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#105 - Peter Vinnicomb - Australian First Responder · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Music. There you go.
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  And we're live. We are live.
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  On the YouTube even. On the YouTube even it's the
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  Christian Mike show, we got Peter.
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  Is it Vinicombe? Vinicombe.
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  Vinicom, Peter Vinicom. Here we go.
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  Boys and girls, everybody. So there you have it.
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  There you go. This is the Chris and Mike show
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  and we are, we are. This is kind of cool.
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  For those of you just joining us live on YouTube and those who
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  will be joining us later on, Peter is in Australia, I am in
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  Arizona, Mike is in Illinois. That is the power of technology
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  in a positive way. We have traversed the
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  International Dateline for the first time.
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  And it's, and Peter's living in the future from what I
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  understand, it's when we're recording this, it's, it's 3:00
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  on a Tuesday afternoon in in America.
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  What time was it in Australia, Peter?
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  It is 8:00 Wednesday morning. Wow so so let us know what
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  happens between now and tomorrow morning, because I would like to
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  know I want to know about the stocks I want to know about what
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  what sports teams have won or lost.
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  I want to know what what I should invest in right now.
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  So then I reap the benefits tomorrow.
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  OK. And then if there's.
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  Anything else? And a $70 million Lotto drawer
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  about maybe 12 hours ago. OK.
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  And what are those numbers? Give us the numbers.
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  I'll I'll I'll PM them to you. OK, cool.
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  Because then we'll we'll split it, man.
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  We'll split it three ways. Is and is it it's hilarious.
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  Is it Australian money? It is.
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  So that's 70 million probably the difference is we don't pay
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  tax on our Lotto wins. Really, which is the way it
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  should be? So if you win, 70,000,070
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  million goes into your bank. OK, So what?
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  Can't tell you how many. I can't tell you how many
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  people, Peter, that I hear say if I were going to live anywhere
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  else in the world other than the United States, they all say
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  Australia. So you guys must do a lot of
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  things right down there. Yeah, I was dragged over here
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  when I was 12 years old. I was brought up in England and
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  I wasn't, wasn't impressed to come over.
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  Dad hated the the cold weather. He he worked on a ship and loved
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  the heat. So we came over in in 87 for a
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  holiday and then they said we're moving.
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  OK. So I was brought over in 89 and
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  yeah, I would, I wouldn't live anywhere else.
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  Love it. That's all.
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  Really. So, so we've heard now from
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  America, because America, this is one, this is the question I
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  wanted to ask you. So, so Americans, the viewpoint
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  of Australians, right? And this is sounds so it's
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  usually like when I, when I, when I think of Australia, I
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  think #1 Crocodile Dundee, OK, I think of, I think, and this
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  isn't, this isn't me mocking anybody, but you put another
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  shrimp on the Bobby, right? Those are the, those are the two
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  instant things that comes to mind as an American after
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  Australia. That and the fact that you're on
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  the other side of the world, right?
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  And your, and your toilet water goes the opposite direction than
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  our water. I don't know if that's real or
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  not. But I was guilty of all that
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  until I, you know, did some research myself because so many
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  people said they wanted to live there.
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  I'm like, this has to be a great place.
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  You know, I had the same initiation to Australia that you
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  did. It's silly and everybody over
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  here says the same thing. But I think he's going to say
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  it's nothing like that. Well, and this is my question,
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  what what do Australians think of Americans in that kind of
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  context? Like, do you just think we're
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  all arrogant asshole Donald Trump loving type?
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  You know, from from your perspective?
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  Yeah, from your perspective. What do you what?
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  Yeah. I think Americans in general
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  often don't know much outside of their own backyard in world,
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  world affairs and geography and that type of thing.
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  Yeah, there are a lot of people that think Australia is this
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  tiny backwards hit town, You know, even though it's a massive
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  country, Australians probably one of the friendliest mobs out
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  there. You know, we definitely have our
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  issues. There's we don't have guns, you
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  know, there's, there's, there are guns for people in sporting
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  shooting associations and in on the land.
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  But apart from that, we don't have the worry about guns.
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  Your police don't carry guns either.
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  No, the police do carry guns. Yeah, so, and if I had to guess,
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  I'd say we probably average maybe two to three school
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  shooting, school shootings, just police shootings every year
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  Australia wide. Two to three in the entire
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  continent. Yeah, yeah, there's not a lot.
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  So so. Just so people understand it's a
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  culture thing though, you know, so we athletes don't go up to
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  people in a, in a, in a traffic stop and think that they're
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  carrying. It's, it's an extremely rare
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  thing. I mean, there is organized crime
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  and that sort of thing. So, you know, there's, there's
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  bad players in every country, but generally it's not too bad.
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  So you you, so you open up the can of worms about the mob.
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  Is your mob similar to like the the American mobsters that, you
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  know, gambling, racketeering, prostitution, drugs, all that
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  kind of jazz, Like go over and take over a city and just, you
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  know, bring it down into the absolute, you know, just dregs
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  of society. Are they more respectful?
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  A lot of the organised crime is what we call outlawed bikie
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  gangs. So most, most, most one
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  percenters of the bikie gangs are outlawed and it's actually
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  illegal for them to to to band together and that sort of thing
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  and be found. And I think it's more than three
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  people and stuff like that. So there's a lot of that and
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  they're the bikie gangs are probably the most organised
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  crime over here. But there's definitely, you
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  know, Chinese groups and, and, you know, Lebanese groups and
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  that sort of thing in different pockets around the country.
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  OK, let me ask you this, Peter. From what I understand, and I've
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  done a moderate amount of research on Australia because
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  I'd like to go there one day, isn't it true that the majority
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  of the civilized population lives in a tiny part of a
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  gigantic continent? Is that not true?
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  Absolutely, yeah. No, that is very true.
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  The the mainly the eastern seaboard of Australia is your
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  most populous. OK.
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  If you know roughly how many miles is that wide towards what
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  you guys would call the Outback or?
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  Well, see, I'm, so I'm in Townsville, I live in far North
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  Queensland. So for those that know
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  Australia, you kind of got that pointy bits at the top right.
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  I'm sort of towards towards the northern part of there.
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  But it still probably takes me another 8 hours to get to the
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  tip. OK, driving.
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  And then to get down to Brisbane, which is the capital
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  city of the state that I'm in, is about 1300 kilometres.
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  Wow. Then it's about 1000 kilometres
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  to Sydney and about 1000 kilometres to Melbourne.
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  So they they're your three major cities in, in Australia would be
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  Brisbane, Sydney and and Melbourne.
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  And then across on the other side of the country, which I
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  think think it's about it's either 7 or 8000 kilometres over
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  to Perth. OK, yeah, people don't realize
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  Australia is gigantic. Right.
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  So if so, how many? How many Texas is Australia?
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  Because Texas is pretty big. I knew it one time to be honest
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  with you, I don't want to guess now.
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  I think it's like, well, I'll Google it if you got I got one
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  more question. So explain to the people.
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  So now we know that everybody lives on the Eastern seaboard.
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  As far as civilized society, what is the rest of the
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  continent like from like N to Southeast to West?
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  Is it all the same or is it different?
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  It's different and there are pockets of people throughout.
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  There's a lot of mining goes on in Australia.
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  So a lot of the Outback, what we call the Outback towns are, are
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  pretty much around those, those sort of mines.
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  And then you get little pockets and then there's a lot of
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  indigenous places spread throughout and they can be.
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  So the most, most remote place I've worked is probably a place
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  called Buck Alden. And that's six hours inland from
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  a medium sized city. It's an hour and a half from any
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  clinical backup or, or anything like that.
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  Kangaroos are literally sitting in your front, your front lawn.
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  Yeah, there's a, there's a lot of stereotypes that, you know,
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  we catch Kangaroos to school and things like that.
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  When you're in the Outback there, there are Kangaroos
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  sitting in your front yard. And that's crazy.
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  Yeah. Now how?
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  Are those people living? Are they living in traditional
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  houses? Are they living in huts?
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  Are they poor? Do they you know what?
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  What kind of lifestyle are they living out there?
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  Normal houses, they're normal city, normal towns, often 1500
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  people would be, you know, around 1000 people would be sort
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  of be a minimum kind of thing. There's, look, there's, there's
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  definitely indigenous towns that are, are quite poverty stricken
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  and they, they live a different lifestyle with, with the, you
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  know, there's, there's rampant alcohol problems and crime
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  problems and that sort of thing. And that's, that's probably the
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  biggest ongoing institutional issue that we have is the
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  disparity between Indigenous people and, and, and the common
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  folk. So Indigenous people is the
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  Aborigines, correct? That's correct.
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  And then so. Indigenous, Aboriginal and
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  Torres Strait Islanders. OK, so for those that don't
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  understand that may not truly grasp the concept of Aborigines
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  or what what's their are they like the original settlers in
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  Australia? Yeah, they've got a history
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  here, you know, not forgive me if I misquote times, but they,
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  they've been here thousands and thousands of years.
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  There's rock paintings and stuff going back a long, long time.
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  And then Australia was basically taken over in 1788 when Captain
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  Cook sailed over. And yeah, and basically there
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  was a mass genocide. There was a lot of a lot of
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  people killed. And then then there was a, you
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  know, it's a pretty, pretty piss poor history in dealing with
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  Indigenous folks. Didn't the English make it a
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  prison colony for a while? Yep, that's exactly what who
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  came over in the first fleet was was it was English convicts and
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  then they they basically wiped out indigenous folk left right
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  and centre they came with. All this technology.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And then they tried to, then
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  they tried to breed them out. They would steal their children.
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  And yeah, so there was a big thing called the Stolen
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  Generation where they would actually steal children in this.
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  And we're only talking 70 years ago, 80 years ago this is this
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  is relatively recent. The stolen, the stolen
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  generation, that's what you call it, yes, I mean, I mean.
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  And it was literally the government.
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  The government would go in and they would take Indigenous
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  children an attempt to assimilate them into white
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  people's culture and kind of breed them out.
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  They weren't they, they, they fought for us in the World War,
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  in World War 2, but they weren't actually classified as citizens.
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  I think it was until the 70s, which for me is just, you know,
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  I'm a, I'm a child of the 70s. To me, that is so just.
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  It's so foreign to me that that would even be a thing.
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  Agreed. Yeah, we.
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  Come from the same. 70s yeah, we come from the 70s too.
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  We're all the same age. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  That's crazy, man. The I, I, I mean just, I mean,
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  it sounds cheesy, but the stolen generation that's that's kind of
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  that's a, that's a unique way to phrase something if.
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  We didn't go for a pen and paper there.
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  I'd be real surprised. Yeah, the Stolen Generation.
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  I like that too. Yeah, yeah.
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  So. And the, you know, the, the, the
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  Prime Minister, I think it was in 2006, I think it was around
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  there, the, the Prime Minister actually, it took, it took over
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  50 years for the government to actually make an official
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  apology. And governments now are still in
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  the process of trying to make reparations or come to
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  agreements on reparations because there's still people
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  alive now from the from the stolen generation.
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  And it did. And it's caused multi
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  generational trauma. Oh, I don't, yeah, I could see
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  that because it's it's no different than if, if that
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  people come over. I'm sure you've heard the
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  nonsense of our border wars and stuff with especially in
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  Arizona, like the border wars in Arizona are more it's it's more
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  prevalent than than it is in Texas, than it is in California.
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  I think. I don't know why, but but you've
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  probably heard stories of how when they come across they
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  separating the parents and the kids and things like that.
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  And you know, so I can't imagine that at all.
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  I can't imagine being separated from my kids and and vice versa.
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  So trauma for sure. I could see how that would have
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  a lasting effect generationally, right?
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  Because it's just, you know. That's why I agree with what
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  Peter said. And I always say I'm on team
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  people, right? The whole borders and races, and
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  we're all on this one planet together, and we all have the
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  same pool of resources, right? Why can't we just get along, be
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  cool with each other, do a podcast, meet a guy like Peter,
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  have a good time. You know, I don't understand why
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  that's so hard. If you don't like somebody,
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  don't talk to him. What does a imaginary line have
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  to do with anything? Nothing except for Les Messman's
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  office in WKRP. So so Peter, I like your smile.
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  So you know WKRP. Did WKRP make it to Australia?
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  I'll say yes. Right on and.
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  Not OK. OK, well, it was a it was a
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  sitcom in this in, in the 70s that was, was, was focused on a
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  radio station. And one of the, one of the
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  characters was Les Nessman, who was a news reporter.
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  And he always went in an office, but he wasn't allowed to have an
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  office. So he took duct tape basically,
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  and duct tape a space on the floor.
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  And he wouldn't mind himself going in and shutting his door,
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  you know, and somebody just walked past line, like, wait a
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  minute, Peter, you have to knock and then you'd back up and, you
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  know, just they're famous. The, the most famous scene they
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  have is is on Thanksgiving, the, the, the WKRP Turkey drop.
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  So Les Nessman's on the ground watching the helicopter above
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  pushing out the turkeys and everybody thought they could fly
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  and they didn't fly. So it was raining turkeys and
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  it's just a whole bunch of chaos and the mob, you know, and the
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  last, the last gimmick in the, of the show that episode was was
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  Mr. Carlson, the station manager standing there with Herb
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  Tarlich. The sales guy is like, you know,
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  it's God is my witness. I thought turkeys could fly.
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  It was one of the funniest American sitcoms that we ever.
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  Produced. Yeah, it was great, all the
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  different. We get, we get most of the
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  American sitcoms over here. We are very, very heavily
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  influenced by American culture. So movies as well.
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  Sorry, Chris. No, you're good it.
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  Was a good question. Movies as well.
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  Absolutely. Yeah, OK.
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  So from from your guys's standpoint, since you since we
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  did went to the media thing, do you guys have like like
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  obviously Mel Gibson came out of Australia, the Mad Max trilogy,
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  original Mad Max trilogy, not the one, I don't know about the
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  ones George Mosery doing, but the original ones were all based
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  in Australia, correct? That's correct, yes.
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  Yeah. So do you have your own, I don't
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  know how to like, do you have your own Hollywood, for lack of
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  a better question, like in in Australia where you produce your
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  own movies and TV shows and that kind of stuff.
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  Yeah. And when, when Trump recently
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  announced that a tariff on movies produced outside of
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  Australia, sorry, outside of America, that could cost us
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  hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars.
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  The Gold Coast is probably our number one thing.
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  Most of the Pirates of the Caribbean were filmed in
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  Australia. Really.
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  I did not know that. I didn't know that either.
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  The Matrix. The Matrix.
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  The Matrix was filmed in Australia.
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  Really. A few of them, Yeah.
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  The Marvels have input. King Kong though, the Kong
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  versus gorilla versus Kong that was made in Australia.
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  So there's a huge Australian thing and and especially in a
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  special. Effect.
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  I know that that's crazy that's good to know So and you've been
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  you've you 20 years in as a first responder basically right
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  Yeah. So I've been a.
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  Paramedic for 20 years. OK, so give.
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  Us a little insight. Over here, our system's slightly
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  different to yours. Yeah, all our, we have state
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  based ambulance services and that's pretty much it.
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  So and they're not, they're not ingrained with fire departments
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  or anything like that. So, you know, and so to give it
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  to and we, we are a very large, very large state.
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  So I, I used to work as a single officer.
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  So I would be on call for what I would do 8 days on six days off
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  with office hours and then be on call for the rest of the rest of
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  the time. So you're pretty much on call
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  for 24 hours a day for 8 days and you are responding on your
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  own. So you may get in some regions
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  or areas, you might have some volunteer first responders who
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  will drive your vehicle so that you can treat in the back.
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  But yeah, sometimes it can take, you know, it can be 8090
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  kilometres down country roads to get to a place.
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  You know, it can take an hour, hour and a half to get somewhere
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  and then it can take an hour and a half to get back to a very,
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  you know, something that's very much a health clinic rather than
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  a hospital. And then often they have to get
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  flown via Royal Flying Doctors Service to to a major tertiary
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  hospital. So that sounds like a like a a
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  potential crisis turning into death If if it's something.
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  That's a three hour round trip. Right, just to get to a health
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  clinic. And then if they're severe like
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  let's let's let's let here's so you see if you can answer this.
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  I'm sure you can. So somebody's having a heart
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  attack, right? So they call you up, you're 90
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  minutes away. You get there, they're still
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  alive. Then you do what you can to
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  stabilize them, I would assume, right?
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  And then you drive them back to 90 minutes.
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  And then if they're still alive after that three hour total
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  window plus whatever time they were suffering from this.
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  That's somebody who who would then be flown to a actual
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  hospital. Yeah.
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  So we, we do carry drugs, clot busting drugs that we are able
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  to give under circumstances that can clear it.
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  I mean they're a high risk drug. We call it Draino for Draino for
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  the heart. I don't know if you guys have
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  Draino but it basically. Dissolves.
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  Everything heart Draino. Yep, but the problem with with
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  heart draino is that if you've got a clot in your brain that is
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  kept you alive, it busts that too.
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  Oh. Oh, so you know, it's one of
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  those cost versus benefit things.
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  You know, you're gonna die from a heart attack if you don't get
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  it, but it can, the actual drug can cause the death of people as
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  well. So, you know, and that and, and
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  it's not a drug given lightly. Sure, we have doctors.
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  We have doctors on call for US 24 hours a day nowadays that we
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  can ring up and get advice. Telehealth is obviously improved
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  massively. So there's a lot of things that
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  can be done. Now if we're going to a job
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  that, you know, it also depends if we're in reach of a
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  helicopter whether or not they can come.
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  You know, they, they only have a certain range and often we're
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  outside of that range. So, and now the, the new thing
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  that they're looking at unofficially is drones, using
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  drones to be able to take product to people to, to scenes
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  that might be able to help them get, you know, how you could get
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  there and get a drug into them before we get there using, using
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  telehealth and talking to doctors and that sort of thing.
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  So there there's a lot of technology that's going to help
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  in the in the future. That's cool.
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  And that's just because it's because you're that's just
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  because all your cities are so spread out.
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  That's like and it's it's so, so every specific city doesn't have
• 22:02
  those services. It's just a statewide thing like
• 22:04
  you referenced. So then all of this parts from
• 22:05
  the same location. Yes, yeah.
• 22:08
  So each, each so, So for example, I, I worked for the
• 22:12
  Queensland Ambulance Service and there was 4000 paramedics spread
• 22:17
  out somewhere. Oh Jesus.
• 22:20
  I don't even, I don't know what to compare that to, but it's
• 22:23
  huge. Like I said it to go from the
• 22:25
  bottom of the state to the tip of the state's probably about a
• 22:29
  25 hour drive. Wow.
• 22:31
  OK, yeah, that's crazy. To give you an idea, Chris,
• 22:35
  because I know you asked earlier, yeah, the United States
• 22:38
  is only slightly larger than Australia, like by 25%.
• 22:43
  Oh, that's how big Australia is. Why so when he's?
• 22:45
  Talking. So so.
• 22:47
  Now it's. Really.
• 22:48
  The United States into about 6-6 states.
• 22:52
  Oh, OK. Wow, wow.
• 22:55
  So now you can imagine how Western.
• 22:56
  Australia is about 1/3 the size is 1/3 of the country.
• 23:00
  OK. Now you can imagine how long it
• 23:03
  takes to get somewhere because you know how long it takes to
• 23:05
  get from one state to the next. You'd have to go 6 states to the
• 23:08
  next state. Wow, that's insane.
• 23:10
  See Jake, Jake, my son's a Marine and he was when he was
• 23:13
  stationed in Japan, he actually got an opportunity to be doing
• 23:17
  the Navy for about was supposed to be 3 months and it being nine
• 23:19
  months. But during that time they they
• 23:22
  had, I guess you call it ported in Australia.
• 23:25
  So he actually got to see Australia, which is cool.
• 23:28
  Of course she doesn't like share all the fun stuff with us.
• 23:31
  Just that, you know, he had, he had a Vegemite sandwich that it
• 23:33
  was disgusting. Yeah, I've never, I've never
• 23:37
  been able to get into Vegemite. And then he had the Fosters,
• 23:41
  which is, you know, Americans look at Fosters as Australian
• 23:44
  for beer might, right? And the only people that drink
• 23:47
  fosters is people that aren't Australian.
• 23:53
  That's marketing genius right there you walk into that's how
• 23:57
  you can tell right we'll. Go overseas and they'll be hard.
• 23:59
  You want to fosters? It's like I don't drink that
• 24:01
  shit at home, why would I? Drink it here.
• 24:04
  So the brilliance of that, you know, when a tourist is in town,
• 24:07
  right, because they walk into Washington.
• 24:08
  I like a Fosters please and everybody in the barges.
• 24:12
  Four stops. OK.
• 24:14
  That's my question. It's funny because we, I live in
• 24:16
  a, in a, so Townsville where I live is a big Garrison town.
• 24:21
  We've got a huge Army base up here.
• 24:23
  I think it's, it's got about I think 70,000 or something.
• 24:27
  Wow, no, no, that, that, no, that's way bigger because I
• 24:30
  think it's only 70,000 Australia wide.
• 24:32
  But there's a big exercise going on up here at the moment and we
• 24:37
  went to, so rugby league is probably the big sport over
• 24:40
  here. And we went to a cow always
• 24:42
  game. We've got the North Queensland
• 24:43
  Cowboys, who's our team up here. And we were walking there the
• 24:47
  other day on Saturday night and in front of us a guy turned
• 24:51
  around. He said, are you guys, do you
• 24:53
  guys support the Tigers who we were playing and and I said, you
• 24:58
  know, I wouldn't be wearing this shirt if I did.
• 24:59
  He'd go And then he started talking and he was American.
• 25:02
  He was over here on exercise. And yeah, there was a bunch of
• 25:06
  them going to going to the rugby league game for imagine the
• 25:10
  first time. Now Speaking of rugby, because
• 25:13
  I, I, I spy with my little eye behind you, there's, I don't
• 25:16
  want to say footballs because I don't think that's what they're
• 25:18
  called in rugby, right? Actually in a in a in Australia
• 25:22
  it is called football. I call it football.
• 25:24
  OK, so you have two footballs behind you then?
• 25:26
  I'm assuming are from rugby so expand.
• 25:30
  OK, so so there's two games, there's rugby union and rugby
• 25:33
  league. Rugby union is is generally
• 25:37
  called rugby and league is generally called footy.
• 25:41
  They are slightly different games.
• 25:43
  League has league has 13 people on the field at once, where like
• 25:49
  13 people in a team, whereas union has 15 and union union has
• 25:55
  a a much more sort of upper class history compared to
• 25:58
  league. League was the you know, the
• 26:00
  work, the workers or the lower class game, But it's definitely
• 26:04
  the on on the northern coast. It's it's the biggest game and
• 26:09
  in the in victory, Victoria and the southern states, it's what's
• 26:14
  called AFL or Australian rules footy, football and AFL.
• 26:19
  Other people who don't like it just call it aerial ping pong
• 26:22
  because you just see it all similar shape to this, just
• 26:25
  going back and forth over a field that's nearly 200 meters
• 26:28
  long. That's.
• 26:30
  Awesome, So so so do you play rugby?
• 26:34
  No, I, I was a soccer player coming from England.
• 26:37
  So I, I played one game in my life, didn't know where to
• 26:41
  stand, didn't know what to do. I was just told I, I think I was
• 26:45
  13 or 12. And they just said you're big,
• 26:48
  you're in the front row and yeah, go do stuff.
• 26:53
  I just didn't have a clue what I was doing.
• 26:56
  So and, and it's for those that haven't seen rugby league, we
• 27:02
  don't wear any protection. No, some somewhere a little
• 27:06
  headgear. And that's purely to stop cuts.
• 27:08
  It doesn't stop any concussions or anything like that.
• 27:11
  It it stops lacerations. So yeah, it's a pretty brutal
• 27:14
  sport, but I love watching it. Oh yeah, I've I've.
• 27:18
  Seen a lot of. It too.
• 27:19
  Yeah, it's definitely it's yeah, you know, it.
• 27:22
  It makes the NFL that in, in in America look like, you know,
• 27:25
  even more Patsy Cake, flag football.
• 27:28
  Oh, don't, don't hit me. Oh, I'm a quarterback.
• 27:32
  Don't touch me. Don't you know, like we should
• 27:35
  send all the American football? So for the last couple of years
• 27:37
  and including next year, the NRL, which is the main, the main
• 27:41
  body like your NFL, the NRL, they, they actually do the
• 27:45
  season launch in Vegas and they take, they do a couple of games
• 27:49
  over in Vegas in February. Right on.
• 27:54
  OK, let me ask you this because I've been sitting here trying to
• 27:58
  rack my brain and I know you're going to cringe if unless you're
• 28:03
  a fan of their band. Other than Men At Work, give me
• 28:07
  a couple other Australian bands that I'm overlooking because
• 28:11
  Chris and I have been musicians midnight entire lives.
• 28:14
  Oh, midnight oil. ACDC.
• 28:17
  Oh yes, ACDC man. Mike, you're going go to your
• 28:21
  room. Go to your room, Mike.
• 28:22
  Just go to your room man. Chris is going to finish the
• 28:25
  rest of the podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
• 28:28
  In excess. In Oh, I just loved in excess,
• 28:31
  Michael Hutchinson, Brilliant man, Brilliant.
• 28:35
  He was just like the the he kind of like.
• 28:38
  That man, I'm not. Going to pay and I'm not
• 28:40
  comparing us to Michael Hutchinsons intersex, but but
• 28:43
  Mike and I had that kind of same vibe that Michael had with the
• 28:46
  the members of INXS where they would come to him.
• 28:48
  Here's the song we put together. Then Michael would open up his
• 28:51
  notebook and be like, OK, this song fits perfectly.
• 28:53
  Here you go. Done.
• 28:54
  I'll I'll tell you real quick how I got to get a.
• 28:58
  I thought you were going to say you were into the erotic
• 29:00
  asphyxiation. No, not at all.
• 29:02
  No, I'll tell you how I got to be a fan of their band was when
• 29:06
  I was in college. I was trying to put a band
• 29:08
  together just to have something to do.
• 29:10
  And the drummer in that band was the biggest in excess fan I had
• 29:14
  ever met in my life. And I just thought it was weird
• 29:17
  because we were forming a Hard Rock band, right?
• 29:20
  Yeah. Until I started trying to learn
• 29:23
  their music and I was like, OK, I get it now.
• 29:25
  They had some of the coolest beats and melodies and just the
• 29:30
  musicianship along with his songwriting, outstanding.
• 29:34
  I I was like, OK, I get it now. And Chris is right.
• 29:38
  We had that same kind of relationship where we all played
• 29:40
  off each other. Yeah.
• 29:43
  Yeah, we're very, very American influenced in our in our music
• 29:47
  as well now. You guys ruled the Rock'n'roll
• 29:49
  world, man. ACDC.
• 29:51
  How did I overlook that? One I know that's that's
• 29:53
  disappointing. Like all of our all of our
• 29:55
  viewers are like, wait, Mike's a decision and he forgot what they
• 29:58
  should do. OK.
• 29:59
  And we got we got Apple, right? We have a really good habit of
• 30:03
  if they're from New Zealand as well, if they've if they've been
• 30:05
  to Australia, we claim them as ours.
• 30:08
  Where's where's New Zealand in relation to Australia?
• 30:11
  I'm terrible at geography's better.
• 30:12
  Just it's about a two hours flight S to the sort of
• 30:15
  southwest, so bottom right. Yeah, OK.
• 30:19
  So you, they're basically like, they're our brothers and
• 30:22
  sisters. You know, we're very close bonds
• 30:25
  from what we call the Anzacs, which is the Australian and New
• 30:27
  Zealand Army Corps. So Gallipoli and in World War
• 30:31
  One and all that sort of stuff. So we're, you know, that we, we,
• 30:34
  we've got that relationship with New Zealand where we all like to
• 30:38
  give shit to each other. We'd all die for each other.
• 30:41
  Right now, that's cool. Now New Zealand, their claim to
• 30:45
  fame is the Lord of the Rings movies, right?
• 30:49
  Yep, that's where they were. That's where they were made for
• 30:51
  sure. Them and sheep shagging, that's
• 30:52
  what. That's their other claim for
• 30:53
  fame. Gotcha.
• 30:56
  So now you married, kids, family.
• 30:59
  Yep. Wife, two kids, the eldest is
• 31:02
  22. She just moved out with the
• 31:04
  boyfriend a couple of weeks ago. So big step.
• 31:08
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 31:10
  And it's it's, it's been difficult actually last couple
• 31:12
  of years because I've been off work.
• 31:14
  Like I said, I worked, I worked away.
• 31:17
  I did my week on week off. And then, yeah, I got, excuse
• 31:21
  me, I got attacked at work and developed PTSD and I've been off
• 31:25
  work for two years still. Attacked at your paramedic job?
• 31:31
  Yeah, yeah. I had a guy on ice attacked me,
• 31:36
  a solo officer at 2:00 in the morning, pitch black.
• 31:39
  And yeah, he basically tried to kill me.
• 31:41
  And yeah, it was one of those. But what it did is, is although
• 31:46
  I wasn't physically hurt from that attack, but we in first
• 31:51
  responders and same as military, you get really good at siloing
• 31:55
  memories. You know, you kind of deal with
• 31:57
  it, put it to the back. But what this did was basically
• 32:00
  joined all those solos off and let the lid open slightly.
• 32:03
  So all these memories that you thought you'd forgotten just
• 32:07
  came back and then. And then they come back at the
• 32:12
  worst times. Or just like, it could be
• 32:15
  something on TV. It can be geography, You know,
• 32:17
  you can be driving past somewhere.
• 32:19
  Yeah, I went to that. And then you get these vivid
• 32:22
  memories of a scene. Most of the time they're
• 32:25
  unpleasant. We we see things that human
• 32:31
  beings shouldn't see. Yeah.
• 32:33
  And and that's the nature of the job we get.
• 32:34
  We get into that knowing that that's going to how it's going
• 32:37
  to be. And but, but, but but before
• 32:39
  you, before you go further. But do you really get into it
• 32:42
  knowing in your mind all the absolutely death and the
• 32:46
  structure you're going to see? I don't.
• 32:47
  Think you could could? Right.
• 32:48
  Or are you getting into it because like, my son wants to be
• 32:51
  a firefighter when he gets out of the military service and, and
• 32:54
  we look at that as he's such an impact because he feels what
• 32:57
  everybody else feels. Yeah, look, I, I got into, I'll,
• 33:02
  I'll tell you how I got into it. I used to work at a cinema
• 33:06
  complex, 16 screen cinema complex and I was one of the GD
• 33:10
  managers there and we used to get a lot go wrong.
• 33:13
  There was all sorts of, you know, there was seizures, heart
• 33:17
  attacks, fights, stabbings, believe it or not, a couple of
• 33:20
  suicides. In a movie theatre.
• 33:23
  Yep, there we had people jump off the building, we had people
• 33:26
  hanging themselves in the toilet.
• 33:28
  That's not and I used to frot Oh.
• 33:32
  So this is. Routine like.
• 33:34
  You're good, you're good. This is routine.
• 33:36
  Like every weekend this is happening.
• 33:37
  Or every night at the movie theater?
• 33:39
  Or how often? No, but it was, it was, it was
• 33:43
  fairly rare, but it was enough where I thrived on it.
• 33:47
  I that's when I kind of stepped up and and then it became
• 33:51
  between being a police officer and being a being a paramedic.
• 33:55
  And like I said over here, you, you don't join the fire
• 33:59
  department, you join as a paramedic into an ambulance
• 34:02
  service. And yeah, I applied for the and
• 34:09
  it and I joined when it was the in service training.
• 34:12
  So you just did your, all your training in service through your
• 34:16
  whoever your employer and then did a deployment and and I loved
• 34:21
  it. I loved it.
• 34:22
  I, I, I started working at Roma, Roma Street, which is basically
• 34:27
  in, in the heart, the CBD of Brisbane.
• 34:29
  So the heart of New York City, for example, our equivalent.
• 34:34
  So right smack bang in the middle.
• 34:36
  So really busy, really good exposure to lots and lots of
• 34:39
  different types of things, especially drugs.
• 34:43
  Yeah. And then, and then from there,
• 34:46
  I, I, I kind of went out West and, and did a relief stint in a
• 34:51
  smaller place and realized that, you know, you can get a much
• 34:54
  better work life balance when you go out West.
• 34:57
  Gotcha. Yeah, See the the first
• 35:00
  responders here from what I understand and what I know it's
• 35:03
  it's typically a 48 on and like 72 off like you're not.
• 35:08
  But you, you little tutor earlier.
• 35:09
  If you're just joining us, this is Peter.
• 35:11
  We're talking to him. He's from Australia.
• 35:13
  I spent 20 years as a first responder and his typical work
• 35:15
  schedule was 8 days on and six days off to where he was
• 35:18
  consistently on call for 8 consecutive days office hours.
• 35:22
  So because of that, because that kind of like, wow, that's a lot.
• 35:27
  What would be a typical day for you during those eight days
• 35:31
  being being on? So actually though, it was a
• 35:37
  really good time when I when I was there.
• 35:40
  So let's let's for example, say Bach Alden, which was a town of
• 35:45
  about 1500 people. You can Google it.
• 35:48
  It's six hours from Rockhampton. Some people are aware of Long
• 35:52
  Reach. I've heard of Long Reach as an
• 35:55
  Outback place and it's about an hour an hour from there.
• 35:58
  It in those eight days, one might do 10 actual jobs where
• 36:06
  you're going to patients, so it's not overly busy.
• 36:09
  There are others that you'd be doing 40 in that stint.
• 36:12
  It really varies, but but on an average I'd do about 10.
• 36:16
  I think my busiest week would have been in those eight days
• 36:20
  would have been maybe 30-40 jobs, and my quietest would have
• 36:23
  been one. You get to take your kid to
• 36:27
  school, you get to pick them up from school, you get to go and
• 36:30
  do whatever as long as your phone's on, you drive an
• 36:33
  ambulance everywhere, you're always available.
• 36:36
  You can pretty much do whatever you want to do.
• 36:40
  You know, we could go swimming. You could do.
• 36:43
  So if I went for a swim, if we went to the local council pool,
• 36:46
  I'd give the pool operator my phone and if it rang, they, they
• 36:50
  would answer it and come over and give it to me.
• 36:52
  And then I'd get out and I'd go to a job.
• 36:54
  And depending on the job is whether I turned out with with
• 36:57
  dripping wet shorts or or got dried and changed and you know.
• 37:04
  So your company card was the ambulance?
• 37:07
  Absolutely. Yep, my kids were.
• 37:09
  Crazy. With me taking them to school in
• 37:11
  an ambulance in a fully fledged. Ambulance.
• 37:13
  Oh, that's fun. Did they get the novel Siren on
• 37:15
  every day? Yep, they didn't They they were
• 37:19
  so blase about it. So when we moved to Townsville
• 37:23
  with, you know, with the kindies and stuff where you often take
• 37:26
  the ambulance into kindy visits and that type of thing, they
• 37:30
  just, they didn't care. Like they all the other kids
• 37:33
  that thought it was awesome and they were like, yeah, that's
• 37:35
  just a normal vehicle. It's like I.
• 37:37
  Killed my dad drives. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:41
  That's really. Cool.
• 37:42
  So in Australia the the steering wheels on the on the right side
• 37:45
  of the vehicle, right do you guys?
• 37:48
  Yeah, we and we drive. We drive on the left.
• 37:50
  OK, that's what I say. So it's it's kind of like
• 37:51
  England, which is makes sense because England settled
• 37:54
  Australia, correct? Yep.
• 37:57
  That's right. That's right.
• 37:59
  And and yeah, we use the metric system.
• 38:00
  I think you guys are pretty much the only ones that.
• 38:03
  You're the only ones that don't, man.
• 38:06
  Let me let me give you a piece of history.
• 38:08
  I'm not. Peter might know this.
• 38:09
  Chris, this is going to blow your mind.
• 38:11
  OK, OK. Do you know why they drive on
• 38:13
  the left hand side of the road? To get there faster.
• 38:16
  No, OK, because when people wrote, All right, I'm going to
• 38:21
  teach everybody something here. Ladies and gentlemen, it's
• 38:23
  history with Mike. Because when people rode horses,
• 38:28
  only 2% of the population is left-handed.
• 38:31
  So you wanted your sword hand, You wanted to be on the left
• 38:35
  hand side, so the people coming at you were at your sword hand,
• 38:39
  Yes. Interesting.
• 38:40
  By the time we got to America, we were like, whatever, fuck
• 38:44
  that, we're going to do it our own way.
• 38:46
  I'm not sure how that happened because we were still riding
• 38:48
  horses, but. Speaking of lefties, little
• 38:51
  man's left-handed. My grandson, which we're like,
• 38:53
  he's 2. Percent of the population.
• 38:55
  Which explains why he hated baseball because we were trying
• 38:57
  to think he's right-handed, that he hated football because he was
• 39:00
  left-handed. And we were, you know, and then
• 39:02
  when he was Nikki's, my wife's a teacher, Peter, so she works
• 39:05
  with him on stuff. And about a month and a half
• 39:08
  ago, we gave him something to write and he was struggling with
• 39:11
  the right hand and then came back till later picked it up
• 39:13
  with his left hand. It was like, what?
• 39:16
  What is this? And it's 10%.
• 39:18
  He's left-handed, so it's crazy. That's a big difference between
• 39:22
  2:00 and 10:00, yeah. Huge, man.
• 39:25
  I'm 2%. I have green eyes, so I knew it
• 39:28
  was one or the other. Yeah.
• 39:30
  It's only 2% of the population have green eyes.
• 39:32
  Yeah. What about you, Peter?
• 39:33
  What color are your eyes? Mine are like a brownie Hazel.
• 39:38
  Brownie Hazel. OK.
• 39:39
  What's the, what's the percentage of that one, Mike?
• 39:41
  Very common I'm I'm technologically advanced, I got
• 39:46
  green eyes, and I'm allergic to milk.
• 39:48
  There you go. So here's another fun question,
• 39:50
  and this is this. Is this this stupid American
• 39:52
  enemy? Did Outback Steakhouse originate
• 39:54
  from Australia or is that just an American made-up nonsense?
• 39:57
  I. Think it's I think it's American
• 40:02
  made-up nonsense. Yeah, but I, I don't know it's
• 40:07
  the name is familiar, but I don't know if it's from movies,
• 40:11
  you know, seeing it on movies or whether I've actually seen it.
• 40:14
  It's. Probably movies.
• 40:15
  What's your biggest? Well, here's here's another fun
• 40:17
  fact that you guys probably don't know.
• 40:18
  So you guys have Burger King over here and when they when
• 40:21
  they brought it over, that name was taken already.
• 40:25
  So our Burger King is called Hungry Jacks.
• 40:28
  Hungry Jacks. I did not know that.
• 40:31
  Now let's talk food. So like American food's
• 40:34
  terrible. Like I just learned that Ritz
• 40:36
  crackers are one of the worst things you can put in your body.
• 40:38
  And I've, I've ingested Ritz crackers since I was like 5
• 40:41
  years old. So my wife and I are about a
• 40:44
  month and now we've gotten rid of all the bad starches, all the
• 40:46
  breads, all the enriched flowers and things like that.
• 40:49
  Sunday we did decide what the hell, let's have some pizza and,
• 40:52
  and like just been paying for it for days with the inflammation
• 40:55
  and the spine and all that kind of jazz.
• 40:56
  So it's like, OK, definitely can't go back to this at all.
• 41:01
  So the food in Australia is, I mean, you've never probably been
• 41:05
  to America, which you probably can't, can't compare the two.
• 41:08
  But but we've heard Mike and I have heard from people we've
• 41:10
  been on and the things that he watches and listens to podcast
• 41:13
  wise, as do I, that American food is so terrible.
• 41:16
  But everybody else, everywhere else in the world, the food is
• 41:19
  so much better because how it's it's not processed like we
• 41:21
  process food and put all the nonsense and shit in it is that
• 41:25
  is that I mean. Yeah.
• 41:26
  Do you guys ban all the like dyes?
• 41:29
  And I would love to say I. Would love to say yes, but no,
• 41:34
  no, we, we, yeah, our diet is, is very poor as well.
• 41:39
  Diabetes is on the way up and all that sort of stuff.
• 41:43
  We, we are very, we are very mishmashed with different
• 41:48
  cultures. We're, we're a very
• 41:49
  multicultural country. So we do have a lot of Asian
• 41:52
  influences and that sort of thing.
• 41:54
  So our food is a bit of everything and there are,
• 41:58
  there's a lot of indigenous Tucker, what they call the, the
• 42:02
  slang for food over here is Tucker.
• 42:04
  There's a lot of Indigenous Tucker that happens.
• 42:06
  And there's more and more restaurants that are
• 42:08
  specializing in that, where they'll use berries and stuff
• 42:13
  grown in places that, you know, you don't go to the supermarket
• 42:17
  and buy these sort sort of things.
• 42:18
  So yeah, explain what that is. What is Tucker?
• 42:22
  Tucker's just food. Tucker's just, we're a, we're a
• 42:26
  mad country of lingo. Everything is shortened or has a
• 42:30
  has a, has a lingo for it. So afternoon is arvo, arvo you.
• 42:36
  Know like a. Petrol station or a gas station
• 42:39
  that you call them. We call it a servo A.
• 42:42
  Servo OK if I look like BBQ with Barbie.
• 42:46
  Yep. So that's true American.
• 42:48
  Barbecue is very much infiltrating over here.
• 42:51
  It's becoming big. Smoking meat, that type of
• 42:54
  thing. That's that's becoming quite a
• 42:55
  big scene. You know, all the stuff that
• 42:57
  used to be cheap is no longer cheap.
• 43:01
  Now. Used to be able to get all your
• 43:03
  cheap cuts, yeah. Now, do you guys eat kangaroo?
• 43:07
  Like, is that a delicacy? Yes, OK, yes and it's.
• 43:10
  Actually one of the leanest, highest protein meats you can
• 43:13
  get. Really.
• 43:14
  It is extremely good for you. It's a very strong flavor and
• 43:18
  it's quite gamey. There is a lot of people that
• 43:20
  don't like it. We make most of it when we do a
• 43:24
  bolognaise. We make it with generally with
• 43:26
  kangaroo mints. It's lower fat.
• 43:29
  Yeah, it's got like 1% fat. So now that's something you
• 43:32
  could buy at like the supermarket there.
• 43:35
  Yeah, it's it's it probably takes up 1% of the entire meat
• 43:39
  department compared to your chicken and lamb and that sort
• 43:42
  of thing. So it's not common.
• 43:46
  Yeah, it's it's one of those. I think we're the only country
• 43:49
  that eats the food that's on our coat of arms.
• 43:56
  We're not allowed to even touch the American eagle.
• 43:58
  Like if you like, if you if you have a feather in Alaska and you
• 44:00
  pick it up and it's an eagle feather and you try to go home
• 44:03
  with it, you get shut down like it's that well protected animal.
• 44:07
  So yeah, we wouldn't yeah, we wouldn't be eating the American
• 44:10
  eagle. But so so because you guys.
• 44:12
  Savage. Yeah, so because you guys can
• 44:14
  eat the Kangaroos. If you have a kangaroo in your
• 44:15
  backyard, you can you just shoot it, skin it and process it and
• 44:18
  have it for dinner. They don't have a gun.
• 44:21
  No, there are. You you need.
• 44:23
  To do all that sort of stuff. And there's a lot of, they do
• 44:28
  have parasite issues. A lot of most, most Kangaroos
• 44:32
  die in suburbia from getting hit by cars.
• 44:35
  They're some of the dumbest animals.
• 44:37
  You know, they'll, they'll be laying, they'll be standing next
• 44:39
  to 20 of their dead mates and they'll be like, and then
• 44:42
  they'll try and run in front of you, but then they'll stop, try
• 44:46
  and turn around, but they'll skid and then you'll hit them.
• 44:51
  And then you do get a lot of people that when they do hit a
• 44:53
  kangaroo, they carry their, they carry their young, their joeys
• 44:58
  in their pouches. And often if they're if they're
• 45:01
  females, they'll often have a Joey.
• 45:03
  They nearly always have a Joey in their pouch.
• 45:06
  And then they keep one kind of incubated until that one moves
• 45:10
  out really they'll start growing this next one.
• 45:13
  Yeah, that that's my understanding.
• 45:15
  I'm not any any in any way. We're going to hold you to that.
• 45:17
  You heard it here first from Peter in Australia.
• 45:20
  OK, Kangaroos incubate. Why?
• 45:22
  They have one growing and then that one leaves and one pops
• 45:25
  back up. That one leaves, pops back up.
• 45:26
  It's a non ending cycle, like Jack rabbits in the desert.
• 45:32
  They are huge when they are in the in the pouch.
• 45:35
  Like they'll stay in their pouch until their legs and their arms
• 45:38
  don't fit. Wow.
• 45:40
  It's yeah, you can, you can have it.
• 45:42
  Have a look at it. And and some, some Kangaroos are
• 45:45
  massive and a lot of them are very small.
• 45:48
  So the average one that you'll see on the side of the road
• 45:51
  nowadays, what we call Wallabies, they're a smaller
• 45:56
  thing. They might be in your in your
• 45:58
  lingo. Foot, foot and 1/2.
• 46:00
  High. Oh, OK.
• 46:02
  Or you can get red. Red Kangaroos are probably
• 46:06
  standing up 910 feet high. Wow.
• 46:10
  They'll kick your ass. Wow.
• 46:13
  Shit, yeah. They're the ones that you see.
• 46:14
  They look like they've been doing steroids.
• 46:16
  I don't know if you've seen it, where they come across their
• 46:19
  arms. They got pecks bigger than Arnie
• 46:20
  Schwarzenegger and it's. I had to look them up on
• 46:24
  YouTube. I listened to a podcast where
• 46:26
  they were talking about these Kangaroos.
• 46:28
  A guy had taken a trip to the Outback and he said, you can't
• 46:31
  even imagine. You have to see it with your own
• 46:33
  eyes. So I looked it up on YouTube and
• 46:35
  I know it doesn't do it, you know, give you the perspective.
• 46:38
  But Amanda, they're ripped. That's crazy.
• 46:42
  They. Look like they've been lifting
• 46:43
  weights for 10 years. So they look like.
• 46:47
  They've been doing steroids. They they sit on their back tail
• 46:49
  and they just stand up and it's all about just intimidation.
• 46:52
  That's how they they win their fights.
• 46:54
  Let's talk animals. Let's talk species and insects
• 46:57
  and stuff because over here we we.
• 46:58
  I got to know about the koala bear.
• 47:00
  Yeah, well, we hear, we hear, we hear a lot of things and I just
• 47:04
  want to like we've heard this like I saw something on Facebook
• 47:07
  within the last month where it was spider season in Australia
• 47:11
  and there's and face, right. And they cause the caption was,
• 47:14
  no, it's not snow. It's spider season in Australia.
• 47:17
  And it it looked like blankets of snow, but it was webs.
• 47:20
  But because AI is what it is now.
• 47:22
  Is that legit or is that made-up?
• 47:25
  That's legit. But I don't know if it's
• 47:28
  Australian. I've seen that one and I don't
• 47:31
  know if it's Australian. I thought that might have been
• 47:33
  in some cotton fields or something.
• 47:34
  I can't remember. I have seen that same, same
• 47:37
  thing and I've seen it where they they set it alight and all
• 47:40
  the lot, all the the webs burn up and yeah, I don't, I don't
• 47:46
  think there is a spider season. It's pretty much always spider
• 47:49
  season. There's.
• 47:50
  OK, let me ask you this. There's another famous meme that
• 47:55
  has gone around Facebook forever, Instagram as well,
• 47:58
  where there's this gigantic, I think it's a Huntsman spider
• 48:03
  like the mother, and then there's just a million babies
• 48:06
  around her. It's underneath a bed.
• 48:09
  I think everybody's seen this picture.
• 48:10
  Is that legit? Yes it is.
• 48:14
  Yes, it is. I would burn that house down.
• 48:17
  So, so let me tell you about my first experience with a Huntsman
• 48:20
  spiders because I I came from England and we, we call, I don't
• 48:25
  know what you guys call them daddy long legs.
• 48:27
  The really tiny ones with cricket.
• 48:29
  Yep, Yep. So that was pretty much my my
• 48:31
  experience with spiders was Daddy long legs and I came over
• 48:34
  here and I've heard about these Huntsman spiders and they jump.
• 48:39
  Oh my God. So the first time I've got 2-2
• 48:43
  to tell you about the first time I ever saw one, we didn't know
• 48:46
  how far they jumped, so I didn't know if they jump across the
• 48:50
  entire route or, you know, an inch.
• 48:53
  I got to know how far. There's me and my dad.
• 48:55
  There's me and my dad with a 14 foot fishing pole just kind of
• 49:00
  prodding this thing, you know, as brain blokes.
• 49:03
  And yeah, they, they run. They run everywhere.
• 49:06
  They they do bite, but then they're not venomous, OK, But
• 49:12
  they do, they do hurt. So this one time I was getting
• 49:15
  out of the shower and I put on my towel and I felt something on
• 49:20
  the back. Of my Oh my God.
• 49:21
  Like just above the the towel and I turned around and I had a
• 49:26
  Huntsman on me and it no shit it was the IT was the size of my
• 49:30
  palm. Oh my God.
• 49:32
  Lift your palm. Lift your.
• 49:32
  Lift your palm up. Lift your palm up so people can
• 49:35
  see it. Lift your palm up.
• 49:36
  OK, OK, so it. Was it was it would it would
• 49:40
  have been two, maybe two 2 1/2 inches across. 2 1/2 inches
• 49:45
  spider a hunt for spiders out and it bit you.
• 49:48
  Well, this thing, I felt every leg and it walked.
• 49:51
  It didn't run. It walked into the middle of my
• 49:54
  shoulder blades. It stopped.
• 49:57
  It turned around and it slowly walked down.
• 50:00
  Oh my God. And I tell you what, when when
• 50:03
  it reached the towel, the towel went flying and I was running
• 50:07
  around like an epileptic tail. How old were you at this time,
• 50:11
  12/13? Probably 14 at that time, OK, I
• 50:16
  was, I was almost ready to run, to swim back to England.
• 50:19
  OK, so Huntsman spiders are real and they're 2 1/2 inches in
• 50:22
  diameter. Yeah, they can get bigger.
• 50:25
  So I I was at a friend's barbecue and we, we, there was a
• 50:30
  large spider that went across the table and he put a ice cream
• 50:34
  container, an empty ice cream container on the on top of it.
• 50:38
  OK. And all you could see was this
• 50:40
  ice cream container lifting off the ground as this spider
• 50:44
  jumped. You don't like?
• 50:47
  Spiders, Peter. No, I I'm not a fan or at all.
• 50:52
  At all, and especially when they're big enough to have a
• 50:54
  conversation with you. Yeah, and if they've got to get
• 50:58
  up and brush their hair in the morning and you can have eye,
• 51:00
  eye contact, I'm just. That's not right.
• 51:03
  It's not my thing. And, and they're just prevalent
• 51:05
  everywhere as well as just certain parts of.
• 51:07
  Australia everywhere. Another very, very everywhere.
• 51:10
  And they're indoor. They're an indoor spider, so you
• 51:12
  also find them indoors the the one.
• 51:17
  But like I said, the good thing about them is they're not,
• 51:19
  they're not considered venomous. The the funnel web and the red
• 51:24
  back. They're they're probably your
• 51:26
  two that you worry about. Don't forget your second
• 51:29
  Huntsman story. I want to hear that.
• 51:30
  Yeah, yeah. You had two, you had two
• 51:33
  Huntsman stories. That was both of them, so one of
• 51:34
  us was prodding it with the fishing.
• 51:36
  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:37
  Climbing on, yeah, OK, but you always check your shoes out and
• 51:41
  that sort of thing before you put them on.
• 51:43
  So Chris is. Familiar with that because
• 51:45
  they're scorpions and scorpions. Owner, right?
• 51:47
  Right. But.
• 51:48
  We did the same thing. Scorpions.
• 51:50
  Over here as well, yeah. And they're been, they're
• 51:52
  bigger, right? They're like 6 inches.
• 51:54
  They're like a foot long. You're scorpions.
• 51:56
  Because everything seems to masturize.
• 51:57
  The only one I've seen, the only one I've seen here was probably
• 52:01
  about an inch. It's long and it was in my inner
• 52:04
  Landry. I was just laying down watching
• 52:06
  TV with my foot on the ground. I was like lying on the couch,
• 52:09
  foot on the ground. And and my girlfriend at the
• 52:11
  time, she just so casually painted as a scorpion next to
• 52:14
  your foot. I'm like, what?
• 52:16
  And then I had a look and it was only shit myself because I'd
• 52:19
  never seen one before. Yeah, don't ever be that calm
• 52:22
  again when you tell me that woman.
• 52:25
  Peter, Peter, honey, darling, there's a scorpion down by your
• 52:28
  foot. I just wanted you to know.
• 52:32
  Thank you, love. Yeah, the red back spiders, the
• 52:34
  red back spiders are are are venomous spider.
• 52:37
  And they're like they're in the populated areas where you live.
• 52:41
  They are very much so they, they kind of live in their webs are
• 52:47
  just this messy kind of gooey and they, they're often in
• 52:51
  corners and, and areas that you just kind of know where they're
• 52:55
  going to be. Now how big are they?
• 52:58
  A large mile would be less than a centimeter.
• 53:03
  OK, oh still it's still, but still, if it has a red back, you
• 53:07
  want to kill it. Yeah, we tend to leave them
• 53:10
  because they, they kill other pests.
• 53:12
  OK, so, and that's the thing, you know, it's a, it's a bit of
• 53:16
  a delicate thing like Huntsman's.
• 53:18
  I hate them with a passion, but they kill a lot of the the flies
• 53:22
  and the mozzies and stuff like that.
• 53:24
  So they all have all kind of have a role to play.
• 53:27
  So we try, I try and live, live and live.
• 53:31
  But you know, there's definitely times when you're like, yeah,
• 53:34
  yeah, snakes are another big issue there.
• 53:38
  We, I think we've got something like 9 of the top 10 most
• 53:41
  venomous snakes, venomous snakes over here.
• 53:43
  OK so we have 2 1/2 to 3 inch spiders that aren't venomous but
• 53:47
  they will bite you. Then you have the red back
• 53:49
  spider which will kill you. Then you have 9 out of the 10
• 53:52
  most venomous snakes in the world in Australia.
• 53:55
  Yeah, pretty much anything over here wants to kill you.
• 53:58
  OK, OK. And Mike, you really want to go
• 54:00
  to Australia? Oh, I'm reevaluating.
• 54:04
  Yeah. Do they fumigate the hotels?
• 54:07
  Yeah, so. If we go to the if we go to the
• 54:10
  beach here, OK, we actually have netted off areas because they're
• 54:17
  you can choose what kills you. If you go for a swim in the
• 54:20
  ocean, there's crocodiles, there's sharks and there's
• 54:24
  jellyfish. Don't you guys have the
• 54:26
  deadliest jellyfish? Yeah, they box jellyfish, Yes.
• 54:30
  I watch a lot of nature documentaries.
• 54:32
  Yeah, yeah. So as paramedics, we carry the
• 54:36
  anti venom for boxed jellyfish. It is an extremely painful,
• 54:43
  very, very deadly. And what happens with them?
• 54:46
  And that's the one that a lot of people hear about.
• 54:49
  Vinegar is used as the antidote. So, So what vinegar does that
• 54:54
  most people don't realize vinegar doesn't stop the pain or
• 54:59
  doesn't stop the venom. That's all.
• 55:00
  It's not an antidote. What it does is it neutralize
• 55:04
  neutralizes the tentacles that are still on you from injecting
• 55:07
  more into you. So myself you're getting.
• 55:10
  More in Venom. Yeah, years.
• 55:12
  When I, when my son, I think was 7 or 8 years old, we went to
• 55:15
  Mexico with a whole, a whole group of neighbors and we were,
• 55:18
  he and I were just kind of in the in on the beach, in the
• 55:21
  waves. The waves were coming up, you
• 55:22
  know, to my shins type thing. He got a little deeper into the
• 55:26
  water, you know, and I was following him and, and then it,
• 55:29
  it felt like electric, but it felt I was equating it to just
• 55:32
  the sea salt hitting my shins, right.
• 55:35
  OK, so then, so then my son, I'm looking at him and he just has
• 55:40
  this look on his face and then just starts screaming like, holy
• 55:43
  shit. Like you think that Jaws is
• 55:44
  underneath him taking half his body, right.
• 55:46
  And I reached down and grab him, lift him up by underneath his
• 55:49
  armpits and just jellyfish had wrapped around the core of his,
• 55:52
  his like from his chest down. And he was just just blood
• 55:57
  curling, screaming that I obviously pulled him out.
• 56:00
  And and then the the, the Mexican police came down and
• 56:04
  like you said, vinegar. So there's they got Windex and
• 56:06
  shit because they don't have vinegar packets.
• 56:08
  So they're pouring Windex because it's an American, it's
• 56:11
  an American resort. So obviously they're like, you
• 56:13
  know, flies on. So they're pouring all it's on.
• 56:16
  He's screaming. I had one on my It was it was to
• 56:20
  the point that that it took him years to go back in the ocean.
• 56:24
  It took him probably 6 or 7 hours just.
• 56:26
  I can't believe he ever. Did drama of that?
• 56:28
  You know what I mean? Like I won't, I don't.
• 56:29
  I just stepped on one and I'm not crazy about going.
• 56:32
  No, and I'm saying I'm not a big fan of the ocean.
• 56:33
  You like I'll, I'll sit on the beach and watch it.
• 56:35
  You know, Nikki's got me to go on cruises now where we're
• 56:37
  floating on top of it. But I'm, I'm not, I'm not going
• 56:40
  to go see. Now the difference is, you know,
• 56:43
  poor Jake, he had it way worse than I did, but I still ended up
• 56:47
  with two holes in the bottom of my foot for years.
• 56:50
  Wow. Like there were, they were just
• 56:52
  there. It took forever for those things
• 56:54
  to go away. But in Peter's case, we step on
• 56:58
  a box jellyfish and you and I aren't tell if that happened to
• 57:01
  Jake in Australia, He's dead. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Yeah, yeah, the. Trouble with the box jellyfish
• 57:05
  is their tentacles. Could be they can be sort of
• 57:08
  ten, I think they can be longer than 10 feet.
• 57:11
  I think they can be 1520 feet long.
• 57:12
  And yeah, so and yeah, there, there's been quite a few deaths
• 57:18
  from, from those. They just cause so much cardio
• 57:22
  respiratory issues and and pain that and, and kids, kids die
• 57:28
  from that as well. So, and then the other one, the
• 57:31
  other jellyfish that causes issues is 1 called Irakanji.
• 57:35
  Irakanji is about the size of your thumbnail, so it's really
• 57:38
  small and you won't actually feel it sting you.
• 57:42
  But about half an hour later, you develop what we call
• 57:45
  Irikangi syndrome, and it's a pain like a parent never had it.
• 57:49
  I have a colleague who has had it and says it's a pain like
• 57:52
  you've never felt. It's a back pain that you can
• 57:55
  have as much fentanyl, morphine, whatever you want.
• 57:58
  You can have as much of that as you want.
• 58:00
  It won't touch the sides. It needs magnesium.
• 58:03
  The magnesium is is the antidote for that.
• 58:06
  So these little. Tiny jellyfish are just floating
• 58:09
  along next to you and they just latch on sting and you're out
• 58:14
  there swimming, having a good time, and this thing the size of
• 58:16
  your thumbnail just jacks you up.
• 58:19
  And The thing is, you've got to remember, jellyfish don't look
• 58:21
  for you. You kind of.
• 58:24
  Have to be yeah, it's the tide that takes them into you.
• 58:27
  So we we have conditions where they won't let you in the water
• 58:31
  and in the sting at what we call the Stinger Nets.
• 58:34
  And up here from from November to May, you're.
• 58:38
  Selling us on Australia, man. Oh shit yeah you are meant to
• 58:42
  wear full body. Suits when?
• 58:44
  You go in the water during Stinger season because if they
• 58:46
  can't contact your skin they don't sting you.
• 58:48
  OK, so my question is, why doesn't the Department of
• 58:51
  Tourism? For Australia, have all this
• 58:52
  listed as reasons come and come to Australia if you can do like
• 58:57
  Fear Factor really should just be Australia.
• 59:00
  Remember the show Fear Factor? It's Australia, the Australian
• 59:03
  version of Fear Factor. In Australia we'll give you 2
• 59:06
  weeks for free. Like, that's just insane.
• 59:08
  It's insanity. So we've, we've, I guess we, we
• 59:12
  grow up with it. So it's such a.
• 59:14
  Normal part of life, you know, and, and most of the time when
• 59:18
  people are taken by crocodiles or when you know, you're in
• 59:22
  their territory, crocodiles generally they're stalkers so
• 59:29
  that you've generally done something probably not so smart
• 59:33
  to get taken by a crocodile. And we get big Crocs, like 5
• 59:36
  metres long. I've, I've seen many myself.
• 59:40
  I, I, I'm an avid fisherman, love fishing and you see
• 59:43
  crocodiles all the time. You just stay away from, you
• 59:48
  know, you can see where they're going to be.
• 59:50
  You don't fish on the bank and you, you, you know, you go past
• 59:54
  on the boat and people will be waist deep throwing A and you're
• 59:58
  like, you are just mad now. So boat you're talking, is it a
• 1:00:02
  motorized boat or you're just like?
• 1:00:03
  In a rowboat? No.
• 1:00:05
  A motorized boat. I've got what we call.
• 1:00:07
  A tinny yeah. So 100 horsepower on the back.
• 1:00:11
  Okay, Kind of like what Gilligan's Allen had S s minnow
• 1:00:13
  something like. That you know, I'm just I'm just
• 1:00:16
  for relation of size because I don't I don't you know, I just I
• 1:00:19
  like to I like to when people were talking with the No 10 feet
• 1:00:22
  pretty small. I liked I like to get Yeah
• 1:00:24
  mines. About a 15 foot a.
• 1:00:26
  Mines about a 15 foot. Hilligans Island boat would have
• 1:00:29
  been like a 3040 foot boat. Yeah, well, I was, I was.
• 1:00:32
  So I was just trying to get a bearing of the.
• 1:00:33
  Size of it so people people can understand because when people
• 1:00:36
  tell us their stories and stuff, it's I like to paint a little
• 1:00:38
  bit more detailed pictures so they get a well, let me put this
• 1:00:41
  into perspective for you. OK, nobody.
• 1:00:43
  Could imagine living in the desert if they didn't have air
• 1:00:45
  conditioning at this point. This is true history right?
• 1:00:48
  You live in a very inhospitable climate for humanity.
• 1:00:53
  I do like you, absolutely. Yes, absolutely.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah. So last year we had a.
• 1:00:59
  We call them cyclones because. And they actually go the
• 1:01:01
  different way to the Hurricanes, so not just the toilets.
• 1:01:05
  So they spin the different way. We had a cyclone last year that
• 1:01:08
  came relatively close to us. OK, let me ask you this real
• 1:01:12
  quick because now I got to know I'm.
• 1:01:14
  Confused already. What's the difference between a
• 1:01:15
  cyclone and a typhoon? Typhoon is.
• 1:01:20
  The Asian version. Oh, it's the same thing, only
• 1:01:24
  the Asian version Cyclone. Hurricanes and typhoons, I
• 1:01:27
  believe. Are exactly the same thing, it's
• 1:01:29
  just where they are. That's just my understanding as
• 1:01:31
  well. OK so the Asian 1 you have sushi
• 1:01:34
  in. It the Australian.
• 1:01:35
  One, you have spiders in it. And then what was the third one?
• 1:01:38
  Yeah, you got Sharknado. Sharknado.
• 1:01:40
  Sharknado. Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Gotcha. Now we understand what's great
• 1:01:45
  we we don't get very many tornadoes.
• 1:01:47
  Over here yeah, I don't either. So the.
• 1:01:50
  Last year we had this cyclone. Go over.
• 1:01:53
  And the heat following it was up there with the worst it so it we
• 1:01:59
  deal in centigrade. I don't know what this is in
• 1:02:01
  Fahrenheit, but it was it was about 45 with a feels like a 58.
• 1:02:08
  That would be a probably 1:20 to. 1:30 if yeah, see, see you
• 1:02:13
  looked at. When July, August come around,
• 1:02:16
  we, we can be, you know, 120 like I, I lived through the
• 1:02:19
  summer where it was 128° with the 1970 Camaro with no air
• 1:02:22
  condition because I just rolled out the windows and went to
• 1:02:24
  work. So, you know, we're not and I'm
• 1:02:27
  allowed to talk about the heat because my wife believes you put
• 1:02:30
  voices on something that all of a sudden it becomes true.
• 1:02:32
  So you can just Google Arizona summers and you'll see what we
• 1:02:37
  deal with from a heat standpoint.
• 1:02:38
  But so I can feel the 120° thing because I've been there, done
• 1:02:41
  that. Oh, it's the same as you.
• 1:02:42
  It's 136. Feels like of 100.
• 1:02:44
  And 36 it feels like of a. 136 and the humidity is what kills
• 1:02:50
  you up here, right? See and.
• 1:02:51
  We. Have monsoon season, so when we
• 1:02:53
  have. The monsoons, that's where
• 1:02:55
  humidity goes through the roof. Like see Arizona is a dry heat,
• 1:02:58
  whereas the Midwest, like I, I was born in Illinois.
• 1:03:00
  Mike lives in Illinois, so it could be it could be 90° in
• 1:03:03
  Illinois with 90% humidity where it could be 120° in Arizona with
• 1:03:06
  10% humidity. I would take what I have opposed
• 1:03:09
  to what he has just because of you know, and most people would.
• 1:03:13
  You can get in the shade and cool down whereas when it's so
• 1:03:15
  humid. It's just disgusting, right?
• 1:03:17
  Exactly. It's kind of like Florida, the
• 1:03:19
  armpit of America. Right.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, that type of thing. So we've been picking your brain
• 1:03:24
  all about Australian stuff. Is there anything you want to
• 1:03:26
  pick our brains about being that we're, you know, these these
• 1:03:29
  Americans? Have you been to America?
• 1:03:31
  Yeah, no. No me and the misses.
• 1:03:34
  Were actually talking about. Next year maybe coming over for
• 1:03:37
  for two weeks and where would you like to go?
• 1:03:40
  What's your ideal spot? I'd like to do.
• 1:03:44
  Something in Florida. I'd love to go to Cape
• 1:03:47
  Canaveral. Cool Vegas and and probably LA
• 1:03:54
  just do a few days kind of thing.
• 1:03:56
  OK, so if you if you do that, I'd love to go to Everglades and
• 1:03:59
  I. Want to do some giant carp on
• 1:04:00
  fishing? Cool if you do if you do this
• 1:04:03
  and you. Plan on coming to Vegas, give me
• 1:04:06
  a heads up and if schedules align my Wi-Fi, I'll pop down
• 1:04:10
  and hang out for a day or two and in the in the strip and that
• 1:04:14
  would be awesome. You can lolligag.
• 1:04:16
  You can lolligag. With two Americans.
• 1:04:19
  We did want to, we did want to go to the the.
• 1:04:21
  NRL launch because. My team's over there in
• 1:04:24
  February. We did want to go and play that,
• 1:04:26
  go and watch that. But my wife's a personal trainer
• 1:04:29
  and taking holidays early in the year is probably is not the best
• 1:04:33
  thing because because that's when that's when most of our
• 1:04:36
  people are, you know, doing a New Year's resolutions and yeah,
• 1:04:40
  right. If you if you get them off the
• 1:04:42
  treadmill, they ain't coming back.
• 1:04:44
  Right, right, because. Then by March, they're done.
• 1:04:46
  They realize, oh, this. Is too hard for me, I don't want
• 1:04:48
  to. So I guess going back to Chris's
• 1:04:49
  question since you've. Never been here.
• 1:04:52
  Yeah, yeah. The questions you have, yeah,
• 1:04:55
  Pick up. Pick the Americans brains, yeah?
• 1:04:58
  Nothing's you know. You know what?
• 1:05:00
  Probably the first 10 minutes of most of our news bulletins are
• 1:05:03
  American based. Really full of them.
• 1:05:06
  You guys have such a huge influence on Australian culture.
• 1:05:11
  That's crazy. Good and bad.
• 1:05:13
  Good and bad. I did not know that.
• 1:05:14
  I didn't know that either. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  What's a good thing? That what's a good thing that
• 1:05:18
  there are cultures done to Australia.
• 1:05:21
  It's positives. Oh look, I love the I love the
• 1:05:23
  movie culture and that sort of. Thing I love the podcasting
• 1:05:28
  culture. I've got really into podcasting.
• 1:05:31
  How about our music? What kind of music are you into
• 1:05:33
  from America? I'm really.
• 1:05:37
  Easy. So my favorite band.
• 1:05:40
  Of all times, is Guns and Roses cool?
• 1:05:44
  Yeah. I'm going to the Metallica
• 1:05:45
  concert in November when they come over.
• 1:05:48
  So I'm into, I'm into, I'm into everything.
• 1:05:52
  Like I I appreciate, I appreciate music, whether it's
• 1:05:56
  so real quick, Peter, I don't really give a shit.
• 1:05:58
  Real. Quick a blast from the past.
• 1:06:01
  Chris and I got. To.
• 1:06:01
  See the Load Reload tour in 1998 together.
• 1:06:06
  That was his first Metallica concert.
• 1:06:08
  I got to be there with him and it, it was awesome.
• 1:06:10
  Him and his wife both. That's awesome.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah. I I I remember when I was.
• 1:06:14
  When I was 15, Guns and Roses and Metallica did a joint
• 1:06:18
  concert over here. Yeah, that was a world tour at
• 1:06:22
  Easton. Creek at a place called Easton.
• 1:06:24
  Creek Raceway and I think there was 150,000 people that went and
• 1:06:28
  I was about $40 short sort of going and my mum wouldn't let me
• 1:06:32
  go. Oh no.
• 1:06:35
  Oh, I was gutted. I had to wait until I.
• 1:06:37
  Think 2000 and I think it was like 2012 to see Guns and Roses
• 1:06:43
  live for the first time. So that's my accuracy tour.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, that's when I took Jake. That's when I took.
• 1:06:50
  Jake, you guys saw the same. Tour.
• 1:06:51
  That's why I was asking. Chris Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  And. Like a 2500.
• 1:06:56
  Seat so. Let me tell you a quick story,
• 1:06:59
  yeah. Crazy how small the world is.
• 1:07:02
  Peter, the guy who was playing guitar when you saw them, grew
• 1:07:06
  up 18 miles from me in a smaller town.
• 1:07:09
  Really. In the middle of a cornfield.
• 1:07:12
  Yeah, that's so that guy standing on.
• 1:07:14
  That stage playing for. You.
• 1:07:16
  Started there. That's just so I just those kind
• 1:07:20
  of things just make life crazy. So I'll give you another
• 1:07:23
  example. So I've got a podcast.
• 1:07:25
  As well. And I had a, an English guy come
• 1:07:29
  on it. He, he, he was a paramedic for
• 1:07:30
  50 years. And I rang him the day before
• 1:07:34
  and he's one of those blokes that makes you look at your life
• 1:07:37
  going, oh, I've achieved nothing.
• 1:07:39
  You know, he's just an absolute unbelievable person.
• 1:07:42
  I call, I call it the life resume.
• 1:07:43
  I love it. Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  So he. He's Have you heard of the
• 1:07:49
  Glastonbury Festival? The music festival, Yes.
• 1:07:52
  Yep, Yep. So he started.
• 1:07:55
  And runs the. Charity that does all the
• 1:07:59
  medical provisions for that. Nice, so they have over 5000.
• 1:08:04
  People and. Like intensivists, they have
• 1:08:07
  X-ray machines, you name it. And they all, they all donate,
• 1:08:12
  donate their time for free. And then the money that would go
• 1:08:15
  to them goes to this charity and then they do medical stuff
• 1:08:19
  around the world. But anyway, I rank him and, and
• 1:08:22
  he, he, I knew he was English, but I was like, and, and we were
• 1:08:25
  on the phone via Facebook and I said, oh, I said, so whereabouts
• 1:08:29
  are you from? And he said, oh, a little town
• 1:08:31
  in the southwest of England called Burnham on sea.
• 1:08:34
  I said, get the fuck out of here.
• 1:08:37
  And he's like, what? I'm like, oh, that's where I was
• 1:08:40
  bought up. And it is a town.
• 1:08:42
  Of less than 5000 people. Wow, that's half the 1000 town,
• 1:08:47
  Yeah. Man, yeah, my home, my home town
• 1:08:50
  just gets in here for. People like 2.
• 1:08:51
  Years ago. So when he's giving.
• 1:08:54
  When he's giving all these. Stories.
• 1:08:56
  It's like, holy shit, like that. Yeah, it was it was really cool.
• 1:09:00
  Yeah. He he went to Afghanistan and
• 1:09:02
  taught people how to de mine, like first aid for people that
• 1:09:06
  do de mining and things like that.
• 1:09:08
  It was just an extraordinary man.
• 1:09:10
  Like de mining from from like in the.
• 1:09:13
  Mine like mining for things or de mining from picking up land
• 1:09:15
  mines yeah landmines sorry is that we just.
• 1:09:19
  Had a guy on. Friday, That's what he did when
• 1:09:22
  he was in the. Military, yeah.
• 1:09:24
  In the Army, he was I Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:26
  And the cool. Thing that that that he
• 1:09:27
  explained to us, they have these vehicles that are 30 feet off
• 1:09:30
  the ground and they have the the it's like an angle of iron.
• 1:09:34
  Whatever the vehicle, it's like V shaped at the bottom.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah, V shaped the bottom of it. So if they drive over an IED and
• 1:09:40
  it goes off it. Explodes.
• 1:09:41
  That way it deflects the IED away from the vehicle.
• 1:09:45
  Yeah. So the the ones that he.
• 1:09:48
  Was he, he was teaching they were Afghanis that were.
• 1:09:53
  So he was saying there's 100 million mines in in Afghanistan.
• 1:09:58
  And what they used to do, especially, especially the
• 1:10:00
  Russians, is they would throw these little ones, these colored
• 1:10:04
  balls that had do you know what Sycamore like what a Sycamore
• 1:10:08
  seed is? They've got these.
• 1:10:09
  They're kind of like little wings that come out so they
• 1:10:11
  spin. Yeah.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. So it was, he said.
• 1:10:15
  They were colored. And they were designed.
• 1:10:16
  For children to pick them up and then they would explode.
• 1:10:19
  And they were designed to maim children, not to kill them.
• 1:10:22
  So designed to blow their hands off.
• 1:10:24
  That's terrible. So there's A and they would they
• 1:10:26
  would throw 5. 1000 out of a chopper.
• 1:10:28
  And they would go anywhere and then these kids would pick them
• 1:10:31
  up. So now there's 100 million of
• 1:10:33
  these things laying around. So they're not buried.
• 1:10:35
  They could just be sitting in a tree or or whatever.
• 1:10:38
  So they go around picking these things up.
• 1:10:41
  They're not digging ones up. They're actually picking these
• 1:10:43
  ones off the surface. And they're, he was saying that
• 1:10:46
  all around Afghanistan, especially in the especially in
• 1:10:49
  the mountain areas. And he was saying, yeah, there's
• 1:10:52
  apparently 100 million of them. And one in seven people in
• 1:10:56
  Afghanistan are missing a limb. You got to remember the Russians
• 1:10:59
  were there for 10. Solid years, and then we've been
• 1:11:02
  there ever since. But what's kind of ongoing what?
• 1:11:06
  What kind of mind? Does it take to willingly
• 1:11:10
  construct something that you know is going to be used for
• 1:11:12
  that? And then you order somebody to
• 1:11:14
  fly ahead and just throw these things out the side of the
• 1:11:18
  helicopter knowing like full well knowing you're going to cut
• 1:11:22
  off children's arms and, and and hands and just to be a Dick
• 1:11:26
  like. And The thing is, it's not like
• 1:11:28
  there's an off switch where you can say, okay, we're no longer.
• 1:11:31
  At war and no longer doing this right.
• 1:11:32
  They're around forever, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:35
  Like and even then back then. They're doing it for the
• 1:11:37
  children, like the, like MM and I are fascinated with serial
• 1:11:41
  killers, right? And the biggest thing about
• 1:11:42
  serial killers, for the most part, they have a code, right?
• 1:11:44
  No women, no children, right? There's the there's the bad ones
• 1:11:47
  that do, but you just you draw a line with the child does
• 1:11:50
  nothing. Now, yes, the child can grow up
• 1:11:51
  to be Genghis Kong, right? Or, or you know, Dahmer or you
• 1:11:55
  know, Donald Trump, right? You know you're going to grow up
• 1:11:58
  to be somebody who's just just malicious, right, and has just
• 1:12:01
  just a vile intention in the world.
• 1:12:04
  But it's a child, man. It's, I just, I can't, I just
• 1:12:10
  the way he explained it, which which fits into that is, is.
• 1:12:14
  What better way is there to cause terror than sure,
• 1:12:17
  potentially maimed children? So as a, as a parent, your job
• 1:12:21
  is to protect your child. And that's the way to sort of
• 1:12:26
  yeah, to keep them in line. It's I would, yeah.
• 1:12:28
  It's I would say you have to understand that that kind of.
• 1:12:31
  Evil exists in order to combat it, right?
• 1:12:34
  You can't just bury your head in the sand and say people aren't
• 1:12:37
  doing that. It doesn't exist, right?
• 1:12:40
  You have to combat that kind of stuff head on.
• 1:12:42
  And that's why I say I'm on team people.
• 1:12:44
  Yeah, look, more people doing the job that I did, doing the
• 1:12:48
  job that I did. It was.
• 1:12:49
  I just remember even within the first week, realizing how
• 1:12:54
  privileged my upbringing was. I say that because it's not
• 1:12:57
  until you see how the other side live.
• 1:12:59
  You know. Obviously we, we deal with
• 1:13:01
  people in abject poverty or drugs or or whatever, and you
• 1:13:06
  don't realize how well you are off until you see that sort of
• 1:13:10
  stuff. Correct.
• 1:13:11
  I, I, yeah, I would agree with that.
• 1:13:13
  They. Say if you make over. $30,000 a
• 1:13:15
  year, you're in the. Top 1% of the world, people
• 1:13:18
  forget that, right? Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah. And a lot of Americans don't
• 1:13:21
  understand that because they always want more and more and
• 1:13:24
  more, right? Right.
• 1:13:25
  We're a consumer driven nation. Yeah.
• 1:13:29
  So that that was the one thing that.
• 1:13:31
  When he said. About asking you questions, the
• 1:13:33
  one thing I've never really understood about you guys is
• 1:13:36
  your is your Healthcare is, is just, it's just crazy.
• 1:13:39
  I believe it's the leading cause of bankruptcy over there, and
• 1:13:42
  that it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't bad.
• 1:13:46
  Like when my wife and I, my wife and I've been my wife and I have
• 1:13:50
  been together for 30 years. So we had our first child for
• 1:13:54
  like 10 bucks because back then Blue Cross Blue Shield, there
• 1:13:58
  wasn't, it wasn't monopoly. It wasn't a monopoly.
• 1:14:01
  It wasn't, it wasn't about the money.
• 1:14:03
  It wasn't about the pharmaceutical companies.
• 1:14:04
  You know, like you probably heard how insanely expensive
• 1:14:08
  diabetes medication is and but you can get Viagra for fucking
• 1:14:11
  $5. Like really?
• 1:14:12
  There's a disconnect here, boys and girls.
• 1:14:14
  OK, let's like, like I, I, there's more and more stuff
• 1:14:18
  coming out now and again. I don't know how much of his
• 1:14:19
  tied to AI and all that nonsense because it's hard.
• 1:14:21
  It's hard to to discriminate what's fact and fiction
• 1:14:24
  nowadays, but there's been stuff being dropped that I've seen as
• 1:14:27
  of late that there's there's new medicine, medicine they're
• 1:14:31
  they're discovering in other parts of the world that they're
• 1:14:33
  there's one that I saw that I want to say I don't, I'm not
• 1:14:37
  going to quote, I'm not going to guess the country, but somebody
• 1:14:39
  developed something to where it's, it can help prevent 14
• 1:14:42
  different various varieties of cancer, right?
• 1:14:45
  Or that's true, I don't know. But if you look at cancer in a
• 1:14:49
  whole, especially in the United States, it's a multi $1,000,000
• 1:14:53
  a year industry and it's one of the most, you know, given to
• 1:14:57
  from a charity standpoint, if any other things.
• 1:15:00
  How long does it take to find a cure, man?
• 1:15:03
  Like how many trillions of dollars do you have to funnel
• 1:15:05
  into something? There's no money.
• 1:15:07
  What's that cure? But right so.
• 1:15:09
  What are we giving the money for?
• 1:15:10
  That's the that's the insane. Thing so, so I don't get the
• 1:15:12
  health care either, but it's it's over the years it's
• 1:15:15
  completely evolved and it's it's it's turned into more I think a
• 1:15:18
  more of a money making monopoly than anything else because like
• 1:15:21
  my wife's a school teacher going on her 20th year she pays her
• 1:15:24
  medical insurance. So she's the sugar Mama medical
• 1:15:27
  right and it keeps going up every year so they'll get
• 1:15:30
  they'll get like this 5% cost of living raise, but the insurance
• 1:15:33
  will go up 12% So yeah, that's fun.
• 1:15:36
  Now I'm 6% in the hole again, right so.
• 1:15:39
  Our daughter her. Husband jacked his ankle up so
• 1:15:43
  they went to an urgent care 1 I don't know, two weeks ago or so.
• 1:15:46
  It kind of cost her 5 bucks with the insurance she has, which is
• 1:15:49
  through the state because the income that they make, which is
• 1:15:53
  insane. So we have universal healthcare
• 1:15:54
  over here, right? And see.
• 1:15:56
  Where I was going with that is then us.
• 1:15:58
  The other taxpayers, we pick all that up.
• 1:16:00
  So then, you know, it's it's it's bullshit.
• 1:16:04
  So universal Healthcare is like a social, it's like socialism
• 1:16:07
  type thing. I don't want.
• 1:16:09
  Yeah. So we we, as is called Medicare.
• 1:16:12
  So all our hospitals and GPS, so GPS are starting more and more.
• 1:16:17
  In fact, it's getting harder to find one that doesn't have an
• 1:16:20
  out of pocket because they're the GP.
• 1:16:22
  Even general raised General practitioner.
• 1:16:24
  OK, Yes, yes, OK. Yeah.
• 1:16:26
  I think you guys call them primary practitioners.
• 1:16:28
  Same thing. Yeah, so, but if, if, if you had
• 1:16:32
  a heart attack, if you broke your broke your leg, you go to
• 1:16:35
  hospital. So so earlier this year my wife
• 1:16:38
  we we discovered she had a football size growth on her
• 1:16:41
  uterus and just my wife had the same thing like shoot you not
• 1:16:45
  like 3 or. Four years ago.
• 1:16:47
  Wow. Like on her?
• 1:16:48
  Yeah. And.
• 1:16:51
  She. She.
• 1:16:52
  So she had a, an MRI done on, on Boxing Day and then and then six
• 1:16:59
  weeks later it doubled in size and she had to get a full
• 1:17:02
  surgery and you know, full, full labyrotics, a full zip, zip down
• 1:17:05
  the stomach and get it, get it all out.
• 1:17:07
  Hysterectomy. The lot didn't cost us a cent,
• 1:17:09
  right? And anything, anything like
• 1:17:12
  that, it just general, General Healthcare doesn't cost you
• 1:17:17
  anything. Now, if it's, if it's an
• 1:17:19
  elective surgery, if you have arthritic knees and you need a
• 1:17:23
  knee replacement, then you might be waiting two years.
• 1:17:28
  OK. If you have private health
• 1:17:29
  insurance, which we do, we do have, and that's a choice to pay
• 1:17:34
  extra. You can go to a private
• 1:17:36
  hospital, you'll get get in and but there's cost, there's cost
• 1:17:39
  to that. So you can pay for getting.
• 1:17:42
  It's not better healthcare, it's generally quicker healthcare
• 1:17:46
  through a different system. So you.
• 1:17:48
  So by paying for it, you're not stopping somebody else getting
• 1:17:50
  it through the public system. You know, you're just kind of
• 1:17:53
  going through a privately funded 1.
• 1:17:56
  So but, but if you're sick like I, I, I remember seeing some
• 1:18:01
  comparisons of drug costs for American versus what we pay.
• 1:18:06
  This would be interesting. I was blown away.
• 1:18:08
  So really. Oh.
• 1:18:10
  I, I, I would love to find that the, the chart, the things that
• 1:18:14
  you guys were paying $1000 for, we were paying 6-6 dollars all
• 1:18:21
  Yeah. Wow, wow, that's where our.
• 1:18:24
  System is what we call the PBS. The Pharm.
• 1:18:27
  Pharmaceutical Benefits. Scheme.
• 1:18:28
  And that's where the government subsidizes a vast amount of
• 1:18:32
  drugs. Vast amount.
• 1:18:34
  The maximum you'll pay for something on the PBS, I believe,
• 1:18:37
  is $32. Wow.
• 1:18:40
  Now let's talk. Let's let's talk.
• 1:18:41
  About keep this in mind, there's only two countries.
• 1:18:45
  In the civilized world that allows drug advertising, the
• 1:18:49
  United States and Peter, New Zealand.
• 1:18:52
  Thank you, really. So my question.
• 1:18:54
  My question is this. About money. $32 in Australia
• 1:18:58
  equates to 32 how many dollars in America I think.
• 1:19:03
  Any idea? $32.
• 1:19:05
  I think it's. I think. $1.00 Australian is
• 1:19:09
  buying about 70 US OK cents OK cents $0.70.
• 1:19:14
  Yeah, it's so 70. So, so yeah, so if it's if it's
• 1:19:20
  if let's say it's $30 here, that would be let's say 40, yeah,
• 1:19:24
  about 40. OK, OK, OK.
• 1:19:26
  I just perspective, that's all. No, sorry.
• 1:19:29
  It'd be about 20 dollars, $20 US the other way around, yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:19:32
  So I so I like that. I like that.
• 1:19:34
  We need to. Can we figure out how to make
• 1:19:36
  that happen here in America? Well, that's why your drug costs
• 1:19:39
  are so high. Because every 10.
• 1:19:41
  Seconds. There's an ad on television
• 1:19:42
  saying, Chris, you need this, Chris, you need this, Mike, you
• 1:19:45
  need this. No, I don't know how correct it
• 1:19:47
  is, but I heard that the pharmaceutical.
• 1:19:49
  Industry over there spends $2 billion a year in advertising.
• 1:19:53
  That's probably, that's probably conservative.
• 1:19:56
  And and half of it's for for erectile dysfunction.
• 1:19:59
  Or testosterone, because that's all they seem to focus on is, is
• 1:20:02
  just testosterone, wrong erections.
• 1:20:04
  It's like, OK, let's talk about this, Let's talk about that,
• 1:20:07
  right? You know, it's, it's ridiculous.
• 1:20:10
  So again with my ignorance if we will find if a if a new drug.
• 1:20:14
  Comes on the market that's important and let's say, let's
• 1:20:19
  say a Zimpick or you know, although that type of drug not a
• 1:20:23
  Zimpick itself, well that's going to come back to bite
• 1:20:25
  everybody agreed. Very, very much.
• 1:20:29
  That potential? Absolutely.
• 1:20:31
  But but let's say there's something a new white control
• 1:20:34
  drug comes out on, the government will actually do some
• 1:20:38
  advertising and say speak to your doctor.
• 1:20:40
  There's no brands. They'll just say speak to your
• 1:20:43
  doctor and then your doctor can decide.
• 1:20:46
  So, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, so you
• 1:20:49
  can't do any of that. But they'll there's gambling,
• 1:20:54
  especially sports gambling advertising has gone through the
• 1:20:57
  roof in the last. Well, here too, man.
• 1:20:59
  Here too. Just especially once the NFL
• 1:21:01
  opened. Up gambling and and partnered
• 1:21:04
  with and sort of the NBA and then it's just it's non-stop
• 1:21:07
  it's insane. How about casinos do you guys?
• 1:21:09
  Good question. Are you a casino culture?
• 1:21:13
  Not really there. There's no way that has.
• 1:21:17
  I think most major cities have one casino.
• 1:21:22
  OK, otherwise that wasn't mine. Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  So, so I mean, we've got, we've got a casino.
• 1:21:29
  Up here in Townsville, so Townsville.
• 1:21:31
  'S a a a regional city. We've got about, we've got about
• 1:21:35
  260,000 people here and there's probably, there's probably six.
• 1:21:42
  Yeah, there's, there's 11 casino and it's probably got 2 or two
• 1:21:47
  roulette tables in it, 6 blackjack.
• 1:21:51
  I can't play craps. There's.
• 1:21:55
  No craps up here. There is in some of.
• 1:21:57
  The other ones in some of the bigger ones, That's my game man.
• 1:22:01
  I love playing craps. Never played.
• 1:22:02
  It oh fantastic seen it played but.
• 1:22:05
  Never played it. Fantastic.
• 1:22:06
  Do yourself a favor. Put it on your bucket.
• 1:22:08
  List here's Here's a political question.
• 1:22:11
  Like America, you know. We have a president.
• 1:22:13
  What do you have in Australia? Are you great, president?
• 1:22:16
  Democracy. So we use the We're the.
• 1:22:19
  Westminster system which? Is the same as the United
• 1:22:22
  Kingdom, so we have a Prime Minister.
• 1:22:23
  So the way it works over here is the country is divided into
• 1:22:29
  seats. And I think you did.
• 1:22:33
  We've only just had the election.
• 1:22:34
  I'm trying to think of the number.
• 1:22:35
  I think it was 75. You need 75 seats in your party.
• 1:22:41
  And then of those people that in that party, they vote for the
• 1:22:45
  leader and the leader becomes the Prime Minister.
• 1:22:48
  OK. So there's no one person that
• 1:22:50
  you're, you're, you're not voting for the leader, although
• 1:22:53
  they kind of try and make it that way.
• 1:22:56
  You're voting for your local member.
• 1:22:59
  And then those local members work out who's going to lead
• 1:23:03
  them and they, they become the leader.
• 1:23:05
  So in the middle of, let's say, I don't know.
• 1:23:08
  So Anthony Albanese is our Prime Minister.
• 1:23:11
  He just got reelected if in two years time we three years, I
• 1:23:16
  think is our our cycle for federal.
• 1:23:19
  If in two years time the the Labour Party who are current
• 1:23:24
  current government party. If they decide that I don't
• 1:23:27
  think Albanese stands no chance in hell of being re elected for
• 1:23:30
  the next one, that somebody can challenge him for the
• 1:23:34
  leadership. And if he gets and if they he or
• 1:23:36
  she gets more votes, then they become Prime Minister and he
• 1:23:40
  gets the boot. He just goes back to the
• 1:23:41
  backbenchers. So is there a term limb like
• 1:23:44
  like in America? It's it's 2 terms.
• 1:23:45
  And that's it. You can't, you can't run for 1/3
• 1:23:47
  even though, you know, Donald thinks he's going to run for
• 1:23:50
  another term. But here's it's 2 terms.
• 1:23:52
  That's it for president, Congress and Senate.
• 1:23:54
  They can, they can be in office for 70 years and, and not even
• 1:23:58
  show up to vote because they're, they're so old and decrepit, but
• 1:24:01
  they're still getting, you know, voted in, which is ridiculous.
• 1:24:03
  So do you have term limits in Australia?
• 1:24:07
  No, we don't. No.
• 1:24:08
  And and and I think that. That's part of the problem.
• 1:24:11
  Like we're, yeah, there's people been in politics for 30-40
• 1:24:14
  years, but they, they, so, yeah, we, we have three different
• 1:24:19
  levels of government. We have local councils, we have
• 1:24:21
  state governments and federal governments and they, they all
• 1:24:26
  run off the same type of system. So we.
• 1:24:29
  So for our federal system, we have what we call the House of
• 1:24:33
  Representatives, which is where generally, but Yep.
• 1:24:37
  And then then they're sort of check is what they call the
• 1:24:42
  upper house or the Senate. So, so basically things have to
• 1:24:46
  go through the we can see how we stole our system of government.
• 1:24:50
  Yeah. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  This is all I think the biggest. The biggest problem is that it.
• 1:24:56
  It has become very, we are becoming more and more American,
• 1:25:00
  Americanized and we are becoming more and more polarized, very
• 1:25:05
  much leading on from American sort of culture.
• 1:25:08
  So the So that would be the bad side of it.
• 1:25:13
  Yeah, I think so. It's it's.
• 1:25:14
  Not something I'm a fan of. So our head of state, a lot of
• 1:25:18
  people don't know, and I can't imagine too many Americans would
• 1:25:22
  know we our head of state is the king.
• 1:25:26
  Oh, OK, King Charles. King Charles.
• 1:25:28
  So we. Are a part of the.
• 1:25:29
  Commonwealth from over in England.
• 1:25:31
  So you're still an English Commonwealth?
• 1:25:34
  OK. Yes, yeah, we're part.
• 1:25:36
  We are. Called the our our actual.
• 1:25:37
  Name is the Commonwealth of Australia.
• 1:25:40
  So we there was a, there was a what's the word?
• 1:25:47
  There was a vote of shit. There's a word for a.
• 1:25:50
  Referendum. There was a referendum a few,
• 1:25:52
  well probably about 15 years ago to change to A, to leave the
• 1:25:57
  monarchy and become a, a, a, its own Republic.
• 1:26:01
  And it got defeated and, and it was simply and, and it was
• 1:26:06
  defeated simply because there was no real advantage for the
• 1:26:11
  cost that it would have had. No one could sell.
• 1:26:14
  It I like I voted. No, because no one sold me on
• 1:26:17
  the advantage. Like, I don't know, how's my
• 1:26:19
  life going to get better? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:22
  I mean they. They're they're purely.
• 1:26:24
  In your big, big ceremonial facet, that's all, yeah.
• 1:26:30
  They're your Big Brother. Yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Oh yeah. England I.
• 1:26:34
  Mean again, we're the most. We're the most.
• 1:26:36
  Epic sporting rivals. But yeah, we're we're the one
• 1:26:40
  thing I do love about Australia. Compared to other.
• 1:26:43
  Countries is that sporting rivals over here are fun.
• 1:26:47
  There's never any any animosity. Like you might have a jab at
• 1:26:51
  somebody, but it's always done in jest.
• 1:26:54
  Yeah, you very rarely get get fights at sporting events.
• 1:26:59
  Yeah, it's, it is. Starting.
• 1:27:00
  To sneak in. With.
• 1:27:02
  Clubs that are a lot more ethnically based so that you
• 1:27:08
  know, that can't that is and that used to be a massive issue
• 1:27:11
  in soccer. So within soccer back in the day
• 1:27:15
  before it became what what's now called the A league, they had
• 1:27:19
  they had clubs based on ethnicities.
• 1:27:23
  So they had Melbourne, Croatia and, and you know, and so you,
• 1:27:28
  you were always going to have this massive, massive fight.
• 1:27:31
  So they, they cleaned that up a lot.
• 1:27:35
  So yes, so the most, the most epic rivalry or in the biggest
• 1:27:39
  game is probably what we call state of Origin, which is
• 1:27:44
  Queensland versus NSW, which is actually what those balls are
• 1:27:47
  behind. He just got balls.
• 1:27:49
  And that's like you're. I would call that the equivalent
• 1:27:53
  of your All Stars. Nice balloons.
• 1:27:56
  I don't. Know how I did?
• 1:27:58
  Yeah, I was just going to say. What the hell?
• 1:28:00
  Just saw balloons going. It would be the equivalent of
• 1:28:03
  your All Stars, but it's All Stars with meaning.
• 1:28:07
  So it's, it's, it's mate versus. Mate, state versus state.
• 1:28:10
  But it's fun and it's, it's there's never any animosity and
• 1:28:15
  and we don't have to worry about coming out and getting shot.
• 1:28:18
  Yeah, well, and that's not indicative of everything in
• 1:28:20
  America. Because the ones of us that are
• 1:28:22
  adults like Mike and myself, it's it, it, it's a game.
• 1:28:25
  It is what it is. I mean, if you know, if the
• 1:28:27
  Giants from the Super Bowl, I'm not going to go outside and and
• 1:28:29
  and lift my my neighbor's vehicle upside down, you know,
• 1:28:33
  in celebration, that's just monumentally stupid.
• 1:28:36
  But you have that mindset still, unfortunately.
• 1:28:39
  But it's not it's not something that's shared on a whole.
• 1:28:41
  You have Philadelphia, there's like that.
• 1:28:43
  Their fans are stupid like that. Well, there's isolated
• 1:28:46
  incidents, right? Right.
• 1:28:48
  And. But that's the thing, you take,
• 1:28:49
  you take. You take the isolated, you know,
• 1:28:52
  you take one small core of fans that are just idiots and then
• 1:28:55
  they run it for everybody else. It's like, that's why we can't
• 1:28:56
  have nice things, right? I think what he's saying no, and
• 1:28:59
  correct me if I'm wrong, they don't, but.
• 1:29:00
  That kind of stuff just doesn't happen there.
• 1:29:02
  Right, Right. That's what that's what I yeah,
• 1:29:04
  but that's what I was saying like.
• 1:29:06
  From, from I was, I was kind of debating with him a little bit
• 1:29:09
  that well, let me also put this into perspective for people
• 1:29:12
  that's. Also going to be a debatable
• 1:29:14
  issue, but I don't think so because we have to consider the
• 1:29:18
  population density, right? There's 350 million people in
• 1:29:22
  the same size as how many people do you guys have?
• 1:29:26
  3027 million, 27,000,000 I was pretty close.
• 1:29:31
  That's yeah. So they're basically the size.
• 1:29:33
  Of Orange County, our biggest city.
• 1:29:35
  Is I think for maybe 5 million for Melbourne and Sydney.
• 1:29:39
  They're about 5 million each. OK, So another thing that we
• 1:29:43
  need to clear up for. Our listeners and viewers.
• 1:29:46
  Because Australia is completely upside down for us, right?
• 1:29:49
  Like we could dig a hole and find you is Christmas in July
• 1:29:55
  we. Have Christmas in summer and
• 1:29:58
  that is something. I still am not used to after 30
• 1:30:00
  years. OK, so that's legit.
• 1:30:02
  That's great question. When is is it?
• 1:30:04
  Is it December? In the summer.
• 1:30:07
  December the 25th, but it's in the December 25th so they they
• 1:30:11
  do do Christmas. In July.
• 1:30:13
  And that's just a marketing gimmick so that people can wear
• 1:30:17
  winter, you know, Christmas jumpers and stuff like that.
• 1:30:21
  So, but yeah, our. Christmas is generally.
• 1:30:24
  Seafood and sitting around the pool and playing cricket or, you
• 1:30:28
  know, or or whatever it is. It is not normal.
• 1:30:33
  It is to me. It's really odd because I came
• 1:30:35
  from England when I was young and cold.
• 1:30:38
  Christmas is associated with the cold in every literature and
• 1:30:41
  movie. Us too, right?
• 1:30:42
  Yeah, right. I grew up that way.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah. Me.
• 1:30:45
  Too so, but it's so it's like 100 and. 20° outside and you're
• 1:30:49
  hanging out by the barbecue and, you know, playing cricket.
• 1:30:52
  Yep. Yeah, it's yeah and and.
• 1:30:55
  Drinking beer and eating. Seafood there's no you know,
• 1:30:59
  some places do Turkey, but yeah it's it's seafood is probably
• 1:31:03
  our number one Christmas food now OK and then all your seafood
• 1:31:06
  obviously is fresh because you. You're surrounded by ocean.
• 1:31:11
  It's. Crazy, we export way more.
• 1:31:14
  Than we actually import and eat more imported seafood because
• 1:31:19
  it's cheap and believe it or not, it's cheaper to get prawns
• 1:31:23
  or a lot of seafood sent overseas, processed and sent
• 1:31:26
  back than it is to actually do it.
• 1:31:29
  Yeah, it's it's just so ridiculous.
• 1:31:31
  So barramundi is probably our number one most famous fish.
• 1:31:36
  Yeah, and, and, and it's a bit of a staple.
• 1:31:39
  And I think it's something like 70% of all the barramundi eaten
• 1:31:43
  in Australia is imported. Wow, I would have never guessed
• 1:31:47
  that. So what's it is?
• 1:31:49
  It's. Just nuts.
• 1:31:51
  What's the What's 1? Thing that that Australians.
• 1:31:54
  Like you just gravitate towards from an American thing like like
• 1:31:57
  like certain countries, like they just they just fall head
• 1:32:00
  over heels of a red tag of Levi's, right.
• 1:32:02
  And certain countries, they just got to have the Jordans.
• 1:32:05
  Is there something like that that Australians would just, you
• 1:32:07
  know, move Earth and stone to get something that it's
• 1:32:11
  American? That's a good question.
• 1:32:16
  Thanks. That is a great question.
• 1:32:21
  Nothing that, nothing that really.
• 1:32:24
  Springs to mind. There's a lot.
• 1:32:26
  Of. I mean, fashion, yeah, fashion
• 1:32:28
  is very much influenced by all the different cultural, you
• 1:32:32
  know, influences music or whatever.
• 1:32:36
  Sure, Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:32:41
  It's funny, isn't it? Because we.
• 1:32:43
  The the world is so it's it's come together.
• 1:32:48
  So much with the Internet like. There's just, you know, and, and
• 1:32:53
  if we want something from America, we just jump on Amazon
• 1:32:56
  and buy it right, right now. So that's interesting.
• 1:32:58
  I was going to bring up Amazon. Because Amazon's worldwide,
• 1:33:01
  right? Yeah.
• 1:33:03
  So, so let's. OK.
• 1:33:05
  So like what's the normal cost of a brand new vehicle?
• 1:33:09
  In Australia, like here? If you want to buy a 4 door Crew
• 1:33:11
  Cab pickup truck, you're like 120 grand brand spanking new
• 1:33:14
  that doesn't have all the bells and whistles right.
• 1:33:16
  So say like do you have, do you have American products as far as
• 1:33:19
  vehicles like Fords and Chevys over there, the Chevys and.
• 1:33:24
  Dodge Rams and that. Sort of thing have just started
• 1:33:26
  to come over here and then they're around 200 grand.
• 1:33:31
  Wow. So that's about 150.
• 1:33:34
  In American. Yeah, probably slightly more
• 1:33:37
  than that. So yeah.
• 1:33:39
  They're they're pretty. Expensive.
• 1:33:41
  So what's the main thing you? Guys manufacture vehicle wise
• 1:33:43
  over there. Is it the Subaru Outback?
• 1:33:47
  No, we we lost all our. Manufacturing.
• 1:33:50
  There is no cars manufactured in Australia anymore.
• 1:33:54
  I think the Holden factory, we used to do Holdens and Fords,
• 1:34:00
  the Holden factory closed, if I had to guess, I'd say maybe six
• 1:34:03
  years ago, seven years ago. So you know how you guys have
• 1:34:07
  NASCAR, We have super cars over here and the the ultimate and,
• 1:34:12
  and it was Ford versus Holden and that that was the the big
• 1:34:17
  thing and it went for many, many years and it was a real rival,
• 1:34:20
  you a real rivalry. You kind of went for one or the
• 1:34:23
  other. And they since Holden and Ford
• 1:34:27
  now go overseas, they're they've now brought in like Nissan and
• 1:34:30
  other manufacturers and it's lost its kind of lost its
• 1:34:34
  Australianism of it, that real tribalism.
• 1:34:39
  So yeah, unfortunately there is nothing that we make over here
• 1:34:44
  anymore, which is really sad. So with.
• 1:34:49
  So I don't, I don't, I don't, I correct me if I'm wrong, but
• 1:34:51
  Trump can't control the whatever you guys do from Australia to
• 1:34:55
  other countries, only between US and America, right?
• 1:34:57
  Like he wants to tear a few from American stuff.
• 1:35:00
  He can do that. But you, you, you're not getting
• 1:35:02
  tariffs like crazy for stuff that you come from Britain or
• 1:35:04
  other countries around you aside from America, right?
• 1:35:07
  No, we've just, we've, I think we've got free trade agreements
• 1:35:10
  with. Pretty much everywhere, very
• 1:35:12
  cool. Australia is net positive for
• 1:35:15
  America. So you guys in you guys export
• 1:35:18
  more to us than you import. So and one of our biggest
• 1:35:24
  imports to you guys is steel and it's going to hurt us when with
• 1:35:28
  that that 20% tariff that's because it was going to be 10
• 1:35:33
  and then he's doubling it to 20 announced yesterday or day
• 1:35:37
  before. So that could have some some
• 1:35:41
  flow on effects. But at the same time, we have
• 1:35:44
  such broad export partners, then I don't think it's going to make
• 1:35:50
  too much of a difference. The difference will become will
• 1:35:53
  be the flow on effects from America's influence on the
• 1:35:57
  world. So.
• 1:35:59
  So when when you go when when those tariffs were first arrived
• 1:36:02
  and your stock market tanked as as followed suit, we just went
• 1:36:05
  yeah, straight down the game. I think a lot of I think a lot
• 1:36:08
  of his thing is wishful thinking.
• 1:36:09
  And then he. He's just, he's who knows what
• 1:36:11
  the hell he's doing. He's he's a whack A mole.
• 1:36:13
  But I don't, I don't, I'm hopeful that it doesn't.
• 1:36:15
  It doesn't do every because every time he's tried to do
• 1:36:18
  something with guards to that, we've shut it down.
• 1:36:20
  Like, yeah, you're not doing that.
• 1:36:21
  Yeah, you're not doing that. Yep.
• 1:36:23
  Not doing that. Now I get the China thing
• 1:36:24
  because China has been sticking it to us for years.
• 1:36:27
  So I'm let's stick it right back to them, right?
• 1:36:31
  Turnabout is fair play. If we get, if we get charged,
• 1:36:34
  you know, if any people are charging us to export import,
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  then I'm, I'm the same. OK, if they're going to charge
• 1:36:39
  us 10%, let's charge them 10%. But don't do it to Peter.
• 1:36:43
  Peter's been my representative. For Australia, as far as the
• 1:36:45
  Chris and Mike's show goes, and he's been his outstanding
• 1:36:48
  representative of Australia. So let's not let's not mess with
• 1:36:51
  Peter. He seems like a friendly fellow.
• 1:36:53
  Yeah, I guess the the problem with tariffs is that if.
• 1:36:56
  I'm, If I am a manufacturer over here, I'd probably buy a huge,
• 1:37:01
  huge proportion of my things from various countries,
• 1:37:05
  including China. They're obviously the the, the
• 1:37:07
  world's biggest exporter of pretty much everything, which I
• 1:37:10
  don't get that because China being.
• 1:37:13
  That is that just because you know, it's because they're cheap
• 1:37:17
  slightly. OK, OK.
• 1:37:19
  Yeah, you. Can do a lot when you
• 1:37:21
  essentially comes down to what the what.
• 1:37:24
  They have little hands. Exactly, you know.
• 1:37:27
  And it's it's one of those things every, everybody gets.
• 1:37:29
  On their high horse and says our iPhones or Samsung should be
• 1:37:34
  made in America. But you could probably going to
• 1:37:37
  be paying $5000 for it right? Well, Apple came out and said.
• 1:37:41
  They're going to invest $400 billion over the next four years
• 1:37:45
  so they can actually produce all of their products in America,
• 1:37:49
  which I think is cool. And and we'll see what kind of
• 1:37:52
  cost that carries over to the consumer.
• 1:37:54
  But like, you know, there's the reason why Detroit was Detroit
• 1:37:57
  was because all the manufacturing cars that were
• 1:37:59
  made, right? I mean, that's that put the
• 1:38:01
  industrial revolution was America.
• 1:38:03
  That's what our foundation is. So now that everything's gone
• 1:38:06
  and being exported and we're going to go build a factory in
• 1:38:09
  Mexico to build cars instead of in America.
• 1:38:11
  Well, you know, it hurts our economy, but it boosted that
• 1:38:14
  economy. Yeah.
• 1:38:15
  And then you have all the tariff stuff going back and forth.
• 1:38:17
  So I think it's just a vicious cycle that you just need to find
• 1:38:19
  a happy medium. And so, to play devil's
• 1:38:21
  advocate, do you think that would have happened if Trump?
• 1:38:23
  Didn't do these tariffs? No, I don't think so.
• 1:38:28
  So you know, is there a method? Is that you know?
• 1:38:31
  So. It's one of those things that it
• 1:38:35
  could have good things for America and very bad things for
• 1:38:39
  the rest of the world, but it's kind of it's going to take a
• 1:38:42
  generation or two to actually make up that that difference.
• 1:38:46
  Well, here's what I told Chris. Many.
• 1:38:48
  Episodes ago when this first started, in my opinion,
• 1:38:52
  everybody's looking at it in reverse.
• 1:38:54
  They're not concerned about what the results are to you and I,
• 1:38:59
  because what I was seeing was stock market manipulation right
• 1:39:03
  before everybody's eyes. The rich got richer right there.
• 1:39:07
  They pulled the market down, they bought it up and they,
• 1:39:10
  they're starting to drive it back up.
• 1:39:12
  The rich are getting richer, right?
• 1:39:13
  That's how they do it. Yep, absolutely.
• 1:39:16
  Do you have stock market in Australia?
• 1:39:19
  Yeah, absolutely. OK.
• 1:39:20
  Absolutely. We.
• 1:39:22
  Heavily influenced by by America, but it's also the hang
• 1:39:26
  Sai like the, the the Japanese and and yeah, it's we're part of
• 1:39:31
  the world, the world economy. Do you guys drill your own oil
• 1:39:34
  and stuff? You're self-sufficient in that.
• 1:39:36
  Aspect we actually export. We export.
• 1:39:41
  We have some of the highest gas and oil prices in a in the world
• 1:39:46
  and we export the majority of it.
• 1:39:49
  So see how then how is Mad Max possible man?
• 1:39:51
  Because. Mad Max was all about dystopian,
• 1:39:53
  you know, they ran out of everything was at that point,
• 1:39:56
  but no but. But they were.
• 1:39:58
  But all those vehicles, man, were.
• 1:39:59
  Driving, they all had gas. They that's what what they were
• 1:40:03
  on the hunt for though, remember?
• 1:40:05
  So they're wasting all the fuel hunting for fuel, yes.
• 1:40:07
  And then, and then he had the Thunderdome and all hell broke
• 1:40:10
  loose. Tina Turner just raised hell.
• 1:40:13
  One man enter. Two man 80s.
• 1:40:15
  That was 25 lbs of chain link fence she wore.
• 1:40:18
  Yes, we export more more. Oil.
• 1:40:21
  And natural. Gas than we actually use how do
• 1:40:23
  you how do you which is so stupid how do you.
• 1:40:27
  Export natural. Gas.
• 1:40:28
  Man. Is it just to?
• 1:40:29
  Throw a pipe, pipelines and tankers.
• 1:40:33
  So the pipeline goes under the ocean.
• 1:40:35
  Ocean. Floor pipeline to yes, OK makes.
• 1:40:40
  Sense. Yeah, I look.
• 1:40:41
  I don't. Know enough to.
• 1:40:43
  Yeah, I don't know how to do it. There's coal.
• 1:40:45
  Coal is a big one as well. We do a lot of.
• 1:40:47
  Mining OK. OK, cool all.
• 1:40:51
  Right. Well, boys and girls.
• 1:40:52
  This is the Crystal Mike show you can find.
• 1:40:54
  Us on Instagram, Facebook and YouTube, this is Peter Vinnicol
• 1:40:57
  as I say that Peter, we're going to, as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:41:00
  we're going to put. You on our list of people to
• 1:41:02
  head back because I'm fascinated with Australia and you've been
• 1:41:06
  awesome, man. Thank you so much for your time
• 1:41:08
  and humoring us with all our questions.
• 1:41:12
  And if you want everyone, a couple Americans on your show,
• 1:41:14
  we'd be. Glad to be guests as well.
• 1:41:15
  You know, million percent or so. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:41:19
  Absolutely. I'll give everything a plug you
• 1:41:22
  want, man. That's what we're doing.
• 1:41:23
  Whatever. You want to talk about you'd lay
• 1:41:25
  it on. Yeah, my.
• 1:41:26
  Podcast is called Beyond the Call.
• 1:41:28
  Experiences of high trauma occupations say that one more
• 1:41:31
  thing have long conversation beyond the.
• 1:41:34
  Call. Experiences of high trauma
• 1:41:36
  occupations, OK. And I talked to people in and
• 1:41:41
  around the high trauma space. So be it defence or, or, or
• 1:41:46
  first responders. I, I've had a professional, I
• 1:41:49
  had an NRL referee, I've had a, I had an escort, a high class
• 1:41:54
  escort from America on there as well.
• 1:41:56
  Because, you know, all, all trauma, trauma is a lot more
• 1:41:59
  than what we see and what we think and the, the effects it
• 1:42:03
  can have is huge. I, I suffer from PTSI hate the
• 1:42:07
  word PTSD. It's to me, it should be PTSI.
• 1:42:11
  It's an injury, not a disorder. Nice.
• 1:42:14
  I like that. I like that too.
• 1:42:16
  Yeah. Disorder has such a negative.
• 1:42:19
  Connotation. It does to it internally a dis
• 1:42:23
  I've got a disorder, whereas an injury is a temporary can, can
• 1:42:27
  be a temporary thing. So I'm still in the process of
• 1:42:31
  getting through that. And I found it really
• 1:42:32
  therapeutic. I've yeah, it's it's it's long
• 1:42:37
  form, but it's yeah. And it's deep, dark and can get
• 1:42:41
  graphic. So, you know, if you're easily
• 1:42:44
  offended, don't, don't go there. But yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's
• 1:42:48
  really therapeutic. So from a, from a, from a trauma
• 1:42:51
  standpoint are. And so you have something like
• 1:42:53
  I, I went through a fair amount of trauma in my child and
• 1:42:56
  growing up. So from a vantage points I had
• 1:42:58
  come on, we talked about my my trauma and stuff.
• 1:43:00
  Are you somebody that that certified to kind of work
• 1:43:04
  through the trauma with someone you just kind of sharing stories
• 1:43:07
  and how they how they adapt, recover and survive through all
• 1:43:09
  of it. So what I'm generally doing?
• 1:43:13
  Is trying to get stories. That and no, I'm not certified,
• 1:43:16
  although it is something I'm interested in, in becoming.
• 1:43:22
  I've spent time in mental mental facilities myself as a patient
• 1:43:25
  and got a lot out of that. I get people to come in and tell
• 1:43:29
  their stories and I like to try and get them to, I want my
• 1:43:34
  audience to be able to identify if they might be feeling or
• 1:43:39
  thinking something similar and it might be enough for them to
• 1:43:43
  reach out and get some help. So I'll go through the emotional
• 1:43:47
  stuff that people go through and and because the worst feeling
• 1:43:52
  about any sort of mental health trauma is that you feel alone,
• 1:43:56
  right? Couldn't agree with you.
• 1:43:58
  The only person. Going through this, that's why
• 1:44:01
  we always. Drop our show up with with if.
• 1:44:03
  If, if you're, if you're feeling down, depressed, suicidal, you
• 1:44:06
  know Somebody Loves You, somebody's going to miss you,
• 1:44:09
  make the call. Go on Google, find somebody that
• 1:44:11
  can help you talk through the problem.
• 1:44:12
  If if nobody else is there, you can reach out to Mike and I
• 1:44:15
  because somebody will miss you. You don't, don't create a hole
• 1:44:18
  in somebody's heart because you were struggling and didn't know
• 1:44:20
  how to deal. Because everybody on some level
• 1:44:23
  has dealt with trauma in a similar fashion and has has felt
• 1:44:27
  the same way at some point in time in life.
• 1:44:28
  Because nobody can say my life is perfect from day one.
• 1:44:31
  No matter who you are, what stage you are in life, what
• 1:44:35
  class level you are, you know, low class, middle class, upper
• 1:44:38
  class, it doesn't matter. Everybody has to deal with the
• 1:44:41
  bullshit that everybody else has to deal with.
• 1:44:42
  It's just different for each person and how they carry it and
• 1:44:45
  how they process it. So we never let the bad days
• 1:44:48
  when somebody's going to miss you, Somebody Loves You.
• 1:44:49
  Remember that. Because that's kind of why we
• 1:44:52
  started this because we're both recovering out.
• 1:44:54
  I'm a recovering alcoholic, he's recovering drug addict.
• 1:44:57
  You know, we both had those dark periods of our life.
• 1:45:00
  Everybody does. But it's, it's something like
• 1:45:02
  you, which is really cool. I didn't realize that's what
• 1:45:04
  your show is about, but that's fantastic because you're you're
• 1:45:06
  helping people release that and get it out of their systems.
• 1:45:11
  That could be very cathartic. I know some of the stuff I've
• 1:45:14
  gone through getting it out. My my benefit was writing and
• 1:45:16
  singing and performing. I was able to purge that
• 1:45:19
  darkness and turn into something positive as far as, you know,
• 1:45:23
  that aspect. But a lot of people don't have
• 1:45:25
  that. That's a million percent what
• 1:45:26
  music did for me, right? And a lot of people don't have
• 1:45:29
  that outlet, so that's a cool thing.
• 1:45:31
  That you do, man. Well, the next time we have him
• 1:45:32
  on, well, that will be the whole show, man.
• 1:45:34
  We'll just talk about this, you know what, how you've started
• 1:45:37
  and how you got going. And I'm super interested in that
• 1:45:40
  myself and I'll be tuning into your show.
• 1:45:42
  So yeah, absolutely. Thanks, guys.
• 1:45:44
  Yeah, I. Mean the, the the. 2 words that
• 1:45:48
  are probably the most dangerous, worthlessness and helplessness.
• 1:45:52
  If you feel worthless or helpless, if you feel those two
• 1:45:56
  things combined, your risk of suicide is so high that that
• 1:46:01
  that's a red flag. That's when you need to get some
• 1:46:03
  help. Because if we don't have things
• 1:46:05
  that where we're going to look forward, that's yeah, your risk
• 1:46:08
  is just through the roof. And I've been to so many, I've
• 1:46:12
  been to hundreds in my career, and every one of them is one
• 1:46:17
  more than the needs to happen. Yeah.
• 1:46:19
  Agreed. Amen to that, man.
• 1:46:21
  That's Peter. He's Chris.
• 1:46:22
  I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in for
• 1:46:23
  Chris and Mike. Sure.
• 1:46:23
  You can find this episode on YouTube when it drops as well as
• 1:46:26
  Spotify have a podcast, etcetera.
• 1:46:28
  Although we were recording this live simultaneously on YouTube,
• 1:46:30
  which is kind of cool. We will drop a whole bunch of
• 1:46:33
  information about Peter so you can follow his podcast as well
• 1:46:35
  on our Facebook page. Give us a follow, give us a
• 1:46:37
  like. We love you all.
• 1:46:39
  Thank you very much, Peter, for being here.
• 1:46:40
  We truly appreciate. And and yeah, let's have you on
• 1:46:43
  again. Thanks guys.
• 1:46:45
  Sounds great. Feel the trail behind your eyes.
• 1:47:18
  Feel yourself and need yourself. Take a moment, look until you
• 1:47:27
  see it. Fight the battle and tear.
• 1:47:32
  Fight the battle. But you fuck will put you.
• 1:47:37
  Back there to your. Come down here, we haven't found
• 1:49:01
  solids in the sand. You can fuck fight him.
• 1:49:07
  Wait for the dead. Wait for the the wild you.
• 1:49:13
  Ain't. No creature.
• 1:49:18
  Quick on the almighty day. You got a dream.
• 1:49:24
  Who in your life to keep our soul in every man.
• 1:49:30
  Take the trail behind your eyes. Feel the soul, everyone.
• 1:49:36
  You shine now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:44
  yeah. Take
• 1:50:12
  a. Moment.
• 1:50:59
  The.