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Hutton & Withrow: SEC Cracks Down on Lane Kiffin, College Football Week Zero & the NFL’s Pro Bowl Future · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on sport and state
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  Speaker 1: alongside Chad Withrow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jonathan Hutton.
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  Speaker 1: It's Hutton and Withrow this morning. Glad you're with us
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  Speaker 1: on this Thursday edition. Chad, hope you're well, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Hutton. I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to bang some hats on a Thursday. Explain
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  Speaker 1: to everyone what bang hats means.
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  Speaker 2: Banging hats is the time of day. When you look
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  Speaker 2: down at your clock, Hutton, and it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a college football Saturday here this Saturday. Yep. Could be
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  Speaker 2: a Friday night for a lot of high schoolers out there.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt. And you start to look around, you look
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  Speaker 2: at that clock, and you say, boy, oh, boy, what
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  Speaker 2: time is it? Oh, it's about time to bang some hats.
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  Speaker 2: And when it's time to bang some hats, it's time
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  Speaker 2: to strap on. It's time to put the helmet on,
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  Speaker 2: and it's time to literally bang hats, hats being a
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  Speaker 2: football helmet. And that's just the mentality that we carry
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  Speaker 2: here on the show, Hutton. It's a football season mentality,
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  Speaker 2: but we carry it through all 12 months of the year.
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  Speaker 1: I think you came up with this sitting next to
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  Speaker 1: Dick LeBeau. I'm being serious. I think this was at
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  Speaker 1: Titans training camp years ago with Dick LeBeau.
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  Speaker 2: I have to give my buddy Chris Green credit for
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  Speaker 2: the line because this was probably around 2006, 2007-2007. pretty
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  Speaker 2: fresh out of college, back for a Tennessee game. I
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  Speaker 2: want to say it was a Tennessee-Georgia game in Knoxville
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  Speaker 2: at some point, probably 07. And we're at the tailgate,
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  Speaker 2: and he's looking around. He's like, boys, it's about hat-banging
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  Speaker 2: time by my watch. When he looked at his watch,
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  Speaker 2: by my watch, it's about time to bang some hats.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where it originated with me. Dick LeBeau probably
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  Speaker 2: has said this for about 60 years before that even happened.
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  Speaker 2: So we've got to give ultimate credit to the great
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  Speaker 2: Dick LeBeau. Man, what a legend.
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  Speaker 1: And he's a former actor, a guitar player. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot we could get into with the.
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. Friend of Michael Caine, the great Michael Caine.
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  Speaker 2: Sir Michael Caine, did they.
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  Speaker 1: Knight him also? I believe he was knighted at some point.
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  Speaker 1: He was the stunt double for Michael Caine. And he
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  Speaker 1: taught us how to speak Cockney. He did.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: How could we forget? He said, my cocaine is how
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  Speaker 1: you say Michael Caine.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. A man of many talents, Dick LeBeau.
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  Speaker 2: But he knew when it was time to bang hats.
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  Speaker 2: And every morning, 8 a.m. Eastern Time, 7 a.m. Central,
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  Speaker 2: that is our time to bang hats. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're going to do today. It's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: fun show. SEC banging some hats, man. They're getting tough, Chad,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden. The SEC has really come off
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  Speaker 2: the top rope and decided that, you know, we are
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  Speaker 2: going to have some teeth to what we're doing. We
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  Speaker 2: are going to actually do something about people who are
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  Speaker 2: breaking our own rules. Instead of just sitting back and saying, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, our hands are tied. There's really nothing we
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  Speaker 2: can do. The SEC has decided to play ball against
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin. And I want to reiterate this. This is
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  Speaker 2: not a sport wide problem. As of right now, this
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  Speaker 2: is a Lane Kiffin issue that Lane Kiffin has tried
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  Speaker 2: to turn into something that is, you know, it's something different.
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  Speaker 2: This is about the sport. We're just sitting here playing
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  Speaker 2: along with everything else going on. It was Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 2: who initiated the players to go and sue the states
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  Speaker 2: or to sue through state courts to try to get
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  Speaker 2: eligible to come back. So Greg Sankey, that first time
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  Speaker 2: we asked the question, is he going to do anything
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  Speaker 2: about it, where the Big Ten came back and said,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to allow it. No one's permitted to
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  Speaker 2: go sign a pro contract and come back in any sport.
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  Speaker 2: And the first response, the first statement from the SEC,
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  Speaker 2: if you remember, two days ago was, we don't like it,
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  Speaker 2: we hate it, but we got to wait for Congress
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  Speaker 2: to act with the Protect College Sports Act. It's another
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  Speaker 2: example why that needs to happen. Then last night or yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: they come back and say, no, we're not going to
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  Speaker 2: allow it either. During the show yesterday, we were asking,
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  Speaker 2: what's the penalty going to be? Because if it's just
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  Speaker 2: a fine, we know that Lane Kiffin and Will Wade,
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  Speaker 2: let's put it on LSU right now. It's the Death
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  Speaker 2: Star in Baton Rouge, okay? LSU fans can say whatever
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  Speaker 2: they want. You stand for everything that's wrong in college sports, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Let's just put that out there and be honest about it.
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  Speaker 2: Everything that every college football or college sports purist loves,
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  Speaker 2: you are against with your coaches right now and Lane
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  Speaker 2: Kiffin and Will Wade. I couldn't say that any more strongly,
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  Speaker 2: but it's absolutely true. And I'm not saying they're terrible
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  Speaker 2: people and not everyone else in college football wouldn't consider
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  Speaker 2: doing those things too. But you are the instigator. You
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  Speaker 2: are the first one to think about these things. You're
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  Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of being sleazy when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to this sport.
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  Speaker 1: Kim Mulkey wants to be represented as well, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: Kim Mulkey Hutton is bringing in a Russian 6'5 center
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  Speaker 2: with a Ukrainian already on her roster, prompting the Ukrainian
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  Speaker 2: player to leave the team immediately. before her Russian counterpart,
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  Speaker 2: that they are fighting in a war, joins the team.
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  Speaker 2: Kim Mulkey will probably argue that she's trying to solve
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  Speaker 2: world peace by doing this. But in fact, she didn't
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  Speaker 2: even think about it, I'm sure, when she did that.
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  Speaker 1: They're bringing down the hammer on these penalties, though, the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: Half-season suspension for head coaches. SEC voting privileges revoked on
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  Speaker 2: business matters for the school in violation of the rule.
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  Speaker 2: A hefty fine, 50% of that sport's annual operating budget
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  Speaker 2: will be the fine. I mean, that's a death blow.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that Jim Harbaugh would do on his
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  Speaker 1: way out.
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  Speaker 2: The league retains the right to levy other penalties by
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  Speaker 2: Greg Sankey and or SEC presidents, chancellors, if necessary. So
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  Speaker 2: this is huge, Hutton. I mean, this is... This makes
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  Speaker 2: it impossible for someone to try to roster a player
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  Speaker 2: that played in the pros. Totally.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible based on these guidelines and rules. I'm a
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  Speaker 1: bit disappointed in the SEC, though, and here's why.
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  Speaker 2: The Big Ten.
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  Speaker 1: This is the first time in a while I've seen
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  Speaker 1: the SEC reactionary to what the Big Ten was doing.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like the Big Ten started the reaction here
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  Speaker 1: by the SEC. Had it not been for the way
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten reacted, we would have just watched LSU play.
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  Speaker 2: Add these players.
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  Speaker 1: Instead, this is coming over the top to emphasize whatever
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  Speaker 1: Petitti and the conference of the Big Ten has said.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's very rare that I see the
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  Speaker 1: SEC and Sankey react to a Big Ten decision, and
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  Speaker 1: this was that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how else to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: So the biggest example, it's a great point, Hudden. I
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  Speaker 2: think the biggest example I can think of of reactionary
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  Speaker 2: move is the SEC's move with COVID. Because if you remember,
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten was like, we're canceling. Yeah, we're not playing.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Warren basically had to leave after that happened. It
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  Speaker 2: was so bad. We're not going to have a season.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to abide by Tony Fauci and everyone else
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  Speaker 2: who's telling us not to do anything. So we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to have a season. We can't play football. We've
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  Speaker 2: talked personally with Greg Sankey about this whole process where
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  Speaker 2: he went to his team and all of the doctors
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  Speaker 2: and everything and said, Give me a reason how we
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  Speaker 2: can play. Give me the solutions. Don't tell me that
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  Speaker 2: we can't. Look for solutions as to how we could play,
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  Speaker 2: how we could do it safely, how we could do
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  Speaker 2: this and that, right? The SEC found a way, and
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  Speaker 2: they announced they're going to have this season. Well, then
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  Speaker 2: the Big Ten was forced to change course and have
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  Speaker 2: a season, right? It was limited, more limited than the SEC,
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  Speaker 2: but they had a season. That was the Big Ten admitting, boy,
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  Speaker 2: we look really bad here. The SEC got it right.
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  Speaker 2: We got to do something about it, and they changed course.
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  Speaker 2: for that reason. In matters of discipline, Hutton, the SEC
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  Speaker 2: is often far behind, and I love the SEC, but
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  Speaker 2: let's be real about it. If it comes to anything
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  Speaker 2: that limits their coaches and their ability to go get
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  Speaker 2: top talent, the SEC is not going to be the
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  Speaker 2: trailblazer that's going to levy penalties against teams or coaches.
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  Speaker 2: The SEC is the trailblazer when it comes to, let's
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  Speaker 2: have our own network that's going to make a ton
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  Speaker 2: of money. Let's partner with one network in ESPN and
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  Speaker 2: and make sure that we are the monopoly of this
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  Speaker 2: major sports network. Yeah, we'll let the university handle their stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a conference championship game, you know, back in
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  Speaker 2: the day. Like all the different money-making ways. Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 2: make money. The SEC, they're always first in that, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's everyone else reacting to the SEC. But, Hutton, when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to let's do what's right for the integrity
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  Speaker 2: of the sport, it's never the SEC leading the way
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  Speaker 2: or being the trailblazer. It's never the SEC coming up
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  Speaker 2: with the perfect discipline. In this case, you are 1,000% right.
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  Speaker 2: It was the Big Ten that set the agenda with
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  Speaker 2: what they said. Greg Sink and the SEC, they looked
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  Speaker 2: toothless with that first statement. And then he got all
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  Speaker 2: the presidents together and said, guys, we all know this
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  Speaker 2: is ridiculous. We've got to do something about it. I
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  Speaker 2: give them credit for doing it. Even if it was slow,
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  Speaker 2: even if it was reactionary, it's better to do something
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  Speaker 2: than to sit back and be stubborn and do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So I like what the SEC's done here. I think
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  Speaker 2: it makes it impossible to do anything. for Lane Kiffin
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  Speaker 2: to bring these guys on. I think it makes it
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  Speaker 2: impossible for Will Wade to bring on R.J. Luis or
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  Speaker 2: anyone else, even after their emotional courtroom hug when he
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  Speaker 2: got granted the injunction to possibly play at LSU. So
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  Speaker 2: this is a good thing for the SEC. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a good thing for college sports.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think the same thing would happen if this
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  Speaker 1: were any other coach in the SEC other than Lane Kiffin?
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  Speaker 2: I do. Because I think Sankey is just done with him.
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  Speaker 2: I do because I think it still would have been
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  Speaker 2: the reaction of the Big Tens. Let's say this was
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  Speaker 2: Kirby Smart, who I think Greg Sankey gets along with
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  Speaker 2: really well and has won multiple national titles on behalf
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  Speaker 2: of the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go further down.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: Just a team that's not competing for a title that
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  Speaker 1: is just scrapping and clawing to try to make their
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  Speaker 1: way to the next tier in the conference. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to view it from, is this because it's the level
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  Speaker 1: that it is? I think that does play some into it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it would have happened the same way. And
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  Speaker 2: here's why. It makes a bigger difference because it's Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly. But the big story when all this broke was,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, take the name. out, take Daquan Wright out
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  Speaker 2: of the name or TJ Harden or whoever it was
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  Speaker 2: in big, bold print NFL player trying to go back
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  Speaker 2: to college football to play another year. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It was NFL rostered player Rosenhouse, someone who just had
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  Speaker 1: two sacks, you know, the guy from, from LSU.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. guys who just carried the ball in NFL preseason games,
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  Speaker 2: they all decided to come out. And they're going to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: this guy went through the early process. It's different, guys.
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  Speaker 2: It's different. And if we keep just pushing this thing
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  Speaker 2: further and further along, we talked a couple days ago
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  Speaker 2: about the ramifications of eventually of if you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get an injunction, if you find one willing judge to
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  Speaker 2: do it, what's to stop a guy who's got to
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  Speaker 2: retire at 28 from the NFL, who's got six or
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  Speaker 2: seven years under his belt that said, hey, I left
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  Speaker 2: after my junior year. I got my fourth and fifth
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  Speaker 2: year left based on the NCAA eligibility. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: sue in this state and I'm going to go and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a star in college again. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's that dream we all have every so often of
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  Speaker 2: going back as a grown person. And how would you
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  Speaker 2: handle high school all over again? How would you handle
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  Speaker 2: this situation as an adult? How would you play in
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  Speaker 2: that sport if you were in your late 20s, right,
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  Speaker 2: instead of being a high school kid? It's the same
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  Speaker 2: for college. It's the same dream that I'm sure a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ex-college athletes have that would want to come
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  Speaker 2: back to the sport. So the SEC and the Big
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  Speaker 2: Ten are going to lead the way. We've seen the
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  Speaker 2: Big 12 now. We've seen other conferences come along and say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we're not going to allow it either. But it was
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  Speaker 2: necessary for those two leagues to do something about it
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  Speaker 2: and to stop it. And I'm glad they did. Kudos
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  Speaker 2: to the Big Ten for being the leader in this one, Hutton,
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  Speaker 2: but I am glad the SEC eventually followed along. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you know what?
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  Speaker 1: The fact that it's LSU and Kiffin makes it easier
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  Speaker 1: for all the presidents to sign off on this.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: That makes it very simple, but signs still delivered. These
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  Speaker 1: are the harsh penalties because it's not my coach, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I know LSU abstained from the vote or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but as you would expect.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the example, Hutton. What if it was Nick Saban?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what if this was a couple years ago,
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  Speaker 2: a few years back, and Nick Saban was still the
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  Speaker 2: coach and he was the one saying, hey, you've got
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  Speaker 2: no legal standing here. You know, this has happened in
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  Speaker 2: all of the sport. I'm going to do it. Would
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  Speaker 2: it have been more difficult for the SEC to do it?
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  Speaker 1: To me, that's the one example that maybe they wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have done anything because it was Nick Saban.
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  Speaker 2: I miss Jimbo, though.
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  Speaker 1: I miss Jimbo calling people out, you know, because he
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  Speaker 1: would call out Kiffin publicly, too. You know, the clown
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  Speaker 1: or whatever he would say. I don't know why Moore
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  Speaker 1: don't call Kiffin out, honestly. I don't get that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel and there are a lot of my
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  Speaker 2: friends with them, too. I mean, they've talked about the
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  Speaker 2: group text they're on with Kirby Smart and all the
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  Speaker 2: guys who coach for Nick Saban. So I'm sure that's
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  Speaker 2: a part of it. But I just specifically there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that's like, hey, I don't we don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's right, but we got to look into it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but I think we need to be talking
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  Speaker 2: more about the Lane Kiffin of it all.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know what else that comes to mind
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  Speaker 1: for me? I'm going into the weeds here. But these
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  Speaker 1: players have a taste of the collective bargaining agreement. They
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  Speaker 1: know what they don't have in college, and they spread
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  Speaker 1: the word. And they've got Rosenhaus coming in. I mean, again,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers to this. Rosenhaus, to my knowledge,
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  Speaker 1: has not been very vocal on NIL. He would be
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  Speaker 1: the voice of the players. I'm just throwing that out there.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't take a superstar to get it going. It
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  Speaker 1: takes an agent to get it going.
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  Speaker 2: Brooks in the chat asked the question, does this fit
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  Speaker 2: the national narrative that the Big Ten is the big
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  Speaker 2: dog on the block now? The SEC used to be
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  Speaker 2: the leader on all things, as you discussed, with COVID,
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  Speaker 2: but now it seems like it's the Big Ten. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've won the national championships recently in football.
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  Speaker 2: It matters more than anything else. And, Hunt, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they ever stop being the leader when it comes to, like,
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  Speaker 2: academics and discipline and things like this. It's the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that SEC fans laugh at. Right? Well, we stand for more.
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  Speaker 2: We're the conference of legends here in the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 2: We stand for leadership and all this. And SEC fans
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  Speaker 2: just kind of laugh like, ah, ha, ha, that means
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  Speaker 2: that you lose football games, right? Well, now they're winning
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  Speaker 2: football games, too.
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  Speaker 1: I think of the Big Ten, and I think of
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  Speaker 1: four or five programs.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. When I think of the SEC, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: about all of them collectively. The depth is different. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're being honest with it, it absolutely is.
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  Speaker 1: I would also say– I want to hear from Greg
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  Speaker 1: Sankey all the time. I mean, do we know what
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  Speaker 1: Tony Petitti sounds like?
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point. Can I pick his voice out
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  Speaker 2: of a lineup? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of statements. The face of college sports
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  Speaker 1: is Greg Sankey.
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  Speaker 2: No, Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti are handling this the
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  Speaker 2: same way, where they're just releasing statements to the media.
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  Speaker 2: They're not on social media. They're not talking about it.
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  Speaker 2: But at the podium at SEC media days, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know. I don't go to Big Ten
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  Speaker 2: Media Days. I'm sure that he speaks or does some
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  Speaker 2: interviews or something. Yeah, I'm sure he does. Look, these
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  Speaker 2: guys are allowed to kind of be the— And part
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  Speaker 2: of it's the ESPN deal, too. I understand that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: they're the wizards of Oz, right? They can be behind
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  Speaker 2: the green curtain all they want and not speak if
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  Speaker 2: they so choose. Exactly. They don't have to. I'm fine
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  Speaker 2: with just the statement. My thing is just action. I
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  Speaker 2: don't need to hear you talk about how bad it
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: is or how you need Congress help. or any of that,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: as long as you are acting and doing something within
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: your power. We long said on the Ariane Carter situation,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: where's Greg Sankey? You can release a statement on that
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: saying the NCAA is wrong. We backed Tennessee. He doesn't
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: need to be suspended at all. The kid paid it back.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: These are archaic rules. We need to go back and
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: look at all those rules. The NCAA rule book has
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: always needed to be shrunk. It's way too thick. There's
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: way too many stupid rules that still exist. Way too
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: many rules that don't matter anymore. Make it simple. Make
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: it easy for every coach and program to understand. Kids
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: are going to get paid. We know that already. No
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: one's trying to stop that now. It's never going to
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: go back to the way it was before that with
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: under-the-table payments. Just make it where there's a system in
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: place where it feels like it's fair for everyone. And
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: then we kind of go back to, all right, the
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: programs that have the best fan bases, bigger fan bases, facilities, tradition, history,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: all those things. coaching, they can then have the upper
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: hand instead of it just being a pay-for-play money situation
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: where it's very much year-to-year. That's where the college sports
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: fan wants it to get back to in terms of, okay,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: not everybody because, you know, Vandy's now a player all
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: of a sudden because they can pay. Everyone is. Indiana.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Indiana don't want to go back to the old way either.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I get all that. If you're paying equally amongst every school,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: then suddenly some of those programs are go back to
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: not being the most desirable places for players to go.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But there's just got to be rules in place. Where
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the sport is right now is not always going to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: be acceptable. Is it acceptable now? Yes, because we are
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: starved for football at all times. And we're going to
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: watch college football no matter what. I totally agree with you.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: We've got Week Zero talk coming up too later in
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the show. You said there's eight games? Eight games. Final
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: thought for me.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: As far as these players are concerned, these are– really
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: good college football players. They're not great college football players.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: They're really, really good. I mean, they're undrafted players that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here. Now, there are always those stories
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of players who are undrafted that go on to become
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. My point is, it's not like we're
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: talking about the superstars who are now jumping back in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: or trying to. But can it affect a third down
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and five? Absolutely not. And it can really give you
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: a kick in the butt if you need it at
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: a certain position. There's no doubt that Kiffin had some
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: plans in mind offensively for the tight end.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That's a foregone conclusion.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I look at it and just think where it could
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: really benefit a team is kicker, punter, and return game.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Because those are fringe players anyway right now in the league.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: That's where, if this were allowed, that's where it could
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: really give you a jolt.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: And if you're the Big 12, do you allow it?
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Do you allow better players to come into your league?
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: At this point, why not? I mean, your league's worth
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: $ 20 million or whatever the title sponsor is.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, Monster Energy deal backfired, as you said, with
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: the patch deal. Like, you need to look for a
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: way to have the upper hand. I don't think that
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: the 10 to 15 players that are trying to do
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: this It would give Texas Tech the upper hand. It
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: would give you an actual championship contender if they all
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: went to one place. Texas Tech could now fill the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: void left by LSU of being that program and going
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: and getting those guys. Here's another question I would have.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Does the SEC have enough right now to go ahead
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and suspend Lane Kiffin anyways? If it's true that him
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and his staff tampered with NFL contracts and called these
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: players and they're the ones who solicited them to go
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: file lawsuits to do that. I mean, if you're going
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to be a good partner with the NFL, which college
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: football seemingly has been, and with each other, how angry
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: is the NFL about this with Lane Kiffin? Think about
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: if another NFL team did that, you know, and try
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to get someone to file some lawsuit to get out
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of a contract with the team. So, I mean, someone
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: asked that in the chat, and I'm not completely against
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: some sort of disciplinary action being taken against Lane Kiffin
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: right now. Now, the disciplinary action could be a lawsuit
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: from one of these NFL teams if they so chose
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: for him tampering with contracts with soliciting this lawsuit. This
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: story's not over. We haven't really heard from Kiffin on
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of this yet. He's going to speak again.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: He's going to say something that sounds crazy. There could
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: be other legal actions taking place, too. This is going
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to be something that's going to be ongoing to continue
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to monitor.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: What would have been crazy if someone claimed him on
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: waivers when he was cut? Hudson Withrow, just getting going.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I have a theory about the Pro Bowl. The Pro
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Bowl's going away. Everyone's standing ovation for that. The flag
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: football game, as we know it, is going away. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: have a theory about where it's headed, though. I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: think it's gone for good, and I don't think they're
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: doing away with this exhibition postseason deal. I think they're
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: acting like the Pro Bowl's gone, and they're going to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: name it something else. That's straight ahead here on Hutton & Withrow.
• 20:29
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• 20:48
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• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Eastern. Hutton, before we continue here, how about my Braves?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: We're wearing the Braves hat today. How about your Braves
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: all season? I mean, they had just recently gone through
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: a slide. They got swept by the Twins. They lost
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: two out of three to the Brewers. And then they
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: get the Dodgers, and I'm thinking just the Phillies are,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, they're winning six or seven in a row.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: They're right on their tails. And I'm like, okay, here
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: we go. The Phillies did everything in the trade deadline
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to get better. Braves did nothing. Here come the Phillies.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Dodgers are in town. And the Braves just took the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: season series with the Dodgers yesterday, and they won the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: first two games of that series. Going for the sweep tonight.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: A couple of basically walk-offs. They had a defensive stand
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: in the ninth inning last night, and they walk it
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: off in the bottom of the ninth last night with
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Hwasong Kim, who was batting 0-66 on the season. I mean,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: he has barely played. He has been a miserable hitter.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Comes up with two outs in the ninth, runners on
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: first and second, drills a base hit to left field,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Braves win. We're back, baby.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: This is where we need Pete Van Weerden on the call.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Confidence is high.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Confidence is high right now with me hunting out for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: two wins over the Dodgers. They get the Rockies in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: town this weekend. The Rockies are 30 games under 500.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So what's inevitably going to happen is the Braves will
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: sweep the Dodgers tonight and then get swept by the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Rockies at home over the weekend since they're 30 games
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: under 500. Chad, I'm going to post something on Instagram.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Sport your Atlanta shirt for me. The last picture I took,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't appreciate if I posted.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: There you go. Perfect. Um, Okay, so hear me out
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You're not upset that the flag football game known as
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is going away, right?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Hell no. No, I'm not upset at all.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: First off, the NFL tanked this on purpose. We're at
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this past year in San Francisco. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they're averaging normally between like 5 to 6 million viewers
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: per Pro Bowl. It's outrageous how many people actually watch
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: this game. They got around 2 million this year. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: if you start thinking why, well, they moved it to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a weekday night. No one really knew it was going on.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And the night they did it, they had a media
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: party about an hour away from the actual game in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: San Fran, where, Chad, the media that would promote the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: event that the NFL's putting on didn't even get promoted
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to go and cover that game with the NFL stars
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that were choosing to play, like Shador Sanders, who's a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: pro bowler. Was it NFL Honors that was taking place
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: during it? No, they had the media party. That was it,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the media party. They bused everyone outside of the city. Meanwhile,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is going on. You would think that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they want the media there for social media purposes, for
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: what's trending. They're always talking about hashtag NFL and whatever.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: They tanked this on purpose behind the scenes. We were
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: too busy trying to sidestep heroin needles outside of our
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: hotel to go see the flag football game. So unfortunately,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance to see it. We learned
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what Fent Bent was on this trip. We did. It
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: was like Fent Bent and Fent Tents, which they fold
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: up like tents. We learned a lot on that trip
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to San Francisco. Very educational.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So that's number one is I think they tanked it
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: on purpose.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Number two.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: They were really pushing, and they have been pushing flag football.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: It's an Olympic sport coming up. NFL players are allowed
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to play. This is how they're going to go international.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's through flag football. It's not going to be through
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: full contact. They want men and women. They want boys
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and girls.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: To be able to play.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You do that through flag football. That's how you become
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the worldwide global sport instead of just USA.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Not globally.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: No one knows really the rules of American football. They
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: know soccer and basketball, baseball. But where's football on that list?
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's not number one, number two or number three globally
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in that list. I'm saying you put flag football in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the mix and now it's easy to understand. No one's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: really getting hurt. Again, boys and girls can play. It's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: something that you can form a global sport with. It's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: easy to understand. that's the Pro Bowl itself. They don't
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: want to do away with that. They want to market that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And they're going to do this through Tom Brady in Saudi.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I firmly believe this. Now, they didn't end up doing
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: this this past year. Brady didn't have his Fanatics flag
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: football classic in Saudi, in Riyadh, because Iran and Israel
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: were at war and the United States had just bombed Iran.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And there were a lot of things going on right
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: there in Saudi. So you The Capitol didn't want a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: flag football game there. I don't blame the NFL and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Brady for not wanting to go. The NFL is absolutely
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: involved in this, even though there's not the NFL shield
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: behind it. Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, and Jaden Daniels were
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: scheduled to play in this game, in this flag football game.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Back in March.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan were the coaches. Drew Brees
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and Larry Fitzgerald were the commissioners of this game, as
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: if you needed them. Saquon Barkley, Miles Garrett, Odell Beckham Jr., Gronk,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Logan Paul. This is what the flag football aspect allows
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you to do. It allows you to bring in former players, superstars, musicians, whatever,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and pair them with your current stars. You pay them much,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: much better than what they would get paid to go
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl because Saudi would pay them to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: come and do this. I think eventually this Tom Brady
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: classic thing is eventually going to be the quote-unquote Pro Bowl.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: This is how you qualify for it. And while they
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: may not call it the Pro Bowl, it's going to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: be the off-season exhibition around the Super Bowl, is my guess.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It's not this year.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to let Brady's deal kind of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: get it going, roll it out a little bit. But,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, look at the sponsors, look at those involved,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and look at the NFL players already involved in this.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They'll be treated red carpet, talking about Project Runway. This
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: will be it over there. And they'll be paid handsomely
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: for it. Brady was getting, what, $ 75 million?
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there an amount of money that's ever
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just enough money for the NFL? I guess would be
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: my question. Like, is there not enough money in the
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: United States? Roger Goodell's already said, he said this week,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I think, that there will be a team internationally, you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that's going to happen. At some point, there's going to
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: be an NFL team overseas.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: They started their pro women's flag football league or whatever. Chad,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: do you remember the quarterback that was all bent out
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: of shape about not being the quarterback for the Olympic team? Yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the flag football guy. He was on the third team
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: of Brady's deal. Their team was going to compete against
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Brady's team, which is cool.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't know this.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But this allows you to get creative with these teams.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Logan Paul and WWE. You get my point. It's going
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to happen, and that's why all these teams are– that's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: why San Francisco and– is it Los Angeles? That's why
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they're playing in Australia. They own the rights to the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: flag football merch that is sold there in Australia. There's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: a reason why the Jaguars can't sell their merch here
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: in Nashville, and the Titans can't go sell merch in Australia.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: The teams that have a foot in the ground, a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: foothold there, can do that. The Titans can go sell
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: it in Ireland. which they have a direct flight now
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: from Nashville to Ireland. Point is, it's going to be
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: flag football, and the NFL is not doing away with
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl as we've seen it.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They're just calling it something different in the future. Here's
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: a hypothetical. Let's say that the scenario you're saying is
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: true and going to happen, and the NFL is talking
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: about this in a meeting. I'm an NFL employee, and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I have a seat in that boardroom with everyone around,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Roger Goodell, Everyone else in there talking about initiatives for
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the league and what we're going to do and how
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: we're going to revenue streams and make money. And this
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: whole idea about partnering with Saudi Arabia and their private
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: investment fund and making money off the Saudi Arabian money
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and all this comes up with flag football and everything else.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: And I were just to raise the question in that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: room and I'd say, guys, I hate to be the
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: one to ask this question, but when is enough enough?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: when is there enough money for us? We are wildly successful.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: We are dominating the American market. We can do anything
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: we want in the United States. We could use some
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: of our money for good and continue to implement flag
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: football programs for girls across the country in different high
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: school markets and make sure that we are pumping that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: money into a system that feeds us because we are
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: creating even more interest in the NFL, even more interest
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: in our league, making more money for generations to come
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: by doing that. Instead of doing this, we just got
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: rid of something that no one liked. We don't need
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to then replace it with something else that no one's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: going to like. just because it gets us in with
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a lot more money overseas. Well, I feel like if
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I even brought that up Hutton to the NFL, I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: might get fired on the spot for suggesting that, hey guys,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: maybe we already have enough money. You'd be told to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: sell your team.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not a communist, okay? I'm for the free market.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I'm for making as much money as you can. But
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: at some point, someone should ask the NFL or someone
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: within the NFL should ask, guys, We are getting way
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves here. Can we just slow it down
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit when it comes to things like this?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Our money and our interest and our time would be
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: better off spent somewhere else, something not with them, not
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: over there, not doing flag football this way. Tom Brady
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: can make all the money he wants as an ex-NFL
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: player if he wants to go to Saudi Arabia. He's
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: also an owner. If he wants to go do DJ
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: sets at a Riyadh nightclub, he can go do that
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and get paid $ 5 million per head if he wants to.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: That's on him to do. I think Tom Brady looks
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: a little bit ridiculous at times with all the stuff
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that he's doing. I think the stuff with Paul that
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: he's doing makes him look less than what he is.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: It's all set up, but it makes him look like
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: a clown that I don't think Tom Brady is. And
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. I'm like, are you in debt?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Or are you just trying to be the NFL at
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: some point?
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I think they're partnering with the partners that are already
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: there in Saudi.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: WWE and UFC have been there. And that's what I just,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I get it for WWE. I just don't understand it
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: for the NFL. They're so big and bad. They don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: have to do it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: They're trying to keep all this cash on hand. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: think it was the Falcons. You can correct me if
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I think the Falcons just sold 10% of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: their team. They gave up zero interest, controlling interest at all,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: like no votes. And they got a billion dollars cash
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: on hand just from that 10%. I mean, it's nuts.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I saw what the Seahawks sell went up by another billion.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: It's like nine-something now, nine-point-something billion. Amy Adams' trunk in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, the value of their franchise went up 31%
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because of the dome.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these owners now are
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: looking at it going, oh, these cities are building stadiums
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: for us.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: We're now entertainment. We're not football. We're entertainment.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And so can we get this done in Dublin? Can
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: we get this done in London? Can we get this
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: done in Sydney? I think they're looking at it that
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: way because they're going to– No other– it's not like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: college football is going– college football has been playing in
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Ireland and other places for a couple seasons now.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's really just Ireland. It's not much more than that
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: with college.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But now it's just the NFL is trying to go everywhere,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and they're trying to do this through Brady first, even
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: though all these other sports have already done it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It makes me think less of the NFL. I'll just
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: give you my personal opinion. I think there comes a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: point where you've got to say our brand is really good.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Our recognition is really good. We're making billions of dollars.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Our owners are all billionaires many times over. They're going
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to continue making money. Let's cut off the valve at
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: some point for a little bit and take a breath.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: The same way we talked about yesterday, Hutton, that they
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: are very exclusive with their media rights and access with
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: everything they do because they can be, because it doesn't
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: affect their.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Bottom line, and it doesn't hurt them.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: They can do whatever the hell they want. I'm giving
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: them a license to say, guys, we make enough money
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: right now. No need to partner with Saudi Arabia. Let's
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: spend our effort and our energy somewhere else and not
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: worry about the stupid Pro Bowl flag football game and
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: what happened with that and just not have it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And then go do something else. And see, the NFL,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this is where they're really smart. They're letting the players
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: take the fall. They're already sending Hurts, Burrow, Daniels. Sean
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Payton and Kyle Shanahan are going to coach.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: You get my point.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It's not the shield. It's the individuals that are going
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: with Brady, who's an NFL player. It's not happening this year.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Oh, and thank God they're doing
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: away with the alternate pineapple logo next to your bio.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You get bonus based on that. Chad, final thing. In 1998,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: there were seven players who did not participate in the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Seven. Five of them played in the Super Bowl. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: 20 years later, 2018, 35 players... Did not participate. 35.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: That's why the Pro Bowl sucks. I'm glad the Pro
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Bowl's over. I don't think you should replace the bad
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl with something else that's bad just because it
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: gets you in with the Saudi money. I don't think
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that's a good move for the NFL. I'm sure that
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: they'll make a ton of money off of it and
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: will continue to. Don't care. They have the right to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: do that. I have the right to not like them
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: for doing that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Week zero. We don't like the name. But do we
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: like the game?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm calling it week zero. To be fair, they're
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: now calling it week one. But, Hutton, I also refuse
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to call Labor Day weekend week two. I agree. Because
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: now they're calling next weekend. No, no, no. That's week one.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: This is week zero. I think you just call this, like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: kickoff weekend or something. You know, you can call it
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: week zero, whatever you want. But, like, next weekend is
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: week one. Will we call this unnecessary? We'll discuss it
• 35:04
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• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Chad, we're not fans of week zero.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: At least I'm not. I don't think you are.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Week zero of college football we're talking about here. The
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: slow rollout, it doesn't do it for me. I don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: get excited for this weekend.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I don't either. Well, no, I should rephrase that. I'm
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: a psycho when it comes to college football. So I
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: do get excited that there are games on. In fact,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: my youngest has a game on Saturday, I think at
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: 1230 Hutton. I have been called up from the bench
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to be the third base coach in this game with
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: our normal third base coach out. So I'm going to
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: go ahead and warn the young Dodgers. You're going to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: be getting sent home a lot. I'm going to bring
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you into third. You better run fast and run hard
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: or you will be out because I'm going to be
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: super aggressive on the bases. This Saturday. But I'm going
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to be missing the first college football game of the year.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm actually thinking about that like, man, I can't
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: sit and watch the entire game to start. I hate
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the verbiage week zero. And I know that college football
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: has done away with that. And they now call it
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: week one. I think I hate the fact they call
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: it week one even more than calling it week zero.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Because as we all know, the real start of college
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: football is next week. With Thursday night games, Colorado and
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. And other games that Thursday, and then there's
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: a big Friday night game.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I don't even like the Thursday night games, Chad, leading
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: up to week one.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, now we're going to be calling high school football,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: but there is going to be a big Friday night
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: game that first week. And then, of course, all the
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: big games on Saturday. I want the first Saturday to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: be the first Saturday. I get it for the networks
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: and all the stuff, but it's not like we're seeing
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: marquee matchups on Thursday and Friday to start things. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: don't need that for week one of college football. Do
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that as you progress through.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I don't need it to start off my college football
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: season every year.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Labor Day Saturday, Hutton, to me is a sports holiday
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: akin to the first Thursday of college basketball NCAA tournament.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I don't mind the Sunday.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And Monday deal, trying to jumpstart and take advantage of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: not having NFL. I understand that too, but don't give
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: me the, I don't need every day of the week
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: from week zero on. I don't need 15 days, the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: most wonderful week of the year, whatever they call it
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on ESPN, and it's a two-week rollout. It's the most
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: wonderful week of the year, and it's a month long.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Two biggest sports days of the year for me, my favorite.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Number one, Saturday of Labor Day weekend for college football.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Coming up soon. Number two, Thursday, March Madness to start
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament. No one's going to argue this week
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: is either one of those things, right?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: You have the games, though, that we should get ready for,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: and you're going to tell us the top games, right?
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you all the games, Hut. Okay.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: That's what we do on the Hutton & Winthrop Show.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: We're not just going to give you some of the games.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give you all eight of the games.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Eight games. Starting next week, Hutton, I'll do my top
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: ten college football games of the week. Absolutely. I'll probably
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: do that, what, Thursday? Each week, I'll roll them out
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: for everyone. Yep. But today, I'm going to give you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a comprehensive list of all eight of these games. Very
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: different in terms of meaning. in terms of what these
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: games are. But Hutton, by God, we got college football
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: this Saturday. And I, for one, will rejoice with that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to complain too much. I'll be watching too.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: And Hutton, have you got any questions about where these
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: games are going to be located on your dial? Does
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: anybody use a dial anymore on television? I don't think so.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Or what network they're going to be on, what time?
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I can let you know that as well. Okay. Let's
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: start with the bottom, shall we? Number eight. Sacramento State
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: at Eastern Michigan. Okay, now that I've said that, let's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: go to number seven. Jacksonville State at North Dakota State.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: A couple of former FCS big dogs. North Dakota State
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: is still one of them. Jacksonville State has gotten pretty
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: good over the last few years. North Dakota State in
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Fargo in this game, a seven-point favorite in that one.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: That game can be found at 4.30 p.m. on the
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: CBS Sports Network on Saturday.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Did you say eastern Washington or eastern Kentucky on the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: first game?
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Eastern Michigan. Neither one.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State, I thought they may be playing at SEC
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: school next week.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: They're not. They're playing Eastern Kentucky.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I was going to go ahead and take Jacksonville State
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: because they're going to have 10 days.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: That game will be on ESPN Plus, that Eastern Michigan game.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Someone on ESPN Plus will open that broadcast and say,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: you are looking live at Ypsilanti, Michigan for week zero.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a Beth Mowens game to me. Beth
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Mullins is too good for that game. All due respect
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to that game. Beth Mullins is way– big game Beth
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: is not going to be in Ypsilanti. I'll tell you
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: that much. Will she be game six? Game number six?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Probably not because the game's on NBC. Beth Mullins might
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: be with NBC now because ESPN keeps giving her the shaft.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: San Jose State taking on USC, the Trojans' ranked 14th preseason.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: USC is a 38-and-a-half point favorite in that game, Hutton.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: That game can be seen at 2 o'clock. On NBC.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: So that's the rollout of the Big Ten on NBC
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: package for this week. We're going to call it week
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: zero because it's definitely not week one, even though we
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: don't like week zero.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: What a four-pack to start for USC, Chad. They have
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: San Jose State, Fresno State, the Raging Cajuns of Louisiana.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'm always going to call them Lafayette. And they're at Rutgers.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Those are their first four games. But then they play Oregon, Washington,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Penn State, and Wisconsin. And then Ohio State. All back-to-back-to-back-to-back.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Can we speak briefly on the audacity of Louisiana Lafayette
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: to remove the Lafayette and try to convince everyone they're Louisiana?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely we can. Ridiculous. Yeah, they are Louisiana Lafayette. I mean,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that's just someone saying, hey, it's LSU. It's Louisiana State.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: There is no Louisiana. And was it a race between
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: them and Monroe to decide who was going to be Louisiana?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I know. Yeah. What happened? It could be them too.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Terry Bradshaw didn't show up and tell them that Monroe exists.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Hutton, another topic for another day. Louisiana Tech is where
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Terry Bradshaw went. Louisiana Tech could have dropped the Tech.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Louisiana Tech, yeah. And University of Louisiana. That could have
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: been another one. I mean, there's so many options. The
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: audacity for Lafayette to feel like they are the University
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: of Louisiana just really crazy to me. Number five, Hutton,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: on our list, New Mexico State at Florida State this week.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Florida State trying to bounce back from a terrible season
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: after a great start a year ago. Remember, they beat
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Alabama in that week one. It fell apart with Thomas Castellanos.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Thomas Castellanos, who we found out yesterday, is going to
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: be the next Texas Tech starting quarterback after he got
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: granted his fifth year of eligibility to come back. So
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: he'll take over for Brendan Sorsby. The Knolls, a 30-and-a-half-point favorite.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Hutting that game. It's a CW special, baby. Move over, Arrow.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Move over, Dawson's Creek. Wow. It's New Mexico State and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Florida State to open the season. Game number four. Now
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: we're going to get into some actual games here. Here
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: we go. Number four. Hawaii at Stanford. Andrew Luck, Stanford Cardinal,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: only a four-point favorite in this game. This game is
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: at 6 o'clock on the ACC network. So a test
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: here for Stanford. Stanford trying to rebuild how they do everything.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: They know they're at a disadvantage being Stanford in the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: ACC and trying to convince kids to go play an
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: ACC schedule. Andrew Luck has tried to rebuild the infrastructure
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of that program. They've gotten some huge donations. from some
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: very wealthy alums here recently. So we'll kind of see
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: if this experiment is going to work out.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: They waited a long time to jump in the pool, though.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They waited a long time, and we've seen it's a
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: program that can win.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And win at a high level. I mean, when
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: done right, we know what Stanford can be. And get
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: some solid quarterbacks, too. Yeah, I'm with you. And it
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: is a solid place to go to school. Yes. If
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you're actually looking at your education, there are worse places
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to live than Palo Alto, California, and to go to Stanford.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: The downside is they're in California, but yes. You know
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: also a place that's not bad to live?
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Hawaii, who they'll be opening up with. Also not a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: bad quality of life there. Doesn't suck there.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Game number three, Hutton. Now we're really getting the meat
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: of it. NC State at Virginia. NC State, a four-point
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: underdog against Virginia in this game. This is a 230
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: ESPN game. I don't know how.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I really want to watch this. Have you seen the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: injury report?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Can we flash that up there, please? Because you sent
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: this last night. I couldn't believe it when we saw
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: what this was.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Virginia's out, like, they're out 15 to 20 players in
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: this game. And then, you know, NC State just listed,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: they didn't listen to who's questionable. Virginia did. And they
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: still have, like, 20 players listed as just out. And
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: several of them are starters.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do we have that to show, guys? Okay, no graphic. So, Hutton,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: I can give you a list of some of the
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: guys out. I mean, it is... The visual's better. We'll
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: have to show it later because I'm like, how is
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Virginia fielding a team if this is legit with all
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the guys they have out? Let me count. Just real quick. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I'm right at 20 players, Jed, are out for Virginia.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Two are questionable. 105 players now on the college football roster,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: so we should state that. So, They will have enough
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to play still, but that's a lot of injuries going
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: into the season.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I think at least one legit wide receiver, their top
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: player linebacker, Cam Robinson, is questionable. What are they doing
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: during camp?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Crazy to see that. It's like San Francisco.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Game number two, Hutton. North Carolina TCU, Dublin, Ireland. This
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: is the kickoff. There will be a college game day
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: that leads into this. 11 a.m. kickoff on ESPN and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Disney +. TCU a nine and a half point favorite
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: in this game. This, to me, is the referendum season
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: on Bill Belichick. His GM, Michael Lombardi, nobody likes him.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: There's issues going on there. I don't know what all
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: has happened.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Is he in a relationship? I haven't heard from this
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: in a while.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It's a very, like, I don't know what's happened. Yeah,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's, I don't know. But it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: not good with Michael Lombardi at North Carolina, who I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: don't think is there anymore. No, he's gone. Bill Belichick.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Very rough first year. How long is he going to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: continue doing this? If it goes south quickly this year,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I think the Bill Belichick experiment is going to end
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: very quickly in North Carolina. And it could be mutual,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: by the way. They're playing where, Chad? They're playing in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Aviva Stadium in Dublin, Ireland.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So I realize that it can only go one of
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: two ways. I'm going to say that Bill Belichick, with
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: his team behind the scenes, is very relaxed in Ireland.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: That's my prediction because I think he's going to be
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: with his girl the entire time.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So you're saying they're going to be hitting up the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: pub for some pints of Guinness?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I just think there's going to be a curfew in force,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he's going to be a curmudgeon
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. I don't think it would be
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: fun to travel with Bill Belichick. I think it would
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: be fun to travel with this Bill Belichick.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Remember a year ago when it was Kansas State and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I think Iowa State in the opener in Dublin and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Iowa State won the game? And Avery Johnson, the great,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: shout out Kelly in Vegas. Avery Johnson's dad fought Avery
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Johnson's brother and everyone filmed it outside the stadium. That's
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: kind of the way I picture North Carolina's football team
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: behaving the whole time.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of fights in the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: streets of Dublin, Ireland. Michael Lombardi's just outside the stadium
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: fighting people.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just knocking on the stadium trying to get
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: somebody to let him in so he can do something.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I demand to have my job back. Meanwhile, Bill Belichick's
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: in a hotel suite with his girlfriend the whole time
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: and his Teams just running wild in the streets of Dublin, Ireland.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Either way, there's plenty of reasons to tune in. North
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Carolina TCU, 11 a.m. Game number one, Hutton. Our guy,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: friend of the show, joined us many times, Dan Mullen
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and UNLV. Yes, okay. Taking on another guy that we
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: now consider a friend of the show, and Coach Huff
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: at Memphis in his first game there. UNLV and Memphis
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: in Vegas today. A Hutton special. You ready for this, Hutton?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Let's go. 9 o'clock Central Time. Strike up the band.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: 10 o'clock Eastern on Fox. Four and a half point
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: favorite for UNLV. This game is going to go a
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: long way in deciding who's in the playoffs. Is this
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Tim Brando on the call? That's a good question. We
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: need to hit up Timmy B. I bet this is
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Timmy B. Let me text him. Let's text Timmy B
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and find out what game he's on this week. I
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: bet you're right. Bottom line, again, this is a game
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: that could very well decide who's going to win. going
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: to be in the playoff from the group of five.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: You look at it, UNLV and Memphis both have a
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: lot of returning players. UNLV did very well in the
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: transfer portal. They've got Jackson Arnold, And I think Alex Orji,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: two former big-time prospects and quarterbacks that are going to
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: battle it out, both are going to play in this game.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So I really like this one. So everybody's going to
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: be talking UNC-TCU, and rightfully so, with the whole storyline
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: with Bill Belichick. But I think we've got a bookend
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: of games, morning and night, Hutton, that make it pretty
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: interesting on Saturday. North Carolina-TCU to start, Memphis at UNLV
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to finish it off. I don't know how much sports
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: fans care. I don't know how much a college football
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: fan cares. They're adding more and more games to week zero,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: as we're going to call it, every season. I don't
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: mind it. More games, better. This at least whets the
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: appetite a little bit. But, Hutton, we all know next week,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Labor Day weekend is the week.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: The positive is I'm going to watch teams I otherwise
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: would not really watch during the season.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Right? Right. That's what I'm going to see here. Chad,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: well done. I do agree with your ranking.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: And here's the other positive, too, Hutton.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Here's the other positive. We will be betting on these games. Yes, yes.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: These are football games to bet on that actually matter
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: for the season. So we will have some of those
• 50:39
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• 50:42
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• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. And we discuss the next great American movie star.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Who's it going to be after Tom Cruise? It's a
• 50:58
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• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the task of trying to find out and ask the question,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: who's the next great American movie star after Tom Cruise?
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: You laid out some good names. I mean, we're talking
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, Denzel Washington. There is a specific
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: corner of the room that Tom Cruise owns. And in
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: thinking about this, I think you're bringing some great options
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: to the table. And I've got one in mind that
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to choose at the end of this. And
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: people were shocked to learn that I could read and
• 53:40
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• 53:43
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• 53:46
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• 53:48
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• 53:51
  Speaker 2: down at your computer and it's hard to get the
• 53:54
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• 53:56
  Speaker 2: And there are other times when the words just flow
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: out of you, you know, like the Mississippi River. That's
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the way I felt as I started to write about
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise and my love of all things Tom Cruise.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I love this guy. I'll watch anything he does. I
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: know he's a complete wacko. I don't care. You know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: he's jumped on couches with Oprah. He's called Matt Lauer glib.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: He's got the whole Scientology thing, which is weird as
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: all get out. But I can continue. I cannot quit
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise and what he does and what he means
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: to movies. I loved it during COVID when he was
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: yelling at everyone on set. and being very serious about
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: what they were doing and how they needed to be
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: serious about bringing movies back to people. I love what
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: he did with Top Gun Maverick, making movies popular again
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: of people gathering and going to the movies. The dude
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: loves what he does. He's got more energy than any
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: human that I've ever seen in my life. He's more
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: committed to everything that he does than anyone that I've seen.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I respect the guy. I love his movies. I love
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: his onscreen charisma, but hunting to be a movie star, right?
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Like let's, Let's differentiate here because getting a lot of
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: good feedback from this column, and there are people giving
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: out names of people that are very good actors, like
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Dominic Sessa as a good young actor. I love the holdovers.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I love him in that. He's going to be very
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: good for many years, but being a movie star is
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: different than being a great character actor or just being
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a really good actor, right?
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: A movie star can do anything. I'm thinking action. I'm
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: thinking action, specifically that with Tom Cruise, though.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you do. Yes, I think action
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: has to be 75% of this. If we're looking at
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: a ratio, it's got to be you can carry an
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: apocalyptic thriller, you can carry a zombie movie, you can
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: carry any type of thing that you're doing from an
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: action standpoint, Mission Impossible franchise. Who could be the next
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Ethan Hunt? All the guys I'm laying out on this
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: could theoretically be the next Ethan Hunt in a Mission
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Impossible franchise. That's part of the criteria that I'm looking
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: at for this. It's not just that. You've got to
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: be able to do everything. Tom Cruise is very funny.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Jerry Maguire. He was Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder. You
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: can be in a rom-com like Jerry Maguire. Will Smith's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: a great example. Will Smith is a movie star that
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: slapped Chris Rock in the face and may have ended
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: his career. And doing that in front of 17 million people.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I write about that in the piece. But before that,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Will Smith could do I Am Legend. And he could
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: do Independence Day. And he could do Hitch and be
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: in a rom-com and be very likable also.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: There's a difference, though, between Bradley Cooper and Tom Cruise
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper, not under consideration on this list. I know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to give an example of there's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: a big screen actor, but not in the same realm
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: as far as the action and the... Just the action star,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: like the blockbuster Mission Impossible top gun. I don't see
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper doing that, for instance. Yeah, I mean, he
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: did American Sniper. You know, he was good.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Limitless had, I guess, some action in it and some
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: of it. I mean, I love Bradley Cooper. He's very good. Also,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper's too old. You know, he's not old, but
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: he's too old for this exercise. I'm not trying to
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: say the next version.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, there's a category of Tom Cruise
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: that not many people can be listed in.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're saying. That's why I'm trying, like,
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: there's a very specific type that we're talking about. Like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: we're getting, you know, Krasinski, John Krasinski, Catfish Jake, great actor,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: too old for this. He's into his upper 40s, I think,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: at least at this point. And Jim from The Office
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: is not a Tom Cruise type. He's great in his
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: action roles that he does, but to me, he's not
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: the leading man that can carry a movie Not just
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: year after year, but decade after decade. I mean, going
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: back to the 80s, Tom Cruise has fronted some of
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: the most memorable and biggest movies of our lifetime. So
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: it's hard to find that next person. I've got five
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: candidates here. And I tried to specify everybody is under
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: 40 on this list. They're all kind of, some are
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: right around 40 on this list that we have. But
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: my top five that I think filled the shoes of
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Tom Cruise moving forward. Number one is Glenn Powell. Glenn
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Powell is, has the blessing, the papal blessing of Tom
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Cruise himself. Glenn Powell told a famous story with Top
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Gun Maverick where he didn't want to take the part
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that he was offered in that. He wanted to be Rooster.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: He wanted to be the surrogate son of Tom Cruise
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: in it. That role went to another guy on our list,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Miles Teller, who I'll get to a little bit later.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But Tom Cruise said, what you need to do is
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: take this role and make it as memorable as possible
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: because people are going to remember this part and what
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: you do with it. It's not always about being the
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: leading man, but taking the spot that you can make memorable.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: He talked him into it, and Glenn Powell's kind of
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: been on a rocket ship ever since. Yes, he has.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: So Glenn Powell is one to watch that I think
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: has that blessing of Tom Cruise. Number two on the list, Hutton,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: and I think you could argue for number one, is
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan. I've loved Michael B. Jordan and everything
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: I've seen him in, from Friday Night Lights as Vince
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Howard to when you and I went back and we
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: watched The Wire for the first time during COVID. He
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: was the young kid on that as well. Wallace on
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: that show as a young actor. He was great in Creed.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: They're making a Creed 4 right now. He's remaking the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Thomas Crown Affair that he's directing and starring in. We
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: all know about Sinners and the success of that movie.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: He wins an Oscar playing twin brothers in that movie.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: This dude's got it. I mean, he's got it. He's
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: the type of guy who could resuscitate Will Smith's career
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: because he's doing I Am Legend 2 with Will Smith.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: That's the type of clout that Michael B. Jordan has
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: right now in the movie industry. Great action star, good actor.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I think he's got what it takes. I really think
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: it's 1A, 1B between Glenn Powell and Michael B. Jordan
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: in terms of who could take the top spot. Number
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: three for me is Timothee Chalamet. Timothee Chalamet has already
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: been nominated for three Oscars in his young career. He's terrific.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: My issue with Timothee Chalamet is I'm looking at his
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: IMDb page to try to project what's next. The dude's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: not doing anything right now that I can see. Dune
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: 3 comes out this year. That's the completion of that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: action trilogy that he was a part of. Timothee Chalamet
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: is talking about being challenged. Basically, Tom Cruise said DBAP
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to him that he needs to get stronger, tougher. He
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: needs to look better physically. He needs to do his
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: own stunts the way Tom Cruise does. And he took
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: that as a challenge because Chalamet, in every Oscar speech
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: or anything he does, he says, I want to be
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: the greatest actor to ever live. And he says, I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: know how crazy that sounds. and how I sound arrogant
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: saying that, but that is the path I am on.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: That is my goal in my career, and I'm going
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: to listen to everyone and do whatever it takes to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: become that. I believe the dude when he says it.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: He's a very believable guy. I didn't like Marty Supreme,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: but I thought he was really good in that role.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: I loved him in Wonka. My kids love Wonka. I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: think they're going to do a Wonka 2 also. But
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: outside of that, there's just not a lot on the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: horizon for Timothy Chalamet, for little Timmy Chalamet. Matthew McConaughey
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: may fight over that. What now?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey may fight him over that, the fighting words
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: of being the greatest actor of all time.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey, who played Chalamet's dad in Inception. Chalamet had
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: a very small part. At one point, he was the
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: son of Matthew McConaughey, so they share a history there.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Number four on the list, this guy is a complete fruitcake,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Austin Butler. But he's good. He's very good. It's like
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis. Is this the guy that sounds like Elvis now? Yes.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Austin Butler played Elvis. He took three years to prepare
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: for the role. I can't imagine. He did not talk
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: to his family for three years. He went the Aaron
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Rodgers route of excommunicating his own family. Even as Elvis?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: He did not speak to them. He was trying to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: get the part down. He didn't speak to them at all.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: He would not talk to his family for three years.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: So that's commitment. That's insane. That is both commitment and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: something that should get you committed. Yeah, that's for Austin Butler.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: But the guy's very good. The movie, The Bike Riders,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: I watched. It's not a lot of people saw it,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: but I thought he was good in that. He lost
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the Elvis accent in that movie, at least. So he's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: done some things where he has gotten away from the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Elvis accent, at least. But he was doing shows, talk
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: shows promoting the Elvis movie, and he could not lose
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the accent. That low, gravelly type voice and kind of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: a stutter. With Elvis, he couldn't lose that even on
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: talk shows afterwards. So very good actor. I think he's
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: got a bright future. He's doing Miami Vice 85 with
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan, where he's playing Crockett and Michael B.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Jordan is playing Tubbs. The director of that movie, Hutton,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: is the guy who directed Top Gun Maverick and F1,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Joseph Kaczynski. I mean, strap me to the chair in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: the movie theater. I'm going to that one when it happens.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: So he's got a really good list of movies and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: projects he's working on right now. And he could be
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: an action star. He can bulk up a little bit.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: He's a thin guy, but he can bulk up and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: be an action star. He's the bad guy in Dune 2.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: He's completely unrecognizable in the makeup and everything that he does,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: but he's in that movie also. Really like Austin Butler
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: in his future, he's number four on the list. Number
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: five on the list to me, Hutton, is Miles Teller.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Miles Teller is, if we're comparing all these guys to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: NFL quarterbacks, he is the Kyler Murray of this list.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: In that he's a really good player. He's got a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: ton of talent. You can't teach the talent that he has.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: But also, he is the type of dude that I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: feel like you'd have to put an addendum in his
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: contract to stop him from playing video games too much,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: like Kyler Murray. I'm not sure about the commitment of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Miles Teller to being the next big movie star. He
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't do quite as much. He makes some odd decisions.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: He plays the manager in the Michael Jackson biopic. Good movie.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Very entertaining. I enjoyed it. I just wasn't expecting to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: see Miles Teller in that part in the movie. But
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: I really like him. He's been charismatic and everything. First
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: time I saw him was Project X when he's one
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of the high school students in that movie. Very funny
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: high school party movie. Miles Teller, I really like. Seems
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: like he's got a good life, though. I'm not sure
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: that he's completely committed to being the next big movie
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: star the way a Glenn Powell, Michael B. Jordan, Chalamet,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Austin Butler is. But he's number five on my list, Hutton.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: You've seen the list now, Hutton. Who are you taking?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Who's your top choice?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: This may surprise you, but I'm going with Miles Teller.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Because Tom Cruise is like 5'7. His last name's Maypother.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: He's not average, but he's also not a sex symbol.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I polled some people in the building last night here
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: at my place. And I was asking, where is Tom
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Cruise on the scale of DiCaprio? Basically, the girls said
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Glenn Powell and Michael B. Jordan are too hot to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: be Tom Cruise.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Not to me.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: They're above Tom Cruise on the attractive side.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: These had to be younger people weighing in on this.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Because I think generationally, Tom Cruise is still seen as
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: the young heartthrob. To a lot of people who's aged
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: very well also. But also, like, not... Not.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Who would be on this list that's always... For the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: older generation.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: I don't hear Tom Cruise's name come up, like, sexiest
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: man on earth kind of thing. As much as, like,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: maybe we used to. But, like, Miles Teller is so unassuming.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: He's already done the G-Force fighter jet do-it-all stunts anyway.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And....
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: He did play the role that Glenn Powell wanted. Glenn Powell...
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I would want an actor who's very specific in the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: genre that he's going to play. Yes, he can branch
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: off and do Jerry Maguire.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: He can do other things.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: But we crave the action movie that's going to get
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: us back to the theater. I think Glenn Powell's Netflix.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I think Glenn Powell is streaming. That's not bad because, again,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: he's very, very popular. But I think Miles Teller is
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: more likely to get me to the theater.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: I think Glenn Powell... having done Chad Powers. I haven't
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: even watched it because I feel like I'm not going
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: to like it and it's going to make me like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: him less. And I like him a lot already. So
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: I think that that's a ding against Glenn Powell. Miles Teller,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: he did a really bad Apple action movie called The
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Gorge that I watched until its completion.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know why, but it wasn't very good. I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: won't be watching it thanks to you. I won't be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: watching it based on the recommendation.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you. He's also, there's a trailer out right
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: now for a movie called Paper Tiger. It's getting a
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: ton of buzz for Oscars. And it's Miles Teller and
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Adam Driver. And they play a pair of New York brothers.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: And Adam Driver's the chief of police or a cop.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: And Miles Teller, I think, is his civilian brother with
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: a family. And I don't quite know what the movie's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: about completely from the trailer. But he looks awesome in it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: He's almost unrecognizable. Miles Teller and the accent that he
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: puts on is great. He's a really good actor. I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: might like Miles Teller in movies and seeing him in
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: things better than... Than the other four guys. Like Whiplash.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I just, yeah, great in Whiplash. There's a Paramount Plus
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: miniseries called The Offer. That's the true story of how
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: The Godfather got made. And Miles Teller is the movie
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: producer that pushed it through, through Paramount Pictures. And he's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: really good in that, too, and very believable. So I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: really like Miles Teller. I just, I don't know that
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: he's got, like, Tom, I don't think Miles Teller's crazy
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: at all. I think he's a completely normal dude.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Someone threw out a great idea last night. Shia LaBeouf,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: if you want crazy.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Too old. If you want someone who's just going to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: jump out of an airplane. Actually, Shia LaBeouf may not
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: quite be 40 yet. But nuts. Yeah, I think Shia
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: LaBeouf has lost the studios is the problem. He's not
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: getting hired for anything. He's almost untouchable to do it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: He's a great actor, too. I'm with you on that. Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Miles Teller, look, he's just a normal dude from Pennsylvania
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: that's a big Philadelphia Eagles and Phillies fan. He just
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: seems so– he lives such a normal life for guys
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: like that that when I think of Cruz, I think
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: of slightly unhinged, and everyone else on that list is
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: slightly unhinged. Glenn Powell is probably the most normal. He's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: 40 years old. Yeah, Glenn Powell is probably the most
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: normal of those dudes that's on the list. I mean,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the more I think about it, I put Glenn Powell first.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I think I lean Michael B. Jordan first. Now, Tom
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Cruise knows every in and out of the movie industry.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: He's never directed. He's not interested in directing. He wants
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: to be a movie star. He's the lead of movies.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Michael B. Jordan wants to direct. He's already directed Creed III.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: He's directing Thomas Crown Affair. So there are some things
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: there that I'm like, okay, maybe he's not Cruise because
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: maybe he goes into the director's chair more the way
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Mel Gibson did after being a big action star, right?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what the future is, but These
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: are five good candidates that could take the reins. Miles Teller,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: by the way, is 39. He's younger than I thought
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: when I looked at the list. Again, I think everybody
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: on this list, I mean, I know everybody on this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: list is under 40. They are.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Glenn Powell's 37. I thought he was younger.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Well, and think about, like, if you're saying, okay, who's
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: the next Tom Cruise if Tom Cruise retired today? Well,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: it's probably Matt Damon. who just did The Odyssey, which
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: is a gigantic movie. But he's in his 50s. He's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: like 54 years old right now, I think. So he's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: not that far off from being Tom Cruise's age. I
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: had to go with someone under 40 for that very reason.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio is 51. Denzel Washington is 71. Brad Pitt.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: To me, those are the four that you put up
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: there in that class with Tom Cruise that are legitimate
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: movie stars. If they do something, you're probably going to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: go see it, even if it's on a streamer. You're
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: going to watch it because it's them. But it's tough
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: to find. And again, Americans. I had a lot of
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: people saying Tom Holland. Yeah, exactly. Or Callum Turner. And
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, great actors, not American. None of these guys.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: So it's tough to find that next great American movie star.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: But we got five of them for you. You can
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: read the column, too, at sportandstate.com.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Chad, let's put the graphic up one more time. Run
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: through your five candidates for the next great American movie star.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Glenn Powell has already been basically Tom Cruise's understudy. He's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: gotten a life lesson from Cruise already in Top Gun Maverick.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Number one. Michael B. Jordan, number two. The dude has
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: already done a lot. He resuscitated the Rocky franchise. He's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: going to resuscitate the I Am Legend IP. He's a director.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: He's a great actor. He's won an Oscar in this
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: past Oscar ceremony. Michael B. Jordan's terrific. He's number two.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Timothee Chalamet has been nominated for Best Actor three times already.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Already in his young career, he's the youngest of the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: five on this list. He's also the most effeminate of
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: the five on this list. Let's be honest about it.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: I have a hard time seeing him being rocked up
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: and believable as an action star, but he has done
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: some action stuff and some stunts in Dune. Pretty believable
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: with that. Number four is Austin Butler. He does have
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: the capability of being an action star, really good actor,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: also a little bit crazy, just like Tom Cruise. Number five,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Miles Teller, the most normal of the dudes on this list.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Very good on screen, very charismatic. You want to watch him,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: very funny, and he is number five on the list.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: But he's number one on Jonathan Hutton's list for the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: next Tom Cruise. It's very unassuming.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: That's how I would describe Tom Cruise, Thomas Maypother. at 5'7.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think about him as an action star.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: But that's what's amazing about Tom Cruise. He makes us believe.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: He's a 5'7, former high school wrestler that makes you
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: believe he's Ethan Hunt. Because he's doing the actual stunts,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: he makes you believe. He played Jack Reacher, a character
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: who's like 6'8, in the books. And he's 5'7, but
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: yet he was believable as Jack Reacher. The dude's incredible.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Well, he's acting next to Miles Teller, who's 6'1. And
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Cruz comes across as 6'1. And he's probably standing on
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: a telephone book.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Probably. As he acts next to him, yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: But somehow that dude made it to that level.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: Yep. And say, hey, great depth chart this week.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: It makes you think because, again, the category is very specific,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: which is what I like, coming up with the younger version.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But it's not like the list is very long. We
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: don't want Dwayne The Rock Johnson for this.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: No. You know? And all due respect to Rocky Johnson,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't make this list either way. Next week, we're
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: going to have a really good NFL-centered depth chart for everyone.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: So we're going to go back and forth, whatever we're feeling,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: with sport and then non-sport depth charts week to week.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: And next week, we've got a great NFL one. So
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: stay tuned to it. We'll post this graphic also. I'm
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: sure people are going to scream at us the same
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: way they did about Andrew Jackson. How dare you put
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: that vile, racist... The author of The Trail of Tears
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: on your list. I mean, it's amazing the amount of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: people who are yelling at us angry online about Mount
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Rushmore that we posted online. And I love it. Keep
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: it coming. Keep the vitriol coming. Keep the love coming.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: People keep fighting in the comments. It's awesome to see.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Would those people turn down currency with that man's face
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: on it?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder. I doubt it. I doubt it. And also
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: say there are probably a lot of people who are
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: screaming and complaining about all of that that probably own
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: a house and land right now, thanks to some of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: the activity of Andrew Jackson at the time. So maybe
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: you should be telling them you're welcome.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I want to discuss Vince Young's, is it a documentary?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: I guess it is a documentary on Netflix. I watched
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: it last night based on Chad's recommendation. And Chad and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I lived it, covering the Titans. And I wrote down
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: some observations as I'm watching it last night. I've got
• 1:14:13
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• 1:14:16
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• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Davy Crockett, people were mad we took him off our
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: initial Mount Rushmore. They'd say that was the one people
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: complained about the most, that Davy freaking Crockett was not
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: included on it. So Crockett getting some love.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: But see, I think we go U.S. President over, was
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: he Senator or House of Representatives?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. Let me also defend Andrew Jackson here
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: just for a second. Not that he doesn't need the defense.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I read the book American Lion about Andrew Jackson, fascinated
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: with him. I live where I'm sitting right now in
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: my home studio. He's probably three and a half miles
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: from the Hermitage, his home. Andrew Jackson, like a lot
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: of men of his era, were absolute vile racists based
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: on today's standards of what we would consider being a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: vile racist. When you set a standard of today's sensibility
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: at any time in history, you're going to look back
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and say, boy, oh boy, were they wrong and am
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: I right? There are different lessons to be learned from
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: different eras of how to behave and what to do.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not defending a lot of Andrew Jackson's views, or
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: some of his actions. But it doesn't change the fact
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: that he is the most recognizable president from the state
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: of Tennessee. Doesn't change the fact that he was absolutely
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: a man of the common people of America at the time.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: He hosted a Bacchanal at his inauguration inside of the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: White House that tore down the White House. Did he
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: die with three bullets inside of him? Yes, because people
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: got so drunk at his inauguration because he let the
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: people in. He would constantly host civilians of all kinds,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: not just the elite, to come in and meet with
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: him and talk to them about their concerns. So for
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: everyone out there bitching about the elite class in America
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: right now that runs thing and billionaires, Andrew Jackson was
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the opposite of that as a president. When you look
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: at what he did, he was the hero of the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Battle of New Orleans and the War of 1812, which
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: was our second revolutionary war against England. That was our
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: second chance to win our freedom, which we did. It
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: was basically Revolutionary War Part Two. That dude won that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: war in large part for the United States of America.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: And yeah, was he, as many people have put, a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: vile son of a bitch? Absolutely he was. He also
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: accomplished a lot and was a very well-known president. So
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: I make zero apologies for putting Andrew Jackson on the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore of Tennessee. And if you don't like it,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I don't care. That's my response to anyone who has
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: a problem with Andrew Jackson on the list. Thank you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: for allowing me the floor. What'd you say? Thank you
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: for allowing me the floor on that, Hunter. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I agree with you. Also, he eliminated the national debt.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: How about that? Boy, that's something that we're never going
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: to see in the next... We could have four lifetimes
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: and that's not going to happen for us now.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Also, Chad has an ancestor who was third in command
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: at the Battle of New Orleans in the War of 1812.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: We will eventually tell that story in detail, which is
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: a phenomenal story that we love reminiscing over.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I should have put a disclaimer out that my relatives
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: have fought alongside Andrew Jackson also before I gave my
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: defense of Andrew Jackson.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: A relative whose prayer is engraved in the rotunda at
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: the hermitage, I believe.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: That's correct. Phenomenal.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: Chad, there's no speech from Vince Young that will be
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: engraved over at their practice facility or at a Nissan
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Stadium here in Nashville. So I watched the Vince Young documentary.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I know you've seen it as well. You touched on
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: it yesterday. First, let me just say the 2006 Rose Bowl,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite game. When I think of greatest games, I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: believe we were at SEC Media Days when this topic
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: came up. That's the game that immediately pops in my mind.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I remember exactly where I was.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: I'm in college.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, this is, this is the era of
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Matt Leinart dating, whoever he's dating at the time. Uh,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: and we're watching the Hills or Laguna beach or whatever
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: it was on. I don't know which show it was. Uh,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Reggie Bush is about to get with a Kardashian, you know, like,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: and then you have Vince Young, uh, out of nowhere, uh,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: win the national championship for the university of Texas. Um,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: I say out of nowhere because he was USC that
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: was dominating college football. Um, I'll never forget. So let
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: me say, college Vince Young, way different. Now, that's where
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: it starts. Let me go where it ends, is where
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: we have Mac Brown still coddling Vince Young at the
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: end of this documentary, where he's like, can we not
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: remember the wins.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Instead of the losses? I mean, he has to say
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: that again. That's a pretty good Mac Brown impression you
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: did right there. Can we not remember the wins instead
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: of the losses? I told Vince... Hey, I'm pretty sure
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be white the rest of my life,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: so that's not going to change, and I'm going to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: keep yelling at you.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: The Mack Brown of this all, you bring up a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: good point. Also, I mean, he's– I'm sorry, but saying
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: that Vince Young was smart was one of the reasons
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: you recruited him because he had a 3.5 GPA? I mean,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: come on. They did him no favors. Come on. The dude,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: did he score a six on his wonder lick? I
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. Was that him? When he got to the NFL?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Something that was just terrible? I don't know. I mean,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: he misspelled Jeff Fisher's name when he wrote him a letter.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: We find out later also. So that's something I noticed.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: I had not heard that story in total, in totality.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: The way Fisher says it is, my name was misspelled,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: so I didn't know if Vince really wrote the letter.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I would love to see the handwriting of this. That's
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: what I thought. I would love to see the handwriting
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: on the letter. That's all you've got to say. You
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: can check by the handwriting. Do you think it was
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: handwritten or did he type it? If he typed it, then.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I would say the handwriting of how he spelled Jeff, though,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Or Fisher. Which name was misspelled?
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: If they spelled Jeff with a G, I doubt Vince
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Young wrote that. Did he spell it with one F?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Jeff, J-E-F?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Or Fisher with an S? C-H maybe?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Again, I would have to figure out how it was
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: misspelled to be able to determine if it was Vince
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: who wrote the letter.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: And they chronicle it well. The dude had a tough upbringing, okay,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: and not a great neighborhood in Houston. And he made
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: his way, and he's a great athlete and did all this.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I just think when you're talking about Hutton, you mentioned
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Mack Brown coddling him. Yeah. When Mack Brown is talking about,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: here's what we knew about Vince Young. He was smart,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: was what he starts with. Yeah. And they flashed his
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: 3.5 GPA up. and all of that, that feels like
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: a plant from the Vince Young camp and all of that.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: He clearly had his difficulties in school, and it wasn't
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: a priority. I understand there are factors and reasons behind that,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: and I'm sympathetic to all of those things. But they
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: even talk about Hutton, how he talks personally about he
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: didn't know a cover three from a man-to-man defense. He's
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: saying it like they had to tailor an offense that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: was completely vent-centric because he couldn't do anything the coach
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: was asking him to do from a mental standpoint with
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: the game. So clearly there were warning signs to Jeff
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Fisher and everyone else that that also might be an
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: issue at the pro level.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: He also came into an organization where... The decision makers,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: some wanted him, some didn't. And ultimately, it was the
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: owner who wanted him. Chad, you laid out yesterday about
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: how the mayor of Houston said she would jump off
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: a bridge or something if Houston, Texas didn't draft Vince Young.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: And of course, Bud Adams, with the third overall pick, said,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: we're absolutely going to draft him because I want to
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: see the chick jump or whatever. Here is from Titans Radio,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: from the Titans Radio Network, WGFX. This is just a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: quick soundbite from the archives. of Bud Adams describing his
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: joy of knowing that his franchise had Vince Young as
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: a rookie.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: B-Y is the name of the game. That guy just
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: knows how to win ballgames. Does that rhyme together? There's
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: the late Bud Adams. B-Y is the name of the game.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: I love that the Titans were just making these cataclysmic
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: level decisions. Based on that thought process from Bud Adams. Man,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: that guy just knows how to win ballgames. How about that?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: He knows how to win ballgames.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, at the time they had him, they
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: had Lindell. I mean, they were eventually going to draft
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Chris Johnson. And it's not like they sucked whenever he
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: was playing. Now, he didn't play all that well all
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: the time, but he ends up winning Rookie of the Year.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: And if you look at the timeline, Chad... In 2008
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: against Jacksonville, he throws two interceptions. That's when he's booed
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: by the fans. He sprains his MCL.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Did the Titans win that game? They won that game too,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: a close one? They won that game, yeah. Like 16-13,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I think it was, or something like that?
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 16-13 is about how all these went. But you
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: go into the 2009 season, they go from 0-6 to 8.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: He becomes the starter again.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: He's 8-2.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: That's also the CJ2K year, and he goes 8-2. And
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: then 2010 is whenever you have all of the drama, right?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: He's throwing the pads in the stands. You've got the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: whole deal where it's Week 11 against Washington, and he
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: wants to go back in the game. Fisher doesn't let him.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: They had a 5-2 start that season. Now they finish
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: where I think they won only six games the entire season.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: But they started 5-2. And Vince was the starter during that.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Played through some injuries and didn't play bad. I mean,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: he had nine touchdowns and three picks in the first
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: few games. 61% completion percentage, 99% QBR. I mean, again,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: not like he sucked. We've seen some really bad quarterback play.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: But as you start to string things together, yeah, it
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: feels like they were looking for a reason to go
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: to Kerry Collins.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: And they did.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: They ultimately did the year prior. This year, that 2010 year,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: they went to Rusty Smith and then back to Kerry.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: It was awful.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Again, I say that the quote to me of the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: entire thing was Jeff Fisher saying, there's no longboard painted
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: on the team playing anymore. I mean, when he said
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: that publicly, I'm thinking everything that Fisher's saying here has
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: got to be somewhat true. And then you have Bo
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Scaife and Lindell saying, bouncing their side of the story
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: off of whatever Fisher's saying. I thought it was very
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: well done. And I totally agree with Vince Young that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: the media leaks were coming from Fisher.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: So that documentary did Jeff Fisher no favors. Okay. So
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: let's say that first and foremost, the way it was
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: painted and the way it was done, it's told from
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Vince Young's eyes. So I'm not surprised it didn't do
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Jeff Fisher any favors. Let me jump in real quick
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't write him back, but he would do the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: documentary on Vince Young. That's also strange to me. That
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't do him any favors either.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he should have wrote him back. I mean, look,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: if he asked me, like, what should I do? Yeah,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: just respond or call him or text him. Hey, I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: got your letter. Thank you. Like, there's no excuse to not.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: That's a level of bitterness that I don't think was warranted,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: quite frankly, with the whole situation. And that does not
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: make him look good, and rightfully so. Now, I'll also
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: say it was a terrible situation for both of them
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: from the beginning where Jeff Fisher was forced to have
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: him as his quarterback. He didn't want him. And everything
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: that he thought or heard about Vince Young immediately became
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: true with Vince Young. So it's like the confirmation bias
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: happening with Jeff Fisher, right? I told you he couldn't
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: read defenses. I told you he couldn't run a pro-style offense.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I told you that partying was a problem. I told
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: you that commitment was a problem. Leadership, all these things,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: the reason I didn't want to go with him. And
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: then it starts to become true. So what do you do?
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: You start leaking it to the media. So you're proven
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: right by everything. I'm not saying Jeff Fisher handled these
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: things correctly. I'm just saying that I understand where he
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: was coming from in all this. And I understand where
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Vince is coming from with all this. But Hutton, Vince
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: could have helped himself a lot by doing what the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: smart people in his life were telling him to do.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: you know, not partying as much, being a better leader,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: maybe spending more time in the playbook and learning the offense, right?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Like there are a lot of things that Vince could
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: have done to help himself as an NFL quarterback also,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: because you watched that documentary and the talent was always undeniable.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, man. And Fisher, every time
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: Fisher inserted Vince in the lineup, the team was winning.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: It's hard to.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Dispute that just based on results. Now, it wasn't pretty.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Chris Johnson had a lot to do with that. That
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: game where he's throwing the pads into the stands, CJ
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: had like 130 yards rushing that game. There are examples
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: of them winning when he doesn't play all that well.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: But there are also Monday Night Football in Dallas. He
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: crushed it that game. There are times when, go figure,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: he's playing in Texas, where he just was phenomenal. And
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: let me also say this about Vince. I respect him
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: a lot because of this. When the Heisman Trust took
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: away Reggie Bush's Heisman, there was a lot of talk
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: about giving it to Vince. And Vince was asked about
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: it that same day at practice.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: And he said, I don't want it. I didn't win it.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: That's Reggie's Heisman. Props to VY on that. That's how
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: it should be. And Reggie should have never lost his
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Heisman based on the $ 10, 000 or whatever it was. That
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: was the whole issue with it based on how we
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: view things today. Point being, he was very bummed about
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: not winning that award when it went to Reggie. And
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that, I don't think they were very close
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: at all, Reggie Bush and Vince Young.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: But the fact that he didn't just... Say, yeah, you
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: know what? I deserve it. I did things the right way.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: He didn't do that.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: And thankfully, you know, it is where it should be
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: with where the voters put it with Reggie Bush. I
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: just say people forget that Vince was actually offered it,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: which is crazy.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I think maybe the most 2005, 2006 thing about the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: whole documentary was. I mean, everything about that game. They
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: did a good job of profiling that game. It was great.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: And the magnitude of it and getting the Matt Leiner
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: and USC side of it and all of that. The
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll snippets we saw was great. The magnitude of
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: that game was on display. They did a good job
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: on the documentary profiling that. But maybe the most 2006
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: thing about that whole thing was that Vince Young didn't
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: win the Heisman. Because today in any vote, the quarterback
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: who did what Vince Young did, statistically, there's no doubt
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: he's winning the Heisman over the running back in Reggie Bush, right?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: That's what was crazy about that vote that year to me.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: It wasn't as crazy then, but when you look back,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: you think there's no way Vince Young in 2026, if
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: he does that again, isn't winning the Heisman Trophy.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: That tells you how– man, can you imagine being on
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: campus with Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: Lindell White. Well, Will Ferrell showing up at practices then.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg. It was a very celeb-centric program, too, that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll built. With USC.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: That would have been a heck of a time to
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: be a Trojan. Final thought here. Jeff Fisher wanted Matt Leinart.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: He tried to paint it like Norm Chow wanted Matt Leinart.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: They hired Norm Chow because of Matt Leinart. It was
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: Floyd Reese who wanted Jay Cutler.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Revisionist history on that one. Because Matt Leinart was also
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: a bust. So saying that you wanted a guy who
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: had a longer NFL career is easy to paint now.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: How quickly all the decision makers forget how many questioned
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Jay Cutler because.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: He was at Vandy. It's also a really funny part
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: where Lindell's laughing. I know you saw it last night
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: when he's like, don't walk out on your team.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: And we're like, well, he's not walking out on us.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: He's pretty clearly walking out on you, bro.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: And then many don't know, many remember Bo Skate, but
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: haven't thought about him in a while. Interesting tidbit. He,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan's his best friend. Kyle Shanahan and
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: Chris Sims all have the same tattoo on their ankle.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: The longhorn?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: It's a longhorn, but it's like a very specific way
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: they did it.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: It was just whenever the Titans brought in Chris Sims
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: for that brief stint, I remember Bo saying something about
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: that with Kyle Shanahan, who was like the offensive coordinator
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: at the time in Washington. Anyway, it's kind of crazy.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I think that Bo is best friends with Kyle Shanahan.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: You see him sitting there with Lindell.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: There's some tattoo artist in Austin, Texas right now. that's
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: somewhere at a lunch or at a breakfast, and he's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: bragging about how he inked the same Longhorn tattoo on
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: all those guys. That's his claim to fame. Because it's
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: got to be the same artist that they all went
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: to that got the same exact design.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: How drunk were they? That's the next question we've got
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: to find out.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Hopefully very drunk.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: I appreciate Bo and Lindell being very blunt and honest
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: in this.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: If you get a team logo tattooed on your body,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: My hope is that you're inebriated as you did it.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: That's my solemn hope that that was the case.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. I would like to know who the other player
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: was that they may have asked to be a part
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: of this. We can ask Keith Bullock if he was asked.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Because he wasn't there for the entire time, but
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: he was there.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know who else would have been tight with
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: him like that.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: That's the one thing missing. It's a good point. I
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: wanted to see more Titans of that era interviewed. There
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: was just not enough people on camera talking about that era.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: And you know who else would be great? Cary Collins.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: Cary Tom Collins. Cary Collins would have been a good one, too.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I'll bet he was asked. If they asked Jeff Fisher,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: they'll ask Cary Collins. Well, especially being in that quarterback
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: room with everything going on. Absolutely. Would have been great.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Chad, coming up, we've got new uniforms. As if– I mean–
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: It's like the highest paid player in the NFL. It's
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: always the next one. Just turn around and there will
• 1:34:01
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• 1:34:04
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• 1:34:08
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, every NFL team's doing this. This doesn't
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: have anything to do with the new uniforms for the Titans.
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  Speaker 1: If they had their pick, I'm sure they wouldn't even...
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: choose to wear navy whatsoever uh but they're going to
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  Speaker 1: this is the rivalry series uniforms for the nfl every
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  Speaker 1: team's doing it and the titans are going to have
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  Speaker 1: this uh in navy um yeah i i don't like
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  Speaker 1: it it looks better whenever it's light blue and you
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  Speaker 1: have the outlines in navy um chad it's uh Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's got Music City on it. They're going to wear
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  Speaker 1: it once this year. They've got the road uniforms too,
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  Speaker 1: which I think are just all white. But yeah, the
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  Speaker 1: other uniforms are going to sell. I don't see why
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  Speaker 1: this one would sell unless you're from Nashville and you
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  Speaker 1: want Music City on your chest.
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  Speaker 2: This uniform looks like the Houston Texans and the Detroit
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Lions made love and had a child. And then they
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  Speaker 2: birthed this uniform. There's nothing Titans about this. I looked
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  Speaker 2: at the helmet and the design of it and I
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: thought Detroit Lions. Right away was my thought when I
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: saw the uniform. And then I see everything else about
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: the uniform. And I think, once again, going back to
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  Speaker 2: the fascination with the city of Houston and the Texans,
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  Speaker 2: that it's a Texans uniform, not a Titans. I don't
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  Speaker 2: like it. Again, I reserve judgment until I see it
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  Speaker 2: on the field. But as a connoisseur of all things uniforms,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: this to me seems pointless. It's kind of like having
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: a solution to the Pro Bowl situation. I think you
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: laid out what's probably going to happen, but my thought
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  Speaker 2: is why even do that? These uniforms seem like a
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: solution to a problem that doesn't exist and seems completely
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: unnecessary to me, so I'm not a big fan.
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  Speaker 1: Jacob, I'm sending you one more because this is the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans trolling Amy Adams Strunk with theirs. They're trying
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: to look like the Oilers without wearing the Columbia blue.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see what I mean in a second. They did
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  Speaker 1: a decent job with it.
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  Speaker 2: So are we done with the color rush now? Is
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: that no longer a thing? Like we're having our own
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: college football color rush with Tennessee and Alabama this year?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not color rush. It's called rivalry.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Does this replace color rush or are
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: we still doing color rush too?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm thankful we're doing away with color rush. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This should be a lot better. This is just Nike
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: selling some jerseys.
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  Speaker 2: The color rush had a tendency to make everything look
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: like a cheap arena football league knockoff.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Everything looked like a Walmart brand of Abercrombie & Fitch.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like Iowa Barnstormers uniforms. It looked like arena
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: football league teams playing against each other. If you're going
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: to do anything in a sport like the NFL... It
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: looked like iron-on instead of stitched. Some of them look
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: like Iron Man, like the actual suit from Iron Man
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: that they were wearing. It looks very cheap. But if
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: you're going to have a league and a brand that
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: people hold with such reverence, then go back to the past.
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  Speaker 2: Just in general, go back to something that's classic, that's
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  Speaker 2: from a different era. Don't paint the fake leather helmets
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  Speaker 2: on or whatever. But I think if you're going to
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: do alternate uniforms, instead of looking to the future, you
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: can look to the future for your next uniform, your
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: actual uniform, whenever you change it. But instead of trying
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: to do something futuristic or now, look to the past,
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  Speaker 2: do something classic. If you're doing a rivalry series, then
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: go back to a classic uniform for your franchise that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: was a big part of a rivalry with the team
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  Speaker 2: that you're playing in that rivalry uniform. Do something more
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  Speaker 2: like that than what we're seeing. So I think there's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: a home and a way for this. I think the
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: home uniform for the Houston Texans will be red, I think.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: But what do you think about this, Chad?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: This is the best way they control the Titans, I think,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: is their goal here, going with the Columbia Blue team. numbers,
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  Speaker 1: which is not against the rules. And how about the slogan,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: by the.
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  Speaker 2: H, for the H, us, Houston? We could do like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: the Rorschach test where you look at something and give
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: you my immediate response to a team. We could probably
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: do that with every rivalry series jersey. When I just
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: glance over at the screen and I see what we're
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: showing right now, the team that jumps to mind is SMU.
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  Speaker 2: That is the SMU football uniform and helmets. That is
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: not an NFL uniform. That looks like SMU to me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they, they can't, they can't follow their old school
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: uniforms if they wanted to, because it's all owned by
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: the Titans.
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  Speaker 2: They can't use the font or the, or.
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  Speaker 1: The, the, like the symmetry of the red stripe or anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's just crazy. They're not going to go back to
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  Speaker 1: the David Carr uniforms. But the Oilers were also in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Um, The David Carr uniforms that
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: weren't different at all than the current ones for the Texans.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the era you'd have to go back
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: to was when they were first in the league. But look,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: think too often leagues try to do this thing. When
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: you try to reinvent the wheel or fix something that's
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: not broke, it leads to stupidity. And I look at
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: most of these uniforms and I think, stupidity. And I'll
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: say this too. You're going to have media members that
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: cover the Titans that are probably being sent things to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: post about buying the rivalry uniform and how great it
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: looks or being sent copy points. I'm going to go
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: the opposite direction and tell everyone out there, you are
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: an idiot if you buy one of those uniforms. Do
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: not give in to this. Do not buy that uniform.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: I am not a jersey person. If you are and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: you want to buy a jersey, buy the new Titans jersey.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Do not buy the alternate jersey. Music City, Titans jersey.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Because that would be stupid.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: Also, Carnell Tate right here. I mean, is he George McIntyre?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: He looks very small. He looks thin. I didn't realize
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: that was Carnell Tate until he said that. I thought
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: that was just a male model they hired. His fourth uniform.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: I seriously didn't even give it two thoughts that that
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: was number 14, Carnell Tate. Carnell Tate is not a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: small guy.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't look like him.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Does he have a 25-inch waist?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: I haven't fitted a pants that small since seventh grade.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: He's a bigger dude in the normal uniforms. I'm just
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: looking at this going, is this George McIntyre at Tennessee?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Real thin. Hey, fun show today. He's certainly bigger
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: than me in certain areas than I was in seventh grade.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I can guarantee that. But not in the waist. But
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: not in the waist. We have the same waist size. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up next round live, we're going to see the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: guys later this evening. You can see them right now
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: here at Sport and State. And will you see Ariel?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: We're headed to Birmingham, Hutton.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: We're headed to Birmingham. Absolutely. Will you see Kelly and Ariel?
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: Or will you watch AI? I don't know. I don't know,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: according to some outlets, some streaming services. I think they're back.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: I think they're back now. Yeah, they're back. Enjoy the day.
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