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Joey Bosa signs with the Bills! Reaction to the start of Buffalo Bills Free Agency | DC · Disguised Coverage

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  Speaker 3: p R O A N T. In this Tuesday, March
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  Speaker 3: eleven edition of Disguised Coverage, we will be diving into
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  Speaker 3: the start of reagency for the Buffalo Bills. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of activity, not necessarily from a new edition standpoint, but
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  Speaker 3: there are a couple new additions, a couple re signings,
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  Speaker 3: several extensions that happened over the weekend and going into
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  Speaker 3: Sunday night before legal tampering started. So there's money conversations
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  Speaker 3: to be had, roster conversations to be had, Guys that
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  Speaker 3: seemed like really good potential targets that went elsewhere, Guys
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  Speaker 3: that signed elsewhere for money at positions of need that
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  Speaker 3: it looks like the Bills potentially could have afforded. Questions, thoughts, comments, concerns.
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  Speaker 3: We will be diving into all of that tonight in
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  Speaker 3: this episode, and as always as we do here on
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  Speaker 3: the show, making it as engaging as possible for you
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  Speaker 3: live viewers who are riding with us live. I know
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  Speaker 3: how this this time of year, between free agency and
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  Speaker 3: the draft, there are a lot of thoughts and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of feelings that go into all of it. So anything, questions, thoughts, comments,
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  Speaker 3: concerns thrown up into the chat. We obviously have a
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  Speaker 3: run of show here tonight, but I want to make
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  Speaker 3: this episode as open and engaging as possible again, even
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  Speaker 3: though we do that here normally, but even more so
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  Speaker 3: given the time of year and where we are in
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  Speaker 3: this off season schedule. So questions, thoughts, comments, concerns throw
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  Speaker 3: them up into the chat on anything and everything. Super
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  Speaker 3: chats get priority one because I respect the monetary donation.
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  Speaker 3: Two because the color attracts me like a cat and
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  Speaker 3: takes me away from my notes.
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  Speaker 1: Not alone.
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  Speaker 3: Hope you would have gathered that if you have seen
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  Speaker 3: the social post that just went out about thirty five
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  Speaker 3: forty seconds ago. And or because I kept saying we,
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  Speaker 3: and the reason I keep and kept saying we is
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  Speaker 3: because I am not alone on this episode. I brought
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  Speaker 3: this person on to kind of set the table in
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  Speaker 3: a multitude of ways for this off season, and now
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  Speaker 3: that the table has started to get certain things placed
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  Speaker 3: upon it and or removed, thought it made sense to
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  Speaker 3: bring this person back and continue on this journey together.
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  Speaker 3: I am joined once again by mister Kendall. Mursky Kendall,
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  Speaker 3: this is not your first time here. It's night your
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  Speaker 3: first rodeo. I appreciate you. You're fantastic, welcome to show.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks man. Yeah, happy to be back. I completely agree
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  Speaker 1: with that intro of like it's really good timing to
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  Speaker 1: get me back because we just talked about like targets and.
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  Speaker 3: He said the unaging one, the one, the only Kendle
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  Speaker 3: I ag.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that stays star. But yeah, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: talked like what a month and a half or so ago,
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  Speaker 1: like what do we want to see in the draft?
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  Speaker 1: What do we want to see in free agency? And
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  Speaker 1: I think naturally we all kind of start talking about
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  Speaker 1: the draft, but you know, free agency happens first in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: I made a note like in my head already, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I wonder how easily this conversation tonight pivots
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  Speaker 3: and we just talk about draft prospects.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna happen. It's natural. Like I admittedly
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  Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of scouting, but like you still
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  Speaker 1: because the compine is still so fresh, like what the
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  Speaker 1: combine was like a week and a half ago, Like
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  Speaker 1: the combine is so fresh for us, so a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these guys are still top of mind. But we
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  Speaker 1: gotta get through free agency. For honestly, all these people
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  Speaker 1: who've been doing like mock drafts and stuff through the
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  Speaker 1: last month or so, it means nothing because free agency
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  Speaker 1: sets the table, and especially for this regime, like we've
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  Speaker 1: seen a year over year with Brandon Bean, Like, free
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  Speaker 1: agency gives us so many answers for what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do in the draft because they they really don't
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  Speaker 1: enter the off season with this glaring need. I think
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  Speaker 1: the only year they did that was the Kayer Elam Draft,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know if they want to do that
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  Speaker 1: the same way. So, like, I think it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a similar off season where we see them. Yeah, sure
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  Speaker 1: we have a few needs here or there, but we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do our best to you know, plug holes here,
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  Speaker 1: plug holes there, whether it's a big signing, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: a bargain been signing. I mean, I think we've probably
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  Speaker 1: seen the two biggest signings of their free agent class
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  Speaker 1: so far. I'd be shocked if we see anything bigger.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it really gives us more answers into what's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen.
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  Speaker 3: In the draft. Absolutely, And I like your point thereo.
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  Speaker 3: You know how every off season just feel aside from
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  Speaker 3: which you know, you and I were live when that happened,
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  Speaker 3: Aside from the von Miller signing, Yeah, and that like
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  Speaker 3: eight point fifty one on a back when this show
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  Speaker 3: was on a Wednesday. Oh was now not a fifty one.
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  Speaker 3: I was going on Wednesdays at seven before Greg and Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was gonna say it was kind of early.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it happened at like six fifty one or
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  Speaker 3: six forty nine, and we were chopping it up in
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  Speaker 3: the green room, like going over stuff, and then all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden the news came through. We had to
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  Speaker 3: pivot and scramble and all that stuff. But aside from yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we were just ready to talk about like Daikon Jones
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  Speaker 3: and I forget.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were just.
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  Speaker 3: Ready to talk about Daikon Jones and what's his face?
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  Speaker 3: Oh j Howard and then oh my god, you exactly
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  Speaker 3: pivot von Miller. But aside from that one time, every
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  Speaker 3: off season is really kind of just gone accord for
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  Speaker 3: the Bills, and this is a good year after year
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  Speaker 3: and again even when we talked about it just kind
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  Speaker 3: of set the table for the off season this year.
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  Speaker 3: This may be a team year in a year out,
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily have a ton of like top tier
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  Speaker 3: guys or blue chip s tier a tier type of talent,
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  Speaker 3: but year in and year out, they are a pretty
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  Speaker 3: thorough roster. They're pretty frostered, and they, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: they don't really have a lot of glaring holes. So
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  Speaker 3: most off seasons kind of go for the same type
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  Speaker 3: of pattern, which is, we have some needs that are
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  Speaker 3: more upgrades than they are needs and or holes, but
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  Speaker 3: we have a lot of money to do it. So
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  Speaker 3: the first couple of weeks are like, let's figure out
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  Speaker 3: how to get creative monetarily, and then we'll sign couple
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  Speaker 3: value guys, maybe make one splash, but really just kind
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  Speaker 3: of fill the holes and then go best player available
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  Speaker 3: in the draft based on the positions of needs, so
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  Speaker 3: on and so forth. I feel like this offseason, as
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  Speaker 3: you alluded to, is kind of another one that's falling
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  Speaker 3: in line or locks step with these previous off seasons,
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  Speaker 3: which is why I never I never expect like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna go out, I mean they're gonna go out
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  Speaker 3: and get t Higgins, Like oh, they're gonna sign Javon
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  Speaker 3: Holland Actually Javad really signed for too crazy of a
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  Speaker 3: deal like yeah, signed Jovon Holland or Justin Reid like
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  Speaker 3: if they wanted to. But usual, a lot of deals
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  Speaker 3: are like, Okay, they're going to sign multiple guys anywhere
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  Speaker 3: between like eight and twelve million AAV maybe two, maybe
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  Speaker 3: three guys, depending on how much money they have, bring
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  Speaker 3: some of their guys back. See where the chips fall
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  Speaker 3: going forward, and it kind of I think again, this
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  Speaker 3: free agency start has continued to fall in line in
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  Speaker 3: that way.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you all the extensions that we saw,
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  Speaker 1: Like what the two three days before free agent, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the negotiating period started.
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  Speaker 3: That Sunday in general, not only for once it hit
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  Speaker 3: like five o'clock on Sunday, everybody extens extensions, extensions, but.
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  Speaker 1: For the bills specifically, Like they signed those guys into
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  Speaker 1: me what was it, Bernard shakir Rousseau Allen, I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to make money for something. It's very clear
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  Speaker 1: that they're trying to clean up the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: books to make space for something.
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  Speaker 3: And they want to bring Digs back.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding, Like obviously, I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the fan base is thinking like oh, Miles Garrett
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  Speaker 1: and like stuff like that, and and then obviously the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing with the Browns happened, and they're just holding
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  Speaker 1: him captive, I guess for record setting money holding him captive.
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  Speaker 1: But either way, like it just felt like something could happen,
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  Speaker 1: like a von Miller type of splash could have happened,
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  Speaker 1: but they're still playing it smart. Like obviously how it
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  Speaker 1: played out, you still get two guys. And we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into it with Michael Hoyt and Josh Palmer, Like those
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  Speaker 1: aren't bargain been guys. Yeah, sure they're. They're probably more
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  Speaker 1: on the value side than they are the splash side,
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  Speaker 1: but like they'll play more significant roles than what we've
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  Speaker 1: seen in the past with like Bill's free agent signings.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think this these two specifically, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to liken it to these guys specifically in
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  Speaker 1: their output to the Buffalo Bills, but it kind of
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of the spending in the first off season
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  Speaker 1: where they got Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer, where like
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  Speaker 1: these guys aren't completely bargain bin. I mean, maybe Poyer
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  Speaker 1: was at the time, but Micah Hyde wasn't, Like completely
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  Speaker 1: bargain bin.
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  Speaker 3: He was VAL's sweet he was he was more of
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  Speaker 3: a slot and a punt returner than he was a
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  Speaker 3: true safety. But he was a name and he had
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  Speaker 3: made a lot of big plays recreation. He was.
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  Speaker 1: He was in name, but for Green Bay specifically, like
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  Speaker 1: he entered that free agent period kind of as a
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  Speaker 1: budding role player. No one necessarily saw him as like
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  Speaker 1: a set it forget its starter, And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what the Bills are trying to do this
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  Speaker 1: offseason with these two signings, signed to guys that play
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  Speaker 1: a role, pretty significant roles, albeit for their teams. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and see if they can bud into something more in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 1: because that's always been the culture. You know, be the
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  Speaker 1: best version of yourself when you get here. So I
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  Speaker 1: like the value, and obviously we'll get into each one specifically,
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  Speaker 1: but I like how they attacked it, considering it might
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  Speaker 1: not have been their plan, a like they could have
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  Speaker 1: been making all that money or moving all that money
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  Speaker 1: around with the extensions for something more splashy. But I
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  Speaker 1: still like, I still like what this potential pivot was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and everything is always within the landscape of how
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  Speaker 3: much money they have to spend like that. Like even
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  Speaker 3: my free agency list this year, the target list that
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  Speaker 3: I come out with every year is more it's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily predictive, although Michael Hoyt was on it. It's more
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  Speaker 3: what I want them to do, like the direction I'd
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  Speaker 3: like for them to go in. My top guy was
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  Speaker 3: DJ Jones. My second guy is Dante Fowler. I would
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  Speaker 3: still like Dante Fowler, but those are like, okay, the
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  Speaker 3: realistic type of splashes. They could make guys that I think, okay,
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  Speaker 3: like based on the AAV but then you get what
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  Speaker 3: the market is getting you giving you like I thought,
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  Speaker 3: and DJ Jones actually I think he got a little
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  Speaker 3: more than this, but like for what Palmer signed, like
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  Speaker 3: that's what I thought DJ Jones would go for. And
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  Speaker 3: then you see wide receiver market and it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's what two two at Well got, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: Dianmi Brown got, and it's like, you want a receiver, okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is what you gotta pay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and he's twenty five, so it's like yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's also part of it. And so it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to pay that, But then you're sitting
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  Speaker 3: on the sidelines and you're not getting anybody or you
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  Speaker 3: have to, you know, pivot.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I saw with DeMarcus Robinson went for he was eighth
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  Speaker 3: on my list. He I think he just signed a
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  Speaker 3: two year, nine point five million dollar deal. Yeah they
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  Speaker 3: haven't right before we went live. Uh then two years
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  Speaker 3: nine point five mil with the Niners six mil guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: I liked him a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I would have signed him for that deal, but you
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  Speaker 3: got to put all of it in a pot. And
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  Speaker 3: it's okay, the skill set, it's the need, and I
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  Speaker 3: feel like we just as a fan base, I think
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  Speaker 3: a lot of it is always like actually in the
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  Speaker 3: comments here have been really tempered, which I think is nice,
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  Speaker 3: but a lot of and I shouldn't go off of Twitter,
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  Speaker 3: especially now with how awful it is in a multitude
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  Speaker 3: of ways. But there's just so much like this sucks,
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  Speaker 3: another wasted off season, another this, and it's like they
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  Speaker 3: don't have like they don't have the Patriots money, They're
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  Speaker 3: not going to like Carlton like and then and even
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  Speaker 3: the Pats kind of overpaid a little, which they kind
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  Speaker 3: of had to, but.
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  Speaker 1: That's free agency. Like if you have the money and
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  Speaker 1: free agency, you over pay it's just what happens.
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  Speaker 3: And if you need guys and teams know you need guys,
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  Speaker 3: they go out, they chase the money, you know, so
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  Speaker 3: on and so forth. But I I really do think
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  Speaker 3: this offseason has kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of gone to plan. And also.
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  Speaker 3: There are certain free agents that I would always like
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  Speaker 3: to spend more money on because of the known quant
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  Speaker 3: As much as we love the draft, every draft draft
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  Speaker 3: man twelve minutes, fifty four seconds, first flour, I was
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  Speaker 3: doing so well, was doing so well? Shut up, kendall,
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  Speaker 3: the draft, as much as we love it is such
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  Speaker 3: an inexact science. We talk about it all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Even the most surefire prospect is not a surefire prospect.
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  Speaker 3: So I do prefer known quantity.
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  Speaker 1: To a certain point for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But what you get with the draft is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of Again, there's more risk to it, but the
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  Speaker 3: reward is good players plus cost control for term in
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  Speaker 3: a certain amount of years. And I think there's something
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  Speaker 3: to be said for properly building your team through the
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  Speaker 3: draft and using free agency to supplement your needs or
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  Speaker 3: kind of masks things a little bit. I shouldn't say
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  Speaker 3: mask supplement, and the auxiliary pieceage should come from free
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  Speaker 3: agency and I don't think this is the Bills team
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  Speaker 3: that really, unless they fall off the face of the earth,
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  Speaker 3: which I doubt they will, And even if they did,
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  Speaker 3: you still got Josh Allen's contract, which also puts you
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  Speaker 3: in that boat of doing this dance kind of year
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  Speaker 3: after year of auxiliary supplemental guys in free agency, maybe
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  Speaker 3: one big splash here or there. And then I also
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  Speaker 3: wonder too the von Miller deal, which I say this
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  Speaker 3: as a person who advocated for him being cut this offseason, well,
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  Speaker 3: I advocated. I wanted being to go to him and
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  Speaker 3: it'd be like, hey, you can stay, but you have
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  Speaker 3: to take this team friendly pay cut, as team friendly
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  Speaker 3: as we want to make it. You gotta take it,
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  Speaker 3: or we're gonna release you. I don't know if being
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  Speaker 3: presented in that or not, but I advocated for that move.
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  Speaker 3: I was completely fine with it. I think that von
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  Speaker 3: Miller signing was a win because well, at the end
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't, but initially it was. He was as advertised,
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  Speaker 3: he was the closer, He was that guy. He was
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  Speaker 3: great off the edge, he was hugely impactful. Went down.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously we know what happened for there. Now the people
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  Speaker 3: that come in and They're like, well, well, we shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have paid that money for a guy that old.
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  Speaker 1: Of course he was gonna wear down.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't wear down. Yeah, he tore his acl on
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  Speaker 3: a bad feel that like tons of other younger guys
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  Speaker 3: have done as well. So that move was very much
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  Speaker 3: a win before he went down.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the Texans with digs. It's like very that
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  Speaker 1: was a win for them, absolutely until he got injured.
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  Speaker 1: That's it's not fair to judge it that way.
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  Speaker 3: No, and he went down, and then man, he went down,
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  Speaker 3: Dell went down, Nico went down. They just not And
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  Speaker 3: then they traded tunsl which is absolutely wild things and
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  Speaker 3: Kenyan Green, Oh they trade Green?
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  Speaker 1: I did not see that. Who do they trade Green to?
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  Speaker 1: He's on the Eagles now, so get ready for him
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 3: A Pro Bowl. I was gonna say, so he's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be an All Pro at the end of the year.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they expecting bro Yeah, I would say Stoutland.
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  Speaker 1: Just is No, that's a smart trade, smart trade for
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. I wonder with the Vaughan signing, considering how
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  Speaker 3: it ended up, because you can make a case either way.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that.
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  Speaker 3: Makes them feel more, let's not go down that roads
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: about the splashy, I was trying to find the right
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: word I was initially think came in my mind was prohibitive,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: and I was like, that's not the right word at all.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: It works. Does it make them feel a little more
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: gun shy or a little more skittish about doing that
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: kind of deal again, because being even said it as
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: much right, Like, I remember when they signed him, it
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: was all this conversation about, like, you know, it's not
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: just about this year setting yourself up for the future
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and having the right money and the right players. Got
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: he outus on it, so for all the things that
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: we know. But I wonder if that deal, considering how
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: it ended up, but also how it started and the
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: legitimate bad luck that happened in it, I wonder if
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: that also pushes them further from not wanting to do
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: a deal like that, or do they see it as no,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: that was a win, we just got, you know, unfortunately
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: we got some bad luck. But also even within that,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: you still put a good chunk of eggs in one basket,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: and if that basket breaks, so like, I also wonder
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: if that kind of furthers their operating style or their
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: mo year after year, and I wonder if we will
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: ever get close to those kind of splashes again.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, going into this offseason, it kind of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: always felt like if they were going to do a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: big splash, it was going to be the trade. It
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was never going to be a big splash through free
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: agency like a Milton Williams. It didn't. It just didn't
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that. It felt like they didn't want to
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: compete with the market. They wanted to compete with just
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: like getting a deal done and working on compensation with
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that other trade partner, and then from there you just
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: negotiate in a silo with that player. What do you
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: want to stay as a Bill? Why something happened?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I think the Bills just signed Joey Posa do yo.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: We got the wildest luck. Hold on, let me let
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: me see no way, that's that's funny considering we're talking
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: about Von Miller chat. One guy said it, hold on
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: confirm what? Oh man, I just want to go watch
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: tape stream is over? Hold on? Where is that?
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: What?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: What? What's the irony of us having that conversation? This
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is crazy?
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Well, you toss million dollar deal, I would say, Matthew oh,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Matthew break and Matthew came in clutch. Here matthe is
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: breaking dude's twelve point six million Joey Bosa. This is so,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: this is like the fun peak behind the curtain for
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: all everybody in the chat. Now, I got to change
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: the episode graphic and like you're gonna Joe earlier, Joe said,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: of course this happens right after my apps.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Hey, but at least at least he got the other
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: guys like, I mean, well, we'll just be giving reaction now.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Palmer and Hooy are almost old news now,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: so at least they got covered.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And we'll talk about some stuff because I'm going to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: change this episode graphic.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: All right, you do that. I'm gonna poetically about Joey Bosa. No,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: this is interesting too because I think this officially closes
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the door on the von Miller return on the cheap
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: because I know, Mill.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the super chat, Chason for being here
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: every week.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I'm very happy about this. I'm extremely stressed right now
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: because I got to change the time. It'll change the graphic.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: There's a lot happening right now. Yeah, I was gonna
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: say and Pete said, you two should do this more often.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: This is the second time this has happened to us.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: This is wild. We gotta do this every offseason or
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: every free agent negotiating period. Week of like that first
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: week the negotiating period, like every this is this is
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the money time. There's also injury concerns about Bosa, but
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you know, for sure, for sure, I got a man.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I just I mean spots track just to see like
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: what he pep behind the curtain for those folks, right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I created this episode at like eight something because I
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: was waiting to make sure no news would happen so
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I can have an updated graphic that I was creating.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And I was like, none's gonna come through.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Hmmm, well here's here's what I'll say. Yeah, I was.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I was getting on this idea of, like, I know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: news has broken about von Miller being open to a
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: return at a at a lower cost. He just wanted
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to see the market and stuff like that. And I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: think the Bills were definitely in the market for so
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: one who's more strictly a pass rusher only because I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Hoyt's great, but his upside isn't as a pass rusher.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: His upside is as a run stopper, having versatility, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: he can grow as a pass rusher. He's a solid
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: pass rusher, but it's more room for growth than it
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: is like the foundation on which he was signed. He
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: was signed as a run stopping, pocket pusher with a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: lot of effort and strength and active hands. I like him,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: but this is a really good compliment to him and
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a good compliment to the edge group that the Bills have.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, at twelve million, like I'm trying to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: look at this right now, you like, it's a very
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: smart thing for the Bills to do, just of money,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: just talking value. His average for his last contract was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: twenty million. His average before that contract was twenty seven million,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: so this is well below his average. We know he's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: quote unquote like a broken player who's mending. You know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: he's had his injuries in the past, had troubles staying
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: on the field, but we know what he is when
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: he's healthy. He's yet to turn thirty. I mean, it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: gonna happen before the uh, the next season starts, but
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I mean a one year deal for a guy that's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: thirty years old, upside.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Thirty, he's the older. I always confused both him and
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Nick in terms which first.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: But hey, I mean Nick Posa's what five days ago
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: was the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, you know?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So this is this is a really good value play
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: for what he is. The question is how close can
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: he get to his prime self? Because I mean at
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: thirty years old, like he still should have gas in
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the tank. It's just how much have injuries high up
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: an impact? Yes, And so that's the thing right as
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: I I am.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Going to update this graphic for all you folks, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I also want to engage in this conversation. I don't know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I'm very much like Ricky Bobby right now, like I
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: don't know what to do with my hands, Like there's
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: so much happening right now. My thought with this is actually,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I'm also going to change why not why not? Why Not,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: which also changed the banner for new people coming in?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Joy man, what are the odds for you?
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And I again, no, that's crazy? Uh, what's the what's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the deal? One year? Twelve point six on? Here and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: see if there's more details.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: So here here's my thought on it. Right, and I
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I've watched various the Chargers defense. Actually I watched a
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: decent chunk of Chargers defense this year because they did
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: some fun stuff. And then what's its fate? The two
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: rookie corners, Cam Hart and other dude's name who I
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: always mispronounced number twenty nine.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: The right, I know who you're talking about.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But I have like the best like Epa per target
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: in the league. It was like wild but Khalil Mack
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: is sweet and Punaford is sweet, and I like Dyone
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Henley and so I was watching Chargers here and there
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: like and I've watched him throughout the years a little bit.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Whenever Bosa has been on the field, he's been productive
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and he's a hard good rush like the one thing
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I remember, like if we're going off of it. The
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: two things that stick in my mind from a negative
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: standpoint for him are the injuries, where it seems every
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: year he's banged up. And then two I think of
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: him wilding out in a bad way as the Chargers
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: melted down against the Jags. I believe he had just
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: come back from injury again, and so the one year deal.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: As you know, a lot of people are saying in
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the comments, I'm a fan of the one year deal
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: because for me, it's very low risk, potentially high reward.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: If he stays healthy and produces when he's on the field,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: he's sweet. If he's not, it's a one year deal,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: you really haven't pot committed yourself.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And also my thought would be.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So I mentioned earlier, I wanted Dante Fowler right the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: what the what? Two blubs almost at the exact same time,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: twelve minutes apart. The thought process that has been going
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: through my mind this year of what I wanted off
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the edge was, and the verbiage that I've used is
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I wanted a mercenary off the edge. I wanted an assassin.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I wanted to proven, known commodity. Similar when they signed
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Leonard Floyd, Right, I was in favor of that again,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: like I would, you know, it's cool to have a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: younger guy with some upside, or even if they drafted
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: somebody early, if they got Donovan Azraku from Boston College,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: who I love them, like, oh, that'd be sweet, but
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: still like it's not known.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I wanted to proven dude.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Who can go out and get you those kills? Right,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and Fouler can the thousand percent do that? Bosa I
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: think can also do that. But now with Groot, Apanessa
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: and Michael Hoyt, you've got three very good run defending
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: edge setting run defenders. And you know, I know people
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: don't want bro Jason nailed me. Jason says, Aunt wants
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: to look at films so bad right now. He's literally shaken.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You have no idea. I'm like, I'm the.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Same, and so we've also been getting dinged on our
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: film videos. Part of me wants to just pull up
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: film right now, and we just watched Cape on Joey's bore,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: but it's been messing things up and then that screws
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: with the algorithm. Ye oh, you have no idea.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Jason knows me so well. I'm oh so in today,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I know what I'm doing when we stop.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Right as soon as we might just stay in the
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: stream being like, let's watch tape so.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Bosa.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: What's interesting is again parent it with who you have
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: at the top three. And as much as Epanessa hasn't
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: grown into the player that fans want right like he
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: was a second round pick, technically he was the first
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: pick that year because that was the digs here, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: understand the qualms with you know, he's more of a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: rotational edge three. You know, he was a good pass
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: rusher and now he's more of a good run defender,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: so on and so forth. I do think he provides value,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: but now again Epanessa more so, Groot is an elite
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: run defender. But what I like about this move is,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: now you've got Grut who's an elite run defender. You've
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: got a Fanessa who is also grown into a good
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: run defender. You've got Michael Hoyt, who is a terror
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: off the edge from a physicality and violence standpoint, which
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: we will talk about at some point or maybe. And
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: then you've got Joey Bosa, who now can just be hey, man,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: like you've had some injury concerns, Cool, wait till you
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: get into known passing down in distance and just go.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: And then now you and I haven't had this conversation
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: in text, and I believe on the show, Groot as
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: a pass rusher is very much more of a Robin
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: than he is a batman. He is a legitimate edge one.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: As a run defender. He's one of the best run
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: defending defensive linemen in all of football, whether it's metrics,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: whether it's tape. He is a force multiplier as a
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: run defender, right, but he needs the Batman to go
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to Robin as a pass rusher. So what the Bills
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: could do You could either go and get a true
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: edge one as a pass rusher, or you could just
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: get more Robins, which I was also not opposed to.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: If you want to have three edge two's, I'm down
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: for that. If you want to have a whole bunch
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: of B pluses or b's instead of one A minus
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: or A plus, I'm down for that. Like I'm okay.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But now you've got Bosa, and I like this move
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: from the perspective of he's had some injury concerns. You're
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: not gonna have to use him on early downs a
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: ton because you've got group, You've got Hoyt and Hoyt again,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: we're gonna get into it. Hoyt is sweet, like I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: legitimately like my yeah, I.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Was pleasantly surprised. Today was the first day that I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: watched tape on him. Nice, he's got really good tape.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Like I said in the film room last week, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: told it to you in text, Hoyt is the just
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the guy who shows up on tape when you're watching
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: for someone else, like for those who watch the show regularly,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: folks would know, I would hope. I love Kobe Turner
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: coming out a couple of years ago. I love Cam
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Kitchens Safety out of Miami coming out last year. Both
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: those guys are on the RAMS, so I would check
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: in with the Rams from time to time. And then
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Jared Verse was just having this banger of a season,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: so I was like, I'm gonna watch what the Rams
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: are doing. And ninety seven Michael Hoyt just kept flashing,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: but he was always flashing in weird ways, like he'd
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: flash off the edge in a five man surface like
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: he'd be in a wide nine. Yeah, and then he'd
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: flash off the edge in a four man as like
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: a five or a seven. And then he'd like flash
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: in the a gap or from the gap ball or
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in coverage, And I was like, what, what does what
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: does this guy play? And so I just kept noticing him,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: taking notes on him and watching him throughout the year,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and he's he's a legitimate piece physical violent. I'm just
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: gonna even read some of my like just the size
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and combo, yeah, six or four or roughly three hundred
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and ten pounds. He could play off the edge, he
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: can rush from an off ball standpoint, he's good as
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: a spiker, is he He's actually.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Three hundred and ten pounds. I don't understand the FF.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but I could also buy it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I have to see are on Pro Football Reference he's
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to sixty seven.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, so then PFF is a lie.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, I don't know.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Those are wild differences though, But then what he can
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: do off the edge in the A gap, he can
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: rush guards, he can rush centers like he will go
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: through you, he'll go around to you. He's got good
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: hand usage. He's just I described him as you know, dirt,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: sand paper and violence, and that's what I love. And
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you put him on again, him, Groot and Evanessa, you
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: have a solid three man rotation.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Well, everyone's complimenting each other, like i'd say.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But now like if you have Bosa on the field less, yeah,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and you just let that he's again not to use
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: the von Miller trum nuns, but it's more of like
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: a closer in baseball, Like you just let that dude
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: sit in the cage back there, and like yoh, it's
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: the eighth you're ready to come out and the eighth
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: inning is just every third down for the Bills. So
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: now you get a dude who gets to stay fresh,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: who's impactful. But also if you're on the field less
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: odds are you probably ideally have less of a chance
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: to get injured.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: But then how it pairs with the top three really
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: really really like it. Yeah, I love that. I think
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: the whole group makes a lot more sense when you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: have that, like true pass rusher. And that was the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: fear when you get rid of von Miller's like, oh
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: do we need to go draft one? And like you said,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: just like the unknown commodity of it all, trying to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: get a true pass rusher who's only gonna play on
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: third downs as a rookie, Like it's kind of slow
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to develop, Like this is really ideal for the group. Yeah,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I was gonna tell you the up to fifteen points.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I appreciate everyone that I am so like, I want
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to watch tape, I want to talk about it with you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I need to change the graphic, I need to do
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: so many things. I'm I'm this is the second time
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: this has happened.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: To us in three years or whatever, Like wow, yeah,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely wild. It's crazy. But yeah, I love this.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: It makes no it makes it just, it makes a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. It complements the group, it it frees
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you up in the draft. You don't feel like you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: need to go EDGE early. I mean we got two
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in free agency. You don't. You don't feel like you
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: need to go honestly, unless it's like a Javon Solomon
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: type pick. So and we him.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly like you also have now. At this point, edge
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: was obviously a big need. I thought defensive tackle, CB
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: and EDGE were the top three and it wasn't close.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And I only put defensive tackle and CB ahead because
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I think you need actually a starting defensive tackle. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: think Daikwon needs to be more of a three. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: even if you don't need, you'll need another. I also
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: wouldn't mind putting someone ahead of Dwayne Carter just because
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in him a ton but whatever. But
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: you need a defensive tackle one probably two.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: You needed an EDGE.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You literally need a starting CB, like that's what it is.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: But now I think you're good at edge. You've got Grout,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: you've got Hoyt, you've got at Vanessa, you've got Bosa,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: and then you sit there with Javon Solomon who flashed
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: really well last year. Now, and also we've had this
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: conversation offline as well. We talk about the basketball lineup
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: at wide receiver. Now you have the basketball lineup at edge. Yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: look what group can do. Look what Eppanessa can do,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: what Bosa can do, what Hoy can do. And then
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: you've got Solomon who's this smaller but long arm, big
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: hand moves based pass rush specialist who's got some bend
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: in athleticism.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Does he develop in your two Let's see does he not?
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: We have a really good, solid top four and you
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: go from there. I honestly think Edge is good now.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: No, I feel the same way like the way I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: see the EDGE group in terms of the basketball analogies.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: You have the sides of the spectrum here. You want
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to get that first le say hey, real quicker appreciation you.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Justin. I love how you
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: know the rhythm of the show. Kendall, you're the best.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, Justin. Thank you for the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: super chat.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And Justin's question, Kennell, you can answer this first he says,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: does the Bosa addition mean defensive tackle, corner, wide receiver?
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: First three? Picks.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Can I think I think they like the safety I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: honestly think they like the safety class, like this was
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: one of the fastest safety classes we've seen in some years.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, forty is in everything, but that is statistically true.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And then they signed Josh Palmer, like I think we
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: have to talk about we will eventually talk about. So
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: I think they're trying to reduce the priority of wide
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: receiver in the draft, and I think they accomplish that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: That's what they do every year in free agency. Their
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: free agent picks are are precursors to what they're deprioritizing
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in the draft. So I think we can see them
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: deprioritize edge and deprioritize wide receiver. Might they take a
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: swing at both those positions late, sure, but I think
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: first three picks, I think it'll be some sort of
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: permutation of defensive tackle, cornerback, and safety at this point.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I said it even before, Actually I said it offline
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: to you. Actually have said it on social too. My
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: dream pick right now now for the Buffalo Bills is
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Mississippi corner Trey Amos size the comfortability and press.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: He answer, good question.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: My biggest you know, my biggest question was because he
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: wouldn't he wasn't getting blown by or having guys run
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: past him. But I had questions about his long speed.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: But he's also a very smooth strider. So I literally
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: have in my notes smooth strider or questionable long speed
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: and then question mark. But he ran in the low
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: four fours, so I'm good there. Yep, he's got the
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: He's just consistently in phase because of the combination of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: length and footwork that he has. And if I want
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: guys who can constrict and restrict airspace, and that's what
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: he is. Because of his comfortability and press. Mississippi plays
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a bunch of NFL coverages. He's comfortable in match zone,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: man off press, all of those mixed together and whatever
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: amalgamation and form right now, if I'm betting, I not betting.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I think you need a corner in round one because
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: the defensive tackle class is.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Deeper in round that's a fair point free.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Man, you could I there's there's gonna be a good
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: corner there at the end of round one. I don't
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: think it's gonna be John A. Barron. I think it
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: would be someone more like Amos or Maxwell Harston. That
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: just came up into the chat and then.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Also throw it out there too. If Malachi Starks falls
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: to thirty, That's what I'm thinking, Like, That's kind of
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: where I'm at right now. It's like if if like
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Walter Nolan, Malachi Starks and see Nolan to me, because
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of the redundancy with ED one hundred would take a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: free agent signing, it would take here here. How about
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hear me out here. There's so many things to talk.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I am overwhelmed. They sign Roy Lopez, bro't and then
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: they did. Hold on, let me set the table. They
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: sign they sign Roy Lopez, Okay, and then you're at
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: pick thirty and you have on the board Harriston Amos, Yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Nolan Starks?
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why would you do this to me? This is
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I'm overwhelmed again. This is so Yeah, you can make
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a case for any of them and there's no you.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Can make a case for absolutely any of them and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: you're not making a wrong Well obviously you know four
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: years from now there's a wrong decision.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: But like they're they're all all those guys are just
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: super busts.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: They they all sound very enticing, Like I didn't even
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: think about Harrison so much, like his size kind of
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: concerns me a little bit. But I was also in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: on the idea of getting someone who's a little bit
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: different from Benford, and that does intrigue me. M that's fair, right, Like, yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: they do kind of compliment each other in a sense.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Oh and and you're talking about Harston right, Sorry, yeah,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Maxwell Harrison.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: He so his speed is so real and even when
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: like he'll get fooled and he'll get beat, he'll get
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: turned inside out and then he's just got recovery speed
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: or it's like, no, it doesn't matter, I can run
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: this down. I'm fine. Questionable tackling. His angles are bad
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: and he's tackling is just not great.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: But again, it looks like an over aggressive style of
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: player because he trusts his athleticism.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Fair, which is also understandable, But I don't mind that combo.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Like so for right now, for me, I think they're
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: going defensive tackle or corner in round one, or I
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: don't know, maybe Matthew Golden falls and they really like
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Matthew Golden. I wouldn't rule out safety. I think at
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: this point I'm not ruling out safety. No, I think
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: the first pick is going to be between a defensive
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: tackle of corner or safety. We're getting mad super chats,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: so I got to pull this up as we go through. Yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: just the Tippy ca Neho says. My jersey number would
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: have a decibel maybe three point one four. I'd get
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a sack and I'd do an eating celebration.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: That's fair. Where else, Carl, where are you?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Carl?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you for being here as always, Carl, Oh, thank
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you for being here. Just the Tippy Canoe one of
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: my favorite names.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Just gets me every time.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Carl, thank you for being here. You have a good
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: name as well. Appreciate the super chat, Carl says. Joey
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Posta had a lot of injuries in twenty twenty four.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is all.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: This sounds like a team injury report. A broken hand,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: hip injury, glut strain, sciatic nerve pain. Is he now
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: fully healthy? Question mark? Question mark, availability, question marks. I
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: was saying, that's I.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Mean, that's the reason we got him for twelve million,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and he's incentively if he's held to fifteen.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And this isn't a homer take, and this is a
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: big if. If Joey bos is healthy, he's one of
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the best pass rushing edges in all the football he's
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: a top ten. Yeah, yeah he's but the question is, yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: he is he healthy?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I was just looking at it. He's played out of
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: his nine seasons, he's played two full seasons.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: And they're always twenty twenty.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: One could have been like a we don't need you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to play week eighteen, but still that's fair.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: But within those let's see, yeah, like twenty twenty two
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: down year majority. And it's not only like doesn't he
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: get banged up, like he gets like destroyed with an injury.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, man, like he sprained his wrist
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: and he's out for two weeks. It's like he broke
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: his hand, he creates a muscle and balance somewhere else
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: and then he's out for So that's the one that
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: always gets me. Like bone stuff is not I don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: say bad luck, but like if you broke your hand
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: or you broke like your your ankle or something. Obviously
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: certain bones breaking are a bigger problem than others. It's
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the soft muscle stuff that gets me. So if you've
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: got like if it's joint joint and muscles, those worrying
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: me more than anything because those exactly like those can
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: tend those tend to be reoccurring. They tie to other
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: pieces and do other things. Those ones worrying me more
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: than like just the bones. But yeah, he has a
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: hit list literally of injuries. We have another super chat
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: from mister j Blonde twenty twelve. Thank you very much
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: for being here. Thank you for the super chat. Ooh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: little somewhat off topic here he says, do the Bills
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: trade Cook for a pick and give more time to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: ty Johnson and Davis? Fifteen million year is too much
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: for a running back that can't block. What are your
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: thoughts on on on James Cook.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: The James Cook thing is so tough because I mean Saquon,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that new Saquon contract made it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: But like I know what Cook is asking for, whether
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: it's the Bills or someone else. No one's giving James
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Cook that much money. Well until he he can be
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: a three down back.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: That's That's the thing. Like it's hard to give someone.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: And I guess Alvin Kamara's like he's probably the piece
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: his agent should hang on to the most. But like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Cook isn't on the field enough and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he doesn't impact the game from every phase enough to
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: get that fold.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Which is also annoying because he has so much receiving value.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he does, like that's where third downs come in.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: But also, if you're a liability in pass pro, then
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna be.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it becomes problematic. I almost feel like the Bills
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: are playing the long game, like almost reverse Bengals, where
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: they're like, if we do another year because we know
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: we can go another year without extending him, and then
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: we just don't give him all the touchdowns that he got.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: What's he gonna have to bargain with or negotiate with.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Which also would bother me a little, Like I think
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: touchdowns is such a it's a stupid thing for agents
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: to pitch. It's anything when someone's like, man, this running
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: back's great, he had this many touchdowns, Like damn not
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: measuring value with that. But to your point, it could
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: be something.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: The Bills can control touchdowns more than James Cook can
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: control touchdowns, like it comes from a play call, Like
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: let's call it what it is. So I mean, it's
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like you don't give Raheem Moster a ton of money
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: because of what he did in twenty twenty three, tying
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey for what was it, twenty one scrimmage touchdowns?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Like that was a byproduct of the team getting stopped
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: on the one and the next play call, like it's
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: just part of it. Like, I don't know, touchdowns. I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: agree it's a stupid thing to negotiate with, but I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: think the Bills have the power. If that's the negotiating
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: chip that his agent is playing. Is like, look where
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I was on the touchdown leaderboard running backs. It's like, well,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: we can wait another year. There's no reason for us
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: to do this right now.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I am.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: My stance on it is I'm fine either way if
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: you want to tell me, you know, hey, we're gonna
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: use Cook as is this year, and then you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: happy trails. If you're not going to sign something we like, buy,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: okay whatever. The only way I'm trading him is if
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I get a Day two pick back, which I think
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: would be a little tough. So like I I'd have
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: to trade Cook and get at worse, like a round
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: three pick somewhere. Oh yeah, my other two he was
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a second round pick, absolutely, and so my issue with
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: that is I also so one I would want that too.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. If they're gonna get it three. I
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: don't like creating a hole that you then have to fill.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: And as much as I like Ray Davis and Ty Johnson,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: James Cook's speed makes a difference. So now this is
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: it's not necessarily like for like, But if you could
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: tell me, right, if you could guarantee me the Bills
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: could trade James Cook and replace him with Travon Henderson,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: I would take that sure. But that like, it's got
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: to be literally like you're creating a hole that you
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: then have to fill. And I like Ray Davis, I
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: like Ty Johnson. They need someone with James Cook's type
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: of electricity and juice. But Bill's O line is very good. Yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: their run game, their run structure, their run layering, and
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: play calling and sequencing is also very good. There was
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: a good chunk of runs where James Cook played above
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: the scheme and made things work that were not there,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: even just off of the duo runs where he bounces
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: and then he had the physicality to beat a corner
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: or the speed or to beat a corner that goes
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a long way for a concept that isligned to make
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: that corner be the unblocked guy. And then how he's
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: improved his vision and gap scheme and his pacing and timing,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: so it would have to be developed. So well, yes,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: absolutely so, like I don't mind trading him, but it
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: creates a hole that you then I mean to create.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: But I'm not getting anywhere near paying him what he
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: thinks he wants.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: To your point, it sounds like the most comfortable you
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: would be is almost a draft that in trade for
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty six third rounder. Yeah, which is like,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: that's a tough formula to hit.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: That was absolutely like, and it's almost like it's a
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: moving target of like of what you're trying to hit.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: And I don't not that it's like impossible to hit,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: but it's just a dangerous game you play a little bit.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I just DMD you a thing that I'm using for myself.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: So if you see a message on Twitter, you feel
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: free to ignore it. But yeah, that's I like this
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: comment here from Pete who says Bosa is healthy enough
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: to sign with the team and unhealthy enough to be
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: available for one year twelve point six. Well, this is
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: you know again, I keep saying this phrase. You and
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I talked about what I'm about to say. Paulson Adebo. Yeah,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: we talked about him in the corner. We were like,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: is the broken femur enough to make this contract? It
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: wasn't because the Giants paid him. It wasn't Heerman money.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: But would the broken femur be enough that this had
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: to be approve it deal and he would cash in
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: next year. That's where Bosa is. If Bosa can prove
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: that he's healthy again, he's what thirty years old, thirty?
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: He'll be thirty at the start of the season.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Ghost will be thirty. If he can stay healthy and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: produce on a super Bowl caliber team, then next year
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: maybe he signs more of two year thirty six, two
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: year thirty two year more if he can get back
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: to just there isn't even getting back. He just has
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to stay healthy.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Like again he is.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: I'm about to look up his stats in a minute
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and stuff. Now that I finally finished freaking graphic. Man,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I'm scrambling right now. This is wild. There's and the
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: odds of this happening to you and I again, it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: just nuts. But yeah, that I think this is spot
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: on from Pete. He's healthy enough to sign with the
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: team and unhealthy enough to be available for that one
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: year kind of prove it type of deal.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that that that's that's really
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the bottom line with the Joey Bosa thing. But I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: love it. It's it's exactly the type of value that
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: they strike year after year. And you said it like
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: this is this is the area of free agency that
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Brandon Bean is just he's getting expertise in because that's
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: where the roster is. There's enough core pieces on the
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: roster that they've had to pay for the last six years,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: and those people are changing. It's a revolving door, but
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: there are enough core players that are on the books
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: where you can't take splashes every year. You might be
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: able to make one splash every three or four years.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So making these signings is exactly how the Bills have
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: to play free agency. And yes, it's like there's a
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: lot of questions and I'm sure there's a lot of
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: people who don't exactly know how to feel because they
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: know the name Joey Bosa, but they don't know what
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be. And there's a reason he was available,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and like Pete said, there's a reason that he was
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: twelve point six.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: So r J says, I can't remember did the Von
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Miller news break during Ant and Kendall show. Yeah, it
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: was we went live on disguise Corverace before we went live.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: It went.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: It broke at the show. We went live at seven
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: pm on the Wednesday.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It broke. The news went live.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: At like six forty nine, six fifty ten or eleven
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: minutes before we went live.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all, Kendall. Let's pull up some.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Let's pull up some stuff on even John Joey Bosa
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: even this past year while having it heard it Man
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: thirty four pressures, seventeen stops. I'm just gonna go through
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and find Man those those years though O twenty nineteen
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one, so three seasons where he managed
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: to stay decently healthy. Seventy two pressures, sixty one pressures,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: sixty nine pressures that twenty nineteen. So I'm just gonna
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: read it like individually by season. Okay, that twenty nineteen
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: season seventy two pressures, forty nine stops, twenty twenty sixty
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: one pressures, thirty one stops, twenty twenty one, sixty nine
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: pressures thirty one stops. That's kind of what you're going for,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Like he does play the wrong because of the juice
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: and the technic count what he can do off the edge,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: like he's just no more for his pass versibility. It's
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: just a matter of if he can stay healthy.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: And the taper is if the Bills are trying to
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: be precautionary over it, like do they even want him
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to play the run with? Who they have to play
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: the run? Who aren't named Bosa Fair.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: I want to answer this real quick from Claude Claw says,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and I disagree with you on Cook, Hampton, Henderson, Judkins, Etn,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: hell Raheem Sanders and Jack Hunter or Jack Hunter could
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: all reasonably take kickt Roll. It's got to be the
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: right combination of scheme, skill set and juice. Hampton I like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: but he's more of a straight line runner in addition
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: to kind of being more of like a thumper. Henderson's
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: a good blocker and has juice, could.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Do it a bit.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Judkins is a little more thunder than he is. Cook's lightning.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Etn has had injury issues and the style of runner
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: isn't the same in terms of his pacing as Cook.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: But the juice is there, not necessarily like his brother,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: but it is there. Rocket Sanders from South Carolina Good
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: forty time doesn't play like that, is more of a thumper.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: He helped me win a national championship with South Carolina
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: and n C DOUAA football twenty five. I want to
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: say that like it. So it has to be the
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: right skill set. It's not just about like how good
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: the prospect is for me. It's it's the fit of
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: the skill set with the scheme. But all these guys
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: are good backs. I wouldn't be opposed as well. Oh
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: and then also a chosen one, uh n B puts
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: in Johnson, the kid from Ioaki as well.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is on my style.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's more thumb, but he's got some decent speed,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: but yeah he's more sure. I tell you what I
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: would do with Kayler Johnson. I put Kyler Johnson in
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and I just run duo all day.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And that's too. But that's the thing. Yeah, it's just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: replacing that style of players is tough. He's he's he
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: is a unique player. But the ideal is getting someone
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like Cook who can stay on the field for all
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: three downs. But then it's like, why did we just
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: reassign Ty Johnson?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, yea, and Ty Johnson has crazy productive numbers, like
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: in those he's a good pass protector, and so I
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: think that's also to kind of where like the Ray
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Davis timeline comes in, because yeah, Charles Damian Martinez, Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I'm a Miami guy. If you want a pure hammer,
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Damian Martinez is in and he ran better than I thought,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: but he had pure hammer with Martinez. That's where the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: Ray Davis conversation comes in. Though with a bit of
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: a better pass protector, built better for pass protection, just
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: had to get better with his technique and scanning and
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: being refined that out. I think he could be more
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: of a true three down back because he's a good receiver,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: he's a good runner. He just doesn't afford you the juice.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, you know, it's not crazy, but this is
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: how good of a year that James Cook had. That
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the Joey Bosa signing, we're talking
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: about James Cook right now. And I don't say that negatively,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: but like he is part of the news.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, James Cook is.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Is James Cook the second best player on the Bills offense,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: including everyone like is he better? Is he a better
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: running back than Dion Dawkins? As a left hack.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's between the two. Here's the
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: problem in a silo. Yeah, he's probably a better player,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: but he's also probably less important because of the position
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: he plays. That's fair. That's just the reality. Or I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: guess it's not even the reality. It's the business of football.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Like I hate to say it, but it actually has
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with his talent. It's like, because all
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: things are equal, if I'm looking at it and I'm like,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it's too close to call, I'm gonna pick the left tackle.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Like it's just what I'm gonna do. I mean, there's
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: a reason the Bills take a running back once every
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: two years. So if they have this problem, there's a
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: built in, cost controlled backup plan called Ray Davis, called
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Zack Moss, called like they do this all the time.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I know no one cares for Zack Moss, but the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: point is is, like they take the second running back
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: before the first rookie deal is up, because it's a
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: built in contingency for if something like this happens, you
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: don't have to panic. You can stay and hold your
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: cards tight and be like, well, sorry, James, we have
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Ray Davis waiting in the wings. We have Ty Johnson
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: on cost control, like, we have options. The draft happens
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: every year, and we could replace you with one of
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: these thirty guys. So it's harder to replace the left tackle.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: It's just a lot harder to replace the left hackle.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: It is fair. Yeah, but again, the fact of him
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: being in that conversation, yeah, no, it boomed for yes,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: and especially in a year where you traded Stefan Diggs,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: who was your other blue chip offensive guy, and it
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, and he stepped up bingo, he's like
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: he he raised his game and took it to another level.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Like and again the physicality, the contact, balanced, the fall forward.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And addition to the speed and the juice.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Man it Yeah, he stepped up big in a year
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: where you lost to Fon Diggs and your everybody eats
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: philosophy on offense was starting to kind of you know,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: show some show some wear a little bit after Baltimore
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: and Houston and then you got Amari Cooper, but he
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: wasn't the same Amuri Cooper that you thought. Cook was
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: that guy who was really kind of the home run hitter.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Plus the stabilizing force on that Bill's offense that made
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Allen in the offense's life a lot easier again, offensive line,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Aaron Kromer, y gotta YadA, all that kind of stuff, right,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: but oh Man, Yeah, Cook had a tremendous year.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I love I love the idea of like wanting more.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I love this comment from Paizan. He says, if we
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: can still pull off a deal for Hendrickson, Man, there's
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: no one. I don't think that's happening financially.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But two I don't.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I really don't. Again, the Bosa health issue is a
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: legitimate thing, and I want to kind of pull up
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: if there's a thing that I know there was a site. Yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Ka Moore said, we haven't even talked about Hoyder Palmer yet.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: We'll get there.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the the injury piece and injury concern is
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: very real for Joey Bosa. But if he's healthy, that's
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: a significant piece for this for this defense. And in
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: a rotation with groot Et Panessa and Hoyt and then
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Javon Solomon, I do think you're kind of fine at edge. Granted, again,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Bosa's health is a significant thing. If he all of
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: a sudden goes down, Javon Solomon, I.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Still think I still think you're fine, Like even with
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the health thing, like you have five with Solomon, like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: you have five and a pro bowler who has injury concerns,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Like he's gonna be on a pitch count until he
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: proves that he doesn't have to be.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: That's fair, And again, I just he's not gonna need
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: to He was he was a three down player with
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: the charges, and rightfully so him and Matt like they
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: were sweet. But now you can just he doesn't have
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: to be. Yes, he's more of a three down player
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: right now than von Miller was. So I don't think
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: people need to get worried of like, who's you only
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: going to see twenty snaps? Is you only going to
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: see twenty five? But if the game is in hand,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't know, but I do think you'll get
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: more of a significant rotation from him than von Miller.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: But I really just like the idea of being like, man,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: just drink some water and chill. Oh it's second and
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: long and third and long. All right, man go out there.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, I liked the idea of having Groot and
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Hoyt and Epanessa do the dirty work. Yeah, I don't
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: need him playing first down, I don't know, oh man.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: And then on third down, bro, give me groot with
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: oil on the field. Give me groot and I'll go
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: do some easy.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Versatile things on third down, crazy things. Everyone's concerned about
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the third and long issues from last year. I mean,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: between Hoyt and Bosa, you've you've made a lot of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: different schematic possibilities. Oh man, Yeah, I like I like
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: what Charles called it.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: He said the monster truck package.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I like that a lot.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, spinn says Bosa's deal is twelve point six million
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: deal up to fifty point six.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I have in the banner here.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Kudos did the chat, and obviously Kendall to you like
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: we're kind of pivoting as we go through here. But yeah,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: it's a what else do you do? You have any
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: any stats or anything you want to read off of.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Just just found one thing on Bosa that's I mean,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: it's not eye popping or anything, but he's within the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: top thirty of edge rushers and pass rush win rate
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: for a down season, so he's still from a pass
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: rush win rate perspective. In starter territory. I mean, there's
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: there's not much to glean from his twenty twenty four season.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: To be fair, I mean, it's tough when you don't
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: play a lot and when you know you have declined
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: in your career. But like you can tell he still
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: has it, Like pass rush Win Ray is a good
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: indicator of if you still have what it takes. Thirteen
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: point five percent is still pretty solid. Where did that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: rank exactly? Is twenty eighth, so top thirty two, still
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: starter territory. When was his I can't believe he made
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this year? Actually that's probably a stand
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: in Pro Bowl.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, so many guys deny it that,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Like I'm just kind of like, what's what was his
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: last fully held season? Twenty twenty one?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I would call it twenty twenty one, even though it
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't seventeen games like the one he said out was
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: probably a meaningless gut.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: So let's go, yeah, if we're if we're looking at
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: it from the last three years, for everybody, five games
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: played in twenty twenty two, nine games played in twenty
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: twenty three, fourteen games played last year. But again, a
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: bunch of that season in twenty twenty four was filled
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: with you know, he was playing through different injuries, which, again,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: if you are more of a rotational guy, you can
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: manage those injuries a little more, you know, which is
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: another boone and kind of feather in the cap. But again,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: the bonus that you are getting here, I really don't
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: think this. I'm happy about this move. I I love
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: her as well. Yeah, I am very happy with this.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I recognize the downside of he's an injury prone guy.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: What happens if he gets hurt again, so on and
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: so forth.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: If he gets hurt again, it only hurts the twenty
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: twenty five cap. Like, there's very very little risk.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my thing. I think it's low risk. I
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's staying long term, like I really
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: do think if he has the year that he's capable
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: of having, he'll probably go. Ja'll probably cash in somewhere else.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: But again that's fine, which again it doesn't help us
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: necessarily long term, but I'll take it for this year.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: If they can just be the land of mercenaries a
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: year in and year out, keep bringing guys on these deals. Again,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: he is a high end, no pun intended edge rusher.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Went healthy. You get him in a rotation, you let
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Hoyt and Rousseau and Epanessa fulfill the run duties, which
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: again Bosa can also do, but you just want to
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: kind of let him be that assassin, let him be
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: that hunter, let him be the mercenary off the edge,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: let Groot and aj and Hoyt do a lot of
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: the dirty work, and then you just have Bosa hunt
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: on third down and then man, what do you do
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: with if you're an offensive line? Yeah, Like, are you
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: confident blocking Bosa one on one?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Like? That's the thing. I mean, that's that's the big
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: thing with the Bills defense is you know, you said
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: the Batman and Robin stuff. If we can get Groot
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: in more one on ones, if we can get at
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Oliver and more one on ones, like this is something
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that helps that. That's really really the key is we
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: need to get those two guys in one on ones
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and if we're not, that means Bosa's probably getting one
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: on ones. So it just creates a good math problem
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: for the Bills defense.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I like this. Oh we got another super chat.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Think it very much again, Carl Carl says, I like
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: it so far. We don't want to draft out of necessity.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: We need a defensive tackle a wide receiver and a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: safety as edge is now, okay, who else do you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: see us getting in free agency to fill the holes?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with two kind of mentioned one earlier.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: I want Roy Lopez so bad. That's the one tech
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: that And also we gotta put this in perspective too,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: right for the one tech that a lot of fans
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: like or want. The Bills are not going to be
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: that team that has a true like plugger as the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: one tech.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: They are not.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: If Ted Washington Matt Williams played today, They're not gonna
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: like The Bills aren't the team that's gonna take them
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: like they were going to take Devandre Sweat last year.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: You need to have some semblance of upfield juice or
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: penetration ability or pass rush ability in some form or fashion. Honestly,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: they like all their interior guys to skew more towards
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: the pass rush than they do run defense. But I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: see someone in the chat. No Groot is Greg Russo's nickname.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't make that up. That's a literal nickname for him.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: That's been a nickname for him from his rookie ar.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Someone was like, did I give him a nickname? No,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: that's give him for a very long time, like you'd
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: have to get somebody like Okay, Kenneth Grant gives you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: like some athleticism and juice inside, but it is also
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: a huge monster of a man and kind of like
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: a freak athlete to a degree. Lopez for me, is
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: more of that mold of a plugger. He's like seventy
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: thirty terms of skewed for the run, but he's also
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: got some pass rush, pop, push pull. He's got good
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: upfield juice. I would take him in a heartbeat right now,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: and then he's your one tech and you can rotate
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: him a little bit, you can play him again. I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: also like him because of his front versatility. If you
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: want to go more five down fronts with Michael Hoyt,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: like you potentially could and like I think might be coming,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: or just more front versatility in general, you can have
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Lopez play over the center. You can have him play
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: as a one tech, you can do and play as
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: a shade. You can do a variety of things with him.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: I want defensive tackle. I wanted to be Roy Lopez,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: so that's my top free agent to fill that needed
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: defensive tackle corner. I wanted a d Bow and I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: wanted a Sante Samuel. I didn't think either of them
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: would be realistic or true kind of predictive targets, but
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: that's what my heart wanted. I think them. I think
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: they're more in line of and Eric and I talked
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: about in the film room and I said it on Twitter.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I think someone along the tier of like a Benjamin
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Saint Juice, Like I think he's literally a perfect example
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: somebody who's like a high floor guy that could start
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: or could compete with a corner that you draft on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: day two. And I think it's kind of somewhere in that,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: in that range in terms of I think they look for.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I think they look for a corner with a high
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: floor to pair with a rookie corner and see whoever
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: wins the seed two job. And then I think they
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: do they have to add some bodies on the interior,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Like they just don't have anyone right now, so they
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: need bodies on the interior. So I expect moves at
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: both of those And those are my kind of guys
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: or thoughts for both. What about you, Kenda, You got
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: any thoughts on any potential more free agents to go forward?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Before before again, we will talk Josh Palmer and Michael
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Wayte as we go forward from there.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I really want them to get a cornerback, and I'm
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: just looking at the list and I'm like, very afraid,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: but also wouldn't be terribly upset if they signed Dame Jackson.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's he's so polarizing, I.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Know, and that's why I hate that I had to
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: even say it, but like, it doesn't preclude you from
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: drafting a cornerback early, but it also kind of helps
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: you shore up that spot. It it allows you to
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: do two things. I'm not saying. I'm not advocating for
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: signing Dame Jackson to be the starting CB two, but
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse, and I'm sure you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: could do it at a value. So I don't know.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's something that I'm looking at. I don't love it,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: but I don't love a lot of these names. The
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: corner market was not ideal this year.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: It was very much like the top tier guys were legit,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: top tier Carlton Davis, DJ Reid, you got shavarious word
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: out there, and then like the second tier was like okay,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Sante Samuel Paulson Adibo guys like that, and then after
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: that first and second tier it was just a drop off.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Even with like Sleigh being added and Bradbury being at it,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: it very.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Much doesn't move the needle.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the difference between the third tier and the second
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: tier was a chasm, like it was massive. So yeah,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I don't love this free agent corner, but I.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Don't think the Bills take a shot at like Caleb
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Farley or CJ. Henderson, Like I know they like the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: whole like reclamation project type of idea, but I don't
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: really see them doing that at Corner specifically.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: Especially because they need like you need a CB two, yeah, exactly,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: like you need something consistent, reliable, dependable, which is why
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: I'm like.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: And I also wouldn't rule out maybe I don't know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: maybe Rasseul Douglas comes back.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it feels like it's gonna be something boring
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: at cornerback that people aren't gonna like. But it's also
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: just gonna mean that they're also drafting one. And that's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: my thought.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Like with with what they've done, with what the market
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: looked like, my thought was already like sign more of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: a lower tier, high floor guy that can compete, but
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: you're pairing that with a corner.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: In round one or on day two, And I think
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: that goes for all of these positions of need, right
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: like including wide receiver. If you want to view Josh
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Palmer that way, I don't necessarily view him that way.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: But in terms of defensive tackle, safety, and corner, I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: think those three positions are exactly what you're saying, high
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: floor pair them with a high up that draft pick.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's very fair. Let's uh, let's talk
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: about some of those new additions. Do you want to
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: talk about what do you want? You want to start
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: with Palmer? You want to start with White mine as well?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: We were all I already kind of tipped it, Aaron
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: said in the comedy. Yeah, I mentioned this earlier as well. Yeah,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: Aaron says, Trey Amos at thirty. I would sign up
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: for this absolutely right now. I have no qualms about it.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: I would gladly take Trey Amos at thirty. Yeah, who
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: we talked about. Oh yeah, I just like his game
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: so so, so, so, so so much.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Put him on the queue now.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: He's a really good watch.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I've watched.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: I watched seven Gate, I did my evaluation. I went
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: back and watched work because I just liked him. I
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: just know, I just wanted to watch more.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I just liked him.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Like I'm watching him play against like Furman, Like that's
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: how much like I'm just like, I just like, I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: just want.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: To can he dominate against Furman? That's exactly he did
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: a really off the board.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, well, I was like, he did well
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: against LSU, but I need to see Furman. You want
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: to start with Palmer or you want to start with Wait,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like you're gonna want to start with Palmer. Yeah,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: let's stell with Palmer, who we just got to at
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: the one hour six minute mark. Well, we kind of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: talked about them both a little bit, but.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: A little bit he was broke. Hey, you know, sneaky
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: thing with Josh Palmer. He might have recruited Joey Bosa.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: The Bills have made three signings. All of them have
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: come from Los Angeles.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: People were saying that in the chat, I that's a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: very good and two of them are Canadian. Hoy is
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: Canadian and.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I thought he was from Ohio.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: No, I think Hoyd is from I think he's from Toronto.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Palmer's from Toronto. I don't know where I thought was
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: from Ohio. I could be wrong on that though.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's from Oakville. He's from oh it says owen Wood.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: He was born Oakville, Ontario. He went to high school
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: in Ohio, but he was born in Canada.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: That's probably where I got Ohio. Yeah. AnyWho, So Josh Palmer,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were really both of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: us did this too. I think a lot of people
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: were upset on the sticker price. And I actually don't
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: know if it's been updated yet. I'll look that up
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: as i'm talking. But I think a big thing with
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: me that's a good comment, yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: He said, which means the sanbuel Junior is coming.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Here next on the LA train. I think the big
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: thing with the sticker price that we saw the three
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: year thirty six million for Josh Palmer. That's twelve million
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: per year. It's shocking, it's a lot. It's like it's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: exactly what we let gave Davis Walk for pretty much.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: But I think when you start and look at this,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, he's a twenty five year old kid.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: He'll be turning twenty six in like week two week three,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: he's only guaranteed eighteen million, which makes it sound like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: the guarantees really only worked through the first two years,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and this contract is probably going to look more like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: a two year deal with a second with a final
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: year as the team option. And if that's the case, Like,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really care so much about the sticker price.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I actually think it's pretty fair value, especially when you
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: reverse engineer it and look at it, like, well, could
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: we have paid Gabe Davis the same thing? But then
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: you look at like the tape of Josh Palmer and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: the age, it's like, you're getting a guy for the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: same age, Yes, but he's not as limited athletically his
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: traits and where he can still grow, Like there's still
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of upside to this kid. And I remember
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: scouting him out of Tennessee and he was someone that
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I found really late in the process, and I watched
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of games on him and I was like,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to say on him because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: he's just like super well rounded. And then I watched
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: his tape and I was just like, he's the same guy,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: but he's just kind of gotten a little bit better
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: in all of these areas that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: He was super He's a very well rounded everywhere like everything,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: he's like a six point five to like set and everything.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Everything, And in scouting terms, like if you're above a six,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: like your money, like you're doing good, you're doing good stuff.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: So like I really view him as at least six
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: is across the board on just about everything. He's got
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: prototypical size in my opinion, he ran a four or five. Now,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: he did all of his stuff at Pro Day's. This
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: was twenty there was no combine. Yeah, I know everyone
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: needs to take that with a grain of salt.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Uhassic like height weight, height weight, I'm always right, like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: he's six one two ten, which we know, we know
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: he's six. I always think of like he ran his
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: forty on like a downhill track. They like skewed the field,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: they did the win.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: They made sure he ran with the wind, not against
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: the win exactly. So it's like take it with a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: grain of salt. But I do think he ran the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: four or five to one in his Pro Day and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: then you watch it on tape and he actually he
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: really does get by people. Now I'm not saying he's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: a deep threat and he doesn't like satisfy this idea
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: that we both had going into off season. Get the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: guy that's gonna take the top off the defense. He
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't do that, that's not the point, but he has
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: the ability to do it, which I think checks a
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: box for this Joe Brady offense. I don't think they
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: necessarily want the basketball lineup. I think that's what we want.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I think what they want. I think what they want
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: is for everyone to have like ancillary traits that can
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: satisfy the basketball lineup. But for the most part, these
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: players live in the middle of the spectrum. They want
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: as many guys as possible to live in the middle
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: of this wide receiver spectrum in terms of skills and traits.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: And then where you specialize, there's just like a thing
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: here or there, like you know, Keank Coleman, body control, jump,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: all stuff like that's his little special ability. But for
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the most part, he lives closer to the middle than
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you would think. Like all of these guys I think
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: live closer to the middle than you would think. And
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: that's how I think they want to build the room.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: And this is just another guy like that. Yeah, he
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: can separate at all levels. I don't think he's quote
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: unquote different deep speed, but he has it. And it's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: not like I keep doing the game. No, no, no,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Charles is saying separation and deep. Oh I got you.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah I read that.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh you met you read it like he's yeah, yeah,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: that's exactly high.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: You got me that La culture, man, I get Mad
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: City culture.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I appreciate the cleanup that was. That was good. Though.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: I keep comparing him to Gabe Davis, But in terms
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: of winning deep, Gabe did it. Did it in a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: lot of physicality and build up speed. Palmer has good
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: short area quickness, Like he can get off the line
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage with a good release and he can get
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: to top speed relatively quickly. It's what we were talking
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: about this last night at like eleven thirty at night. Yeah,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's not like an astounding ten yards split or anything,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: but it's it's good and he can get by you.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: But honestly, it's because of what he does at the
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, Like everything he does starts with his
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: release package and then from there it's just kind of
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: being able to beat you in any way. Like that's
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: my favorite thing about him is just alignment versatility, route versatility,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: like he can win at all three levels. He's only
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: twenty five, so he can still grow in terms of
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: how he's winning at all three levels. So I've probably
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: talked too long on this, but I like him a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: lot just because of how well rounded he is and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: how much he's going to fit perfectly into this whole
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: mantra of everybody eats like that's the point. He he
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: can do anything that you need him to do. He
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: might not be the blocker that Gay Davis or Mac
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Collins was, but he can do it. He's a very
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: willing blocker. You see him scrapping down the field for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: guys like there were a couple of Lad McConkey, there
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: are a couple of Lad McConkie touchdowns that he, yeah,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: scoot handedly helped like he is a very and the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Bill's coaching staff loves guys that are flocked fucking downfield
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: when it's like not even their business. Like they talk
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: about Dalton Kinkaid doing it all the time.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: They talk about Khalil security because he can't walk anywhere
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: around the lanscrew, but.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: They always acknowledge it. They always acknowledge it, like even
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen acknowledges it like it's always the top thing
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: that they talk about.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, because it indicates like effort and care and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: want to It's the stuff that like you don't have
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: to do that you kind of do, but you kind
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: of don't, and so when you do it with consistency,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, Like it's like the person who shows
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: up like ten minutes early for their shift every day
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: just to make sure they're on time for their shift.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Like, you don't have to do that.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: You can show up right when your shift starts a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: het dune in, but like, yeah, shows that little care.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: So I really like him for what he can be
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: in the future, but also what he is right now.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Like I think at the floor, he's giving us what
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel gave us last year, which was spurts of
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: good stuff, right Like I think everyone was probably disappointed
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: with what Curtis Samuel gave us.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I still think and this isn't this is just from
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: BB being live at camp a bunch. I really do
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: think if he doesn't get hurt at the end of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: camp or preseason or whatever, I think he plays a
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: much more significant role. He was the move like the
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: leverage creator and main target throughout the majority of camp.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: And I was there for like several days like early late,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: like he was, and Brady had him brought in like purposely,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: and his best years came under Brady, Like I really
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: do think he would have had a more significant role.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe we're still underestimating Curtis Samuel's role and all this
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: is based off he was last year. And again I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: don't think that injury ever went away because he tried
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: to play with it a little bit through the foot
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: so like maybe, uh, you know, I don't thinks are
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: different a little bit for him.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't want to get you off.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, you're good. But I truthfully believe like that's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: his floor, is just like an output as a role player.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And then on top of all of this, on top
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: of all of this, he played in a system last
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: year that kept the ball on the ground. Oh yeah,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: fair point, Like he has been a role player and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: he has been like silently gracious through his four years
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: in uh Los Angeles.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: He's got from a really good route runner in Keenan Allen.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: And Mike Williams, like getting pieces from both of them,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: like not so much on the route running, but like
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: it just generally.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: Speaking like a body control, body positioning.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Like he's gotten stuff from both of those guys, and
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: they both have had their share of injuries, and he
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: steps up and he produced every single time when he
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: was asked to, he stepped up and produced. And then
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: in this final year with Los Angeles, like they really
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: took the air out of the ball, and he still
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: did all the dirty work that they asked him to do.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: And then when his number was called, like he's just
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: a really solid, dependable guy, which is like bills through
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: and Through just get a bunch of BB plus guys
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: like this is another one of those guys. But the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: upside is he's twenty five turning twenty six and he
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: could develop a whole lot within the next two three years.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: So I'm all for it. I think there's value here
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: in a in a wide receiver market that's really hard
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: to find value, Like it's such a booming market, Like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to find value. But I think twelve
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: million a year for a twenty five year old is
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: pretty solid. Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: I think the way it kind of shook out, I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: initially was like, oh that, Like I thought he would
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: go for like five to like seven and a half.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: I was thinking seven right, like again just kind of
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: lower high. Like my thought was yeah, okay, like six
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: and a half, seven million year or something.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Like that, Like I thought, Yammy Brown happens.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: And it's like, so the the first one was Tu Tou,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: like Tutu went for one year ten and I was like, oh,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: so in the film room, Eric and I all three
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: guys Tou Tou, Diami, and Palmer were all on that
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: episode last week or two two weeks ago, two weeks two,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I think, and so we had I had done a
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: contract projections for them in addition to the scouting, and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: I saw what Tutu went for and I immediately was like,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: oh wow, good for him. And then I went, oh, no,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: like this market. And then I saw and saw what
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: Diambi got. And so the first thing from you for
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Palmer with the contract, which again you and I talked
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: about yesterday and like I didn't love it, and I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: still don't like necessarily love it, but I dan if
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: it falls functions more as two it is what it is.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: But that's the market, like yeah, yes, every year bank,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: that's free agency.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: That's the market.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: It is what it is.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: It happened a couple years ago with Christian Kirk and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: uh the A's Jones contract, ironically both of the Jags.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: But like certain positions get blow even this year with
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: what certain guys are getting on the market for an
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: offensive line, specially quickly, like.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are having a fantastic offseason, but they are
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: also objectively overspending on every single guy. Like both can
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: be true.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's fair. And I just think with Palmer you
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: needed his skill set in the room. I think you
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: and you didn't say it to night. I thought you
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: were gonna but you had a great line to me
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: yesterday when we were texting about it, and you know,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: you said, like he's a piece of the puzzle. Oh
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: and I think that's what he is. Yeah, what you
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: did say, You said that, you know, he's I don't
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: even know what puzzles are. I'd never even heard that one.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: You said he's a pe. You said he's a piece
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: of the puzzle, Like he's made. Roy Lopez went to
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: the Lions.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: That fits.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: That makes That's a great call. Good for them. I
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: want to throw myself through the window. That's disappointing. Thank you,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: Luke for that in the chat. Yeah, he's a he's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: a piece of the puzzle. I don't think he's necessarily
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: a needle mover or a pendulum swinger, but he's a
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: piece to the puzzle. What I have for everything, my
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: biggest things for him. He gives the bill size and
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: frame which you alluded to, seventieth percentile for weight, not
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: in a good way, not like, oh good, he's like overweight,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: seventy percent of hele for weight, seventy ninth percentile for
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: arm length, fifty eighth percentile for hype. And then the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: route running ability, mainly the ability to separate underneath and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: in the intermediate via pacing and deception in his stems
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: good release package. You know, you hit on a lot
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: of the technical points I spoke. I spoke on him
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: in the film last week, so I'm not there gonna
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: go too hard with it again. But just you have
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: somebody who is comfortable going up against press, who's comfortable
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: going up against off man or press man, who knows
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: how to pace and change a little bit with his Oh,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: Lopez went for one year, four point sixty five.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Oh. I would have given him.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: That in an instant.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I would have given him five and a half.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: Sorry, thank you for that, Luke.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Yeah, I hate you, but appreciate it.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm mad at the world right now, but
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: I thank you so much. He can win the line,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: he can win in the stem, he can win on
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: the break. He can win with a little bit of physicality.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: He can win footwork. He can beat you with some
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: shark He's not a sudden player, but he does have
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: sharpness and precision to his game as a route runner.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: There are so many moments though, where I say that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: and then like he pulls a pivot route or he
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: pulls a comeback route, and I'm like, where'd you pull
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: that from? Like, I haven't seen this on what he does.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: But for me, I sdarkness and suddenness are two different things,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: even for me at least when he runs those routes,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: I see the sharpness and the precision. When I think
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: of suddenness, I think of like how Garrett Wilson runs
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: a route Like Garrett Wilson.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, no, I understand how you're using it.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: That's kind of so he doesn't have that what the
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: decision is there? The the sharpness, yes, the sharpness is there,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: and again that I don't expect a dude who's six'
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: one two to to be a sudden. GUY i expect,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: It but the fact that he has that level of
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: sharpness precision at HIS i don't know if it's The
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: Keenan allen. Factor and you, know working with that guy
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: day after day after, day And Keenan allen for years
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: one of the best route, runners one of the best
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: release packages in THE. Nfl AND i think you see
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: again not saying That Josh palmer's cut To, allen but
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: you got somebody who is good working in tight, splits
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: working out. Wide he's comfortable as the number one outside
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: you can. Have you can run a three by, one
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: he can be the solo receiver on the back, side
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to. Do, again comfortable against, press comfortable
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: against off man and, zone knows how to work into
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: some blind. Spots just a good amount of technicality and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: just a good overall. PLAYER i wish he had a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: little more vertical speed to, him a little more long. Speed,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: again he's not slow like you, Said he's got. MORE
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: i think he's a good athlete and he's more explosive
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: like you said in in the short. Areas you see
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: some explosion in the And i'm thinking of the verbiage
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: THAT i texted you last.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Night you see some explosion in like the one to,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: ten but then when he opens it, up he doesn't
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: have that next. Year, yeah like he gets his top
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: end and like he just maintains, it which is, fine
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: especially for his.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Size, yeah he's got some good contested. Catchability there's a
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: couple of nice reps of that for. Him but just
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: somebody who.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Can sick one hander on the top sideline that barely broken.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: Up, yeah what game was THAT i was last? NIGHT
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: i thought scrolling through where it's to the top of
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: the screen and he reaches out with the left hand
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: and brings it, in but then the corner smacks it right.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Out. Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: ALMOST i just think he's a guy who helps you
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: out in a lot of, ways AND i WANTED i
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: still think they need more of a vertical speed element deep,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: threat which Maybe Curtis samuel can be that to a,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: degree BUT i will take another guy who can win
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: in the intermediate and the underneath and can do it
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: with route running and precision, deception stem, work, breakwork that
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: kind of, stuff and then as the size to go
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: with it, again this is a piece of the. PUZZLE
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: i still, again you, know in an ideal, WORLD i
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: would have rather paid him like seven million a, year
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: but Same, unfortunately you just kind of have to go
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: with what the market. IS i don't think he's somebody that,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: wow like The bill's Got Josh, Palmer oh my. God
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: BUT i don't think he's this cast. OFF i think
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of people are kind of downplaying the signing
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: is like he's just like he's a, Jag like he's
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: just a, guy he's. Whatever BUT i think his skills above. That,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: ye a little above that for, Sure AND i think
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: his skill set fits what they. Needed they needed that
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: In you don't if you look At Samuel Coleman shakir
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: even for how Good shakira, is, right, like you need
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: somebody who's got that precision route running game to go
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: with What shakira offers on the. Outside, yes and can
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: play on the outside like and mc collins wasn't giving you.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: That AND i love Mac collins LIKE i loved his.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: BLOCKING i am concerned a little bit of what what
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: does do look like this?
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: Year?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah Without hollins as that, blocker he was so savvy
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: picking up blocks and making plays For shakir on THOSE rpo,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: bubbles you, know in those box, counts, like, Oh allen
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: sees what's in the box? Here, okay spitting it.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Out maybe the plan is to Make Dalton kinkaid replace mc.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: Collins, yeah but the problem Is hollins is such a
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: better blocker than Can.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: CAGE i, Agree but Maybe i'm hoping, that you, know
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: maybe they can force him into that. Role. Yeah that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: that could also work. Too that could also.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Work i'm hoping it's it's more key on and he's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: ready to kind of take that next step from a snapshare.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: Perspective but, YEAH i, AGAIN I i'm a fan as you,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: are you, know building the basketball. LINEUP i like the,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: SIZE i like the route running, capability and again what
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: he can do in his, releases his stems and on
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: the break being able to win it all three spots
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: in the, low, uh you, know in the underneath and the.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Intermediate i'll take. It i'll take it.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: UP i was pleasantly surprised BECAUSE i went into this
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: kind of knowing just how well rounded he, was BUT
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: i wasn't expecting to see much juice at. All AND
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: i was really pleasantly surprised to see how much he
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: could get even or past his guy on vertical routes
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: or even on deep.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: Overs he is deceptively and some of it is like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: coverage guys kind of just blowing coverage to a. Degree
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: but he is decessibly fast to like if you look
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: away for a quick, click he's passed. You, Yeah AND
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: i think that's a testament to, him like having more
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: speed than you.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Think like there were plenty of, Reps oh my, god
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: this this really bothered. Me But herbert really really zoned
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: in on LAD mcconki last.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: Year oh there was some of my favorite reps For
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: palmer on. Tape are him not getting?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Targeted he, says. BREAK i think all of my favorites
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: from him was his.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Targets he had one Against, arizona AND i know you
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: watched this last night Against. Press it WAS i think
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: maybe the second, player the third play in that playlist
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: where he's if you're watching the, screen it's a two by.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Two he's the number one to the top of the
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: screen and it's just like a deep. Comeback but the
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: snap he runs off the corner and then it's, one two, three,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: bang and he turns.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Out AND i was, like, oh get him the, ball
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: AND i THINK i did that it least the last.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Night like there were so many times where it's like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: this guy's creating so much. Stuff even that one Against
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: tennessee A, laddimaconnie the one Against brownlee Against.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Tennessee, right he doesn't get the ball on that target,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: either the one that you texted me about at like
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: forty eight seconds and in the first the short.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Pivot, yeah and you're like on the.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Ball but AGAIN i, understand Like, Laddie, yeah he's getting. Pressured,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: yeah it was, Fine it was, fine but, yeah some
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: of his bests or him not getting a. Target there
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: was some other ones where it's, like, okay he's playing
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: against cover two and the safety is not getting enough
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: with and there is a clear hole shot on just
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: a vertical like it's not even a corner route or,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: anything but there's a clear hole shot as he beats
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: the corner And herbert's just not even looking at.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Him and we, know like that Is Josh allen's bread and.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Butter he loves hitting that vertical route as they clear
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: the corner and the safety isn't getting enough. With that's
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: like a free fifteen yards For Josh. Allen he loves.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: That Josh palmer was open a lot on those this past.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Year So i'm not saying, he's you, know deep, threat
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get us those sixty seventy yard touchdowns or.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Anything but he can win deep more than you would.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Think he can win past the fifteen yard. Mark SO
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: i was pleasantly surprised by that and being able to
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: win on deep. OVERS i just didn't think that was
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: gonna be in his. Game but he's developed. Well he's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: honestly developed, well AND i think he can continue develop In.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: Buffalo, yeah, yeah Thanks. JOE i already know That Roy
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: lopez went To. DETROIT i don't need you to rub it.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: In.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: NO i appreciate, You, joe thank.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: You i'm sincerely.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: HEARTBROKEN i really want to know that.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Sucks that sucks because you know what's.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Nasty Roy lopez playing next to A lin McNeil is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: going to be sick In detroit and Then hutch coming
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: off the.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: EDGE i really like that For.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Detroit, yeah he's good on. Inbreakers you, know he'll run
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: that dig or that basic Like charles mentioned, there you
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: can run that over that post you mentioned it last
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: night we were talking on the. Text, YEAH i, AGAIN
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: i think he's a piece of the. PUZZLE i still
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: think he's fit for more of like a wide receiver.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: Three maybe could creep into wide receiver two territory if
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: he starts to ascend a little bit.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Hecking order in the wide receiving. Room.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i just think in, general if you're building
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: out a wide receiver, room a good wide receiver room
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Has Josh palmer probably his wide receiver, three but he
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: can step Into it's just such a unique conversation because
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: of how The bills have exactly that's it's a nuanced
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: conversation with The bills because because also, two because of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: how the run factors. In, yeah technically from a snapshare, PERSPECTIVE.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Matc collins was like wide receiver one or two last
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: year and then technically even this year coming, Up Cole
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: sekurra is wide receiver. One but If i'm also.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: Like target pecking, order LIKE i truthfully see shakiras one
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: for wide, receivers and THEN i really see a path
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: For palmer to be two for wide. Receivers, sorry wide.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: Receivers got? You, Yeah, NO i don't think that's crazy IF.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I see a path for him to be like clear
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: cut two And samuel's, three or Like samuel And coleman
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: are like sharing three in.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: An ideal, World coleman develops and he's pushing for two for. Sure.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: THREE i don't Think samuel is ever going to be
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: like a target, guy to be like A troy. TWO
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: i think he'd be more of like you want him
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: to be like three catches seventy five, Yards like that's
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: like WHAT i think urt Of samuel has built more
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: to be in an ideal, world It's. Coleman but to your,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: POINT i don't think that's crazy That palmer could like
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: get to.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: That he just feels so much more reliable to the
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: point where like he just shares such a similar to.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: Me he really Screams Khalil shakir with, size like in
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: terms of how he's so well rounded in that, regard
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: not like he's the same, player but in the sense
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: that he's very dependable and you can you can rely
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: on him to do all the little things the right.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Way he just feels like a guy that's gonna develop
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: chemistry With josh quickly and he's gonna command.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: TARGETS i don't.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Know that's just.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Me that's.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Fair, NO i, UH i think he has some upside
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: for that and the fit in the, system How alan,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: plays how the offense, layers What brady. LIKES i don't
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: think it's crazy.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: For you, know, again for, ME i do think in
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: a good wide.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Receiver, ROOM i think He's, yeah the, Three you're absolutely,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: right who can kind of like what he was with The. Chargers,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: oh you got My williams And Keenan allen And palmer's your. Three,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: okay one of them went down for two to three. Weeks,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Okay palmer can fit in a bit and do some.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: Things but, yeah The bill's conversation is interesting considering how
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: it makes it weird how they, Open But i'll take
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: a guy who knows how to get open and the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: underneath in the intermediate may have cost a little, more
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: but that's more of the market than.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Anything you.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Needed this skill set in the, room and especially with
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: what you need on, Defense LIKE i don't love having
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: to take a receiver On day one or.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Two just giving agreed they needed really helps them for the.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Draft this really helps him attack what they need to
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: in the. DRAFT i.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: Agree i'm right there with. You anything else On palmer
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: before we talk About Michael. Hoyt, No i've exhausted. It
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: copy of that piece Of palmer does have this odd
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: habit of mixing his ice Team lemonade fifty to. Fifty
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: well Good, joe well, Done. PETE i appreciate.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: That that was a good. One all, Right Michael. Hoyt
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Mister Michael. HOYT i WAS
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: i was really happy with his. TAPE i only got
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: to like week thirteen. ISH i, mean, granted he doesn't
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: have a ton of, snaps BUT i really liked his
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: mix of, size, movement, skills, physicality. EFFORT i, mean his
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: game is his effort and. Motor but what's nice about it,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: is AND i feel LIKE i say this about a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: lot of, guys it's effort and motor without playing, recklessly, Right,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: like he still plays, very very in control and he
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: knows what he's. Doing early, ON i think there was
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: a game against The, CARDINALS i was, like all, right
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: he's just kind of banging his head into the polar
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: and he's not keeping his eyes up against the. Run
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: but THEN i kind of saw more and more tape
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: AND i was, Like, okay that's just because he's facing
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: a polar and he can't just get beat at the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: point of, attack and he smashes polars like like that's his,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: Thing like he really takes it to the. Polars AND
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: i think this is just part of his game because
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: THEN i started watching AND i started to see his
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: pass rush, plan And i'm, LIKE i think he tries
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: to set the tone early with his physicality because he
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: has heavy hands and a lot of, Strength like he's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: a very functionally strong, player AND i think he tries
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: to set that up early because he has a really
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: good swipe and spin swim move that comes off of.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: THIS i THINK i think offensive lineman really think he's gonna,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: attack hit them with a bowl rush and with, power
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: and when they gear up for that and they try
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: to get their hands on, him he just swipes and
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: swims around.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: Him he's got a really nice cross chop. Too you'll
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: see him stack with that euro and then bang and
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: pulls himself. Through but it only works because he makes
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: them fear the power. First AND i think that's really
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: crucial to one just that he has the whear with.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: You but you know WHAT i, Mean like he has the.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Football instincts and intelligence to, understand like he's not the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: greatest pass rusher in the, world but he has good
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: hands and heavy hands and he knows how to sequence
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: them throughout a game to win for his skill, set
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: AND i think that that really does speak to who
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: he is as a. Player BUT i, think, yeah he's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: really strong at the point of, attack plays with a
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: ton of, effort so he's very good against the. Run
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: the way he, deconstructs he can deconstruct blocks so, efficiently
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: like it's he's not a stack and shed, guy but
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: like he can really just kind of play with offensive
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: linemen and think that they're in a comfortable spot and
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: he just swipes the straight off of. Him so he's
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: not gonna be an edge bender or anything like, that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: but he can get around the edge on. Occasion but
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be more of a pocket pusher if we're
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: talking about him as a pass. Rusher but layer this
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: with The Joey bosa thing and it's, like, well hopefully
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: if he's a pass, rusher he's gonna be doing, that you,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: know non hand in the dirt a gap type of,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: stuff which is really nice because he's just such a,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Mismatch LIKE i don't want to sit here and say
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: he's a chess, piece like He's Derwin.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: James he's a chess. Piece he's a chess. Pieces he
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: is just like a lower tier version like he, is
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: but like he's Not Michael.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Parsons, No LIKE i don't want him going into, coverage
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: but like ign knowledging how much The bills use sims and,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Creepers i'm, like, Okay like it's it's, Fine LIKE i
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: don't mind him dropping into coverage because it's honestly better
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: than what we. Have, yeah like there was a lot
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: of The Lorenzo alexander. Comps i've seen a lot of
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: that because, yeah like he does a lot of different.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Things LIKE i don't prefer him off, ball BUT i
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: understand that it's a thing that you can do with.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: HIM i prefer him on the line of, scrimmage either
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: defending the run from the line of scrimmage or rushing the.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Passer but the alignment versatility in the mismatch piece is
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: really big for me BECAUSE i think he has the
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: power and, speed the power and movement. Skills i'll say
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: the power and movement skill mix that really can be
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: troublesome for tight ends on the, edge like he overpowers tight. Ends,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: yeah but then. Tackles he can still overpower some tackles
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: every now and. Again but then if you move him
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: inside and we start talking about what he does head
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: up in the a gap from a two point, stance
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: he's just his movement. Skills he's a little too quick for,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Guards like guards really can't handle his. Quickness SO i
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: JUST i really like the blend of his skill. Set
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: there's so many different things to touch AND i HOPE
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: i hit all of, them AND i know you're going,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: to but like it's so it's so tough to encapsulate
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: his value because he brings it in so many different
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: areas of the. Field he's a very hard guy to.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: Summarize but he will be valuable to this team in
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: a way that we don't necessarily know because The bills
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: are gonna have to tweak things to get the most
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: out of. Him like you don't want to leave things
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: on the table with his skill set because he offers
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: a lot in multiplicity and they need to tap into.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: That so the biggest thing for me with, him and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: part of WHY i like, him want to go back
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: to this comment From Charles charles, says Just hoyt Plus
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Ryan nielsen equal a more, aggressive diverse. Defense So i've
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: talked about this a bunch this. Offseason why like The
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: Ryan nielsen, addition AND i know people believe it Was
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: jakes defense coordinating that defense.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: SUCKED i don't.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: Care, WELL i kind of, do BUT i kind of.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Don't for, me it WAS i, again Like august last
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: the Past august leading into this past, SEASON i was
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: just like decided to watch Them Jesse bates tape AND
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: i watched LIKE i maybe watched like seven or Eight falcons,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: games and the thing THAT i kept taking away was
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: how awesome the twenty twenty Three falcons sim and creeper, programmatically,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: yeah schematically on third down they were just like a.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Nightmare and that's a that's a defense that was no,
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Disrespect like didn't have a lot of horses UP i.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Was just gonna, say they couldn't rush to the.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: Passer, no they had No they Had Grady, jarrett you,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: know but you, know not necessarily what he once, was
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: and then a lot of dudes that most people probably
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: can't name at linebacker end up front in twenty twenty,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: three and it was just such a good sim and creeper.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Pracket SO i Saw nielsen come, ON i was, like, oh,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: defensive like, assistant like like what does that? Mean and
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: then McDermot, said he's gonna be more focused on THE d.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Line you, know that's where his bread and butter is
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: gotta YadA are in his experience or whatever verbiage that he.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Used and the REASON i Targeted hoyt was because Then
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: i've said this for the past couple of, years and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: you know. THIS i want The bills front to be more.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: DIVERSE i you, know it's cool if four down over
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: front get. IT i want more like we're in some
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: five down.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Fronts we're in some tight front.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Stuff work in different packages and alignments and things and pressure,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: looks AND i get. It if you can just be
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: What sean McDermott. Wants he wants to recreate the twenty
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: Fifteen panthers defense where it's Just Jared allen And Charles
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: johnson And Kaewan short And starletttulala and they can just
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: rush for and get home and cause havoc and play
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: coverage behind.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: IT i get.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: It The bills, front, yes The bills front does not have,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: that and they haven't been. That AND i also think
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: just with how offenses operate now you need a little
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: more schematic. Diversity, YEAH i think A hoyt is a
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: step in that direction because of his skill, set which
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: is tied to you, know the versatility that he, offers
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: like the combination of size and athleticism that he, brings
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: paired with the violence and, Technique like watching him on one,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: rep you, know execute a really, clean beautiful cross chop
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: and being able to turn the. Corner and then like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: you go to another game and, yeah he's just Meeting
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Pinna sewel head.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: On, yeah that's the first CLIP i saw of. Him
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: it's just blowing up and A sewel.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Blowing him up as he pulls on that tackle long trap,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: bang and then he Tackles gibbs in the. Backfield same
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: thing when he matches that polar From Green, Bay like
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: he is that force, player but he's also trying to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: go through.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Them and so to watch the level of.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: Technicality he can be, technical he can be, Violent like
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: you can line him up as a four to three,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: edge you, know any typical like we see four down. Front,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: okay line him up right right right right off the,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: tackle you want to play him in a five down
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: front and have him play outside the tight end and
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: like a wide nine and have mashed the tight end
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: and set the edge.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: There. Cool you want to line them up in THE
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: a gap or over the.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: Center. Cool you want to have him lineup off ball
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: and then blitz through THE a gap or the.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Bgap.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: Cool you want him to be a spiker and annihilate
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: a guard so somebody can come.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Clean. COOL i just like what that skill set was on.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Tape individually as a.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: PLAYER i was like, this those are the type of
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: DUDES i Gravitate. Toorge you AND i have talkball so.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Much you always love these type of. Guys, yes, yeah
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: and me, philosophics this is, yes you get. Me, well
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: it's been like four.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: Years LIKE i want dudes who play like velociraptors and
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: have velociraptor but he is, that and he is, That
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: and IF i could build a, defense my defense would
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: be more of like a three four hybrid type of
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: defense where similar to kind of LIKE i, guess modern,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: football Like george's defense in, college where you got these
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: guys like, okay like Who's, russian who's? Dropping what can
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: you do WHEN i recognize you need the body types for,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: that and it's harder THE, nfl BUT i just don't
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: like being static anywhere on. Defense LIKE i don't want
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: you to know what Coverage i'm. PLAYING i don't want
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: you to know Who's. RUSSIAN i don't want you to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: know who's, dropping who's doing, What and in order to do,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: that you need to have the body types for. It
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: AND i Think hoyt is a move in that, direction
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: To charles's point and a QUESTION i should, say and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: a large reason WHY i liked, him and you know
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: you mentioned a bunch of those pieces as.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: WELL i just think he gives.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: You a lot of. VERSATILITY i don't think he's this player.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: WHO i don't think he's an Athletic, marvel AND i
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: don't think HE'S i don't think he's a jack of all,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: trades master of, none BUT i do think he's closer
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: to that than being like a real plus matchup in
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: any one. Area but WHAT i like about him IS
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: i would say his plus matchup is just, violence like
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: AND i say violence.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: From functional, strength just like.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Mentality, yes the plays the, game and AGAIN i guess
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: dirt sandpaper. VIOLENCE i thought The bills needed more of
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: that up. FRONT i want somebody on this defensive line
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: who can beat the hell out of a tight end
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: or a tackle or a guard or a. Center and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: then you throw in the fun little things of like
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: LIKE i put it out on the clip, clip one
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: of the clip PACKAGES i put out this. Morning like
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: against The, patriots they run close up the drag yeah
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: From Hunter henry, right, yeah, yeah he drops into coverage
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: and into like the hook, curl but he legitimately looks
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: to his, right sees that the number one is going.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Vertical his eyes get back To henry and he drives
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: on it like he makes it like it's Not WHEN i.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: Came back to earth on, like, OKAY i guess he
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: can be in cover ridge. Now at that POINT i was,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: like please don't put him in. Ridge, yeah don't do.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: It like, now his movement in space and in coverage isn't,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: great like the base and the. Feet he's not some
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: like super. Fluid, again he's Not Micah parsons in, space
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: but he's. Not he didn't make that play by. Accident
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: like he's legitimately reading and within his responsibility and then,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: clicking closing and detonates on and reinforces the.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: Incompletion that was an impressive play from.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Him, yes AND i like that because again you get
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: the third down. Stuff so you're taking this. Guy is
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: he rushing off the? Edge why does he rushing? From
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: is he rushing from off? Ball is he dropping into
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: coverage like this the CLOSEST i think The bills will
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: get towards like chaos manufacturing on third out is simulated
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: in creepers and then creative five ban pressures like that's
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: what they're That that's WHERE i think they can.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: GO i think they need to go that. WAY i
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: want them to go that.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: Way AND i Think hoyd is a significant step just
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: because you can you can put him in so many
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: spots on, first, second or third down and get creative with.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Him AND i just really liked that. SIGNING i thought
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: the contract was. Good what they uh one of my
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: three years twenty four?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: Million, yeah it's probably another two plus. One, Yes AND
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: i THINK i saw THE i don't know.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: WHY i THINK i saw the. BREAKDOWN i saw a
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: projection for it and it was very. Favorable, yeah and especially,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: now like you, said you put it in in lockstep
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: with The bosa.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: News IT'S i love it even.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: More now you've just Got groot And hoy who can
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: just beat the hell out of anybody off the. Edge
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: you've Got epanessa who's grown into a role as a
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: good first and second down player from an efficiency metrics,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: standpoint and is improved versus the. RUN i would still
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: like some more pass Rush papa, whatever he's an edge.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: THREE i think hoyit can be a two groups your
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: one and Then bosa is your, one is the pass,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: rusher and then you've Got Javon solomon who you're hoping can.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: DEVELOP i just think the edge grouping is really panned out.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Nicely, YEAH i completely. AGREE i mean on the versatility.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: POINT i think what gets so exciting beyond creepers and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: sims is also like the spy packages that they were
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: using against The. Chiefs it was like the only thing
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: that was working against The chiefs in the. Playoffs well like,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: that the odd mirror stuff that they, do like What
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: georgia does You and now you can Add hoyt to
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: the mix and do like five man front odd mirror
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: stuff and it's, like, bro is It? Milano is It
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: hoyt as a?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Spy?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Like, Look i'm not Saying hoyt's a better spy Than
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: milano because, Athletically i'd rather Have. Milano but you add a,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: wrinkle like that is a viable wrinkle where he's not
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: a drop. OFF i mean he's a drop off as
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: an athlete in that, role but he can do it
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: to the point where it's like you're not dropping off
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: to pull on, Liability like he could play that spiral
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: violently and shoot to the quarterback similar to What milano,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: does AND i think that that is. Value like we
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: need to find different ways to play those third downs
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: because there's too many times where the defense wins on
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: first and second. Down and you gotta Get mahomes off,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: field you gotta Get Joe burrow off the, Field you've
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: got to Get Lamar jackson off the. Field but you
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: can't do It, vanilla like you like it has to
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: have a wrinkle because it's to the point of The carolina,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: team like we just don't have those. Horses but like
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: if you start looking at and you're, like, okay so
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: let's play like three tight hand in the dirt defensive
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: Tackles rousseau At Oliver Joey bosa and then someone off the.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: EDGE i don't. Know Maybe bosa is more off the,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: edge and Then hoyt's also off the, edge and It's
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Daikwan jones in the middle with At oliver and you
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: have those Three, Rousseau daiquon and At oliver hand in the,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: dirt and Then hoyt And bosa two point stand, right
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: but you still Have bernard And milano off. Ball you
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: don't know who's, coming who's. Going, yep you could be sending,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: five you could be sending, three you could be sending,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: four you could be dropping, eight you could be dropping.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Seven you don't know who's, coming who's. Going there's so
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: many permutations, too of how you can execute that as a,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: defense not just like how to confuse the, offense but
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: also just like as a, defense how you want to
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: execute that just to be optimal on your own. SIDE
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: i just thing he creates so many possibilities for this,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: defense and it's very exciting BECAUSE i think you hit it,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: briefly but he's sneaky a three down.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: Player, yeah.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: When you watch him right off the, rip you're, like,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: oh this is a two down run. Stopper he'll just
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: play a, role which is probably true to an Extent
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: like that will probably be his predominant, role but they
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: have to find ways to get him on the field
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: for third down because he's an. Asset but they need
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: to figure out exactly how they're going to maximize that. Ability,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: YES i like.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: THAT i want to answer two quick comments from the.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: CHAT jamiu Says, anthony what would you think of Adding Kaleis? Campbell?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: NEXT i would Welcome Kalais campbell with open. Arms he defies,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: age he continues to ball. Out he was good In
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: atlanta two seasons, ago he was good In miami this past,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: year AND i just want anything on the. INTERIOR i
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: would take him Over Dwayne carter right. Now, YEAH i
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: would Take Kalais. Campbell al Says avanessa a good run.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: Defender question. MARK i KNOW i mentioned this a couple
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: of times out of one hundred and twenty seven qualifying
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: edges against the. Run in twenty twenty, four Aj atbanessa
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: was tied for sixteenth in stops and he was twenty
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: fourth in run stop, Percentage so he played like an
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: edge two against the. Run pass rush productivity went, down
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: which is significantly down for and when it was up
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: the year. Before but, yeah he's sneakily and quietly turned
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: into a pretty good run defender from a sound perspective
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: and from even an advanced metrics and efficiency. Perspective but
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: to your, point, yeah LIKE i even with oddmir stuff
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: like he can be the guy off the edge to
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: get the quarterback off the, spot like that aggressive dude,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: crashing or you could get get a little creative and
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: drop him like there's so. Many like you, said, PERMUTATIONS
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: i think is a great, word and so my thought
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: of with it when they made that. Signing my thought
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: this morning was, like, oh, hey is this a breadcrumb
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: towards a more diverse front or is it just, like,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: hey we like this guy and we could do some
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: stuff with, him but we're probably just gonna use hims
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: like a four to three edge and let him kind
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: of do his. Thing The bosa signing is, interesting and
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily move it in one direction or the.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: OTHER i think we'll end up seeing kind of just
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: more sims and creepers and traditional four down front. STUFF
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: i hope though we get. More give me some more
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: five down stuff a little, bit just give me some more.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Creativity and five down doesn't necessarily mean you have to
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Rush all, Five, Like, yeah you can Drop hoyt into
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: the curled flats or the hook curls or do. Whatever
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: LIKE i there is schematic possibility With hoyt THAT i.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: Like and, man it's it's a really it's for. Me
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: it's a really fun. Signing LIKE i just like him
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: schematically and it just ties To like you, SAID i
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: do think there is three down potential there for. HIM
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: i think he can be violent and mash against the
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: run on first and second down and then on. THIRD
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: i kind of like him in the let him be
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: kind of like That amoba, defender where like a like
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: as the as the defense is coming to the line
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: of the offense is coming to the, line.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: He's, like don't give him a.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: Spot, yeah he's lining up over the center and then
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: he starts to move over the guard and then he
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: runs the agony rushes or its vice.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Versa he kind of just drop him all over the.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: Place AND i don't think he's another guy THAT i
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: think is a piece of the, puzzle but opens up
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: your menu a little bit more because of what he can.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: Do AND i thought the cost was very reasonable given
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: what he can. Be, yeah and then you put it
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 3: in you put it in lockstep with hopefully a Healthy,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: bosa and you've you've instantly become better against the run
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: and more versatile, upfront which is nice AND i think
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: that's a. Win and then his pastor stuff is, cool
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: and how it pieces together with The bosa, NEWS i
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: think is also. Cool And i'm a big fan of this.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: Move i'm really liking the off season so. FAR i
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: think that just Having Josh palmer was a Little Josh
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: palmer at the sticker price was a little. Much at,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: FIRST i was, like oh, boy, YES i don't love
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: where this offseason. IS i saw the, NEWS i was,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: like oh. Cool and THEN i kept reading to the
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: contract AND i was, like oh. YEAH i was, like oh,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: boy we're gonna have to spend on the margins even
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: more THAN i, thought, like how are we, gonna you,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: know make moves to make it easier for us in the.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Draft but you, know as time plays, out they found
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: ways Like hoyt is a really good value play and
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: then you pair that With bosa which is whatever you
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: think of what he's going to contribute this, year like
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: it's a good value. Risk AND i JUST i really
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: like the way that they're attacking this, Market like if
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: they do go another one year, whatever ten million For Kalais, Campbell,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: like that's another really smart value. Play it's just, no
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: they're not. SPLASHY i Guess Joey bosa is, splashy but numbers, Like,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: no these aren't splashy. Signings but it's really smart what
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: it's doing for the roster and how it's setting you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: up for the. DRAFT i really really enjoy what they're
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: doing this. Year it's very. CALCULATED i think what you
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: said About hoyt and how he's a piece of the
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: puzzle and how he opens up the, MENU i kind
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: of feel very similarly About palmer and what he does
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: opening up the menu for for the wide receiver. Room
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: he's not A Mari, cooper but how we brought in
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: A Mari cooper and he opened up the menu for the.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: OFFENSE i Think palmer gives you a little bit of.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: That AND i just think both of those guys are
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: very smart value signings that open up the menu for
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: the team as a, whole personnel wise and.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: SCHEMATICALLY i think even Even bosa a little like is
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: opens up the menu a little bit, too BUT i
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: think is more of like a, splash but also not
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: like crazy like this gets hurt again and turns in
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: like you're you're signing him hoping he can give you
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: some you, know production, obviously but even if it doesn't work,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: out it's it's a one. Year it's not a crazy.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: Overpay they didn't give Him khalil max eighteen million or
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: twenty like it can go up to. FIFTY i have
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: no problem giving him twelve mili and even just the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: one of the big things for me With vaughn, was.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: You, know his.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: Efficiency metrics looked great last, year BUT i thought when
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: you watched the, tape you, know he had some free runner.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: Stuff but more more importantly than, that most of his
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: production from a pressure standpoint came in like three, games
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: like he HAD i think five Against, arizona then four Against,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: miami four Against. Jacksonville so thirteen of his like thirty
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: something pressures came in like three. Games aside from, that
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: he had a bunch of like no, pressures one, pressure two,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: pressures no, pressures like kind of breaking it. Up, yeah
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: and even just looking At bosas last, year so from
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: week three through week eight he had nothing because he
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: was banged up and then coming back out of that two,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: pressures one, pressure but then out on the stretch when
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: he started to get a little. Healthier From week eleven
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: through the wildcard round eight, pressures three, pressures three, pressures five,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: pressures no, pressures three, pressures three, pressures three, pressures five. Pressures, Yeah,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: like this is simple. Game and if you get somebody
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: who is on And i'm not saying pitch, count but
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: you get him in more of a rotation base where
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have to do the heavy lifting on early
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: downs and he doesn't have to extend himself having to
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: play the run to earn the right to rush the quarterback.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: Again LIKE i think IT'S i like the way the
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: edge groupings has come up. EDGED i am content with
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: where they are right. NOW i thought edge was a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: big need this. YEAR i thought they needed to change the.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: Room and With, bosa you've got, athleticism but you've got,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: technicality and you've got a, hunter somebody who can go
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: out and do all the things that you like you
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: need in a little bit of different. Areas and if
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: he stays, healthy, Bro, like you've got a guy who
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: can who went healthy as a top ten edge in this.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: League maybe now if he's diminished a little. Bit top, fifteen,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: like he's still an edge one as a pastor if he's.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: Healthy and then it's the domino effect and the force
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: multiplier effect of what that means for, group what that
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: means For, hoy what that means For. Repanessa, yeah It's.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: YEAH i still can't believe it broke again while we were.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Alive, NO i know that that part.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: IS i thought they were kidding in the chat AND
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: i was, like come, on like are THEY i just
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: saw your face light, up AND i was, like you
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: know what's. Funny, THOUGH i am just as EXCITED i
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: was for. THAT i am significantly distraught That Roy lopez
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: sign with another team the duality of really wanted him
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: AND i thought he was a good. FIT i, mean
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: he's a little BIT i think from archetype, standpoint they
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: probably want more Passor.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: Stewice he's gonna say the, interior.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: But, YEAH i uh, well Maybe Darius alexander From. Toledo
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: we'll see what was on the menu at the interior.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: THERE i was gonna say that our eyes shift directly
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: to cornerback and defensive.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: Tackle, yeah one hundred. PERCENT i think it's full steam
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: ahead right. Now or a corner in round one or
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: defensive tackling round. One, Again i'm still planting the flag
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: For Trey amos right. Now that is WHO i want
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: at at that pick thirty right. Now or it could
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: be defensive tackle depending on who. Falls i'm not opposed to.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: EITHER i think there's a lot of ways that it could,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: really uh really work out for. Them anything else On
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: hoait Or, Palmer.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: No that's ALL i, got. MAN i feel like we
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: covered a, lot AND i Think bill's fans should really
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: be happy about those two.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: Signings, MAN i still can't. BELIEVE i can't believe they
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: made another signing like that.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: While we were so. Crazy i'm like so antsy to
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: start watching those of, film.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: Dude it took EVERYTHING i had to not be, like,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: yeah so here's a. Conversation, Cha, BYE i gotta go
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: watch the film.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Now, sorry, guys that's our instant. Reaction and, later hey,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: man this is. Cool, yeah thank you so.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: Much.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: Goodbye anything.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: On anything you would like going forward or anything that
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: you may have left in the, holster the chamber or
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: notes that we didn't get to tonight as of now
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: because you know the.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: News, no nothing in the, notes but like, definitely just
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: like my eyes are right on defensive tackle and corner
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: in the sense THAT i just want them to get
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: a high floor value, signing like not even just for the,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Draft LIKE i JUST i want them to make sure
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: that there's something there at both positions going into the,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: draft whatever it. IS i, like even looking at last,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: year like The Mike edwards signing as poorly as it
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: panned out for, us, right but like make us signing like,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: that just so you don't feel like you have.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: To give Me Mike, edwards but like one that, works
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: one that like you.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Know might play a, snap but it might do.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: Something but you know WHAT i.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Mean in, concept it's just like get something at either
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: of those positions at value in free, agency and that
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: just it's What Brandon bean has conditioned me to feel
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: for the last like five off. Seasons so THAT'S i
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: want him to go and do that. NOW i want
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: him to show me who's that value signing a defensive
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: tackle THAT i can get excited about jump into the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: tape for. Him who is that value signing at cornerback
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: that you know won't preclude us from drafting a corner,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: early but also makes.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: Us feel a little bit safer at the. Position i'd
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: like to get that for, both.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: And if we can get one for safety as, well
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: that'd be a nice. Bonus but those are the three
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: positions That i'm just like squared in on.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: FAIR i, agree especially after what they've done so far
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: to this. Point the corner market is so tough NOW
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: i even see where did it or. NOT rj said
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: we really need A cb two and free agency and
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: then we.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: CAN bpa the.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: DRAFT i like this idea in. THEORY i just don't
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: think there's A cb two and free agency. Left it's
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: really Just Sante Samuel junior at this, point and there's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: some health stuff from an injury, standpoint with the stinger
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: INJURY i mentioned on the show a couple weeks. Ago
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: we'll see for. That plus he does have to clean
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: up some of his, tackling which is an important part
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: of this. DEFENSE i still love him AND i take
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: him a, heartbeat but THE cb, two like LEGIT cb
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: two market is a little. Scary So kendall to your,
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: Point i'm kind of locks up with you a bit of,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: like give me more of the depth signing a defensive.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: TACKLE i do THINK cb two has to come from the.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: Draft at this point that proj, says could we just
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: go get A Sante Samuel? Junior, then, oh real, QUICK
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: i want to talk about This jamie who says As
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: Sante Samuel junior won't tackle hard. Disagree i've got him on.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: TAPE i put stuff. Out he is a very willing.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: Tackler his tackling issues are two are two. Fold some
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: of it is due to the size and frame limitations
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: that he, has but the majority of, IT i would,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: say probably like sixty five thirty. Five the majority of
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: it is due to his approach to it and then
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: the finishing at the tackle point and the. EXECUTION i
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: should say he is more than a willing tackler against running,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: backs against wide, receivers but it's still an issue like
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: he's gonna miss. Tackles that's WHY i think it can
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: be cleaned up a little bit because the onto is,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: there the aggression is, there the short area burst and
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: the trigger is. There he just needs to be better
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: in the technique and the. Technicality but that is it
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: is a hindrance to your, Point. Jamie it was, like
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: that is that is a fair. Point but, yeah that
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: corner market is, rough especially with what corners are getting paid,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: now even with What fulton got, PAID i was, like oh, yeah,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: yeah and what he got from a guaranteed. Perspective SO
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: i do think it's more of like a like a
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: high END cb, three low end two who just gives
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: you a high end floor And jackson, baby, yeah, honestly
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: like that's kind of what it. Is and then you
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: go corner in round. One BUT i, DO i do
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: think that's the spot right. Now it's full steam ahead for.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: Corner defensive tackle needs, Attention like right now it Is
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: Day It's ed Day, Quon Dwayne, carter and Then loge
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: AND i forget who, else but you're essentially looking At
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: ed and Day quon right.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Now i'm, still you, know.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: Waiting until three years to make a hard stance on a,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: rookie But i'm out On Dwayne carter right. Now SO
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 3: i think The bills need two defensive, tackles not just.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 3: One AND i Think daikon is built more to be
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: a number. Three SO i think you need a legit
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: starter opposite Of Ed oliver to Let daiquon be in
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: a rotation guy more than. Anything SO i, Know i'm.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Sorry joe Loves Dwayne. Carter i'm. SORRY i. KNEW i
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: knew you were gonna have a sad face BECAUSE i
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: knew you were still. Here i'm, Sorry but, yeah defensive
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: tackle is a big. Need you technically need a STARTER cb,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: two you definitely need. One so the full steam ahead
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: and then. Safety, yeah like man if if starts. False
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: somebody asked me about Nick em And warrey in the
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: chat AND i forgot where it, was So i'm not
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 3: pulling it. Up Oh, josh there. Is he, Said, anthony
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: would you take Nick em And warry if he fell
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 3: IF i was The. Bills, NO i don't think he's a.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: FIT i think he's more of a in and around
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage type of, safety maybe even like
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 3: a sub, package like he's more of like a package.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: Linebacker then he is like a deep safety to, me
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: which can be.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: SWEET i just question the fit for The.
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: Bills AND i also don't think for as athletic as
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: he is and how well he, TESTED i don't think
• 2:02:11
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