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Hrishikesh Hirway Disobeys Bridger · I Said No Gifts! A comedy interview podcast with Bridger Winegar

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself
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  Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
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  Speaker 1: you're presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
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  Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey me?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts, I'm preature winegar. We're
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  Speaker 2: actually in the backyard, we haven't been here in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: and the weather is uh. It's actually working for me,
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: it's working. I don't want to speak for everyone right now,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's working for most of us. We're
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  Speaker 2: hearing the children screaming in the local elementary school. There
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: may be bells, there may be helicopters. These are all
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  Speaker 2: things that you get in an outdoor podcast, And so
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  Speaker 2: you're getting a little extra for your money. Well, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on? I clean my shoes with a magic eraser
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  Speaker 2: and that worked out really well. I shouldn't have given
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  Speaker 2: away my secret. Actually, I've been going nuts on Etsy.
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  Speaker 2: I recently got a class action settlement, let's just say
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  Speaker 2: a little settlement for a two hundred and ninety dollars
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  Speaker 2: gift card, and it's ruining my life. I have been
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  Speaker 2: thinking about how to spend these two hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 2: dollars for six weeks and I finally settled on some
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  Speaker 2: coasters and T shirts. So that's my life up until now.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'll be picking my mom up at the Burbank
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  Speaker 2: Airport this afternoon. I'm sure we'll start fighting immediately, So
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  Speaker 2: let's get into the podcast while we still can. Today's
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  Speaker 2: guest is kind of a podcast icon. I would say
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  Speaker 2: he's fantastic. He has a show that I actually listened to.
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  Speaker 2: It's Rishi Keish Hairway.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts, Thank you so much,
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  Speaker 3: thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here. It's, you know, a rare
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  Speaker 2: thing to have someone on the show who I've listened
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  Speaker 2: to before.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's I'm I was honestly thrilled and surprised to
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  Speaker 3: be invited.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't listen to a lot of podcasts
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  Speaker 2: because I listened to a lot of music, So yours
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  Speaker 2: is a nice and listener. If you're not aware of
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  Speaker 2: song and explodeer, get with the program. But yours is
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  Speaker 2: one of the rare podcasts that does both, and often
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  Speaker 2: with music that I like, Which is I mean it's
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  Speaker 2: just such a small target. You've been doing it for.
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  Speaker 3: Like ten years, more than ten years now.
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  Speaker 2: Who was your first guest?
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  Speaker 3: The postal service? Oh wow?
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  Speaker 2: And the episodes used to be significantly.
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  Speaker 3: Shorter, right, that's right. Yeah, And then I started to
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  Speaker 3: slowly learn how to make a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: How long do you think it took before you were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm really making the podcast I wanted to me.
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  Speaker 3: I think this next one could be the one.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're no, like probably between thirty and forty minutes,
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  Speaker 2: which is.
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  Speaker 3: Like twenty and thirty Oh okay, but that's significantly longer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like three times is long. Are you seeking out
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  Speaker 2: musicians to be on the show or are they coming
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  Speaker 2: to you?
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  Speaker 3: At this point, I still do a little bit of outreach,
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  Speaker 3: but it just never works out. You know. Really, the
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  Speaker 3: only people who end up wanting to do the podcast
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  Speaker 3: are people who actively want to do the podcast right
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  Speaker 3: that moment, and it's people who have you know, music
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  Speaker 3: out or some some event going on and right, So
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  Speaker 3: then it's just a lot easier to be able to
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  Speaker 3: say yes to someone who's interested in doing it than
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  Speaker 3: to try and convince somebody who's not interested in doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm familiar with that feeling. Yeah, and I'm sure on
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  Speaker 2: Alise and our book are also familiar with it. Do
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  Speaker 2: you have like a white whale? Is there somebody who'd
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  Speaker 2: really love to get on the show? Or is this
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  Speaker 2: and you also don't have to answer this question, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'll just say I feel like you're a
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  Speaker 2: much more respectful podcast host and about talking about music
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  Speaker 2: than I possibly could be. So at any point, if
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  Speaker 2: you feel uncomfortable talking about music, which is your business,
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  Speaker 2: say Bridge, cut it?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I would be more interested in knowing
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  Speaker 3: who would be on your wish list? Who would you
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  Speaker 3: like to hear on the show?
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  Speaker 2: Well you have to answer for well you think about it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to respectfully decline to you.
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  Speaker 2: I should think of something that I'd like to hear
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  Speaker 2: on your show.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that's what I meant.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what you're asking. Who would I love to hear?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: I love Dan Bahar of Destroyer. Yes, I love Grifferies
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  Speaker 2: of Super Free Animals. Who else are.
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  Speaker 3: These people whose music you love? Or you also have
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  Speaker 3: heard them speak and you'd like to hear them speak more? Both?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've had Nico case.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she was on, but I didn't get the interviewer.
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  Speaker 2: Who interviewed her, Tao Win.
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  Speaker 3: Who's guest hosting at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's troublesome for you. Who else do?
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 2: The list could go on and on. I am now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, anytime someone asks me about music, I like
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  Speaker 2: revert to this middle school panic. I think of like bullying,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's not real punk, That's essentially what I'm expecting.
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  Speaker 3: What were you listening to?
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  Speaker 2: Almost nothing? Because I grew up in a family that
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  Speaker 2: listened to almost no music whatsoever. My dad listened to
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  Speaker 2: modern country music, which I still have a huge problem with,
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  Speaker 2: and then we would kind of listen to the radio
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  Speaker 2: so that my brothers didn't really listen to music. My
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  Speaker 2: older brother for a short period had kind of an
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  Speaker 2: interesting like he would listen to Doctor Dre and Metallica,
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  Speaker 2: So those were two great combination. And then it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of nothing until ninth grade when I started just
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  Speaker 2: like finding out about music myself. What about you? What
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  Speaker 2: were you listening to in like middle school?
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  Speaker 3: In middle school, I think, well, Public Enemy in Metallica,
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  Speaker 3: Oh fantastic, that is very I love it. And and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was really like I in middle school,
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  Speaker 3: I started to get excited about music that was a
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  Speaker 3: little bit transgressive or felt transgressive. So a lot of
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  Speaker 3: gangst rap. Have you metal?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? I kind of like the most obviously transgressive
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  Speaker 2: thing that you can get into, and then I think
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  Speaker 2: you can go into more subtle tiers of that interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Would you have a favorite band in that period?
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  Speaker 3: I think Public Enemy and Metalloy those were the two
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  Speaker 3: bands that I had T shirts? Okay, which and I
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  Speaker 3: remember the first time I wore a Public Enemy shirt
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  Speaker 3: to school to middle school in seventh grade or eighth grade.
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  Speaker 3: People were very confused. They didn't know. Of course that's
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  Speaker 3: what I would be into. You know. I think I
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  Speaker 3: was a nerd, and so I think people assumed that
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  Speaker 3: I probably, I don't know, went home and listened to
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  Speaker 3: classical music only right, I sat in my room in silence.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you had an edge that you were letting people
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  Speaker 2: know about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you were much cooler middle schooler than I was.
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  Speaker 3: Certainly that's almost certainly not true.
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  Speaker 2: Fight about this. I'll fight about this all day.
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  Speaker 3: I can show you pictures. I'll look at me shirt aside.
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  Speaker 3: It was pretty rough.
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  Speaker 2: Had you bought either of those T shirts at concerts
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  Speaker 2: or were they like no, no at them all. How
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  Speaker 2: did your parents feel about that?
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  Speaker 3: They? I don't think loved it. There were definitely some
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  Speaker 3: Metallica shirts that they were explicitly against, but the one
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  Speaker 3: that I had was Ride the Lightning. Okay, sure, I
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  Speaker 3: think it just was obscure enough. They didn't really pay
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  Speaker 3: close enough attention to it that they could really object.
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  Speaker 2: And was there ever a point where they're like, we
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  Speaker 2: need to listen to the music you're listening to.
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  Speaker 3: I would try and play the music well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: into I didn't try and hide it from them. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't excited to hear it. Sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. For me it was like I had a weird
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  Speaker 2: al CD oh yeah, and it was like that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of like listening to pop music because obviously they're parodies.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there was really I think there was like
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  Speaker 2: a slight fear that my parents will be mad about it,
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  Speaker 2: and then.
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  Speaker 3: Because because he was making jokes, its not weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just listen to any type of music that was
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  Speaker 2: above Beach Boys. Yeah, and God Blessed the Beach Well
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  Speaker 2: part of the Beach Boys catalog, So yeah, there was
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  Speaker 2: a it was a lot of and then I like,
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  Speaker 2: I remember I bought a Wheezer CD in ninth grade
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  Speaker 2: and then we're just listened to that over and over
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  Speaker 2: while playing Wave Race sixty four and that kind of
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  Speaker 2: just set the table for the rest of my life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, why ruin a template that's working for you.
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  Speaker 2: Right exactly? And then as high school and you got
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  Speaker 2: into college and stuff, what sort of music were you
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  Speaker 2: listening to?
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  Speaker 3: Well? When I got into high school, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: was playing drums in bands and stuff. And then by
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  Speaker 3: the end of high school, I started playing guitar and
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  Speaker 3: I started to listen to more sort of singer songwriter stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So around that time early college, I got into Elliott
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  Speaker 3: Smith and Nick Drake and of course the sort of that.
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  Speaker 2: World right right. And this is another thing you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to answer, but whenever musician talking to a musician,
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious about their least favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Song of my own or no of somebody else's.
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  Speaker 2: And you don't have to answer. I want to.
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  Speaker 3: I understand, yeah now, and I'm in a it's a
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  Speaker 3: different thing. But there was a song in college that
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  Speaker 3: my friends used to sing specifically to annoy me, which
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  Speaker 3: was the Sugar Ray song which one Chinese food makes
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  Speaker 3: me sick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that feels like it could be any one
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  Speaker 2: of their songs Every Morning. Is that what that one's called.
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  Speaker 3: That's actually LFO Summer Girls.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry. I was a middle school girl when
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  Speaker 3: that came out, so that.
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  Speaker 2: Was Oh yes, that's the one that the girls in
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  Speaker 2: Abercrombri and Fitch song.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well there you go.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great picks a least favorite song. I think
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  Speaker 2: that even whoever was involved with that piece of music
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  Speaker 2: probably could probab look back at this point and say
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  Speaker 2: mistakes were made. Yeah, we've unleashed something on the world
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  Speaker 2: that was ultimately just kind of a bad piece of anything.
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  Speaker 3: They literally would chase me singing that song and I
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  Speaker 3: would yeah, try, that's really unfair.
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  Speaker 2: How did they find out that you found it annoying?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how it could have come up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not like you were humming it to yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. I mean maybe it was just the obvious. I
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  Speaker 2: think anyone can assume that that would be an annoying
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  Speaker 2: song to someone, And if they knew your musical preferences already,
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  Speaker 2: they probably could assume. Oh, he's not into LFO.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and suddenly my group of friends just transformed into
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  Speaker 3: my big sister and found exactly the button to push.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have an older sister? I did her musical
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  Speaker 2: taste have any influence on you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean she listened mostly to the radio when
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  Speaker 3: we were growing up, and so we kind of had
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  Speaker 3: I would say, pretty generic top forty tastes right growing up.
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  Speaker 3: At then as she got older she's five years older
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  Speaker 3: than me, she went to college and she started getting
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  Speaker 3: in I think that's really more where she found her
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  Speaker 3: her taste. But even before that, the first music I
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  Speaker 3: ever owned was because she got a Columbia House subscription
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: and she allowed me to get a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of very generous it was only a penny or exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So she's but she's been hugely influential on me,
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  Speaker 3: not just in music, but especially like with books and
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  Speaker 3: TV shows. So much of my taste has been determined
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  Speaker 3: by things that she recommended to me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so jealous of that to have someone leading the way.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and yes, really on the on the books
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  Speaker 3: and TV.
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  Speaker 2: Side, Oh yeah, I was just really to this day,
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  Speaker 2: to this day, what does she recommend it to you?
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  Speaker 3: Recently, you know recently, we I think both tried to
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: recommend the same thing to each other because we knew
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  Speaker 3: it was really a bulls eye for both of us,
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  Speaker 3: which was the the British TV show Detective Show Ludwig. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with this. Oh, it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 3: David Mitchell plays a twink. He is a puzzle setter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard about this because I love him, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: as do I. And it's but it's a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a mystery too exactly, but also funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. He he is a puzzle setter and I love
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  Speaker 3: doing crosswords and things like that. Sure, so that is
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  Speaker 3: his occupation. And he has a twin brother who is
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  Speaker 3: a detective who goes missing, okay, and so he's convinced
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  Speaker 3: by his sister in law to pose as his twin
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  Speaker 3: brother as a cop, sure, to try and find out
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  Speaker 3: what happened to his brother. This sounds wonderful, and his
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  Speaker 3: his puzzle solving and setting abilities allows him to actually
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  Speaker 3: solve crimes accidentally.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right? And I imagine each season is not too Long's.
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  Speaker 3: There's only one season? Yeah? I think it's just six seasons,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Rightish one, right, just a very easy thing to get into.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when someone recommends a show to me, I need
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  Speaker 2: to know that it's going to be less than you know,
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  Speaker 2: ten episodes before and for the initial investment.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but what about Little House on the Prairie.
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  Speaker 2: Well, okay, Little House on the Prairie is a difference.
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  Speaker 3: How did you how did you fall into that? If
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  Speaker 3: that's your criteria.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean we are kind of at a low
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  Speaker 2: point as far as television goes, at least how I feel,
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  Speaker 2: and we had run out of everything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to the end of TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to the end of quality television. It
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  Speaker 2: was like what else could there possibly be? And then
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  Speaker 2: it was just there. And Jim, my boyfriend, had seen
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  Speaker 2: He's seen every episode, knows everything about the show, and
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  Speaker 2: so he was on board with it because usually there's
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: at least an initial fight about what we'll be watching.
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  Speaker 2: And so we got into it. I became just absolutely
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with this thing. Have you ever seen it? No,
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  Speaker 2: you got to get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've seen it in terms of I've
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: seen ads for you know what, growing up. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: Michael Landon in a sort of blousey shirt.
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  Speaker 2: You haven't seen him topless yet, you will when you
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  Speaker 2: watch the show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I have a sense of his long hair
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  Speaker 3: and maybe a lot of chest hair.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're less chest hair than you would assume something
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  Speaker 2: on the prairie would have. Okay, you know that's where
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: the seventies comes in. I think where it's a he
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about how he was going to look without
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  Speaker 2: his top on. But the show is very it's wild.
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  Speaker 2: We've slowed down a little bit. We're trying to pick
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: back up. But then we got into season two and
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: watched a couple of episodes and things were rolling along,
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: and then we watched an episode that was just watching
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: them play a baseball game. The episode was watching a.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball in real time essentially.
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  Speaker 2: It was horrible. I couldn't believe. I was like, if
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: this was on TV right now, the show would be
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: canceled mid episode. There was no way that this would
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: air on modern television. But we we forced our way
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: through it and hopefully the next episode will have hopefully
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: someone will get a disease or drown in a river
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: or something. They've got to they've got to make up
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: for lost time. Yeah, yeah, this was no, absolutely not
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: this was like, you know, mid March, and they were
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  Speaker 2: just like, well we got put something in an hour
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  Speaker 2: to fill but yeah, the show was like, well there's
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: here's something with a novelty that does have about four
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  Speaker 2: hundred episodes. Let's give it a shot. And so far,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: pretty smooth sailing. It goes down very easy. It kind
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: of is the same feeling as watching reality TV because
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  Speaker 2: it's just like you don't have to be that invested
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  Speaker 2: in it. Things just roll along and it's bizarre and
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  Speaker 2: if you get distracted, you're not worried about missing a
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  Speaker 2: plot point.
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  Speaker 3: But do you actively watch or is it something where
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: you're you put it on in the background.
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  Speaker 2: We rarely put put things on in the background in
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: this house. Yeah, I approve, Like when we sit down
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  Speaker 2: to watch TV, we try not to be on our phones,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: which we often will point out to the other one
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  Speaker 2: that we're on the phone, and then there's the friction there.
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  Speaker 2: But it's I'm trying to think of a show where
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I would I guess if I was watching like House Hunters,
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  Speaker 2: I would be on my phone. But I'm just like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be part of whatever this disease is.
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  Speaker 2: I need to have be able to pay attention for
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  Speaker 2: twenty to forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so you're watching Ludwig.
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  Speaker 3: Or watch watched Ludwig and loved it? Okay, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: watch stuff? Do you ever have solo shows that you watch?
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  Speaker 3: You always watching things together?
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: What do I watch alone? I watch Secret Lives of
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Mormon Wives alone. But outside of that, we basically watch
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: everything together. I'm trying to think if, thank god, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: found a partner that like our taste overlaps in a
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: way that basically everything we want to watch is the
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I think maybe if I watch something that's like an
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: animated show, if I'm watching like old episodes of Futurama,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: that'll be on my own. But what about you?
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: I almost always watch things with my wife, Okay, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: she has stuff that she watches without me, just because
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes I'm traveling or these days, I've been
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: doing a lot of editing and working on stuff, either
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: music or podcast stuff at night, right and my workload
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: is like that this fall, and so I'll be like, well,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: we'll watch one thing together, we'll eat our dinner, and
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: then I'm I'll check out for a couple hours and
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: then come back to go to sleep, and so during
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: those times she has to find something that she can
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: watch that won't offend me that she's watched right that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: You would like to be watched. So what is what
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: is she.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Watching right now? She is watching Tennyson Prime Suspect kind
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: of say not fin it's the sort of prequel of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: the Helen Mirren British oh Inter Detective show. The amount
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: of British detective shows, I would say it makes up
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the pie truly. Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, So she's watching tennis and then you don't care
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to watch tennis, and.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, I've never I never seen it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I came in, I was like, what's that and she's like, oh,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I'm watching this show and I was like, oh, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: is it so good that it has to be good
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: enough that she wants to watch it? But not so good?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting bar.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think that's the nice thing about British
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: crime dramas is there just so many that they like.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: The spectrum of quality is everywhere. I wish I could
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: unlock an interest in more of those shows because it
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: is an endless well, yes, that people adore yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I usually choose a new show based on an IMDb rating.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, you trust an IMDb rating?
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I do, yeah, because it's you know, it's user generated, right,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: it's the fan rating, and there's often a lot of votes,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: right for popular things. But I've kind of watched all
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: the popular things, so now I'm looking at stuff that
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: maybe has slipped past me, right, right, And I've now
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: basically watched everything that is an eight or above. Okay,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: but the world of the things that are seven out
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: of ten, from seven point five to eight, it's a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: really thick slice of British mysteries.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Does that makes sense with that genre?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they're all pretty good. There are
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: so many shows that are pretty kind of good.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Weirdly, I think like the paradox with that sort
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: of like I usually within most TV or movies, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: feel like rating between seven and eight point five is
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: really good. Yeah, it's like the more interesting stuff because
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: it's not universally like, so it's got something different about
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: it that's turned off some people. But within British crime dramas,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I think you do want the absolute best. Yes, yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder why that is.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not sure, I'm with you on
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the first part. You don't agree with this, no, the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: seven to eight point defend yourself. Well, I want to
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: see the best stuff.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But I feel like, I think maybe this is mostly
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: with movies. Rotten Tomatoes is ruined what we believe as
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like a review score. Yeah, something that's one hundred percent
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: on Rotten Tomatoes, I'm like, it's probably fine.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I don't personally trust Rotten Tomatoes sort of for these reasons,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: so I go.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: To Metacritic Metacritic, but yeah, I guess metacritics a little
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: more trustworthy.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I also use Metacritic for an important reason when it
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: comes to movies, because I don't watch trailers ever, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I don't read reviews so well, not to say ever,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I will watch the trailer after I've seen the movie.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Then I'm really interested in seeing the trailer. But before
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I go to see a movie, I want to know
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: as little about it as possible, and so the only
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: way I can kind of get a sense of whether
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: something is good or not is by looking at Metacritic.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: And they have both the aggregate of the critic reviews
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: and that the user reviews. So if something's hitting now
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: you can see that something has high critic reviews and
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: low user reviews, and you might be like, this is
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: going to be homework of the movie. I don't want
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: to watch that. Sometimes you can see that it has
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: a high user review and low critic reviews, and you
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: think there's some fan service I'm getting very yeah, exactly.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Also sometimes you get the high critic reviews and then
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: low user reviews because people have decided to review bomb.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: The thing this phenomenon is, I think we need you
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: should have to have a license to use the internet. Yes,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: it's unbelievable, that's relatively new.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Like this is start to put a dent in my
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: my ability to trust Metacritic. Sure, but if things are
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: both are high on both quadrants, right, then I'm really
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: gonna check it out.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Do you show up at the movies late to avoid
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: all of the trailers?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Well this is where the real gift of pre assigned
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: seating right changed my life, because before that, yeah, I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: would I would be sitting there, not like, well I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: get a seat, or I'd have to go with someone
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and say, okay, you go ahead, you're gonna watch the trailers,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: please save me a seat, but let me see where
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: you're saying because I don't want to come in the
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: middle of the dark, being like where are you? It
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: was a whole thing, but now in so many places
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: you know where you're gonna sit. Oh yeah, And of
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: course so I can. I will do the thing where
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I'll say, does anybody want any anything from the concession stand.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: It's really great. I get to use up the time
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: and you know, do do a favor for everybody come
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: in at the last minute.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You're almost like a designated driver exactly. That's really right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: When did you start doing this? When did you create
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: this rule for yourself?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Gosh, I can't remember now, but it has been I
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: would say over fifteen years ago. Wow, amazing a long time.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: That sounds great. I mean I've the only time that
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I've done that recently in the past couple of years
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: was I saw that movie where they I think it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: a finish film, just someone I think somebody gets kidnapped
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: by Nazis and it's just deeply violent. What is this movie?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Do you remember? On Elise? Look up Finnish Nazi revenge
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: movie I've seen.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I have seen the trailer for that one.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Actually, yes, I saw. I had no see Sue yes, yes,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: see Sue saw knowing Nothing and it was quite an experience. Yeah,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: because it's incredibly violent.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd like to do that more often, especially
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: with movies. I'd like to see.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: Oh. I think that my favorite movie going experiences have
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: always been under those circumstances. When I just go in,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know what this is, and every
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: frame of the movie that I've seen is I'm seeing
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it for the first time in the context of the story.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Sounds wonderful. Yeah, I need to do that more often.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I need to know in
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: advance is the run time. Yeah, I've created a rule,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and the listener knows has heard about this too much.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: If a movie's three hours or longer, I leave ninety
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: minutes in, yeah, and then I'll see the rest later.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But maybe I need to just cut trailers out of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: my life. It's tempting, though I'm always want to take
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a peek.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I kind of like not knowing the run time too
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: oh a little bit, because it is kind of a spoiler.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about this the other day, that every
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: book kind of has a spoiler built into it because
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: you always know where you are in the story.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: That's true, that's very true, and you can know what
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: percentage you're through.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. How many times have you watched a TV show
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and you know, say a detective procedural or something, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: they're like, well this person didn't You're like, no, it's
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: you're twenty two minutes in.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not right. That's very true. Wow, But I
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: just I couldn't do it. I can't imagine getting into
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a three hour movie not knowing it was three hours. Yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I would lose my mind.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Your life. But sometimes you have to prioritize art.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I suppose maybe I should give that a shot and
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: see what it does to me chemically. I think that
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: could be devastating on me in every way.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: But do you have people who you could rely on
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to sort of be your guide in that way? So
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you can take out any kind of pre information that
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you might have and just say, hey, I'm following you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: They'll say, come to this movie. We're not going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: tell you the running time, but you just know you're
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: going to see something good and it's not going to
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: be necessarily be six hours of your life gone.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I can rely on no one in my life for anything.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I trust no one. Yeah, no, I don't think I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: would trust any of my friends or family to give
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: me to help me with that situation.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I'm lucky that my LA friends all know about my
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: weird stuff about no spoilers. They've been my friends for
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: two decades ye or, and they're all movie buffs.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Most of them work in, you know, in entertainment some aspect.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And so I can usually they can say, like this
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: one you got to see.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Right right, Well, I think there's something else we should
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: talk about that. I you know, I'm not that comfortable
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: even bringing this up with you right now, but I
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: feel like I have no choice otherwise. I thought he's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a professional, he'll come by, we'll talk, we'll chat, have
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: a nice time, and then move on with our days.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: The podcast is called they Said No Gifts. Oh ah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: so I was a little surprised. I would say, it
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: was actually shocked that you showed.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Up with a gift. I thought the show was called
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I said, No Boxed Gifts. Oh. Interesting, Now that's another
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: podcast which is a you know, And I was like, oh, yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I know, I understand No Box Gifts. That is very
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: familiar to me as an Indian person. I get it, so,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I brought you this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you you've felt like an envelope gift
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: would be.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, if I think you've if you open it,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you'll okay, you'll see. Have you ever been to an
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Indian wedding got an inventation that says no boxed gifts?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Is that a real thing within an Indian community?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: It is no boxed gift, no box gifts. Why, well,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I think you'll.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's maybe open this. It's actually I'm going to say,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this is also a nice envelope.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Oh well, you know it's a gift.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're opening it up here. Oh and a nice
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: little card with some like floral in gold. Oh my god.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Ohcation okay, So I've got twenty one dollars, which is
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: that significant?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: It's significant in that it ends in a one.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, and in the card it just says deer Bridger
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: all the best reciacs.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, okay, Well.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: This is obviously I will say this is the second
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: second episode where I've gotten cash.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm I'm sorry.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: But you've out done it. You've out done the first
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I got. I believe I got twenty dollars the first
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: time from Chris estrata. Oh okay, and I bought a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: T shirt and now I've gotten twenty one dollars. We
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: need to keep this pattern.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Going so you can get one dollar more every time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And we need to do at least four episodes a day. Okay, Well,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: then I need I want explanation. I'm so curious.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: So I so I said, no box gift. Not actually
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: what they but they will say no box gifts please, okay,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and that means give money. Oh, that's genius. Yeah, that
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that is the code for just give us money.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That's what everyone should be doing.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, that's what the appreciated present is,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: right sometimes. But the first I remember the first time
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I saw it on a wedding invitation, being like, what
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: does that mean and having to ask my parents and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: they laughed, They're like, well, obviously this is what it means.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: And then the other part of it is that for
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: all gift giving when there's money, and for Indian people,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: or at least within my family, you never give a
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: number that ends in zero. I think the superstition has
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to do with the idea that a zero, like a
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: number that ends in zero, is like a whole number.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It is a complete number. It has reached the end
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of something and actually what you are the most auspicious
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: thing is to celebrate the start of something new.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It's kind of that's very sweet. Actually, yeah, it's really
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: kind of a beautiful superstition.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I would get because I would get birthday gifts,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you know, and it would be eleven dollars a check
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: for eleven dollars, And again I had to ask why
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: is that?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And wow, yeah, that does feel like a thing where
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: everyone just kind of always seems like they're trying to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: outdo someone else. So I put another dollar in there.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: For you, I think it's there is something nice about it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: But for me, mostly it just was a superstition. Right.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: What really stuck with me is that it's bad luck
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: to give a gift that ends in a zero.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at a wedding where it's like, well things
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: are over at the end of the Did you have
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a traditional Indian wedding?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't. Okay, no, there was nothing traditional about my wedding.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Actually, what was your wedding? Like?
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: It was in Palm Springs? Oh, wonderful, it was very nice.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Part of the reason why it was untraditional is because
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: my family, and especially the people here in the US
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that I consider you know, family, our family, friends who
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: are as close as family. It's just a huge number
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: And my wife, by contrast, as a very small family.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Her entire family, you know, is I think fewer than
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: ten people. Wow, and that's remarkable. As we were filling
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: out our guest list, you know, she was like, Okay,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I've got to the end of my family. And I
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: was in you know, the fifties or sixties, we're still
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: going in. The venue was not that big, so we
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: ended up saying, Okay, we're just going to invite. I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: think the way we determined it was mutual friends of
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: ours whose houses we'd been to or they'd been to
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: our house.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That was a very good Yeah, that's that's how everyone
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: should do that.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I think it just there are so many people I'd
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: like to consider my friend. But I think that once
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: you've been to somebody's house, its just it's a literal
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and metaphor crossing of a threshold.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Right. That's a good I think even for parties and everything.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: That makes it way more efficient guest list. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: because anytime I'm planning a party, I panic, right, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: think of one person and then it like branches out
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and like, well, there are four people that kind of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: should be in behided and then if I put them
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: on that, I mean, it just falls apart so quickly.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is this is step one of every wedding.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So how many people total ended up coming in the end?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: We had ninety something people?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Okay? And did you say no boxed gifts? No?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I think we were open to anything.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Did you do a wedding registry?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: We did? We did, which feels crass.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I mean I think it is. But everyone does it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Everyone does it, literally, everyone does it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I think when it gets really crass is what you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: put on it essentrally.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, and you know there's this like honey fun
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: thing now, which is the Western way of saying no.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Box, getting right, give us some money for a honeymoon
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: or whatever. I remember, like the most egregious thing I've
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: seen seen on a wedding registry. This was years ago
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: when I was still living in Utah. Was someone requested
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: an xbox. I just thought, this isn't a Christmas lips
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a child?
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: What are you?
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Why would you ask for?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I really respect it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I guess you know, it's some people want to toast
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: her oven, someone wants to play Halo or something. But
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I remember thinking, come on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's their romantic activity.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I guess it was. I'm to blame for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: not thinking that maybe they were playing together.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, let that couple have a cooperative game experience, yes, exactly.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, wedding registry that also seems stressful to me.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: It's you know, it was actually, once you get over
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the guilt of the idea of sort of assuming that
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: people are going to give you gifts, it's it's pretty fun,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I think, right, you just go crazy, I think so.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's because the way that you
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: can do your registry I think could potentially also say
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: something about you. Of course, and in a wedding registry,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I think it's different than say, like a baby shower,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: where you're like, we just need boxes of diapers. Is
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: somebody going to get us the box of diapers? That's
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: not a fun gift to ask for or receive, right,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: but you do need it. But I think with the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: wedding registry you could hit those essentials. But it was
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: fun to be able to say, like, what's something that
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: we imagine in our dream home, you know, how do
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: we It feels like part of the imagination of your
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: future together.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Right, What sort of stuff were you putting on them?
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I think we put you know, some dishware, Okay, one
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: of the things it was it was me only like
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: home things. Right when we got married, we were living
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: in a little condo that I had lived in by
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: myself previously, and then my wife, Lindsay moved in with me,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: and this was really a chance for us to reimagine
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the space as something shared, as opposed to her living
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: with the stuff that I already had. You know, we've
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: done a little bit to try and make it a
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: shared space, but this was really like we're starting over.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: And so I think we had like a like a
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: little light fixture that we could put in the kitchen
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to replace the things that are and we had dishes
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: and things like that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Wait, so where were you registered?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I think that it was a service that lets you
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: pull in things from the place of a Yeah, so
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: we could say, oh, this lamp and then these dishes
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and in different places. You weren't locked into one retail.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like thinking back to like Macy's in two
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: thousand and three. Yeah, this is a different world. Different
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I've long thought that at some point you
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: should get to register as someone who's not who has
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: no plans to get married.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, because it is.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: A nice thing that people get at their wedding. Suddenly
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: everyone's just by furnishing their home.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I think you should be able to register for your
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Christmas presence. Sure, let someone buy you an Xbox.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Those Amazon things which I find extremely strange, but.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's time to normalize them, normalize adult Christmas wish list.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe it's time. And then I yeah, the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Xbox goes right on there.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The whole point of it is to save everyone
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: some heartache, sure, in terms of getting something that people
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: want and getting things that you want. And then you
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: don't have to have returns. Yes, so you just have
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to go to Walmart to return something.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Oh I did, that's right.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Imagine put me in a very tight spot there, registry.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have centered the registry. I've got the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: correct Apple pencil now, so everything is fine. Apple needs
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to get it together. With the amount of Apple pencils
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: they're selling, it's very confusing.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: There more than one.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, there are several and it's what are we working
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: on in the neighbor's yard. Listener, you're just going to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: hear some of this going on. This is being outdoors,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and that sounds like the machine's falling apart. I'm just
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: picturing someone back there in adjacent mask.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: That's just somebody practicing their Halloween costumes.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're going to apply for a job
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: at not scary farm or something.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: They're doing a self tape with a chainsaw.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to start doing all of my self tapes
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: with chainsaws, regardless of what character. That's not a bad idea.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I also want a headshot with a chainsaw. I'm going
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: to become the chainsaw guy.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Everybody needs a gimmick.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, this should become the next time we do photos
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: for this podcast, I'll be holding a chainsaw. No, I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: think I should create a I said no gifts registry.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: The guests can look at the registry.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: That would be great.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: You know the ways that I'm trying to cheat the system, yesimately,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what should I spend twenty
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: one dollars on?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: What do you need? Well, this is let me put
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: it this way. What don't you need, but you want.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Oh see, that's that's really what you should be spending
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: it on because it's gift money, right.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened with this class action settlement recently. Yeah,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: because usually I'll just like, I'll get a gift card
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and I'll just put in my wallet and then let
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: groceries or where food purchases drain it and then it's gone.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But I said, I'm going to be purposeful about this,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and I can do that with these twenty one dollars.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just remembering. It was last fall the Libman brothers
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: brought me a thirty dollars money order, is that right?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I think it was thirty dollars, and we had listeners
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: vote on what I spent it on, and they voted
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: on me going to get a photo shoot at the
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: JC Penny Photo Studio, and I think it ended up
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: costing me one hundred and fifty dollars, which is a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: tough pill to swall. Yeah, but I mean the photos
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: will last forever, very high quality obviously, so I'm going
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to try to avoid that situation again. But twenty one dollars.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Could you my request? Maybe? Since we started the conversation
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: this way could you spend that money on buying yourself
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: some music, maybe physical media.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea. I'm trying to get back
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: into the mode of physical media, at least with Blu rays.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm starting with Blu rays again because it, I mean,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: for so many reasons, is so much better than streaming.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I got an email last night about of sale
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: at the Criterion Collection. Oh, and I think there were
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: some things that you could get for twenty one dollars.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Did you buy anything?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I have them in my cart, but I haven't.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Didn't mean this is my style of shop. Yeah, just
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: forget it in the.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Car because I just got something from them.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: But what did you get?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I got the Blu ray of you can count on me?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Oh great choice. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should get a new play and I or
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: just even get on band camp.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Band camp yep, But I think of physical Do you
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: still have a CD player?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Do I have a CD player anywhere in my home?
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: No?
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I still have two iPods, but they need some help.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Do you have a record player?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I don't see. This is something I I've got to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: get to a place in my life where I can buy.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Once I buy a record player and begin buying records,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: it's going to ruin my life, you know, because that
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: is something I would like to have. But moving back
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: and forth across the country. With books, I finally gave
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: up on buying mostly I don't buy a lot of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I'll only get book digital books because I can't pack
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: boxes with books anymore. I mean, I I now live
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: in this house, so it's not like knock on wood.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I won't be fleeing in the night. But with records,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: it's a similar thing. And I've gotten records on this
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: podcast before and I love getting them. But there's a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: there's a fear that it's going to take over my
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: space and then just be a huge money drain.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: But CDs, I'm excited that CDs are coming back.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: They're coming back. Yeah, I'm not familiar with this. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: where do you even buy CDs?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I mean on the internet online? Sure,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: and that shows Wow. Yeah, interesting, there are CDs at
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the merch table.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Why do you feel like people are getting back into CDs?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: What I heard, I don't know if this is true,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: but what I heard is that because gen Z thinks
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: it's cool and kind of cool phenomenon art fact, novelty,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure, and I don't know if that's if
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: it's driven by irony or just or legitimate excitement or
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: just because they're into all things nineties right, But whatever
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: the reason, I'm excited about it. Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I have so many CDs at my parents' house. I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: have giant tupperware of CDs, and I'm just like, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: have no use for these cars no longer have CDs.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Well that's that's the thing that I'm hoping will change
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: if this gets big enough again, can we put CD
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: players back?
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: It would be so great. Yeah, CD players and buttons,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Let's get them back in cars. Yeah, the climate control
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: buttons on my car are I mean, there's no but
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: so I have to do looking at this thing in order.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It's an absolute nightmare. No bad engineering, I would say.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: But CDs. I feel like CDs are there are so
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: many good qualities to them. My number one thing is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: just being able to listen to it over and over. Yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: whereas with a lot of streaming services you have to
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like manually turn on the play this over button every
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: time you want to, or the shuffle thing gets all.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: It's a nightmare.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: It's a nightmare. I think that's my wish for you
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: is spend that on us.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: How WI should we charge for a CD at this point?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I think fifty dollars okay, So the price has basically
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: stayed the same. I think I feel like there was
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a point when CDs got super expensive and then dropped
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: to about when they were on their decline to like
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: nine to ninety nine, and then vanished for such a
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: long time. When a band puts out an album, now,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: does the record company still produce CDs every time?
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Well? This is part of the reason why I've been
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: thinking about it, because I'm I'm going to be putting
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: out a new album next year, and and I just
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: had to send it off to get mastered.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: The mastering engineer said, do you you know what formats?
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Am?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I am? I mastering this for it? Right? And I said,
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: you have vinyl and CD and digital? Okay? And I
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: got excited about that.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course yes, because most bands will at least
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: put out vinyl when maybe tapes. Yeah, but the CD
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: is still now it's like an option.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see CDs now, Wow, that's really fast. New
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: CDs for new music.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And see the tape renaissance when cassette tapes came back.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: It is like that it's not a good format. This
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: is driven by irony on some level, right, But a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: CD is a pretty good format.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: The quality is very good. They're more not bulky. Yeah,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm into that idea.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: You can't play vinyl in the car yet? Yeah?
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Was there ever appointment people were playing vinyl in the car? No,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: but it feels like someone probably tried at some point.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, right, this it's not.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: You go to the show. You're like, I loved this band,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I bought the vinyl. I want to listen to it
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: on my way home. Now I still have to put on.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: The streaming, right. Oh and then the other problem with
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: CDs is now that no computer has a.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Disc drive, right, No computers have anything.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just essentially an iPad with a keyboard.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just unfortunately they're just ken dolls with screens.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: For me, Yeah, because I do like to rip my
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: music if I have a CD. Oh, there's so many
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: things to worry about. But I'm gonna have to go.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I would like to go to a store and buy
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a CD. I guess Amiba has CDs. Yeah, that's mostly
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: what a meba I haven't been to Amba in a
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: long time, but you're still going through CDs there, right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I think they do still have a CD section.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe like I'm talking about this, I'm
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: talking about CDs in this way. It's like that they're
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: just totally like they really vanished pretty quickly, Yeah, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: are now back, and I guess Electronics Company are going
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: to start making portable CD players again.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I think so fascinating. I like, otherwise you can listen
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: to it in near the xbox that you get on your.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most of my music listening coincided, Like there was
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a brief period of listening to music on CDs, but
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: most of it was iPod era. So yeah, the idea
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of just like putting it one CD into a disc
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: player and then having that it's kind of foreign to me.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: And then but unfortunately you can't even put them in
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: my car. I guess I could buy an entire like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: a Honda Civic from two thousand and one. I get
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: that probably would cost almost as much as buying a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: new CD player or a new CD, yeah, or a
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: new CD. I worked at best Buy for a brief period,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and that was there was very little employee discount, but
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you could get a CD for five or six dollars
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: and it was a dream world just buying CD after
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: CD for half the price.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: As an aside, can I tell you that I really
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: love hearing all of the other jobs that you had
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: in your past to be I think one of the
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: things that I really appreciate in the way that the
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: show is there are these anecdotes that come up that
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: revealed the sort of multitude of lives that you lived.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Life I've stumbled through. Oh my god, if you saw
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: my resume, you'd be like, this person cannot be trusted to.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I have a job. I have the same thing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: What was your first job?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: My very first job was as a bookshelvert at the library.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which is probably I bet that feels like
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: a satisfying job.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: It was great. I really enjoyed it. I love libraries. Yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: see my above comments about being a nerd, and so
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: it was great to be able to be in the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: library and get paid to do it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Right, You get to be in a nice, peaceful atmosphere.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: You probably get to see books that you weren't you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: haven't really thought about before because you're seeing everybody's books
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and it's Were you ever infuriated when somebody would reshelve
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the book themselves?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: No, I don't know if it would have even occurred
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: to me that that happened, because you know, I'd show
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: up the library and like, here's the here's the many
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: carts of books that.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you didn't have to worry about the reorganization.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who does that at the library? Well, I would,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: you know, have to take take it and put it
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: back in the right place. But once it was and
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: if you're you're on the shelf and you see things
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: are out of order.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You do it yourself there. But yeah, I because I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: feel like you could really make librarians a life life
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: a nightmare.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I reshl Yeah. But then I went from that,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: uh to then my my job that summer was working
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: in McDonald's.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, what a swing. Yeah, were you uh front counter
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: or a cook front counter?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Only I was fourteen, so I was not allowed to
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: to work anywhere else.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Was that like a state law?
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I think? So yeah, oh yeah that's going on in
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the McDonald's. It's child labor laws.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Good for them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd make fries. You can make fries.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Actually, it's like the most dangerous thing to make.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was, you know, outside of the the kitchen,
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: so I couldn't couldn't go to where there they were,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: like the interesting burners.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: But because I feel like there's very little going on
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: in the mc donald's kitchen outside of boiling hot oil.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that was part of it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: No one should be handling. Yeah, that feels like a
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: machines job. Wow, how interesting? How long were you McDonald's for.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Just the summer? The summer? Okay, yeah, how.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Was that as a job. I've never I've worked in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: plenty of front counter at restaurants, but not at a McDonald's.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have to say I didn't mind it. Okay,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: you know, I certainly wished, I guess I had a
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: job that required more thinking or something, but it was.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It was fine. It was I liked going to the
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: mall and I liked McDonald's and dream job. There just
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: weren't that many options at fourteen years old for a job.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: But I needed to work, so that was kind of
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: that was kind of it. Yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: My first job at that age was it was at
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Schlatsky's Deli. Oh yeah, which is a miserable experience. Yeah,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I mean parts of it are fun. Did you have
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: to do any of the dishwashing or anything? No, okay,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: once you get I don't think.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: That they're our dishes to Washington McDonald's. Great, it's only.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Point paper packaging, right, There's probably very little back there
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: that needs to be cleaned, right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the grills and stuff like that, But that was
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: what the adults did, or at least you know, and
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: anybody who was over the age of sixteen to me,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't adult.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Right. Meanwhile, you're living your teenage dream. Yeah, how interesting.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: The worst part of any food job, I would say,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: is closing, Okay, just agony being there at the end
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of the day and having to clean everything up, especially
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: if somebody shows up late.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like as a society, most people at this
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: point have it's kind of occurred to them. Oh maybe
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: don't show up ten minutes before a restaurant closes and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: then stay for an hour after.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: So you worked in a place that had that was
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: a standalone Yes, I worked in the mall.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, and the mall has very strict like get out.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Or also just it's not our problem if you're in
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the food court.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Oh interesting, right, what else was in the food court.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Oh God, paint me a picture. I don't remember what
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: else was there. What I remember most was to come
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to the McDonald's. It was not the sort of like
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: main front entrance. The closest entrance was the side entrance
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: where there was an old navy Oh interesting.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the clothes must have smelled like French fries.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: It's a feature, not absolute feature.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: This comes from the French fry old day. Yeah, just
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: greasy smelling clothing. Okay, well, I'm gonna buy some at
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: least one.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: CD with grease, which do you know, No, you'll buy Yeah,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: that's a great I think maybe maybe your listeners can.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not letting anybody not with music.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't even let your friends recommend a movie
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm very picky. I'm I'm not crossing that bridge.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: But what I will do is I'll pick an artist
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: who's alive and active, so some of the money can
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: go to them. Excellent, and uh, I'll let everybody know
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: once I buy the CD.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, great, yeah, well you please please tell me.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be purchased new because obviously you use none
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: of the money will go to the artist. This is
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: going to take again. This is what happens to me.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I begin overthinking, and in my life it just chips
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: away at my mental health.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: So really, I've given you homework.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: You've given me homework in there probably the most difficult way.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: But I'm really excited. I haven't bought I can't remember
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: the last CD I even bought. I mean it was
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: probably in twenty twenty ten, maybe, yeah, I wonder what
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been buying vinyl just because it's more fun.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: To buy, it's more collectible.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Put on the record. But I'm excited, and also because
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I don't have a way to play a CD right now, right,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: But I'm going to invest, reinvest. I have so many
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: CDs sitting in my garage.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and minor are in good conditions. Oh yeah, do
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you remember the first CD you bought?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, the very first CD that I bought with money
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: that I made working McDonald's, because that's what I used
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: the moments to buy my first CD player and first CD.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: It was the last Action Hero soundtrack.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Who was on that soundtrack?
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: The main theme was performed by Buckethead, Oh, and it
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: was the score was composed by Michael Kayman. I think
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a CDC was on the soundtrack, and yeah, there was something.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: It had a little bit of a hard rock and
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the movie.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: That was the one where like Arnold Schwarzenegger comes out
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: of the screen, yeah, or someone goes into the score
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: both both. Wow, World's really collide? Yeah, I do think
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I saw that movie.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I saw it again just recently at videots.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it holds up very well.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: It's great. It was really perfect film. Yeah, what's the conceit?
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Why does why do the world's collide in that film?
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: You know, like some magic ticket kind of scientist.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it makes perfect logics.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Was it an original a CDC song for the film
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: or was it a.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: I think it?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think it was tough to hear. You know,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: you want one of their hits. Yeah, I don't want
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: them composing a new song.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: You don't know it could have been a hit. You
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: have to be optimistic.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be optimistic about them writing a
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: new song. For that.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: You have to put a dollar at the end of
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: their their gift. It's the start of something new.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: No, I feel like at this point in their career,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: we were at twenty dollars. Okay, well, I'm excited for
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: my adventure in CD buying.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I think they might have written that like a new
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: song that might have been called Last Action Hero.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: On Elise, can you confirmat in fact check the track,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: let's find out. I'd like to hear the title of
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: their song for this movie.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Last Action Hero by Tesla, Oh, by Tesla?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Tesla? Tesla was a band.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Interesting they shredded?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think we should play a game. Okay,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to play a game called Gift or a Curse.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: But I need a number between one and ten.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: From and has to be between one and ten.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's up to you.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: How about twelve twelve?
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Okay twelve? Wow, you've really broken a rule hair, Yeah,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: and I appreciate that, act.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I just feel like we've already started talking about superstitions,
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: which are really the biggest curse that you can give
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: someone as a gift. Oh, absolutely the worst thing that
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: I've gotten from my family and really anybody, anybody who
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: wants to tell me a new superstition, I instantly believe
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm instantly cursed by.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're planting a seed of paranoia in someone's brain exactly. Well,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: they cannot let go for the rest of their life.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because what if it's Yeah, that's real. And so
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: twelve is my lucky number. Okay, okay, so you know
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try and counteract that a little bit
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: with a little positive superstition.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, lucky superstision. Okay, I have to do some like
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: calculating to get our game pieces. You can promote, recommend,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: do whatever you want.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Thank you so much for speaking kindly
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: about song Exploder. I have another podcast that I make
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: these days called Home Cooking, which is a show about
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: cooking my friend Samine nos Rat, who is incredible chef
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: and cookbook author. She wrote Salt, Fat, Asset Heat, and
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: she has a new book called Good Things. We've Been
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: We started in the pandemic and it's sort of a
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: call in question, question and answer format. We try and
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: help people who were struggling with the ingredients or techniques
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: or things like that. And mainly it was something we
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: started for a little bit of companionship during the pandemic
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: in lockdown, and now we've brought it back and that's
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: been really fun.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: That sounds great. Were you cooking prior to this podcast.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm not a trained or expert to
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: cook anything like that. I'm sort of like I could
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: sort of a guy for a meal right together with
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: the press. Actually, I can improvise a meal, and in fact,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I'm probably better at that than following. I'm very bad
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: at following a recipe.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure, sure and correct me if I'm wrong. You
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: like chocolate chip cookies, that is correct, and you bake them?
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Do you have your own recipe?
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I have a few that I feel like I've made
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: that I'm excited about.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, what's your ideal cookie?
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: There's one that I that I made that I was
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: excited by where I didn't have quite enough of either
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: like chocolate chips or chocolate chunks. Okay, bar right for thing,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So I just I combined the two, but then it
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: still wasn't quite enough, so I also threw in It
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: was basically like a kitchen sink kind of chocolate cookie
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: where I also had raisins and pecans and coconut.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, And that was sounds.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Fantastic because then I didn't have to choose, you know,
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: one thing or other is just it's kind of.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: A trail mixed cookie. Yeah, that sounds fantastic. I love
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: to bake a cookie.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Really.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm baking constant well, baking only chocol the
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: chip cookies.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Essentially, what podcast can I start that you will bring
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: me chocolate cookies?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a great question. I can't come on song exploder.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You should create a baking podcast.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I have a newsletter that is called Accept Cookies.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, perfect, So maybe the ideal. I'll bring it
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: to the newsletter. Great, great, great, you find me on
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: your newsletter. Okay, this is how we play Gift or
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: a Curse. I'm going to name three things, and you're
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: going to tell me if there're a gift or a
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: curse and why. Oh, then I will tell you if
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers. All right,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: This first one is from the senurnamed Annie. Gift or
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: a curse when streaming services ask you to choose which
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: AD experience you'd prefer.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: And there's no way to get out of this by
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: just paying your way to the ad free tier.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: No, there's as far as Annie here is concerned. You
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: started up and they ask you which of these would
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: you prefer? Is that a gift or a curse. I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: suppose it's a gift, because I know what my answer is.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: My answer, give me all the ads at the beginning.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Don't break up the thing in the middle of it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm, as you might have gathered, kind of
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: dogmatic about the way that I watch things, and I
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: don't want to be interrupted right in the middle of
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: the act or something like that, especially artificially, because so
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: many things are made now where they it wasn't intended
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: with the three acts, I mean, with the commercial breaks
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: right right, So you're gonna throw ads in there just
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: while in the you know.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: It gets chaotic. Sometimes the ad breaks become in the weirdest.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Spot at this point halfway through a sentence.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, but it feels like a glitch sometimes.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I appreciate. I guess that they're not forcing
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: that upon me, and I'll take my ads up front. Please,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: So gift wrong verse.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, First of all, don't make me complicit in the
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: ad experience. Just you're the one creating the problem with
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the ads. Just force them on me in whatever way you.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Want, whatever way you want.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be part of the decision making
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: with the ads. It's not my job. Just shove the
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: ads down my throat wherever you want. Wow, don't I
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to have to click one more button.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I've never been so happy to be wrong.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got one wrong, and that's fine. This next
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: one is from a listener named Jeff Gift or a
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: curse sitting in multi thousand dollars massage massage chairs at
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: airports or them all but not paying to use them.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: So they're just chairs.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I guess there're those giant chairs with the you know,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: they probably cover your legs on some way. If the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: machine was running, it would be crushing your body.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Sure, I think that's a gift because I'm always grateful
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: for a chair. I mean, like it's giving it's already
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: giving me two options. I could not use the chair standing,
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: or here's a second option. And even when it's not working,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: it's still a chair. And if it's the massage chair,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: it's probably more comfortable than whatever plastic nonsense is in
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: the regular area.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Correct, Gift. Look, I'm not giving them my money, but
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: the chair is there.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: To take advantage of the airport.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: At the mall, you're kind of getting a discount massage yes.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: You're getting a little something, yeah, beyond the bench that
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: they provide or whatever. And I don't know, I feel like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: why not, why not experience the leather in the mall? Yeah,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: be covered up by you know, in the airport, and
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: they're usually further away from everyone else. It's a quiet
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: spot and it's a chance to be confronted by security.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: So why not. My friends and I have something that
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: we call cheap thrills, which is the opportunity to do
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: something that costs nothing, right, but it adds a little excitement.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Like when you're walking down the street and there's a
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: little curb raised curb, you can just walk on that
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: like a tight rope for a few feet until it ends,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and then you hop back.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Oh that sounds great.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: That was a cheap thrill. That was more exciting than
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: just walking on the sidewalk and an unoperational massage share.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's free. That's a cheap thrill.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Your heart is pounding thinking, I am kind of breaking
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: a rule right now. I'm supposed to be paying for this.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I'm wasting the space.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just upgraded my experience of sitting.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: What a bargain.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a gift.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: All right, you've gotten one right so far. This final
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: one is from a listener named John. Gift or a
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: curse when a video game has a fishing minigame as
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: a bonus, A what kind of mini game? A fishing minigameishing.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Minigame where if you play it correctly, someone steals your
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: identity and your credit rights.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: You're you know, you get a weird text and you
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: just said, well I might know this person. I'll give
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: them my social security number? Why not?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: What's about a gift about that?
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: No?
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: You mean an f I okay, yeah, because I was
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: also kind of hoping that maybe there's a to game
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: that you're can unlock where you listen to fish.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Albums other than the video game is like fifty hours long.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly and mostly silly. But there are a lot
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: of people.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Who there's so many people that are so passionate liking
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: every part of that. Yes, they find a way to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: enjoy the entire improvised video game.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I have never encountered a video game where there's a secret.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Fishing fishing mini game.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I have played games where there's like a there's gwent
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: you know in the Witcher games. Oh yeah, of course,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: where it's like a it's a card game, right, yeah,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: and you can just get lost in quent and and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: I'll say that's a gift because that's just that's just
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: more game.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, correct gift. Why not have a fishing mini
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: game in every video game Mortal Kombat, you should be
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: able to fish in that that would.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Be great and use your special powers, you know, like like.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: The Scorpion throws his thing into the water and catch fish. Yes, exactly, Wow,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: they I feel like Mortal Kombat. Actually every character probably
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: has something they could use that would make them a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: better fisher person.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting Mortal Kombat reach out.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I'm rethinking all games and seeing how flawed they are
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: for not having a fish.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Do you play a lot of video games. We've talked
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: about your Xbox I play.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I play probably two to three complete video games a year.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I love playing video games, but I rarely like sit
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: down to play them anymore.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: But why was that.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Attention span? All sorts of things. A lot of video
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: games now just don't really appeal to me as a person.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of them just feel like worse movies.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: So, but when I get into a video game, I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: absolutely adore it. And one video game that had a
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: phishing mini game was a couple of the Zelda games
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: had fishing mini games. I love phishing in these things.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Very satisfying to catch a fish. Yeah, every game should
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: have the ability to fish. It's just a nice break
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: from what else, what the other thing you're doing?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. I just recently, as in like last week,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: climbed out of the hole that I had dug for
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: myself by starting Ghost of Sushima.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, my boyfriend's in the middle of Ghost of Yote.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Well I'm excited about that. When and I thought I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: should play the first one so I can get all
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: the references, right, you don't want to see the sequel, right,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: so this is very you all the in jokes you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: know you'd be missing, yeah, all.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: And those games are very comedy. Yet that feels like
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: a game that could have a fishing mini game.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Well, I felt like there's this It is sort of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: a thing that helps unlock the actual game. But you know,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: all the little moments where you get to go follow
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: a fox around, right and find a shrine and then
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: you get to pet the fox afterwards.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Wonderful idea.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Really, just I was so happy that there was the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: part where you can pet the fox. That was a great, great,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: great little break from all the just you know, killing
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: and brutal beheading and stuff like that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that game. I've more and more
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: like violence and video games stresses me out. I'm not
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: like opposed to it, but I'm just like, just take
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: all of that out and let me follow the animal
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: through the woods. That's I've got too much else in
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: my life.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of the everything else but the fishing game.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I just need to buy a fishing game. Yeah,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that's probably my problem. Well you got two out of three,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: all right, not too bad.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I still stand by my first answer.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's up to you. I don't know what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: to tell you. Okay, this is the final segment of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: the podcast. It's called I said no emails, and people
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: are writing in or sending voicemails to voice notes. I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: suppose that are sixty seconds long in a quiet place.
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  Speaker 2: I said no gets at gmail dot com. We hope
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  Speaker 2: answer question.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'd love to.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into it here. Let's see. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Now this one just starts with bridge or usually they
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  Speaker 2: say and guests. So this person's not.
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  Speaker 3: Very considerate, explicitly excluding me.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I would love for you to participate, even
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  Speaker 2: though this person doesn't deserve it, it says Bridger. My
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  Speaker 2: mom is turning seventy and in all that time I
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: have never given her a gift that she's liked. She's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: extremely frugal, and her major concern is how much did
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: it cost? Or was this purchase with a coupon? And
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: for God's sake, why not We live in the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: She's a big fan of murder mysteries but already has
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: a ton of books. I hop yarn, sign language and bland,
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  Speaker 2: breakfast food with decaf, but hates alcohol, technology, gun lobbyists,
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  Speaker 2: and couponless monetary decisions. Do you have any suggestions as
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  Speaker 2: a gift expert, Christopher Christopher, Oh, okay, well again, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry I didn't include you. Whatever sounds like he's I mean,
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  Speaker 2: has failed his mom in so many ways.
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  Speaker 3: This is a great question for you, especially as you're
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  Speaker 3: about to go pick up your mom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I didn't even think about that. Now,
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  Speaker 2: my mom, when I give her a gift where there's
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of crying, she's impossible to.
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  Speaker 3: Give a gift to oh, crying because she's unhappy.
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  Speaker 2: No, that she's just like she doesn't want us to
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  Speaker 2: give her anything else our way in a sweet way,
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  Speaker 2: which is also so infuriating because it's like, Mom, please
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  Speaker 2: let me just give you something. Yeah. But I think
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: she and I are finally on the same page as like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I give up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you bringing her a gift when you go
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  Speaker 3: pick her.
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  Speaker 2: Up to No, she won't take anything. Yeah, it has
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  Speaker 2: to be. It's very well. I did send her a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: nice little snoopy tile recently from our friend Dave Clock
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Dave reach Out, but that was a thing that was
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: through the mail, and she loves snoopy, so I thought
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: she can't resist.
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  Speaker 3: You're not there for her to protest against it. Yeah.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: So but what does this mom want? She loves going
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: to I Hop and Bland breakfast food.
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  Speaker 3: I think the answer would be for Christopher to use
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  Speaker 3: a coupon to buy the ingredients to make pancakes at
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  Speaker 3: home for his mom.
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  Speaker 2: This feels like he's trying to teach her a lesson.
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  Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if the pancakes turn out well
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: or not, because apparently.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't really care. These could be essentially just flour
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  Speaker 2: and water.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he could potentially, you know, not even mention
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he bought the ingredients, just say I'm
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: inviting you over to make you food. Then she's not
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: thinking about the sort of the consumeris right, consumer's part
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: of it. But then if she says, how much did
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: you spend on this, he can say, well, I used
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: a coupon.
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  Speaker 2: I used a coupon. There's nothing you can complain about, mom,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: this is your ultimate gift.
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  Speaker 3: And it's also just such a loving act to make
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: pancakes or someone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, although if someone made pancakes for me but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I had to drive to them, I'd be like, you're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: really ruining my morning. Don't make me do something in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: the morning.
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  Speaker 3: It has I have to What about night pancakes?
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  Speaker 2: Night pancakes, Well, now we're getting getting into territory of like, well,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: they've got to be very good.
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  Speaker 3: Pancakes, Like, have you ever had night I Hop pancakes?
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  Speaker 2: Going to I Hop late at night is a fun experience,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: going to a diner late at night. Yeah, maybe he
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: takes her to I Hop late at night.
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  Speaker 3: But then she could potentially complain about spending money.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if he gets the coupon. Yeah, or if he
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: there's got to be another way to get the price down,
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  Speaker 2: I hop kind of haggle with the waiter.
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  Speaker 3: Can you use your connections to get an I hop
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  Speaker 3: sponsorship that you can then transfer a coupon code over
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  Speaker 3: to Christopher.
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  Speaker 2: I imagine I hoop will just give me a franchise
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll be Bridger's ie Hop and I will
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: give this one customer a slight discount on pancakes for
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: his mom. He has to pay full price for his pancakes.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: That's only fair.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's perfectly fair. And considering that I had
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: to read his.
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  Speaker 3: Email, considering he didn't even include me.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the emotional labor he's made us do here has
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: been disgusting, and his mom hates him. You know, he's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: he's struck out as far as I'm concerned with the gifts.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: So the final and he can make one final attempt
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: have her over for a flower and water pancakes and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: see what that does to the relationship. You know, she's seventy,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: it's time to start experimenting. I think we answered the
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  Speaker 2: question perfectly, Christopher. And if Christopher writes back in I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: don't you know I don't even I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: You already said no email, I.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Said no emails. This one, this one crossed a lot
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  Speaker 2: of lines for me. Well, I've got twenty one dollars
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: for my future CD purchase. I'm so excited about this
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: to go to the record store and buy a CD.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: I'm going to seem so gen z. Everyone's going to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: be looking at me and I'll have my la boo
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: boo and La booo must be out at this point, right,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be. The trend was probably
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: dead like four months ago.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: I think if this many people know about it, Yeah,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: it's no longer cool.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: It might almost be like in the irony psychologists. Yeah,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: things go very fast these days. I'm very excited about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: my twenty one dollars and I've had such a lovely
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: time with you here.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you could consider changing the name of the show too,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: I said, no boxed gifts.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe that can be our show together?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh, and then people just bring us cash.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, great, And then it will become a huge you know,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: it's going to become a lawsuit at some point. There'll
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: be a bitter court battle between the two of us
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: trying to divvy up the cash. Yeah, but until that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: point will have a great time.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be a class action suit and then you'll
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: have to spend more on.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here, Thank you so much for
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: having me listener. The podcast is over. I hate to
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: break it to you, but I imagine you know how
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: most podcasts work, and you certainly don't how this one works.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: So don't you know, don't feign like you've thought that
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: this was going to keep going, because it wasn't. I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: have to get out of here, move on, I love you, goodbye.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. Our
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: senior producer is on A Lisa now Nelson, and our
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: is by miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: it without our booker, Patrick Cottner. You must follow the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: show on Instagram at I said No Gifts, that's where
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I invit?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Did you hear? Thunna made myself perfectly clear, But you're
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: a guess. To me, You gotta come to me empty,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: And I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: already had too much stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me?