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Sharri | 11 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show tonight, full coverage of the Trump
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Speaker 3: Camala debate. We'll cross live to Washington. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: have the Republican spokeswoman on the show. Well, is the
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Speaker 3: party happy with how Trump haddled the presidential debate? We'll
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Speaker 3: get the insiders take, Plus I'll go through the top
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Speaker 3: moments from the debate with Michael Kroger and Gary Hargrave.
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Speaker 3: But first to the protests in Melbourne today.
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Speaker 2: What a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Police doused in acid and horse manure, bins set on fire,
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Speaker 3: rocks and rotten apples, tomatoes hurled, and balloons reportedly filled
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Speaker 3: with vomit throne. Can these pro Palestinian and other radical
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Speaker 3: protesters get any more vile? The scenes that we saw
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Speaker 3: on the streets of Melbourne today were nothing short of despicable,
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Speaker 3: an out of control protest where the woke set who
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Speaker 3: claimed to be against conflict really lost the plot.
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Speaker 2: They're so woke that they.
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Speaker 3: Demand someone is counseled if they don't get their pronouns right.
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Speaker 3: Yet they're happy to violently hurl objects at the police,
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Speaker 3: dows police in liquid acid, and engage.
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Speaker 2: In animal cruelty to horses and all.
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Speaker 3: On the anniversary of the September eleventh terror attacks. The
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Speaker 3: Daily Mail called it our day of shame and it
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Speaker 3: was forty two arrested so far. Out of the fifteen hundred.
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Speaker 2: Who took to the streets.
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven police officers required medical treatment and police were
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Speaker 3: left with no option but to use rubber bullets and
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Speaker 3: capsicum spray to control this unruly lot, tactics not used
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Speaker 3: since the COVID lockdown, and then the protesters had the
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Speaker 3: hide to complain. They felt sorry for themselves, posting photographs
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Speaker 3: online of their bruises.
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Speaker 4: You can see here you go, they're quite literally throwing
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Speaker 4: things at the police as they're trying to do their job.
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Speaker 5: That was really difficult to see.
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Speaker 3: This protest was meant to be an anti war rally,
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Speaker 3: but these protesters are obviously not against conflict if this
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Speaker 3: is how they behave, and it makes a mockery of
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Speaker 3: the cause they claimed to support. The protests were so
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Speaker 3: vile they even shocked the Prime Minister and Victorian Premier
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Speaker 3: Jacinta Allen, who publicly condemned them.
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Speaker 4: People have a.
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Speaker 6: Right to protest, but they should make sure that they
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Speaker 6: do it in a respectful manner. This event is bringing
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Speaker 6: in a massive economic benefit to Victoria.
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Speaker 7: There is the right to protest peacefully, of course, but
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Speaker 7: to behave in such a disgraceful way towards members of
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Speaker 7: Victoria Police who were there doing their job.
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Speaker 4: They came with intent to provoke, to attack.
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Speaker 2: What we saw today was not peaceful and it.
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Speaker 3: All began during peak hour early this morning, when parents
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Speaker 3: were trying to rush kids to school and workers were
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Speaker 3: trying to get into the office. But should we be
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Speaker 3: surprised by this, because this is what happens when law
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Speaker 3: enforcement failed to stop the Opera House protest or the
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Speaker 3: assaults by Palestinian activists at the Melbourne City town Hall steps.
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Speaker 3: What can Anthony Albanezi and Premieer just into Alan expect
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Speaker 3: when police have ignored or turned a blind eye to
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Speaker 3: the aggression, violence and lawlessness of the pro Palestinian mob
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Speaker 3: for months.
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Speaker 2: Today is the culmination.
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Speaker 3: This is what happens when activists think they run the town,
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Speaker 3: They don't believe they need to follow the law, and
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Speaker 3: each protest gets.
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Speaker 2: More and more violent.
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Speaker 3: Well, let today be a wake up call to the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister and the premiers to police and law enforcement agencies.
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Speaker 3: Enough is enough, and I'm going to get my panels
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Speaker 3: take on this a bit later. Michael, Michael Kroger will
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Speaker 3: join us from Melbourne and he's got a lot to
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Speaker 3: say on these vile events that unfolded today. But now
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Speaker 3: let's go to the fallout from the highly anticipated presidential debate.
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris has been widely nominated in the media as
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Speaker 3: the winner of the debate, while the moderators have been
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Speaker 3: panned for bias. From the first sentence Kamala uttered, it
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Speaker 3: was clear that she was going to ignore the questions
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Speaker 3: asked and get away with it. Instead, she gave carefully scripted,
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Speaker 3: rehearsed answers that suited her narrative. She turned questions about
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Speaker 3: her own policy backflips into stories about her childhood, and
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Speaker 3: then turned them into attacks on the former president. Her
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Speaker 3: preparation paid off, and this must have come as shock
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Speaker 3: to Team Trump. Kamala Harris had been afraid of giving
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Speaker 3: live interviews. She's, as you know, shied away from any
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Speaker 3: serious scrutiny. She even asked to be able to bring
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Speaker 3: notes into this debate.
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Speaker 2: She exceeded expectations.
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Speaker 3: She performed well, and the moderators allowed her to give
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Speaker 3: her spin without actually answering their questions. The same treatment
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Speaker 3: was not afforded to Donald Trump. Okay, I'm going to
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Speaker 3: go through now the top moments from the debate and
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Speaker 3: to analyze them. Let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: president Michael Kroger and Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, gentlemen.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: The first, the first tough.
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Speaker 3: Question to Kamala Harris came forty minutes into the debate
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Speaker 3: and she was asked why her policy positions on many
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Speaker 3: issues had changed so dramatically. But instead of answering the question,
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Speaker 3: she used it as an opportunity to talk about her
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Speaker 3: values based on her mother and her family background, and
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Speaker 3: she then quite amazingly shifted the answer into an attack
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Speaker 3: on Trump for having four hundred million dollars. This was
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Speaker 3: quite something to watch, really for any politician.
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Speaker 8: Have a look Vice President Harrison. Your last run for president,
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Speaker 8: you said you wanted to ban fracking, Now you don't.
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Speaker 8: You wanted mandatory government buyback programs for assault weapons. Now
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Speaker 8: your campaign says you don't. You supported decriminalizing border crossings.
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Speaker 8: Now you're taking a harder line. I know you say
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Speaker 8: that your values have not changed, So then why have
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Speaker 8: so many of your policy positions changed?
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Speaker 9: The values I bring to the importance of home ownership,
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Speaker 9: knowing not everybody got handed four hundred million dollars on
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Speaker 9: a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times is
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Speaker 9: a value that I bring to my work just now.
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Speaker 2: Kamala would have known this question was coming. It was an.
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Speaker 3: Obvious question, and we know that she was tucked away
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Speaker 3: for days preparing with her team, and her team crafted
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Speaker 3: away for her to turn a question that was meant
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Speaker 3: to scrutin HAIs her own policies into an attack on
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Speaker 3: Trump without ever having to answer the questions about why
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Speaker 3: her policy positions had changed so drastically. Michael, this was
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Speaker 3: actually a masterful approach, and we saw the moderators just let.
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Speaker 2: Her get away with it.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and you can summarize the debate this way. Trump
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Speaker 10: was Trump ill prepared, rambling, and no killer punches for
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Speaker 10: her until right at the end. He let the debate
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Speaker 10: be about him and his presidency. And it was only
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Speaker 10: at the end he reminded people she'd been and vice
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Speaker 10: president for three and eighty years. On the other hand,
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Speaker 10: she will have said to her advisors I really don't
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Speaker 10: know what to do with this debate. Tell me what
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Speaker 10: I need to do, tell me what I need to say.
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Speaker 10: They crafted all of those phrases for how she'd appear.
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Speaker 10: That you should look at Trump during the debate, shake
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Speaker 10: his hand aggressively at the beginning, going over to him.
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Speaker 1: She was like an.
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Speaker 10: Actor, as people have said, like Robert Read in The Candidate,
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Speaker 10: she just said to the advisors, tell me what I
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Speaker 10: need to do, and say she did it, And I
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Speaker 10: thought she did it very well. If there's any doubster
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Speaker 10: who won the debate, if you understand betting odds, she
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Speaker 10: went from two dollars fourteen and during the debate her
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Speaker 10: odds shortened. She ended up at a dollar ninety one.
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Speaker 10: So all during the debate, the betting markets were saying,
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Speaker 10: she's winning this debate, and the bad news of Trump
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Speaker 10: is I think she did. There were low expectations and
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Speaker 10: she exceeded them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't forget, of course that it's reported that
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Speaker 3: she has the best strategic advisors from the team Barack
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Speaker 3: Obama around her as well, so she has the best
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Speaker 3: people who are helping.
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Speaker 2: Her prepare for this. But Gary, her preparation paid off.
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Speaker 3: And it looked like Trump just didn't have answers worked
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Speaker 3: out to some of the attack lines that were clearly
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Speaker 3: going to come his way.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, except Trump was a little more home spun the
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Speaker 11: usual Trump staff and Hollywood. Harris was just following the
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Speaker 11: directions she got from the people who were directing her,
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Speaker 11: and she did. She learned a line, she came up
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Speaker 11: with a few attack points, she kept coming back to it.
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Speaker 11: I watched how she wanted to get to certain Crutch phrases,
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Speaker 11: which then triggered a thought in her mind. I think
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Speaker 11: she was too scripted. I don't think she was genuine.
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Speaker 11: I think she was making stuff up. And I think
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Speaker 11: there was something like seventeen lies in the first few
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Speaker 11: minutes of that according to some commentators. Look, Hillary Clinton
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Speaker 11: won the debate as well, so did Joe Biden. When
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Speaker 11: you know, you stop and look at it, you just
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Speaker 11: know there's a long way to go. I don't think
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Speaker 11: it's moved the needle one way or the other. Trump
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Speaker 11: supporters will be angry with the moderators, and rightly so,
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Speaker 11: and Harris supporters will think this is a pyrrhic victory,
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Speaker 11: But I don't know whether it actually achieves what they want,
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Speaker 11: which is to win the presidency.
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Speaker 2: Wilson, I mean the last debate.
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Speaker 3: Of course, you know Biden did so poorly that it
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Speaker 3: effectively led to the end of his present, not his presidency,
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Speaker 3: but his candidacy. But you mentioned the moderators, so have
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Speaker 3: a look at this. Trump was hounded if he didn't
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Speaker 3: properly answer a.
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Speaker 12: Questions Springfield, Ohio, and ABCDWS did reach out to the
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Speaker 12: city manager there. He told us there had been no
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Speaker 12: credible reports of President Trump. As you know, the FBI
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Speaker 12: says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country.
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Speaker 12: But you have said, quote you lost by a whisker
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Speaker 12: that you quote didn't quote make it that you came
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Speaker 12: up a little bit short. You did bring up something
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Speaker 12: you said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin? Vice
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Speaker 12: President Harris, have you ever met Vladimir Putin?
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Speaker 3: Michael Donald Trump himself came out afterwards. He went on
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Speaker 3: Sean Hannity's show afterwards and he said it was three
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Speaker 3: against one.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree with.
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Speaker 10: That, Oh, no doubt about that. You were watching it,
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Speaker 10: You're thinking this can't be right. But this is the
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Speaker 10: American you know, left wing press doing their best to
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Speaker 10: help Harris Win. But Trump didn't help himself. I mean,
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Speaker 10: you know, I think she will be a hopeless president.
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Speaker 10: I think he's completely incapable of running the free world.
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Speaker 10: She's been invisible as a vice president. No one can
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Speaker 10: name a single achievement of hers. But Donald Trump was
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Speaker 10: ill disciplined, as I said, And you know, I think
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Speaker 10: it's the sign of Trump over eight years. I think
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Speaker 10: he says to people, you know, I've got here on
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Speaker 10: my own. I don't need to listen to all you people.
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Speaker 10: And you saw that performance today. He wasn't against someone
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Speaker 10: today who had early stage dementia. And she was clever
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Speaker 10: enough to say to her advisers, I don't know what
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Speaker 10: I'm doing to me what I need to say, and
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Speaker 10: she did it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, Meghan Kelly wrote a piece today where she said
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Speaker 3: that the head of ABC News, and it was ABC
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Speaker 3: News in the US that hosted this debate.
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Speaker 2: She wrote that the head of ABC.
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Speaker 3: News, Dana Walden, is a close friend of Kamala's and
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Speaker 3: is apparently responsible for Kamalin meeting her husband.
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Speaker 2: So and Megan's argument is that it was actually a.
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Speaker 3: Mistake for the Republicans to agree to a debate on
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Speaker 3: the ABC, Gary Hargrave, what do you think about that.
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Speaker 1: Look, I've been on both sides of this.
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Speaker 11: I've been a politician, I've been an inquirer, as a
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Speaker 11: journalist or a reporter. Look, I just simply say to
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Speaker 11: you that Harris did what I always tell people in
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Speaker 11: politics to do. Answer the question you want to answer.
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Speaker 11: In other words, tell them what you want to tell him.
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Speaker 11: But the thing that these guys didn't do, the ABC
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Speaker 11: guys didn't do, and it's pretty evident they're supported by management,
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Speaker 11: which as you say, is close to.
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Speaker 1: Harris, is they just didn't pursue her.
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Speaker 11: They just gave her the easy run, the easy way,
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Speaker 11: and they just basically picked on Trump. Now, I've got
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Speaker 11: to tell you it's angered a lot of people at
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Speaker 11: the Trump base, and I think it's going to galvanize
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Speaker 11: a lot of people to get out the vote.
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Speaker 1: So, look, we will see.
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Speaker 11: There's another what six or eight weeks to go A
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Speaker 11: long way to go.
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Speaker 1: A week is a long time in politics. We've got
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Speaker 1: six or eight of those ahead of a Shari.
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Speaker 3: No, we do, indeed, But I still want to go
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Speaker 3: through some of the biggest moments from the debate today
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Speaker 3: because it might be the only debate that the two
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Speaker 3: of them do, and to me, it was clear that
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Speaker 3: Kamala had Trump on the defensive. He was defending his
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Speaker 3: record as president, and he wasn't really able to put
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Speaker 3: the focus back on her until right at the end.
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Speaker 3: She was able to present herself as a new candidate,
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Speaker 3: as though she weren't part of the Biden team, and
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Speaker 3: her very first answer in the debate set the tone.
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Speaker 3: The question was whether Americans were better off now than
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Speaker 3: they were three years ago in the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you might ask the same question of our
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister alban Easy. But instead of answer that, Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris took the opportunity to speak about her personal background.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, Vice President Harris, you and President Trump
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Speaker 12: were elected four years ago, and your opponent on the
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Speaker 12: stage here tonight often asks his supporters, are you better
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Speaker 12: off than you were four years ago?
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Speaker 1: When it comes to the economy?
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Speaker 12: Do you believe Americans are better off than they were
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Speaker 12: four years ago?
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Speaker 9: So I was raised as a middle class kid.
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Speaker 3: And she went on, I mean, Michael Craigan, this is
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Speaker 3: one of the biggest issues, the cost of living. She
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Speaker 3: didn't even pretend to try and answer.
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Speaker 10: It's right, that's right, that's right, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I have to get away with telling a
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Speaker 3: story about your family background when you're asked about, you know, inflation.
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Speaker 2: In the cost of lipping.
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Speaker 10: Well, of course the moderators weren't intent on pursuing it.
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Speaker 10: But this is where Trump should have exactly. He had
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Speaker 10: a minute after that, of course, to answer you.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 10: Trump's whole problem is he is so ill disciplined. I mean,
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Speaker 10: politics is a very Gary knows as well as I do.
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Speaker 10: It's a very it's a very complex business in many respects,
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Speaker 10: and when you're in a presidential debate for your political life,
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Speaker 10: perhaps you don't know everything. Perhaps it's wise to say
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Speaker 10: to people, perhaps no strategy better than you. How do
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Speaker 10: you think this will play out? I'm absolutely sure from
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Speaker 10: having talked to people over the years in the Republican
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Speaker 10: Party that no one can tell Trump anything. You know,
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Speaker 10: As I said, he says, I got here on man,
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Speaker 10: I don't need you people, And you could tell that today, right,
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Speaker 10: he was lost. He's on about the dogs being eaten,
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Speaker 10: you know in all this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that.
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Speaker 1: He didn't pursue her.
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Speaker 10: I mean, as I said, this was a debate about
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Speaker 10: Ronald Trump, not about her three and a half years
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Speaker 10: as vice president and wa Cherry, this is the first
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Speaker 10: time a lot of Americans will have actually seen her.
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Speaker 10: Most people don't know anything about her. I mean, most
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Speaker 10: people don't know she's vice president. This is the first
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Speaker 10: time they've seen her in a debate and listened to
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Speaker 10: her for an extended period of time because she's invisible elsewhere.
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Speaker 10: You can't see her apart from a clipper to rally,
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Speaker 10: and people have gone away thinking, Yeah, she wasn't too bad.
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Speaker 10: I don't know what people are saying that she's done
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Speaker 10: or insipid or I don know. If she was out
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Speaker 10: there and she did quite.
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Speaker 1: A good job.
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Speaker 10: That'll be the takeout from today's debate. And if she's smart,
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Speaker 10: she will not do another debate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, although her.
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Speaker 3: Team have already immediately demanded a second debate, and it's
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Speaker 3: now Trump who hasn't agreed at this point of in time. Look,
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Speaker 3: abortion featured as the second topic after the cost of living,
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Speaker 3: which says something about how big this issue is in America,
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Speaker 3: unlike in Australia. Again, Trump was put under scrutiny, but
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Speaker 3: Kamala got away without answering the question about whether she's
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Speaker 3: supported late her abortions.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that exchange.
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Speaker 13: You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,
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Speaker 13: ninth month, seventh month?
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Speaker 4: Okay, would you do that? Why don't you ask that question?
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Speaker 1: And that's the question which the question you.
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Speaker 13: Could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,
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Speaker 13: the ninth month.
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Speaker 3: Look Gary again, the moderators, they did fact check Trump
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Speaker 3: and they said there were no abortions which would be
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Speaker 3: murder after babies had been born. But then they didn't
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Speaker 3: follow up to ask Kamala the question about whether she
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Speaker 3: did support late term abortions.
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Speaker 2: You know that they just swept over this.
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Speaker 11: And Sharry fact checking the fact checkers found that there
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Speaker 11: were five or six examples of that in fantaside, basically
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Speaker 11: after a baby's being born, after an abortion that went wrong.
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Speaker 11: I hate this subject by Jude, but I've been watching
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Speaker 11: and listening to the commentary on this, and all I'm
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Speaker 11: saying to is this that I think your analysis and
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Speaker 11: your interest in the specifics of this is only a
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Speaker 11: minute interest by comparison to a lot of people in
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Speaker 11: America who did watch this and listen closely, and I
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Speaker 11: think they will see through Kamala's phoniness and her bull
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Speaker 11: tish And you know, Michael's probably right that there's a
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Speaker 11: whole lot of you know, superfluous stuff that people thought
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Speaker 11: she wasn't too bad.
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Speaker 1: We're expecting it to fail. There was no words sued.
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Speaker 11: I get all of that, But when push comes to shoves,
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Speaker 11: she didn't answer questions that were important to Americans around
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Speaker 11: kitchen tables, like the cost of living, like the fact
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Speaker 11: that some things grocery items have gone to fifty to
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Speaker 11: eighty percent in America, just like they have here over
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Speaker 11: the last couple of years. Like the fact that American
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Speaker 11: jobs are being lost off shore because of things being
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Speaker 11: brought in from other countries, just like here.
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Speaker 1: The price of fuel gone through the roof, just like here.
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Speaker 11: I mean, on all these different things that are real
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Speaker 11: to people, there were no real answers from Harris. And
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Speaker 11: I think she'll get marked down about this once people
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Speaker 11: start to really look at it and say, you know what,
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Speaker 11: she actually didn't tell me anything. Yeah, she looked Hollywood,
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Speaker 11: but you know, heavens, we've got you know, Taylor Swift
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Speaker 11: and Barbara streisand Mark Hamill and all these people who
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Speaker 11: are just pumping for her. I think Americans are over it, Charie.
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Speaker 11: I think they're over it, and I think that Trump
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Speaker 11: actually looks like the merchant of change again. If Americans
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Speaker 11: want change, that's where they're going to go.
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Speaker 3: I don't know about that analysis. But look, we're going
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Speaker 3: to come back to this topic on the show. I've
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Speaker 3: got the Republican official spokeswoman coming on the show. We'll
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Speaker 3: see whether they were happy with the debate, what she
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Speaker 3: has to say about the minerators. Also, Adam Crichton's going
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Speaker 3: to join me live in Washington. But let's return now
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Speaker 3: to these vile, violent protests in Melbourne today. Absolute mayhem,
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Speaker 3: Michael Croker. I mean, these protesters pretend they want peace,
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Speaker 3: but then they were so violent. I mean twenty four
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Speaker 3: police officers have had to have medical treatment police horses.
19:56
Speaker 2: They were crawled to police horses.
19:58
Speaker 3: I bet you many of these as his claim that
20:01
Speaker 3: they're against animal cruelty.
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Speaker 10: So what people around Australia have to understand the Victoria
20:08
Speaker 10: is we have about five thousand professional demonstrators in this state.
20:17
Speaker 10: It's a Wednesday here, but we still had several thousand
20:19
Speaker 10: not having to work and we're able.
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Speaker 1: To demonstrate Sherry.
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Speaker 10: Victoria has a mixture of Palestinian extremists, left wing fascists,
20:30
Speaker 10: Neo Nazis, Aboriginal extremists, Antifa supporters, and anarchists. It's an
20:37
Speaker 10: intersection of all of those people. So an anti war
20:40
Speaker 10: demonstration the Palestinian flags are raging, but those groups of extremists,
20:46
Speaker 10: and you add to that a few global warming extremists, etc.
20:49
Speaker 1: Etc.
20:50
Speaker 10: That montage of people, that montage of hatred of the
20:55
Speaker 10: West is the core of these demonstrations in Victoria. There's
20:58
Speaker 10: about five thousand people that the Palestinian rally on Sunday,
21:03
Speaker 10: now that they're at the anti war rally today. Next
21:06
Speaker 10: week a lot of them will be an extinction rebellion protests, etc.
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Speaker 1: Center. That's about five thousand of them.
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Speaker 10: The problem with Victoria is this the state Victorian labor
21:17
Speaker 10: government for ten years has let these extremists run a
21:23
Speaker 10: muck in this state. In the city of Melbourne, they've
21:26
Speaker 10: took powers away from the police, including the move on
21:29
Speaker 10: laws that Robert Clark brought in when he was Attorney
21:31
Speaker 10: General in the Bayu government a decade ago. Right the
21:35
Speaker 10: state labor government are in charge of policing in this
21:37
Speaker 10: state and they have allowed this situation to occur.
21:41
Speaker 1: And it is shocking that.
21:42
Speaker 10: Young, young Australian only Victorian policemen and women have to
21:46
Speaker 10: go to work and put up with this disgusting behavior.
21:50
Speaker 10: Who would want to be a policeman or woman in
21:51
Speaker 10: this state when you have an insipid week labor government
21:55
Speaker 10: that is intimidated by extremists, as Albanize is intimidated by
21:59
Speaker 10: a left wing extremes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just.
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Speaker 10: Cindra Allison, just surreleant, stand up to these left wing extremists,
22:06
Speaker 10: ployse stand up to them.
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Speaker 2: I agree.
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Speaker 3: This is the culmination of ten to eleven months now
22:12
Speaker 3: of just being weak or taking no action, barely any
22:15
Speaker 3: arrests on people who are being openly violent on the streets.
22:20
Speaker 3: I mean, how many politicians officers have we seen seriously
22:24
Speaker 3: targeted violence graffiti? How many rests have been made from those?
22:29
Speaker 3: I mean, if there have been, it's not been in
22:33
Speaker 3: a big public way. So there's no deterrence here. Gary,
22:36
Speaker 3: don't you think this is part of the problem.
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Speaker 11: And look in Victoria does have a huge protest organization,
22:43
Speaker 11: There's no doubt about it. It's twenty four years today
22:45
Speaker 11: since the s eleven riots against the West basically took
22:50
Speaker 11: place in Melbourne when the were World Economic Forum. I've
22:53
Speaker 11: got a few years about that, but they were meeting
22:55
Speaker 11: in Melbourne twenty four years ago, September of two thousand and.
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Speaker 1: Of course I know.
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Speaker 11: I just simply say to you, this is a tradition,
23:02
Speaker 11: This is a second generation of the same anarchists.
23:05
Speaker 1: And Michael's right.
23:06
Speaker 11: There are people who just hate the West. They look
23:09
Speaker 11: for any excuse to disorient the West. And yet we're
23:12
Speaker 11: talking about a gathering of people who are selling munitions
23:18
Speaker 11: arms a credible event. We had the same thing in
23:21
Speaker 11: Brisbane a couple of years ago and the same sort
23:24
Speaker 11: of things happened there. The Greens are at the heart
23:26
Speaker 11: of this. They give comfort to all of this. But
23:29
Speaker 11: it's the radical anarchist the people who just hate Australia.
23:32
Speaker 11: They look for any excuse to come out. And as
23:33
Speaker 11: I said twenty four years ago, today the same thing
23:36
Speaker 11: was happening in Melbourne, the same thing, and of course
23:39
Speaker 11: since then the only rubber bullets that have been fired
23:42
Speaker 11: have been at COVID protesters.
23:43
Speaker 1: So you know, it's just Melbourne has lost its way.
23:47
Speaker 11: It's sad the great city of Melbourne is now the
23:50
Speaker 11: place to flea. That's what the number plate should say,
23:52
Speaker 11: Victoria the place to Flea. It's a real problem and
23:57
Speaker 11: until there's a change of government down there, there's not
23:59
Speaker 11: going to be any change of approach on this.
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Speaker 3: I think yeah, and it comes down ultimately to political leadership.
24:04
Speaker 3: Were yet to see whether the protests, you know, tomorrow
24:07
Speaker 3: might be as bad as today.
24:09
Speaker 2: Look, we just don't know. We hope not.
24:11
Speaker 3: Just quickly before we go, I want to finish on
24:14
Speaker 3: a story by my colleague Caroline Marcus. She revealed that
24:18
Speaker 3: a University of Sydney's staff member who was put in
24:21
Speaker 3: charge of managing complaints about the pro Palestinian protests along
24:26
Speaker 3: with anti Semitic incidents on campus, actually appeared to have
24:31
Speaker 3: posted anti Israel content online herself. According to Caroline's report,
24:36
Speaker 3: she accused the Israeli government of genocide, and she dismissed
24:40
Speaker 3: a complaint from a Jewish academic staff member about the
24:44
Speaker 3: calls for Interfada, saying that it couldn't be classified as
24:48
Speaker 3: hate speech.
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Speaker 2: Michael.
24:50
Speaker 3: She has since been removed from the job, But imagine
24:53
Speaker 3: someone who has an anti Israel position. According to what
24:56
Speaker 3: she's posting online. Being in charge of managing complaints tells
25:00
Speaker 3: you everything about the University of Sydney, doesn't it.
25:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it does.
25:05
Speaker 10: And congratulations to those Jewish students in Sydney who are
25:10
Speaker 10: campaigning for the removal of the appalling, discredited Mark Scott.
25:14
Speaker 10: All strength to their arm. I hope they succeed. But
25:17
Speaker 10: what do you think, what do you expect under under
25:19
Speaker 10: Mark Scott? Whose performance has been disgraceful. He's brought enormous
25:23
Speaker 10: discredit upon Sydney University, which is now must be plummeting
25:27
Speaker 10: in the rankings of universities of prestige. The only performance
25:32
Speaker 10: worse than the Sydney University performance is that of the
25:34
Speaker 10: Australian National University, who've since allowed a Hummas supporter who
25:38
Speaker 10: was expelled to come back to campus. I mean, shame
25:41
Speaker 10: on the A and U, Shame on these universities. And
25:44
Speaker 10: I don't think you'll see all this behavior. By the way,
25:46
Speaker 10: if Sarah Henderson, if Dutton's elected Prime Minister, Sarah Henderson
25:50
Speaker 10: becomes Education Minister in this country, all this nonsense will
25:53
Speaker 10: stop under her.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:56
Speaker 3: Well, they've certainly indicated they would be very tough on
25:58
Speaker 3: this all right, Michael Croaker, Gary Hargrave, thank you for
26:02
Speaker 3: your time. Now let's go live now to Washington. The
26:06
Speaker 3: reaction has been from the presidential debate as we've been
26:09
Speaker 3: discussing that Kamala Harris performed better than expected. Most people
26:13
Speaker 3: say she won the debate, but we're not any clearer
26:16
Speaker 3: on her policy platforms. The Australian's Washington correspondent Adam Crichton
26:21
Speaker 3: joins me.
26:21
Speaker 2: Now, Adam, great to see you.
26:23
Speaker 3: Look you've written tonight in an article for The OS
26:27
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump failed to link Kamala's poor record as
26:32
Speaker 3: part of the current Biden administration sufficiently, and I think
26:35
Speaker 3: this is right. He allowed her to present as a
26:39
Speaker 3: fresh pair of hands.
26:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, that's true. I mean he finished actually quite well.
26:46
Speaker 4: I thought at the end of the nine minute debate
26:47
Speaker 4: he really emphasized the fact that she's been in this
26:49
Speaker 4: administration for three and a half years, and so if
26:52
Speaker 4: she has all these policy ideas, then you know, why
26:54
Speaker 4: haven't they already been implemented? And so he finished well
26:57
Speaker 4: on that, But you know, we had ninety minutes to
26:59
Speaker 4: dwell on that, and I don't think he really did sufficiently.
27:02
Speaker 4: So look, I think he appeared tired, he appeared angry,
27:06
Speaker 4: and as you just said, I think the expectations bar
27:08
Speaker 4: for Harris was very low, and she exceeded it. She'd
27:11
Speaker 4: been practicing for five days. You know, she's a polished
27:14
Speaker 4: fifty nine year old politician. She's not an eighty one
27:16
Speaker 4: year old. So it was a much harder contest for
27:20
Speaker 4: Donald Trump this time. And I just think that his
27:22
Speaker 4: lack of preparation really showed on the night. He didn't
27:25
Speaker 4: have any great one liners. You know, she had a
27:27
Speaker 4: lot of one liners he didn't. So look, I think overall,
27:31
Speaker 4: the you know, the fact that the betting markets moved
27:33
Speaker 4: away from Donald Trump from about you know, fifty four
27:36
Speaker 4: percent chance of winning to forty seven percent chance over
27:38
Speaker 4: the ninety percent, sorry, over the ninety minutes. Rather, I
27:42
Speaker 4: think that basically sums up the outcome.
27:45
Speaker 2: For the night.
27:46
Speaker 3: And I think the debates are incredibly important because, you know,
27:50
Speaker 3: apart from the news that you hear in the media
27:53
Speaker 3: and people might just get snippets of things here and
27:56
Speaker 3: here and there, this was an opportunity for millions of Americans,
27:59
Speaker 3: some undecided voters, to tune in and hear directly from
28:03
Speaker 3: Trump and Kamala and the way Kamala presented, you know,
28:07
Speaker 3: she was smiley. She might have won over some female voters.
28:12
Speaker 3: She presented as a more palatable option, perhaps, whereas Trump
28:18
Speaker 3: might have seemed a bit more aggressive or even angry,
28:21
Speaker 3: because Kamala did bait him. She attacked him multiple times,
28:26
Speaker 3: and he took the bait. She was almost deliberately trying
28:30
Speaker 3: to get him annoyed. You know, she said, world leaders
28:32
Speaker 3: are embarrassed by him. She said, you know, top military
28:38
Speaker 3: figures say that he's a disgrace. No one goes to
28:41
Speaker 3: his rallies. People not no one goes there, but people
28:44
Speaker 3: get bored and leave early. All these things that you
28:47
Speaker 3: could see got to him because he is an emotional figure.
28:50
Speaker 3: So do you think this debate, you know, would have
28:54
Speaker 3: changed the minds of some undecided voters.
28:59
Speaker 4: Well, I don't really think so. I mean, and in
29:02
Speaker 4: the history of presidential debates, they typically don't make much difference,
29:05
Speaker 4: to be honest, with the actual outcome of the election.
29:07
Speaker 4: I think we put so much focus on this one.
29:09
Speaker 4: Be of course, what happened in June was so spectacular,
29:12
Speaker 4: but we really didn't see anything like this. And look,
29:16
Speaker 4: this was actually the earliest presidential debate except for the
29:18
Speaker 4: one in June, since two thousand and four. So there's
29:21
Speaker 4: still fifty four to fifty five days to go until
29:24
Speaker 4: the election. Plenty of time for stuff ups on both sides. Look,
29:28
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think for women, you know,
29:30
Speaker 4: you know, not that I can talk obviously not a woman,
29:32
Speaker 4: but certainly to the extent that the issue of abortion
29:37
Speaker 4: was a discussed, I think she spoke pretty well, and
29:39
Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump probably really failed to, you know,
29:43
Speaker 4: to prosecute the idea, which is a good one in
29:44
Speaker 4: my view, that you know, that the issue is i
29:46
Speaker 4: mean is now back with the states in the US,
29:48
Speaker 4: and that's a very democratic outcome, if you like. But
29:52
Speaker 4: he didn't really excel there. And yes, look as you say,
29:54
Speaker 4: I mean, she baited him all over the place on
29:56
Speaker 4: his criminal record, on crowd sizes, on his inheritance his father. Yes,
30:01
Speaker 4: so look, he just wasn't prepared.
30:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, it put him on the defense of the whole time. Adam,
30:06
Speaker 3: I want to go to one of the most crazy
30:08
Speaker 3: moments that has got now a lot of media coverage
30:11
Speaker 3: out of the debate, and that of course, is when
30:13
Speaker 3: Donald Trump said that immigrants were eating.
30:18
Speaker 2: Their pets, their cats and dogs.
30:21
Speaker 3: This has been on social media for a couple of
30:23
Speaker 3: days and Jadie Vance posted about it. But then Jadie
30:26
Speaker 3: Vance kind of walked it back a little bit and
30:29
Speaker 3: said it might not be right. Let's have a look
30:31
Speaker 3: at what Trump actually said in Springfield.
30:36
Speaker 13: They're eating the dogs the people that came in, They're
30:39
Speaker 13: eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of
30:43
Speaker 13: the people that live there. And this is what's happening
30:47
Speaker 13: in our country. And it's a shame.
30:50
Speaker 3: Adam, this was a gift to Kamala Harris. The border
30:55
Speaker 3: crisis is an issue that plays in Trump's favor, but
30:58
Speaker 3: instead of prosecuting that, now everyone's speaking about is this
31:03
Speaker 3: exactly probable conspiracy theory that migrants are eating people's pets.
31:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I mean it is, you know, it does
31:11
Speaker 4: seem fairly unlikely, although in Trump's defense, that is what
31:14
Speaker 4: some locals have been saying on video at at local
31:17
Speaker 4: council meetings. But I mean, to your point, this is
31:19
Speaker 4: a really good example I think of where Trump, you know,
31:22
Speaker 4: could have really hit her hard rhetorically. I mean, the
31:25
Speaker 4: population of that town, Springfield, has gone from fifty eight thousand,
31:29
Speaker 4: you know, to eighty thousand in about three years because
31:32
Speaker 4: of haitient immigration. It was clearly unwanted by the local community.
31:35
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a thirty three percent increase in
31:37
Speaker 4: the population, which you know, I mean for any community
31:40
Speaker 4: is going to be unbearable. And yet he did not
31:42
Speaker 4: bring up those figures. I mean, to me, that was
31:44
Speaker 4: that was very, very silly. He should have talked about
31:46
Speaker 4: the numbers, you know, the draw on local social services,
31:50
Speaker 4: et cetera. But of course instead he focused on pets,
31:52
Speaker 4: which you know naturally prompted all the pundits afterwards to
31:56
Speaker 4: say that he was making up conspiracy theories et cetera.
31:58
Speaker 4: You know, whether they're true or not, I know, we
32:00
Speaker 4: might find out in the future. But look, it's a
32:02
Speaker 4: real area where he failed. I think that's his strongest area, certainly.
32:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is his strongest area, along with the economy.
32:08
Speaker 3: But you know, he just didn't prosecute the case. Tonight,
32:11
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton, great to see you. We will read your
32:14
Speaker 3: full analysis in The Australian tomorrow.
32:16
Speaker 2: It's up online now all right, still to come.
32:19
Speaker 3: Last night, we expose the farce of the Prime Minister's
32:22
Speaker 3: pledge over a social media ban. This is all spin
32:25
Speaker 3: and no substance, right out of the political satire. The
32:28
Speaker 3: Holo men will Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman will join
32:32
Speaker 3: me next. Plus the Coalition accuses Labor of bad mouthing
32:35
Speaker 3: the RBA governor. Is this critical relationship on the brink.
32:39
Speaker 3: I'm going to discuss this with my political panel in
32:42
Speaker 3: a moment. Welcome back. Well, the countdown is on for
32:49
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to legislate his new social media ban.
32:53
Speaker 3: But as I mentioned last night, this is going to
32:55
Speaker 3: be very difficult for the government because it lacks so
32:59
Speaker 3: much detail. Labor couldn't get its stories straight out, and
33:02
Speaker 3: Easy was saying one thing about the age range his
33:05
Speaker 3: communication minister was saying another. And the tender for the
33:09
Speaker 3: company to run the trial doesn't even come back until October.
33:14
Speaker 3: Well to discuss let's bring it now, Shadow Communications Minister
33:17
Speaker 3: David Coleman.
33:18
Speaker 2: David, Welcome to the show.
33:20
Speaker 3: Look, this is quite extraordinary that the Prime Minister announced this,
33:25
Speaker 3: did a television breakfast blitz, but then there was no
33:28
Speaker 3: policy to back this up.
33:30
Speaker 2: There was no age that he'd nominated, and he's saying
33:33
Speaker 2: legislation will be introduced by the end of the year.
33:36
Speaker 3: But do you think that's going to be possible given
33:39
Speaker 3: the trial that he's talking about isn't going to start
33:42
Speaker 3: until at least mid October.
33:46
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's hard to see how they do it. As Shari,
33:48
Speaker 14: it's completely an ut to leave fascicle. So you know
33:51
Speaker 14: what's happened here is the Prime Minister's realized he's losing
33:55
Speaker 14: on this issue. He's behind on the issue. The Coalition's
33:58
Speaker 14: been pursuing this issue for a long time. Premium Alnowskis
34:02
Speaker 14: has from South Australia as well, and he's gone, okay,
34:05
Speaker 14: we'll do an announcement. We'll say we're going to do
34:08
Speaker 14: age verification for social media, tick, and everything will be fine.
34:13
Speaker 14: But as you said, they've done absolutely no work on
34:16
Speaker 14: this and they haven't even started the process of a
34:20
Speaker 14: trial for age verification technology. They announced the trial back
34:24
Speaker 14: in May. They put out the tender for the trial yesterday.
34:28
Speaker 14: People don't even have to respond to the tender until
34:31
Speaker 14: the seventh of October.
34:32
Speaker 2: I mean, it is just ridiculous.
34:34
Speaker 14: How can you have an age verification policy for social
34:39
Speaker 14: media when you don't know what the age will be like?
34:43
Speaker 14: It is just the most fundamental point.
34:45
Speaker 3: And then the minister, the Communications Minister, Michelle Roland said, well,
34:49
Speaker 3: she might introduce legislation without the age limit in it.
34:53
Speaker 2: So what would that legislation actually be.
34:57
Speaker 14: Well, who knows. I think they're making it up as
34:59
Speaker 14: they go along. I mean, this is, as you said,
35:01
Speaker 14: this is like something from political satire. Peter Darton, in contrast,
35:06
Speaker 14: came out in June very clearly said the Coalition will
35:10
Speaker 14: do this, will do it within one hundred days of
35:12
Speaker 14: being elected and the age will be sixteen. So no
35:15
Speaker 14: ambiguity from Peter Dutton, a clear strong position. Sitting here today,
35:20
Speaker 14: we've got a government that says they're going to do this,
35:23
Speaker 14: but it hasn't done any work on it and has
35:25
Speaker 14: absolutely no idea how to do it. And it's symptomatic
35:28
Speaker 14: of the government more generally, you know, weak, indecisive, driven
35:33
Speaker 14: by events, flapping in the breeze, and that's no way
35:36
Speaker 14: to run a country.
35:37
Speaker 3: It was one of the worst cases of a political
35:39
Speaker 3: announcement I've seen that has no detail behind it. I
35:42
Speaker 3: couldn't believe so much of the media failed to call
35:45
Speaker 3: this out. You just said it was like a political satire. Well,
35:48
Speaker 3: it was like this scene. I showed this last night,
35:50
Speaker 3: but I've got to show it again because it is
35:52
Speaker 3: such an accurate depiction.
35:54
Speaker 2: Have a look at this from the hollow men.
35:57
Speaker 3: I don't think we're at the press release stage.
36:00
Speaker 15: Come on, math, We're always at the press release stage.
36:02
Speaker 3: But what are we announcing?
36:04
Speaker 2: Prime Minister declares war on a childhood a visa.
36:07
Speaker 5: But that's just the line.
36:08
Speaker 16: What comes next?
36:09
Speaker 2: Well, that's your job. Well that's what you get paid
36:10
Speaker 2: for to come up with all the other pages.
36:12
Speaker 4: Everybody's really excited about the PM's plan. There is no plan.
36:16
Speaker 2: We've announced it and people love it.
36:18
Speaker 16: Nothing has been decided.
36:21
Speaker 2: It's actually an indictment on the media.
36:23
Speaker 3: And I don't like to criticize the media that he
36:25
Speaker 3: was able to do a TV television breakfast let Sunrise
36:29
Speaker 3: Today Show ABC and multiple interviews with journalists without anyone
36:34
Speaker 3: actually pointing.
36:36
Speaker 2: Out that the trial for the tender for the trial
36:41
Speaker 2: that he.
36:41
Speaker 3: Kept talking about doesn't even return to until October, so
36:45
Speaker 3: there's no way in a month and a half he
36:47
Speaker 3: can have the trial done, conducted and the legislation wrapped up.
36:52
Speaker 3: Do you think this is just the press gallery bought
36:55
Speaker 3: the spin?
36:57
Speaker 5: Oh?
36:58
Speaker 14: Look, I think that because it's such an important an issue.
37:00
Speaker 14: You can understand the media, you know, being interested to
37:03
Speaker 14: talk to the Prime Minister about it. I think as
37:07
Speaker 14: those first few moments of fallen by the wayside and
37:10
Speaker 14: people have started to look into this, the general view
37:15
Speaker 14: is complete skepticism. I mean, everyone in this building sees
37:19
Speaker 14: this for what it is.
37:20
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a.
37:21
Speaker 14: Joke and it's a shame because this is a really
37:25
Speaker 14: serious issue. The issue of social media and what it's.
37:27
Speaker 2: Doing is massive.
37:30
Speaker 14: And that's why you know, as you know, I've been
37:33
Speaker 14: very focused on this for a long time, so as
37:35
Speaker 14: Peter Dutton. That's why the Coalition took stock such a
37:38
Speaker 14: strong stand on this month ago.
37:41
Speaker 2: And you've got a Prime.
37:41
Speaker 14: Minister that had actually opposed the age verification trial that
37:46
Speaker 14: we tried to legislate back in November, walked into the
37:49
Speaker 14: Parliament and the Labor Party voted against it. Six months
37:52
Speaker 14: later they said okay, we'll do the trial, and then
37:55
Speaker 14: four and a half months later they hadn't even put
37:57
Speaker 14: out the tender. And you know, this is the sense
38:00
Speaker 14: the essence of this government. You know, it's one thing
38:02
Speaker 14: to put out a press release, it's another to actually govern.
38:06
Speaker 14: And they have just no idea how to govern.
38:09
Speaker 3: All right, David Coleman, thank you very much for your time. Now,
38:13
Speaker 3: still coming up on the show is the Republican Party
38:16
Speaker 3: happy with Trump's performance and the presidential debate? Will an
38:19
Speaker 3: insider would join me? Plus Labor accused of bad mouthing
38:22
Speaker 3: the RBA governor. I'll get into that with my political
38:25
Speaker 3: panel next. Plenty more to get through tonight, so let's
38:31
Speaker 3: bring in National Senate Leader Bridget McKenzie and former Press
38:35
Speaker 3: Secretary to Julie Gillard Darren Barnette.
38:37
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
38:39
Speaker 3: Look, tension between the IBA and Labor seems to be continuing.
38:43
Speaker 3: This was a big issue in Parliament today. The Treasurer
38:46
Speaker 3: denies there's any rift, despite his failure to criticize Wayne
38:51
Speaker 3: Swan's harsh assessment.
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Speaker 2: Have a quick look.
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Speaker 17: You know, I have a respectful working relationship with Governor
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Speaker 17: Bullock and with her colleagues. As Governor Bullock has made
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Speaker 17: it clear on a number of eleag we work well together.
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Speaker 17: We've got the same objective, we've got different responsibilities.
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Speaker 3: Bridget, what do you think do you think there is
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Speaker 3: a genuine rift here between the government and the IBA
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Speaker 3: and is this a concern for our economy?
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Sharhie. You just saw the Treasurer act like a
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Speaker 15: very naughty boy who'd just been made to apologize. There
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Speaker 15: was absolutely no sincerity there. In fact, he got his
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Speaker 15: father out, Wayne Swan this week to back him in
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Speaker 15: and sort of do the tough talking that Jim was
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Speaker 15: felt he was unable to do. I mean, it isn't
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Speaker 15: just the Coalition, it's economists, it's former leaders in our
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Speaker 15: country that have said this discussion and debate that Jim
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Speaker 15: Chalmers has been driving in the public sphere against the
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Speaker 15: Reserve Bank Governor Michelle Bullock has been appalling, has un
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Speaker 15: mind the credibility of the economic partnership that they're supposed
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Speaker 15: to have with government, and they're both pulling in the
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Speaker 15: wrong directions. The fact remains, and Jim doesn't want to
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Speaker 15: own up to the fact that he is the Treasurer
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Speaker 15: and that means he is responsible for our economy and
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Speaker 15: when Australians are doing it as tough as they are,
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Speaker 15: and they're feeling they're doing it tough because real wages
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Speaker 15: are going backwards and standard of living has dropped nearly
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Speaker 15: ten percent. So it's a fact the Reserve Bank only
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Speaker 15: has one very blunt lever. Jim has a lot of
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Speaker 15: tools in his toolkit, he's refusing to use them. It's
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Speaker 15: one thing to write a PhD about Paul keating a
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Speaker 15: former treasurer. It's another one to actually start acting like one.
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Speaker 15: And unfortunately he's been left wanting and now he's just
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Speaker 15: making excuses for his bad behavior.
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Speaker 3: Darren, do you think Wayne Swan's comments would have put
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers in a difficult position because they are close.
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Speaker 16: I think they did put him in a difficult position.
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Speaker 16: I don't think that Wayne cleared them through head offers.
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Speaker 16: I suspect you just said what he thought, and Wayne
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Speaker 16: is in that phase of his career where in many
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Speaker 16: ways he can do that. But Jim needs to be responsible.
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Speaker 16: It's an important job and Jim takes it very seriously.
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Speaker 16: You obviously have known Jim for a long time. He
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Speaker 16: takes his job very seriously and he would not like
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Speaker 16: that kind of distraction. But equally, there is tension between
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Speaker 16: the Reserve Bank Board and the government about how we
41:25
Speaker 16: need to ease that cost of pressure, a cost of
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Speaker 16: living pressure for everyday families. I think the government is
41:31
Speaker 16: sincerely hoping that the environment is right for rate cuts.
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Speaker 16: This side of the election, and that's really what this
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Speaker 16: is all about. What's the settings going to be when
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Speaker 16: we go to the polls early next year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and at this point, I mean, everything can change,
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Speaker 3: but at this point it doesn't look like there.
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Speaker 2: Will be happening soon enough, no, if at all, before
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Speaker 2: the election.
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Speaker 3: Now, I want to get both of your thoughts and
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Speaker 3: the horrific protests in Melbourne today, bridget You know a
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Speaker 3: lot of arrests that I and arrests police had to
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Speaker 3: have medical treatment. Do you think this is, as I do,
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Speaker 3: a failure of political leadership over time that has got
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Speaker 3: us to this point.
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Speaker 15: Look, Sharhi, you and I have talked about this for
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Speaker 15: a long period of time on this show, about police
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Speaker 15: across the country seeking to keep the peace instead of
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Speaker 15: upholding the law. And that's where we've seen some really
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Speaker 15: appalling public protests, particularly post October seventh here on the
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Speaker 15: streets of our major capitals on the East Coast in particular.
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Speaker 15: And you know, every single time people get away with
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Speaker 15: behaving badly, treating other Australians with contempt and disrespect, anti Semitism, rife.
42:49
Speaker 15: They just these protesters who are all professionals, Let's face it,
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Speaker 15: go one step further, one step further, and now you
42:57
Speaker 15: have appalling behavior is being thrown at our police force
43:03
Speaker 15: and that is absolutely unacceptable in a liberal democracy such
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Speaker 15: as ours. It's just incredible, these scenes.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 3: Now the Australian has revealed that the Teals are deminding
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Speaker 3: a seventy five percent emissions reduction target by twenty thirty five. Darren, Look,
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Speaker 3: it's one thing for the Teals to be ideological and
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Speaker 3: idealistic like this, but it's quite another to actually deliver
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Speaker 3: this in reality.
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Speaker 16: It's a glorious world when you're a protest vote and
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Speaker 16: the Greens have that luxury, and to a large extent,
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Speaker 16: the Teals have that luxury. But I guess what they're
43:40
Speaker 16: doing is tilling the ground for what happens if there's
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Speaker 16: a hung parliament, and if there is, they're going to
43:45
Speaker 16: have to pick a side. So that will be the
43:48
Speaker 16: real test of what the Teals are made of, and
43:50
Speaker 16: to some extent, what the Greens are made of is
43:53
Speaker 16: what do they do if there's a hung parliament. They
43:55
Speaker 16: hold Liberal seats, but a lot of their policy agenda
43:59
Speaker 16: shifts fear progressive and left. So it's going to be
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Speaker 16: a fascinating time up until the election. Will the government
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Speaker 16: give a twenty thirty five target. I'm not sure that
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Speaker 16: they will, particularly when they have a.
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Speaker 1: Twenty thirty one.
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Speaker 16: Clearly he doesn't want to, and I'm not sure that
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Speaker 16: it's to our national advantage given other countries might put
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Speaker 16: one out there before the Brazil Summit late next year.
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Speaker 16: So it's jockeying for position in public policy terms.
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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see how I actually
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Speaker 3: read bizarrely the Climate Change Authorities paper about what they're
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Speaker 3: thinking is around the twenty thirty five target and bridget
44:37
Speaker 3: they had concerns that if you set a two ambitious
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Speaker 3: target there could be social and economic consequences.
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Speaker 2: That's the Climate Change Authority.
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Speaker 15: Well, I know, Shahi KOUI fantastic. The Climate Change Authority
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Speaker 15: is finally woken up to what the National Party in
44:54
Speaker 15: the Liberal Party has been saying for a long time.
44:57
Speaker 15: All on the journey, but let's not trash the joint
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Speaker 15: and people and our country on the way through. What
45:03
Speaker 15: you've heard from the teals with this claim is the
45:06
Speaker 15: ticket price for the next Prime Minister of Australia. And
45:10
Speaker 15: I know that Peter Dutton won't be prepared to pay that,
45:13
Speaker 15: and I do know that Anthony Albanezi will do anything
45:17
Speaker 15: to stay in the lodge. And so this is going
45:19
Speaker 15: to be critical going into the next selection that you
45:22
Speaker 15: will have a prime minister, because all the polls are
45:25
Speaker 15: pointing to a minority government. Labor government is going to
45:28
Speaker 15: have to do a deal with the Teals and the Greens,
45:31
Speaker 15: and that means the type of target that is going
45:35
Speaker 15: to wreak havoc not just on our productive capacity of
45:38
Speaker 15: our mining industry, but our agriculture that actually our transport
45:43
Speaker 15: mechanisms etc. We're already not meeting the targets we've set,
45:48
Speaker 15: We're already falling behind to twenty thirty. This just shows
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Speaker 15: how ridiculous the Teals policy settings are.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Bridget McKenzie, really appreciate your time tonight
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Speaker 3: in camera.
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Speaker 2: I'm Darren Barnette here in Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Thank you Now after the break and insiders take on
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Speaker 3: how Republicans thought Trump handled that debate that's coming up
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Speaker 3: after this break. Well, let's cross now to Florida, where
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Speaker 3: I'm joined by RNC spokesperson Elizabeth Pipcole's great to see
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Speaker 3: you again. Look, what is the sense in the Republican
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Speaker 3: Party about how the debate went. Most commentators and media
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Speaker 3: outlets say this was a win for Kamala, who performed
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Speaker 3: better than expected. So is there disappointment about Trump's performance tonight?
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Speaker 5: Rest of all, thank you for having me back. No,
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say disappointment at all. I would say you're
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Speaker 5: right that people were surprised by Kamala Harris's performance. I
46:46
Speaker 5: think the bar was set very very low with that
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Speaker 5: last debate, of course against Joe Biden, which as we know,
46:52
Speaker 5: changed the state of the race. At the same time,
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Speaker 5: Karmla Harris had the bar set so low that people
46:57
Speaker 5: are excited that she got through the debate. And I
46:59
Speaker 5: think that that's what's disappointing, right. We wanted answers. I
47:02
Speaker 5: think the American people deserve answers, and we left that
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Speaker 5: debate with no answers, no clear context on where she stands,
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Speaker 5: why she changed so many of her views, and what
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Speaker 5: her plans are for the future, and how they would
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Speaker 5: differ in any way from the current administration where she
47:16
Speaker 5: serves with Joe Biden. If we didn't get any of
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Speaker 5: those answers, more Americans are divided than ever, as there's
47:21
Speaker 5: anger about how the debate was moderated. And I truly
47:24
Speaker 5: think that last night did not go as the American
47:27
Speaker 5: people deserved. And that's truly where my disappointment lies.
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Speaker 3: Look, Kamala Harris was clearly very prepared, carefully crafted answers
47:35
Speaker 3: to every single topic. Should the team around Trump have
47:38
Speaker 3: prepared him more for this debate?
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Speaker 5: You know, I'd say the answer lies in the American people,
47:45
Speaker 5: what they think and what they want. I don't think
47:47
Speaker 5: the American people were satisfied with what they got last night, truly.
47:50
Speaker 5: When it comes to the answers of Kamala Harris, I
47:52
Speaker 5: think having perfectly crafted responses, it doesn't actually, you know,
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Speaker 5: lower your gas bill, it doesn't actually keep us from
48:00
Speaker 5: World War three, which everyone talks about every day now,
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Speaker 5: doesn't make Americans feel safer. I think she had perfectly
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Speaker 5: crafted responses about everything that's wrong with Donald Trump. We
48:09
Speaker 5: saw insult after insult and low blow after low blow.
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Speaker 5: I was very disappointed. Actually, I didn't expect it to
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Speaker 5: be that nasty that quickly. But I think preparing as
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Speaker 5: much as she did, to be as nasty as she
48:21
Speaker 5: was to him personally, and not preparing to give the
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Speaker 5: American people the answers that they're looking for. I think
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Speaker 5: that was a mistake on her part. I think that
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Speaker 5: will backfire. At the same time, everyone deserves other candidates
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Speaker 5: to be prepared, and I appreciate the fact that it
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Speaker 5: was clear that she did prepare for the debate. I
48:36
Speaker 5: just don't think it was in the way that she
48:38
Speaker 5: should have prepared for someone that's currently serving as vice
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Speaker 5: president of this country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course Taylor Swift came out right after
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Speaker 3: the debate. Presumably that was a planned moment to give
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Speaker 3: momentum in Kamala Harris's direction, and Taylor Swift, of course
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Speaker 3: endorsed Kamala Harris called her a warrior. Elizabeth Pipco, thank
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Speaker 3: you very much for your time tonight, and we'll have
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Speaker 3: a lot more analysis tomorrow night on the show.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you at eight o'clock. Right now, here's Paul Murray.