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#288 For Azeroth!: “Pulling the Threads” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Hello everybody, and welcome into F for azeroth #288.
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I am one of the Tramvert of hosts here, one of the Wind
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Runner Tramvert, if you will. Sean, I don't like this.
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This is so weird, introducing yourself first like that.
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I'm not going to do it. Manny, you're up.
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You just heard the show. This is an awkward.
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OK. I don't ever, if you ever listen
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to Recruiter friend, I never introduce myself.
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I just talk about the gas. OK, now, now we know.
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OK, just just so you're aware, this is now the cold open?
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For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus
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or has not done for the Lich King for the Sindora.
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For the alliance. For the horn for Azeroth.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of For Azeroth.
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My name is Manny, AKA the Truman Manny, and I am joined by not
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one, but two parts of the Triumphant.
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First, we will start with Lex. How are you this week?
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I'm great. Which wind Fender sister am I?
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Oh, there we go. Which if you had to choose and
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you get first dibs at this. Which wind runner are you, Lex?
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I think I'm Vera because I'm just here for the vibes, like my
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sisters are off, like saving the world.
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And I'm just like, hey, yo, hey, yo, welcome home, Sissy.
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How is it? Where are we doing?
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What's going on this time? OK.
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And then now with the fatal choice, because whichever you
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don't choose, you're sticking me with Sean.
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Yeah. Hello, Sean.
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Hi, Manny. How are you and which wind
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runner are you? I'm doing well.
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I'm doing well. I think the question I'm going
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to answer is which wind runner do I think you are?
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Because that's the real choice that I have.
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And obviously when comparing the two of us, one of us is heroic
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and would gladly sacrifice themselves for 1000 years of war
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to save the people they love, and one of us is a little bit
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selfish and a little bit controlling and a little bit
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serving penance in the MA. AFK in the MA if you will.
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AFK in the MA if you will. All right, fair enough.
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I'll take Illyria. Well done.
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Well, we are back with another episode of Faraz Roth, and we're
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recording this on Wednesday, which is right after the launch
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patch. Now I think we have to lay
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everything on the table. I haven't been able to play
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World of Warcraft since literally the last episode had
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some computer problems. Sean is holding the ship
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together thankfully, and I appreciate that so much, Sean.
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So I don't have any hands on with World of Warcraft as it has
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been this week. Now I know Lex, you have been
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absolutely consumed by Baldur's Gate.
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Have you had any time to play since yesterday?
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So. Yesterday I was like, you know,
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I only have seven more days of remix.
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I really should get in. I've got, I don't have any level
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70s out of remix yet. I should pop into remix and just
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like grind my character up to 70.
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It'll take like maybe an hour. It'll be fine.
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And so I, I logged my hunter in, I queued up every single dungeon
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and raid and I was just working through them.
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I was working through them and I think I literally had like two
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more raid wings to go and I really, I really could have
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finished it up. It would not have been that
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hard. But I just sat and I was like,
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I'm having a bad night. Like I am having so little fun
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with this right now that it is genuinely making my night worse.
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Because I think the thing with time running right now is every
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like there are 10% of the players have been grinding the
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whole time. They are incredible.
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They are out of this world. They are absolutely like Dream
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team. They're one shooting raid
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bosses, they're killing it. And that means that for those of
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us who's not been grinding, you really just go in and you hit W
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until you get to the end. And then you, like, try to do a
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couple shots because you want to like play a video game because
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you logged in to play a video game and you can't do any shots
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because every time you try to target something, it's dead.
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And I'm happy for the people who've been grinding the whole
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time, But I, I was so bored. And so I, I logged off and I
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actually read a book. Manny, I didn't play Baldur's
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Gate. Thank you very much for your
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time. That might have been a lie.
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I might have played some Baldur's Gate and then run a
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book, but it was one of the the book happened.
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The The book might have been a Baldur's Gate series.
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Who knows? It's all blurred together at
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this point, right? How's.
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This erotic journey through Fey Rune.
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All right. And I think that's actually a
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pretty good segue because like John, you are the Raider IO
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feature Streamer of the week this week.
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I am. And you know, it's not just me
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watching you. It is a bunch of people.
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And what I saw was actually you playing a little bit of Mr.
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Pandaria, I think, racing to level up your your characters so
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you and Lex have that throughput.
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How was it? Where are you though?
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Because I think you were kind of going from the opposite angle.
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Well my experience is a little bit different yet because I
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maxed my character out and bought all of the brought items
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with bronze Dicks weeks ago and haven't logged in sense.
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But I have a very good friend who has continuously played
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throughout that whole time and is probably one of the people
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that Lex described. And he has a service where he
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will take his friends and run them through from level 10,
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which is where you start at, to level 70 and it takes about 50
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minutes. So we leveled 2 characters to 70
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today and then I jumped on my main because we had some friends
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in chat who needed some more bones from garage to buy their
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shoulders. We did a little mythic Siege of
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Orgomar bone run so that we could Cory up so that he was all
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good to go to buy his shoulders. And we even had one bone
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leftover for him. So he had like a spare bone,
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which is nice. Yeah, but my experience isn't
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great hold. It I didn't even say.
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Anything this time? You're doing so well, like so
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well. I think he had like one more
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bone left in him and he just, you couldn't quite OK.
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I want one bone too many for you.
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I'm sorry. That's my bad.
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All right. I'm glad you've had that
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experience, but it seems like none of us have really gotten to
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display a lot of the core retail experience.
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I did that yesterday. I logged on, I went to the
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Emerald Dream where I got my bear skin, my fell bear, rocky
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fell bear skin. And then that inspired me and I
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was like, Oh yeah, let's go get all these druid skins.
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And I went and I got the fire cat skin in Firelands.
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While I was there, I popped over and I got the Alice razor mount
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as well from that boss. And then I went and I got the
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cheetah skin and the tide Skipper skin.
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I got all skinned up. It was a big skin day yesterday
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for me on my Druid, which I think is going to be my main
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going into my second main. Like my alt, I guess those are
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called alts when they're not your main.
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My alt, my first alt, my top alt going into the War Within is
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going to be my Druid. This just sounds like some sort
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of polyamorous thing. It's like my my first ultimate
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wife, I. Manny, you're not supposed to.
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You're not supposed to have ranks in polyamory.
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Everyone's equal. This.
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Is true? Is that OK?
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Make it fair, OK? There's OK.
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I, I, I'm not involved in that, that sort of thing.
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So I'm like, I'm completely the layman coming in from like
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complete ignorance. I'm single.
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I don't even have one. This is not my problem.
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I've had a similar problem with Sean that Sean's been having
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where because this war band thing has like made me go and
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look at these other characters and look at the customization.
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Like I've really been pulling these characters and dusting
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them off and really enjoying them.
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So my warlock, I got the green fire, I got the customization
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for various demons. I did the heritage armor, put it
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all together and made a character that I really want to
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play. And the same thing with with
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everything. Like I talked about two weeks
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back when the when the war band became active, I was like, Oh
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yeah, I'm doing like The Sims here sort of sort of thing.
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And then that continued into like the next week when oh,
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transmog is free and that's it. It was pure dress up.
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I'm like, I'm going to dress you up so you are nice and pretty
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and half the fell. And guys, this was the least
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hardcore I've ever been in Wow. But it was so much fun, and I'm
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really glad to have that, that sort of ultimate play in this
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downtime. But for the core game, the stuff
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that I normally like to dive into, I am so past that.
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Even if my computer was fully functional like a Death Star, it
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would not be time I'd be playing in raiding, in mythic plus, that
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sort of thing. I would just be looking for
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alternate stuff. But with the launchpad, that
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also kind of got killed because one thing I was doing was
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running around the dragon aisles to get gold from like dragon
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races and whatever the quest are.
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But with this launch patch, guys, all of the gold has gone
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from like, you know, 600 or 500 to like 100 in the aisles.
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It feels not worth doing. Yeah, that's rough.
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Tokens went up in price, so that's good.
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Good for you 'cause you're trying to convert money into
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gold. Bad for me 'cause I'm like, I
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would like to purchase a token please that that's not a good
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thing. What are tokens right now like
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by your memory? They were 330 last week.
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They hit three, 33130 thousand. I'd have to check to see what
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they are right now but I like I that anything above 330 is a buy
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for me because they don't usually get much higher than
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like 347 I think was the highest I've seen.
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The yeah the last time they pushed over 300 they like
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Blizzard actually took efforts to bring it back down in NA.
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Yeah, yeah, they put their finger on the scale.
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It's it's good for me, especially with the new pack
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starting up. I pretty flush with gold from
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sales right now but but it's always nice to know you can bank
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a couple of tokens. So then I got to ask the two of
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you, and I'll toss this to Lex first.
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How many tabs did you buy in your war bank?
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Oh. You think I use a bank?
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'Cause that gets expensive fast. It starts at 10,000 and then
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it's 25,000 for the next one. Manny.
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Do you, did you even like look at it?
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You're like, maybe not. You literally were there when I
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got my first gathering bank. You think I logged into my war
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bands and I set up the war bands bank.
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Is this your first day on earth? Like are you?
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Is this like a doppelgang or something?
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Clearly this is my fault. I apologize.
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Yeah. No, I haven't bought any.
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To be clear, two people, All right, Sean, please, please
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don't roast me for asking the question.
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Manny Manny, I bought all of them except the last slot.
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So oh wow, the 4th, the 2nd to last slot cost 500 Ki bought
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that one though. I the only one I didn't buy was
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the 2.5 million one because who's got that kind of money?
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And the really good news is so I think I think the 500 K-1 is the
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4th. I think there's five total.
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I think I've not filled up half of the first one.
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Yeah, me neither. So like real life, I bought
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things I didn't need with money I don't have.
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We. Really don't understand.
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Yeah. This is so weird that our war
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bank experiences are so like different as well.
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Lex didn't touch it at all. Sean bought everything with like
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the ill gotten tokens that you bought.
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I decided to stop shy of where you went and got halfway in
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between. But I also like got really close
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to filling up that first tab because I'm like, I need to like
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have these auction sales and went to all my alts and threw in
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all the pets that I was going to put on auction and all of that.
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And I've just been like a laundering stuff through the war
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bank instead of mailing it between.
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The difference is before the week before war bands opened up,
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when everybody was stockpiling all of their stuff for, you
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know, war band time to auction host.
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Easy. I went through each character
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and and manually put everything on the auction host from every
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character pre war bank. And I actually sold everything I
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put up because I think people were counting on war banks.
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They were waiting. So the market was like kind of
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ripe. So I jumped on that.
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So that's why I didn't fill up a page because I had nothing left
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to put in there. My bags were empty.
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I mean, I would soon the same thing That's like, I don't know,
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maybe I'm I don't know how much stock you're moving.
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I I just I move a lot of stock to and like some stuff sells
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quite slowly. Don't sell enough to use the
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phrase I'm moving stock. If not, you don't lose things in
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my bag. Yeah, I I have literal TSM
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orders that are like hey, all of these sold out, re buy re put re
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put stuff. Up in retail terms, if you were
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the equivalent of Costco, I would be a six year old with a
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blanket at the end of his driveway and some dinky.
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OK, well, I'm glad you made some lemonade and we we got some
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sales, but I guess that's weirdly where it's been.
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So Lex, do you plan to use the War Bank?
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Is that going to be a part of your World of Warcraft
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experience going into the War Within, or is it just going to
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stay something like, I'll get to it eventually?
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Oh, I can plan whatever I want. I can plan.
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I've planned so many things in my life.
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Do I plan to use the War Bank? Absolutely.
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Will I Absolutely not. Not a chance in hell there.
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I will not touch that thing. I will think twice.
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I will like you actually know, you know, I can tell you exactly
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how I will use the War Bank. What's going to happen is when
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I'm trying to figure out which character I'm going to raid on,
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I'm going to log on to the wrong one and buy vials and whatever.
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And I'm going to be like, Oh, I should send this to my other
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character and I'm going to put them in the war bank.
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And then I'm going to go like, Oh, I'm an idiot because my, one
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of my characters is a healer and the other one is DPS.
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This is worthless. And then I'm there's going to be
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vials in my war bank forever, like until the day I die.
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I will, it should like this will be only given to my, my next of
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kin at, at my, at my passing is going to be the vials that just
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sat in my war bank because I forgot that I can't trade them
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between characters because they're not the same class.
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They don't do the same thing. I feel like we got to get like
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streaming again just for the experience.
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Oh, you guys would be. So you'd have so much fun
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because my bags are full again. You guys can yell at me about
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that again. That's what I'm thinking.
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Because your bags were the thing.
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And then people would be like, why don't you throw that into
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the War Bank and it would become a thing and.
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You know what people also they what people love to say is they
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love to say things like, why do you have that cloak?
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You're never going to use the cloak from Battle for Azaroth
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again, you idiot. You should get rid of that.
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And then my Rain team is like, we're going to go do the Battle
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for Azath raid to get like appearances, and you have to
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have the cloak. So you all have to go do some
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wild, crazy little thing. What matters is everyone else
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has to go run around trying to figure out how they're going to
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get their stupid cloak back. And you want to know who's
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taught her cloak? Me because I'm smart and I save
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things that are important. OK, Sean.
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OK, Lux. How how's it going to work for
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you? I don't.
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Even know what we're talking about anymore.
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The War Bank Are you going to be using the War Bank?
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Yeah, I'm going to dump my mats in there so I can craft direct
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from it. That'll be it.
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It'll be just a repository for for.
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For reagents and all those sort of mats, OK.
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Reagents. That's the word.
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Stretch within our reagents. That's it.
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That'll be probably it for me. I'm not an auction hoster.
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I would like to be. I'd love to be a goblin.
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Love to figure out how to do that.
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I've had friends try to teach me in the past.
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Doesn't stick. I struggle to grasp simple
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concepts, so yeah, OK. Reagent Giant Reagent Warbank.
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Understandable. Well, another Can we call the
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podcast Wowcast? We decided to have an episode
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this week and covered a lot of the end game stuff, including
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war bands and the stuff coming with that.
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And that included we had Morgan Day there as well as two other
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devs and community manager Lindsay AKA Bethany Stout was
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was there talking about all these things coming through on
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the war game. Sorry about that on the in the
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war within. So as we were talking about war
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bands and the the war band bank and all of that moving stuff
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from a character level to an account level, they covered,
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they covered that. And then they also talked more
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about the philosophy they called war bands kind of 20 features in
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a trench coat, a bunch of small things that they decided to put
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under one umbrella. And I think that that's a good
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way of describing it in this interview.
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Was there anything that really stuck out for you guys that you
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were like, oh, I'm glad that they covered that, that kind of
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filled in holes? Or were you more like me where
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it's sort of like, I guess this is all information that I've
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kind of heard before. We'll start with you, Sean.
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I adore the Wow casts when the first one came out.
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I really enjoy podcast formats. Jock Elsa Priest, the podcaster,
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likes podcasts. But this information, I felt
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like there was, there was no new ground broken here.
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This was a 23 minute commercial of information that we already
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have. And I'm OK with that.
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I like commercials, I like the information.
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Anytime I get to hear Morgan Day talk about the game is a good
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time for me. The only, I guess the only thing
19:58
that was that might have been new information was the UI
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improvements for group control and stuff like that.
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That was new. But the rest of it was all stuff
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we'd had before. And one thing I found amusing is
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that they mentioned how mythic 0 is now like a viable form of end
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game progression for people that don't like the restriction of
20:19
timers and the the rewards and stuff are better.
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And they nerfed mythic 0 rewards going into the war within from
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where they're at in season three.
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So. Season four, yeah.
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Yeah, season three and actually season four, yeah, I think yeah.
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Anyway, so if they're not, they. Killed it.
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It's the dad. It's really sad.
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As somebody who was really excited about that change,
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specifically because I was like, I don't want to do above a
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Mythic 0, this is so exciting that I have to DOA.
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Yeah, but other than that, it was great.
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It was a good episode. I enjoyed.
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I'll let Lex take it over because I think she seems a
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little angrier than I was. I wasn't going to do them anyway
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so. I wasn't angry.
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I'm just in a mood today. I'm just bopping right along.
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I got energy. The one I I, I will say the
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group control was also the one thing that I was like, oh, I
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don't know if I just missed that.
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That's actually really cool. And that's gonna be really
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helpful. The other thing that I feel the
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need to point out, this is specifically for John Mark
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Hemphill. Hemphill, who is one of the
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other devs that Manny forgot to name.
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I don't remember the name of the other dev I'm sorry.
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John Mark Hemphill had the thickest shirt I've seen in my
21:29
entire life. It was a World of Warcraft pride
21:32
shirt, beautifully colored. I spent so long, by which I mean
21:38
like 5 minutes. I just searched the word pride
21:40
on the Blizzard store trying to find it and I want this is to be
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Blizzard employees who are listening to the show just to
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ruin everything for us. Please, please get that
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reposted. I will buy it tomorrow.
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I'll buy it in a second. I want that shirt so much.
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If anybody at Blizzard is listening to this podcast and
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you might be, you can come to the discord bit dot LY faz
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discord. If you could just pop in there,
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shoot Lex a message and somehow find a way to get her one of
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these shirts, she'll pay for it. We'll probably send you a nice
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little thank you card. If anybody on this show was
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going to get one that wasn't me, I think it should be Lex.
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I think we should all get them. I won't want to, but if we can
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only have one, if they're like we have one, dies lex available?
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So separate from the shirt, I honestly thought that the talk
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that they had about Delves and how they had all this variety
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and stuff didn't reflect my playthrough.
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And I kind of have to go back and play it again because Delves
22:43
felt pretty standard little variation and and Morgan Day
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took the time to say they wanted not to have just a little
22:52
variation, to be a completely different experience.
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So I think I've been sleeping on delves, I would say.
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I, I do actually think I remember noticing because I was,
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I tried to do delves and I did beta and I failed miserably.
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But when I was trying to like switch around levels to see what
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I could make work, I do actually remember being like, oh, that's
23:11
surprisingly different at different levels, which might
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just mean that my tolerance for variance is very low.
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And I'm like, you know, you change anything.
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I'm like, oh, but I thought it felt kind of unique and fun.
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Well, I did test quite early, so it might have been that the
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stuff that you had tested and found wasn't implemented when I
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was going through. You also tested much.
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More say, the way the way they were mixing it up, I was making
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it so that sometimes you start at the back, like that's that's
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the variation. Sometimes you start at the back
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door, like, come on, I'm excited.
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I'm glad they're excited about elves and I'm going to have to
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play them for the first couple weeks because it sounds like
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they're forcing them to be the highest gear available for a
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little bit. So I'm going to play them for
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that reason and I'll go do them, get the achievement.
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But yeah, I don't think they're they're not aimed for me and
24:00
they're obviously not aimed for me.
24:01
They're aimed at solo players who want to challenge in the
24:05
world outside of Raiden with it. So I'm not the target audience.
24:08
I get it. But yeah, that was what that's
24:13
what I took from that statement was the the variation was, you
24:19
know, we changed the objectives and sometimes you start at the
24:21
back. OK, cool.
24:25
Yeah. We'll we'll have to see how that
24:27
shakes out. I, I, I think they would have
24:31
like that's such a statement that they're, they would get bit
24:34
in the butt for if they were like just half sing it.
24:39
Yeah, and I, you know what? I don't want to be one of those
24:41
people that I complain about, so I'll give them the benefit of
24:44
the dote and say, yeah, you know what?
24:45
Maybe delves have changed a lot since I've tested them and I'm
24:48
looking forward to seeing how they are now.
24:50
Yeah. And then of course, they talked
24:53
about stuff like approachability for PvP with the rated solo
24:57
rated battlegrounds, something that like I imagine I would love
25:01
to do, but I think this is closer to the Lex thing with war
25:05
banks where I'll make plans and I won't get around to it just
25:09
and that's unfortunate. Story mode rating things that we
25:14
have talked about in depth on this show.
25:17
So definitely go back through the back catalog to get our
25:20
impressions on that. I've also included a ton of
25:23
links because they included a ton of supporting articles that
25:27
came out today as well as a overall wrap up our article.
25:32
So if you've been sleeping on what's coming up in The War
25:35
Within, they have now covered it all for you on the mothership
25:41
site. With that said, let's talk about
25:45
the other part that kind of goes back to what we were talking
25:48
about at the very beginning of the show.
25:50
Remix is coming to an end, and so Blizzard has put out an
25:55
article describing what's going to happen to your characters
25:59
when all of this ends. So Lex, can you give us the
26:03
rundown here? Yeah, so all of your items, all
26:07
of your currency except for your gold and all your quests,
26:10
they're going to get taken away from your time runners.
26:13
So you want to spend your bronze before it ends, which is on the
26:19
20th, 19th of. That 19th of now, which is on.
26:25
The 19th, which I knew and I didn't need anything else to
26:29
tell me, by the way, it's gonna take a little bit of time.
26:32
So when you log in, it might take a few minutes.
26:34
You're gonna have to log into each character to get them set
26:36
in the world. They're gonna keep their level.
26:39
If you get them up to 70, they're gonna get up to 467 item
26:44
level gear. If they're less than 670,
26:47
they're gonna get lower level item gear that's appropriate to
26:51
their level. You're going to get 430 slot
26:53
bags, you're going to get 126 slot reagent bag.
26:56
Anything like any collection items, like an ensemble,
26:59
anything that's going to have a learnable appearance is going to
27:04
be sent to your character's mailbox, and then you're going
27:06
to be popped into your capital city.
27:07
So if you're hoard, you're going to Orgomar.
27:09
If your Alliance, you're going to Storm Winds.
27:11
So we are all orcs and humans now, besties and then and then
27:15
we're done. Then remix is over.
27:17
Everything is being remixed. We're we're in the we, we worked
27:21
it out on the remix and we're in normal life.
27:27
So the question I have for you guys, obviously there are some
27:31
people who were upset about like the item level and the fact that
27:36
their bags are smaller and all of that sort of stuff.
27:38
But it kind of speaks to a larger thing that I was
27:42
partially worried about when this started, which is all of
27:46
this stuff that they've given to you and they're sort of clawing
27:48
back. Is this withdrawal?
27:52
It's all kind of borrowed power down to the down to your bags
27:55
becoming just a little bit smaller.
28:00
Do you think that this is like like a, a painful thing, Sean,
28:04
you were playing up until like you said six weeks ago and then
28:07
you came back to retail. Did did you have a kind of a bit
28:11
of a withdrawal from Remix to that point?
28:15
When I first came back, I did because in a remix I I travel at
28:19
450 movement speed and drinkets and tinker gems kill everything
28:26
for me. So I engage combat and then
28:28
rockets shoot out of my body like Iron Man and kill things.
28:31
But that was obviously not realistic and not true to the
28:35
experience that you have in game.
28:37
Though while it felt sort of bad to not have it initially, two or
28:40
three days that was gone. I want to point out that we've
28:45
known since the second day of remix.
28:49
So for it's a 90 day thing, there's five days less.
28:53
That's 85 S for 83 days. We've known that we weren't
28:58
keeping any of the stuff in remix and up until this post
29:04
came out, we were getting item level 415 gear.
29:07
They buffed it to 467. I don't don't understand how I
29:20
mean I do I understand because people but I don't understand
29:24
how anybody reads this post and then complaints you got buffed
29:30
they buffed your what did you think you were going to keep
29:32
your tinker gems and even any Even so here's let me paint the
29:37
scenario for you right now people are complaining.
29:41
Oh man, he's my characters only coming out a week before the the
29:43
early access starts. That's not enough time for me to
29:47
grind the event. OK, first of all it is.
29:49
Second of all, any other character you have right now in
29:51
retail can grind the event, bore your remix characters and buy
29:55
them the gear and give it to them when they log in.
29:59
So there's no lost time here because it's all war bound and
30:04
even if you go at 467, I made a remix character.
30:08
I don't have a retail character. I only play my remix character.
30:11
I come with a remix five days for feedback.
30:13
I'm at 467 and I'm on vacation with my family in Disneyland and
30:16
I can't do the world event, get my 480 gear.
30:19
That's OK, because the War Within quest levels don't go
30:25
above 467 until you're level 73. There's three levels where
30:31
you're going to be gearing them at 467.
30:37
I'm happy about the change. Yeah, that's kind of my take as
30:42
well. I don't mean this dismissively.
30:44
I get that everyone had their own expectations from this.
30:49
My take away this entire time has always been like didn't we
30:53
know this was happening? Of course they're taking
30:56
everything away of course we're getting low level gear.
30:59
It's almost worth in it's gonna be OK.
31:02
That's how expansions work. All of a sudden everyone's gear
31:06
is garbage and we get new gear in a second and it's not a big
31:09
deal and we're all fine. And I guess I'm sort of of the
31:18
mind that Remix was them handing us as many level 70s as our
31:22
heart desired. And if they also gave those.
31:25
And you know, one thing that Blizzard has said explicitly in
31:28
BlizzCon is they want War Within to be alt friendly, but not to
31:32
privilege people who play alts over other people, right?
31:35
And so if all of a sudden all of your, you know, people who did
31:37
remix have super fancy bags and like super high level gear, then
31:42
if you didn't do remix, you're like kind of behind, right?
31:46
And so I, I, I think this is super reasonable.
31:49
I think especially if they're popping the characters out with
31:53
year, that's fine enough to go into the, the War Within, you
31:59
know, first the 1st 10 levels, the gear's nothing.
32:04
It doesn't matter. Again, I don't.
32:12
I don't think I can fully explain why people felt that
32:20
they deserved more without using like phrases that would be
32:26
biased. Like I I would start talking
32:27
about entitlements. I would start start talking
32:30
about like unreasonable expectations, despite the fact
32:33
that they these expectations were set so long ago, like you
32:36
were saying, saying, Sean and the fact that it doesn't matter
32:41
like in two weeks from now if 467, sorry rather 480 gear is
32:48
any good for you. You are not a power gamer.
32:52
You are somebody who's. Taking your time low power,
32:54
you're not even a no power gamer.
32:56
You're not if you're if three weeks from like you're still
32:58
wearing four 80s. Yeah, but you're we're talking
33:01
about power to a character. And if it matters to you, then I
33:06
guess you will care. Care about power.
33:08
What are you doing? I got you.
33:10
I'm. I'm with you, yeah.
33:12
Right. So I think this is a great place
33:16
to have your alts come out at a good level.
33:21
I think that even though I'm like going to be pushing to have
33:26
a couple of characters at 70 before the 26 rolls around in
33:32
the official launch happens, right, I think I'm going to have
33:35
a bunch of sorry, rather bunch of characters at 80.
33:39
I'm still I think I'm going to have a bunch of characters that
33:42
are going to be 70 that are just going to be doing professions
33:45
that won't level to 80 for maybe months to come, if I even care.
33:53
And I think that this is a good place for them.
33:56
So I I'm glad that they've made this boost.
34:00
I want to see what that gold conversion is because I think
34:04
there are going the regardless of where it comes out and they
34:06
were and they are very right smart not to say what the
34:10
conversion is. People are going to there's
34:12
going to be somebody who expected more and I think that's
34:15
kind of the sub story that we have here.
34:17
People just want more. There is no gold in remix I
34:22
think. There is isn't.
34:25
There no no you do have gold in remix.
34:27
Like my remix character has like 17K gold.
34:32
Really. I thought it was all just bronze
34:35
and threads. No, you have gold on those
34:37
characters. Oh, what do you buy?
34:41
I don't know the. Character is free, there's no
34:44
repair damage. Yeah.
34:46
So you just gain gold over the course.
34:52
So it'll come out with gold because like it was, do I?
34:54
Have gold Agree. You you probably have you
34:56
probably have some good gold. You're going to have a good day
35:00
when this transition comes around, Sean.
35:02
Well, this conversion better be 1:00 to 1:00.
35:07
I've heard it all is working. We will see.
35:14
With that said, before we move on to the next story, Sean, can
35:17
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36:22
Now let's talk about the new Twitch drop.
36:25
Talking about drama, Sean, do you want to cover the Twitch
36:30
drop in the support of streamer stuff?
36:33
Sure. So, so Blizzard went out.
36:37
They came out and they said, hey, we're doing some more
36:39
Twitch drops. Twitch drops to start in
36:40
Dragonfly for Blizzard. What are Twitch drops, you ask?
36:43
Well, your listener, let me tell you, it's when you watch a
36:48
Twitch stream that is on the list of approved Twitch streams
36:54
will tell you how to get on that list.
36:55
Don't worry, for X number of hours, I believe it's four.
36:59
And then you get a pet or a toy or a mount.
37:03
And in this case, sometimes they also include Subs, so
37:07
subscribing to a channel or gifting Subs to a channel, in
37:11
this case 2 will get you amount. They have been wildly welcomed
37:18
by the majority of the community and railed against by a very
37:27
small group of individuals who feel that it cheapens exclusive
37:32
things in the game, most notably duped trading card mounts.
37:39
So in the upcoming I'm sorry, that was a shot at the people.
37:43
Anybody with legit trading card mounts.
37:45
I did not mean to take a shot at you.
37:47
It's just that 90% of the things are duped so they're not really
37:49
legit though you I'm. Gonna I'm gonna take the shot
37:52
like if you got the trading card mount and it's there.
37:57
We have been talking about all these rate mounts and all these
38:01
mounts that hey, it's been out for so long, why not let any
38:05
somebody else have it? And this is the ultimate
38:07
expression of it. So I'm sorry that it used to be
38:10
like only X amount in the world and now there's more and it's
38:13
less exclusive but just out there now.
38:16
I feel the same. So starting September, starting
38:20
August 26th and running until September 26th, you can get a
38:24
supporter streamer. So by watching a stream for four
38:28
hours, watching 4 hours of Warcraft content.
38:31
This is any affiliate or partner Twitch streamer who is streaming
38:34
World of Warcraft. That's all you have to do to
38:36
qualify for this. You have to be an affiliate or
38:38
partner and you have to be streaming World of Warcraft.
38:41
You meet those checkmarks, you're on the list of streamers
38:43
that count. You watch four hours and you get
38:46
the Watcher of the Huntress pet. It's a cute little glowing owl.
38:50
It flies. You confused them.
38:52
Oh, did I? Yeah, you watch the four hours
38:55
and you get the ghastly charger mount.
38:57
That's the TCG one. No, the chargers for the Subs
39:00
isn't it. Did you copy paste this direct
39:03
from their thing? Yep.
39:05
Oh, that's what's even worse. OK, so you watch 4 hours, you
39:12
get you, you literally just watch four hours and you get
39:16
this mount, which was a trading card game mount.
39:18
It's the ghastly charger, the ghostly charger.
39:20
It's hideous. You're going to mount collectors
39:23
want it because it makes the number go up.
39:24
Congratulations, mount collectors, you're getting one.
39:26
Nobody's riding this mount. There's you're not going to see
39:28
any of these. You might see one person on it
39:31
who's like, hey, look, I'm on it now eat it.
39:33
Trading card. People who are sad, ha ha.
39:35
But nobody's riding this mount unironically because they enjoy
39:38
it. It's an hideous mount.
39:40
You watch 4 hours of any Twitch streamer, including recruiter
39:43
friend, Sean or Truvill and Manny, and you get this mount
39:47
also in that same window. I'll guess right, extended
39:52
window. So that window is August 26th to
39:55
September 19th, an extended window August 26th to September
39:59
26th. You do this 2 Subs, so either
40:02
sub yourself to two different channels or gift 2 Subs or
40:05
whatever combination of two Subs, which prime Subs do not
40:08
count. It has to be a paid sub.
40:09
And then you get this adorable pet, which is the Watcher of the
40:12
Huntress pet. It's a cute little green owl.
40:14
It flies. And it's good for Warcraft, it's
40:20
good for content creators, which of which we are some.
40:24
So I guess you could say that I am biased in this story, but I
40:34
think it's good for the game. I think things that are rare
40:38
because they are locked behind skill is one thing, and I have
40:42
opinions about those two and whether or not they should be
40:45
able to be obtained obtained through through equivalent
40:47
skill. But these trading card mounts
40:51
are only locked by the fact that they came out in a card game
40:53
that happened 2 decades ago that almost nobody bought, which is
40:57
why they're so rare. And then they got like fake
41:02
codes duplicated of them and sold on eBay.
41:05
Like give us the mount. I'm sorry.
41:09
I hope you're not upset. I don't know any.
41:10
I don't actually personally know anybody who has the trading card
41:13
mounts who is upset about them showing up this way.
41:16
But I hear about on Twitter people who have them who are
41:19
upset. But I don't follow those people
41:21
and they're probably muted, so I don't see their complaints.
41:24
I OK we all know a person that is in our discord, Multiow, who
41:31
is a really fervent mount collector.
41:36
Please, you got to tell me before you finish the story.
41:38
Multi Owl is not upset about this is she?
41:40
Multi owl is not upset about OK, multi owl.
41:44
Multi owl her her partner bought her one of the trading card
41:50
mounts, right? And it was like, and it meant a
41:52
lot because she's a mount collector.
41:54
Her partner realized that this matters to her.
41:57
And even though it didn't matter to him, as far as I'm aware, he
42:01
did it and it was like, oh, it's such a great gesture.
42:04
That to me is the actual value. Somebody who was hoarding this
42:08
card and was trying to to like, wait for its price to go up to a
42:12
certain point. And now it's suddenly tanking.
42:14
That's just that's just risk investment.
42:17
And I have no issue when their stocks, because this is the
42:22
second time we're talking about wow, stuff like stocks, stocks
42:25
suddenly go down. And I think that this like as
42:29
the list gets more and more narrow with like I think the big
42:35
prizes are the rooster and the spectral tiger, those people
42:43
should maybe look at going going to something a little more blue
42:47
chip. Sell now.
42:50
Sell now. Yeah.
42:52
I want to. Say, been staring at us quite
42:54
angry this whole time. Pretty sure she's going to tear
42:57
into us. Little horsey.
43:00
What? OK, what?
43:04
I'm not against you, but I was like, if I say anything now, I'm
43:07
just going to be riding that mount to spite Sean, and I think
43:11
I'm OK with that. The thing is, The thing is, if
43:14
you'd asked me before this podcast if I wanted the ghastly
43:17
charger mount, I would have, I'll admit this, I probably
43:20
would have looked at this and been like, no, when would I ever
43:22
use that? But just because Sean bullied
43:24
them, I know because I feel bad for them.
43:28
It's like when it's like when you like got to get the like
43:31
broken thing at the store because you feel bad for it
43:34
because no one else is going to want it.
43:35
Now I want the little gasly charger amount.
43:37
I think it's a cutie, but also, yeah, I think I think that the
43:43
false scarcity is like I I get the frustration.
43:45
I get why it sucks, but it makes a lot of sense for World War
43:51
have to give it out like this and it's good for the community
43:54
at large. And and the other thing is it in
43:58
like the people who like got these as presents like that love
44:01
that the person who gave it to you had for you.
44:05
That didn't go away right? Like you, that's still attached
44:08
to that mount. I, I do want to say my criticism
44:11
of this is I think Sean would agree with me, is that they kind
44:15
of went about this backwards. The higher value items, in my
44:19
opinion is the mount. More people care about mounts
44:23
than pets and the the supporter streamer thing is a pet and that
44:30
pet is unique. It's never been available
44:33
through any other means. Right, but I don't think the
44:37
trading card is enough of an impact to to make up the
44:41
difference. I honestly think that the higher
44:44
value one is actually the mount and maybe if they but like I
44:49
think this is a nice thing that Blizzard did is make the gas
44:51
charger more freely available. Though I I do agree that I think
44:57
the amount is the more highly like the more higher value.
45:02
But I like that they did it this way because two twitch Subs in
45:08
everywhere except Canada is about the price of a store
45:10
mount. A store mount is 1250 Canadian
45:16
and two Twitch Subs in Canada up until a month ago would have
45:19
been like $13. So I think that makes sense.
45:25
It's not like you're not getting fleeced unless you live in
45:29
Canada. You're not getting fleeced to
45:30
give 2 Subs to a streamer. And everybody loves mounts.
45:36
Everybody wants mounts. Even if you're not a mount
45:38
collector, you go get those easy mounts, you know what I mean?
45:40
Everybody's like, oh what are you doing this weekend?
45:42
I'm going to go find an easy mount.
45:44
And I think making the mount free because it's more wanted
45:49
makes sense and it's better for people.
45:53
And yeah, just tried, you know, if the amount is free, but you
45:56
got to pay for the pet, so that makes sense.
45:58
OK, Hopefully that's the last little bit of a Blizzard drama
46:01
that we're going to cover. And let's move on to some, I
46:05
think straight WS because over the last two days we have been
46:10
getting hints at some amazing things coming as well as some
46:16
fantastic animatics, cinematics, whatever.
46:22
The first one that I want to discuss is a very short clip,
46:28
less than a minute that Blizzard used to hype up the beta test of
46:36
the expansion intro sequence that we will be testing.
46:40
Well, by the time you hear it, it will be Thursday, but we will
46:42
be testing tomorrow as of this recording.
46:45
So Blizzard posted a clip on to Twitter that has Kadgar walking
46:52
up to Zalitat the Harbinger. And this is a in game cinematic
47:02
where it's showing Kadgar. And like even when he's walking
47:07
in, you know, like he's been through stuff and there is
47:10
Zalitat in the middle of the Violet Citadel.
47:14
Thank you guys for helping me look that up earlier.
47:17
And she is using the Dark heart to siphon power from Dalaran
47:22
itself. And so he's like, I'm going to
47:27
put this power to better use. You guys have squandered this.
47:31
And Kadgar says hell no and shoots off like the Kamehameha
47:38
of World of Warcraft. And this is literally the same
47:42
blast that he's used in the cinema, the cinematic from the
47:49
Harbinger cinematics back from Legion.
47:53
So like, it was really cool to see that that call back.
47:55
And apparently other people have noticed that, Sean, you were
47:57
saying other creators have noticed that as well.
48:03
This looks to be a part of, of obviously the opening scenario
48:07
because that's what they're using it to type from.
48:10
And I, I, I love this. What was your reaction?
48:17
Let's let's start off with you, Lex.
48:22
I thought it was really cool. I don't know that it was the
48:28
most at least I usually, I often miss the things that everyone
48:32
else is like, Oh my God, did you notice one detail shows this
48:35
actually is going to be controlled by this Naru?
48:38
And like I I never connect those dots.
48:41
So it's possible that Sean's about to be like, Oh my God.
48:43
But did you notice that when he cast this spell?
48:45
It does and then that, but I didn't think it had a lot of
48:50
lore information that we didn't already to some degree have.
48:55
But I thought it was an incredible hype, right?
48:57
Like it was just cool. It's it's the the big anime
49:00
fight and like Cadgar blast her with his laser for so long and
49:05
you're like, maybe, you know, like maybe that'll be enough.
49:07
Maybe, but like obviously it's not, but maybe it'll be enough
49:10
to do something. And then she just waltzes right
49:12
out as Zalitath does. I love her so much love of my
49:15
life. It it it was just like really
49:19
pure hype in 60 seconds. I thought it was incredibly well
49:23
done for that purpose. Yeah, No, I agree with you.
49:29
Like this was, I don't think the entirety of it like this is just
49:34
that hype moment. So you are right that that was
49:36
like what they were trying to sell here.
49:39
Sean, did you pull anything from it that we failed to mention?
49:42
No. I don't think so.
49:44
It's just a bunch of information we already sort of have through
49:48
playing the beta or, you know, lower breakdowns and hints and
49:53
that would be given. I'm excited to see it.
49:54
It was great. It's it's have we seen before in
49:59
the past where Padgar with the powers of the Guardian has
50:05
unleashed everything he has onto a being that just walks through
50:09
it? Like I feel like that's going to
50:11
be a a statement on Xalatat's power level over 9000 for.
50:16
Sure, over 9. 1000 Zalitaf is definitely putting up more of a
50:23
game than the Dreadlord that he used it on in Harbingers.
50:25
And this is I think these are the two examples.
50:28
It is this cinematic and Harbingers where he's used that
50:32
like big blast laser and I haven't seen it any other time.
50:36
He wasted the dreadlord with it, but Zalitaf is still standing
50:42
strong, seemingly unharmed. So like it definitely pushes how
50:46
strong Xalitas seems. The the other thing about it is
50:52
that like like he he's never been the guardian.
50:54
The entire thing going back to actually watch that harbinger
50:58
and animatic was that he never accepted the the powers and
51:04
never rose to be to be the guardian.
51:10
But like this is definitely him and giving it his all.
51:14
After that smoke settles you could see beads of sweat on his
51:20
brow like they took the time to show that he was absolutely
51:24
gassed and she is 100% unfazed. So does not look good for for
51:33
CAD guard there. I do think that one thing that
51:37
this is pretty much going to going to do is raise the stakes.
51:45
We are seeing a lot more of Zalitath.
51:47
We're seeing a lot more of a stronger showing from Zalitath.
51:51
Just like you're, you're saying with this one, with her
51:55
involvement with the with our threads of fate that we got last
52:00
week, we are now having her kick into full gear.
52:05
And I think this is going to be done better than Arthus was done
52:09
in wrath of the Lich King. But also she's clearly going to
52:14
have presence throughout this expansion.
52:17
And I'm really glad to see that rather than, you know, the
52:21
jailer that where it was sort of like hidden in the background.
52:25
She is front and center and I'm loving what I'm seeing.
52:27
I'm. So excited.
52:30
I'm so excited for War Within Over the Moon.
52:34
I'm glad that the hype is finally kicking in.
52:36
They've done a lot over these last two weeks to to like raise
52:40
that level for me because like, I was a little mid before this.
52:46
Like I didn't feel like I was getting enough to really hype me
52:49
up and I'm glad they're doing this.
52:51
I'm biased because War Within was announced and also the first
52:54
ever BlizzCon and potentially only BlizzCon that I went to.
52:58
So for me this has been the like Oh my God.
53:01
And then it's going to be Valentath.
53:03
And did you see the cutscene where thralls talking to Anduin?
53:08
Like I, I just like this has a special place in my heart just
53:11
because I watched the intro cutscenes and I learned about it
53:15
while surrounded by the most excited people I've ever met in
53:17
my life. But also I think they're doing a
53:22
really great job. Like I'm I just every single
53:24
thing Blizzard has done in the last few months, potentially
53:29
year, I'm trying to think of like when they started just
53:32
absolutely dominating the entire like every choice they made was
53:38
the best choice they could have made.
53:40
It's just, I, I just have a lot of faith in them right now in a,
53:44
in a way that I am not used to just any same company, any
53:49
storyteller just being like, Nope, you're going to do OK.
53:51
Like whatever, whatever you do, it's going to be a good choice.
53:54
And if it's not a good choice, you're going to change and it's
53:56
going to be fine. Like we're going to be fine.
53:59
OK, stocks, Blizzard stocks are up with Lex.
54:02
All right. What about you, Sean?
54:04
You hyped. Yeah, I've been hyped for a
54:06
while. It hasn't diminished.
54:08
I'm excited for the War Within. I think it's going to be a
54:13
really good time, I think. Dragonflight, it was a nice
54:17
reset expansion that also was a ton of fun.
54:20
I liked a lot of the lower groundwork that they set in
54:22
Dragonflight, and they sort of went to smaller stories to
54:27
really give you the heart and the feeling of the game, like
54:29
the blue dragon side quest, very moving, very emotional, A lot of
54:34
the black dragon stuff. So I'm pumped.
54:37
I think War Within is going to be amazing.
54:40
Yeah. And like Lex, I didn't go to
54:42
BlizzCon, but I feel like this is the most engaged I've been
54:45
with the game as a player in a long time, so I'm really looking
54:49
forward to seeing the adventure from here on out.
54:51
And the cinematics just keep. I'm not going to lie, they could
54:55
tell me the games cancelled and it's just going to be an
54:57
expansion of cinematics and I would probably be OK with it.
55:01
Maybe that's the animation? This is now a movie review show.
55:07
Well, honestly, the they've got the tests that's going to be
55:11
tomorrow. Are you going to dive in and
55:13
test it, Sean? No, I'm going to.
55:15
Be in PEI camping with my wife. OK, All right, it.
55:20
Was a it was a big yawn. So that hopefully that came
55:22
through. I will not be testing.
55:23
I will be in PEI camping with with.
55:25
My wife. All right, Lex, I assume that
55:27
you're staying pure for the actual live event, not going to
55:30
be testing this. It might be a game day decision
55:33
because I'm kind of going back and forth like when I first
55:35
heard about it, like, Oh my God, that's so cool.
55:36
Then I'm like, oh, wouldn't be so much cooler to experience it
55:39
with everyone else. And ah, so I think probably not.
55:42
Honestly, the real decision maker is that 5:00 PM EDT.
55:47
I'm still at work and I work from home, but I did spend I'm
55:51
I'm doing a lot of spoilers for our next topic, but I did spend
55:53
quite a lot of time today going through six second animation
55:58
line by line. So frame by frame is what I was
56:01
looking for. So I probably should do my
56:03
actual job and be, you know, the thing that I'm paid to do and
56:08
not play World of Warcraft. Well, yeah, I unfortunately am
56:13
without a functioning way of playing World of Warcraft, so it
56:16
looks like we're all going to be missing this, but I am going to
56:20
be hyped to see this when it is live if I can get my computer up
56:24
and running by then. With that said, Lex, you did
56:28
spend a lot of time going frame by frame on the next animation
56:34
that came out. So tell us a little bit about
56:37
this. So today, after everything else,
56:42
actually, many even texted just to kind of tell you guys what
56:45
happens to, you know, give you some behind the scenes
56:48
information. Manny texted the Frazzaroth
56:50
group saying, Oh, FYI, Blizzard released two animations today
56:56
because he was mixing up the Wow cast with the day before.
56:58
And again, I, someone is in Blizzard is not only watching
57:02
this podcast, they're in our podcast chat as well.
57:05
Because like 10 minutes later they were like, oh, Fairpoint
57:09
actually. And they dropped this six second
57:13
animation. It literally 6 seconds.
57:14
It's the fastest 6 second animation I've ever seen in my
57:17
life. Like a scene, scene, scene,
57:17
scene, scene, scene, scene. Like literally if you're going
57:20
frame by frame, you're not even going second by second.
57:24
And the only caption on it is just the word soon with I think
57:28
it had eyes. I think it had the like eyes
57:30
emoji. No, it's soon.
57:32
TMT eyes. Yeah, yeah.
57:34
OK. And they tweet this out.
57:37
It's an animated like like I, I, I guess anime asks, it's
57:43
definitely not anime, but like that's sort of like 2 1/2 D is I
57:47
think what people who know what they're talking about call it.
57:49
I don't know what I'm talking about.
57:50
So I call it like like obviously drawn, but like very clean, very
57:55
together sort of drawn animation that I'll I I was, I wasn't the
58:03
one who figured out all of the lore.
58:05
I just thought it looked cool. But that's like this like war
58:10
between the that is the blood or the high elves I guess at this
58:15
point and the orcs and trolls and there's like siege weaponry.
58:19
And then you get a shot of Alaria and presumably Valyria.
58:25
Vera. I literally said this is me and
58:28
I think I said her name wrong at the top of the show.
58:30
It doesn't matter. Alaria and the sister who
58:32
everyone forgets jumping in and then it like cuts to a war
58:36
within screen. That's it.
58:38
That's the whole thing. It's Sylvanus.
58:43
Oh, OK, yeah. No, it's it's 100% Sylvanus.
58:46
Yeah, there's been some analysis online and it's it's Sylvanus in
58:52
her blue before she's the Ranger general outfit from the Shadow
58:57
Lands cutscenes. That well then so.
58:59
It's Hilaria and Sylvanus. We're really forgotten.
59:02
Via Vera. Verisa.
59:05
Her name is. Verisa.
59:09
I think you're you're mixing her up with Valeria Sanguinar the
59:12
Rogue. Yeah.
59:15
Or Valera Sanguinar, but yeah, it's.
59:17
She's not in any of these things.
59:19
She's in the shadows of stealth man, you can't see her.
59:22
There was actually some breakdown on more of the people.
59:25
They think that the blood elf in the forefront, the priestess is
59:29
Leandron because she was a priestess of Kel Philos before
59:32
she was a paladin. And they think that one of the
59:40
Rangers behind her is, I can't remember the name, it's a friend
59:44
of theirs, Darth Ramar or something like that.
59:47
Or anyway, a friend of theirs was a he's the current Ranger
59:49
General of Silver Moon. Northamar wait, no, current
59:53
Ranger general, not region. General Yeah, yeah, yeah.
59:57
So it but it's definitely there's definitely Hilaria and
1:00:00
Silvana's jumping down and it's it looks amazing, right?
1:00:03
Like it looks like a straight out of an anime.
1:00:09
I don't think it's a show. Yeah, yeah, I, I tweeted it out.
1:00:15
Some people are not happy with me.
1:00:18
I don't think it's a show, Manny pointed out.
1:00:19
We had one in our discussion that it has an ESRB rating on
1:00:22
it, which is only tied to video game.
1:00:28
Yeah, if it was a show, it would have to have the other rating.
1:00:32
I don't know what those ones are called.
1:00:34
I'm a little confused by the like if this really is just a
1:00:41
short that they're going to put out.
1:00:43
I'm confused by the decisions they're making.
1:00:46
Like to do a pre hype of a short in an animation style that you
1:00:51
know is going to make people think it's going to be a show
1:00:55
and then but and also like a week and a half before the
1:01:01
expansion drops. So like, do we really like I'm
1:01:04
I'm I'm surprised they want us to be hyped about something that
1:01:07
isn't just the fact that the war within is coming out in a week
1:01:10
and a half. And I want now I I want to
1:01:14
revert to my previous statement that Blizzard has consistently
1:01:17
proven that they are significantly smarter than me,
1:01:20
that they have this under control.
1:01:21
They know what they're doing. So like, frankly, I am more
1:01:26
thinking that they're going to pull something out that we're
1:01:28
not expecting, be it a series of shorts, be it like a, a deep
1:01:35
dive in in war that we didn't know about.
1:01:37
Like I don't know what it could be.
1:01:39
I don't work a Blizzard or just like the greatest short ever.
1:01:42
That's going to mean that nobody's going to be feeling
1:01:44
cheated out of ATV show when it comes out.
1:01:48
I but I, I, I will say I agree. I think it probably isn't a show
1:01:54
and I I'm I'm worried that that's going to lead to people
1:01:59
feeling let down when whatever it is does come out.
1:02:03
And I'm again, just confused about the decision because the
1:02:05
people feel let down from this. Then hypers got deflated before
1:02:10
the war with it. People, people are always going
1:02:14
to like get upset about these sort of things.
1:02:17
They're, they're going to like, they're going to have in their
1:02:19
mind that they deserve like 480 gear.
1:02:22
And even if Blizzard like gives them 467 gear, they'll be upset
1:02:25
about it. It's like, I thought we were
1:02:27
done with the drama, man. There's so much drama.
1:02:30
We're making it and to be fair, there's not been any drama yet.
1:02:34
We're the problem. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:35
We're, we're now we're now predicting the drama, but like
1:02:39
in a terms of a workflow, if you've got one team that's
1:02:43
working with the in game cinematics and they're doing 1
1:02:46
cinematic, which we just talked about.
1:02:48
And then you have another team that's doing the 2 1/2 D stuff
1:02:52
and they've released it last week, which was great, which
1:02:55
they did also tease a little bit before it came out.
1:02:59
And then you have another team that is doing it in a different
1:03:01
art style. And it just so happens that
1:03:05
people go wild with this despite any earmarking that would say
1:03:10
this is done by the Electronic Software Ratings board.
1:03:14
So it's definitely tied to a game.
1:03:16
This has the War Within symbol that takes up 2/3 of the entire
1:03:22
run length. Remember this is 6 seconds guys.
1:03:24
That symbol takes up nearly half of of it.
1:03:28
The War Within. Like, I don't know how much more
1:03:33
you could brand it without realizing that people have
1:03:35
completely run away with it and then have to put out a tweet
1:03:38
being like, guys, get a hold of yourself.
1:03:42
This is to promote stuff coming in the war within.
1:03:48
And if you say that before you release it, then you're talking
1:03:52
down to your audience and that creates an entirely different
1:03:55
kind of backlash. So like, I, I don't see how
1:03:59
Blizzard wins other than saying our audience is isn't going to
1:04:03
realize what we're doing. We can't give them the benefit
1:04:06
of the doubt here. So don't do it at all or talk
1:04:10
down to them. I I just don't see it.
1:04:13
Or just released a short right, like I, I guess I'm surprised
1:04:16
that they chose to pre hype it. And that's why I think like, and
1:04:21
again, I really want to say the, the, the, the take away I have
1:04:24
and that I want people to leave with is I think it's probably a
1:04:28
cinematic. I agree.
1:04:29
I think it's probably not a show based on how it's coded and how
1:04:33
it's, you know, like how it's advertised.
1:04:35
I, I do also really think the Blizzard team is smarter than
1:04:38
me. And I really think that like
1:04:41
they have thought through the strategy of this more than I
1:04:43
will ever think through it in my entire life.
1:04:46
And there's a reason they're doing this the way it is.
1:04:48
And I, I, I have, it's going to be cool when it comes out.
1:04:51
It's going to be cool. That's my type.
1:04:54
Didn't Blizzard release like a three-part podcast before the
1:05:01
Tomb of Sargaris? Oh, that was glorious.
1:05:06
That was it wasn't a let. Me cook, let me cook yeah that's
1:05:09
that did exist so I want to confirm that it.
1:05:10
Was an audio drama. That's what I was gonna say.
1:05:12
It was an audio drama. OK, yeah, OK, now let me cook.
1:05:16
You ready for this? What if Terry and Gregory
1:05:20
tweeted this six second clip and he said I can't wait till you
1:05:22
guys see what we've been cooking up.
1:05:25
What if this because this war it looks like it takes place around
1:05:30
the same time that the blood that the elves and the humans
1:05:33
form their alliance. What if this is a three-part
1:05:37
animated short or animated short series or animated miniseries
1:05:41
that tells the story of the elves and the humans joining and
1:05:45
going to start the nation of Aerithor, which leads us to
1:05:48
Ferrin and the people in Halo Fall.
1:05:53
What if it's instead of an audio drama at the time, it's a mini
1:05:55
series? I think that's exactly what it
1:05:57
is. I I could be wrong, but I, I
1:05:59
that's 100%. I think it's going to be a mini
1:06:00
series. That would be pretty good.
1:06:03
Like but like I'm now going to use Lex's thing.
1:06:06
Oh, maybe. I would just they let.
1:06:08
Me talk. I know, I know, I know.
1:06:10
But I don't eat. The food this isn't this isn't
1:06:13
about fear. And it's not about fear, though,
1:06:15
OK, Because it has a Larry in it, right?
1:06:21
It has no nothing about Lord Mar in a tease, and if you're going
1:06:28
to tease something, you want to tease the core of it.
1:06:31
So they're talking about like the elves in the, in the first
1:06:36
war, sorry, the second war, because we, we went through
1:06:39
this, the elves didn't get directly involved with the orcs
1:06:42
until the second war. By the end of the second war,
1:06:45
Illyria's off doing the 1000 year war.
1:06:49
So this has to be a moment in the second war.
1:06:51
We, we realized that's where this is about this is, this is
1:06:57
located in terms of like what we can see.
1:07:00
There might be stuff that's out of context.
1:07:04
You don't take that tease and then show somebody something
1:07:08
completely different in in that same part that you're releasing
1:07:12
maybe later on it tails into where the Northamar and all that
1:07:19
goes. But like that is a different
1:07:24
different thing. You would tease and therefore
1:07:26
you would take different parts to tease that.
1:07:30
I hear you. I'm going to I I I OK, I will
1:07:34
say my I think it's likely to be again, I think World Warcraft is
1:07:39
smarter than me. I think it's likely to be a mini
1:07:41
series. I don't think it's going to be 1
1:07:43
short. I think that that would be a
1:07:44
really weird strategic decision to make the way that they made
1:07:47
it again, I could be wrong. Blizzard smarter than me, but I
1:07:50
I I I'm I'm with Sean that I think it's a mini series.
1:07:55
I will say one thing that Blizzard has proven in the last
1:08:02
few, you know, like the length of essentially season four,
1:08:05
right, is that they are very comfortable putting us in a
1:08:10
situation where they are purposefully only giving us
1:08:14
enough information that we can go crazy with speculation.
1:08:17
If they have faith that what they're going to pull out is
1:08:19
going to be cool enough that we're going to be excited about.
1:08:21
I think Plunderstorm, right? They just said there will be an
1:08:24
event and they put a little pirate flag and they nothing
1:08:27
else, like absolutely nothing that we could go off of to get
1:08:31
even close to the fact that it was going to be a battle Royale
1:08:36
simulator or battle Royale using the World of Warcraft engine.
1:08:39
Like what I, I, I went like we, we were going frame by frame in
1:08:43
this very short animation. And yeah, there's like,
1:08:46
obviously it's, you know, like you, you can figure out that
1:08:49
it's set in the 2nd or the 2nd war.
1:08:51
You can figure out where, you know, like certain characters,
1:08:54
but one thing that I really noticed about the short was it
1:09:00
was absurdly fast. Like they really the only real
1:09:05
point that I like the the core player, like not somebody goes
1:09:08
frame by frame in in cinematics, but just the average person
1:09:12
seeing this is like, Oh my God, war, Oh my God, org, Oh my God,
1:09:16
seed weaponry, Oh my God, jumping, Oh my God, the war
1:09:19
within right like it was it was. They didn't want This was a
1:09:24
scissor reel for sure, yeah. So I think you could make the
1:09:28
argument that the teaser was really, hey guys, something's
1:09:33
coming. What is it?
1:09:34
I don't know. You don't know either.
1:09:36
Figure it out. And I, I, I think that World of
1:09:39
Warcraft, if any team is going to pull something completely out
1:09:44
of left field after an obscenely vague teaser, it is going to be
1:09:49
the Blizzard team right now. I'm going to call you on copium
1:09:52
on that and I am so certain on it that I would like to make a
1:09:57
wager. OK.
1:09:59
If I'm right, Lex, you have to do a stream.
1:10:02
What? What is it that you think is
1:10:06
wrong that it's not a mini series?
1:10:09
Not a series of sure it's not a mini series you.
1:10:11
Don't think it's a mini series. Nope, I think it's part of the
1:10:15
pre. Expansion.
1:10:16
I want in on this. Things that they they do.
1:10:18
OK so I have this. Is myself with my cook and Lex
1:10:22
agreed with me and Lex is a very smart person.
1:10:25
Lex is a very smart person. I just feel that you guys are
1:10:28
both high on copium. So we're we're going to make
1:10:31
this an official triumphant or as an off bet here I am saying
1:10:36
that this is a one off animated short as part of the threads of
1:10:43
Destiny that we got before. And Sean, you're saying that
1:10:49
this is? A miniseries.
1:10:50
Part of a larger miniseries a. War within tie like tied to war
1:10:55
with him but I think it's a miniseries.
1:10:57
I think probably 3 episodes something.
1:11:00
Like that. So if I win, Lex owes me a
1:11:04
stream and then if you win, Lex can owe you the stream?
1:11:08
What the hell? What?
1:11:10
Would you like out of this bet, Lex?
1:11:12
I don't know. I kind of thought that Sean was
1:11:14
going to negotiate on behalf of this entire group.
1:11:18
Oh, I can, I can. I just don't know what we would
1:11:20
take from man. Like, are you OK doing a stream
1:11:22
if Manny's right? If you're comfortable with that,
1:11:25
I'll negotiate something that Manny definitely doesn't want to
1:11:28
do. Yes.
1:11:28
Yes, OK, yeah. If if I'm I'm we're so back.
1:11:30
We're so. OK, so if it's not a miniseries,
1:11:35
Lex will do a stream. I'll help you set it up so
1:11:37
everything's good. And if it is a miniseries, Manny
1:11:43
has to write the show notes. We're so good at this.
1:11:54
I don't know. I don't really do a lot of
1:11:55
gambling. We.
1:11:57
We. Will have to figure this out
1:11:58
guys. Yeah, maybe if you're in the
1:12:00
discord, you can suggest some things that we have to do with
1:12:03
team, Team Lex and Sean or I was trying to figure out a way to
1:12:08
merge our names and there's no good way or team because, well,
1:12:13
normally I do like the first letters and the last letters and
1:12:15
we can't do the first and last letters with my name 1st and
1:12:20
your name are. We not Team LON.
1:12:23
I want to meet you, LON. Oh, we could do LON.
1:12:25
Let's do LON. OK, we'll do, LON.
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Recruit a friend. Let's.
1:12:28
No, we'll do LON. We'll do LON.
1:12:31
Recruit a friend. Under score rants.
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Yeah, I like that Team LON versus Team Manny.
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Let us know in the discord what you think the the oh the prizes
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should be for who's right and who's wrong there.
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You go, but until next time guys, we are going to get out of
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here. If you do want to make that
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call, have your voice heard, join the discord that's at bit
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dot LY slash fast Discord and may all your hits be crits.