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INTERVIEW: Mehdi Hasan On Mamdani's Mayoral Win, Combatting Hate, Government Shutdown + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club, y'all done morning. Everybody is DJ Envy
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  Speaker 2: Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: We got a special guest in the building. Yes, you're
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  Speaker 2: here to talk about a lot, especially post election coverage,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. Meddi Hassan, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Great to be back.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 5: How do you feel? First of all, I know y'all
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  Speaker 5: was partying all last partying.
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  Speaker 3: I was doing a live stream, so it was very
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  Speaker 3: noisy in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 4: I can imagine there was some noise made at this
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  Speaker 4: historic election night event and the voice took a head.
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  Speaker 3: But it was very historic with there all night. We
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  Speaker 3: were alive all night.
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  Speaker 5: I want to ask you a question. First of all,
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  Speaker 5: have you seen this the front page and then your
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  Speaker 5: post this morning?
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  Speaker 3: Let me see.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, it says on your marks, get set soo socialist
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  Speaker 5: Mundania wins race for mayor the red Apple.
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  Speaker 1: What are you think of that?
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  Speaker 4: What I think is it didn't work during the election campaign.
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  Speaker 4: I can't believe they're still trying this ship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the New York Post Rupert murder. They tried.
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  Speaker 4: They threw every they threw the kitchen scene at this guy,
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  Speaker 4: and it didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: He won a majority of the vote.
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  Speaker 4: In the last days they were like, if only Slee
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  Speaker 4: wa pulls out. The whole campaign was sleeve. What pull
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  Speaker 4: out doesn't matter if Slee would pulled out, he won
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  Speaker 4: more than fifty percent of the vote, He won a
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  Speaker 4: majority in New York.
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  Speaker 3: He won more than a million votes. It's been I
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  Speaker 3: think something.
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  Speaker 4: Like this said sixty years since a New York meracle
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  Speaker 4: won over a million votes. So none of this stuff worked.
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  Speaker 4: They'll keep going after in the billionaires. And I pointed
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  Speaker 4: out last night, Dora Mum, Danny did not just be
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Cuomo and Curtis.
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  Speaker 3: Sleewer do ramon.
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  Speaker 4: Danny beat Bill Ackman and Michael Bloomberg and Reid Hastings
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  Speaker 4: and James Murdock and the Walmart woman and the home
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  Speaker 4: Depot guy and door Dash and Airbnb and all the
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  Speaker 4: billionaires and corporations who threw all that cash at him.
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  Speaker 3: You beat them.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about Bill Lackman reaching out last night?
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  Speaker 3: What did you think of it all?
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  Speaker 4: It was a very short tweet, Bill Ackman writes, these
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  Speaker 4: Warren piece toll story tweets, very short tweet. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I tweeted last night thoughts some prayers to b Lackman
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  Speaker 4: and Elon Musk. This guy spent his entire campaign attacking
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  Speaker 4: He suggested that Zora Mundani is some crazy jahadis terrorist,
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  Speaker 4: radical and.
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  Speaker 2: For people that don't know who he is, he's a
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  Speaker 2: he's a hedge fund manager. He's worth about ten billion dollars.
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  Speaker 4: I envy the people who don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 4: I wish I didn't know who he was. He spends
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  Speaker 4: a lot of money and time online and what's It's
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  Speaker 4: why people hate politics in this country, right, It's so cynical.
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  Speaker 3: He spent the entire campaign saying that guy is.
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  Speaker 4: A terrorist, he hates Jews like the most extreme incendiary rhetoric.
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  Speaker 3: And then he wins. He's like, hey man, I'll work
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  Speaker 3: with you. You need me, I'm here for you.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, I thought you just told us the end
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  Speaker 4: of the world was gonna happen if this guy won, Like,
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  Speaker 4: make your mind up, but I do have a question.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of people were saying that Mamdanney promised
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  Speaker 2: a lot and the unit elevator and some of the
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  Speaker 2: things he said free and.
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  Speaker 1: Rent free, eliminating fans universe building.
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  Speaker 2: Lots, and they are going to be on raising taxes.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna taxes when the top earners and corporations.
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  Speaker 2: Building two hundred thousand houses. So he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: on a timer. So what do you say to those people?
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  Speaker 2: Could he get Can he get all those things done?
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  Speaker 2: With everybody against him in politics?
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  Speaker 4: I should say, well, what's interesting is that everybody is
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  Speaker 4: not against them. The public are with him. Right, he's
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  Speaker 4: got a massive mandate. Donald Trump is a man. Let
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  Speaker 4: me just put context. Donald Trump is a man who's
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  Speaker 4: never won more than fifty percent of the vote.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, he lost the popular vote, still beat Hillary.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty twenty he lost popular vote and everything else
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  Speaker 4: to Biden. In twenty twenty four, last year, he got
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  Speaker 4: fourty nine points something percent of the vote. He never
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  Speaker 4: hit fifty percent. Have you listened to how Republicans talk
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  Speaker 4: like they owned the place. We have a mandate. Millions
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  Speaker 4: of people voted for this. The people are with Trump.
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  Speaker 4: You need to have democratic leaders who are willing to
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  Speaker 4: do the same thing. I want to hear Zara mound
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  Speaker 4: Nani in every speech, go more than a million people
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  Speaker 4: vote for me, like that should be his line in
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  Speaker 4: every interview, at the start and end of every time
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  Speaker 4: he talks, because that is his mandate. Those are the
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  Speaker 4: people who are with him. And the fact that you
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  Speaker 4: were able to just reel off his policies.
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  Speaker 1: Because he said it so much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and because it works right Like Hillary Clinton ran
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  Speaker 4: with like a seven hundred page policy platform, no one
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  Speaker 4: knew what it was. Donald Trump said, band Muslims build
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  Speaker 4: a wall. People remember that stuff. So it was a
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  Speaker 4: political genius to communicate with those kind of simple popular appeals.
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna pull it all off? We will see.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we know that he doesn't have the power
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  Speaker 4: to do everything on his own. Luckily, the governor is
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  Speaker 4: now an ally Kathy. Even though Schumer and others wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: back him, he did get the backing of the governor.
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  Speaker 4: I interviewed Tiss James last night at the Attorney General.
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  Speaker 4: He's got the backing of some big figures in the state. Well,
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  Speaker 4: will that be enough?
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  Speaker 3: We will see.
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  Speaker 4: We will see whether the smile and the charm and
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  Speaker 4: the charisma and the people power will get Albany to
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  Speaker 4: do some of the stuff because he can't do it
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  Speaker 4: on his own.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, well, Governor Hog already says she's not going
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  Speaker 1: to read the taxes.
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  Speaker 4: She says she's not gonna raise taxes, but she also
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  Speaker 4: said she supports his plan for universal childcare. So at
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  Speaker 4: some point, the robber's gonna hit the road. How do
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  Speaker 4: you pay for it? It can only be through raising
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  Speaker 4: taxes on rich folks.
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  Speaker 1: Can it be free bus service in New York City?
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  Speaker 3: I mean there could be anything you want.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, could that happen?
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  Speaker 3: I live in a country whereol every day.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I live in a country where the guy
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  Speaker 4: from Home alone too is president threatening to annex Greenland.
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  Speaker 4: And you tell me if free buses are realistic. I
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  Speaker 4: think a lot of things are realistic if you put
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  Speaker 4: your I mean Socrats are always trying to lower the ambition,
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  Speaker 4: and Republicans are like, we'll do whatever the hell we want,
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  Speaker 4: will conquer countries, will bum things, We'll do all sorts
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  Speaker 4: of insane things.
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  Speaker 3: And Democrats are.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, can we do this little bit for poor
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  Speaker 4: people or marginalized people or people who need help? And
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  Speaker 4: I just think, come on, New York, biggest city in
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  Speaker 4: the country, richest city in the country.
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  Speaker 3: You can't do this stuff. Yes, you can do it.
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  Speaker 1: You know how to do. I really do.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, if they block him, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this is a man who will run again on this platform.
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  Speaker 4: I mean FDR ran in the nineteen thirties on the
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  Speaker 4: basis that, look, they hate me, the rich people, and
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  Speaker 4: I embrace their hatred. And I can very much see
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  Speaker 4: if he doesn't get things through, and it's clear it's
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  Speaker 4: because of the opponents, he'll run on that again in
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  Speaker 4: a few years time.
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  Speaker 1: I want to ask about that.
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  Speaker 5: How does he navigate the government overreach that is absolutely
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  Speaker 5: gonna happen to Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good question. I asked Tis Shamee the same
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  Speaker 3: question yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, all Democratic attorneys generals have been dealing with
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  Speaker 4: this issue in California, in Illinois.
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  Speaker 3: We know Donald Trump is now going to.
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  Speaker 4: Use his excuse to send in the troops, absolutely to
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  Speaker 4: cut funding. I mean, it's insane that he posted on
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  Speaker 4: his social side of the weekend, you know if you
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  Speaker 4: vote for Doromandi, if Zaramond was, I will cut funding
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  Speaker 4: like that is the classic mono.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy, just extortion.
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  Speaker 4: The country's biggest richest city the present United States says,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to send you any money if you
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  Speaker 4: don't vote for the guy I want. By the way,
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  Speaker 4: had the guy you wanted with Andrew Cuomo. So I
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  Speaker 4: just think that's Look. I don't know if there's any
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  Speaker 4: solution to this stuff. I think it's not going to
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  Speaker 4: It can't be Mundaney on his own right. The whole
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  Speaker 4: point about Donald Trump is you can't beat him on
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  Speaker 4: his own. You can't beat what he does is he
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  Speaker 4: goes after institutions and people one by one, like the
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  Speaker 4: bully in the playground, and takes them out one by one.
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  Speaker 4: The only way you beat Donald Trump is with solidarity,
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  Speaker 4: with people sticking together, not people throwing each other under
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  Speaker 4: the bus, big universities, big tech companies, all trying to
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  Speaker 4: curry favor. I actually thought the best part of Zora Undaney'
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  Speaker 4: speech last night was when he went after Trump and
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  Speaker 4: made it very clear. He said the way you respond
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  Speaker 4: to oligarchy and authoritarianism is not with the appeasement they crave,
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  Speaker 4: but with the strength they fear. And he said, you
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  Speaker 4: get rid of the conditions that create despots like Trump.
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  Speaker 3: You don't hear that enough of the Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 4: All you hear from Democrats is we've got to get
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  Speaker 4: rid of Trump and We're back to business as usual.
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  Speaker 3: What zoram I'm done?
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  Speaker 4: He is saying, and Bernie and others have said, is
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  Speaker 4: you can't just get rid of Trump. You got to
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  Speaker 4: get rid of the next Trump. And that means getting
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  Speaker 4: rid of the conditions that created Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Can you vote out an authoritarian regime?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 5: Because I see everybody celebrating, and I'm like, relax, the
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  Speaker 5: guy is still in power. And I don't care who
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  Speaker 5: he has a bit of him. Yes, I don't care
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  Speaker 5: how popular he is. He's got a lot of power
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  Speaker 5: and he can use that power to, you know, get
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  Speaker 5: rid of a lot of the checks and balances that
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  Speaker 5: you know still exist.
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  Speaker 1: Can you vote that out in twenty twenty six?
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  Speaker 4: That is twenty twenty eight. I mean, that's the sixty
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  Speaker 4: four thousand dollars question. It's something I've been worried about
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  Speaker 4: since twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when I said he's not
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  Speaker 4: going to leave after twenty twenty and he tried to
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  Speaker 4: stay on. Look, the guy is selling merch for twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: He's visiting world leaders.
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  Speaker 4: He takes them to a closet in the White House
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  Speaker 4: and he shows them twenty twenty eight merch Schumer and
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  Speaker 4: Jeffery comes to the over offuse, he chucks the twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty eight merchant them. He said the other day, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'm not going to run his vice president
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  Speaker 4: and do that again. But he never fully rules it
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  Speaker 4: out because of course he wants to stay in office.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that is the question, are we going
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  Speaker 4: to have free and fair elections in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 4: But the way to ensure that we do have twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty eight free elections, or at least try and ensure
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  Speaker 4: is is to make sure they don't control every branch
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  Speaker 4: of government. And what last night's blue wave, and it
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  Speaker 4: was a blue wave, what that shows us is actually
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  Speaker 4: the Democrats are a very good path in terms of
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  Speaker 4: winning back the.
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  Speaker 3: House next year.
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  Speaker 4: If they don't win back the House next year, then
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  Speaker 4: I don't I don't think we see the back of
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  Speaker 4: this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I just think there's nothing to stop him at all.
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  Speaker 1: How should democratical guy last night?
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  Speaker 5: And what I mean by that is, yeah, Jersey, you
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  Speaker 5: expect Jersey to go blue. Mayor raised in New York City,
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  Speaker 5: you expect that to go blue. Prim fifty in California,
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  Speaker 5: that's the blue state, right, Virginia, you kind of expect
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  Speaker 5: that the margins margins, Okay, so how should they should
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  Speaker 5: should there be something they look at and be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: this is a this is a step in the right
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  Speaker 5: direction for us.
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  Speaker 3: It's on hundred percent of step in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: Especially you look at the Virginia House for example, which
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  Speaker 4: is seen as a bell whether they won back a
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  Speaker 4: bunch of seats too proof majority there which so so
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  Speaker 4: Trump took a beating in all these places, especially in
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  Speaker 4: Virginia where you know, he fired a bunch of federal workers, doge.
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  Speaker 3: All of that had a huge impact.
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  Speaker 4: But look, it's across the board. It's in special elections.
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  Speaker 4: In Georgia, it's the Prop fifty, a two to one vote.
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  Speaker 4: I think Gavin Newson will be very pleased with that result.
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  Speaker 4: There was a statewide race in Georgia for which they
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  Speaker 4: won as well. You go through the list. In Maine,
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  Speaker 4: they rejected an attempt to limit early voting and all
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  Speaker 4: sorts of other voting methods. So it's really really interesting
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  Speaker 4: that across the board they did well. The margins were big,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, mikey Ryl, it was looking very close in
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  Speaker 4: New Jersey just last week she actually was a blowout, right,
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  Speaker 4: So I do think the margins are big. It does
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  Speaker 4: bode well for them going into next year. My bigger
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  Speaker 4: worry is not did they win the House. I hope
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  Speaker 4: they're win the House, but then what do.
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  Speaker 3: They do with that?
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  Speaker 1: Part?
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  Speaker 4: Like I have no confidence in Heckem Jeffreys, I have
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  Speaker 4: no confidence in Chuck Schumer. I mean Chuck Schumer was
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  Speaker 4: asked yesterday who did you vote for in your city?
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  Speaker 3: And he could not say who he voted for?
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  Speaker 4: Like disgraceful, doesn't come close enough to you are the
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  Speaker 4: leader of the Democrats in the Senate and you can't
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  Speaker 4: say that you voted for the Democratic candidate in New York.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, you said new York goes you
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  Speaker 4: know he's a Democratic city.
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  Speaker 3: But this guy was up against two candidates.
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  Speaker 4: He was up against the Republican and the famous Democrat
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  Speaker 4: with name recognition who was governor of the state.
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  Speaker 1: Terrible candidates.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible candidate.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, and I like Curtis as a person, but.
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  Speaker 4: They agreed, agreed he got lucky. You need lucky in
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  Speaker 4: public hill. Donald Trump got lucky in twenty sixteen. You
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  Speaker 4: could argue with Hillary Clinton. But the point is they
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  Speaker 4: still outspent him. They still threw the kitchen, sinking him.
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  Speaker 4: He still had all the billionaire support, he still had
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  Speaker 4: the Croomo name.
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  Speaker 3: If you go back nine months, we say terrible calendidate.
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  Speaker 4: But he had the inevitability or it was like it's
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Cromo's race to lose.
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  Speaker 3: He was leading in the primaries.
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  Speaker 4: This was the guy who was supposed to just naturally
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  Speaker 4: get it because of his name and experience and money.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't look got disgraced twice.
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  Speaker 2: Let me ask what does that mean for Democrats because
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  Speaker 2: it seems like when the Democrats had somebody they split
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  Speaker 2: like Voltron RIGHTY had Eric Adam, now he's independent. You
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  Speaker 2: have Pomo now he's independent. But they're Democrats. But they
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  Speaker 2: all did this to go at Mombani. So what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean for Democrats? Because Republicans I don't think would
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  Speaker 2: ever do that, even if they didn't like the candidate,
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  Speaker 2: they would still staying behind me.
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  Speaker 3: I Trump.
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  Speaker 4: It's a reminder that they keep nominating crappy Democrats. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: the fact that Eric Adams was the mayor, the fact
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  Speaker 4: that Andrew Cromo was the governor, tells you volumes about
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  Speaker 4: newor Democratic Party and how awful it was. And I
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  Speaker 4: think Mum niney is a breath of fresh air. I
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  Speaker 4: was standing in that hall at Brooklyn Paramount last night
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  Speaker 4: watching him speak, seeing the energy, the crowd, people crying,
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  Speaker 4: thinking to myself, this is the guy they chose to reject.
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  Speaker 4: This is the guy Chuck Schuber couldn't even say he
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  Speaker 4: voted for. This is the guy that, as you call him,
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  Speaker 4: Apac Shakur couldn't turn up and actually until like the
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  Speaker 4: friday before the race, endorsed him.
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  Speaker 3: What is wrong with these people? Do they not want
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  Speaker 3: to win?
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  Speaker 4: He won young men eighteen to twenty nine according to
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  Speaker 4: the NBC exit poll last night, by forty points. To
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  Speaker 4: put that in context, Cheryl and Spamberger won young men
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  Speaker 4: by ten and fourteen points.
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  Speaker 3: I'm done. He won by forty points.
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  Speaker 4: I'm old enough to remember a year ago when Democrats like,
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  Speaker 4: how do we get young men back? Do we need
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  Speaker 4: to go on podcasts? How do we get young men back?
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  Speaker 4: This guy's doing it.
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  Speaker 3: He's given you a playbook and they're like, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want the playbook.
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  Speaker 4: We don't want this guy. The entire party establishment rejecting
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  Speaker 4: him to the very end. Hillary Clinton asked at the weekend,
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  Speaker 4: She's like, I don't know how an out of view
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  Speaker 4: like none of them would come behind this guy with
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  Speaker 4: energy and charisma. So it's a real problem for the
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  Speaker 4: Democratic But if they decided to carry on, you know
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  Speaker 4: the classic circus firing squad where they're all just shooting
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  Speaker 4: each other. On Monday, Spamberger, the woman who just won
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  Speaker 4: the governor's race in Virginia, she was attacking mum, Danny
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  Speaker 4: is dishonest.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you doing. You're both on the
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  Speaker 3: eve of major elections. Why are you attacked? Why are
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  Speaker 3: you attacking him?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: Is there not enough Republicans to attack? But that is
• 12:14
  Speaker 4: classic Democratic part.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: I think I saw correct me if I'm wrong.
• 12:16
  Speaker 5: I saw Paul last night that he won just young
• 12:19
  Speaker 5: people eighteen to twenty nine, by like seventy five percent overall.
• 12:22
  Speaker 4: I didn't see the phial nomination on the male one
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: is fast.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: He won women of course.
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: As well, but the male was fasct because all I
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: was told by pundits was like, young men don't vote,
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: they're all conservatives. Now, we were told that all young
• 12:33
  Speaker 4: men are conservatives. We didn't see that last night. We
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: were told Latinos all conservative. Now, last night Democrats won
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: back Latinos across the country. Guess what, Having a rogue
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: fascist secret police and mask picking up brown people off
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: the street doesn't help your pole ratings.
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: What do you say to the people.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Let's say, you know, because a lot of older people
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: feel like he doesn't have the experience and that's what
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: scares them. So what do you say to olds individuals?
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: And what is your thoughts? I will repeat my position
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: the guy from home alone to his president with his
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: finger on the nuclear button.
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: If Donald Trump can be president of the United States,
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: anyone can be anything in this country. He is like
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: the reverse American dream. And I think, look, you know,
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: he's been in the state Assembly for a few years.
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: He made a very good point in the campaign. He's like, look,
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: my experience is not Andrew Cromo's experience. But why would
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: you want Andrew Cromo's experience. I don't think people care
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: about that stuff anymore. Look at Grand Platinum Maine guys,
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: an oyster fisherman, marine veteran had a Nazi tattoo on
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: his chest and he's fulling out hales.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: People don't care.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: They want authenticity, they crave energy, they crave real people.
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: They are fed up with the automatons and the robots
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: and the corporate consultant created candidates.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: They're done with it.
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: I want to go back to Hakeem Jeffreys and Chuck
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: Schumer for a second.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: Is Iran did give me hope that there are still
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: free and fair elections? Right?
• 13:44
  Speaker 5: Because I'm being honest with you, I was like.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was worried about same things.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: I'm like, right, but he gave me hope it did
• 13:53
  Speaker 5: still free and fair elections. And he also gave me
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: hope that Hakeem Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer could be successfully primary.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 13:59
  Speaker 4: I mean Hakeem, I think is more difficult from what
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: I hear. I'm not the great expert on every New
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: York district.
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: But Schumer for sure. I mean, Schumer is so embarrassing.
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: You see, like you look at people like my good
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: friends of Crooked Media, the pod Save guys and all
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: those guys.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: Everyone across every ring, almost.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: Every wing of the Democratic body is like what is
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: wrong with Chuck? Shop Like it doesn't matter with you,
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: like Mum Danny or not. Like mindly, you can't do that.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: You cannot build your entire personality around vote bloo no
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: matter who with a little asterisk, unless it's the Democratic
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: socialist Muslim guy from New.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: York, then you don't have to endorse him. I think that.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: I think he's embarrassed himself. AOC was at the event
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: last night. She has been obviously a strong support of
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: Mum Danny. A lot of people have divided as to
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: whether they want her to run for president in twenty
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: eight or do they want her to primary Chuck Schumer
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: in twenty eight. She obviously has a better chance of
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: beating Schumer in twenty eight than she hasn't being president,
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: which is just a bigger lift. You know, people like
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: Chiosa from the City council. People are talking about him
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: running up against who said about Dick Cheney as they
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: may he rest in piss, which upset a lot of Republicans,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: but we need that kind of blunt speaking. He's been
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: talked about a potential candidate against Jeffries. I think it'll
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: be different, difficult to primaryquem Jefferies.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: But why do you think so?
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: I think the machine is very strong in places like
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: his district.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: I think I've seen reports about internal poland be good,
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: but look, anything's possible. When I interviewed or On Mondani
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: in December twenty twenty four, and I told him this
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: to his face recently when they interview him again, it
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: was a pity interview. I was like, all right, let's
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: give this scat platform. He's at one percent, he's a lefty.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: I like it. I didn't expect him to win. I'll
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: be on very honest about that.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: He was at one percent and he beat Andrew Cromo twice,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: So yes, it can be done. And I think they
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: should both be really worried, especially Chuck Schuber. I think,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: forget primary Senate Democrats should be forcing his resignation right now.
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: The guy is useless.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: There are many other Democrats who wo do a much
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: better job, Chris Murphy, Bryan Schotts, Chris van Holland, people
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: are going out and taking the fight to Republicans. And
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: meanwhile Schumer's like, I will write you another sternly worded letter,
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: and it's like, you're not the man for this moment.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: The reason I think they should be challenged is because
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: when I saw HACKEM. Jeffrey's on Jake Taple this weekend,
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of reasons I think should be many.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: But I saw him on Jake Tabbit this weekend and
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: they asked him, does he think Madani is the future
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: of the Democratic Party, and he was like, no, Congress
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: Democrats and Congress, what does that even mean?
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Democrats?
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, you could end every Hakeem Jeffrey's interview and say,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: what does that even mean? The man is a walking
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: talking word salad. It's just in si. There was a
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: time when he used to be compared to Obama, which
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's just the racist thing. It's
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: like a young black guy, he's Obama. Here's nothing like Obama.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: He's one of the most ineloquent people I've come across.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: He talks like a robot. Even when he was trying
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: to explain why he hadn't remember. When they would asking
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: like why haven't you endorsed mom Dan, he would be
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: like he would come up with all tortuous sentences to
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: explain himself.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is what I mean.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Why would you want a party led by a robot
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: like Hakim when you can have a party led by
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: a kind of.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Dynamo like Zara Mumdani.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: And that's it's just as simple as that, or an
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: AOC or many other people, or you know, a grand Platt.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: People who actually have I think people.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Are just fed up of the old way of doing policies.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: We know that, we know that since twenty sixteen. The
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Republicans worked that out a long time ago. I think
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Democrats still haven't quite worked it out. There's still in Maine.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: They're trying to run seventy seven year old governor to
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: be a first term senator just to stop grand platn
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: at this populist candidate.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: It's like they don't learn any lessons.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I think it shows how out of touch the Democratic
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Party is when they're giving MUNDANEI credit and he should
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: get credit, but giving him credit for using social media
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: galvanizing young people in talking about affordability.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: He told it a basis I know, like Obama did Dad.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: In a eight.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: It's amazing that this guy had to come on and
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: remember how Mumdani becomes famous. He goes out in Queen's
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: after the presidential election and he just stops people and says,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: did you vote for Trump?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Why do you vote for Trump?
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: There's no hectoring, there's no heckling, just has conversations with them,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: and at the end he's like, well, I'm running for mayor.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: This is what I do.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: And they're like, yeah, we support that. And I think
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: those kind of conversations it's not rocket sciences.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: You say to have that.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: But if you're a party that's captured by donors and
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: the corporate class and special interests, as the Democratic Party
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: sadly is, especially at the higher levels, then it's very
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: hard for you to have those conversations. Like you say,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: it's it's not rocket science, it's like, oh, people want
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: cheaper rent and cheaper buses and more affordable Like, this
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: is not rocket science. But if you yeah, if you're
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: beholden to people who say it can't be done, you
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: can't promise that this is impossible. And one of the
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: things you'd said in the speech last night is that
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: he's redefined what is possible or impossible.
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: Does this win for shadow a shift in the national
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: democratic strategy, because I mean the Madonnas were the only
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: progressive last night.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Everybody else is pretty much establishment.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, So I think that's what I think.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: That's what a lot of pundits are going to spin it,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: as they're already spinning it as as look look.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: At the We got a CIA officer elected in Virginia.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: We got a former Navy pilot in New Jersey who
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: cares about the democratic socialist student in New York.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think people are going to buy it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I don't think any person looks at Spanberger and show
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: with a great respect to his two new women governors
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: won great victories and thinks that is the future. To
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: go back to the question that haquem Win Nuns they're
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the future of the party, They're not. I mean, they are,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: you know, replacement level centrist Democrats who.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Won on a blue wave.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I think I saw a poli Estay NBC exit poll
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: said that forty percent of people in New Jersey and
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Virginia so the sole reason for voting for Democrats was
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: to be anti Trump. So as long as you have
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: that Trump weighing down the Republican ticket, Democrats will benefit
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: from that.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Zora Mum done.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: He's offering something different. He's not just People aren't just
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: voting for him because they're anti Trump. That is not
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the energy that's coming, especially from young people. It's because
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: he is offering a different sort of politics, a different
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: sort of vision somebody who is willing to stand with
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: working people. He began his speech last night talking about
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: the working class, which again many Democrats have not talked
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: about for a long time. Platner is Bernie does, AOC
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: does and now ma'm dani. So I hope they take
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the right lessons. But I suspect they won't. I suspect
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: they'll say nan, no, no, Let's look at what the
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: centrists did. And by the way, I mean, Abigail Spanberger,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: what did she run on?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, Democrats anti Trump, So.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: If she's the model, okay, but what does she run
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the thing. And by the way,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Mikey Sheryl who won in New Jersey, she may be
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: a centrist. She ran on a very very popular Skenny
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: she said, you know, she said she's having to freeze
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: electricity rates. How come we didn't have national debate about
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: that's unrealistic. You can't do that right. In fact, a
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: lot of people say it's illegal for her to do that.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Whether she'll be able to call a state.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Of point is who cares.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: She said it, She's trying it. She showed that she
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: gives her damn about what people care about. And uh,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: you know the double standard is mmdanna oh, prove it,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: prove it, prove it. Nobody said that to mikel Show.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we live in Jersey. That's all I mean.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: I voted for Mikey Hierroll and that's what I voted
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: for her. I voted her because she was talking about affordability,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: because she was talking about lawer in taxes, because she
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: was talking about doing things like you know.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Electric builds like your building, Like, yeah, that's that's crazy.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: My only reason voting war.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: But is it interesting that she said should freeze electricity bills?
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: And that's right because you only questioned the left wing guy.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Now you're right. I do have a question, you know,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: have you spoke to mom Donni with the One thing
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that scares me about Mondanni is when you see the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: post like that and you see the amount of hate
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: he's getting, do you speak to him about security?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Safety? Yes?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And how does he feel about that? Because I've never
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: seen so much hate. You know, you can question somebody,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: but the hate that's coming out of these people sometimes
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's going to be worse than that.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Have you talked to him about security and make sure.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: When I interviewed him just a few weeks ago.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Was it was a day or two days after a
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: guy had just been arrested for making death threats against
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: his staff, And that was before the last few weeks
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: of his campaign where they really ratcheted up this kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: of radical Islamic coming. See Ted Cruz was tweeting he's
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: a literal jihadis.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's just be clear to people what chump said.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: He's used.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I see somebody say should be deported like it's.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: They're putting a pictures of nine to eleven, right, They're
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: using nine to eleven against this guy who was what
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: nine years old on nine eleven. I'm not looking at that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Michael Bloomberg funded the super pack that did that ad
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: with the picture of his face over nine eleven.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: These people should be ashamed of themselves.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Andrew Cromo went on a podcast and laughed when the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: host said, well, he'd be cheering on another nine to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: eleven Ted Cruz, I mean, it's so hypocritical. These Republicans
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: spent weeks going on about Charlie Kirk. Right last time
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I came on your show, I think it was a
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: day before or the day of the killing of Charlie Kirk.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: We spent weeks of Republicans say, if you say fascist,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: that means you're insideing hate Again, if you call us
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: a Nazi, you're gonna get us killed. Look at your language.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: They have spent the last few weeks calling this guy
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: a jihadis. I want to be clear to your viewers,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: a jihadist in the eyes of the American political stablished.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Other people on the planes, the nine to eleven planes
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: is isis is Bokoharam is al Qaider. That is what
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: you are comparing him to. That's what you're saying.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: He literally is.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Republicans have said one after another, he's a terrorist, He's
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: a jihadist, he's a communist, he hates Jews, he hates
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: America based on nothing.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Of course that's going to insight. Hey, of course there's.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Gonna be death threats. I do worry about a security.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I hope he has good security now now that he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the mayor. Before he was the cand that I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: he had a couple of m YPD guys. I hope
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: they have a lot of security. It's actually it's scary
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: the level of Islamophobia. I think I talked to a
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: lot of Muslims. I am Muslim.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Wherever I go.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I was in Texas at the weekend, previous week imes,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: in California. Wherever I go and speak to Muslims, everyone
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: agrees that the Islamophobia now is even worse than it
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: was after nine to eleven.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: What why?
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Just because they've had a twenty year head start to
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: ratchet this stuff up. They're well organized, they're well funded,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: and they are petrified. I mean, you see the reactions
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: last night from all the kind of Daily Wire guys
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: and all those guys like New York's not a real
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: city anymore.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: It does contained real Americans. I mean, white supremacists are.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Much more embold and much more organized than they were
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: under George But I mean, just a reminder, I loathe
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: George Bush.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: The man should be in the Hague. Dick Cheney died yesterday.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I did not shed a tear, but George Bush.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: After nine eleven, even George Bush went to a mosque
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and said, Islamist peace, Let's not blame more Muslims for
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: what happened. Can you imagine Donald Trump doing that today?
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Of course, none of these Republicans would, and they are
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: waiting for him to kind of pin more stuff on him.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: The hate is out of control. And the hypocrisy from
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: these people who spent the last month telling us toned
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: down the language, don't get us killed, and they're doing
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: It's it's I worry.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: What do you say to Mundani though?
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: And I would love to ask him this question for
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: Jewish people who have real fear right or for you know, Cuba.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I was talking to a couple of my Cuban friends
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: last night and they was like, he's a communist. I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: looking at it, and he's a communist is so obvious.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Those that have not been affected by communism don't see
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: it and don't care to see it. He's selling an
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: unrealistic dream that unfortunately ignorant people and people who are
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: easily swayed.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's allbs.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: A guy who's never worked a day in his life,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: living on mommy's money for del Castro, was charismatic and
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: made promises, and when he took the range he killed
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: his number two and declared he was Marxist.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Cuba has been in this shits ever since.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: What are you saying to those people? Why do you
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: tell Mandani to handle those people?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I would say to Cuban Americans in good faith, Cuban
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Americans who worry about communism in Cuba, I would say,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I don't remember Fidel Castro's platform being fast and free buses,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: freeze the rents, universal childcare. To go back to the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: how we began the discussion, like that is not communism,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Like you got to go get a.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Dictionary or educate yourself about what communism is. So I'm
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: knowing he's not a communist, He's a democratic socialist. He
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: is what Bernie Sanders is. And in this country, by
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: the way, democratic socialist is not even real socialism.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: It's basically European social democracies.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: What the Scandinavians have, you know who universal childcare, Finland,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Iceland and Denmark, Sweden, these countries have universe childcare. They're
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: very nice places, very mild places. Go on holiday, Americans
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: go to Sweden. It is not communist Cuba like the
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: kind of again the incendiary rhetoric. And by the way,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I would argue that that's actually a very good position
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: for to be in. They know the socialist stuff doesn't
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: work anymore because people are like, we quite like that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: So now have you noticed they ratchet it up he's
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a communist. Trump said on sixty minutes, He's not a socialist,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: he's a communist. They've even ratcheted that up because they
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: know their attacks aren't working. It's so cynical. And on
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the front, on the antisemitis of the front. Last night
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: in his speech he said again, he said, I will
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: stand with Jewish New Yorkers against the scourge of antisemitism.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: He said it again.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I interviewed Brad Lander last night, who was one of
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the main guys who endorsed him, and during the race,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: one of his top allies Jewish American standing up to
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: It's all bs.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: And I would point out, by the way, one in
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: three Jewish Americans, according to the Exit Pole Jewish New
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Yorkers voted for und Nanni right. Majority didn't, but one
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: in three voted, a significant minority of Jewish people.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: This is not a monolithic.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Community the Jewish community, like any community, there are different views.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And a third of Jews in New York said, you
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: know what, we like Zora mum Dandy. We don't buy
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: the bs about Zora Mumdy. And I've said this many
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: times to people. Show me the one antisemitic statement he's
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: made show me one, just.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: One say it was one.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: They was pointing the rap lyrics. I can't remember what
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the lyrics are, but told me these rap lyrics.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: No, there was rap lyrics about He was supporting a
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: group of Muslims who had been detained at the time.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: It was a very controversial case during the War on
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Terror during the Bush period, the Holy Land Foundation folks
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: who were accused of channeling money to Hamas. That's a
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: civil liberties issue. You can disagree or agree with it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: That was his position. I challenge anyone to find me
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: a state from from zaraon mum Daney where he says
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: something anti Jewish, antisemitic.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: In fact, it's the opposite.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: He spends his.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Time cherishing diversity. He is the diversity candidate. It was
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Andrew Cromo on an MSNBC and confused Eugene Daniels with
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Jonathan k par two black men, got them wrong way around,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: and said, well, diversity is not in that. You know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: that's not our strength and all this crap that we're hearing.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: So I just it's so cynical, the weaponization of antisemitism
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: against Let's be honest, it's not about antisemitism about the
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: fact that he's anti Israel the fact that he's a
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: critic of Israel, and it's a conflation of the two.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: He's he's very unapologetic about his criticism of Israel.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: That's what pissed all these people off.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Let me ask you boy that because you know, I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: did see an n last name with mins Shapiro and
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: he referred to him as anti Israel, and I was like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: is it fair to say he's anti Israel?
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Is he anti the.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Israeli government that is, you know, uh, committing war crimes?
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in God, well, he's definitely anti that, as every
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: person with a heart should be. If you're not anti
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: this Israeli government, you're a sociopath. But in terms of
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: the actual they would argue, let me just be fair
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: to the critics. The critics would say he is anti
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Israel because when he was asked does it have a
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: right to exist as a Jewish state, he says he
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: believes it has a right to exist with equality for everyone,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and this goes to the debate around Zionism and the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: nature of a Jewish state. Zara mum Nani's position is,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I'm an American. I believe in equal rights for everyone.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I want that everywhere. Israel doesn't have that. Palestinians aren't full,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: first class equal citizens in Israel, even inside of Israel.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: So that's what I support. The funny thing is he
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: also says that about Saudi Arabia. He says about India right,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: he's criticized the Indian government for its ethno nationalism. He's
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: against ethno nationalism. We're Americans, we should all be against
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: ethno nationalism. So it's all exaggerated, I think a lot,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: But you're right. Fundamentally, he's against genocide in Gaza, as
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: are most Americans, as our forty percent of American do
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you think it to genocide in Gaza?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Again, not a monolithic community.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: But that's what really annoyed Bill Ackman. That's what annoyed
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro. Not anything to do with antisemity. That's all
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: been completely cynically weaponized against them. And you'll see that
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: as mayor.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: People will be fine.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: I've got another question about the government shut down. The
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: ACA premiums have already gone up, they're set for the year. Democrats,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: we appreciate the effort, but isn't it time to reopen
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: the government.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, who's in judge of the government.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Republicans, But you still need those eight Democrat boatstable.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because of the filibuster they now want to get
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: rid of. By the way, Yeah, I spent years.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Saying anybody, I don't care who's responsible for it's a bidparty.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: It's gonna take a bio Bardies effort. But isn't it
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: time to reopen the government?
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course it's time to reopen the government. But
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the Republicans in judge of the government. You cannot have
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: still need a democratic but you cannot have a political
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: system that always relies on only the Democratic Party being
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: the responsible party.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: You just can't. America cannot survive.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: We've created It's like having toddlers, right, they probably go
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: about are a bunch of toddlers, and everyone else has
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: to be the adults in the room. And that cannot
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: continue indefinitely. And at some point I'm glad Democrats have
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: drawn aline, even with humor and Jeffries where they're saying,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: you know what, it's up to Republicans to govern responsibly.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: It's up to Republicans to stick to their pledges.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But we know they can't.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: But that's the problem.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: But we know the reason I say it with the
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: greate disrespect, My friend, you're part of the problem. You
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: can't say we know they can't because that immediately gives
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Republicans a possible puts the entire American democracy, American government,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: American economy only in the hands of one party should have.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: To deal with.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I agree, but we know Republicans aren't going to do
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: the right thing Renners. Do you know they're talking about
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: cutting snap benefits. People got childcare to pay light bill
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: card notes. We need groceries like we need the Democrats
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: to say, Okay, we know you're not going to give
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: us no concessions.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: We fought the good fight. We're going to both to
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: reopen the government.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: The problem with that argument is if you're worried about
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: human suffering, the counter argument is that reopening the government
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: on Republican terms increases human suffering.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, but the elections.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: The elections in twenty twenty six, so now you can
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: say Republicans are responsible for your humor suffering. Republicans are
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: the reason you got high health care, so let's change
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: this in twenty twenty six.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I don't have the numbers off the top of my head,
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: but a lot of the stuff that Trump did in
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: the big beautiful bill, all the horrific stuff. They very
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: smartly delayed that till after the terms. At the premium
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: is a lot of pain. So look, there's a strategic
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: argument for doing what you're saying.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I don't believe.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: I've been around long enough to know that this always
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: ends with the Republicans benefiting from Democrats rolling over. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I'm glad to see Democrats not rolling over.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, but it's hard to see all this
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: human stuff. These food banks are sold. The line food
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: banks are so long. You know, we got government workers
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: calling up here every day.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: But the fact that people, but the fact that you
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: and I are talking about Democrats are not Donald Trump
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: starving Americans and saying he said at the weekend he goes,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I will a court.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Let's just be very clear. A court has said he
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: must release the funds to pay for SNAP and.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: He said I'm not going to do it. That should
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: be the conversation. It's not should Democrats open the governments?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Should Donald Trump follow the law?
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying the government should be reopen. We
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: just know it takes a Biparti's in effort to do it. Yes,
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: Republicans are the main issue, but we can't act like it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: You know, eight Democrats.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: It'll be interesting see if they get rid he's not
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: pushing for the philibuster, new King. It'll be interesting to
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: see if they get rid of that philibuster because of course,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: in the long run, that will help Democrats.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: They had a good night last night. Reopen the government,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, but I'm saying it's Republicans have
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: to reopen the government.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: It's a bipartisan effort.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, they control the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, Democrats.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm not even saying Democrats are a problem. I'm
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: just saying it is a bipartisan effort.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'm sying to get people their money, and
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: I'm saying I'm saying there's a cush to doing it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: And you know, and you know, the where the where
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: where it's kind of disingenuous is if by some chance
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Republicans do make concessions, aren't you going to give the
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: Democrats credit? And what if the Democrats make concessions on healthcare?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: If the Democrats are republic I mean, if Republicans.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: Make concessions on healthcare. Aren't you going to give the
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Democrats credit? I mean yes, so you got to give
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: them this credit now with the government being.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: That they have a role to play.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, but it's about but the problem whose responsibility is it?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: That's the point I don't think again, it goes back
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: to my thing. I can't treat Republicans like children and toddlers.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: I don't think American democracy can survive if we only
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: have a two party system and one of the two
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: parties is completely we just don't take seriously. They can
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: do whatever the hell they want. They can break any
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: law it could want, any judge, shut down any government program,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: n usaid like that, and again, the costs of reopening
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the gun, the costs of conceding on the Medicaid cuts.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And all of that stuff. Your point is, well, next
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: year they can point in the midterms, what about the
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: suffering on that front till the midterms? What the people
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: are gonna lose health care?
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, but man, that's one high bill
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: to pay as opposed to not being able to pay
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: your rent, not being able to put your card, not
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: be able to pay your childcare. Even if you have healthcare.
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: Now you still can't pay. Agree because you're not making
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: any money.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I agree to the horrific situation. It's why I wish
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: people are not re elected Donald Trump.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are where we are.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: We got Donald Trump for another three years minimum, maybe longer,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: as you and I fear.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: And Democrats have to be the adults in neural because
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: of that, they just have too many I know you,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: I know we don't want him to be I'll tell
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: you I shouldn't be like that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: It is no, but it isn't.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Because I think you can.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: We have to change the way we talk about politics,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: the way we organize, the way with the media covers
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: this stuff. Because the minute you do this, let me
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: just give you a let's say they open the government tomorrow.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Let's sa'se eight Democrats to fill them or whatever they
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: come in government?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Open up? What is that? What precedent does that say?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: It just means that Republicans will keep doing this again
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: and again, knowing that you've got three more years of
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: pain and suffering.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, but hopefully with the next year you can say,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: look at your health care benefits.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: The healthcare benefits are high as hell.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: It's because of Republicans twenty twenty six, y'all need to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: change this.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: So the Republican body runs a completely operate opposite manual.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: When they're in opposition, they do everything they can, obviously
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: to not make government where they don't care if people
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: are starving and can't pay their rent. But then they
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: electorally benefit from that right. They benefit from saying, ah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: the government didn't work. Ah, things didn't get through, and Democrats, unfortunately,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I think, are gonna have to use that playbooks as
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: cynical and ruthless as has to be.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I don't see another alternative. You tell me
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: what the alternative is.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: You're hoping that the government opens up and things go
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: back to normal, whatever normal is, and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: Then people blame the Republicans. I'm to see it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would rather the government be open, people be
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: getting paid, And we're having these arguments about healthcare and
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Republicans fucking shit up without you know, people having the
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Mispaid checks.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: But if the governments open up, this democratic argument I'm
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: not a Democrat, but the Democratic Party argument is if
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the government's open up, you're gonna have huge costs in
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the healthcare world.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Once again, that's one bill as opposed to people not
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: getting no checks to pay lights, rent daycare, like no
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: money coming in.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is horrible.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: It's just it's an fed up situation in this country.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: We shouldn't. By the way, can I just point this
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: out to people who are listening or watching. I'm for
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the UK. I have an immigrant to the US.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: No other country functions like this. There's no other Western
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: democracy that has government shutdowns. There's no other Western democracy
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: that has debt ceilings.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: This is all.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Artificial crap that's in our system that needs to be
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: fixed again when the Democrats are in office, they need
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: to fix this stuff so that we don't have this
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: constant cycle of this nonsense.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: The people are like, this is why people hate politics.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: To go back to what I said at the start.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Well, at least we got people here, you here bring
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: some clarity to it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it absolutely well.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you for joining us this morning. Thank you,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you for breaking it down.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you'll be back sooner than.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Later, not to talk about it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks case.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we got the ladiest
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: with Lawrence, So don't go anywhere it's the breakfast Club.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Good morning, hold up every day a week ago.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Pack your ass up the breakfast club, you finish for
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: y'all done,