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Legally Brunette Presents: 'Til Death Do Us Part - Murder Trial on Island Time · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson with.
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  Speaker 2: Shane all Right.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about a case that it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't gotten a lot of notoriety yet. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: it's been in the news, but it hasn't really had
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  Speaker 1: like a global sensationalism to it yet. But I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's going to get bigger once she goes to trial.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a case of Lindsay Shiver. So Lindsay
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  Speaker 1: Shiver is a former. Here we go. She is a
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  Speaker 1: former what do you think it was?
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  Speaker 2: Cheerleader?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and beauty queen. So she's got both. She's got
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  Speaker 1: beauty queen and cheerleaders. So you can imagine the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: So she was a former Alabama beauty queen and cheerleader
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  Speaker 1: who was charged in a murder for higher plot against
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  Speaker 1: her husband, Robert Shiver, who is a former NFL player.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is already starting out good.
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  Speaker 1: You've got a former beauty queen, cheerlead, and an NFL player.
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  Speaker 2: And money and money, money's going to be in the mix.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, Robert filed for divorce when he found out
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  Speaker 1: that Lindsay was having an affair with a bartender in
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  Speaker 1: the Bahamas. The Shivers had a home in the Bahamas
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  Speaker 1: and traveled there frequently. Lindsay and Robert were in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of their contentious divorce, fighting over their three children,
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  Speaker 1: and they have a two point five million dollar sprawling
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  Speaker 1: mansion when the plot to kill her husband started to unravel.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's go through the timeline of this case.
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  Speaker 1: Have you heard about this case prior to us talking
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  Speaker 1: about it?
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  Speaker 2: So there was no murder that took place, right Robert.
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  Speaker 2: Robert is alive and well and presumably not with her
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  Speaker 2: and not with.
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  Speaker 1: Her, right, So let's get into a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 1: But how did you hear about it? Because the only
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  Speaker 1: reason I knew about.
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  Speaker 2: It is no, I heard about a year or so ago.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this has been going on for a while.
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  Speaker 2: She must have seen like a body camp footage on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube or something that showed some parts to it, or
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  Speaker 2: it just must have popped up somewhere, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: dive into it.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go through a timeline. So let's go back
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  Speaker 1: to August of two thousand and seven. This is when
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  Speaker 1: Robert and Lindsay they meeted a fitness class at Auburn University.
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  Speaker 1: Robert was a long snapper. What is a long snapper?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Football is that the guy that holds
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  Speaker 1: the ball and throws it between his legs to like
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  Speaker 1: the guy behind him.
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  Speaker 2: That's a term for that position. He's long a long snapper.
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  Speaker 1: He's a long snapper on the Auburn football team at
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  Speaker 1: the time, and Lindsay was a cheerleader. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: how cute. They married and went on to have three
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  Speaker 1: sons together. This is interesting. In twenty twenty, Lindsay posted
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  Speaker 1: a photo of them on Instagram with the caption quote,
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  Speaker 1: the key to a perfect marriage is having two imperfect
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  Speaker 1: people who refuse to give up on each other. So
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  Speaker 1: thankful for that fitness class thirteen years ago that brought
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  Speaker 1: us together and all of the love, laughter and life
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  Speaker 1: we have created ever since. See this is when you
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  Speaker 1: should probably just stay off of Instagram and not post
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  Speaker 1: things like that, because you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, whether they say say it, forget it, write it,
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  Speaker 2: regret it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't write it on Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else social media does, it doesn't go.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to come back.
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  Speaker 2: And even when all those famous people they delete it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, I'm going to delete that post. It
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  Speaker 2: doesn't go away. Now I just added to the story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they deleted it. Now let's interpret why they deleted it.
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  Speaker 1: So then in February of twenty twenty three, this is
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  Speaker 1: when the trouble starts to happen in the marriage. It
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  Speaker 1: becomes visible that their marriage is deteriorating. The family lives
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  Speaker 1: in Thomasville, Georgia. Robert is an executive vice president at
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  Speaker 1: Senior Life Insurance Company, and Lindsay is a stay at
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  Speaker 1: home mom. The family has one home in Georgia that
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  Speaker 1: is estimated to be two point five million, and they
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  Speaker 1: have a vacation home in the Bahamas. And they own
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  Speaker 1: a private jet. Look, I don't know if I believe
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  Speaker 1: that he owns the private jet. I think he comes
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  Speaker 1: from family money.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing is do they own a jet
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  Speaker 2: or do they just use private jets? Either way, they
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  Speaker 2: have access to a jet.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But I'm just gonna let's just talk about that
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  Speaker 1: for a second, because in order to own a private jet,
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  Speaker 1: you know how much it costs to own a private jet.
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  Speaker 2: And I've never had one.
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  Speaker 1: No, but your cousin is a flight attendant for a
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  Speaker 1: private jet for a man who is a billionaire who
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  Speaker 1: owns a jet very family. I'm just saying that when
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  Speaker 1: people she.
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  Speaker 2: Has been for like I think twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Five years, right, So I'm saying she has always told
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  Speaker 1: you that.
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  Speaker 2: She told me, well, yeah, but heard the family that
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  Speaker 2: she works for currently has a golf Stream six fifty, right,
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  Speaker 2: so there's different. It's a high yeah, it's a higher
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  Speaker 2: end one. I think she says they're going to replace
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  Speaker 2: it with a seven hundred something. But anyway, she told
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  Speaker 2: me that she was comfortable if a family had a
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  Speaker 2: net worth of two billion to be able to fund
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  Speaker 2: the jet. And I'm like two billion because she said,
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  Speaker 2: well this family was only one billion. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: that's and she goes no, and she's thinking job security,
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  Speaker 2: like they just bought this jet, they came into money.
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  Speaker 2: They have a billion dollars because they probably sold something,
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  Speaker 2: and so her concern was at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: year or two or whatever, they're going to realize this
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  Speaker 2: is too expensive right where it is burning money, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then she she loses their job. So she actually
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  Speaker 2: interviewed like the fan like do I want to work
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  Speaker 2: for you? Because do I want to commit to you?
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  Speaker 2: And it's it's a lot of money. Well, it's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: That was my point. My point is if you just
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  Speaker 1: if you own a two point five million dollar house,
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  Speaker 1: which sounds like a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Well I think the jet was like sixty seventy million.
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  Speaker 2: But you can have jets that are like yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: they have a jet that has a flight attendant. You
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  Speaker 2: don't need a flight attendent. You could have a jet
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  Speaker 2: that literally just holds like four or five people. What
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  Speaker 2: it comes down to is we will not be owning
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  Speaker 2: a jet anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: No, we will be because you have to manifest that.
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  Speaker 2: And I need you if I need your husband MAYBEFL player, I.
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  Speaker 1: Need yeah, well yeah, I need you to make that happen.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get back out to cheerleading and maybe you can
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  Speaker 2: have an NFL player.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. All right. So they vacationed in the
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  Speaker 1: Bahamas often, and that's where they owned a home there.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where Lindsay met Terence Bethel, who was
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  Speaker 1: a Bahamian bartender. I believe the bar is called Grabbers,
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  Speaker 1: and they began an affair. First of all, she's traveling
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  Speaker 1: to the Bahamas with her husband and kids, and then
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  Speaker 1: she meets someone in the Bahamas and has an affair. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know if it's just or maybe she
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  Speaker 1: was traveling there alone and had an affair. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: they're going back and forth to the Bahamas and she
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  Speaker 1: meets someone, a bartender in them.
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  Speaker 2: I think they did it on a check because now
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  Speaker 2: they have a house in the Bahamas and they go
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  Speaker 2: back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so you now believe they.
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  Speaker 2: Family probably had a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think it's family money anyway. April fifth
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, Robert files for divorce after learning
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  Speaker 1: about Lindsay's affair. He cites her adulterous conduct in the
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  Speaker 1: divorce filing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Usually you don't even do that. You just
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  Speaker 2: say irreconcilable differences.
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  Speaker 1: He says, adulterous conduct. So he's just putting it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what stay does this again? Remind me they're in
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  Speaker 2: joy So maybe in Georgia there's some laws where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you find fault in the divorce or something I
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  Speaker 2: said to it or something.
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  Speaker 1: Robert requests primary custody of their children. He wants the
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  Speaker 1: family home, and he wants a restraining order Lindsay files
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  Speaker 1: for divorce the very next day. See, I didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: this because he files for divorce first, which means he's
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  Speaker 1: the petitioner, and she has to respond to that divorce filing,
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  Speaker 1: which makes her the respondent. But then she files the
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  Speaker 1: very next day for divorce, which would make her the petitioner,
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  Speaker 1: and that and then.
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  Speaker 2: Hit the response to number.
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  Speaker 1: So now they have two filings out there. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: really understand that she counters that her relationship with Terence
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  Speaker 1: occurred after separation. Georgia family law. I'm going to assume
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  Speaker 1: Georgia is a fault state. California is a no fault state,
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  Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter if you. I'm going to guess
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  Speaker 1: Georgia is a fault state. And that's why she's trying
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  Speaker 1: to say in her filing.
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  Speaker 2: Courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they're racing there and she's saying she didn't have
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  Speaker 1: an adulterous affair until they were separated. She's like, let
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  Speaker 1: me make that clear for child support and for for
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  Speaker 1: spousal support reasons. She alleges that Robert physically and emotionally
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  Speaker 1: abused her and says that she no longer felt safe
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  Speaker 1: at home. I love how now when there's a divorce.
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  Speaker 1: She probably never claimed I'm all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, there's probably no record of any kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of physical abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: July sixteenth of twenty twenty three, Lindsay calls the police
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  Speaker 1: over a dispute about travel plans.
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  Speaker 2: Love.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure the police love to get calls like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they love it when they get a phone
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  Speaker 1: call about a domestic argument that has to do with
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  Speaker 1: whether she's allowed to take the private jet to the
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  Speaker 1: Bahamas or not. I'm sure they love that. She was
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  Speaker 1: planning to take the private jet with Robert and their
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  Speaker 1: sons to the Bahamas so that she could spend time
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  Speaker 1: with her boyfriend. I get it. He's like, you're not
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  Speaker 1: flying on my private jet with me and our sons,
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  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get off in the Bahamas and
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  Speaker 1: go off with your.
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  Speaker 2: Boys, shoe disguising it as I'm taking our kids on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: No, he was taking the boys on vacation. She was
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  Speaker 1: trying to just hop a ride to the house on
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  Speaker 1: the same jet so that she could then spend time
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  Speaker 1: with her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: She forgot the part that when you lead, when you
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  Speaker 2: want to divorce, right, you kind of got to reconfigure
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  Speaker 2: everything and it's not all.
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  Speaker 1: The same, right, so she was mad that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: gonna let her travel.
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  Speaker 2: Also want like season tickets and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Still, of course she does the same night, Robert is
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  Speaker 1: photographed with another woman in the Bahamas and the photos
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  Speaker 1: are sent to Lindsey. You know, that's what happens when
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  Speaker 1: they probably you know, they live in Thomasville, Georgia. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the size of that, but it's probably a
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  Speaker 1: small town. I'm sure they're well known. He's a former
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  Speaker 1: football player. They have money, you know, they live in
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  Speaker 1: a big house. This guy is just going out, right,
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  Speaker 1: he's going out with the girlfriend and he and people
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  Speaker 1: are out there taking photos of him out with a
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  Speaker 1: new girl, and they're texting it to her. So then
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  Speaker 1: she gets livid, right, she's mad that he's out with
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  Speaker 1: another woman. Prosecutors claim that that same evening, she sent
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  Speaker 1: a whats App a message to a group chat with
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Terrence Bethel.
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  Speaker 2: This is what used for anything other than like scandalous affairs.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't really understand what's app. I
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  Speaker 1: have it on my phone and if I actually looked
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  Speaker 1: at the app, it probably has eight thousand and you know,
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  Speaker 1: so have it because when we were in Dubai, people
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  Speaker 1: only used WhatsApp, and in Dubai.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember that. Who were you talking to WhatsApp?
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  Speaker 1: A bartender? See you're happy a bartender. No, it's when
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  Speaker 1: we went to Dubai. I met some of the housewives
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  Speaker 1: from Dubai and we had lunch and they only communicated via.
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  Speaker 2: The international thing too as well.
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  Speaker 1: So they told me that's how they communicate it. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I have it on my phone. You can
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  Speaker 1: look at it.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing, probably like she never replies, Oh, it's like
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  Speaker 2: five years ago, right.
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  Speaker 1: Prosecutors claim that the same evening that she sent a
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  Speaker 1: WhatsApp message to a group chat with her boyfriend Terrence
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  Speaker 1: Bethel and his associate. I guess this is his best friend.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Farren Newbolt Junior, and she includes a photo
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  Speaker 1: of Robert with the words kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Was there any punctuation with it?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that, like an exclamation point like emoji,
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  Speaker 1: or like my laughing like a laughing emoji. July of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This is how this all comes about
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  Speaker 1: and how this all surfaces. So the police are investigating
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  Speaker 1: this is in the Bahamas. The police are investigating an
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  Speaker 1: unrelated break in at Grabber's Bar and Grill in the Bahamas.
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  Speaker 1: This is where her boyfriend works and where he's a bartender.
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  Speaker 1: The police are searching the employee's phones and stumble upon
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  Speaker 1: the What's App messages. So while they're investigating some burglary
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  Speaker 1: that happened at this bar where her boyfriend works, I
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  Speaker 1: guess they confiscated everyone's phone as evidence and they're searching
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  Speaker 1: everyone's phone and text messages and What's app message to you.
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  Speaker 2: Those investigators in any case, when they get someone's phone,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to look through it and they see a
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  Speaker 2: What's App app, they're like, oh, this is where the
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  Speaker 2: good stuff is. Yeah, and they go straight to that.
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  Speaker 1: Or the Snap the snaps That's where.
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  Speaker 2: The good stuff is, right or yeah Snap?
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  Speaker 1: Do you have Snap?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: I don't either.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any social media. They're on Instagram. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I have Instagram, and I have Facebook, which I don't
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  Speaker 2: check often. And I have TikTok to see if anyone's
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  Speaker 2: talking trash on you. Oh my gosh, you check. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's Annabel's TikTok. I just once a week. I
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  Speaker 2: just like go on it and see if there's anything
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  Speaker 2: interesting in there.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you get on her TikTok on my phone? And
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  Speaker 1: how do you see?
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to create one.
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  Speaker 1: How do you see if people are talking trash about me?
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  Speaker 2: I look up all your friends.
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  Speaker 1: You asked my friends? What do you mean my friends,
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  Speaker 1: not my aquaintances. My acquaintances, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, former colleagues.
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  Speaker 1: So Linda's I.
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  Speaker 2: Gon't ask if you don't want the answer, right.
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Shiver, Terrence Bethel and Far and Nubel Junior are
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  Speaker 1: all arrested. Prosecutors later claimed that Lindsay made a verbal
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  Speaker 1: confession during questioning. I don't know more about this verbal confession.
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  Speaker 1: I've tried to find more information on it. But because
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  Speaker 1: this trial is going to happen soon, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the information and the information, the more detailed information about
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  Speaker 1: this case is not being made public. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of info out there, but there's a lot of general
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  Speaker 1: info about procedurally about bail and you know when the
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  Speaker 1: trial is supposed to take place. Because one of my
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  Speaker 1: one of my biggest questions was is there more text
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  Speaker 1: messages about this conspiracy to kill him? Or is it
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  Speaker 1: just a photo of him with the words kill him.
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  Speaker 1: There has to be more.
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  Speaker 2: To be, you have to explain. To be a conspiracy,
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  Speaker 2: there needs to be more than just let's kill him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yes, but we're talking about Muhamma law, so I
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  Speaker 1: would assume, well, in the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about just general law. Like the general
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  Speaker 2: concept of a conspiracy requires some type of overt act
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  Speaker 2: among the agreement to commit a crime.
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  Speaker 1: So in the United States, in order to be prosecuted
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  Speaker 1: for a type of conspiracy, there has to be a plan,
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  Speaker 1: a meeting of the minds between the co conspirators. But
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  Speaker 1: then in addition to that, there has to be an
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  Speaker 1: overt act towards the actual commission of a crime. Going
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  Speaker 1: to a Walmart and going to the kill the kill kit,
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  Speaker 1: the kill isle, the kill kit isle, or hiring a
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  Speaker 1: driver getaway driver, or even purchasing poisonous seeds online. Any
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  Speaker 1: type of overt act towards the commission of the crime
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  Speaker 1: is needed in order for there to be a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: So my question is this is the Bahamas. They're being
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  Speaker 1: tried for conspiracy to commit murder. There has to be
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  Speaker 1: more than just I see.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the only way they met in person
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  Speaker 2: that that might be arguably an overt act. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 2: if I don't know if she sent him any money,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to buy to buy the supplies or something
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  Speaker 2: that could be. I looked it up last night because
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  Speaker 2: I remember you saying kill him, like that's all there is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And well that's all they're disclosing.
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  Speaker 2: That's all. So we learned that that's all that they're
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  Speaker 2: disclosing right now. There is more text messages, there's a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just not releasing it. So that's all we
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  Speaker 2: can talk about is kill me, kill or kill not
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  Speaker 2: kill me? Kill me. It would have been better then
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  Speaker 2: we then we would be done with this case.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's kill him, kill him and a photo?
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  Speaker 2: How would you How would you feel of like if I.
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  Speaker 1: Saw that if you sent a photo of me to someone,
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  Speaker 1: but kill her?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, hey, we look at the Shane's phoney
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: he says kill her and it's a it's a photo
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: of you holding an orange? What is this?
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it would happen. It would depend
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a lot upon who who you send it to. Are
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you sending it to some random man that has a
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: criminal record that I don't know about?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you mean there's someone I could send it to
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: that that would be okay.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like if you send it to my
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: sister or something like that, I guess I would feel like.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Think I'm having an affair with your sister, like it's
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: nothing any better. There's no scenario where I should say
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: kill her.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, but maybe if there's a laughing
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: emoji ha ha.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well we're on the podcast, so you're trying to
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: make light of it, but if it was in real life,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: you would I would be dead before that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Is there anyone else saw that to absolutely?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: So?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Then we get to August of twenty twenty three. Lindsay
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: is released on one hundred thousand dollars bail, and the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: men each have twenty thousand each for their bail. Lindsay's
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: conditions include an ankle monitor, daily curfew, three police check
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: ins per week, and surrendering her passport. She gives her
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: first public comments to the New York Posts, say it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: been really tough. Then in October of twenty twenty three,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: all three appear in the Bahamas courtroom. Lindsay's lawyer pushes
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: to speed things up, but proceedings are postponed to December.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors say the indictment is not yet complete. Then we
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: move on to December of twenty twenty three. All three
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: plead not guilty, and the trial is set for March
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: fourth of twenty twenty four. A judge later allows Lindsay
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: to travel to Alabama for Christmas and remain there until
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: her trial, but bars her from Georgia except for custody
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: divorce hearings, and requires that she stays one hundred feet
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: away from Robert at all times. Prosecutors reveal in court
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: that she confessed to police. I'm still interested in this confession.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I want to know what it is exactly that she said,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: but obviously we're not going to find out until she
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: goes to trial.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Well, so she does confess.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they alleged. Prosecutors have alleged that she confessed to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: police after she was arrested. But I don't know what
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: this confession is. I don't know under what circumstances. I mean,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was she you know, and I mean we've had lots
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of cases with false confessions before, so I don't know
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: what the circuit was at three o'clock in the morning
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: after she'd you know, been asked questions for you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know who knows what the circumstances
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: were of this confession.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Was she having withdrawals from a private jet?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Right, so she was under duress maybe.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: In January of twenty twenty four, Lindsay's lawyers alleged that
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Robert is withholding access to their three children, saying that
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: she'd had no contact since a FaceTime call it Christmas,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and that he has cut her off access to finances.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Of course he has. He doesn't want to pay for
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: her she tried to kill him, or he thinks she
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: tried to kill or he's aware that there was a
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: conspiracy to try to kill him enough.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: For me to like cut You are not contribute anymore
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: financially or do any Yeah, you text someone, you say
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: kill him. I'm not buying you any more snacks and
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: brying it by the bed, and I'm not bringing your
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: towel to the bathtub, and I'm not doing anything.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: You're not doing all the things that you normally do. No, well,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I can I can say.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: With it, and you're not flying in my private jet, all.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Right, I can say with one hundred percent certainty that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in the seventeen years we have been married. I have
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: never texted a photo of you with the words kill
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: him to anyone.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I'll believe it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So you can feel safe. You could feel safe in that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: You know, as I was researching this case, this is enough,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and have you.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Done torture him? No? I want to kill him, get
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: him out of my life, anything along those lines.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing about murder. Maybe like he's annoying me, something like that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just kidding.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That's a given.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: All right. This is another twist in this case that
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: when I was researching it, I was like, well, that's interesting.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So in February of twenty twenty four, Robert this is
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the husband you know that had the hit out on
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: him allegedly, and Savannah Chrisley go public as a couple
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: at a Nashville event public appearance together. So you know
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: who Savannah Christly is. She was on the the reality show.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I only know the name because they were in prison.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, and we did an episode on them. As far
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: as all we did, yes, we did.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: How are they doing, well, they're out of prison now, Okay,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: do we do it when they were in prison?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: No, we did it when they were released.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: When they got out yeah, okay.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: March six of twenty twenty four is when the trial
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was originally set, but it's been postponed to that summer.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Lindsay must still appear for pre trial hearings in May
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and June. Then when we get to July of twenty
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: twenty four, the trial is delayed again.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: This is the based on I don't know, but I
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: mean island time.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: It's exactly, it's island time.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Everyone showed up late and they're like.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe next summer you can go on trial.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we gotta bunch. We got a cruise liner coming
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: in this weekend. They're a little busy.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So then we get to talk to we're of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Lindsey and Bethel, this is the boyfriend
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: appear on Good Morning America and Inside Edition claiming their innocence.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what attorney she has said. That was
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a good idea. I don't know why she's doing any
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: kind of media or any kind of press, but they
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: went on Good Morning America.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: That's Good Morning America having like criminal suspects on there.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That's weird.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I saw the interview with him,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend, and it was a very short snippet. They
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: interview him and he says that he's innocent and that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: he had nothing to do with it and there was
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: no conspiracy and they weren't going to kill the husband.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, he's looking like, is.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: He trying to clear his name publicly because that's not
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: going to help him with court in any way.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I believe it was just and.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I would want to keep it private.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Then we get to November of twenty twenty four, their
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: bond appeal is denied and they remain in custody. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: this is because the judge was not happy that they
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: went on Good Morning America and Inside Edition.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see there we go, right, So they got.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: In trouble for that. So she has to remain in custody.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Then in just number of twenty twenty four, the appeals
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: court keeps them in custody pending trial. Then we get
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to February of twenty twenty five, Lindsay is released again
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: under the original bail conditions and the trial is delayed
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: again for a fourth time. This really is island time,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Like this really is just like we'll get to you some.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Day maybe, but that that could benefit you if you're
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: not in custody. Yeah, but if you're in custody, that sucks.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Right, But if you're not, then you're just out, yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: living your best life like normal.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I wonder what the jail's like in the Mamas, you know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: is it like all inclusive? I did they have a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: view of the fruit the ocean?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: A lot of pineapple and mango. December first of twenty
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five, Lindsay Shiber requests for her ankle monitor to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: be removed so she's out on bail. Now, remember that they's.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Not the last thing they should be removing. They got
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to keep tabs on. That's suspicions. Someone to take this
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: tracking device. Can you have it removed?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she claims that she wants the ankle monitor removed
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: because she claims that she's worn the GPS tracker for
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more than two years while waiting her trial, and argues
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that it causes painful bruises, it affects her sleep, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it deeply embarrasses her sons, and she's unable to go
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to the beach because the device can't get wet. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: it's really, well that makes sense, Yeah, I mean she
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: can't go to the beach.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't actually kill someone. She just wanted to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: kill someone.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Right, she was just planning.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Lindsay also claims it prevents her from accepting modeling and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: influencer job offers, which she claims are necessary to support
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: herself and pay her mounting legal fees. And remember, her
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: husband cut off her finances, which I don't know if
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you're allowed to do this again is Georgia and we're
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: talking family law?
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Well no, no, well, I mean I know.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: They're going through the divorce preceding freeze.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: But if he has more income coming, that's not hers
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: if it is, but yeah, you have to maintain the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: status quo.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Right, which I assume that he probably has to do,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: so it's probably she.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Probably considers the private jet the status quo.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Probably, so when we get to and also, can we
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: just talk about what modeling and influencer jobs does she
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: have being offered to her? I mean, she's has an
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: ankle monitor on because she has to go to trial
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: in the Bahamas for the conspiracy to commit murder to
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: kill her husband.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, secrets are safe here.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: What what I want to know? What modeling jobs or
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what influencer jobs are really being offered to this woman?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: That should Instagram account.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you're going to look it up. Lindsay
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Shiverer Lindsay Shiver So according this was difficult to find.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But according to the Nassau Guardian, her trial is due,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: well it's their trial because all three of them are
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: going on trial, but it is due to start next
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: month in July. Yeah, that's her, that's her. Yeah, Shane
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: found her on Instagram. It's Lindsay s Siver going to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: friend request her.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: No, she has eighty two hundred and ninety five followers
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and she.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And ninety five Yeah, what kind of influencing and collapse.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: But it is also private. She has three boys, right, yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that's the three Blue Hearts, and then she's following twenty
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: twenty five hundred and one people.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The Bahamas uses a British common law system and the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: US also uses common law, but the two have diverged
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: significantly over the time. So in the Bahamas that uses
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a jury system. Serious criminal cases can be tried before
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a judge alone or with a jury, but the jury
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: size and deliberation rules differ, and the US defendants have
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a constitutional right to a jury of twelve peers and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in most states a unanimous verdict is required. However, Bahamian
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: juries can return a majority verdict, so basically that's all
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: we need in her case, is a majority.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Do we say how many jury members?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: We don't know how many jury members. I know you
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: were from requesting her right now.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I was checking to see if she accepted it yet.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well in a few minutes where a Well.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: In future episodes, I will update it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, except I'm sure people are waiting with baited breath
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: as to whether Lindsay Shiver is going to accept you on.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: This is probably the first time Shane's ever sent a
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: friend request.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in probably ten years.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I think the last time you post it on Instagram was.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I don't have any friends. I might now.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: As Lindsay's case showed, the Bahaman system is notably stricter
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about pre trial publicity. Her bail was revoked for her
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: appearing on Good Morning America and Inside Edition, something that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: would be a much heavier lift for a US court
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to do. Given the First Amendment protections, US defendants generally
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: have broader free speech rights while awaiting trial. That's interesting
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: because that's why I feel like there's not much information
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: about when her trial is and about the evidence and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what the prosecution has as far as the conspiracy, I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: think they are much stricter about what gets out there
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: about pre trial publicity. It reminds me of when we
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: did the case on the Switzerland the model.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Remember the part about it though, Well, just the.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Fact that Switzerland didn't allow any type of publicity either
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and whenever they even kept the husband. That makes us
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Trash, Like the US is like Netflix documentaries all of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the place, right.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, it's trial by media. That's what we always say
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: when we talk about the US. I mean, people have
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: make a decision based upon being people being put all
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: over the cover of magazines. And you know, I always
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: refer back to Amanda Knox. I mean that girl was
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: guilty no matter what happened in the trial, the way
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they presented her in the media, Foxy Noxye. Bahamian sentencing
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for conspiracy to commit murder can carry up to sixty years,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: which is a very stiff penalty with fewer of the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: sentencing guidelines and parole structures common in the US system.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: This is key to Lindsay's case because the alleged crime
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: occurred in the Bahamas, so the US has no criminal
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: jurisdiction over it. Even though both Lindsay and Robert are
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: American citizens, it doesn't matter. The crime occurred in the Bahamas.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: That's the jurisdiction. So she's going to be tried in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: the Bahamas.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder if that's favorable for her. I'm gonna
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: guess not.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know it's not because remember like the case, Well,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it was an incident where people would like someone had
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: a bullet in his duffel bag, like because he was
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a hunter and so I was like stray bullets all
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the time, I guess, And he had a stray bullet
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: like in his duffel bag and he won a vacation
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: to Turks and Kiicos. And there's like a stiff penalty.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It's like ten years or something for ammunition and he
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: didn't know, right, And that's like stiff, like hardcore, and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: it's like no exceptions. Yeah, of course they made an
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: exception because the US went in there and kind of helped.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: But I don't know, are the Bahamas like super strict
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: because I think these touristy type islands are very strict.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That's the way they keep peace and keep the tourism.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Right, right. They don't want criminals.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: They want Because I was thinking, we're going to the Bahamas,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and I was kind of thinking make sure that you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: because if we brought like medication, is that I would
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: be very weary after learning about Turks and Kikos and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: now Bahamas.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, here's the question, though, is the jury you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: this is a it's not really a jury of her
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: peers because these are these are Bahamian people that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Are going to be traveling through.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: SHE'SUS traveling through and she's this wealthy woman from the US.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So they might have judgments about her like who is
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: this lady coming in here?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And if they see the video of her being pissed
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: off that she doesn't get to ride on the private
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: jet to go visit her boyfriend at Grabber's bar, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna think highly very sympathetic, right, very exactly sympathetic.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: That's a good word. She cannot be tried for the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: same crime in the US after a Bahamian verdict due
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to double jeopardy principles, So.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Whatever the actually that plies internationally, Yeah, I guess so. Yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So double jeopardy is when it's the same set of
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: facts and you're being charged for the same crime on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: in a second trial.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So if she's found not guilty in the Bahamas, she
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: can't be tried in the United States for a conspiracy
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to kill her husband. That's a double jeopardy rule. So
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, if she goes to Jay, if she committed
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the crime and she's sentenced, then what's the matter?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, all right, Well, we will continue to follow
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the case of Lindsay Shiver, and we will continue to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: follow the case of whether she approves Shane's his Instagram
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: from requests or not. So we will we will let
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know. Do you have any other thoughts? Do you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: have any final thoughts on Lindsay Shiver and whether she
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: should be Do you think that she should spend prison time?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But we don't know that was said.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Well see if okay, if she had just sent a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: photograph said kill him? Yeah, well, well who was on
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: the other end, Like what was the.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Relationship boyfriend and her boyfriend's friend.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So not like a professional hit man or people that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a history. I don't feel that she had a romantic
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: interest in right and a friend in front. So if
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: she just said kill him and nothing else, and those
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: people don't have a violent pass and she doesn't bad choice, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: it could have led into a conspiracy or some crime.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that's enough.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think so either house grounds for a divorce
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: though that absolutely grounds for a divorce, probably not grounds
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: for prison time. No, However, there are more facts in
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this case that we are just unaware of that have
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: not been made public. But based upon what's been made public,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: then I would say no that it's not enough for
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: her to go to prison.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Would they release just that?
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they did?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: They enough to say that's why we're keeping her, so
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: leave us alone.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I guess, maybe just to give the public enough to
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: maybe so there's not backlash.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: As we like a little teaser.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a yeah, a teaser. I like that,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a trailer of what's to come.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, Now, if she was inconvenienced with an ankle monitor, yes,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and upset that she couldn't fly privately, right, how will
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: she feel about being in jail in the Bahamas? Right?
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: She's not going to be happy about that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And we know she's on bail, right, Yeah, And does
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: she have to stay in the Bahamas?
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: No? She is on bail I believe, in Alabama, so she.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Is able to return to her hometown.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: No, her home, she lives in Georgia with her husband,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: but I believe her family is from Alabama.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, so she's in Alabama with an ankle mind, she.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Is in Alabama with an ankle monitor.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: But she also got she wants to go to the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: beach in Alabama.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also got in trouble by the judge
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: because when she was in Alabama, she was supposed to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: stay with like her parents, I believe, But she moved
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: around a lot of different places. And I know the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: boyfriend was also supposed.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: To be thenen So the thing's in Covenia keeps telling
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: me I can't go here and I can't go there.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Right, she wants to move around freely. The boyfriend was
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: also admonished by the judge, I believe, and that's why
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: his bail was revoked because he also was supposed to
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: check in three times or something, and he wasn't checking
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in as much as he was supposed to. Anyway, they're
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: not abiding by these rules as to being allowed to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: be out on bail. Anyway. We will continue to follow
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: this story. I do believe hopefully she is going to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: go on trial soon, and I do believe when she
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: goes on trial, I feel like there'll be more of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a media frenzy around this case.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: They'll be well, there's more to release. You can't do
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: a documentary on kill him, No, you can't. No.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: But but once there's more information, once she goes to trial,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: once all the facts start to come out, I feel
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: like this case will be sensationalized and we will hear
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a lot more about it. So we will continue to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: follow it and we will follow the trial. Hopefully she
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: actually goes a trial, but it's been delayed for two
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: years now. But anyway, all right, thank you guys so
• 33:40
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