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Wired To Hunt Podcast #145: Chasing Big Midwest Whitetails with Clinton Fawcett and Frank Clark · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one
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  Speaker 1: TANNI show. I'm joined by Illinois bohunters Frank Clark and
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  Speaker 1: Clinton Fawcett to talk mature buck hunting strategies and big
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  Speaker 1: Illinois white tails. All right, welcome to the Wire to
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by SI Gear. And today
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  Speaker 1: in the show, we're joined by two serious big buck hunters,
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  Speaker 1: Frank Clark and Clinton Fawcett. And these guys hunting only
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  Speaker 1: together for bow Hunting dot COM's bow Hunt or Die
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  Speaker 1: web show and consistently put down mature white tails and
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  Speaker 1: terriffic footage. I've been a big fan of their work
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  Speaker 1: and I've actually gotten know them over the years and
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  Speaker 1: they're just great guys. So today I wanted to have
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  Speaker 1: them on the show to discuss exactly how they approached
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  Speaker 1: their white tail seasons, how they have so much success,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to try to pry a couple of
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  Speaker 1: good stories out of the two as well. So that's
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  Speaker 1: the plan today and since scheduling issues prevented my trustee
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  Speaker 1: co host Dan from joining me. We're going to move
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  Speaker 1: things right along. That said, before we bring Clinton and
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  Speaker 1: Frank on with us, we've got another great sick of
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  Speaker 1: story to share with you today from Stephen capra Letty,
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  Speaker 1: who last week shared one of his best white tail stories,
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  Speaker 1: and today with spring Gobbler's on many of our minds.
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  Speaker 1: He's back with a turkey hunting tail. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: by the time we cut to the top of the mountain,
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  Speaker 1: it actually started raining. Um. So we're to the point
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  Speaker 1: where we just climbed up to the top, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: getting sweaty. Now we're getting rained on them. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: I just remember looking over at Matt and just smiling
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  Speaker 1: and just laughing, like, you know, what are we doing
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  Speaker 1: out here? And a break in the storm happened to
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  Speaker 1: come through. I don't know what. We hit a pocket
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  Speaker 1: where the ranges stopped for just a moment, and boom,
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  Speaker 1: we heard this bird go off in the distance. And
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  Speaker 1: he was actually not too far away down the log
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  Speaker 1: he wrote from us. So I was like, hey, let's
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  Speaker 1: let's make a move on the spur. Let's see what happens. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if it keeps raining like it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if we can't you know, get close to him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll probably call today. But the spurd just keeps hammering, hammering,
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  Speaker 1: and I start getting on the call and I'm throwing
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  Speaker 1: him everything I got with the box called mouth call
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  Speaker 1: you nme and uh. I set up a little bit
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  Speaker 1: behind Matt. I was actually trying to get him the bird,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted him to get his first big spring
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  Speaker 1: gobbler and the birds coming in. He's coming in. M
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately for Matt, he actually dropped down towards me closer
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  Speaker 1: and I ended up taking the thirty five yard shot
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  Speaker 1: on him and dropping him so boom. Right away, our
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  Speaker 1: morning went from miserable. You know, we're ready to call
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  Speaker 1: it quits too. Hey, we have a public land spring
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  Speaker 1: spring gobbler on the ground, so we're as excited as
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  Speaker 1: can be. You know, we're tagging the bird. We're just
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  Speaker 1: reminiscing on the hunt. And no sooner did I get
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  Speaker 1: the bird tagged. We hear another bird, another two birds
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  Speaker 1: actually sound off below us, and I looked at him,
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  Speaker 1: I said, time to get you a bird, and we
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  Speaker 1: ran down with you know, we got in a position quick.
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  Speaker 1: I hopped on the call again and just like my bird,
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  Speaker 1: this bird's hot, he's hammering, he's coming right for us.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd say about fifteen minutes after I dropped my bird,
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  Speaker 1: we had Matt got his first spring bird there and
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  Speaker 1: we post were walking out of the woods there with
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  Speaker 1: a spring gobbler. On this hunt, Stephen was wearing a
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  Speaker 1: sick a cent jacket and pants. And if you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to create a sick oft story of your own, you
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  Speaker 1: can visit sitka gear dot com. And now let's get
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  Speaker 1: this show kicked off all right with us. Now on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast is Frank Clark and Clinton Fawcett. Welcome the show, guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: thanks Mark, glad you have us on there. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for having us more. Yeah, I'm I'm excited to chat.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a while since I've got to chat
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  Speaker 1: with both of the same time. You know, we met
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  Speaker 1: a number of years ago through our through our friend
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  Speaker 1: Josh back in Illinois. But um, how long have you
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  Speaker 1: guys been been hunting together, because it seems like that's
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  Speaker 1: been a long term thing, Is that right, Clinton? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I we were taught Frank and I saw it this
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  Speaker 1: earlier day. I think we've been filming. This will be
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  Speaker 1: our tenth or eleventh year. We filmed the first year
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  Speaker 1: together and tried to get on TFC bow Man when
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  Speaker 1: Drewies had it or whatever it was the contest they had,
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  Speaker 1: and then we filmed for White Knuckle for two years
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  Speaker 1: after that, and I think this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: our seventh year with un Die Wow. And it's been
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, it sounds like it now. When
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  Speaker 1: you when you two are utting together and filming together,
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  Speaker 1: is that always an easy thing or because I know
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  Speaker 1: when some guys hunting film together a lot, they can
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  Speaker 1: sometimes nearly kill each other. Has that ever happened to
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  Speaker 1: you guys that one? Yeah, I mean it happens every
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  Speaker 1: year you have, you know, if he'll have something going
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  Speaker 1: on or all have something going on, and you know
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to get schedules worked out and you know,
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  Speaker 1: family stuff and sports, and I mean it just gets
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  Speaker 1: to the point where sometimes you gotta go by yourself.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, just that's just part of it. I guess. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it can definitely become a second marriage at times, that's
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Who who's the husband, who's the wife? Well,
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  Speaker 1: it just depends, I think we know that that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So how did your guys this season go this far?
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  Speaker 1: I guess, uh, Clinton will start with you. We we
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  Speaker 1: had a great season. Um we had we killed deer
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  Speaker 1: on the same day. Uh, I killed a real nice
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  Speaker 1: eight point and uh I had we had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: hit or miss late season with it being cold, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, the weather just wasn't great for us. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know overall it was pretty good. Have been
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  Speaker 1: laying off the doors because we don't, you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to help the dear population get back. Um, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I I thought we had a pretty good season for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So that day you guys both killed at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: That if I remember right, Frank, did you kill first
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  Speaker 1: and then and then Clinton you killed later that day?
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? I killed in the morning, and
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  Speaker 1: then once we got photos done and I got everything
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  Speaker 1: you know, taken care of, then uh we were running
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  Speaker 1: late like normal to go out that afternoon, and then
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  Speaker 1: uh we just went just spot that we actually never
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  Speaker 1: really hunted at all, I mean in the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years, and uh we had another nice buck come
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  Speaker 1: in that morning for that night. Wow. So how to
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  Speaker 1: how to start that morning for you? Um? We went
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  Speaker 1: to a spot that I had an encounter with the
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  Speaker 1: big buck last the year before, on about the same day.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of the same, you know, the weather
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  Speaker 1: was about the same and everything. So we uh we
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  Speaker 1: slid into that stand and uh just hit the horns
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  Speaker 1: together and he he uh, he came in. It was
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  Speaker 1: actually a deer that I had passed the year before
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  Speaker 1: out of the same tree. He was three, and then
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  Speaker 1: then this year he was four, and he came into
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  Speaker 1: like twenty one yard. Wow. Do you guys see that happened?
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  Speaker 1: Very often? Where you see a buck do something very
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  Speaker 1: nearly the same, almost at the same time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one year after another. Have you guys seen that happen before?
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  Speaker 1: It seems like since we started paying more attention to it. Yes, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty sure. We were both pretty sure we
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  Speaker 1: were gonna kill that bear out there. Um. We'd actually
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  Speaker 1: been waiting on him to show back up all summer
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  Speaker 1: and we thought he was gonna blow into a bigger
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  Speaker 1: deer than what he did. Um, he'd only put on
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  Speaker 1: about ten inches maybe from three to four, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of you know, uh, you know that usually didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: Usually a lot bigger jump around here on your ear
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  Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, he uh, we were waiting on
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  Speaker 1: him to show back up, and he was actually right
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  Speaker 1: underneath our nose the whole time. I've been getting pictures
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  Speaker 1: of him all summer. I just didn't realize it was
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  Speaker 1: the same year because he hadn't blown up quite what
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  Speaker 1: I thought he was going to. And but but we
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  Speaker 1: had both talked a lot about we knew we were
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to get on that beer down
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  Speaker 1: there in that bottom. I mean, he just that's where
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  Speaker 1: he was last year a lot, and he was once
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  Speaker 1: he moved, you know, got his velvet off and the
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  Speaker 1: rust started and he got moved down in there where
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  Speaker 1: he'd been last year. At the same time, it was,
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty sure it was gonna happen. So was
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  Speaker 1: it just because of the observations from the year before,
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  Speaker 1: or did you start getting you know, you start seeing
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  Speaker 1: him again or getting pictures or something that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: this past season that made you think, Okay, now it
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  Speaker 1: is happening. What we had got we had got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pictures of him down in there, and we've
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  Speaker 1: seen him and I had a lot of picture him
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  Speaker 1: there the year before, and that was actually Frank, that
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  Speaker 1: was the first time we went down in there, wasn't it?
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  Speaker 1: That was? That was the first day we've hunted that
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  Speaker 1: day in this year. You know, interesting, how long have
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  Speaker 1: you guys been How long you guys been doing this tarting?
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  Speaker 1: You know, mature bucks like this? Um? Has this been
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  Speaker 1: a long long long time? I mean he said, you've
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  Speaker 1: been filling ten years or so. Um. When did you
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  Speaker 1: guys make that jump to not just shooting any buck
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  Speaker 1: but these bigger, older bucks? Frank, I guess if you
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  Speaker 1: want to take that, um. Pretty much when we started, uh, Gillman,
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  Speaker 1: we tried to go you know four, Sometimes you kill
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  Speaker 1: a three year old that's bigger or looks bigger than
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  Speaker 1: you know, even then when you gets to the ground,
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  Speaker 1: you know these three But we pretty much have targeted
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  Speaker 1: four year olds since you know, the last probably seven
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  Speaker 1: or eight years. UM. But like truthfully, like Clinton, we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about this deer that we killed, I killed early,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in in that bottom. We started really patterning
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  Speaker 1: in the does. When the does are starting to come
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  Speaker 1: and eat more than we did the bucks, like certain
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  Speaker 1: farms that does come in earlier. It seems like every year,
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  Speaker 1: and truthfully, we hunt certain farms, you know, according to
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  Speaker 1: the dose of when they came in the year before. Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So you're you're timing farms based on past past observations
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  Speaker 1: of does coming to heat. Then you're saying, yeah, all
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  Speaker 1: like on the rut, like if you start really seeing
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  Speaker 1: your bucks chasing, does it seems like us in a
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  Speaker 1: weak window that it seems like the next year, within
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  Speaker 1: that week window, they're gonna be on that farm. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like they're they come in heat again and within
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  Speaker 1: a week. M that makes sense? And are you seeing
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  Speaker 1: that even despite weather changes and stuff like that, still
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  Speaker 1: seems to be relatively consistent. Yeah, it is. Here at
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  Speaker 1: the house, it's I mean, the farm at the house
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  Speaker 1: is a mile and a quarter long. It's it's fairly narrow,
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  Speaker 1: but we've got a long it's a long farm. And
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  Speaker 1: the north end of the farm where we've killed several
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  Speaker 1: nice deer, it is early right off the bat every
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  Speaker 1: and down here where I'm sitting right now on the
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  Speaker 1: south end of the farm, it is late. It's two
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  Speaker 1: weeks later. The prime time of the rut down here
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  Speaker 1: on this end of the farm is always late. And
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  Speaker 1: you can get pictures of a deer a mile and
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  Speaker 1: a half to the north, and then as the season,
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  Speaker 1: as a rut continues down here on the south end
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  Speaker 1: of the farm. Um, it's always later you have any
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  Speaker 1: and that might be No, it's confusing to me because
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  Speaker 1: I listened to everything. I mean, you know how I am.
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  Speaker 1: I listen to everything on the internet. I sit in
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  Speaker 1: my office, I listen to the podcast. I listened to
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  Speaker 1: everything Margery as ever Rhodor said, I listened everything Grandtfoods
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  Speaker 1: talks about and it and I understand everyone's steers. But
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  Speaker 1: I can't promise you this. The north end of our
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  Speaker 1: farm is the last week October, religiously every single year.
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  Speaker 1: My mother and father in law's farm is sometimes even
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  Speaker 1: earlier than that. It can be closer towards the twenties,
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  Speaker 1: early twentieth up there. And I can promise you one thing.
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  Speaker 1: On the south, on the very south end of this farm,
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  Speaker 1: it is the week before shotting season every year. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's I got pictures to prove it. And the deer
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  Speaker 1: moved from the north down to the south. And Frank
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  Speaker 1: has been telling me that for years. And that's that's
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  Speaker 1: how we that's kind of how we hunt it. We
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  Speaker 1: don't ever hunt here until those weeks, we kind of
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  Speaker 1: just migrate, you know, we migrate ourselves. You Josh's farms
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  Speaker 1: early too, you know Josh's farms the same way. Where
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  Speaker 1: are you hunted? Mark can tell you about that. He
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  Speaker 1: knows a lot about that over there. Do you guys
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  Speaker 1: folks focus then primarily just on those I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I'm curious to here from the beginning, how much
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  Speaker 1: emphasis do you put on the beginning of this season, Um,
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  Speaker 1: early season? Is that something you guys are really focused
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  Speaker 1: on or do you kind of save up your time
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  Speaker 1: until that, you know, that late October time period when
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  Speaker 1: it starts kicking it in that one part of the farm. Frank, Um,
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  Speaker 1: the first thick October is all based on our cameras.
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  Speaker 1: We just go by what bucks are trying are we
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  Speaker 1: still moving in the daylight, and what bucks that we're
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  Speaker 1: getting pictures of? Um, we really don't, you know, go
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  Speaker 1: into the timber most of the time. In the first
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  Speaker 1: week October, we just hunt edges and then like in
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  Speaker 1: one food and just anywhere that we're kind of getting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, seeing some scrapes and we're getting pictures of bucks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've killed killed a buck October one two
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  Speaker 1: years ago, and then this year he shot one of
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  Speaker 1: hit in the shoulder October one. It's just we had
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  Speaker 1: we knew them bucks were there by the cameras. So
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  Speaker 1: that's how we usually hunt the first week of October
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  Speaker 1: and maybe the second week and then once it you know,
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  Speaker 1: gets in the middle of October. Truefully, we don't hunt
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  Speaker 1: that much. We just hunt, you know, maybe twice a
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  Speaker 1: week or three times a week, just depending on what
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  Speaker 1: is going on. Yeah, our lives. Our lives would tell
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  Speaker 1: you we hunt a lot. We've both been there and
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  Speaker 1: saying we hunted just a couple of times a week.
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  Speaker 1: It's not very much, but they would. I'm sure if
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  Speaker 1: we had to be in an Emily on the phone,
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  Speaker 1: they would beg to different little bit. But yeah, we've
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  Speaker 1: had we've had great success with the cameras and hunting
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  Speaker 1: early season. And you know, even in the past, before
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  Speaker 1: we started filming, it seemed like Frank had always had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of good spots um that he got on
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  Speaker 1: deer early and and you know, even still today, those
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  Speaker 1: spots are still good earlier in the year than others.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it seems like you get those deer on
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  Speaker 1: those farms where you can kill them early is compared
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  Speaker 1: to like here at the house you just can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: And is there something specific about those spots, like why
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  Speaker 1: do you think that's a good early season spot? Is
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  Speaker 1: just the food or what do you think? I just
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  Speaker 1: think there's summer in there, don't you, Frank. They're they're
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  Speaker 1: in there kind of more out in the wide open,
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  Speaker 1: and then they get in their summering and then they're
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  Speaker 1: kind of still they're hanging out and we're just able
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  Speaker 1: to to get to get on. What do you think, Frank, Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean we always have. I always have on my
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  Speaker 1: grandpa's farm or by his house. I always have. There's
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  Speaker 1: usually four or five good bucks a year, and they're
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  Speaker 1: in velvet, and then usually one or two stay once
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  Speaker 1: they lose their velvet, and then usually they're there the
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  Speaker 1: first two weeks October and then I mean, you always
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  Speaker 1: have a home body that stays right there behind his house.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just a narrow drawl and it doesn't take
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  Speaker 1: you just gotta hunt it when it's right. You can't
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  Speaker 1: pressure the deer. I mean, it's only a thirty acre
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  Speaker 1: little drawl of you know, just grass and crp and
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of just a spot that nobody else
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  Speaker 1: would really hunt, and I just hunt it, you know, accordingly,
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  Speaker 1: you just hunt it when the winds right and when
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  Speaker 1: you can get in there, and you just just watch
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  Speaker 1: your cameras. That's what we do, and just kind of
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  Speaker 1: check your cameras once a week and hope, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you get some daylight pictures, then you try to
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  Speaker 1: try to get in there at hume. Can you can
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  Speaker 1: you elaborate on that trail camera strategy in that early
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  Speaker 1: part of the season. You know, where are you putting
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  Speaker 1: those cameras? You said you're checking the once once a week,
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  Speaker 1: but where are those cameras that and how are you
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  Speaker 1: getting there to check them without spooking deer? I have
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  Speaker 1: all my cameras all truthfully, we either have fence gaps,
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  Speaker 1: um pinch points, but mostly along the edge of the
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  Speaker 1: field where they're still going out and feed. If you find,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of times along the edge of the
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  Speaker 1: field where the where the trees shade, the beans stay
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  Speaker 1: green along the edges, and you'll, I mean, even if
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  Speaker 1: you find a trail where the fence is down, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like anywhere where it's uh, where it's easy for
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  Speaker 1: him to get out in the field and in a
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  Speaker 1: low spot in the field. I mean, that's where I
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  Speaker 1: put all my cameras. I don't put anything in in
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  Speaker 1: the tickets or nothing, don't even get in and I
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  Speaker 1: get everything is on the edge where truthfully, you drive
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: your truck up there in or your forewhether and drive up,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: check your pull your card in to drive all just
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: like a farmer would. That's kind of how we do everything.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We don't really like to walk in in the first
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the first week October, it seems like the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: farmers are out checking their fields, and that's kind of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the strategy we do too. We I mean, it seems
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: like you have better success to not bumping deer if
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: you if you just kind of do what you normally
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: do all summer long and don't don't change up what
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, how much do you go? Ahead? Well,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I mean, I agree with that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: The more we check them out of the truck, it
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: seems like the better off, you know, the better off
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: we do. And it seems like if we can catch
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: those dear early scraping at all, you know around you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: when they're velvet shedding, a lot of times we get
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: them on those scrapes, especially like Frank over there, on
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: some of those summering spots, and then they just continue
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to stay there. And then if you can get in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: there and check them with your truck out the window
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and not leave any scent, you know, like on a
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: fence row or something that's out away from the timber,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, you know they're there. And if you can
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: catch the weather right, we've had we've had really good
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: luck with it. Even in the middle of October. We've
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: killed we've we've killed, you know, out of the deer
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: we've killed. We're not real good rut hunters, truthfully, and
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we've killed a lot of them pre rut in in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: early October. On the camera pattern itself, how much how
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: much are you paying attention to the details of those pictures,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: like you know, what direction they're coming from or stuff
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: like that, or is it just is there a shooter
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: in daylight and if there is, then now we go
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: in Or is it more than that. I don't. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: pay a little bit of attention to where they're coming from,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: but not a ton because a lot of a lot
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: of times my cameras run on time lamps also over
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the food plots, so they'll just be out in the middle.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: You know, they'll just pop out and you're not sure exactly.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you know he's there, but you know they can't.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: It was a minute since last time you took a picture,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: so you don't know exactly what happened. Um, but you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: we we're we are very We're we're not very aggressive.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I was actually just getting ready to I just saw
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: your podcasting pop up with Mark on the aggressive hunting Strategy,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm interneting, but definitely tomorrow Work over
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Lighter is gonna pay me a little bit of money
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to listen to that because I'm interested. Because Frank and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I are are very non aggressive hunters, or at least
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. What do you think, right, we just
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I think lately season early season when we don't we're
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: not really aggressive unless you know, we have a deer
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that we know we could have a chance to kill him.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But during the rut, I mean truthfully, the rut is
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: when we usually go into the betting areas. That's I mean,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's the best chance you have of killing
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a big buck during the rut is to be where
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the does are in the betting area and just catching bump, bumping,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: doze back and forth. Yeah. Right, So so elaborate a
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: little bit for me, Clinton and what you're saying there
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: though about how you how you're not very aggressive earlier
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in the year or mid October. Um, Are you saying
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that just because of where you're hunting, like because you're
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: hunting in the edges, or you're saying that because of
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like how often you hunt or what degree you we
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: we just you know, I feel like a lot of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: times we moved too fast off of the deer, like
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the deer's there, and we don't go back, Like we'll
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: go once and then well we getting seen, but we're
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: scared we're gonna buy the mouths and we don't go back.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So we're not very aggressive in it on that aspect
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of it, because you know, we've got several places to hunt,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: right so we've got several different bucks that we're trying
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to pattern. You know, we we don't have an overall
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: huge abundance of ground. Um, you know, compared to the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: average guy. We've we've got a bunch of you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: forty eight acre farms, not not a bunch, but three
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: or four that we hunt. The farm here at the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: house is a little bit bigger than that. But so
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: with that being said, you know, Frank hunt some farms.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I hunt some farms. So we're not filming when we're
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: filming together. You know, that cuts your hunting time down
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: in half. So we're just not very aggressive on each
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: individual deer. And the thing we do is we check
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: cameras and if he's there in the daylight, we're gonna
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: try to hunt him. And if he's not there in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the daylight, we normally don't on him. But if we
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: can get him close, if you can get him within
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a half hour of when it's dark, so safety getting
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: dark at six o'clock and you get pictures of them
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: in there are six thirty on a scrape, if you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: can get that cold front coming. We we have killed
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: several on that pattern. I mean several several several dear
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: middle of October and several deer late October on staying out,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: just checking cameras, not being aggressive and watching the weather
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and then hey, it's gonna happen and we go in there,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and I mean we've we've killed some really good deer
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that way. And early season, you know. That's that's kind
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of how I base everything that on the farms we
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: hunt that I'm running cameras, you know, Frank runs. His
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: cameras are on my cameras, and that's how I kind
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: of based on, Hey, we need to get in here now,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: or hey, Frank, what do you got we need to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: get over there now? Is you know they're getting closer
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: daylight or not? Some of you just don't moving daily.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a bigger here at the house. I've
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: seen him one time in five years. That was this year.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Is the first time I've ever seen him, and he
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: just they still move in the daylight, and I'm just
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: don't Yeah, how much of you mentioned a cold front?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: How much of a cold front or how much of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a drop in temperature do you need to see before
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you jump in there? And do you look at any
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: thing else? Are there any other weather conditions that make
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you say now is the time to go? Yeah? I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: look at everything. Frank is a if. Frank's a gut
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: feeling hunter and I am a analyzer hunter. I like
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to look at everything and try to figure it out.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Go ahead. For the pressure hunter, he's a pressure hunter.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He watches the vermish pressures all the time. He's like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's going to jump to two points jump and that's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just all he does is watch it. But you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I have to I have to work, and he has
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to he has to get a computer and check the pressure. Well,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I happen to be the boss of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the crew that i'm or I'm not necessarily the boss.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: If any of the guys that that work for me
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: listen to this, they're going to tell you I'm not
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the boss. We're equals. I'm just the guy that keeps
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the material coming, all the paper works straight and plans
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the direction that we're going to try to head as
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: long as the whole crew as okay with it. So yes,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I do end up in my office a lot of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: times getting that stuff straight. What Frank is if we're all,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you know Frank, sometimes we're on the same job and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: we're building the building. So Frank might be abut doing
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: his stuff because he's a labor and i'm electricians so
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm in there to listen to podcasts and going
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: out and saying, hey, dude, the pressure is rising. It's
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna be thirty point four. This afternoon. We've
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: got to get out of here. We gotta go on.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And he's like, what what do you I don't feel it,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: but we're not gonna killing I don't feel like we're
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: gonna kill anything. We're not gonna kill one. While I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: know a lot of times he's right, you know, you
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: just you know how it is. You just have that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: feeling that it's gonna happen a lot of times like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you just you just know, Like like when Frank killed
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that deer this year in the morning, we just it
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: just had that feeling it was gonna happen. And we
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: never go back out and hunt after we shoot one.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: We don't ever get in a hurry like that and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: go back out and and we and we would never
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: go down the woods in the evening at four o'clock.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We would never do that. But it just goes to
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: show you that's aggressive hunting, right, I mean, or or
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: lucky rout hunting. You know, we're just Frank hadok gout
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: feeling and called said, hey, let's go ahead and go again.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: This is where we ought to go. So we went
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and we weren't in there fifteen and twenty minutes. Here
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you come, did you guys, make that dive because you
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: had just been seeing that more that morning and the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: days before that. It was just like absolutely on and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you had to be out there or was it literally
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: just like the feeling you just had a feeling. Uh.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I was on your the Rut report three days before
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that and said, I don't think it's going to be
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: any good to go hunting after like Friday because of
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the way the weather was. And then Frank and I
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: went out and killed two on Saturday on gut feelings.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So well, there you go on my anny. Would you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: would you add anything on that? Frank? Uh No? I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: mean true, wee is the weekends are pretty much doing
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the w's win. It's the rut you have. You know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we only get so many days off work. So truthfully,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: if if there's any kind of a pole front or anything,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we might not get real aggressive and go you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: in our best spots if it's not right. But if
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's the rut and it's it's the weekend and we
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you know, Clinton boy don't have about a football game
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: or you know, we got time to where we can hunt,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: and then we try to hunt, I mean, I mean,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do if it's the rut you never know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but it's to the point where you don't go your
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: best spot unless you you know, you know and you
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have that gut or you know that you're waiting for
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that the one with the right wind, or you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just waiting for the right time to get in there. Yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: how do you guys use the wind? Um? You know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: if you've heard some of these pass ones, maybe you
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: have clinton where we've talked to guys about you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: some people always want to make sure the winds always
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in their favor, and then other guys say, are you
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: want to get the buck to try to have the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: win in his favor and you kinda be off the edge?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: How do you guys approach that we've got We've got
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: several spots where we've been very successful where the wind
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: blows not not not right at them, but it blows
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: really close to him. Um, it seems like if it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: not the first week of season and they're in kind
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of dumb mode, Like the deer I killed last year, Um,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: opening night, he came with the wind at his butt
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the whole way. I mean just and and he was
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a big, old mature deer. I mean he just but
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: he'd been coming in there all the time, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: he was just kind of dumb mode. And we've even
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: had a deer blow when I was ready to gather
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: get out of the blind and Frank's like, a dude,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: let's just stay. We're already back here, you know. And
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: then Frank's like, there he is. You've gotta be kidding me.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And then you know that the deer opening night this
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: year did the same thing. He come with the wind,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but the whole way. But it seems like after they
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: get out that dumb summer mode the middle of October
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: and maybe they're getting a little hunting pressure, we have
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: really good luck if we can get the wind paralleling
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: where they're coming at, not blowing right at them, but
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: if you can get it blown towards them and then
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: come off to the side of it, it's it seems
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like we just see a lot more gear. If you
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: were in a situation like that where it's kind of tight,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it's kind of risky, and you're get in the tree,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: but then you realize that the wind shifted a little
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: bit and now it's it's blown right towards where you
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: were thinking they would be coming from. Are you guys
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the type that would sit it out and hope that
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they come from a different direction, or do you just
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: get down and move all that? Frank answer that one. Um,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it just happen on the time of year, I think more. Um,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: if it's early, yeah, we usually climbed down and get
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: out there and go sit somewhere else. Um, if it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: early enough, or we just go back to the truck
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and go. But if it's in the rut, I think,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you know, there's more of a chance of about coming
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: from anywhere cruising. Um. But that's that's pretty much how
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: how would we do it? I mean it kind of Oh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that was kind of going and forth, I guess. But
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: early season, we definitely do not want to mess anything up,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: like the first week October and you know you have
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a good deer in an area that you can kill
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: him if everything is right. Yeah. Yeah. What speaking of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: wind and stuff, what do you guys do from a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: scent control perspective, Frank, Um, do you guys obsess over
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that or or what's your take? Um? Yeah, I mean
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: we we do the best we can, especially early season.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I mean you really, you know, when you're only hunting
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the evenings pretty much you know, you can take better
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: better care of your clothes a little. You know, you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: can wash them, you know more, or you can you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: make sure you put them in your ozone bag more often.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: But when like when the when the rut is on
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and you're hunting morning to night, when you have you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: three or four days off or you take some days
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: off work, I think you we lack you know, we
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: lack on the scent control a little bit. But I
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: mean with the products they have now and the sprays, mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: we have dead down land and we have all of
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: our you know, the stuff we is and I think
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: it nothing needs a hundred percent, but stuff does help. Yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: would you would you have anything? Whinn No? No, I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: mean something, dude. Sometimes we just don't ever hunt with
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the wind being wrong because we'll go straight from work,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: straight to the tree and you know, you got your
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: your your clothing, your sincrush your bag and everything's clean,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but you're just you know, Frank might have been grinding
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: concrete walls all day and and cover and dust and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: you know, who knows what I've been doing. I would
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: have been listening to podcasts or maybe I've been actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: working and I'm sweating everything else, and you just you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: you just don't there's no getting around it. You either
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: don't go hunting or you go hunting in the in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the conditions that you have. And when you do that,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that's fine, but you just cannot hunt when the wind's wrong.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And sometimes that just totally you know, it cuts your
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: percentage of seeing a big deer way down or seeming
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: close story one too, because the wind's not blowing towards him.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And when we're stinky like that coming straight from work,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: we tend to get way out on the edge and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and we've got a lot of good stands that have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: great access that we can hunt. You know, the older
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: we've got and we've had kids, we've we're all we're
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: working all the time. We have less and less time
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: every year, and so we've got to maximize the time
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we get in the tree. And you know, where it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: used to be we wouldn't go hunting if we only
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: had an hour and a half. Now we'll go. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: we've got spots with better access. It's easy to get
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: into and just you know, you can't kill one if
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you're not in the tree. Yeah, we just gotta We
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: got a listeners submitted question not too long ago. Um
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: actually actually asked him about this a very thing. They said,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: you know, for someone who's working fifty sixty hours a week,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: how can you maximize your hunting time, whether that be
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the amount of time or make the most of the
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: limited amount of hunting time that you have. It sounds
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: like you guys are in that kind of situation, Um, Clinton,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: how do you guys, you know, how have you guys
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: been a transition now with families and kids and work
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and everything. How do you make the most of the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: time you do have? Well, we you know, we first
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of all, we try to hunt when it's right, you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: know what it used to be. We felt a lot hurt, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I felt a lot of pressure filming to you know,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: do good and and we're always trying to kill the year.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So we're going a lot, and you know, going a lot,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and it's not the answer a lot of times the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hunting leap. You know, hunting fewer times a year is
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: probably better because you're not alerting as many deer. But
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: but the thing that we did or that I have
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: out of the house, Um, you know, we've got it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: set up on a lot of edges and food plots
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to have great access, and other farms that way too,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So even if we have an hour and a half
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and it's right, we've got spots that we can slide into,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: excuse me, where maybe it's not the greatest chance you're
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: going to kill one, but you're still there and it
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: could happen and you're not going to boot it up
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: too bad being in there. I mean, we've got a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: couple stands over my mother and father in law that
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you could literally hunt. I mean, I'm not telling you
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: can hunt them every night, but if there's a south wind,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: you can get in and out of there. And unless
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: they're right underneath of you when it's dark, they never
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: know you were there. And and it's just a good spot.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like if a guy is trying to hunt
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and doesn't have time, you know you can't not go,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: so you gotta you gotta try to find ways to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: hunt the edges and find words where you have great
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: access that you're not blowing any deer out because they
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: say you're coming. Think you park your truck down gravel
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: road and you're coming up a drawl to the field right,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and maybe you're not in a spot where the deer bed,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: so you're not gonna blowing out and getting in there.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And if you slide up to the field and get
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: up on your sticks to climb up your tree and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of deer clothes out in the field,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: drop back down and and go back to the truck,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Or you can slide up there and hey,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it's a half hour four, it's dark, nothing too, I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: gonna jump in here real quick, and five minutes later
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you feel a good one. You know, you just you
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: gotta go. You know, we're not all professional hunters and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: have a lot of time, and that's just you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can't kill it if you're not
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in the tree, and you just gotta make everything that
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: your advantage where you can get there quickly and efficiently
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: as you can do. Do you actually think about that
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: when you guys are setting up stands in the off
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: season or in the past, like, hey, we have to
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: have a certain number stands set up for those last
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: minute hunts I've got about. I mean all the stands
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: on my at my house that are on the food
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: plots are set up for last minute hunts. I mean
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you don't have to have you are coming in high
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: where the deer can't see you and you can get
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: there quickly. I mean, if I take the kids, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: take my kids forty five minutes before it gets dark. Yeah,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and I'll drive the truck. If they're dear there, I'll
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: drive the truck back and run them off first, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: then we'll go back. It's a great idea for especially
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: for guys you know, trying to get in a few
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: extra hunts, you know, in the evenings after work, just
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to specifically make sure you've got a spot or two
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that's low impact. So, like you said, I mean, it's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: always this line we're walking between. You know, you can't
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: kill any friend you're if you're not out there. But
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: then to your point earlier, and always talk about this too.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: You know, if you're hunting at the wrong times too much,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: then you pressure them. So it's like, how do you
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: make sure you put yourself in a position to still
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: have opportunities but not screw it up. And this seems
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: like a great way to do it to you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: specifically planned for having a couple of these spots that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: are low impact, easy to get into, even if it's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you know, later in the morning or later in the evening. Um,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I like that. Frank, would you would
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you say there's anything else as far as you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: making the most of limited time or maximizing your hunting
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: time that you would offer. No. I mean it's just
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you got you like said you gotta hunt. And I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: mean like a lot of our spots where we have
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: where we can slide into a stand. I mean we're
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: only parking that we have a spots. You gotta have
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: spots to the parker truck. That's another plate thing that
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: we do or do react to. You know, if you're
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: trucks sitting on the side of the road, No. Nine
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: of the ten time deer comes out seas your truck.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: A lot of times they go back in. So we
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: have like we'll even we got areas where little low
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: spots that we park our trucks and you know we
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: only have to go six or seventy year eighty yards
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to get up in a tree. But you know, the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: deer there is no way the deer can see your
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: truck days. I mean, we have a lot of spots
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to Clint's house that we park our truck within you know,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a hundred yards of the tree. H Yeah, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you've got to use all that stuff to your advantage,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you know, parking, parking in low spots, parking the ditches
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: on the side of the road. You know, the stuff
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you have to look for, you know, when you're out scouting,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, where can I park? Where can I get
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: in here? You know, especially if you've got kids, are
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like Frank like to take his grandpa, you know, so
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you can get them back their clothes and either drop
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: them off or park within a hundred yards. And you know,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: you just got to think about that and set in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: your farm up because a lot of people think, man,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta get this foot plot stuck clear down in here,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be great. And yeah, it might be
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're marking terry and you can go
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: hunt when it's the very perfect day to get in there.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But for us, you know, you were more guys on
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in, trying to get the beer to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: come out, and and it's you know, it's very efficient
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: if you can park your truck somewhere a where they
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: can't see it and be it's close to where you're going,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: because you can always run do get run off of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the truck every time side drives down to gravel road,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: so they're not you know, you blow one out of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the truck, you know they'll get in the tree that
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: might come back out in fifteen minutes. Yeah, you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you just never know. Do you guys do anything other
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: than other than set ups like this? Do you do
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: anything to create better access routes? I mean, do you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: make trails or cut areas out, or use any specific
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: type of terrain to to access places just to limit
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that impact? Specifically? Clinton? Yeah, Yeah, most of our stuff
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: is in ditches. We we access uh through ditches are
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: up the creeks. We've got them cut low spots. You know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I've got most of stuff trimmed out over here at
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the house and then I go, we've got some log
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: in road access here up but uh up at our
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: my mother and father in laws, we've got great access
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: coming in underneath all the deer always in the in
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: the bottom, and it's got a bunch of that Russian
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: olive mulberry. I don't know what it is. It's it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you just thicker and crap, and we've got trails cut
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: through it, and it's it's great cover for sliding the tree. Um.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we always try to have good access where
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: we're coming in underneath in the creek and and undetected. Yeah,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: you talked a little bit about UM scouting for you know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: spots like that where you can park your truck easily
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that other than trout cameras. How much
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: scouting do you guys actually do? And I mean are
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you is it post season scouting or is it in
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: season scouting? And what kind of stuff you're looking for? Frank,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: maybe take that first. Um, we do a lot. I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: mean I do a lot of scouting. I'm I like everything.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So I squirrel hunt a lot and it starts in August.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So a lot of times when I'm squirrel hunting, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: look for you know, the white oak trees that are
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: that are they have a lot of nuts on them,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and just the little things. We'll try to find a
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: lot of pinch points. Uh. I like hunting pinch sports
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a lot. But like that's pretty much what I do.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: A lot of my scouting is is you know, in
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: August and when I'm squirrel hunting a lot, I I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: just love just just keep track of what what trees
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: are producing nuts that year. I mean, like the last
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: couple of years. The white oaks haven't really been Ben't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that really that good for us? Um, But there's been
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of little red oaks and pin oaks that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: were dropping along the edge of fields and stuff. So
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what I do. I I love me
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and my dad squirrel hunt have since I have a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: little kids, so we kind of still do that. And
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: then I just kind of keep track of, oh, what
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: what trees are producing that year, because not every you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: not every year a tree will produce nuts. Would you
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: have anything on that? Clinton? Well, I I keep more
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of a uh, you know, hired the house. You can
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: all be more of a scheduled approach of I guess
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: when the deer showed up from the year before, um,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of our deer lake season, um,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: depending on the cry rotations and that stuff. They're back.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You know. Right now we are kind of learning the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: farm again at the house because we logged the whole
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: thing and we cut six hundred trees off of the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: farm and it has made it and an absolute debacle
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: to say the least. It's bad. It's it's it's bad
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: enough that Frankie won't shed hunt some of it, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he would quit deer hunting if he had to choose
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: between shed hunting and deer hunting. And there it is
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: just a it is a mess in there. So we're
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: we are trying to have to really we are relearning
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that aspect of it. And you know, like right now
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: is a great time to where you can see to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be able to check it out. But but a lot
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: of a lot of our scouting it seems like anymore, um,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know, we we we just go on the past season.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You know, on on certain gear now you will have
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: new gear show up. But since the h D we
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: haven't had a lot of new gear show up. Um,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: but but we have had some. But but most of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the scouting is past year's drake cameras on my court,
• 40:03
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• 40:05
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• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of you talked about something there a second ago, um
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: changing crap rotation, and it just made me think of
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: a question I always ask myself, which is you know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: most a lot of these farms in the Midwest, and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: really a lot of places across the country there usually
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: if there's crops on it, they're rotating between corn and beans,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: corn and beans, back and forth every year. Um, have
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you guys ever found that one or the other is better?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the being years are better than
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the corn years or vice versa, Clint, have you seen that?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I think the corn years are always better. Like this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: year we struggled late season because our neighbor's farm was
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: was all corn on his side, all corn stocks. And
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: now next year it will all be being stocks and
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: this side of the farm will be on fire. Um,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: knock on wood. I shouldn't say that and try to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: predict anything, but it is a very you know, this
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: year didn't get very cold, so the deer weren't in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the standing soybeans. But next year we will have all
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: them so they were they were in the just corn
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: stocks and out grazing, you know what I mean. And
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: now next year we'll have all the corn stocks on
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: our side of the farm, plus we'll have our standing
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: food plots on the other side of the farm that
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: my neighbor's own. They will it will be all bean
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: stocks and a little bit of corn, so we will
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: have a lot more deer. Um. It seems like our
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: later season hunting is a lot better on those years. Yeah,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of what I've seen too, um,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: especially even when I guess I don't know what you
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: guys think about this, but there's always that other dilemma
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: of on the corn ears when you have standing corn,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: you know, is that a help or hindrance too? Because
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: you were there's all those deer in there, and I've
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: got to fire my hunt that is really open. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: so when when there's not corn out there, there's just
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: hardly any cover, so they're not they doesn't hold a
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: lot of deer. When there is standing corn holds a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: lot of deer and they kind of come in and
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: out of the corn. So it's usually a good thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: But once it comes out, then you just lose so
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: many deer. Um. How do you guys into the standing cornty?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Is that a good thing or a bad thing for
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: you guys? Frank Um, I I like the standing corn,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: but to a to a point, you know, early early
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: in the year, I really like it because, like you said,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it's easy to get into. Um, make sure where you
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: can get into your get into your stands a little
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: bit easier. We go a lot of times. I'll go
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and I'll take a machete and trim trim a path
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: down through the corn field where we can. You know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you guys might have to walk a long ways, but
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: he has it's a pretty pretty good walk into into
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: your stands. Um. But I mean, just like we were
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: talking just a minute, you asked Clint that question about
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: prop rotation. It's complication now is so much of a
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: point that we we look at because truthfully, the farmers
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: now have had their harvest is so early that they
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: work everything. So if you have you might still have
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a corn field, but yet it's worked. And then you
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: have one neighbor that didn't work any of it, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: didn't have the head as all the stocks and did
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: not work anything, and it seemed like the deer or
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they go around the stock. That's just if
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: we have the Clinton's field this year that they the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: first time they worked it in a long time, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I think it made a big difference, big difference in
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the deer we saw there. So you're saying they they
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: chisel plotted afterwards, you say you when we're saying that
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: they worked it, and so then they're going to places
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: where it hasn't been plot under. Is that what you're saying.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I would say of the cornfield around where we're at
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: or where we hunt around here got worked this year
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: in October? Wow? Yeah, that changes things. Or clover and chicker.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Your clover and chickering now from mix because I can
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: control that and I can know it when the kids
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: aren't home. Um, just whatever throughout the summer and take
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: care of it. So, but but we depend a lot
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: on that early season green food source. We've had tremendous
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: luck with it with the oates and rye in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: rash and turn ups. Hopefully the clover and stuff will
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: turn out the same. I'm sure it will. Um. But
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: our late season revolve is most around the beans. Um.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: But it seems like our weather patterns have changed so
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: much because it used to get really cold, and the
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: beans where the ticket. Man, I mean, you just couldn't
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: beat them. It was the it was the cat's meat.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You couldn't you couldn't plant enough beans. And now like
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: this you're doesn't get cold. And if you had standing corn,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you know, we're allowed to We're allowed to knocks them
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: down in Illinois if you want, you can do what
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you want with it. But the deer will always eat corn.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: They'll always eat it, and they don't want to eat
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: those beans unless it's like crazy cold. Did you guys
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: see the deer hitting green food sources later in December
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: differently than usual because of those that warmer than usual temperature.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I've heard that from a number of people. That stuff
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that usually you wouldn't expect them to be on in December,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: they were because of those warmer temperatures. But if they
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: had the brows, the brows were more than anything that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I that I've seen this year. You would have deer
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like would come out into the food or out into
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: a corn field and then they go right back in
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and then they just be in the timber just browsing on,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: you know, anything that they could they wanted to eat.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, uh, it was really really weird year. Like
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the deer just they just didn't have to to search
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: for food there was they could pretty much just go
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: wherever they wanted to eat whatever they wanted. They didn't
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a really a late season pattern. I mean
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: there was. You might see ten one night, the next
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: night you might see it. Just it was weird. Did
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you see something different? Cliner basically the same type of situation,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: but basically saying I mean, I mean the grass. You
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: know that there was still green grass in the woods
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: in in January. You know on on south Face and
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: hillsides are in the pastures, and the deer, you know
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: that when they're pressured that much, you know they've been
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: through a whole hunting season. You know, you know there's
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that hunt around here, and when
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: they when every deer has been pressured by human at
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: some time, they don't want to get out if they
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: don't have to. And that's the key to the late
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: season food plots, when it gets so cold that they
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: got to eat. Man, we're in the fault. We're in
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the money. I mean, we have great, great late season
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and we had some good ones this year, just we've
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: never had the target deer we were after come out
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and that we passed up some really nice deering. Frank
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: passed up eight point and I passed. We found both
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: both sides doing so we know he scores. I passed
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: up hundred fifty ten pointer. It's on both side the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: ham um just so. So we had a a good
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: late season, just not to the caliber of late season
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: hunting are used to. And that's because of the weather
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and all the brows in the woods, because if they don't,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: they never even ate the beans like I dissed them under.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And there was I've never in my lifetime and planting
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: food plots in ten years ever had soybeans left ever,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and this year I would say there was at least
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: sev of the crop that I planned was still there.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: And that was the man and I've never ever seen
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: to have any And it was because all the brows
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: and the deer just wanted to spread out. I mean
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: they never really even grouped up, you know, they just
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: kind of stayed just doing whatever, eating twigs, browsing on coin,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: eating grass, it seemed like to me. Yeah, So so
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: how did that change your How did that change your
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: late season strategy? Because I feel like for me and
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, right you always think that, you know,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: when it comes to late season, I'm going to be careful,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: but when I hunt, I'm just gonna wait and hunt
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: those you know those great cold days where there's the snow,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: where the frigid temperatures, and they're gonna come flocking into
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: my great late season food. I mean, that's like your stereotypical,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: perfect late season set up. But what happens on a
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: year like this maybe where you don't get that, where
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: it's December fift through the end of December and it's
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: just warm and balmy. I mean, what do you do
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to that situation? Do you just go to your typical
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: late season food and hope it works out, or what
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: do you guys do there? You gotta have a you
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: gotta have a diverse food plot. You know, a lot
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of our bigger food plots we've got green and grain
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: in the same food plot, so you can, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you can be on the deer even when it's warm.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: But like here at the house, we're not set up
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like that, uh in the same spot. So you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: one of the spots we usually have tremendous success and
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: it's just strange standing beans and the deer didn't come
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to him. Were also we just we we tried to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: hunt them because it's ingrained in our head that that's
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: where we need to go. But we just didn't have
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: any success there. Um, so we just had to pull
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: off of them and start hunting some of that green,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: green food sources, even though you know, necessarily it might
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: not have been a deer that we wanted to shoot,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: but at least we were still going hunting. Yeah. Yeah, weird,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: weird weather. It'll be interesting to see if if things
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: get back to normal. It's coming here. But um, did
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you guys see shed hunting impacted by this warm winter?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Because for me and a lot of people, I feel
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: like it's been a rough shed hunting year and I've
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: kind of pointed the finger at this really mild bomby winter.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Frank of you guys you've seen that too. Yeah, I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of deer. I mean even right
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: now there's still deer old horns, which is really really crazy. Um.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I've had a decent year, but I've probably
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: went more than than than the average person. Um. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: get off work at at two thirties, so I probably
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: go three or four nights a week. You know, we're
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: walked for four or five miles. Um. But I mean
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I fund thirty two so far, but I have not
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: found I've not found any big big horns. I've found
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: one off of like maybe a one forty and then
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: all the rest or smaller. My wife did find it
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: nice that one night I took her um. But truthfully,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of the deer that they're just
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: so spread out that that you just gotta put a
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: lot of miles on. I mean, none of them. I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: usually have a good, you know spot that I always find.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you find two or three or four or
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: five in a in an area about every year, you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: and nothing like that. This year they were just you
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: find one here and one there, and this every they
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: were just spread out for a long way. Yeah, that's
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: kind of what I've been here. And where were you Clinton? Yeah,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: I mean I I I leave the shed out and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: almost exclusive to Frank because I get shooting snow geese
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and then I and I just forget about everything. Snow
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Geese is my is that, you know, that's my thing,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: like Frank, like shed hunting. I love snow or something.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: But I did take the life and the kids one
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: day up just pick up cameras. Then I found we
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: found uh six um just out of the almost all
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: five of them out of the minivan. Driving in a
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: grass a grass road to get the camera. Um, and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: they were on the green grass and then UM, I
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: was like, man, look at all these ship this is
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: this is awesome. We're just gonna tear him up. So
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I called Frank and we walked the whole farm that afternoon.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I hear the house. We found it too, which was
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a set off the deer that Frank had passed up
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and they were laid out in little Cornfield. So it
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: just with the guys that I've talked to and with
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Frank and and some our other bodys have said it,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: it's just very very sporadic, and there is still I
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: mean as of last week. Um. One of the guys
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: that hunt here post the house, check his camera last
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: weekend he had eight bucks um that we're still holding,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: both sides, and he said they were between a hundred
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: pen and a hundred deer all of them. So it's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I don't have any cameras out
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: because unfortunately have to pick all my stuff up because
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: people get sliding around and you lose them. UM. So
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: I don't have any cameras out for any type of
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: inventory to see what's there. Um. But you know, a
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: lot of people still been seeing bucks on both sides. Yeah,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I actually just saw on both sides today. Um it
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: was a young deer, but um but still I was
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: just about April. They're still they're still clinging on. So
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. I can remember one year I was with Josh,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Frankminbly with us. We were we were over by his
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: farm where Josh killed that uh ten point and we
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: had a big eight pointer come out and it was
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the first week of Turkey season. It's like the fift
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: April and he he ran across the road right in
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: front of us there. Yeah, he has no white rack yep,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: bright white. That's crazy. So it was a long time ago.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So you get speaking of a long time ago, you
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: guys have been hunting together a long time, and I'm
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: sure you've gotten to know each other pretty well and
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: all of your kind of good things and bad things. Frank,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: what would you say makes Clinton a good hunter? What
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: about Clinton makes him a good hunter? He's really really picky.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: He's he's the type of person that he wants it
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: to be that like that beer, he wants it to be.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: He gets something in his head and that's what it is,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and which I think that makes me a better hunter
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: because it makes him, you know, want that that much more. Mhm,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I can see that. Clinton. No, on the other side,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: what about Frank? What what about Frank makes him a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: successful hunter? That sometimes he lets me beat him killing
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: deer because he beat me at everything my entire life. Um,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Frank is a gut hunter and he's a killer. He
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: just loves it. Frank, Frank absolutely loves it. And the
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: best thing about Frank is that it keeps me loving
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: it like he just sometimes I get too over the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: top about it. And and I and I know that,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and especially since you know my last year my daughter
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: passed away. Um that's the only other story. But but
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: after that happened, you know, you just realize that life's
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: more about you know, Frank has been friends for twenty years, um,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and you know, sitting in the tree with somebody every night,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: you know, we know the ends and out of each other.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: We you know, you want to hear and tell stories.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: We can tell your stories about dating the same girls,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: going anything you want to talk about. We we have
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: been there, done that, you know. And Frank's just a
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: great hunter because he has these gut feelings of this
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: is where we need to go. I don't care what
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you're saying. I don't care what your high pressure says.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I don't care what your low pressure says. I don't
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: care what Mark Jury said. This is where we're gonna
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: go hunting, and we're gonna have fun when we go.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: And if we're not gonna have fun, screw you. I'm
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: not going no more. And we you know, we keep
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: it in check, but he always makes us make sure
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: we're having a good time and and normally that gut feeling,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, we are always on deer one and go.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Speaking of um, speaking of what makes you guys good hunters,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: I know that you guys have a lot of other
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: friends who are really good hunters too. Um, what if
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: you had to pick some type of quality in most
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: of the people you know that are just great deer hunters.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: What would that quality, that consistent thing be that most
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: really good deer hunters you know have all in common? Clinton,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: If you want to take that first, Um, I'm gonna
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: say just the management aspect of getting it set in
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: their mind that we are not going to shoot young deer, um,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and we're we're only going to shoot the mature deer
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: that we're after, or or just the maturity that shows
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: up on the farm. I mean, everybody is better at
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: something that we all. We all hunt different. I hunt
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: different than Frank. Frank's hunt different than me. You know,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Josh hunts different than Frank, and I hunt. Josh does
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: stuff all the time that Frank and I was like, Gosh,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: why does he do that? He's so sloppy and and
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: why is that even working? And Rector hunts different than
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: than Frank and I and I just think that the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: common thing is that you just everybody's got a goal,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and the guys that are consistently good deer hunters sticks
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: stick to the deer management and the goal thereafter. What
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: do you think, Frank um? You know, with friends, I mean,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that's just I probably wouldn't have anything about they had
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: my friends. You know, Josh and Clint have been like
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: my brothers since I moved here. I mean I moved
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: here when I was a freshman and ice school, and uh,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you know that I think that is we we try
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to better ourselves. I mean we all try to. We
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: all talk like every day or every other day during
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: hunting season. Everybody's like, you know, just telling telling stories,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: whether they saw what they you know, what they what's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: going on. And I think that is I mean everybody
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: that we hunt with, we all communicate, we all know,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you know. It's that's I think that's what makes everybody
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: a better hunter, that that we are friends with is
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: we all we have intel because we all hunt around
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the same areas and we all we all communicate and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: just like with our neighbors, we have neighbor class neighbor,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: we we keep in touch with him. We we you know,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: asking what they're seeing, They ask us what we're seeing.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's why it's getting to be the quality
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: management of everybody getting together. I mean it's not so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: much you have one neighbor that you know, you kind
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, he'll shoot anything. It's getting to be
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: where everybody is kind of sticking to the same game.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: And truthfully, in Illinois, that's what you need. Yeah, that's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that's a really nice situation. When you have that. It
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: seems like even like when you're looking for a new property,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you know, at lease or to buy land or something,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: it's like if you can find good neighbors no matter
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: what your properties like, lots of times you're going to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: be in for a lot better experience. If you're in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a neighborhood with people that have similar goals and you
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: know that you know, I want to communicate and enjoy
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: things together. That that's the situation that you just always
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: want to find if possible. That's for sure. Yeah, I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: mean it is. I mean it's that's a hun percent
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and the nail on the head are are we have
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: absolutely great neighbors. I mean our neighbor Drew owns boarders
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: are farm all the way up and he's got ten
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: or twelve guys that come down and hunt, and we
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: go over there and drink beer with them and hang out.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And you know, Drew's rule is I believe his rule
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: is that if you shoot one, you have to get
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: it mounted right. That's a great rule because then then
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: you have younger guys that if a two and a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: half year old deer comes out and and that's the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: biggest year they were seeing that shoot it right. Good
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: for them. You know, That's that's that's a great aspect
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: of deer hunting. That's part of getting older and and maturing,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: and when when you get good people around and people
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: that you can enjoy it with it, it just makes
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: hunting fun. And fortunately a lot of times in outdoor
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: industry we have gotten away from hunting being fun. Very true,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: very true. Speaking of fun, though, Clinton, what's the most
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: embarrassing hunting related story you can tell me about Frank?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: The most embarrassing hunting related story, Boy, I do not know.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: He's never done. We've we get marked. That's like twenty
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: years of hunting together, three days a week. I mean,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I can tell you a lot of stories that we're
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: not going to be allowed to play on the podcast.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Frank and I've done together, But I'm not sure hunting related.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Any big mistakes he's made, any big screw ups? Well,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I mean he did. I will here's one I'll tell you. So.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Frank hates self filming, okay, And so sometimes, like we
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: talked earlier, gets frustrating when you know you should go,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: but you can't get off work right And normally Frank
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: can't get off work, and I can always get off work,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: but every once in a while I get hung up
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: and I can't. So I always make sure in those situations,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I make sure I stay because we do not want
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to compromise. Is a great situation we have going so
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: this year Frank, Frank, and he was on these deer
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: over to the Grandpa, like we talked early season there
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: there in the summer, and Frank was going on and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I could not get off work. So Frank goes in
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and he's got the decoy and he wants to go
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: decoy to these deer because he knows he knows there
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: his draws. And on the way in he gets out
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of the truck and walks I'm not even sure. It
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: was not very far and seize the deer bettered down
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: with some does and he was black man, what what
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: do I do? So somehow, which this is not typical Frank,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: he comes up with the plan of I'm going to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: set the deer the decoy up. And now I'm not
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: only gonna set the decoy up, this deer's medded fifty
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: yards from me. I'm going to put my camera in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: the deer's antlers. We get this camera and sticks it
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: in the antlers of the decoy, zooms in on the deer.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: It is in perfect focus. I mean it's beautiful, It's
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: framed perfectly. He gets down on his hands and knees,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: crawls out in front of the in front of decoys
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: so the decoys up on this flow rise in the field.
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  Speaker 1: Now Frank's behind the brush crawling towards this betted buck
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  Speaker 1: in the ol timber right, and he can't see him
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  Speaker 1: because of this brush. He gets yards from him. The
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  Speaker 1: winds blow in. The deer has no ideas that he
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: will not get up. Sank is throwing stuff, adding throwing walnuts,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: adding all on video. It is just beautiful, I mean
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: beautiful footage. The deer stands up and Frank the beer
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: ductor barrow dropped to get I'll stop this back. And
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: we didn't put it on the web show because we
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of other stuff that week, but it
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: was it was I'm not saying that's embarrassing, but that is.
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  Speaker 1: The footage is phenomenally. It's just such a different perspective
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: of anything that you've ever seen. And Frank would never
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: think of shoving the camera in the deer's horns, because
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: Frank would have thought, I'm gonna shove the camera in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the backpack and I'm gonna go shoot this deer and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: we'll shoot another one later on. It crossed my mind
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: many times. Yeah, it was pretty pretty intense. Yeah, but
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: so so Frank do you have a story about Clinton. Um,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I mean not really. I mean we've had a lot
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: of a lot of argument in the tree of a
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: lot of me just no, you know, not paying attention
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: to him. But the funniest thing is the embarrassing is
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: when is why I called him in the tree. He
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: he would be like sitting there in his phone or
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: ring and he'll be like hello. He tried to go
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: quiet talking to his wife the tree the most time.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: I tried to video it or just just like to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: shake my head at him. But that's pretty much. I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: think he embarrassing him a little bit that he has
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: to answer the phone when his wife called me. Right well,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: somebid just comes the problem. I would say that the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: one of the most embarrassing moments. Um, besides when I
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: shot Earning the shot him twice, had been killing him
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: in nine days. But besides that, Um, the very first
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: year that we were filming for White and Uple, we
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: had one of those days where we had the first
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: hot do come in and it was it was incredible,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: and we had that was back when we had a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: lot of big deer, you know, before e h D
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: back in the early two thousand's and and there was
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of big deer. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: we had this deer we were hunting and he come
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: in and it was the first time that we were
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: going to get it done and be all jacked up
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: about it, and I shot it right in a freaking neck.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: That was That was very deflating on our our filming thing.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: And then we had three more walked by big deer
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: after the deer that I shot in the neck, and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: we didn't shoot any of the other ones because we
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: just weren't. Yeah, we just didn't know, you know. We
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: we were just like, Hey, we're out here at this camera.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: We're trying to film. You know, We're gonna be somebody someday.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. And then I swhack him
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: in the neck. All I can remember is Frank breathing
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: over my shoulder in that street from camera, and I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: just lost it. Frank definitely better. Frank's definitely a little
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: better under pressure a lot of times when I am
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: for sure. Do you have any uh, anything, Frank that's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: helped you get better at handling that moment of truth?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Anything that's you know, the um bill passed on other
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: people that maybe struggle on that moment um. I think
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: the more you do it, the more I think, truthfully,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I shoot. I like shooting dose. The more if I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: can get to kill a couple of does the first
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: week October, that does wonders for for for me on
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: pressure on like just it just takes the edge off,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: like to settle your pin to to do everything. I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: think that's a big key to me. Like this year,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't get to kill any dose early, and I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: think truthfully it was in my head a little bit
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: because I didn't have to kill the deer before I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: shot my buck. I I think definitely shooting a couple
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: of dose or just just you know, really like that
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: just relieve in stress. That's why I think I've PLA
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: says I'm a killer, but that's that's what I like.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I like to I like to kill a few does
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: the first week just just to take the edge off.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: You are you are a killer. But yeah, that that
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: I agree the person on that. I mean, we've had,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: you know, we've been trying to lay off on them
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: unfortunately the last couple of years because of because the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: h D. You know, we're just down a little bit.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: It's starting to get better again. Um, but we've been
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: trying to lay off all day, and and when you're
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: not kicking stuff, it's like hitting a baseball. If you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: don't go hit a baseball every day, you're going to
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: struggle when you go try to hit baseballs. And when
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you're shooting deer, if you're not shooting a couple three
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: or four deer year, when the moment of truth happens,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: you know, when we all know that there's just so
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: many things that God has to put in front of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: you if we're to happen that if you're not in
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: the right mental state of just knowing that, hey, I'm
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: gonna put this pin behind her shoulder and he did that,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: it's just not gonna work, you know. And and you
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: don't get to that point without shooting live animals and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: getting confidence. Yeah, I think that you know these days too.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I think this is something that some new hunters struggle with, especially.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I think partly you know where to blame, because the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: hunting media shows only people out there having success killing
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: the big mature box all the time. And I think
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: some new people come into it, young guys or girls,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and they think that I have to hold out for
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: a big one, and so they don't shoot deer because
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: they're passing and passing and passing and passing and passing
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: until they get to that big one. And then finally
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: they do have a shot at a mature buck and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: they've never shot there before, or only one or something
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: like that, and now they completely melt down because they
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: haven't had all that experience shooting does or young bucks
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever, just to get to that point. You know,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes that you've got to move up that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: ladder one step at a time. I agree with that, ahead, yeah,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean truthfully, me and Clint can
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: or Clint and I you know how many small bucks
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: and we killed in our life. You know. That's That's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: the thing is, I'm not ever gonna say something about
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: a new hunter that goes and shoots, you know, a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: small buck. That is that's just part of it. That's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: you know, it's good for you. It gets, like you said,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: does take the edge off. It builds your confidence and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and every it knows a bull hunting. If you're not
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: a confident, you're not confident in what you're doing, then
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna mean you're gonna have stuff go wrong, right,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I mean that that nights. You know, the confidence is everything,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: and you cannot build it without killing deer. And you're
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: on a percent right on. You know what the outdoor
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: industry has done because social media and everything, everybody wants
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: to show their pictures and everybody wants to see what
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: Mark's doing, and what's Clunton doing. What's all Frank did this?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: And you know we see it around here. You know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: we got you know, there's a lot of younger guys
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: around here that we know, and we go on blood
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: trails with them. We gonna help people out and we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: do whatever. And you know, hey, shoot too, little buck.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: If you ain't shout out here for shoot whatever walks
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: in front of you. I mean, that's why we're deer hunting,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: because you you can't let the the pressure of what
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: everybody else thinks, or what you think everybody else thinks
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: affect you, know, what you are, what your definition of
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: hunting is to yourself. I mean, that's just like with
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Frank and I hunting. I have a different Sometimes I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: have a different idea what I'm gonna shoot as compared
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: to what Frank's gonna shoot. Frank wants to shoot these deer,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and maybe I don't want to shoot those. But that's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: not that's Frank's definition of hunting to him, and it's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: not my definition of what I'm aim to me. And
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: it's okay, you know, it's okay for everybody to shoot
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: whatever they want to because it's fun. Because the fun
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: part is we're gonna go shoot the deer. Then we're
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: gonna go get the deer with all of our buddies
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna go back in the shed and drink
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: beer and tell him, Hey, would have been a hell
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: of a nice here next year if you let him
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: go for a year, because it's fun to give your
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: buddy scrap and have a good time. And that's what
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and and you know that's that's like I said earlier
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: about Frank's good qualities, that I was getting away from that.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: And fortunately he's always been there. You know, Frank's had
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: to go through a lot with me with my daughter
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: passed away and and just you know, you can imagine
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: that's just a rough time and and you know, getting
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of emotional not having feelings and being a
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: raging butthead sometimes about that and and differ and stuff
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: going on and dragging you back into hey, you know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: sometimes you just have to kill stuff because killing stuff
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: is fun. You know, it is fun. That's why we
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: do it, you know, That's why God put animals on
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the earth for us to shoot them. That's why we're
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: doing Yeah, I gotta gotta let gotta get back to
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: having fun with hunting. To your point, I'm sometimes guilty
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: of that too. I get so worked up. I get
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: so caught up in the process and trying to get
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: this one deer or whatever. And it's easy to to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden find yourself, you know, days and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: days into a hunting trip or something, and realize every
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: day you're just stressing out and frustrated, and you know,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: why the heck am I? Why the heck am I
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: feeling this way? This is supposed to be fun, This
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: is fun, but I'm not letting myself have fun with
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it because I'm worried so much or whatever. Right, right, Yeah,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: when you're having fun, good things happening. True, very true. Well,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's a perfect place to, uh to wrap
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: this one up, because I think that's like just some
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: of the the wisest words I think all of us
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: serious deer hunters can hear um because when it comes
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: right down to it. That's what's all about. So, guys,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: if if the listeners want to see some of your hunts, um,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: where can they go online to find that stuff hunting?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: They go to bowlinging dot com and you can click
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: on the website and get on bow Hunter diets on
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the tab on the top, and you can watch us
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: there on bowling dot com. You can watch us on
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: YouTube or on your roku. Awesome, Frank, do you have
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: do you have any recommended episode that you can remember
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: that if people were gonna watch just one with you guys,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that they should make sure to see. Um. I the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: deer that Clint kills, I don't know what episode it was.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: He kills a giant eight pointer comes right in, uh
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: with Actually a deer that we patterns on the with
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: cameras comes right in and I actually had to I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: had to tell him to stop the deer to shoot it,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: because I thought you can let I felt like Mark Durry,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. He walks out. It was its season three, right, Frank,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: because we killed the ten point of the first year
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: and then that was the second year. Yeah, it's season three.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: It was a deer we called snowbird. Um. He walked
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: out of the grass and was standing these theaters and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it looked like something you'd see. And I while watching
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: all the Dury videos growing up, and I was in
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: such an days that he walked by a five yards
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: and we had designed all the stuff that we've learned
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: about watching Drey videos for that to happen, and it happened,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: and he walked by right in front of me, and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Frank's like, dude, stop him. I can still remember and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: tell me stop him, And I stopped him for shying me.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Scored a hundred and sevent Holy smokes, that's awesome. Well,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: but it's season three. I can't remember exactly what episode
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. Well, I'm gonna find that one and link
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: it in. The blog post for this episode is if
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: anyone wants to go out and watch that, you'll be
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: able to find it on Weird Hunts. So, Clinton, Frank,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for joining me for this.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. Thank you, Thanks Mark,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I ship absolutely, and good luck this season. Yeah you too, buddy,
• 1:16:05
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• 1:16:09
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