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Chiefs' Rashee Rice violates probation, Victor Wembanyama's greatness, NFL Offseason Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: Why I saw a headline today that Rashi Rice, chiefs
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Speaker 1: wide receiver, failed a marijuana test, which is under the
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Speaker 1: parameters I guess of his probation. I've been in trouble
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Speaker 1: a lot and is now going to jail for the
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Speaker 1: next thirty days, And I was thinking about You know,
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Speaker 1: one thing that has defined the Chiefs in their run
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Speaker 1: really even post Tyreek, but before is they've just had
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Speaker 1: a lot of reliable players. You know, when I think
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Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes, whether he plays good or not, I
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Speaker 1: think what was so jarring at the end of the
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Speaker 1: season was seeing him lying on the ground in pain.
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Speaker 1: You realize, like, this is a devastating injury. Because every
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Speaker 1: single week, for good or bad, and there's been a
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Speaker 1: lot more good than bad, like there was last year.
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Speaker 1: You knew Patrick Mahomes was going to show up. Same
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Speaker 1: thing with Travis kelce is worst season as a pro,
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Speaker 1: but you know what Travis Kelcey is week in week out.
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Speaker 1: He's reliable. You know he's gonna show up. Same thing
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Speaker 1: with Chris Jones. Same thing with the majority of their
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Speaker 1: core guys. Trent McDuffie, you know, who was a core
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Speaker 1: guy on their team that went to multiple Super Bowls.
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Speaker 1: And I think anytime, and I know this, I think
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Speaker 1: I speak for a lot of people, there is nothing
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Speaker 1: worse than having someone in your life that is unreliable.
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Speaker 1: Right Listen, Let's face it, we're all friends with people
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Speaker 1: that like, yeah, you know, I've known this guy for
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Speaker 1: a long time. Probably not the best guy, but something
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Speaker 1: about him. I just love him. And again I've known
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Speaker 1: him since I was young, and you just like can't
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Speaker 1: quit the person. You wouldn't do business with him, you know,
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't trust him with your wife, but you're just like,
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Speaker 1: hey man, I just tell him about him. I like,
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Speaker 1: we all have those people in our life, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: some people can say this guy's a bad guy, you know,
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I just get along with them. Kind
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Speaker 1: of entertains me to me. Unreliability and a human being
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Speaker 1: that is unpredictable in terms of when they say they're
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Speaker 1: going to do something or when you need them to
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Speaker 1: be there for you is you can't account for it
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Speaker 1: and you can't be sure that they're going to come through.
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Speaker 1: I'm out on like that. That is not someone, especially
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Speaker 1: in business, i'd want to be associated with. I would
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Speaker 1: say the number one thing since I've worked post college,
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Speaker 1: and the most successful people I've been around, the most
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Speaker 1: successful people or the people that I rely on now
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Speaker 1: are just consistently reliable. Most human beings aren't the most
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Speaker 1: talented people at their field. Rareshi Rice is not the
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Speaker 1: best wide receiver in the league, right I'm not the
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Speaker 1: best podcaster in America, but you know what you get
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Speaker 1: every time you look down and out your phone Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,
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Speaker 1: Friday morning three in our podcast. Because this is my
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Speaker 1: job and people I'm in business with depend on me
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Speaker 1: being reliable on a weekly basis. The partners we are
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Speaker 1: now in business with, we've made promises, and I have
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Speaker 1: promises to upkeep on my end. Now. I take a
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Speaker 1: lot of pride in that, just like a lot of
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Speaker 1: players take a lot of pride in availability. And that's
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Speaker 1: not always just playing through injuries. That's being on time.
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Speaker 1: That's showing up on Wednesday like you would show up
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Speaker 1: on Sunday. That's showing up in the off season. That's
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Speaker 1: being ready to come training camp. That's being available. When
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Speaker 1: you told the team you would speak at a charity function,
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Speaker 1: that's when you told your agent you would do X,
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Speaker 1: Y and Z, and I would say most successful people
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Speaker 1: follow up on that. I saw a clip the other
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Speaker 1: day of Miles Turner, the former Pacer center that spent
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Speaker 1: last year on the Milwaukee Bucks, and he was crushing you. Honest.
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Speaker 1: It's like he's never on time, Like you know what
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Speaker 1: kind of a reflection, Buddy, I get the organization's been weird,
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Speaker 1: and you produce, but like you're not on time, Like
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Speaker 1: you can't just the plane weights for you. You don't
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Speaker 1: show up on time when you have a rehab stint
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Speaker 1: scheduled with the team. Kind of embarrassing, honestly, kind of
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Speaker 1: low level. Every human being's been late a time or two.
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Speaker 1: But Rashi Rice at this point in time, is just
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Speaker 1: not a reliable person. And when you're not a reliable
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Speaker 1: person and you're coming off a bad season like the Chiefs,
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Speaker 1: like I wouldn't want to be relying on this individual
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Speaker 1: to be successful. Now, the NFL will always and always
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Speaker 1: has given the benefit of doubt to more talented players.
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Speaker 1: This is not justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but he's
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Speaker 1: pretty damn good and he's been very important for the
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Speaker 1: Chiefs in the sense that they don't have many weapons
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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. They've allocated those resources other places. Some
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Speaker 1: just thought they might take a wide receiver high in
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Speaker 1: the draft. They did not. They took defensive players, which
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Speaker 1: I don't blame them at all, but at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, when you are in a position where you
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Speaker 1: don't have margin freer like smoking weed, I don't care
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Speaker 1: who smokes weed. I never have. That's well before it
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Speaker 1: got legalized, I guess in the majority of states. I
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Speaker 1: still see people getting arrested for it in certain states.
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Speaker 1: But like weed, I'm not a big weed guy. It's
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Speaker 1: me and we don't really mesh. If you want to
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Speaker 1: smoke weed and get high every day, be my fucking guest.
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Speaker 1: So I don't judge Rashi Rice for smoking weed. I
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Speaker 1: judge him for smoking weed when he knows he has
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Speaker 1: to take a drug test and if he fails, he
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Speaker 1: goes to jail. At this point in time, I view
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Speaker 1: you kind of like a moron, Like, so, you're not
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Speaker 1: smart enough when you have something really serious in front
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Speaker 1: of you. If you told me, if you don't do X,
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Speaker 1: Y or Z that if you don't follow these rules,
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Speaker 1: you are gonna spend thirty days behind bars, you know
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Speaker 1: what I would probably do. Do you know what? You
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Speaker 1: would probably do? Follow the rules? Why? Because we all
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Speaker 1: value being outside of a jail. It's kind of nice
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Speaker 1: to have this thing called freedom. So at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, to me, if I was the Chiefs, I'd
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Speaker 1: be out on the guy. I really would, And I
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Speaker 1: understand it's easy to hold on and he's like, well,
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Speaker 1: he's one of our best wide receivers. Oh, we want
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Speaker 1: to make a run back to the playoffs. I think
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Speaker 1: unreliability will always bite you in the ass. I would
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Speaker 1: rather go down with some more or less talented people
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Speaker 1: that I know are going to show up, that I
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Speaker 1: know will be there when I need them, because at
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Speaker 1: this point in time, you have no clue what this
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Speaker 1: guy's gonna do. I was thinking about drafts, and we
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Speaker 1: talk a lot right tanking in the NBA. This year
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Speaker 1: is a good example. Just the majority of the league,
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Speaker 1: it felt like, was taking it's this great draft. It's like, well,
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Speaker 1: aj Debonsa looks like an incredible player. The Peterson who
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Speaker 1: was like, I guess it looked like Kobe Bryant in
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Speaker 1: high school. I have never youtubed him, but by all accounts,
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Speaker 1: his high school film was better than what he looked
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Speaker 1: like at Kansas. Not like he wasn't terrible Kansas prett
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Speaker 1: damn good to me too when he wasn't getting cramps
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Speaker 1: from the CREA team. And Carlos Boozer's son looks incredible,
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Speaker 1: Like the class is really good. But I don't think
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Speaker 1: anyone's saying like there is a prospect in this draft,
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Speaker 1: like Anthony Davis, definitely like Lebron James, or back when
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Speaker 1: I was a kid, like Shaquille O'Neill. There is not
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Speaker 1: a no brainer. This guy is gonna be a ten
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Speaker 1: time All Star if he stays healthy. There's this could
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Speaker 1: be incredible, but there's still risk involved. It was just
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Speaker 1: like that in the NFL draft. I like Fernando Mendoza
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Speaker 1: a lot. I think he's to be a really good
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Speaker 1: player in the NFL, but there's no guarantee. I've seen
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Speaker 1: a lot of players like Fernando Mendoza. Some have turned
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Speaker 1: out to be really good. Jared Goff's a good example,
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan's a good example. But we've seen other guys
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Speaker 1: not come close to reaching their potential, having quote unquote
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Speaker 1: failed NFL careers. We see it all the time. And
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Speaker 1: for every Bryce Harper that's on the front page of
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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated that goes on to have a Hall of
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Speaker 1: Fame baseball career, there are guys drafted constantly in baseball
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Speaker 1: because you gotta go through the minors. The normal fans
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Speaker 1: will never get to hear of why because they never
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Speaker 1: make it there is currently a shortstop at UCLA. I
9:43
Speaker 1: have a good buddy who I just had a wedding
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Speaker 1: with him, like a month ago. He played college baseball,
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Speaker 1: got drafted and had a really good minor league career,
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Speaker 1: had some injuries, didn't quite make it. But then the organization,
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Speaker 1: which has one of the top gms, you know, the
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Speaker 1: in baseball, hires him to be one of his scouts.
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Speaker 1: And he's been scouting for a long time now. He's
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Speaker 1: basically my age, maybe a year younger. And he told
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Speaker 1: me that this shortstop at UCLA is the best prospect
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Speaker 1: he's ever seen. And he's been in the business now
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Speaker 1: for almost a decade. But that doesn't happen very often.
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Speaker 1: And when I think about a draft, it typically is
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Speaker 1: defined by the top guy. Like this NBA draft. I've
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Speaker 1: been hearing about it, I feel like for a year.
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Speaker 1: But like I watched a lot of those guys, I
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Speaker 1: watched the college basketball throughout the fall there, I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: stake my life on any of them, right, not saying
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Speaker 1: that some of them won't become All Stars all NBA guys,
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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't feel comfortab betting on it. Yet. A
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, when the Spurs got the number
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Speaker 1: one pick and they got Victor Webbin Yama, it was like,
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Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest prospects of all time.
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Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear once you see him that I
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Speaker 1: was like, well, I've never seen anything quite like this.
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Speaker 1: I'm old enough. Some of you guys that are younger
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Speaker 1: listening to this cannot fathom how unique Shaquille O'Neill was
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Speaker 1: in the early and mid nineties. He was seven feet
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Speaker 1: He could move in terms of like his footwork and
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Speaker 1: athleticism like a guard, and he was as strong as
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Speaker 1: like an NFL defensive lineman. He is one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest college prospects to ever come into the NBA, and
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Speaker 1: I'd argue in the history of sports, and obviously once
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Speaker 1: he hit his stride, he was an unstoppable force. But
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Speaker 1: if you have a draft with go back to when
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Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school. It was Lebron's
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Speaker 1: draft and still known as one of the greatest drafts
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Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA. Because Carmelo went number three,
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Speaker 1: Chris Bosh went number four, and Dwayne Wade went number five.
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Speaker 1: That's a pretty incredible top five. But if Lebron had
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Speaker 1: just been a random player that just played in the
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Speaker 1: NBA for a little bit and never lived up to
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Speaker 1: the number one overall hype, and those guys went after him.
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Speaker 1: We say called a really good draft, but the reason
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Speaker 1: it's historic is Lebron fucking James. Think about nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: three in the NFL. Eric Dickerson was the number two
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Speaker 1: overall pick. He's a Hall of Famer. Jim Kelly was
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Speaker 1: the fourteenth overall pick. Hall of famer, went to countless
12:27
Speaker 1: Super Bowls with the Buffalo Bills, and Dan Marino somehow
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Speaker 1: fell to twenty seven. I think there were some coke rumors,
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Speaker 1: which who knows they're true or not, which is pretty crazy.
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Speaker 1: It's almost like Lamar Jackson going thirty two. Not quite
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Speaker 1: sure how that happens looking back, but it's just a fact.
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Speaker 1: He went twenty seven. And that's known as one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest drafts of all time, mainly because John Elway
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Speaker 1: went number one. And if you're gonna tank or you're
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Speaker 1: gonna get the number one pick, there is an element
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Speaker 1: of like, is there just one of the greatest in
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Speaker 1: the history of the sport in this draft, or we
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Speaker 1: just flipping a coin like Josh Allen is an incredible pick.
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Speaker 1: At seven. Steph Curry was the seventh overall pick, and
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Speaker 1: maybe Brandon Bean has talked about this, But if I
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Speaker 1: had given him the number one overall pick that year
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Speaker 1: and he didn't need it, would he have taken him
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Speaker 1: at one? Or would he have taken someone else? The
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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors get a lot of credit for drafting
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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. I'll promise you this, if you gave that
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Speaker 1: organization that year the number one overall pick, they would
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Speaker 1: not have taken Steph Curry. But sometimes in the draft,
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Speaker 1: John Elway, Lebron James, Victor Webbin Yama, you know what
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Speaker 1: everyone's telling me, Arch Manning. The year Andrew luck was
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Speaker 1: coming out, there was no fucking debate, even Caleb Williams,
13:45
Speaker 1: who clearly is a freaked own. I mean his strength,
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Speaker 1: his athleticism, and his overall arm strength is pretty elite.
13:52
Speaker 1: I mean, his arm strength is definitely elite, and his
13:55
Speaker 1: strength and scramble ability is just high high end. There
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Speaker 1: was debate. I mean, there were credible people saying, I
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Speaker 1: think Jaden, I think Jane Daniels a better prospect. There
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Speaker 1: were the occasional guys like I think I might go
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Speaker 1: Drake May. There's never been a soul that argued in
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Speaker 1: a draft they would take anyone but Andrew Locke, anyone
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Speaker 1: but Lebron James. If Victor wen bin Yama's in the draft,
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Speaker 1: there would never be an argument. It would take Shaquille
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Speaker 1: O'Neill or Lebron James being in that same draft for
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Speaker 1: there to be an argument. So I'm watching the Spurs,
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Speaker 1: who look freaking incredible. They got Ron Harper's kid, they
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Speaker 1: got the Yukon guy Castle, and they got Victor wen
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Speaker 1: bin Yama. They look like some crazy version of like
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Speaker 1: the Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kevin Durant thunder from you know,
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Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. It's like, Jesus, what the hell is this?
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Speaker 1: But the reason they are that is because of the
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Speaker 1: one big guy who is an all time unicorn. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he barely has to jump to dunk, and historically guys
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Speaker 1: like that they don't have to jump to dunk, are
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Speaker 1: kind of I don't want to say circus clowns, but
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Speaker 1: they're not. There's been a few in my life like
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Speaker 1: minute Bowl types. They're not that. Clearly the most talented,
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Speaker 1: physically gifted guy in the league. Can shoot threes. I
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Speaker 1: mean has all the touch around. The defense is incredible.
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Speaker 1: Hurt a stat today when he is on the court,
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Speaker 1: the Spurs defense, the other team's offense is like the
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Speaker 1: version of the worst offense in the league. Now, the
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Speaker 1: reason that number isn't crazy because his throughout the season
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Speaker 1: he doesn't play that many minutes. Last night he played
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Speaker 1: like fifty because it went to double overtime. But I'm
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Speaker 1: just watching him and thinking about drafts, like ultimately this
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Speaker 1: year for the Cardinals and the Jets, if it had
15:45
Speaker 1: been a little flip flopped and somehow the Raiders hadn't
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Speaker 1: got the number one overall pick, but the Jets or
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Speaker 1: Cardinals had, they would have taken for Nando Mendoza. Fernando
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Speaker 1: Mendoza would have been the first pick in this draft,
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Speaker 1: no matter what, whether a team that would needed a
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Speaker 1: court was gonna draft him, or one of the teams
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Speaker 1: behind them traded up to a team like the Titans
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Speaker 1: or something that already had quote unquote their quarterback. But
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Speaker 1: if you put Fernando Mendouz in every draft like he's
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Speaker 1: not going one, and there's nothing wrong with that. You
16:14
Speaker 1: can only buy what's available. It's simple supply and demand.
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Speaker 1: But it does show you how transformative when you suck.
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Speaker 1: And this is why these teams tank for the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to just get a guy that's not even viewed as
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Speaker 1: good as Victor win miyam. Think about that, This entire
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Speaker 1: NBA ten plus teams started tanking to like November, for
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to draft a guy that maybe one day
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Speaker 1: will be an All Star, like maybe probably, but you
16:45
Speaker 1: never know. There's definitely no guarantee. And then they are
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Speaker 1: just the players, Like when Miles Garrett was the number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick, It's like, this guy is gonna be
16:52
Speaker 1: a dominant player. You know, von Miller would have been
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick in a non quarterback draft.
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Speaker 1: Anyone with the brain that watched football win. This guy's
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Speaker 1: going to be a Pro Bowl level player. Now, will
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Speaker 1: he ever reach the ceiling of being like an all
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Speaker 1: time great and be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 1: That's somewhat is up to the team, up to the individual.
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Speaker 1: But the talent is just immense, you know, and you
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Speaker 1: watch Victor weinbin Yam, I've been watching sports now for
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Speaker 1: thirty plus years. I've never seen anything quite like that.
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Speaker 1: I never have, and I hate watching the Thunder. I
17:28
Speaker 1: think they are How can I put this in a
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Speaker 1: complimentary way, They clearly are like an all They're on
17:35
Speaker 1: an all time great run of a season, and basically
17:39
Speaker 1: this second season. I think they're the least consumer friendly
17:46
Speaker 1: of any great team I've ever seen in any sport.
17:49
Speaker 1: I just hate watching them, but I respect them that
17:52
Speaker 1: they're an excellent defensive team, They're tough as shit, they're
17:54
Speaker 1: clearly well coached. I just don't like consuming them. And
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Speaker 1: if they were playing another random team instead of the Spurs,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I watched that game, but
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Speaker 1: I was like, I was blown away, And it just
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Speaker 1: shows you the power. And this is going to be
18:08
Speaker 1: talked about about this twenty twenty seven draft. As we
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Speaker 1: sit here right now, none of these quarterbacks come remotely
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Speaker 1: close to like this guy's that can't, can't miss, all
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Speaker 1: time great player. Now that could potentially change in the fall.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty rare that we don't know about that leading
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Speaker 1: into a season. Think about Kayleb Williams, think about Andrew Luck.
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Speaker 1: But every once in a while it happens. Cam Newton,
18:34
Speaker 1: I would say, somewhat came out of nowhere at Auburn
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Speaker 1: and changed the Carolina Panther franchise. Right Joe Burrow came
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere at LSU changed the Cincinnati Bengals franchise.
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Speaker 1: None of these guys potentially would be coming out of
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Speaker 1: nowhere because we're already talking about these names. But it
18:54
Speaker 1: just shows you the power. Like in nineteen eighty nine,
18:59
Speaker 1: there was a draft that had Barry Sanders go three,
19:03
Speaker 1: Derek Thomas go four, and Dion Sanders go five. I
19:08
Speaker 1: would say all three of those players are better than
19:13
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman. But if the Dallas Cowboys could do that
19:17
Speaker 1: draft again, they would still take Troy Aikman. Think about that.
19:23
Speaker 1: You have what I'd say, you could argue the greatest
19:26
Speaker 1: football player of all time in Barry Sanders, Derek Thomas
19:30
Speaker 1: one of the truly great edgereshers of all time, and
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Speaker 1: Dion for my money, the greatest defensive back corner that
19:38
Speaker 1: is ever. I guess we could argue defensive back because
19:40
Speaker 1: of safety. You know Ronnie Lotts at Reids, But you
19:43
Speaker 1: could make the argument that Dion Sanders the greatest defensive
19:45
Speaker 1: back of all time, in one of the great all
19:48
Speaker 1: time talents of all time. Yet the Cowboys wouldn't change
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Speaker 1: their pick almost forty plus years later. So it shows
19:58
Speaker 1: you about the power with the number one overall pick
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Speaker 1: when you get it right and it becomes a transformative player,
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23:01
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23:04
Speaker 1: Thursday Night football is Thursday Night football gets a little
23:07
Speaker 1: skewed because Thanksgiving has a bunch of games, but just
23:10
Speaker 1: a package every week that is coming in the next
23:14
Speaker 1: three to four whenever they, you know, determine this next
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Speaker 1: television deal, We're going to have an international game every
23:22
Speaker 1: single week. And the other thing that was kind of
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Speaker 1: being rumored about that get ready for Japan get ready
23:31
Speaker 1: for Italy. We saw Australia this year, We've seen Germany
23:35
Speaker 1: last year. In this upcoming year, I think they're going
23:37
Speaker 1: to France for the first time this year. Obviously they
23:41
Speaker 1: love you know, London and Wembley Stadium the NFL, and
23:48
Speaker 1: to me, this is going to be kind of the
23:51
Speaker 1: defining outro for RAG if we look back in twenty
23:56
Speaker 1: thirty years and go the international expansion took the NFL
24:01
Speaker 1: to another level. I think Roger Goodell will unequivocally be
24:06
Speaker 1: known as the greatest commissioner of all time if somehow
24:10
Speaker 1: the international footprint this thing ultimately fails and like I
24:15
Speaker 1: don't know if it would deteriorate the product, but just
24:19
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It'll just it'll be I would say black
24:23
Speaker 1: mark on his resume, I would say it's somewhat indifferent.
24:28
Speaker 1: Feels like I'm copping out on this one. But it's
24:32
Speaker 1: almost like TBD, you know, I don't love it. But
24:38
Speaker 1: they've also put a lot of bad games over there.
24:41
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of the early Thursday night
24:43
Speaker 1: football movement. Early Thursday night football was awful, and over
24:49
Speaker 1: the last couple of years the games have dramatically changed
24:54
Speaker 1: we now get ram Seattle on Thursday Night football that
24:58
Speaker 1: turned out to be for the division, one of the
25:01
Speaker 1: best games of the year. We get forty nine ers
25:04
Speaker 1: going into LA and playing in just one of the
25:06
Speaker 1: most thrilling games you'll see during the season. I mean,
25:09
Speaker 1: you could argue those two games. I'd have to really
25:12
Speaker 1: look back, like what the top five games of the
25:15
Speaker 1: regular season in twenty five, But I would say the
25:18
Speaker 1: Mac Jones game and the Sam Darnold and Matt Stafford
25:25
Speaker 1: game in Seattle is about and Puka Nakua going nuts,
25:29
Speaker 1: probably two of the top five games of the year.
25:32
Speaker 1: And you knew going into the season like that's a
25:34
Speaker 1: heck of a mashup and that they were even better
25:37
Speaker 1: than expected. So I would And this is the big
25:42
Speaker 1: question mark with Sunday Football, as they put a bunch
25:48
Speaker 1: of emphasis on Thursday Night. We know they put emphasis
25:51
Speaker 1: on Sunday and Monday night, and if they try to
25:55
Speaker 1: improve the Sunday morning game. And I'm not talking more
26:00
Speaker 1: for us at ten o'clock. I'm talking this package which
26:02
Speaker 1: the majority of these games are probably gonna kick off,
26:05
Speaker 1: you know, at six thirty Pacific Standard time for those
26:08
Speaker 1: of you guys on the east coast of the nine
26:11
Speaker 1: thirty kickoff time. What's gonna happen to like the ten
26:15
Speaker 1: am window? And I had a buddy tell me over
26:18
Speaker 1: the last six months, He's like, you know, what's no
26:22
Speaker 1: one really talks about. But it's just a fact is
26:27
Speaker 1: most of the year, like the ten am games kind
26:32
Speaker 1: of suck now because it's the NFL, and games turn
26:35
Speaker 1: out to be close, they're kind of entertaining, but none
26:40
Speaker 1: of those games are ones that Thursday night, Sunday night,
26:44
Speaker 1: and Monday night often would want. So once you get
26:48
Speaker 1: into a position where you're diluting the morning and afternoon windows,
26:53
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the early morning. I'm just talking
26:55
Speaker 1: about the morning again for you guys, early afternoon and
26:58
Speaker 1: then the afternoon, that product's gonna get shittier and shittier
27:03
Speaker 1: because they are emphasizing these other time slots, just something
27:06
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. You only have so many games.
27:10
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, and this is why I
27:13
Speaker 1: think the NFL pushes back on the double buys, is
27:17
Speaker 1: there just wouldn't be enough inventory to justify the costs, right,
27:23
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know how this is
27:26
Speaker 1: gonna play out, but it's definitely getting uh, it's definitely
27:30
Speaker 1: getting more just polarizing in terms of what they're doing,
27:39
Speaker 1: and they're definitely not slowing down anytime soon. Brendan soresby topic,
27:48
Speaker 1: it doesn't do that much for me. Like he comes
27:51
Speaker 1: out with the comments that he was trying to show
27:52
Speaker 1: loyalty to his team and bet on Indiana team that
27:55
Speaker 1: mainly sucked, and it's like, Bro, you're eighteen years old,
27:58
Speaker 1: you got some money in your pocket. You're an idiot, Like,
28:02
Speaker 1: so was I. So were most people. I knew. I
28:05
Speaker 1: might have done the same thing if I were you.
28:08
Speaker 1: I don't even care Suing the NCAA obviously, he's trying
28:12
Speaker 1: to expedite this. Did they either have to make a
28:16
Speaker 1: decision or grant him his eligibility back or make him ineligible,
28:20
Speaker 1: And then he goes to the h He goes to
28:23
Speaker 1: supplemental draft, which I would imagine if you have TCU
28:28
Speaker 1: or Cincinnati, the scouts for all the teams are doing
28:31
Speaker 1: a bunch of work or as much as they can
28:33
Speaker 1: at this point, probably a major pain in their ass,
28:37
Speaker 1: especially if he ends up winning this injunction and just
28:40
Speaker 1: stays at Texas Tech, which would be very profitable for him,
28:45
Speaker 1: given that he's owed six million dollars. So I think
28:48
Speaker 1: that's why he's getting very aggressive with this. But I
28:55
Speaker 1: just think this situation kind of puts into light all
28:59
Speaker 1: the different moves parts of college football, the explosion of
29:06
Speaker 1: the business. Now these guys are getting paid. I would
29:10
Speaker 1: imagine Brendan Soresby is not a loan actor. If you
29:14
Speaker 1: think he's the only guy. I can't even imagine five
29:18
Speaker 1: hundred grand, eight hundred grand, a million dollars in your
29:20
Speaker 1: pocket at eighteen nineteen years old, What are you doing
29:23
Speaker 1: with that money? The gambling is really easy. It's on
29:27
Speaker 1: your phone. A lot of these guys are gonna gamble.
29:30
Speaker 1: That's just in their personality, their competitors. Like it's surely happening.
29:36
Speaker 1: More and more, these conferences are just talking more and
29:40
Speaker 1: more about breaking away from the NCAA. I just think
29:44
Speaker 1: we're headed toward more and more chaos. I saw Ryan
29:48
Speaker 1: Day discussing the Big Ten championship and how canceling that
29:53
Speaker 1: game would even put more emphasis on the Michigan game.
29:56
Speaker 1: I've said forever, just turn the conference championship games into
30:01
Speaker 1: elimination games so they're no longer who wins the conference,
30:04
Speaker 1: you win the conference in the regular season, kind of
30:07
Speaker 1: like the NFL, like there's no division championship game. You
30:10
Speaker 1: either just win the division or you don't win the division.
30:13
Speaker 1: The conference championship game then dwarfs into well, Iowa is
30:18
Speaker 1: playing Nebraska because they were the fourth and fifth team
30:22
Speaker 1: in the conference, and the winner is into the playoffs.
30:25
Speaker 1: Like that, that would just be just as entertaining as
30:27
Speaker 1: these conference championship games. That more and more there's gonna
30:30
Speaker 1: be less on the line for the good teams. Because
30:34
Speaker 1: Ryan Day alluded to this, like what are we playing
30:36
Speaker 1: for seating? You know, it's like we're in Why should
30:40
Speaker 1: like I have nothing to gain here? Really? I mean
30:43
Speaker 1: last year's a good example Indiana that they both got
30:46
Speaker 1: home field buys, right, I mean, they really weren't playing
30:50
Speaker 1: for that much beside pride, right, And it was a
30:53
Speaker 1: fantastic game. And I've always said I appreciate that. I
30:56
Speaker 1: admire how hard both programs played. It was fucking badass,
31:01
Speaker 1: especially Ohio State, like Indiana was kind of playing for
31:04
Speaker 1: something bigger than itself, given how embarrassing the program had
31:08
Speaker 1: been given the team they were playing. But like what
31:11
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, Like what did they have a game right?
31:15
Speaker 1: And they tried. It was awesome. It was Tony Styles
31:19
Speaker 1: was incredible in that game. But I just think we're
31:22
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more changes and this the sores
31:25
Speaker 1: be your guests as good as mine. What happens. This
31:29
Speaker 1: is one of those stories that just does little to me.
31:32
Speaker 1: It really does. It's just like I just tell me
31:35
Speaker 1: when there's a resolution. This is kind of funny. Jackson
31:40
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigball won the Offensive Player of the Year
31:44
Speaker 1: and they sent him his trophy and it said Defensive
31:48
Speaker 1: Player of the Year and he was kind of up
31:49
Speaker 1: in arms. I don't know if he was being sarcastic
31:52
Speaker 1: or not. I think he was probably a little pissed.
31:54
Speaker 1: But I would imagine whoever was in charge and running
31:58
Speaker 1: point in the UH Trophy operation might have given that
32:02
Speaker 1: to the intern. Maybe that was AI would be a
32:05
Speaker 1: big win for humans, but pretty embarrassing. There's there's no
32:09
Speaker 1: way around it. I think I would keep it as
32:12
Speaker 1: like a Maybe i'd give it to somebody, maybe maybe
32:17
Speaker 1: an auction off. I don't know, but I definitely wouldn't
32:21
Speaker 1: give that back, and I'd make them send me a
32:22
Speaker 1: new one. Nashville is gonna get the super Bowl in
32:24
Speaker 1: twenty thirty. They're gaving the new stadium built. When I
32:28
Speaker 1: got married there a couple of years ago, I guess
32:30
Speaker 1: a year ago, a little over a year ago, you
32:32
Speaker 1: could see the beginning of the construction. And the only
32:38
Speaker 1: problem with this is it can be really cold in February.
32:44
Speaker 1: And part of the super Bowl, right is when you
32:46
Speaker 1: go to Miami, when you come to Scottsdale, when you
32:51
Speaker 1: go to Los Angeles, even last year in San Francisco,
32:55
Speaker 1: the weather New Orleans, the weather is awesome. So part
32:59
Speaker 1: of the reason they've gone to the same places so
33:02
Speaker 1: many times over and over and over is simply the weather.
33:08
Speaker 1: Like if the weather was great, they would love to
33:10
Speaker 1: do one in Chicago. They would love to go all
33:13
Speaker 1: the time to some of these places like New York City,
33:18
Speaker 1: but you can't because it's fucking frigid. And I think
33:22
Speaker 1: the NFL knows that they're getting into with this because Nashville,
33:27
Speaker 1: especially where everything would be downtown Broadway, is not a
33:31
Speaker 1: place where you can really hide. You know, you're kind
33:34
Speaker 1: of outside walking around. So I think you've got to
33:36
Speaker 1: keep your fingers crossed that it's not frigid temperatures at
33:39
Speaker 1: the time, because if it isn't and you get a
33:41
Speaker 1: nice week long of fifties and sixty degreeses, it'll feel
33:47
Speaker 1: like one of the great super Bowls of all time
33:49
Speaker 1: and it'll get a lot of positive feedback. If it's
33:52
Speaker 1: frigid temperatures, that will be a problem. But that's what
33:58
Speaker 1: happens when you You know, Minnesota was unique the year
34:01
Speaker 1: when they built their new stadium and they host the
34:03
Speaker 1: Super Bowl because the Eagles were in it. So I
34:05
Speaker 1: knew a bunch of people that attended that one. The
34:09
Speaker 1: Mall of America. They were inside the whole time. Even Indianapolis,
34:12
Speaker 1: you can stay inside. It's like when the Combine goes
34:15
Speaker 1: there every year. It doesn't matter if it's sixty degrees
34:17
Speaker 1: of the Combine or ten degrees. You don't really have
34:19
Speaker 1: to go outside. That's the key to a conference event.
34:24
Speaker 1: It's like, is it easy to get around if I'm
34:26
Speaker 1: there in the winter or the summer where it's a
34:28
Speaker 1: place that's really hot and I can stay inside controlled
34:32
Speaker 1: temperature environments, cause I if I have to go outside
34:36
Speaker 1: and this this speaks Arizona in the summer. You know,
34:40
Speaker 1: somewhere that's freezing cold in the winter, then that can
34:43
Speaker 1: be a pain in the ass. So I love Nashville,
34:47
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind. H I'm sure I'll be there that week.
34:50
Speaker 1: Just hope it's good weather. Kay, Let's there's a mail
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34:59
Speaker 1: Question for the why aren't MVPs weighed more heavily than
35:03
Speaker 1: super Bowl wins in the goat debate? To me, Manning's
35:09
Speaker 1: five MVPs with three different head coaches in just seventeen
35:14
Speaker 1: seasons is a stronger indicator of individual greatness than Tom
35:20
Speaker 1: Brady winning three MVPs over twenty two years. There's no
35:26
Speaker 1: question Brady is the most successful quarterback ever and he
35:30
Speaker 1: deserves a ton of credit for his longevity and performance,
35:33
Speaker 1: and the record books can't be debated. But super Bowl
35:37
Speaker 1: wins depend on a lot of variables coaching, roster, defense,
35:41
Speaker 1: organizational stability, etc. My point is, if you swap situations,
35:47
Speaker 1: I could see Manning winning multiple super Bowls, maybe even
35:50
Speaker 1: seven with Bill Belichick, Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski in the
35:53
Speaker 1: Pats organization. But I have a harder time seeing Brady
35:56
Speaker 1: win five MVPs in Indy. There's a lot here with
35:59
Speaker 1: this question. I actually wouldn't have loved Peyton Manning the
36:03
Speaker 1: majority of his career outdoors. I think he benefited a
36:06
Speaker 1: lot from playing in the Dome and by the time
36:09
Speaker 1: he had kind of mastered the sport when he went
36:13
Speaker 1: to Denver. But Boston is way colder than Denver. It
36:17
Speaker 1: is consistently colder in November and December. It's just a
36:22
Speaker 1: different animal weatherwise. Obviously, Denver can get cold right the
36:27
Speaker 1: AFC Championship game, and you can get bad weather games,
36:30
Speaker 1: but I do not view the two as the same.
36:33
Speaker 1: When I think back in Brady's career, he is the
36:37
Speaker 1: greatest cold weather quarterback that I've ever seen and probably
36:40
Speaker 1: will ever see. Mahomes has been a fucking badass in
36:44
Speaker 1: weather games too. I do not view Peyton Manning and listen.
36:48
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just a gut feel, and if we
36:51
Speaker 1: truly did the research, I would be wrong. As a
36:54
Speaker 1: guy with all the chips on the line in a
36:56
Speaker 1: weather game, he would be the guy I would trust.
36:59
Speaker 1: So over the course of twenty years with the Patriots,
37:02
Speaker 1: I think that could be a little different now. I
37:06
Speaker 1: would agree if you would have put him on Indy
37:08
Speaker 1: with like Jim Morris Senior and then Tony Dungee. Maybe
37:12
Speaker 1: tom Brady's career does not go the way it does.
37:14
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's even said, you know, the Patriots, being a
37:17
Speaker 1: six round pick and starting fourth on the depth chart,
37:21
Speaker 1: his whole life was changed. Bill Belichick and the quarterback
37:23
Speaker 1: coach who ended up passing away. I think in like
37:27
Speaker 1: his second year, maybe maybe it was his first off.
37:29
Speaker 1: I forget the exact timing of it, but obviously Josh M.
37:32
Speaker 1: Channels was There a lot of different variables. But I
37:37
Speaker 1: think you can say the same thing for Joe Montana
37:39
Speaker 1: right if you put Joe Montana on other teams, would
37:42
Speaker 1: he has been as good? Probably not. He was in
37:45
Speaker 1: a perfect spot with the coach and Bill Walsh that
37:48
Speaker 1: valued movement, timing and accuracy. They had an elite defense
37:54
Speaker 1: on a lot of those teams, they had elite coaching.
37:57
Speaker 1: But that's you know, Phil Jackson won how many rings right?
38:02
Speaker 1: Six with the Bulls eleven, twelve eleven with he won three?
38:08
Speaker 1: He won two more so eleven. You don't think he
38:11
Speaker 1: benefited from being around MJ. Kobe and Chack. I mean,
38:15
Speaker 1: ask Steve Kerr what is like to play with Michael
38:18
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and coach Steph Curry, like we all I'm
38:23
Speaker 1: do you think I am more successful because I got
38:27
Speaker 1: to be in business with Colin Coward than other podcasters
38:29
Speaker 1: that do? Not? Sure? I mean that's kind of the
38:33
Speaker 1: way life works. So I think the hard part with football,
38:40
Speaker 1: like in basketball, you're all playing in the same environment.
38:44
Speaker 1: Every basketball arena, while the size of it could change,
38:48
Speaker 1: some could be eighteen thousand, some could be twenty four thousand.
38:51
Speaker 1: The courts and the temperature it never changes, right, it
38:56
Speaker 1: never were In baseball, some pitchers pitch in hitter friendly parks.
39:01
Speaker 1: Some pitchers pitch in parks that are more pitcher friendly.
39:05
Speaker 1: Right like forever the coliseum where the A's played had
39:12
Speaker 1: a huge, huge foul ball foul area, So like a
39:16
Speaker 1: lot of random pop ups at other places which would
39:19
Speaker 1: go into the stands the first and third baseman could catch.
39:23
Speaker 1: The San Franco Giants played in the place where they
39:25
Speaker 1: play at night, it's fucking cold. It's like fifty degrees
39:29
Speaker 1: every single night. Where if you're playing at Yankee Stadium,
39:32
Speaker 1: the ball flies. So there are always different variables. I
39:38
Speaker 1: we just argue about this right, who's the best? Who's
39:41
Speaker 1: not the best? Bottom line? Like, they're two of the
39:43
Speaker 1: greatest players of all time. There's not actually a list.
39:49
Speaker 1: They're both Suit Bowl champions, they're both most Valuable players,
39:52
Speaker 1: they're both Hall of Famers. It's like the thing with
39:55
Speaker 1: Michael and Lebron. They all got rings, they're all fucking
40:00
Speaker 1: got a bunch of records, they're all going to the
40:02
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, they're all super rich. Like there is
40:05
Speaker 1: no actual list. Well, have you ever seen the official
40:08
Speaker 1: top ten list doesn't exist, So it's just it's fun
40:12
Speaker 1: to argue about. But based on what I saw, I
40:15
Speaker 1: would have Tom above Peyton, But I would also have
40:17
Speaker 1: Peyton really freaking high, right, I would have Peyton right
40:20
Speaker 1: there with Elway and Montana was wondering why you and
40:24
Speaker 1: everyone else give Stafford a max two years left? Considering
40:28
Speaker 1: a style of play, I just don't see him falling
40:30
Speaker 1: off a cliff that quickly. Maybe not as obsessed with Brady,
40:34
Speaker 1: But if Brady was able to perform forty five, why
40:36
Speaker 1: can't Stafford play another five years? It's a good question.
40:39
Speaker 1: I mean, if he he can keep playing as long
40:42
Speaker 1: as he wants to play. I mean, if he's gonna
40:44
Speaker 1: play like he just played. Yeah, he could just keep going.
40:48
Speaker 1: I just assume because he has acted like this. He
40:54
Speaker 1: is the one that's kind of had these weird off
40:56
Speaker 1: seasons where it's like he's kind of on the fence.
40:59
Speaker 1: He's kind of thinking like it feels like he's taking
41:02
Speaker 1: it year to year. Tom didn't take it year to
41:05
Speaker 1: year until he was forty four and then quit and
41:08
Speaker 1: then got a divorced when she went with jiu jitsu
41:10
Speaker 1: and he came back and he kind of regretted it.
41:12
Speaker 1: But like Tom never claimed he was leaving, Stafford's like
41:16
Speaker 1: kind of always on the fence. Now, if he keeps
41:18
Speaker 1: playing like that, I'm with you. Why would you go away?
41:22
Speaker 1: I mean he was, He's This has got to be
41:25
Speaker 1: the shitty part about playing quarterback. I bet Rogers feels
41:29
Speaker 1: like this. His understanding of the quarterback position right now,
41:33
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers has never been better. His knowledge of
41:37
Speaker 1: the defense of game plans, like he's mastered the position.
41:42
Speaker 1: I thought he mastered it like twenty one, twenty two.
41:45
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn, this guy's this guy truly the
41:48
Speaker 1: year they lost to Tampa, I thought for sure they
41:50
Speaker 1: were winning the Super Bowl because I thought Rogers was
41:54
Speaker 1: the best version of himself. Wasn't the youngest version, probably
41:58
Speaker 1: wasn't the most explosive, but it mastered the position, kind
42:02
Speaker 1: of like Peyton Manning and Denver or like Tom Brady
42:05
Speaker 1: the latter half of the twenty tens and then in
42:08
Speaker 1: the first year in Tampa, like they just their knowledge
42:11
Speaker 1: is undeniable and that's a huge part of playing quarterback.
42:15
Speaker 1: But at this point in time, physically, you know, Rogers
42:19
Speaker 1: isn't quite the same or Stafford definitely isn't as athletic
42:23
Speaker 1: as he used to be, but he can get rid
42:25
Speaker 1: of the ball like Peyton Manning could. So Philip Rivers
42:30
Speaker 1: look at Rivers he had played for years, showed back up,
42:34
Speaker 1: totally understood it. But physically he can't. His skills have
42:39
Speaker 1: never been that elite, like can't move and his arms
42:41
Speaker 1: kind of average, but his brain is like Einstein level.
42:46
Speaker 1: So to me, it's just a balance of like could
42:48
Speaker 1: your body take it? Last year he had the back injury.
42:51
Speaker 1: He's had injuries before, so just was have to I
42:56
Speaker 1: don't know monitor who knows. My question is about draft coverage.
43:03
Speaker 1: I don't fall college ball, So when it comes to
43:05
Speaker 1: the draft, I learned about it from podcasts. I probably
43:08
Speaker 1: heard over thirty monks and none of them had Delaine
43:13
Speaker 1: going to the Chiefs. I hardly heard his name, No
43:16
Speaker 1: one had him in the top ten. Then after the draft,
43:19
Speaker 1: multiple shows are saying he was the best dB in
43:22
Speaker 1: the draft. My question, how are narratives formed about players
43:28
Speaker 1: leading into the draft? Why do you think the best
43:30
Speaker 1: dB in the draft wasn't talked about more. I know
43:33
Speaker 1: the Chiefs initiated ghost protocol in the way they didn't
43:37
Speaker 1: bring him into everything. But if he's the number one
43:39
Speaker 1: dB in the draft, it's not far reach to say
43:42
Speaker 1: the Chiefs a dB and needy team should take them.
43:45
Speaker 1: Make it make sense. It's a great question. Obviously, when
43:54
Speaker 1: it comes to a quarterback or a wide receiver, there's
43:56
Speaker 1: like no disputing, right we were talking about Fernanda Mendoza.
44:00
Speaker 1: Ty Simpson was a polarizing guy. Would he go in
44:02
Speaker 1: the first round when he's not going the first round?
44:04
Speaker 1: We talked a ton about the wide receivers. I think
44:08
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a player or two who go
44:11
Speaker 1: a little under the radar. LSU had a disastrous season,
44:15
Speaker 1: but their defense has been good now for two years
44:19
Speaker 1: and delaying was a transfer I think from Virginia Tech.
44:23
Speaker 1: NC State could be screwing that up, but one of
44:25
Speaker 1: those two teams, so it's not like he had been
44:28
Speaker 1: a multiple year All American on the premium program where
44:33
Speaker 1: the guy everyone was talking about was McCoy. Even going
44:36
Speaker 1: into the draft, they were like, McCoy first round pick.
44:39
Speaker 1: Turns out his knee is awful, and the Raiders took
44:42
Speaker 1: him in the fourth round. Yet all we'd heard about
44:45
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, this guy. You know who? Doesn't
44:47
Speaker 1: care about that the teams. The teams often let you
44:52
Speaker 1: run with narratives because they don't care. They only care
44:57
Speaker 1: about what they can control is get the guy they
45:01
Speaker 1: want and let all this craziness on the outside. None
45:04
Speaker 1: of the talk actually impacts any team worth their salt
45:10
Speaker 1: think about. Most people in the league and outside the
45:13
Speaker 1: league think that what the Rams did is pretty crazy.
45:17
Speaker 1: Do you know who doesn't really look phased by that?
45:19
Speaker 1: The Rams? There was no talk. It does not behoove
45:24
Speaker 1: you as a team to discuss who you like. McCarthy
45:29
Speaker 1: and his crew were clearly telling the Dallas Cowboys that
45:33
Speaker 1: we really like McKay lemon. That is awful business. The
45:37
Speaker 1: whole point of your job during the draft process is
45:43
Speaker 1: to keep who you love. It doesn't matter as much
45:45
Speaker 1: in later rounds. It's so random, right, you can't control
45:49
Speaker 1: once you get into like the third, fourth round. But
45:51
Speaker 1: even then, like if you love a guy and you
45:53
Speaker 1: know he might be there on the third or fourth round, like,
45:55
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be telling other people that, why because they
45:59
Speaker 1: whether it's a scouting buddy, they'll tell their GM why
46:01
Speaker 1: because they want to look good. Or two, if you
46:04
Speaker 1: the GM, you're talking to the GM, he'll use that
46:06
Speaker 1: as information because he might like the guy. So I
46:11
Speaker 1: think part of it is when people just see McCoy, McCoy, McCoy,
46:15
Speaker 1: what do you think the teams are thinking, like, guys,
46:18
Speaker 1: we wouldn't draft this guy for till the third day
46:21
Speaker 1: of the draft, and Mel Kiper's up there pounding the table.
46:25
Speaker 1: It's like and I like Mel. But sometimes the information
46:29
Speaker 1: transparency does not make it out and for a specific
46:34
Speaker 1: purpose because they don't want the public to know, and
46:38
Speaker 1: then they will be okay talking about it after. Did
46:41
Speaker 1: I think delaying a little bit coming into the season.
46:47
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask specifically, But I don't think he
46:50
Speaker 1: was projected as a top ten pick or top you know,
46:52
Speaker 1: first rounder. You know Notre Dame has a corner that's
46:56
Speaker 1: going to be in this draft. He is widely considered
46:59
Speaker 1: a top five six pick in next year's draft, Like
47:03
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear about his name constantly during the season.
47:07
Speaker 1: You know, Texas has a pass rusher, Texas LSU has
47:10
Speaker 1: the Colorado left tackle transfer that they're gonna be non quarterback.
47:14
Speaker 1: They're gonna be a ton of position players not named
47:17
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith that you're gonna hear about. There are gonna
47:19
Speaker 1: be other players that you don't hear about as much.
47:21
Speaker 1: They go they get drafted pretty high. So I think
47:26
Speaker 1: it's just the nature of the business is good. Teams
47:31
Speaker 1: don't talk because why would I talk and tell you
47:35
Speaker 1: what I want you to do? Right If me, you
47:38
Speaker 1: and three other people are in construction and we're all
47:42
Speaker 1: bidding on a job, well, I don't want you to
47:45
Speaker 1: know when I'm bidding. You don't want me to know
47:47
Speaker 1: what you're we're all trying to bid for the job.
47:50
Speaker 1: So the chiefs have to know that other people like
47:54
Speaker 1: the dB, but no one wants to let it be
47:57
Speaker 1: known because they almost feel like he's under the radar prospect.
48:00
Speaker 1: He went to the combine, he ran really fast. Yeah,
48:05
Speaker 1: I think we were so caught up talking about Tys
48:07
Speaker 1: Simpson that no one even mentioned the guy. Because I'm
48:09
Speaker 1: with you, idn't hear he's saying that much either Aaron Rodgers.
48:13
Speaker 1: If Aaron Rodgers went of the Texans, I think they
48:15
Speaker 1: can win the Super Bowl. The Texans right now seem
48:17
Speaker 1: a lot like the Broncos right when they got Peyton Manning,
48:20
Speaker 1: best defense in the league, got a lot of pieces.
48:23
Speaker 1: It just seems to me like CJ. Stroud is our
48:26
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow. He is always trying to be a hero,
48:29
Speaker 1: turning the ball over a lot and in the process,
48:31
Speaker 1: instead of being a game manager. From what I've heard,
48:35
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is playing for cheap. If I was the
48:37
Speaker 1: Texans GM, I would be aggressively trying to acquire Aaron
48:40
Speaker 1: and win the Super Bowl. Well, he signed this. This
48:45
Speaker 1: is a make or break year for the guy. He's
48:47
Speaker 1: bet he CJ is a much better player than the
48:50
Speaker 1: NFL versus of Tim Tebow. But I hear you. I mean,
48:53
Speaker 1: I would say there's not many quarterbacks that have more
48:56
Speaker 1: pressure coming into the season than CJ. Stroud. He has
48:59
Speaker 1: a team built to win the Super Bowl. I think
49:03
Speaker 1: a lot of people would argue they have the best
49:05
Speaker 1: roster in the NFL. If he just plays like his
49:08
Speaker 1: version of Alex Smith Ryan Tannehill, they could be the
49:13
Speaker 1: number one overall seed. Think about that, they could be.
49:16
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill was a quarterback for the number one overall seed.
49:20
Speaker 1: Alex Smith went the playoffs like five of six years. Now,
49:24
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, you gotta kind of step it up.
49:26
Speaker 1: And CJ does have the talent, but on that individual team,
49:30
Speaker 1: you just do not turn it over. And yeah, I mean,
49:33
Speaker 1: I I don't know what else say. Besides, there's a
49:38
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on You've talked a lot about the
49:41
Speaker 1: reason that there's not as much tanking in the NFL
49:44
Speaker 1: as other sports and attributed this to the football being
49:49
Speaker 1: the ultimate team sport. You've also mentioned the draft process
49:52
Speaker 1: can be volatile and teams may have no clue if
49:55
Speaker 1: the players they draft will be end up getting a
49:58
Speaker 1: second or third contract. You think that there is also
50:00
Speaker 1: a correlation between these two ideas. Tanking a team season
50:05
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a better pick can still be
50:08
Speaker 1: considered too risky because there is no guarantee that the
50:11
Speaker 1: player they draft will make a substantial impact on the team,
50:15
Speaker 1: the same way a single player could impact a baseball
50:20
Speaker 1: or basketball team. Curious to hear your thoughts. What are
50:24
Speaker 1: the odds you can get a big domb interview? Trust me,
50:27
Speaker 1: I've asked, I've get I get denied, not by Dom
50:30
Speaker 1: but Howie and and Bob laying their pr Guy's just
50:33
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a no go. But I've inquired
50:37
Speaker 1: many times. I always have the combine as well, we'd
50:41
Speaker 1: have a good one. Uh, you'd probably get in trouble.
50:45
Speaker 1: But I I just think it's very hard for coaches
50:51
Speaker 1: and players to mail in a game. Now, you could
50:55
Speaker 1: have a bad week of practice, guys could be less focused,
50:58
Speaker 1: but over the course, like if you do, then the
51:02
Speaker 1: nature of coaches is to get on your ass and
51:04
Speaker 1: the practice is usually better than next week. Or hell,
51:07
Speaker 1: if you have a bad practice on a Monday or
51:09
Speaker 1: a Wednesday, typically anyone that played high school football knows
51:14
Speaker 1: the next day it's pretty intense, right Or if you're
51:17
Speaker 1: having a shitty practice, how many times again high school football,
51:21
Speaker 1: off seat, in college football, off seat in pro football.
51:24
Speaker 1: We're starting this motherfucker over worst. I remember one time
51:29
Speaker 1: at Fresno State. I'm pretty sure the team was like
51:35
Speaker 1: in shorts and basically like the soft pads on their shoulders,
51:39
Speaker 1: so there's no hitting, just helmets. It's not a walkthrough,
51:42
Speaker 1: but it's not a padded practice. It was so shitty.
51:47
Speaker 1: The coach Hill lost his shit, sent everyone in to
51:52
Speaker 1: the locker room full pads. We went. Then we scrimmaged.
51:57
Speaker 1: There were scouts at that practice that said, it's one
52:00
Speaker 1: of the most wild thing, the craziest thing they've ever seen.
52:04
Speaker 1: People are getting injured in the scrimmage. It was just
52:07
Speaker 1: like it's on, like Donkey, I was like, holy shit.
52:11
Speaker 1: I remember thinking this is crazy. I remember Lanier Miller
52:13
Speaker 1: running back he played for the Cowboys. I'm pretty sure
52:16
Speaker 1: he got hurt in the scrimmage. But like that happens, right.
52:20
Speaker 1: I'm sure Belichick has done it. I'm sure high school
52:23
Speaker 1: coaches have done it. Saban's done it. That's where it's
52:27
Speaker 1: hard to just mail it in. It's just a loser
52:31
Speaker 1: mentality that's not really tolerated in the culture of football.
52:35
Speaker 1: Were in basketball. I heard the GM of the Wizards
52:40
Speaker 1: on with Rossillo talking about like the culture they had built.
52:44
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, what the fuck. Now it might change
52:48
Speaker 1: now that you got the number one overall pick, but
52:51
Speaker 1: you gave eighty five points Bam Annebayo or eighty one
52:55
Speaker 1: points or however many points he scored. The guy average
52:58
Speaker 1: is like nineteen points in his career. You guys were
53:01
Speaker 1: one of the biggest disgraces in the history of professional sports,
53:06
Speaker 1: and you tried to be like, just embrace it. Let's
53:10
Speaker 1: not pretend we're being anything other than what we are.
53:13
Speaker 1: And in football, like one of the embarrassing parts about
53:16
Speaker 1: having the number one overall pick or number two overall pick,
53:20
Speaker 1: it's like jetson Raider fans will tell you, like that
53:23
Speaker 1: sucked because we tried. You know, we tried and we
53:26
Speaker 1: still sucked. And I think that's the thing with football.
53:29
Speaker 1: It's like Clemson went seven and six, like they desperately
53:35
Speaker 1: tried to go eleven and one. I mean, they did
53:37
Speaker 1: everything humanly and they still sucked. Were in basketball or baseball,
53:42
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, they were trying to lose. Like
53:46
Speaker 1: no one makes fun of the Jazz's record in the
53:49
Speaker 1: sense that like, yeah, they just crazy how much they
53:51
Speaker 1: Suck's like, yeah, we know they sucked because they actively tried.
54:08
Speaker 1: Have you seen The latest Ravens Wired episode on YouTube
54:12
Speaker 1: seems to really emphasize the Scouts. Was that similar to
54:16
Speaker 1: your time with the Eagles? Seemed like the Ravens would
54:18
Speaker 1: be a badass team to work for. I would say
54:22
Speaker 1: the Ravens Seattle Green Bay, like the Scouts in that
54:33
Speaker 1: building feel a huge part of their operation, like the group,
54:38
Speaker 1: the collective. And this goes back to Ozzie and you
54:42
Speaker 1: know DaCosta can be be a little cold, but they
54:46
Speaker 1: do a really, really good job. And if you work
54:49
Speaker 1: for the Ravens as a Scout, right change the course
54:54
Speaker 1: of your career. If you've worked for the Chiefs over
54:57
Speaker 1: the course of Andy Reid or the Eagles back with
55:00
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, look at that right, think about before I
55:05
Speaker 1: got to the Eagles. John Spytek was there, Jason Light
55:08
Speaker 1: was there, Tom Heckert was there. Howie Roseman was there,
55:12
Speaker 1: stayed there, Ryan Grigson was there. You know, Lewis Riddick
55:16
Speaker 1: who's on TV, was there. You know Veach was there. Bradway,
55:21
Speaker 1: who is now Veach's number two, was there. Like it's
55:25
Speaker 1: an incredible the Patriots forever. It was like Adam Peters
55:28
Speaker 1: Thomas to metrof John Robinson. It was just a place
55:33
Speaker 1: where guys took off, you know, Ziegler, the Quinn guy,
55:36
Speaker 1: where guys took off to get GM jobs. And the
55:40
Speaker 1: Ravens have been like the Packers have been like that,
55:42
Speaker 1: and Seattle's been like that because they know you know
55:46
Speaker 1: what you're doing. You think a J Brown is a
55:48
Speaker 1: lock to go to the Patriots? Fuck your guests as
55:52
Speaker 1: good as mine. I stopped paying attention to that story.
55:56
Speaker 1: Wake me up when a trade happens, and I understand
55:59
Speaker 1: why this long. There's like cap implications. June first, I
56:03
Speaker 1: saw something on Instagram could have been a fan account
56:07
Speaker 1: that said the Niners are involved. Listen, it's a competitive league.
56:12
Speaker 1: I would never feel confident that it's a lock, but
56:16
Speaker 1: I guess it feels that way. Do you think there
56:18
Speaker 1: will ever be a Canadian football team NFL team? Uh
56:24
Speaker 1: my gut says no, I don't. I don't think the
56:27
Speaker 1: NFL is ever going to expand because part of if
56:31
Speaker 1: their revenue keeps growing dramatically, why would any of these
56:35
Speaker 1: owners want to split revenue? You know, Bill Simmons has
56:38
Speaker 1: talked about with the NBA. It's like Adam Silie is like,
56:41
Speaker 1: we're going to expand and all the owners like, no,
56:43
Speaker 1: we're not. We don't want to split our revenue with
56:46
Speaker 1: other owners. We're getting one thirtieth. We don't want to
56:50
Speaker 1: get one thirty. Second, it's like, well, you get the
56:53
Speaker 1: initial windfall from the team purchase, Well, great, I want
56:57
Speaker 1: my consistent media money at the course of this deal,
57:00
Speaker 1: at the number in which I'm allotted now, And I
57:03
Speaker 1: think the NFL is the same way. So I I
57:07
Speaker 1: just could be wrong. Again, I'm not. I don't know, Roger,
57:11
Speaker 1: it does not feel like there is much push for
57:14
Speaker 1: NFL expansion. With where college football and men's basketball is headed.
57:20
Speaker 1: Do you see a future where these two entities would
57:23
Speaker 1: break off from the NC double A? Could be a
57:26
Speaker 1: simple answer of legality, says no, but hard to see
57:30
Speaker 1: them continue under the umbrella. I would agree. It feels
57:35
Speaker 1: like we're headed toward a breakup with more and more
57:40
Speaker 1: the academic side kind of feels separated from the sports.
57:46
Speaker 1: Uh the money they're generating to deal with the NC
57:49
Speaker 1: DOUBLEA and deal with the academic requirements. Do we just
57:53
Speaker 1: see the Alabama football team but none of the guys
57:56
Speaker 1: actually go to the program. I would say that feels
58:01
Speaker 1: like a possibility. Yes, I wouldn't bet my life on it,
58:06
Speaker 1: but it feels like we've been navigating that direction for
58:10
Speaker 1: a while. How about a Monday night football game last
58:16
Speaker 1: week of the season with the two teams out of
58:17
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Could be big for draft position or just
58:20
Speaker 1: extra football. You know, I'm I've been adamant. There's no
58:26
Speaker 1: tanking once you're in the position where the season's kind
58:30
Speaker 1: of over, trying to do a marquee game. I don't
58:35
Speaker 1: think that works. I don't And a lot of times
58:38
Speaker 1: the bad teams, their coaches get fired, they're already kind
58:42
Speaker 1: of dead men walking. I hear what you're saying, but
58:48
Speaker 1: I don't think it really, I don't think it works.
58:52
Speaker 1: Why do players take less money from different teams in
58:55
Speaker 1: free agency? Juwan Jennings wanted a payday from SF but
58:59
Speaker 1: took a contract with the Vikings for up to thirteen million.
59:03
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he sign the same contract in San Francisco
59:07
Speaker 1: because the forty nine Ers would no longer offer him
59:09
Speaker 1: that contract. The forty nine Ers were out of the
59:12
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings business when the season ended, and Juwan then thought,
59:17
Speaker 1: which I don't totally blame him, that his value was
59:21
Speaker 1: a lot higher than it turned out to be. And
59:24
Speaker 1: I think, and I've mentioned this before, that there are
59:28
Speaker 1: certain players like Juwan. Jennings is a good player. He's
59:31
Speaker 1: a winning player, and when he's having success on a
59:35
Speaker 1: team that's having success, how could you not if you
59:38
Speaker 1: were in his shoes, think you were worth more than
59:41
Speaker 1: you're getting. But the rest of the league, once you're
59:44
Speaker 1: put to the market, doesn't value a lot of the
59:48
Speaker 1: things that a guy like him brings the table. He's
59:51
Speaker 1: not very fast, he does not separate very well. He
59:56
Speaker 1: like one of the things he hangs his hat on
59:58
Speaker 1: is blocking. A lot of coaches do not give a
1:00:01
Speaker 1: shit about that. They truly don't, even though it matters,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: but they don't pay for it. I'm not gonna pay
1:00:09
Speaker 1: a guy to be a blocking wide receiver. It's a huge, huge,
1:00:14
Speaker 1: like addition he brought to the table with the forty
1:00:16
Speaker 1: nine ers, and it's why they drafted Scribbling because he
1:00:21
Speaker 1: can block. He's tall, but he's faster than Jawan, so
1:00:24
Speaker 1: they hope they're getting a better version of that. Like
1:00:28
Speaker 1: that value in the open market just isn't that high.
1:00:32
Speaker 1: So the forty nine ers just were out of the
1:00:36
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings business and we'll find out if they're right.
1:00:38
Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe the Viking has got a hell
1:00:41
Speaker 1: of a deal for I haven't seen the details on
1:00:45
Speaker 1: the contract. My guess would be like six seven million
1:00:47
Speaker 1: guaranteed and double it incentives something like that, maybe eight
1:00:51
Speaker 1: nine million guaranteed. Not very much for a guy, I
1:00:55
Speaker 1: mean technically, just he made more money last year where
1:00:59
Speaker 1: a lot of the season he was the number one
1:01:00
Speaker 1: wide receiver on a team that win twelve to five.
1:01:03
Speaker 1: You know, so again he's not a number one wide receiver.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: He's a number three wide receiver. But still like he's proven,
1:01:09
Speaker 1: like he can be a winning player, but his skill
1:01:12
Speaker 1: set is just not that valuable. Some of you might
1:01:17
Speaker 1: live in a home and you're like, this home is
1:01:19
Speaker 1: fucking perfect from me and my family. Yet if you
1:01:22
Speaker 1: tried to sell your home, maybe it wouldn't have that
1:01:24
Speaker 1: much value relative to the way you value it, or
1:01:29
Speaker 1: a car or whatever. And that's kind of sometimes happens
1:01:33
Speaker 1: with players. There are certain players like if if Max
1:01:37
Speaker 1: Crosby had been a free agent, someone would give him
1:01:40
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars. If you know, top players are
1:01:45
Speaker 1: free agents, they're gonna get a ton of money, but
1:01:48
Speaker 1: most players are more like Juwan Jennings, like, how good
1:01:51
Speaker 1: is this guy? What's he worth? Would every team take
1:01:55
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennings if he was free, but whatevertine take Juwan
1:02:00
Speaker 1: Jennings if he wants ten million dollars. The answer is
1:02:03
Speaker 1: clearly now Audielles, have a great day. Talk to you soon.
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