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CHILLING: LAST HOURS OF LINDSAY CLANCY'S 3 TOTS BEFORE MURDERS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Mom slits her own wrists and jumps out a window
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  Speaker 1: after killing all three of her children, the youngest just
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  Speaker 1: eight months old. There's gonna be hand to hand mutual
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  Speaker 1: combat over this case, because the prosecutor is digging in
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  Speaker 1: that mommy made a plan. The defense is digging in.
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  Speaker 1: This is not just post part of the depression. It's
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  Speaker 1: the post part of psychosis, where you actually do not
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  Speaker 1: understand what you're doing. In this case, she heard a
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  Speaker 1: quote unknown male voice ordering her to kill the children.
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  Speaker 1: Now she's claiming not guilty by reason of insanity. We
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  Speaker 1: are not bloodthirsty monsters that want a sick woman in
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  Speaker 1: general population. I don't want that. What I want is
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  Speaker 1: a true verdict. Why is nobody talking about the terror
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  Speaker 1: the children went through as they are ordered into the
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  Speaker 1: basement and one by one murdered by mommy. Lindsey Clancy
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  Speaker 1: googles ways to kill.
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  Speaker 2: So this is.
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  Speaker 3: Top three worst crime scenes I've ever been to. But
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen police officers weeping at a crime scene
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  Speaker 3: the way I did that night.
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  Speaker 1: I hear the defense lawyer saying she's been crying. She
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  Speaker 1: should be crying. They're dead.
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  Speaker 2: What did you do once you got inside? The home.
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  Speaker 4: I started taking my boots off.
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  Speaker 2: Was there anything you noticed?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: The house is really quiet.
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  Speaker 2: Is that unusual?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And when you realized it was really quiet, what did
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  Speaker 2: you do?
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  Speaker 4: I called out?
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  Speaker 2: And who did you call out to?
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  Speaker 4: Everyone?
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  Speaker 2: Did anyone answer?
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  Speaker 6: No?
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  Speaker 2: After you called out and no one? And what did
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  Speaker 2: you do next?
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  Speaker 7: I think I don't know the order, but I called
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  Speaker 7: down in the basement and no one answered. And then
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  Speaker 7: I called Lindsay to see if she was home because
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  Speaker 7: I looked out and I couldn't see her car. But
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  Speaker 7: it's because it was dark and her car's black.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So when you say you called down to the basement,
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  Speaker 2: when you approached the basement door, do you remember if
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  Speaker 2: it was open or shut? It was shut, So did
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  Speaker 2: you open it and yell down?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And there was no response?
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: That's for our friends at East Idaho News joining us
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  Speaker 1: tonight Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Matt Dave, what's the lightest, Nancy?
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  Speaker 8: We are getting some pretty shocking information from people very
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  Speaker 8: close to the children of Lindsay and Patrick Clancy. The
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  Speaker 8: day before the murders took place, Cora, their five year old,
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  Speaker 8: was having some stomach distress. And it goes back to
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  Speaker 8: Corara didn't like using the bathrooms at her preschool and
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  Speaker 8: she was having issues with that. So it was a
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  Speaker 8: regular pediatric visit with It was scheduled ahead of time
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  Speaker 8: for Lindsey to take Cora to the doctor's office at
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  Speaker 8: eight am on the day before the murders took place,
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  Speaker 8: where the doctor observed lindsay she didn't show any outward
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  Speaker 8: signs of distress. Doctor said everything seemed fine with her.
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  Speaker 8: She wasn't described as having anything going on. Little Cora
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  Speaker 8: was having some problems with her stomach and having some
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  Speaker 8: discomfort and even pain, and the doctor prescribed a laxative.
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  Speaker 8: But as for Lindsey Clancy, doctor says, nope, she seemed fine. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 8: go to preschool and this is where Cora and Dawson
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  Speaker 8: both attend. The teacher for the morning session told expressed
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  Speaker 8: how Cora was really uncomfortable. She was having stomach pain
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  Speaker 8: and it was bad enough that she was concerned because
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  Speaker 8: Cora was going to the bathroom more than normal. When
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  Speaker 8: it was time to switch the children from the morning
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  Speaker 8: session to the afternoon session where they would have a nap,
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  Speaker 8: the morning teacher talked to the afternoon teacher explaining how
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  Speaker 8: Cora was having the stomach distress and just to be
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  Speaker 8: on the lookout for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Cora laid.
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  Speaker 8: Down with all the other children on their little cots
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  Speaker 8: that they have for taking a nap. But as nap
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  Speaker 8: time wore down and it was time for the children
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  Speaker 8: to go home, Corara didn't get off her cot. She
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  Speaker 8: remained on her cot that day, again, not something that
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  Speaker 8: usually happened. When Lindsey Clancy showed up to take Cora home,
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  Speaker 8: Cora remained on the cot. She didn't want to get
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  Speaker 8: off the cot right away. Don't know exactly why, but Lindsay,
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  Speaker 8: according to the teachers, was not exhibiting anything out of
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  Speaker 8: any kind of behavior that was inconsistent with what they
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  Speaker 8: had seen. And Lindsey picked up Corara and loved honor
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  Speaker 8: and let's get you. Let's go get Dawson and we'll
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  Speaker 8: go home. So we are finding out there was that
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  Speaker 8: Coorra was experiencing some stomach distress. Did it have to
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  Speaker 8: do with what was taking place in the home, something
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  Speaker 8: that the children knew and could feel. You know, children
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  Speaker 8: have a way about these things, and something was surely
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  Speaker 8: getting to Cora Clancy that day we're also finding out
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  Speaker 8: that Lindsey Clancy was talking to others, to close friends
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  Speaker 8: about the medications she was taking. In particular, a lifelong friend,
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  Speaker 8: Amy Bevins, testified that Lindsey Clancy told her that the
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  Speaker 8: medications that she was taking were not working right, they
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  Speaker 8: didn't make her feel good. Matter of fact, she said
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  Speaker 8: it made her feel like a zombie. And in a
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  Speaker 8: shocking moment of trial testimony, Bevans said that Lendsy Clancy
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  Speaker 8: indicated that she was having dark thoughts and attributed this
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  Speaker 8: to the medication that was prescribed to her. Now, Lindsey
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  Speaker 8: Clancy told Amy Bevans that she had decided to either
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  Speaker 8: or was already doing a tapering of her medication. She
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  Speaker 8: was changing the amount she was taking. Now, we know
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  Speaker 8: that Lindsey Clancy had a number of prescriptions, so we're
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  Speaker 8: not really sure what she's referring to in tapering in
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  Speaker 8: which one she was tapering off of. But you know
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  Speaker 8: the problem with that, Nancy is real basic. Your doctor
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  Speaker 8: prescribes medication based on the examination and what all's going
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  Speaker 8: on with the patient, and they prescribe a certain dosage
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  Speaker 8: and expect a certain thing to take place. But when
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  Speaker 8: the patient takes it upon themselves to change the dosage,
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  Speaker 8: then it changes everything. A doctor cannot prescribe properly unless
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  Speaker 8: the patient is taking their medication as they're supposed to.
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  Speaker 8: According to Amy Bevins, Lindsey Clancy was altering the amount
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  Speaker 8: she was taking. Did that impact what took place?
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  Speaker 9: We don't know.
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  Speaker 8: We just know that this is new information from a
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  Speaker 8: lifelong friend that Lindsey Clancy said she felt like a zombie,
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  Speaker 8: was having dark thoughts and was tapering her medication straight out.
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  Speaker 1: To Shannon Hill. Joining us from Shannon Hill niece, Shannon,
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  Speaker 1: what more can you tell us?
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  Speaker 10: I think Day eight of the trial was very compelling.
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  Speaker 10: Lindsay's longtime friend of twenty nine years, Amy Bevins, took
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  Speaker 10: the stand and she talked about what she knew and
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  Speaker 10: what she didn't know as to what was going on
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  Speaker 10: with Lindsay Clancy at the time. She was aware of
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  Speaker 10: some of the troubles Lindsay was having on and off
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  Speaker 10: different medications and kind of trying different medications out, and
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  Speaker 10: she was aware that Lindsey was having maybe some darker thoughts,
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  Speaker 10: but wasn't so understanding of some of the specifics. Now
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  Speaker 10: this has been her friend since elementary school, and she is,
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  Speaker 10: as far as we know, as the public knows, one
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  Speaker 10: of the only people that has visited Lindsay after Lindsay
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  Speaker 10: murdered her three children. So we know that Amy Bevans
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  Speaker 10: visited Lindsay March of twenty twenty three, which was just
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  Speaker 10: two or three months after Lindsay murdered her three children.
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  Speaker 10: She talks about visiting Lindsay, but prior to going in
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  Speaker 10: to see her, Lindsay Clancy's sister mentioned to Amy not
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  Speaker 10: to say anything about the children. So when asked on
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  Speaker 10: the stand, did you guys talk about the kids, she said, no,
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  Speaker 10: we didn't. I was told not to bring it up.
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  Speaker 10: And then when asked on the stand, was Lindsey Clancy emotional,
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  Speaker 10: she said there were no tears. So this was again
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  Speaker 10: about two or three months after the incident took place.
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  Speaker 10: As the doctor took the stand to talk about what
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  Speaker 10: she saw in the autopsy results of eight month year
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  Speaker 10: old Callen, it was a very tough moment to hear
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  Speaker 10: about because she was talking about water inflammation in an
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  Speaker 10: eight month year old body that shouldn't have been there,
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  Speaker 10: blood vessels being bursted on a child who was strangled
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  Speaker 10: to death, and I think Lindsay may have been reliving
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  Speaker 10: those last few moments that she had with her child.
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  Speaker 11: And.
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  Speaker 10: I think it probably came down to her realizing over
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  Speaker 10: and over again what had took place. I think the
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  Speaker 10: public is very fifty to fifty on all of this
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  Speaker 10: I see, and I can just speak for my comment
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  Speaker 10: section of my different social media platforms. I see many
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  Speaker 10: people really sympathizing with Lindsay Clancy and the struggles she
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  Speaker 10: had with her medications and possibly not getting the proper
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  Speaker 10: protocol from the medical health professional she was seeing. On
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  Speaker 10: the flip side of that, I see people not being
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  Speaker 10: able to sympathize with her because, after all, these were
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  Speaker 10: her three children, and they had their whole lives ahead
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  Speaker 10: of them, and they trusted their mother. And when you
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  Speaker 10: listen to the testimony that took place from the pediatrician
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  Speaker 10: who saw all three of the Clancy children, she talked
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  Speaker 10: about how Lindsay Clancy brought Cora to the doctors that
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  Speaker 10: day and she saw Coorra, she saw a child that
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  Speaker 10: she had been treating for a couple of years, and
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  Speaker 10: it just it kind of I think people are struggling
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  Speaker 10: with finding sympathy for a mother who, at the end
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  Speaker 10: of the day took minutes seconds to strangle each one
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  Speaker 10: of her children. I think the struggle with the Lindsay
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  Speaker 10: Clancy case for many mothers is that and mothers in
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  Speaker 10: general who lack postpartum support after having children is that
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  Speaker 10: this was a woman who was being provided some support.
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  Speaker 10: She did have daycare three and a half days a
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  Speaker 10: week for her two oldest children, Cora and Dawson, and
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  Speaker 10: there was a part time nanny who was providing about
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  Speaker 10: twelve hours of help a week with baby Callen. And
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  Speaker 10: she actually took the stand as well and talked about
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  Speaker 10: her relationship with the children. And Lindsay Clancy's parents came
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  Speaker 10: and stayed with them to provide added support when they
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  Speaker 10: knew Lindsay was struggling, and Patrick's parents also came and
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  Speaker 10: stayed with them to provide added support. Patrick Clancy's father
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  Speaker 10: also took the stand yesterday to talk about his relationship
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  Speaker 10: with both Patrick and Lindsay, and he called Lindsay a
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  Speaker 10: wonderful mother, and he also said that he had a
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  Speaker 10: very close relationship with both Patrick and Lindsay and that
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  Speaker 10: they were aware that Lindsay was struggling to sleep at night.
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  Speaker 10: And I think this is what you would see of
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  Speaker 10: a normal family. I don't think that people were turning
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  Speaker 10: away from providing help. I think it was a situation
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  Speaker 10: that everybody was dealing with for the very first time,
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  Speaker 10: and unfortunately the circumstances ended up the way they did.
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  Speaker 2: It's that Cora, And how did she look?
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  Speaker 4: She had a band around her neck?
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  Speaker 2: And was that an exercise band?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And do you recall whether she was what position she
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  Speaker 2: was in, whether face up or face down?
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  Speaker 4: She's face down?
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  Speaker 5: And when you saw her in that condition, what did
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  Speaker 5: you do?
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  Speaker 4: I immediately ran over and tried to take the band off.
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  Speaker 2: Were you able to get the band off?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Was she responsive?
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  Speaker 4: No? I saw Karen and where was he? He was
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  Speaker 4: next to.
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  Speaker 5: Her, and how did he appear?
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  Speaker 4: He had a band around his neck? Sorry, he had
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  Speaker 4: a band around his neck.
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  Speaker 5: And did you remove that as well?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: And do you recall what position he was in?
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  Speaker 4: Same as Cora?
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  Speaker 2: After you removed the band from Kallen's neck? What did
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  Speaker 2: you do next?
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  Speaker 4: I tried to find Dawson.
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  Speaker 2: And where did you go?
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  Speaker 7: I looked in the bathroom and on the other side
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  Speaker 7: of the couch, and then I went to the other
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  Speaker 7: side of the basement and he was in my office.
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  Speaker 5: And when you saw Dawston, what condition was he in?
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  Speaker 4: I knew he was gone.
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  Speaker 5: And did he also have a band around his neck?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: And did you remove that band?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at East Idaho News joining us an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel including Shannon Hill on the case from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning at Shannon Hill News, Dave Mack, and
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  Speaker 1: doctor Catherine Berndorf. But to doctor Kendall Crowns joining us tonight,
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  Speaker 1: chief medical examiner in Terran County, that's fort Worth. Never
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  Speaker 1: a lack of business in the morgue in Fort Worth.
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  Speaker 1: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
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  Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU, and he is the star of a
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  Speaker 1: hit new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. Explain to me
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  Speaker 1: how the exercise bands, mommies. Exercise bands were used to
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  Speaker 1: strangle the three children, and the pressure necessary the force
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  Speaker 1: of exertion to use them as opposed to some other ligature,
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  Speaker 1: so as a rope.
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  Speaker 12: Certainly, so to start with an exercise band is kind
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  Speaker 12: of this stretchy latex rubber so they aren't stiff like
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  Speaker 12: a rope. You have to put pressure on it to
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  Speaker 12: hold that pressure on the neck. So it's a lot
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  Speaker 12: more difficult to use exercise bands when compared to a
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  Speaker 12: rope because of the stretchiness. So you have to really
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  Speaker 12: pull it taut and keep it taut, keep that pressure
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  Speaker 12: on the neck to kill the child, or to kill
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  Speaker 12: whoever you're strangling with them.
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  Speaker 6: They were strangled deliberately and meticulously killed by this defendant
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  Speaker 6: on January twenty fourth. One by one, she wrapped exercise
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  Speaker 6: bands around each one of the kids necks and pulled
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  Speaker 6: until their little bodies were limp and lifeless, first Dawson,
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  Speaker 6: then Kora, and finally Cant. She goes to the second
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  Speaker 6: floor master bedroom, locks the door, crashes up some pills,
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  Speaker 6: and attempts to take her own knife. She uses the
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  Speaker 6: knife she got in the kitchen to slash her wrists
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  Speaker 6: and her neck. She moves the bed away from the wall,
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  Speaker 6: away from the window. She opens that window and goes out.
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  Speaker 6: She lands on the cold, hard ground. Patrick tells the
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  Speaker 6: first responders, I need to find my kids. He had
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  Speaker 6: asked the defendant where the kids were, and she told
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  Speaker 6: them they were in the basement. So when he went
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  Speaker 6: in the house, that's the first place he went down
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  Speaker 6: into the basement. He's still on the phone with nine
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  Speaker 6: to one one when he finds each child with an
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  Speaker 6: exercise van still wrapped around their neck.
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  Speaker 13: He screams for help.
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  Speaker 6: And he says, she killed the kids.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing the felony prosecutor in this case, Shannon
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  Speaker 1: Buckingham giving her opening to the jury. That's our friends
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  Speaker 1: at East Idaho News straight out now to veteran trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: criminal divis attorney Eric Fattus, founder the law Offices of
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  Speaker 1: Eric Fattus. Okay, Eric, hit it, what's your best your
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  Speaker 1: best shot?
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  Speaker 14: You know, I'm not sure I've seen a stronger mental
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  Speaker 14: health case in this case. The jury's got to decide.
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  Speaker 14: Is Lindsey Clancy a bloodthirsty monster who delights in the
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  Speaker 14: death of her own children? Or is she someone who
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  Speaker 14: was severely deranged hearing hallucinations of voys telling her to
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  Speaker 14: kill her children on a thirteen drug cocktail and the
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  Speaker 14: person who the father of those children described as very,
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  Speaker 14: very sick at trial? Which one is she? I think
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  Speaker 14: everybody can look at the case, the historical record, things
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  Speaker 14: leading up to what happened and determined that it's the
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  Speaker 14: latter that she had suffered a psychotic break not only
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  Speaker 14: postpartum psychosis, but also by or disorder contending with multiple
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  Speaker 14: diseases or defects. Aligned with the defense statute in terms
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  Speaker 14: of a lack of criminal responsibility, a very strong mental
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  Speaker 14: health defense.
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  Speaker 1: Here straight out to Shannon Hill joining us, star of
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  Speaker 1: Shannon Hill News on Insta. Shannon, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I understand that in addition to what we're
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  Speaker 1: learning right now, Clancy breaks down as a doctor describes
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  Speaker 1: efforts to revive the children. What happened And I haven't
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  Speaker 1: even gotten to the jury going to the murder scene,
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  Speaker 1: but one thing at a time. What happened When a
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  Speaker 1: doctor described trying to revive the three children.
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  Speaker 10: As he was trying to revive the middle child, Dawson
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  Speaker 10: and Callum, both children were not showing any sort of
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  Speaker 10: brain function, and at one point they did get a
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  Speaker 10: pulse from Callum, the youngest, and that was when they
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  Speaker 10: also realized his heart was no longer repeating and they
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  Speaker 10: could not survive. And yes, Lindsay Clancy was crying in
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  Speaker 10: the courtroom when this was being talked about.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious. It's hard to watch the jury like
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  Speaker 1: a hawk when you're watching everything else in the court room.
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  Speaker 1: I remember feeling like I was watching a tennis match
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  Speaker 1: when I had time to reflect upon it in court.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've been watching the witness and looking at the jury,
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  Speaker 1: and watching the witness and looking at the jury like
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  Speaker 1: that the whole time, it's very difficult to also look
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  Speaker 1: over at the defendant. I tried not to do that
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  Speaker 1: when I was trying a case. But I wonder how
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  Speaker 1: the jury reacted to Lindsey Clancy sobbing in court. Do
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  Speaker 1: we know, Shannon?
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  Speaker 10: They continue to ask the jury to not get emotionally
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  Speaker 10: attached to any of the evidence being shown, such as
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  Speaker 10: the pajamas children's jamas that were being shown, to remain
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  Speaker 10: emotionally detached from any and all of the testimony and evidence.
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  Speaker 10: One thing that I think is really compelling is when
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  Speaker 10: Patrick Fancy testifies on the stand uh and he says
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  Speaker 10: that he sees his wife on the ground.
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  Speaker 13: He goes to her and he asks her what happened.
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  Speaker 10: She says, I tried to kill myself, and then he
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  Speaker 10: asks her where are the children? She says in the basement,
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  Speaker 10: but then doesn't proceed to tell him to go help them,
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  Speaker 10: or go check on his children, or run to them.
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  Speaker 13: You know they're they're in dire need.
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  Speaker 9: She knew, she knew right from wrong. What appears to
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  Speaker 9: be perfectly sane obviously was not. This woman, whatever happened,
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  Speaker 9: whether it was planned in her mind, committed one of
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  Speaker 9: the most heinous acts I have ever heard.
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  Speaker 10: In Summer's Street.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: As from the police pil party off the top floor
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  Speaker 9: of the house in.
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  Speaker 7: His players as well, and neck injuries and that collaborations.
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  Speaker 14: She's conscious at this time.
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: We're going to check with my play. It is over
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: at twenty football.
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  Speaker 15: It's unknown where the knight is or whatever she used
• 21:01
  Speaker 15: to split her. She's in the looks like the opinion
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: are on the back. Well, she did us a first
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: unknown where that is at this time. I'm on the
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: way when we're with the county.
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  Speaker 8: Out of the two pediatrics arrests, we're gonta mutulate on
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: the way.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: You are hearing the nine to one one calls, at
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: least part of them, because the initial nine one one
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: is from the father, the dad of those children. The
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: judge has ordered that that not be released. While we
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: are not bound by that judge's ruling. We are adhering
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to it in the interest of justice. Instead, you are
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hearing back and forth between law enforcement. Is is that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the missing piece of the puzzle. Mom slits her own
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  Speaker 1: wrists and jumps out a window after killing all three
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  Speaker 1: of her children, the youngest just eight months old.
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  Speaker 11: She's extremely emotional, However, she's unable and has been unable
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: to express any happiness or sadness or cry, And in fact,
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: sometime about a month or two ago, she made the comment,
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: I just wish that I could feel something now. Our
• 22:40
  Speaker 11: society fails miserably in treating women with post partum depression
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: or even post partum psychosis.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: From our friends at Court Chop, let me see a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: picture of the three children. We are seemingly focused seeing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: on the mom, Lindsay Clancy, and not on the three
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: murder victims who could not fight back. They were strangled
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: dead with mommy's exercise bands after she googled ways to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: kill After she googled can you treat a sociopath? After
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: writing in her journal that she resented her older two children.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: She sends the dad out for takeout food and to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the pharmacy, waits for him to leave and murders her children.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And let me remind everyone, Lindsay Clancy is presumed innocent.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Joining me Christina Rex, reporter WBZTV in the courtroom from
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the get go and on the crime scene that night,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I hear the defense lawyer saying she's been crying. Oh okay,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I guess so she should be crying. Some junctures she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: says she's crying. Sometimes she says she's not crying. I
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: don't care if she's crying. They're dead. First, before we
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: get to what's happening in the courtroom, there's going to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: be hand to hand mutual combat over this case, because
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the prosecutor is digging in that mommy made a plan.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: The defense is digging in. This is not just postpartum depression,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is postpartum psychosis. But I want to go to the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: night of the crime itself. Christina Rex, what did you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: observe at the scene?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is top three worst crime scenes I've
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: ever been to. You know, as a reporter, we're behind
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the crime scene tape, so luckily I'm not. I didn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: see the groupsome details, but I've never seen police officers
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: weeping at a crime scene the way I did that night.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: When we had gotten there, it was, you know, a
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: breaking news. We just heard it over the scanner. We
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: didn't know what was going on. We just could tell
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: it was something bad. But when I got to the
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: crime scene and I saw police officers leaving the house
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: in tears, we knew it was really, really a bad
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: situation and said.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: That Christina Rex is my understanding that it was so
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: bad that the seasoned officers had to get counseling.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not unusual in Massachusetts after a traumatic event,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: often ones involving children for the police stations to offer counseling.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: But in this case, we know, you know, officers took
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the station up on that, It took the department up
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: on that, and really did need that support because it
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: was how traumatic this crime scene was.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Straight out to Shannon Hill, joining us from Shannon Hill.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Knees Shannon. The jury shocked when they visit the crime
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that saying that was once a happy home. Explain what happened.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: That's a very unusual move. I saw it in the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Murdog case, State versus Alex Murdogg. I saw it in
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the age A Simpson case, that Karen Reid case. It
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: is fraught, fraught with potential danger what happened, Shannon, That's right, Ansy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: They do this in very few cases, but with this
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: particular case, they wanted the jury to take a ride
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: from the CBS that Patrick Clancy had gone to that
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: day and then to the three V restaurant where Patrick
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Clancy also picked up that Lindsay had requested him to
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: pick up, and then back to the house, and that
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: would give them an idea of how long a trip
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: like that would take and how long Patrick Clancy would
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: be out of the house that they were living in
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: in Duxbury. So, you know, I think being that close
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: to the scene and that close to the home I
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: under stand the inside and outside of what took place,
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: gives the jury a really strong picture of exactly what
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: happened to those children.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That day, Shannon. I'm showing you States Exhibit number forty one.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It is a view of apparently carpeted steps eating down
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: from the main dwelling area to the basement. I think
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the significance of this, much to Josh Colerothe's chagrin, will
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: be that with every step, another second passes for her
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to rethink her murderous plan. What is the claim of
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the state. How did she get the children herded into
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the basement and one child was hiding in daddy's office,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: which was also in the basement. What is significant about
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: these steps, Shannon.
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: Yes, Stanzy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 10: Now keep in mind, this was a finished basement, so
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: this was like the family's second family room. They would
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: go downstairs. There was a gym down there, there were
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: children's toys down there. The husband, Patrick Fancy had an
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: office down there. So it was very common for these
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: kids to go to the basement to see their parents
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: or play, and so another trip down to the basement
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: didn't seem out of the ordinary to these children. And
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: you're correct in saying that there was time for Lindsay
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Fancy to change her mind, going down the stairs, bringing
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: all three kids, making sure to have those exercise bands.
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  Speaker 13: This was all process, a process that she had to
• 28:13
  Speaker 13: think through.
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  Speaker 1: Conducting Christina Rex WBZTV. Had she been in mental health
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: therapy pre children? I know she had postpartum depression, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: before that, had she had treatment for schizophrenia or any
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: other mental illness?
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: So no, at least what her ex husband Patrick testified
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: to was that her mental health issues. You know, she
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: struggled and had maybe seen a therapist briefly after her
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: first or second child, but really when she got into
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: mental health treatment, numerous different kinds of treatment, was starting
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: in September of twenty twenty two, which was just, you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: four or five months before she killed the kid.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: So prior to this, there had been no extend in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: mental health treatment. She was not under medications, let's just say,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: for hallucinations, for psychosis, for schizophrenia, even for depression. Nothing.
• 29:12
  Speaker 13: Okay, that's correct.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: That's significant because the state's going to argue, so she
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: suddenly went crazy now and killed her children. And back
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to you, Fattus, why are you saying either she is
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a quote your words, not mine, a bloodthirsty monster or
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a woman that had been overprescribed serious drugs. Those aren't
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: my only two choices, and I don't really accept either
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: one of them.
• 29:41
  Speaker 15: You know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 14: I think the prosecutor's got to convince this jury that
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: Lindsey Clancy was of reasonably sound mind and did this
• 29:49
  Speaker 14: in a calculated and knowing fashion, that this was deliberate,
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: that she wanted to just off her kids. But there
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: really just isn't any significant evidence of her motive to
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: do that of a reason to do that of some
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: kind of payoff instead, according to the father Patricks, but.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Did you just motive?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: WHOA? Let me send you back in the time machine
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to criminal law one l first year. The state doesn't
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: have to prove motive. I don't have to get in
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: her head and bang around like as Granny's attic and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: figure out what the motive is. We don't have to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: prove motive, So you don't erase Jurassic erase. Okay, try again, Fattus.
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: Even though motive is not an element of the prosecution
• 30:42
  Speaker 14: has to prove. Don't you think a jury wants to
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: be given a reason why she would do this? The
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: reason they have is that she voiced some frustration about
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: some of her kids at some point. Haven't all parents
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: done that? Does that equate to a motive to strangle
• 30:58
  Speaker 14: three of your children to death?
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: I don't think it does.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Against common pectivity, don't need to show a motive. Why
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: does any parent? You know what I've got? An expert
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Bennett is joining us along with doctor Katherine Bendor.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Brian Bennett former state law enforcement officer over twenty five years,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Senior instructor in Advanced Behavioral Science at the State Police
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Academy in South Carolina sixteen years and he specializes in strangulation, assaults,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: domestic violence, and elder abuse. Brian, is there a motive
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to kill a child? Is there a good reason? Have
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you ever heard a good reason why the child has
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to die? I haven't.
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: No, I mean, never a good reason for me. Some
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: of the offenders that we've arrested in the past, they
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: formulate a reason that seems to make them feel better
• 31:47
  Speaker 16: or justify their actions. With respect to this case, and
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: one thing that I immediately thought of something I say
• 31:55
  Speaker 16: all the time, and that's some patterns always exist before
• 31:59
  Speaker 16: the time a discovery. What really matters is what do
• 32:02
  Speaker 16: those patterns tell us. Certainly we have patterns of searching
• 32:07
  Speaker 16: the internet, patterns of you know, sending the husband out.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But we also see.
• 32:12
  Speaker 16: Patterns of mental health treatment, patterns of going to doctors
• 32:17
  Speaker 16: and getting medication. So the combination of patterns and what
• 32:20
  Speaker 16: those mean are going to be really important to both
• 32:23
  Speaker 16: the prosecution and defense and what the jury determines what
• 32:27
  Speaker 16: has the most weight in their final decision.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: I ran downstairs and went outside. I just looked around
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: in the backyard below that window, and I saw.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Lindsay, and why did you see her?
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: She was face up in the backyard.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And where in the backyard was.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: She at the bottom of the window?
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: Where was she in relation.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: To that window directly below it?
• 32:53
  Speaker 13: Down here by the window?
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, she had deep cuts on her wrists and
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: she had a red line across her neck. I wasn't
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: sure what it was at first, but she cut her neck.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: From our friends at East Idaho News straight to doctor Kendall,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Crown's chief medical examiner Terran County. How many cases have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I seen? I'm trying to figure out how many. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: can't count them all. Where someone commits homicide and then
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: claim they were gonna kill themselves but they didn't, over
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and over and over, can wipe out the whole family.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And I've seen this in men and women. But when
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: it comes to killing themselves, somehow that doesn't work.
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: Oh, yes, it does happen occasionally, especially when parents kill
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: their children. They attempt suicide. Often you see it when
• 33:52
  Speaker 12: boyfriends murder their wives or something like that situation, murder
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: their girlfriends. I mean they attempt to cover up the
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: fact that they did it by attempting suicide. Often their
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: suicide attempts are superficial, so they don't cut deep into
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: a vessel, or they don't cut deep enough to kill themselves.
• 34:11
  Speaker 12: And you get this injuries, but you don't see them dying.
• 34:16
  Speaker 12: So you got to wonder where they really meaning to
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: kill themselves? Now jumping out of a second story window.
• 34:21
  Speaker 12: If she had gone head first, she might have achieved
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: what she was going for. But my assumption is she
• 34:26
  Speaker 12: went feet first, and that's why she's a paraplegic at
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: this time. So again another unsuccessful suicide attempt, and you
• 34:33
  Speaker 12: have to wonder, did she really mean to die?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Shannon Hill? What is her vocation? What does Lindsey Clancy
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: do for a living? When she worked?
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: So she was a labor and delivery nurse, So she
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: was and is very familiar with women who are going
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: through pregnancy, delivery and part of.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: So let me understand this to doctor Catherine Berndorf. To Burndorf,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: this is a woman that was in and out of
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the pediatric unit every day and labor and delivery and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: she murders her three children. I am tempted to point
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: out the irony of that, but I'm more interested in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it in a probative sense. What if anything does it
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: prove regarding her knowledge of how to kill someone and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: how not to kill herself.
• 35:28
  Speaker 17: I would reframe it and say, what you're seeing is
• 35:31
  Speaker 17: the idea that someone who has knowledge of labor and delivery,
• 35:37
  Speaker 17: or someone in the field the profession, didn't know what
• 35:41
  Speaker 17: was happening, that there's not enough education. I can't tell
• 35:44
  Speaker 17: you the number of people we treat at the Motherhood Center,
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: professionals in the field and other very respectable fields who
• 35:53
  Speaker 17: don't know what's happening to them. Their stigma, their shame,
• 35:57
  Speaker 17: there's lack of education, lack of access to treatment, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: we see this all the time. And when they get
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: to us at the Motherhood Center, they've tried to get
• 36:05
  Speaker 17: help many many times. They've been turned away, their insurances
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: haven't paid, and they are frankly just burned out of
• 36:14
  Speaker 17: trying and still ill. But they're defeated and it's very
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: hard to access this. So there's nothing.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: It is ironic, as you put it, but understandable from
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: where I sit that this can happen to anyone in
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: the field or anywhere else.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: At this hour, Lindsey Clancy is in the fight of
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: her life. She is in a court of law, she's
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: being tried for the murders of her three children. Her
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: husband was listed as both a defense witness and the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: state's witness. He was witness number one for the state.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He has moved, remarried, and started a new life trying
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to get beyond the murders of his three children. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: let me remind everyone that this defendant, Lindsay Clancy, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: all defendants are innocent until proven guilty. Proven guilty with
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: evidence that pierces the presumption of innocence and proves beyond
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt, the defendant is in fact guilty. So
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: as we go to air tonight, Lindsey Clancy is presumed innocent.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
• 37:40
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• 37:44
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• 37:50
  Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Detective Scott McKenna, NYCPD, passed
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: away in the line of duty, leaving behind a grieving wife, Dunielle,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: and son Sean American hero, Detective Scott mc kenna. Thank
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you to all of our guests. I only wish I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: had more time to explore this with them, but thank you,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us to night. Ain't
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: see Grace signing off for to night, but I'll see
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: you tomorrow night, and until then, good night friend,