohol, obviously,
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  Speaker 9: on board an airplane and drink it. That's a felony,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 9: big-time fine. You can't do that. But, yeah, if I've
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  Speaker 9: got my beverage, and, you know, people have asked me, Jay,
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  Speaker 9: do you ever drink coffee on an aircraft?
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  Speaker 2: No, I do not.
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  Speaker 9: Because the water lines aren't as clean.
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  Speaker 3: As I would like them.
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  Speaker 9: Google Images will show you. I don't think you have
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  Speaker 9: to worry about the coffee side of things. But a
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  Speaker 9: lot of people like to have an alcoholic drink or something.
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  Speaker 9: And typically what it means is you're going to have
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  Speaker 9: it fast. Get on that plane early. Because when the
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  Speaker 9: doors are shut, they're taking that from you. And since
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  Speaker 9: first-class passengers tend to board first, and they're on there
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  Speaker 9: for 30 minutes, 25 minutes, or what have you before departure,
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  Speaker 9: they should still have time to to enjoy whatever drink
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  Speaker 9: they have, but it will be collected before departure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, the fact that they don't collect private beverages
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  Speaker 1: you brought on yourself and they collect the other ones
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  Speaker 1: suggests that there isn't really a safety concern connected with
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  Speaker 1: drinking in first class?
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  Speaker 9: The drinking part is not the issue. The service part is.
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  Speaker 9: And the thought is if you have somebody with first
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  Speaker 9: class and you gave them a drink, for the sake
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  Speaker 9: of the convenience and pampering of that passenger, you want
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  Speaker 9: to collect that from them so they don't have to
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  Speaker 9: worry about it. while the plane is taking, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Because, Brian, come on.
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  Speaker 9: We can't expect you to have to hold on to
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  Speaker 9: that cup for a few minutes until the plane takes off.
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  Speaker 9: So you're far too important for that.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, and no one's going to complain about having their
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  Speaker 1: beverage taken away from them at all, never.
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  Speaker 9: Only if it's not filled fast enough.
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  Speaker 1: Giant, giant concern. You've brought this to my attention multiple times,
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  Speaker 1: and it's just one of those things I think that
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: bothers me or worries me more about airline travel than
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: anything else. Laptops catching fire or cell phones catching fire,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Guess what? I guess it happened again.
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  Speaker 3: It did.
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  Speaker 9: It was an American Airlines flight coming into Dallas. The
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  Speaker 9: passenger's laptop starts to catch on fire. Smoke fills the cabin.
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  Speaker 9: Three or four passengers reportedly burned, injured. Medical team standing
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  Speaker 9: by when it lands. The flight attendants, who are now firefighters,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 9: put out the flames. They've got things they use, fire-repressant
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 9: bags and other types of procedures that are designed for
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 9: these lithium battery fires. And here we have, again, just
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  Speaker 9: another example of, A, how hot these things burn, how
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 9: fast they burn, and how dangerous they are. My concern
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  Speaker 9: is the airlines have taken the steps of saying, look,
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  Speaker 9: we don't put any of these items in the overhead
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  Speaker 9: storage compartment. Put them underneath the seat in front of
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  Speaker 9: you so that if they do start to smoke, they
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  Speaker 9: start to catch on fire overheat. We know about it
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  Speaker 9: sooner than if it's in the overhead storage compartment where
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  Speaker 9: it could become a completely different and much more serious situation.
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  Speaker 9: But Brian, my concern has always been and continues to
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  Speaker 9: be and will be for the time being, the gate
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  Speaker 9: area is the biggest concern for me. If you've got
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  Speaker 9: a bunch of passengers out there waiting to board and
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  Speaker 9: a gate agent says, the overhead bins are almost full,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 9: we need some of you to check your luggage, blah, blah, blah,
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  Speaker 9: and we won't charge you for it, and you have
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  Speaker 9: mom or dad coming up there, they're dragging four or
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 9: five kids behind them, they're going crazy, and the gate
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  Speaker 9: agent's trying to ask the person, Do you have any
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  Speaker 9: electronic devices in this bag? Now, keep in mind, we
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 9: can bring all this stuff through security. We can phone,
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  Speaker 9: cell phone, laptop. None of that's a problem. It just
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  Speaker 9: can't go into the cargo department. Well, if somebody asks
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 9: a passenger, is there anything in your luggage? And they
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  Speaker 9: just forget. And it's easy to do at the gate.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 9: There's so many different distractions, things going on. Your mind's
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 9: going in a bunch of different directions. You might be
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 9: flying for the worst day of your life because of
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 9: somebody that died. So you may not just have all
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 9: your senses about you, and you surrender the bag, and
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 9: it does have one of these devices in it, and
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 9: it goes directly into the plane. It's not re-screened because
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 9: it's already been screened. Into the cargo hold, the plane
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 9: takes off. This fire breaks out. If one of these
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 9: bags overheats, there's no way to get to it. There's
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 9: a fire suppression system in the cargo compartment, yes, but
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 9: it's not designed to... counter the type of heat that
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 9: these lithium batteries emit. So you would have a disaster
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  Speaker 9: on top of a disaster if one of these bad
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 9: boys gets in there. And I hate to say it's
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  Speaker 9: a matter of time, but Brian, that's what scares me. Now,
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  Speaker 9: it doesn't prevent me from flying, doesn't prevent me from
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 9: putting my mom, my wife, any of my grandkids on
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 9: a plane, but that still remains a concern for me
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  Speaker 9: because we've got to do something about it. Now, I'm
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 9: not smart enough to have the answer, because I know
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  Speaker 9: we can't ban laptops and phones from airplanes, period. You
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 9: can't give passengers bags to put this stuff in in
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: a plane and say, don't you dare take it out
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  Speaker 9: until we get to the destination, because you know people
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  Speaker 9: aren't going to do that. So it's just a serious situation.
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  Speaker 9: And we've been talking about lithium batteries since the Dreamliner
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  Speaker 9: was developed a number of years ago. And they had
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 9: lithium battery compartments or products on there that was part
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  Speaker 9: of the construction. they kept overheating as they were designing
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  Speaker 9: the plane. So we've been dealing with this for a long,
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  Speaker 9: long time, and I'm just scared that just a mistake
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  Speaker 9: is all that keeps us away from having an airplane
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  Speaker 9: fall out of the sky.
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  Speaker 1: Sadly, I just can see it just right there in
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: our future, you and I talking about one of these
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  Speaker 1: laptops catching fire in a cargo bin and the plane
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  Speaker 1: coming down. That's just such a scary thing. We've got
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: to do something about it now.
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  Speaker 8: Amen.
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  Speaker 9: And hopefully we can get that addressed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming up, we have, among other topics to
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: go over with Jay before we part company today, the
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  Speaker 1: 737 MAX making it back into the news, and again,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: probably for all the wrong reasons. Don't go away. Be
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  Speaker 1: Jay Ratliff. Jay Ratliff, the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft back
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  Speaker 1: in the news, and it's not about software upgrades they
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: didn't let anybody know about, is it?
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  Speaker 9: No, they've noticed some cracks in the fuselage right around
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 9: the emergency door, the one we board. And this is
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 9: an airplane that's, what, five, six, seven, eight years old
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  Speaker 9: or so? So it's not exactly an old airplane, but
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  Speaker 9: they've noticed these cracks, and they're looking at this. Getting
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  Speaker 9: it addressed, fortunately, and typically what happens with this, and
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  Speaker 9: we also have headlines on the 787 Dreamliner that has
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 9: shim gaps in the wing that have been noticed, but
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 9: those are only on about 17 aircraft. But news when
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  Speaker 9: they have a situation like this, the FAA typically will
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 9: issue a service directive and some sort of an advisory,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 9: and then they'll order it to be fixed. And also
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 9: what will take place is they'll increase the inspection schedule.
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  Speaker 9: So that part of the aircraft is looked at more
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  Speaker 9: frequently than perhaps it would have been before. So a
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  Speaker 9: lot of these safety steps are going to be put
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  Speaker 9: in place. So I'm glad that it was spotted, and
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  Speaker 9: I'm glad it's getting fixed. But, of course, the Dreamliner
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  Speaker 9: and the Boeing 737 have been kind of the subject
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  Speaker 9: of discussions with some of the whistleblowers about rush production
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  Speaker 9: and faulty parts being used in certain parts of the airplane. Now,
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  Speaker 9: if any of that is true and any of that's
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  Speaker 9: related to this, Yeah, we certainly have cause for concern. Look,
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  Speaker 9: if I'm a flight attendant, I'm a lead flight attendant,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 9: and I'm sitting up front near the cockpit at that door,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 9: I might exercise my seniority and say, you know, I'm
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 9: going to sit in the back of the airplane on
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  Speaker 9: this one. Somebody else can sit up here because those
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  Speaker 9: cracks are right around that door. So I don't think
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  Speaker 9: it's going to result in anything catastrophic, and I am
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  Speaker 9: glad that it's seen. But anytime you have a headline
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  Speaker 9: like that, Brian– You just hold your breath and you're thinking, oh, Lord,
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  Speaker 9: is it here we go again?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So it comes back many times to the suppliers that
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 9: Boeing is using. Because remember, Boeing has just probably 100,000
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 9: people that are responsible for supplying certain parts to certain
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 9: companies for certain components on an aircraft. And any one
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 9: of those, if they are faulty or not totally up
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  Speaker 9: to specs or maybe not even as good as they
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 9: need to be, it can compromise the integrity of the aircraft.
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  Speaker 9: So Boeing counts on those vendors to do things. So
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 9: sometimes it is Boeing's fault, and sometimes it's a vendor fault,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 9: or sometimes it's Boeing not properly overseeing the vendor. And,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 9: you know, a lot of things, you know, that are
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 9: involved in the building of the airplane. What we do
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 9: know is Boeing's having a good year. They kicked Airbus'
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 9: butt in the first quarter, and I think Airbus is
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 9: still slightly ahead of them, but I think Boeing will
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 9: probably pass them by the end of the year, an
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 9: aircraft delivery. And they've not done that in, I don't know,
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  Speaker 9: 10 years or something. So the last thing Boeing wants
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  Speaker 9: is anything to come out that's going to slow down
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  Speaker 9: the production. Because if the FAA gets concerned again, they're
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 9: going to do just what they did before. Guys, we're
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 9: going to throttle back. And you're going to make half
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 9: of the normal number of whatever type of aircraft it
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 9: is until we're satisfied you're doing it correctly.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. And real quick here, before we get to
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  Speaker 1: hub delays, just a moment on, can a pilot marry
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  Speaker 1: people like... A ship captain, or is that a myth?
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  Speaker 1: I got a couple that got married on a plane.
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  Speaker 9: This was a story where two people decided to elope,
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  Speaker 9: only going to be the two of them. They're flying
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  Speaker 9: to Las Vegas to get married there. Southwest Airlines flight
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  Speaker 9: attendants find out what's going on. They find out they're
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 9: getting married when they get to Las Vegas, and they
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 9: immediately become wedding planners. They say, why wait till you
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  Speaker 9: get there? You can get married here. The captain is
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 9: an ordained minister. So all of a sudden, before you
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 9: know it, these flight attendants are incredibly excited. Because, look,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 9: these people try to make memories, special memories for people,
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  Speaker 9: and they knew they could do it here. And the
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  Speaker 9: couple who wanted to get away, not really have a
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 9: big wedding, now has 178 guests at their wedding. The
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  Speaker 9: captain comes out of the cockpit, performs the ceremony in
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 9: front of everybody, gets a rousing applause. He goes back,
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 9: keeps flying the airplane. And which was probably on autopilot anyways.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 9: But we got two people in the cabin or cockpits.
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  Speaker 2: That's good.
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  Speaker 9: But just what a special memory for this couple and
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 9: everybody on board the airplane. And I'm sure, you know,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 9: there were probably a couple of fuddy duddies that were
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 9: bothered because their sleep might have been interrupted or the work.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 9: Who cares about that? This was a special moment for
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 9: two people that was shared by the entire plane. Hats
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 9: off Southwest Airlines. When I heard the story, you could
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 9: have told me, Jay. Guess which airline?
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  Speaker 2: And I would have known it was Southwest.
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  Speaker 1: You always have high praise for them. Real quick here,
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  Speaker 1: how's it looking for travel, Jay?
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  Speaker 9: I think Atlanta later in the day is going to
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  Speaker 9: give us some weather delays. It's going to be late.
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  Speaker 9: Everything up until now is good, but probably 3 o'clock
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 9: on could see some delays going through there. Rest of
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  Speaker 9: the country in good shape.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, as always, for your time.