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Ryan Cristian on questioning absolutely everything · UK Column Radio

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  Are you the last American Vagabond?
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  Well, I mean, you know, the name, you know, I probably just
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  say no. I think there's plenty more,
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  especially hopefully because of what we do, there's plenty more
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  people out there that embody what I think that represents,
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  you know, And when I first started that it was, you know,
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  not honestly wasn't even really like this defined, you know,
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  like metaphor in my mind. It just kind of jumped into my
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  mind. It was always a big traveller.
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  And I don't know, Vagabond in the sense of just kind of like,
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  you know, travel being the focus, not the destination, not
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  the derogatory way that word can be used, you know, and yeah, I
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  just, it just meant it, it, it felt like something that
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  mattered to me, you know, like that.
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  We're we're because at the time we're travelling a lot.
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  And we were in the RV travelling across the US at that time.
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  And I'd already travelled overseas.
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  And it just kind of like, you know, we're, we're carrying on
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  something like the old kind of like the, you know, and, and the
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  direction always lied, you know, what's the phrase from?
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  And, and the road always LED W, you know, kind of like that
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  mindset. And and so ultimately it
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  developed into something, you know, where I thought Simply
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  put, as it, as looking back at it, I've come to see it as sort
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  of like the never ending pursuit of truth, you know, And so I
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  don't think I'm the only one clearly, I think tonnes of us
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  exist, but even more so even just through the last American
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  Vagabond perspective, I think that because of that, many, many
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  people have now sort of embodied the idea of what that means, you
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  know, never just settling with what somebody told you last, but
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  always seeking more information and always looking for more to
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  develop your understanding. And I think that's powerful, you
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  know, and I think I think we share that.
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  I would add that the the word Vagabond in your instance could
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  be replaced with Vanguard. Sorry, I, I said, I like that.
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  That's thank you. I appreciate that.
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  And you know, and I, I think, I think we all are, you know, I
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  think right now the independent media sphere that where we both
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  share is, you know, it is a, it's an interesting battlefield
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  right now, you know, and it is this constant ebb and flow.
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  And I think right now, more than we've ever seen, and I think the
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  entire existence of this field, we're winning, you know what I
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  mean? Like and, and doesn't feel that
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  way because I think the more we change, the more that these
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  things, you know, despite the propaganda, despite the
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  censorship, despite the every other way that we go, you know,
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  one step forward, 2 steps back in this field, we're still
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  breaking through. Think about how powerful that
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  is, you know, and so it's like they're going to make your life
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  really uncomfortable because that's not what the power
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  structure wants. But but we're getting through,
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  you know, that's powerful, man. And so I just, I do, I, I see, I
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  see it the same way. Where are the front lines of
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  whatever this is right now? Yeah, I like to play around with
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  metaphors like battle of ideas and the trenches, information
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  war, that kind of stuff. But do you think, do you think
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  we really are in an information war?
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  Absolutely 100% like to the truest extent, you know, extent
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  of that phrase, like, but in a, in a lot of other ways too, but
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  just the basic understanding of that.
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  Like we're at a war over what information it, you know, over
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  information, over what it means, over how to interpret it, you
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  know, over what sources are supposed to be, you know, it's
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  like every single element of it down just the core of just like
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  what the meaning of words are, you know, like this is a a long
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  term manipulation. And so yeah, 100% we are in an
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  ongoing information war, a narrative war.
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  But you know, there's all sorts of other ways to get into that,
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  you know, just like kind of like I went into, but even deeper
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  where it comes into like, you know, the definition side of it
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  or like the technocratic sort of social engineering, even to the
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  level of like brainwashing, you know, like they're we're in some
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  or even crazier, like neuroscience, you know, it's
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  like we're getting to some really crazy stuff.
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  But yes, 100% we're in the midst of this.
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  And you know, where it goes is hard to see, but clearly it
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  seems like a lot is on the line. And I think we all sense that.
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  Would you go back, Ryan, to 2019 knowing what you know now?
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  Yeah, well, I mean, it's hard to say because right there's AI get
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  the quote of the question is it's like, you know, it is
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  ignorance bliss, right. And even though we clearly we're
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  not just blinded everything, it's like to for a lot of
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  people, I would say, I think I would yeah, I think probably
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  would share the idea that we were not blinded by like more so
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  the first ones to be like, yeah, that seems like there's
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  something wrong even before we knew, you know, like there's
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  clearly something that was off about that.
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  But to the average person, you know, it's a hard question.
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  Like, you know, is it better to be in a position where you don't
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  know how bad things are and maybe you're happier for it, or
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  is it better to understand how dark it is, maybe be able to
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  change it, maybe not, but then exist within that unsettling
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  reality. It's, you know, it's a, that's a
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  hard question. It's a philosophical question.
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  You know, for me, I think it's obviously my, obviously my
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  choice is the latter. I mean, that's, that's, that's
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  who I am as a person. I would always rather understand
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  and suffer for it than live in ignorance and bliss because of
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  ignorance. I just think that's obvious
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  because I think my core driving point is that I seek to change
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  things for the better. And if you're stuck in
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  ignorance, then there's, that's just simply not possible, you
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  know? So I would definitely stick with
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  where we are now because I still feel very motivated that we're
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  watching things shift for the better, or at least that we have
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  an opportunity to see that happen if we stay with what
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  we're doing. I like what you're saying
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  because it indicates that you're not black pulled.
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  Definitely, that's an interesting thing to bring up
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  because prior to the selection, the election of, you know, the
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  last election process, it was a really weird kind of just to
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  quickly sum it up, you know, we, we, we have been going on for a
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  long time. And I, I point back to people
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  like James Corbett, who I see as kind of a foundational element.
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  It's not the one of the Van Ocean elements in this field,
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  just the idea. Yeah, really seriously.
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  And and even people today that reference him and don't ever
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  have him on for interviews. It's just this weird, kind of
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  like he's not supposed to be acknowledged for obvious
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  reasons. But you know, the idea that he
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  had for a long time been like, you know, vote nobody, 2016,
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  whatever, you know, and I, I always resonated with me not,
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  and obviously, if you understand it, which we should, if you're
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  going to criticise anything, he's not saying, I don't care.
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  That's the whole point of the black pill label is that you
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  know, he's saying that this is a way like if you look into his
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  argument that this is like, I would argue the system's broken.
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  You're not actually process participating.
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  You're giving a false binary or, you know, any different number
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  of ways you could break it down. Even if you think your vote
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  translates the thousand ways that's manipulated, stolen,
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  altered, lied about, you know, and so he's we're argument was
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  always been well, let's just protest, not ignore it.
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  But obviously, on a side note, one of the choices that's
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  supposed to be on your ballot every time is abstention, like
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  legal, recordized, tallied abstentions.
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  That's part of the process that they just ignore.
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  And there's a reason for that because they want you to think
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  not choosing is being not part of it.
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  The point, though, is that we've always been saying that, you
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  know, going and usually relegated to the corner like
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  children. These these conspiracy theory.
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  They don't know, you know, and then weirdly, we've been doing
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  this for a long time, James, even further, we get before this
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  last selection process and we do it again.
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  Vote nobody 2025, you know, and and weird, weird.
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  The response we got like wild from large people that came
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  around, this weird movement, which has been there for a long
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  time and calling it, you know, black pilled and it's a purity
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  test and you're to your point, it's like, well, hold on.
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  You know, we're very clearly invested in this and we have
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  solutions that we discuss. It's like, so the weird thing is
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  those same people later were like, well, they're both bad
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  options. And so I'm just going to pick
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  jump. That's black build.
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  You're giving up by going well, that's all we have, you know, to
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  a small degree. And then there's much more
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  deeper versions of that, but it shows us that there's clearly a
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  vulnerability. At least that's how I read it
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  right, that finally people are starting to go, OK, you know,
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  questioning long held manipulation like Zionism or
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  whether vaccine, you know, all these things are suddenly going,
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  you know, maybe our vote is being manipulated.
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  Maybe it is both sides. And so they just freaked out
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  about it, tried to shut it down. A lot of what we predicted is
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  now happening. But what what kind of came of
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  that is the IMA right. Whitney and Derek and I
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  discussed, you know, OK, this is a weird thing that's happening.
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  It's on it's we haven't seen it like this before.
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  We sense basically the what the mainstream alternative media is
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  becoming, right? And so we said we need to
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  collect and just have like an alliance of people that we think
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  are being honest, objective, nonpartisan, who see through
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  what Zionism is to see through the two party illusion and just,
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  you know, no financial mechanism, just a collection of
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  people that believe in integrity and principles and, you know,
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  crazy, right? And so it just people, they just
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  lost it, you know, and so here we are.
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  And clearly what we were all pointing to is coming to pass
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  and now they're trying to like, turn it into, we all see it now.
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  And it's just, you know, I think it's kind of blowing up in their
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  face. But the black pill thing I think
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  is an important conversation because I think it's like it's
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  it's it's like all the inversion of all the terms now.
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  It's like what they're claiming is somehow, you know, fighting
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  for the future is what is actually being black pilled by
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  letting it all continue down the path when we're trying to stop
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  the bad thing from happening. You know, to oversimplify it.
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  I mean, I have noticed that way too many people, shall we say,
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  on our side, Blackpool, nihilistic, you know, they just
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  give up on everything. There's no point.
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  That's a very dark place to be. Yeah, you know, but it's
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  understandable, isn't it? I don't, I don't agree with it.
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  And I don't think it's, I think it's like the last thing you
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  should do. I mean, like I've always said, I
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  don't care. If I could prove to a certainty
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  that we wouldn't succeed, whatever we think that looks
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  like, I'd still be fighting. I don't know how you can't,
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  right? It's like I it's like it's not
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  in me to just give up and sit back.
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  But you understand it, man. I mean, I think everything in
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  what the power structures are trying to do, one of the major
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  things within it all is to just make you give up, make it check
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  out right, convince yourself that you can't influence it.
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  They already spy on everything. Why even try?
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  You know, it's like that's the that is being black pilled and
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  that's central through the two party paradigm, or at least on
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  the other side, right, That's what that side does and that's
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  and it's really all of it, you know, but you get it, you know,
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  people get. So I mean, part of it is to make
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  you feel like you can't change anything and, and, and really
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  just not care enough to really be involved.
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  But part of it is to get you to utterly check out, even if you
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  care. Because there's so many people
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  in this field that really, really want something positive,
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  would fight for it, but are so overwhelmed by how impossible it
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  seems like getting involved and being one after another
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  dissolutioned by people you thought were going to change the
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  world. If you think politicians are
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  going to change something or movements that get Co opted, you
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  know, so people that have spent 20 years fruitlessly fighting
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  every day tooth and nail to just see the same happening, you just
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  go man, I'm just going to try to enjoy my life like, you know,
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  you understand it. And but again, I agree with you
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  and I think it's like the least productive, it's the most
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  dangerous thing we can do right now, especially because I
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  genuinely think we have more opportunity to never to make
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  something change. Let's just do a quick bio.
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  Give me your background. You know, there's a lot to go
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  over. I think the simple quick
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  background is that this started, but as I was saying, we were
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  travelling. It was me and my friend at the
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  time. And you know, I've travelled a
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  lot over the years like this, this.
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  You can't see the top part of it, where the logo is.
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  Most people know it, but the type this image is I, I took
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  this image of people I backpacked with.
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  This was in Spain. When?
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  When? Shoot, it would have been 20.
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  I have to look it up, 2020. Let me see if it was 2022, like
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  23/20/22. I don't quote me on that, but
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  basically there was a long period of time where I was
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  travelling. It wasn't, you know, what's in
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  the RV 1st we did this. I backpacked our Spain.
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  I, you know, when I was younger, I went to Italy, went to Greece.
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  I've travelled a bunch of countries just backpacking.
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  That's where I kind of had that spirit.
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  And then this was after that where my friend and I decided to
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  take the RV around the United States.
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  And I, you know, I'm, I went to the Cullen Institute of America,
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  Napa Valley. I'm a classically trained chef.
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  That's what I've, I've done my whole life.
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  I love it. I've run restaurants, I've been
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  executive chef and general manager.
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  You know, I, I, I love the high. I've, I've worked at Ella, Ella,
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  Ella in, that's in Sacramento. I've worked in, now I'm blanking
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  on the terms like, you know, places like the, like the French
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  Laundry in Napa Valley, you know, like the high, high, high
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  level stuff I've worked at, at middle grain play.
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  Like I love it, I'm passionate about it.
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  And so I decided to put that aside essentially because
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  something was calling me in this direction.
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  You know, I didn't really think this wasn't even defined just
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  yet. My point.
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  But so the point was I took this picture while travelling, you
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  know, and clearly it was, I think I just lost the train
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  there anyway, you know, so the point was that ultimately I
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  travelled a lot and we went on the back the, the, the RV tour
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  of the United States. And my buddy started a like A
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  blog about sports or something. It was just because he just
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  wanted to. And I said, Oh, that's neat.
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  I want to do that. Like I had no real idea of where
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  it would go. It was just a random spur of the
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  moment idea. The name jumped into my head
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  like out of nowhere, the picture like it all just kind of fell
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  together and started as a, like a cannabis law reform thing.
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  By and large. I'm very, very passionate about
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  the idea, not just of like smoking cannabis.
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  That's sure that that is important, you know, your
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  personal rights and all and just whatever else, but it's more so
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  about the lies around it that seemingly connect a damn near
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  everything else, you know, even foreign policy when you break it
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  down. And so it kind of opened my mind
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  to the massive lies told around what I think is one of the most
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  monumentally, you know, helpful earth changing things, hemp, you
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  know, cannabinoids in general that we've just been like just
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  pulled away from our lives for obvious reasons.
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  And, and so that just exploded over the next probably five
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  years to just be just everything we're being lied about.
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  So it just kind of grew and grew.
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  And, and even at that time, it was just a small little blog and
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  it was me with a couple of people.
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  We were just doing articles, no show.
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  I think the turning point came when I randomly decided I wanted
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  to do some kind of a show. And I, it's funny enough, and I
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  always say this, go back and look at some of the stuff I did
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  like. It's still on there.
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  I think if you, well, I think YouTube's been deleted, but I
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  think you can find it somewhere like one of the earliest videos
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  I did, if not the first one. I've shown it before.
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  It's so funny, the camera's way too close.
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  I'm all uncomfortable, you know, it's like, it's like, but you
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  know, I forced it through and you wouldn't even know because
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  I, I'd failed like 4 times before that and got frustrated,
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  didn't do it. But so I started the show and
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  intended it started out like 15 minutes long.
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  Now it's like 4 hours. But the point was just about
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  trying to inform people. And I think that started to
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  change what this platform was. And then I reached out to
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  Derrick Bros, I reached out to Whitney Webb, who was that time
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  was, you know, just a writer for Mint Press news.
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  You know, did was do it, you know, just just kind of, you
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  know, in the in the field of Mint Press news.
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  And ultimately she was trying, I think, working on some of her
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  writings and want her to come over and work with T labs
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  started writing a lot of that important work and that process.
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  She was writing her book and she built you unlimited hangout, you
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  know, and then Robert in Lakesh, you know, it's really important
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  for me, by the way, to anybody works with me.
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  And now in no way to say I'm like taking credit for that's
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  all them conscious resistance. Derek had way before me just
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  allowing people that work with me at the same time to to
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  continue to grow what they want on their side, because I I've in
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  this field, I've worked with so many people that are like, come
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  work with me and like you're, you know, you're ours, you know,
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  like you can't think, you can't work for yourself, you can't do
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  anything else. And I just respect that.
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  And so my point was that just kind of grew this out pretty
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  rapidly and it grew into more of like a network, an ecosystem of
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  people working together. You know, and Taylor Hudak and
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  Matt are and all different kind of people that work with T lab.
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  And I think that brings us largely to the point where we're
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  at where, you know, it's it's just anything we cover is about
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  trying to breakthrough the illusion.
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  I've gotten a lot more into the day to day stuff lately because
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  I think it's really important to watch this weird transition of
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  the mainstream alternative media.
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  I've just never seen it more obvious.
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  Anyway, I'm kind of rambling beyond it, but the point was,
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  you know, I gave you the the overview of how it came about
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  and you know, from there we've done a lot of other things, you
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  know, you know, I did. We started pirate stream, which
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  is seems to kind of be drifting away, but IMA we started that
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  after like I just told you, you know, and and I, you know, I
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  hope just keep growing this in a in a way that's like a, you
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  know, continuing to gather people that we see really not
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  about opinions, but just about principles, integrity, you know,
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  people that stand by that show their print, their their
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  actions, the precedent they set and the outcome, you know,
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  they're consistent to what they believe in, and that seems rare
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  today within the mainstream alternative media anyway.
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  Back in the early 2000s when 911 happened it, it didn't occur to
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  me that this could have been a cover up.
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  And I think it was only around 2009 when I watched a
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  documentary, I think it was called The Great Global Warming
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  Swindle. That I think might have been my
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  first Damascus moment, my first red pull moment.
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  And when was yours? It's funny, I get we get that
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  question. We used a lot more, but every
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  time it comes up, it's, it's weird because I think it was
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  more, that's the right word for it measured, I guess.
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  But like, it wasn't as like the some massive shoe that dropped
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  for me, you know, like so I, I remember watching, I woke, I
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  remember waking up on 9/11 and seeing that.
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  What were you doing, by the way? What's that?
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  What were you doing? Sorry.
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  So I just woke up, I was at my house.
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  I woke up and walked out and the TV was on.
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  Weirdly, nobody was in the room. I just, the TV was on and I
• 16:24
  walked out and was like, what? And I just saw it.
• 16:26
  And weirdly enough it didn't, wasn't some like, you know, it
• 16:29
  was weird how it was shocking like, oh, that's crazy.
• 16:32
  But it wasn't like some, Oh my God, you know, it's like until
• 16:34
  I've fully begun to understand, like what seemed to be, you
• 16:37
  know, all of it. But even at that time, I was
• 16:39
  just like probably just taking largely what was being
• 16:41
  presented, you know, and but very early on in this
• 16:43
  conversation, it started to develop into something, you
• 16:46
  know, there's just suspicious parts about it that even at that
• 16:48
  time when I was really not in the know for the most part, you
• 16:51
  know, that I was just picking up on, I think it became around the
• 16:55
  development of this site and the people that I overlapped with,
• 16:58
  you know what I mean? I started because, you know,
• 17:00
  I've always been very open minded and wanted to hear
• 17:02
  people's opinions. I loved talking about things
• 17:04
  that, you know, fringe idea, you know, you can call that
• 17:07
  conspiracy theory, but it's plenty of things that are just
• 17:09
  even like fringe science ideas, you know, things about outer
• 17:11
  space, you know. So ultimately I was always
• 17:14
  really open to just these ideas. And once I started to talk to
• 17:17
  people, interview with people, like one of the earliest things
• 17:20
  I did way before the show, even the website was barely going on.
• 17:23
  I always, I think his name was Dara.
• 17:26
  He was a blind guy that ran a radio station.
• 17:28
  He's a good guy and like a like a local kind of his own
• 17:30
  personal, you know, broadcast radio thing.
• 17:33
  And he liked the show or the website stuff.
• 17:35
  And he saw me online and reached out to me and said, Hey, like,
• 17:37
  you know, come, come on the show, came on the show.
• 17:39
  And then that was the first time I started.
• 17:41
  He wanted me to continue to do the show with him.
• 17:43
  And so we started coming to the show and he was really into all
• 17:46
  these different things. And we started doing a thing on
• 17:47
  the show called Conspiracy Crossfire, where we basically
• 17:50
  had a big hat full of like every conspiracy listed that we and we
• 17:53
  would just draw and talk about at the end of the show.
• 17:55
  And so it like, you know, you start to learn more and
• 17:57
  understand these things. And even just from an
• 17:58
  entertainment perspective, which by the way, I think is part of
• 18:01
  this, it's kind of weaponized today that people are like more
• 18:04
  in like the reality TV version of a lot of this.
• 18:06
  But my point was that the entertainment value of it all is
• 18:09
  just it's excites, entertaining. It's interesting to read about
• 18:12
  these crazy ideas. My point is that over this time,
• 18:14
  it really evolved for me, you know, like kind of like a slow
• 18:17
  growing process where I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
• 18:19
  That's what happened. And I mean, I, there were things
• 18:21
  like I saw James Corbett do something about like Oklahoma
• 18:24
  City. I don't know, like just so many
• 18:25
  years ago. I remember going, even then
• 18:28
  going like, Oh my God, like, so that guy too was like MK Ultra.
• 18:31
  You know, it's like you just, you don't realise how finding
• 18:33
  the, how many of these things interconnect even to this day.
• 18:36
  I will research something. For example, I looked into
• 18:38
  Rwanda. It was the, the, the anniversary
• 18:41
  of Rwanda. How was the, how was hate using
• 18:43
  that word? For some reason, anniversary
• 18:44
  doesn't seem appropriate. And I looked into it with what's
• 18:47
  going on today. And I just figured, you know,
• 18:49
  like I, I know that there was an overlap with Israel, but I'm
• 18:51
  curious to die further. Never really done that.
• 18:53
  And I was absolutely blown away by how shockingly clear and
• 18:56
  obvious it was. If you don't know this, by the
• 18:58
  way, Israel's was like arming and involved with that genocide.
• 19:01
  Same with Bosnia, same with South Africa running theme here.
• 19:04
  The point is that I was blown away by how easy it was to prove
• 19:07
  right on the surface arming them with Uzis and machetes.
• 19:10
  Anyway, I'm just going like, Oh my God, that blew my mind.
• 19:12
  And so even to this day, I still find that I blow into new
• 19:15
  theories, you know, and I go, wow, that changed my mind.
• 19:17
  So I, you know, I think that's what a lot of people go through.
• 19:20
  I think the whole kind of shoe dropping awareness of certain
• 19:22
  things. I think that represents that
• 19:24
  people that they were already sort of aware, you know what I
• 19:27
  mean? Like they were seeing it but not
• 19:28
  allowing themselves to accept it.
• 19:29
  And that was kind of the moment that brought it all together.
• 19:32
  As opposed to where I think I was always pretty sceptical.
• 19:34
  And it just kind of grew for me as I learned more, which is kind
• 19:37
  of a different way about it. But you know, it's, it's
• 19:38
  different for each of us. The COVID era for me was very
• 19:42
  exciting on so many levels, but one of the reasons is because it
• 19:47
  appeared to me that a huge number of people were quote
• 19:51
  unquote waking up. However, Ryan, I don't know if
• 19:55
  you've noticed the same thing, but it appears now that all
• 19:59
  those people have gone back to sleep.
• 20:02
  You know, it's weird how to be, there's a lot of factors to
• 20:04
  that, you know, yes, I think in a lot of cases, which is always
• 20:07
  how it tends to go, is that you have moments of awareness like
• 20:10
  we're dealing with right now, which is what I always point
• 20:12
  out, and that there's always something, an event, you know,
• 20:15
  maybe organised, maybe hoax, maybe PSYOP or maybe an organic
• 20:19
  event that they use and who knows?
• 20:20
  But you know, never let a good crisis go to waste.
• 20:22
  The point is that there's always something that comes along, It
• 20:25
  shocks people back into place, feels less likely today, to be
• 20:28
  honest, today feels different. It really does.
• 20:30
  But that's always what happens. So after that, there was
• 20:32
  something else, you know, and people, they, it's usually
• 20:35
  partisan driven and it drives you back into like people that
• 20:38
  have like warped their identity around partisan politics, which
• 20:42
  I also think is dwindling. And so it just kind of shocks
• 20:44
  them back into place because they feel like they have an
• 20:46
  obligation to do so. And so I know there was a lot of
• 20:48
  people throughout COVID that kind of fell into that trap that
• 20:50
  still I think we're sceptical of some of the other things, but
• 20:53
  are now, you know, maybe kind of lost in other new narratives.
• 20:55
  But there's also an element to that of people that were not
• 20:58
  really even, whether they were aware or not, were using that
• 21:01
  awareness to kind of straddle, you know, kind of sidle up next
• 21:05
  to this movement and use it to benefit themselves maybe for the
• 21:08
  next agenda. This is what I always see
• 21:10
  happening. I see it happening right now,
• 21:11
  not to name anybody in particular, but people that I
• 21:13
  think are like one step removed from mainstream media who
• 21:16
  suddenly go, I see you, you know, it's real bad and whatever
• 21:18
  else, or did it during COVID rather to make the point.
• 21:21
  And we're like, you know, these are killing people.
• 21:23
  We see it now and, and getting people, Oh my God, they see it
• 21:26
  now. Look at that.
• 21:26
  They're finally coming around. And then the moment that they
• 21:29
  had an opportunity or it was important to them to pull you
• 21:32
  back into something partisan, that's what they did.
• 21:34
  And a lot of us started to recognise or even right back
• 21:36
  into the COVID-19 thing, promoting mRNA shocks the moment
• 21:39
  it was in their benefit. The point is, I think a lot of
• 21:41
  them recognised an opportunity to use that momentum to benefit
• 21:44
  them or the stab, the power structure did the same.
• 21:47
  And so I think those two things exist.
• 21:49
  But overall, I still think that most people came out of that
• 21:53
  different, you know, a little bit more aware if you know, to
• 21:56
  1° or another. And evidenced by the fact that
• 21:59
  even Democrats at this point are, you know, even right early
• 22:01
  during the, the, what was it the Omicron, I think, and right
• 22:06
  after just as a notation for time, whatever you think that
• 22:09
  means that they're most Democrats at that point were
• 22:12
  were resisting the, the like the 6th booster, whatever it was the
• 22:15
  time. And I remember thinking that was
• 22:16
  so crazy because they, these are people that have taken every
• 22:19
  shot like dutifully, or at least a lot of them and were telling,
• 22:22
  telling you, you were a bad person for not.
• 22:24
  And then suddenly there was that 6 was too much for them, right?
• 22:27
  So, and, and your and their government was going that's
• 22:29
  important. You have to same thing they said
• 22:31
  before, so showing you that there was a line for them and
• 22:33
  even they stopped. And now it's like more than half
• 22:35
  of even healthcare workers are refusing these shots.
• 22:38
  And that that was on the FDA. They said that in the last
• 22:39
  interview they had. And so I'm just going like, wow,
• 22:41
  man, that that didn't go away. Now, maybe they're lost in the
• 22:44
  Israel conversation. Maybe they're lost in the
• 22:46
  immigration conversation, but that is a powerful thing to
• 22:49
  think about. And honestly, last point to
• 22:51
  this, I truly believe that more than anything right now,
• 22:54
  regardless of the different parts and stances, the vast
• 22:57
  majority of people are very disillusioned about everything
• 23:00
  government. I think that's a.
• 23:01
  Good thing that's a good thing. I completely agree.
• 23:04
  But at the same time, Donald Trump has done a magnificent job
• 23:08
  of bringing millions of people back into the system.
• 23:12
  I, I speak to a lot of Trump supporters and I'm not anti
• 23:15
  Trump. I like, you know, I'm, it's not
• 23:18
  one or zero. I like some things that he says
• 23:20
  and does and I don't like other things that he says and does.
• 23:23
  And I know that he's a puppet and he's only really essentially
• 23:25
  middle management. Yeah, I mean, it's it's the same
• 23:27
  thing we were just talking about.
• 23:28
  People want to believe and same point as the bad stuff before I
• 23:32
  understand. I get why we've been conditioned
• 23:35
  to desperately seek somebody to end all the bad things.
• 23:37
  You know, it's like it's easy to see how this has been
• 23:39
  constructed. And so it's like, wait, somebody
• 23:40
  comes out and goes, I promised to end all those bad things.
• 23:43
  Oh my God, somebody's even, you know, nobody's even pointed to
• 23:46
  those things before, you know, and we saw that with his last
• 23:48
  administration, the Fed 911 lock her up, you know, and it's like,
• 23:52
  they're good people. Shut up.
• 23:53
  We're going to leave alone, you know, it's like, it's like, OK,
• 23:54
  clearly that was used and the same thing we can see today with
• 23:57
  Maha and, you know, every other argument.
• 24:00
  I mean, it's just it's embarrassing to see how many
• 24:02
  ways they've continued. And then you get people like cat
• 24:04
  turd on Twitter to come out and go, we're winning, Everything's
• 24:07
  great. And I'm like, here's the living
• 24:08
  embodiment of that meme. That's like, this is fine.
• 24:10
  The house is burning down, you know, and it's it's clear that
• 24:12
  they're just trying to corral people into it.
• 24:14
  But, you know, I, I think that a lot of people are trapped back
• 24:16
  into it. But I do still think that people
• 24:19
  like, look at Epstein, you know, I mean, that has fractured them
• 24:21
  right now. Now, you could argue that's
• 24:23
  because of how bad they handled that.
• 24:25
  I mean, Trump coming out and calling it a hoax after it was
• 24:27
  driving their momentum seems pretty stupid and ill advised.
• 24:31
  But clearly, if that's possible, then it was already building
• 24:33
  right there. You know, and I and I do see
• 24:35
  that. I think a lot of my point was, I
• 24:36
  think more people at this point are sceptical whether or not
• 24:40
  they're conservative Republican, MAGA support Trump, They're
• 24:43
  like, OK, something's wrong. Whether and and really what it's
• 24:45
  coming down to, which I think is important to start considering
• 24:48
  is they're still, most of them are like, I still support Trump
• 24:50
  or even RFK junior, but they're being manipulated, right?
• 24:54
  They're being blackmailed by Israel or RFK is being
• 24:56
  blackmailed by something. And so it's like, OK, maybe I
• 24:59
  would not even that's probably likely even.
• 25:01
  But that doesn't just, you know, remove them from responsibility,
• 25:04
  but might that gives them a pass that gives them an ability to
• 25:06
  go. We all still love Trump and he's
• 25:08
  the great guy, but it's Israel doing it.
• 25:10
  And now how Trump gets around that, especially when you start
• 25:13
  to understand that he is completely taken by Israel, is
• 25:16
  that's that's the confounding moment for them.
• 25:18
  And I think that's why right now the government, not just the one
• 25:20
  side of it, is really concerned about where this is going.
• 25:23
  You know, and at last, I do think the technocratic side of
• 25:25
  it is their last effort to sort of, you know, get us to a point
• 25:28
  to where our opinions don't matter anymore.
• 25:30
  But Ryan, haven't you followed the latest queue drop?
• 25:33
  Trust the plan, bro. Right, exactly.
• 25:36
  Military tribunals, like I remember when we were covering
• 25:39
  that, I remember talking about that before it was even called
• 25:41
  queue, follow the white Rabbit. You know, all these different
• 25:43
  people that were out there talking about, you know,
• 25:46
  helicopter crashes and Marines and saying, you know, these
• 25:48
  there's these stories that were circling right when that was
• 25:50
  kind of going around. And I remember laughing at it
• 25:53
  going like, well, interesting. But where?
• 25:55
  Where's the the source material? Yeah, look, look at that
• 25:57
  consistency all the way back to that.
• 25:58
  Where's the source material? How can you prove these things?
• 26:00
  And so it evolved. And even at the beginning, I'm
• 26:03
  thinking, OK, like maybe this is interesting.
• 26:05
  Like what if you actually have people in the government that
• 26:08
  are, you know, secretly seeking to change it for the better, you
• 26:11
  know, and it's like, OK, so let's let's follow this.
• 26:13
  And it became wildly evident right before it even shifted
• 26:17
  into being partisan that this was this was weird, right?
• 26:20
  There was something off about this, the way people were
• 26:22
  assuming about what it meant. That was obviously a bad sign,
• 26:24
  right? And using that to make
• 26:26
  arguments. But the most obvious point was
• 26:28
  where it was like just hard shift into Trump MAGA, you know,
• 26:32
  Republican when in the very beginning it was talking about
• 26:35
  how the parties were a lie and how it's like, so something
• 26:38
  didn't it was a manipulation from the very beginning.
• 26:40
  As far as I'm concerned, at the OR at the very least, there was
• 26:42
  some kind of an element that got hijacked and they used it for
• 26:45
  the same problem. I don't really know.
• 26:47
  I think I think it comes back to the evidence showing that this
• 26:49
  was a manipulation from day one. And if there's certain people,
• 26:52
  you could argue we're most likely behind it, you know, but
• 26:54
  it's clearly using for the, you know, to perpetuate that same
• 26:57
  problem. But I mean, I honestly can't
• 26:59
  believe people still give any kind of credence to that.
• 27:02
  But despite how many times it has been proven to be completely
• 27:05
  wrong. But then you make the same point
• 27:07
  about Alex Jones. You make the same point about
• 27:09
  everything the corporate media says or everything the
• 27:11
  mainstream alternative media says, but they just keep going
• 27:13
  back for more. Some of them, anyway.
• 27:15
  What do you mean by the term mainstream alternative media?
• 27:19
  I I saw David Icke about a year or two ago using it and it was
• 27:24
  the first time I've ever seen it being used.
• 27:26
  Yeah, I think he coined it to be honest.
• 27:27
  I think he's the one at least, you know, you know, really
• 27:29
  popularised it. That's at least where I, I
• 27:31
  picked it up from. And it is, you know, so the
• 27:34
  mainstream media just represents corporate media, you know, like
• 27:37
  the like a captured business, not about information, you know,
• 27:41
  it is about using information to control opinion.
• 27:44
  That's self evident at this point on top of the fat and very
• 27:46
  partisan driven elements. But on top of that, we can see
• 27:48
  that it's been infiltrated by intelligence.
• 27:51
  You know, there's 100 examples of that right to this very day.
• 27:53
  So mainstream alternative media, in my opinion, first is the
• 27:57
  extension of that same manipulation because they're
• 28:00
  aware that nobody listens to mainstream mainstream media
• 28:02
  anymore, right? So early on, and we're talking
• 28:04
  like at least David would point back to like some of the earlier
• 28:07
  days of like the independent media becoming really a
• 28:09
  recognised thing that they were like immediately trying to Co op
• 28:13
  people trying to, you know, start new, like, you know, get
• 28:17
  people that like, like, and I don't know who you can make your
• 28:19
  opinion, you know, decide about like a Megan Kelly Tucker.
• 28:21
  But I think what's interesting is these are people that like I
• 28:23
  said, like half a step removed from corporate media.
• 28:26
  And now like, you know, we're we're calling out the the
• 28:28
  problem and it just feels very suspicious to me, you know, any
• 28:31
  number of them. But so then it evolved into a
• 28:33
  little bit further, which we see today, which is like this clear,
• 28:36
  kind of like, you know, not just the people that moved away from
• 28:40
  mainstream and started saying things, but people like, you
• 28:42
  know, random that, you know, came out of nowhere, like random
• 28:45
  TikTok guy that came out of win. Within six months, he's got 10
• 28:47
  million followers and he's endorsed by everybody in the
• 28:49
  field. Go ahead.
• 28:51
  Ian Carroll does it. Well, there's one of them.
• 28:53
  Yeah, there's plenty of them. You know what, it's interesting
• 28:54
  to watch. And my my point is always that
• 28:57
  I'll, I'll make it. A general point is, is that I
• 28:59
  think right now the majority or let's just say a large part, if
• 29:02
  not the majority of mainstream alternative media are people
• 29:05
  that aren't even consciously aware that they're being used.
• 29:08
  Well, you know, whether that's AI, literally don't see it
• 29:10
  because I just don't care or it's willful ignorance.
• 29:13
  I don't want to look where that funding is coming from because
• 29:15
  then it will stop my momentum or, you know, whatever it is, or
• 29:17
  audience capture through the same kind of mechanisms.
• 29:20
  I think a lot of people are, you know, being used in that way and
• 29:24
  and are, you know, you people are you're a shill and they will
• 29:26
  go, no, I'm not. And they truly believe they're
• 29:28
  not. You know, it's like it's an
• 29:29
  interesting development, but there are still the ones that I
• 29:31
  think are absolutely knowingly like intelligence or working for
• 29:35
  a foreign government or working for the US government or
• 29:37
  whatever it is. Clearly, I think that's obvious.
• 29:39
  But so that's what it is to me is kind of like the new
• 29:41
  adaptation of that control structure through the the thing
• 29:44
  that they saw taking over the structure, which is alternative
• 29:47
  media. So they just mainstreamed it,
• 29:49
  right, started Co opting, capturing, you know, creating
• 29:51
  their own fake independent platforms, Newsmax and one
• 29:54
  American news. You know, it's like it's just,
• 29:55
  you know, on left and right, by the way, it's it's just your
• 29:57
  government doing it. But that's what I mean by that.
• 29:59
  And today it's just evolved into something that's becoming more
• 30:02
  cartoonish by the day. How much of everything that's
• 30:06
  going on around us, Ryan, do you think is by design and by
• 30:10
  emergence it's. Hard to say.
• 30:14
  I would I, I would not question everything like if somebody was
• 30:19
  like, I'm making a fair an argument about why they think
• 30:21
  every single thing that we ever see is in some way influence
• 30:24
  control. Honestly, that seems very
• 30:26
  possible today and it would surprise me, but I do think
• 30:28
  there's organic things. I mean, I like, I think I can
• 30:30
  speak for myself which don't don't take my word, question
• 30:33
  everything I do go look to the source material.
• 30:36
  Don't take my word, but you know, I'm, I'm organic.
• 30:38
  I'm honest, I'm not influenced by anybody.
• 30:40
  I decide every day what I want to talk about.
• 30:42
  The funding is by donation only. There's nobody you know, it's so
• 30:45
  I know that there are organic things in this and I know that
• 30:47
  we have some level of success. So I would never say that
• 30:50
  there's not possible. There are people out there that
• 30:52
  are genuinely doing things for the right reasons that get some
• 30:55
  level of I just don't think we're ever at a point where
• 30:57
  you're ever again going to see anything like organically go
• 31:00
  viral unless that's something the structure wants to allow.
• 31:02
  I think that has been the way for a long time.
• 31:04
  And so, you know, it's hard. That paints a picture of even
• 31:08
  if, like I said, even the people out there that may not know
• 31:11
  they're being manipulated are in some ways being done in some way
• 31:14
  being manipulated. So that that's just an influence
• 31:17
  level. You can see how that can trickle
• 31:19
  through almost everything we see.
• 31:21
  I mean, the mainstream media, for example, or media Hollywood,
• 31:24
  it's not a secret. I mean, if you know that
• 31:27
  Pentagon, I was involved with movies like toy Toy Story, which
• 31:29
  you can look up for yourself, you know, to propagandise you to
• 31:32
  be pro America. It's like this is everywhere.
• 31:34
  So there's nothing free. Anytime they have an opportunity
• 31:36
  to try to put something in front of you for even if they think
• 31:39
  it's for your benefit, they rationalise that you thinking
• 31:42
  that's going to save the country.
• 31:43
  The point is still the same that it's not real, right.
• 31:45
  And so I think it's obvious that we're at a very weird state
• 31:48
  where with algorithms and AI manipulation and large language
• 31:51
  models and digital twins. And, you know, we're at a point
• 31:54
  where I don't even think we truly grasp how far we've gone
• 31:57
  to, to in that direction. You know, or you could take it
• 31:59
  even a step further just to have a conversation about it for fun,
• 32:02
  that maybe we're living in something that's not real in the
• 32:04
  1st place. You know, it's like there's a
• 32:06
  lot of different ways to look at it, but I, I think it's a lot of
• 32:08
  what we deal with is just manufactured, influenced, lied
• 32:11
  about, you know, sadly enough, but that's again something we
• 32:13
  can change. Your Hollywood comment is
• 32:15
  actually very, very well taken. I mean, if you think about any
• 32:20
  movie that has the FBI or CIA in it, they are always the good
• 32:23
  guys. Well, you know, it's funny.
• 32:25
  I, I, I agree with that. But there, there, there have
• 32:28
  been time, like I've noticed a shift over the years where, you
• 32:31
  know, there was a time like that was the case where it always
• 32:33
  kind of seemed that it was, you know, they're saving the day.
• 32:35
  And then there was a period where it almost kind of almost
• 32:38
  always ended up being like the corporate villain who was taking
• 32:41
  advantage of them. And that's not the same story.
• 32:43
  But then it became like intelligence, like a like a, you
• 32:47
  know, like Mission Impossible, where it is the US government
• 32:49
  that's doing the bad thing, but it's also the US government
• 32:51
  saving you. And the lot, the narrative is
• 32:53
  the rogue agent that goes up on his own, you know, who saves you
• 32:57
  from the villain government. OK, So the logic is don't get
• 33:00
  mad when the government breaks the rules to save you.
• 33:02
  Isn't that exactly what Trump's kind of overarching narrative is
• 33:05
  right now? You know, it's just funny.
• 33:06
  It's like the whole point is predicted programming, you know,
• 33:09
  And that's the idea is these things are done not just to
• 33:11
  subtly convince you that America is great or whatever they want
• 33:14
  you to think, but to convince you of very specific ideas.
• 33:17
  Like here a weird example, which we could you could people
• 33:20
  rightly if people have a reason, it's not illogical or how to say
• 33:24
  that, right? The movie White Noise that came
• 33:26
  out before East Palestine. It's just, I thought I just
• 33:29
  talked about it again 2 days ago.
• 33:30
  It's so weird, not the movie, but just East Palestine that you
• 33:34
  could easily look at that and be like coincidence, you know what
• 33:37
  I mean? But and crazy coincidence bound
• 33:40
  right down to the smoke, the sky, the location, which is
• 33:43
  insane, you know, or everything else that happened and just go
• 33:46
  like, was there something to that?
• 33:48
  You know, was this designed to to put, you know, give us a
• 33:51
  certain impression about who knows?
• 33:53
  But it's certainly like mathematically speaking, think
• 33:56
  about how hard the odds of that at every location in the world,
• 33:59
  this one place is the same place, which is the same way the
• 34:01
  sky look, which is the same event, You know, it is really
• 34:05
  weird. But I I think that that speaks
• 34:07
  for itself. I can add to it.
• 34:09
  You're saying during the COVID era, I stumbled across a movie
• 34:14
  called Contagion. I don't know if you've heard of
• 34:16
  it. Yeah.
• 34:17
  Came out, I think in 2011. I'd never in my life heard of
• 34:20
  the movie, and I watched it and the hair on my arms stood up
• 34:23
  because everything was precisely how it played out.
• 34:27
  Yep. Yeah.
• 34:28
  Even the term, even the term social distancing was in the
• 34:31
  movie. And I had never heard that term
• 34:33
  before 2020. I know man.
• 34:35
  And see this is the weird thing. Now you can go back and look,
• 34:37
  can see that there were rumblings of this like outlines
• 34:41
  and I'm sure you've seen that like, you know, and this was pre
• 34:43
  COVID-19, but it was clearly used and introduced during this
• 34:47
  time frame. But that they were having models
• 34:49
  like, OK, let's let's not forget event 201 was before this all
• 34:51
  started. Even before that you have
• 34:53
  Crimson contagion, you've got event 201 or a, a dark winter.
• 34:56
  And you know, there's tonnes of them.
• 34:57
  And if you look back these exercises, there's even some for
• 35:00
  spars going forward. We passed the date arguably was
• 35:03
  supposed to happen, but you know, it's not always exact if
• 35:05
  that's even the way that works. But the point is that in those
• 35:07
  if you look, they sure as hell outline this stuff, you know,
• 35:11
  social distancing, masks, different quarantine dynamics,
• 35:15
  or even the idea of stuff that we never even heard of before.
• 35:17
  Like you know what all everything we experienced all
• 35:20
  the crazy things of the way they treated elderly people.
• 35:23
  But the weird thing was how in most of these like U.S.
• 35:26
  government run exercises like spars, for example, if you read
• 35:30
  this, it I still this still blows my mind.
• 35:32
  They frame themselves as the villain.
• 35:35
  They literally have part of the story where they the media
• 35:38
  catches them lying about part of the story.
• 35:40
  And I'm going like they're they framed themselves as the
• 35:43
  deceptive liars. It's like, how do we not take
• 35:45
  with that show? They know?
• 35:46
  I mean, I mean, I don't know how you would frame that.
• 35:48
  Is that because they know we see them that way?
• 35:50
  Is that just sort of like undermined?
• 35:51
  That's the truth? I don't know, but I still find
• 35:53
  that very telling. And then what do you know?
• 35:55
  They get caught lying about every single thing about the
• 35:57
  story. You know, it's very weird.
• 35:59
  But yeah, your point is well taken that this was either
• 36:02
  socially engineered into our minds to sort of accept that
• 36:04
  that's what would happen, or it was just something we're testing
• 36:07
  our ideas on it. Like there's a part of that the
• 36:09
  people don't think about. A lot of it can be just test in
• 36:12
  the waters, you know, rolling it out in a specialised
• 36:14
  circumstance to see how we respond or doing exercises with
• 36:17
  communities and how do they act when we do that.
• 36:19
  You know that happens a lot, by the way.
• 36:21
  How do you philtre what you read and see?
• 36:25
  How do you know what's true, and how do you know what's not true?
• 36:28
  Thank you. Question everything you don't
• 36:29
  right until you can prove something.
• 36:31
  And even then you still got a question whether you could be
• 36:32
  missing something, right? And people hate that idea.
• 36:34
  That's just being genuinely objective.
• 36:36
  You know, it doesn't mean you, you know, just do nothing all
• 36:38
  the time. The point is that, you know,
• 36:39
  you, you look to source material and you report based on what the
• 36:42
  facts show as best you can, while always keeping your mind
• 36:45
  open to the fact that you could be missing something.
• 36:46
  Like you don't have to always state that, that that's, that
• 36:48
  should be sort of self evident if we weren't in such a clouded,
• 36:51
  ridiculous part of our, our history.
• 36:53
  That's why that's I, I, I jokingly call it irritatingly
• 36:55
  objective, even though it's just being objective.
• 36:57
  You know, it's like people are just so unused to that.
• 37:00
  But you know, it's, it's my process is everything I can and
• 37:04
  it like, so let's take it like this.
• 37:06
  East Palestine happens or, or anything like that.
• 37:09
  I dive into the story media, right?
• 37:11
  What are they saying about it? What's being reported?
• 37:12
  Who's there? What's going on?
• 37:13
  At least as they claim, Where's the source material to what
• 37:16
  they're claiming? What are the what are the
• 37:17
  agencies involved saying? Compare it to what they wrote,
• 37:20
  right? Let's find.
• 37:20
  And once you have someone like Scott C Smith on the ground, OK,
• 37:22
  what is he seeing compared to what they said?
• 37:24
  And you know, you keep these things saying go all the way
• 37:26
  back six months later and go look at what they said day one,
• 37:29
  that contradiction out, you know, things like that.
• 37:31
  But you always question all of it.
• 37:32
  None of us taken at face value, whether it's CNN or whether it's
• 37:35
  an independent investigator or somebody right next to me
• 37:37
  working all along my team, you know, it's like you question
• 37:40
  everything and it shouldn't be insulting.
• 37:41
  That's just because we could be wrong, right?
• 37:43
  We could genuinely believe we're right and be missing something.
• 37:46
  And so you you absorb all of it. You can.
• 37:48
  My point is, if you're just kind of looking at everything all
• 37:50
  day, you have to kind of fine tune your, your focal point,
• 37:53
  right? And so you go to a story and
• 37:54
  you're investigating that story. My point is you look at every
• 37:57
  possible data point you can and try and come to your own
• 37:59
  conclusions about it. And you know, and usually you'll
• 38:01
  find some kind of a, you know, a series of information or you
• 38:04
  know also, by the way, most important, I think precedent.
• 38:07
  No, that doesn't prove right. But when these things start, you
• 38:10
  go, OK, what's Norfolk Southern been involved in before, right?
• 38:13
  What happened the last time there was an, a disaster?
• 38:15
  How did they handle that? What do the narratives say?
• 38:17
  What, what did it end up being? Right.
• 38:19
  And then you look and you go, okay, there's some comparative
• 38:21
  points here. And so, yeah, right there.
• 38:23
  This is what mainstream media and mainstream tend to do is
• 38:26
  that you go, you know, you kind of sprawl into that based on
• 38:29
  that that happened. Therefore, we know they're
• 38:30
  guilty. And even if they are guilty
• 38:32
  later, you were still dumb and irresponsible for doing it based
• 38:35
  on your assumption. That's the way this grows today.
• 38:37
  But I get that. I think that explains, you know,
• 38:39
  just everything you can possibly look at.
• 38:41
  And I think I try to err on the side of what you can prove or
• 38:43
  always, if that's, you know, if it's available, that should be
• 38:45
  the only thing you're really using to guide the story is what
• 38:48
  you can actually prove on the ground what's actually
• 38:50
  happening, you know? And then for me, I followed up
• 38:52
  on these stories. They go forward.
• 38:54
  You know what, what have they done things that people, you
• 38:56
  know, the new story comes, the 24 hour news cycle goes crazy
• 38:59
  and people drift in the background.
• 39:00
  People don't find out that, for example, Norfolk Southern was
• 39:03
  caught in court admitting that they withheld information from
• 39:07
  the Volunteer Fire chief. That was that vinyl chloride was
• 39:11
  actually treated vinyl chloride, which meant it was very unlikely
• 39:14
  to explode. Still, most people don't seem to
• 39:16
  know that. I've said that like 1000 times
• 39:18
  on my show and Fire Chief himself alluded to the idea that
• 39:21
  he was somewhat railroaded, no pun intended, in that same
• 39:24
  point. Basically saying, you know,
• 39:26
  giving him limited information and then like forcing him to
• 39:28
  feel like he has to make a choice, choosing to explode this
• 39:31
  and then finding out that it wasn't even necessary.
• 39:33
  Like there I still argue there was something that happened
• 39:35
  there, not to get off on that topic, but that we don't even
• 39:37
  understand something very weird went down there beyond what else
• 39:40
  happened. I'm convinced of that.
• 39:42
  But you know, so the point is you keep following these things
• 39:44
  and the stories become clear, you know, at least as much as we
• 39:46
  can. And I you just got to continue
• 39:48
  to be objective as it goes forward.
• 39:50
  But do you question everything? I mean, I've had flat earthers
• 39:52
  on my show and I must tell you, I've had some of the best
• 39:56
  discussions with them. It's an interesting topic to
• 39:59
  that very point. I had a show I did a long time
• 40:01
  ago called, I think it was called flat.
• 40:04
  I think it was just called Flat Earth theory Colon, an exercise
• 40:07
  in keeping an open mind. That's what it was, you know,
• 40:09
  And so I did and I researched just for quite a while because,
• 40:12
  you know, same even to this very day, I get people that are like,
• 40:14
  you know. You didn't even look and here
• 40:16
  you got to check this link out and it's like, you know, I look,
• 40:18
  it does. Look flat though.
• 40:19
  I mean, it does look flat if you're honest with yourself.
• 40:22
  Well, no, no, the point, the point is that the, I mean, look,
• 40:24
  I, I think my Long story short, I went through it very in depth
• 40:28
  and, you know, everything anybody's ever sent me, plus
• 40:30
  everything else I could find, and I researched my, you know, I
• 40:33
  don't think that's what the evidence shows.
• 40:35
  But what's interesting is that it's like, it's like with the
• 40:38
  moon discussion, OK, if you find things like Antarctica, if you
• 40:41
  find all these different, you know, things you can prove, for
• 40:43
  example, like faked photographs. Now, does that then prove they
• 40:47
  didn't go? No, it proves something
• 40:49
  happened. They lied for some reason.
• 40:51
  One of the options could be that's the case.
• 40:54
  Same with the Earth thing. OK, you know, there's all these
• 40:56
  different examples that I think are, I think I conflated those
• 40:58
  things, an Arctic Flat Earth. The point is that the moon or
• 41:02
  any of those conversations, there's evidence to suggest that
• 41:04
  something's awry. To jump to that that's what it
• 41:07
  means in my opinion, is kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy.
• 41:11
  You know, it could mean that there could be logic around
• 41:13
  that. And there's plenty of very
• 41:15
  interesting points to suggest, like Antarctica and and and and
• 41:20
  is Colonel Byrd. Yeah, it's bird, I think.
• 41:24
  I think it's Bird. It is Bird, but it's, I forget
• 41:26
  it's a different Colonel or whatever he was his rank.
• 41:29
  Was he Admiral Byrd? I think it's what it was.
• 41:33
  He Long story short, I'm sure you remember there's very weird
• 41:36
  stuff about what happened there and maybe no one's allowed to go
• 41:38
  over. There's all these different
• 41:39
  things around that story and including the scientific stuff
• 41:41
  that I think is very strange. The radar stuff.
• 41:44
  I agree. These things stand out to me as
• 41:45
  you can't deny the weirdness of that.
• 41:47
  What does that mean? Could mean that or it could mean
• 41:49
  something else. So my Long story short, I don't
• 41:52
  think that's what it proved, but yes, very much so.
• 41:54
  Always an open mind. And I'll give you one more point
• 41:56
  that I think is important. This kid, this people get put
• 41:59
  this to me almost, they think it's going to be a gotcha
• 42:00
  moment. Oh, yeah, I question everything.
• 42:02
  What about God? I'm a Christian, right?
• 42:04
  And I go, yeah, I leave it, you know, wait and see what they
• 42:08
  say. Like as if, you know, most
• 42:09
  people respond like what? You don't believe in God?
• 42:11
  It's like, you know, you have to think this through first of all,
• 42:15
  now and I I never, I make a very big point to not overlap my
• 42:18
  religion with politics. I think they're they're
• 42:20
  inherently counterintuitive. 1's based on faith, one's based on
• 42:23
  facts. It's like I can't stand when
• 42:25
  people in the mainstream alternative media blend their
• 42:27
  religion with their politics. That's manipulation.
• 42:29
  It's propaganda. Now my point though, is that in
• 42:31
  this conversation, can I question whether God exists?
• 42:34
  Yes. Question everything I question
• 42:36
  do I think is it possible? That's not not yes, I do I
• 42:40
  choose to have faith. That's what religion is.
• 42:42
  If you think out there that you believe in God because you know
• 42:44
  for a fact, then you don't understand how this works.
• 42:46
  Probably you know it's inherently based on the choice
• 42:48
  to have faith that that's the case.
• 42:50
  That's my personal response. That's my personal life right
• 42:52
  and so I choose that, but am I willing to consider a question?
• 42:56
  Is it possible that I'm wrong? Yes.
• 42:58
  That's not blasphemous because I then choose to have faith about
• 43:01
  that. My point though, is that we
• 43:02
  every single thing in our lives, everything we should be willing
• 43:05
  to stand back and go is it possible that I'm wrong?
• 43:08
  Is it possible there's something I'm not seeing the changes this
• 43:10
  entirely and genuinely go yes, that is possible.
• 43:13
  Then you're not being honest with yourself, right?
• 43:15
  And that's an important thing. It's weird how how uncommon that
• 43:18
  even is today. And I think that's by design.
• 43:20
  But even saying that and explaining it as as I did that,
• 43:23
  I think it's just very clear You still get people, people they're
• 43:26
  Christians. They say, yeah, believe you're.
• 43:28
  It's blasphemous. And I think it's just funny that
• 43:30
  they've been convinced somehow that like, you know, same kind
• 43:32
  of people, by the way, that would tell you that God sent
• 43:34
  Trump, things like that, or, you know, on both sides of the
• 43:37
  paradigm. But a lot of it seems to centre
• 43:38
  around, you know, somehow like this is some godsend idea.
• 43:41
  And you talk about blasphemous, you know, that's idolatry, but
• 43:44
  in a different conversation. You shouldn't be afraid of what
• 43:48
  the answer might be, because if you're searching for the truth,
• 43:51
  then the truth will be revealed. Yep, one way or the other.
• 43:55
  And and the point is to question everything.
• 43:57
  That doesn't mean deny anything. That's the whole, in fact, it's
• 44:01
  funny how that gets taken as dismissing.
• 44:02
  In fact, the words mean the opposite.
• 44:04
  If you're questioning everything, you're engaging
• 44:07
  everything, every source, every possible data point.
• 44:10
  It's The funny thing is question everything's the tagline because
• 44:13
  that's just a concise tagline. But the, the real idea is
• 44:16
  question everything while considering all possibilities.
• 44:18
  But that's not as nice to say, you know?
• 44:20
  So it's just that's the real way to look at that, you know, and I
• 44:22
  think everyone's beginning to see that, especially today as I
• 44:25
  mean, almost every 30 seconds now there's some new story
• 44:28
  proving that the government lied or that these people in media
• 44:31
  were lying about this or caught working for somebody else.
• 44:33
  And, you know, and so people are just one after another or
• 44:35
  COVID-19 are starting to see that there's it's just smart to
• 44:39
  question these things. I don't know how to ask this
• 44:43
  question. So Ben Shapiro, I think he
• 44:47
  coined the statement facts don't care about your feelings.
• 44:50
  And I've and I've often, and I've often said that he's not
• 44:53
  correct in that because human history is about storytelling
• 44:57
  and narratives. Yes and no.
• 44:59
  I mean, I think what you're talking about might be two
• 45:01
  separate things like like so I would argue, especially with
• 45:03
  what we do that there is empirical truth.
• 45:05
  There's that doesn't mean we always agree on that like right.
• 45:08
  I mean, there scientists can disagree on what they think is
• 45:10
  the empirical truth, but I do think that there is one truth
• 45:14
  about what we're talking about. You know about one there it
• 45:16
  could that's that that's like the universal reality in my
• 45:18
  opinion. You know that there is a
• 45:20
  provable like the to argue, like to argue that there are
• 45:23
  different truths about one thing would come from like a
• 45:26
  philosophical like quantum mechanics kind of point.
• 45:29
  You know, like like that we like that your reality is only for
• 45:32
  you. You know, it's a whole different
• 45:33
  idea, but so if we're talking. About anism, yeah.
• 45:36
  Yeah, right. But if you're just talking about
• 45:37
  just information and we're not getting into the philosophical,
• 45:39
  then there's the truth, right? There's one truth about 1 fact
• 45:42
  or one idea, right? Did this happen or not?
• 45:44
  There's one answer. Now we can debate that.
• 45:46
  But so what's interesting is your point, though, is that
• 45:48
  these the way that information can move is very much connected
• 45:52
  with emotion, with feeling, with, you know, with just the
• 45:55
  what's exciting. But at the same point, you know,
• 45:57
  just how, how you can tell the story the right way.
• 45:59
  And over the years, even before we had TV media, you know,
• 46:02
  sitting on the fire, telling stories to keep history going, a
• 46:05
  lot of times that became blended with what what made the story
• 46:09
  exciting to repeat, you know, what got it to become a story
• 46:12
  that people wanted to hear. And a lot of times that was
• 46:14
  folded in with myth. And, you know, and, and these by
• 46:17
  design in some cases to make sure that these stories
• 46:19
  continued. You know, there's all sorts of
• 46:20
  different things like that. But so I, I don't disagree.
• 46:22
  I think there's a lot of that to it, but to Ben's to what Ben was
• 46:25
  saying, which I agree with, even though today he's showing that
• 46:28
  he doesn't agree with that, which I think is hilarious, is
• 46:30
  that, you know, the point is facts are facts and they don't
• 46:32
  care about whether you don't like them.
• 46:34
  It's the real point he was trying to make, you know, at at
• 46:36
  the time when he was pointing at woke college kids doing the same
• 46:40
  thing he's not doing for Israel, you know, and it's just too
• 46:42
  embarrassing to watch. They literally don't tour about
• 46:45
  cancel culture and and using, you know, shutting down speech.
• 46:49
  And now they're doing the exact same thing for woke right Row
• 46:52
  flakes and snowflakes. You know, it's the same thing.
• 46:54
  But yeah, I, I think that it is important to consider both, you
• 46:57
  know, that clearly emotion plays a factor and that's how
• 46:59
  propagandists very much use it against you.
• 47:02
  But that remember that there is, when it comes down to source
• 47:05
  material and truth, that there's just one fact when we're talking
• 47:07
  about the information. I got very excited now when you
• 47:10
  said work right, because it's something that I've also pointed
• 47:13
  out and I keep getting pushed back.
• 47:15
  Oh, it can only exist on the political left.
• 47:19
  No, it exists everywhere. Well, because it's not about
• 47:23
  it's see, this is the people that say that only think woke
• 47:26
  means pronouns and and and trans.
• 47:28
  It's not what it means. It's just these these are this
• 47:31
  is the way that they choose to view it like it.
• 47:33
  OK, but even if you want to take their argument, wouldn't they
• 47:35
  say cancel culture? Yes, they would, right.
• 47:38
  So if we're talking about them shutting down speech around anti
• 47:40
  semitism, even these people can obviously see that's the same
• 47:44
  thing if if not just a slightly focused version of it.
• 47:47
  I argue that's really what was the whole point.
• 47:49
  Regardless, it's not about what it is.
• 47:51
  I mean today clearly Zionism is real and the influence that's
• 47:55
  important to them and that's why that's the focus in one way.
• 47:57
  But from the point of why it's being used from like a control
• 48:00
  structure point, it's the same outcome.
• 48:03
  It's about controlling speech or control using speech to control
• 48:06
  you, right, And not just to censor you, but to use that as a
• 48:09
  justification to deport people, to arrest people, to remove
• 48:12
  citizenship, to spy, to surveil to 100 different things we could
• 48:16
  list off right. So it's clear that those things
• 48:18
  both play a factor. But so obviously the woke right
• 48:20
  or that we jokingly call the bro flakes.
• 48:22
  You know, it's like it's it's all about it's cancel culture.
• 48:25
  It is, it is, is censorship around speech, right?
• 48:29
  It's, it's, it's, it's, it's ideological manipulation.
• 48:33
  I mean, that that's what this comes down to.
• 48:34
  And it's, it's very clear to see that it exists on both sides.
• 48:37
  I mean, right now, like, for example, you saw people like
• 48:39
  Libs of TikTok after the after the whatever you want to call
• 48:42
  the shooting for Trump at Butler There, there was people that
• 48:46
  there was, what was it? 1 was a woman who worked at Home
• 48:48
  Depot who, Yeah, who made a very tasteless joke that said, man, I
• 48:52
  wish the guy was a better shot or something like that.
• 48:54
  Clearly she's talking about hoping Trump was killed.
• 48:56
  But if you can't take a step back and realise how many people
• 48:59
  on the right have made exactly similar comments about Biden or
• 49:02
  whatever the point is, yes, that's distasteful.
• 49:04
  But she obviously has a right to say what she thinks, right?
• 49:07
  And obviously done in a way that was meant to be a joke.
• 49:10
  Point is, criticise it. But they went after her.
• 49:13
  They found out who she was. They got her name, they got and
• 49:16
  it was tweet, tweet and captain and quoted and they kept going
• 49:19
  and, you know, lived with TikTok, shared it and they got
• 49:20
  her fired from her job. Why was that not exactly what
• 49:23
  the left was doing to anything they didn't like about the
• 49:25
  right? You know, we all know it's the
• 49:26
  same thing. If we're being honest with
• 49:27
  ourselves, the people that are trying to scream it's not are
• 49:30
  the ones that are only invested in one side of the paradigm, and
• 49:33
  they're part of the problem, whether they know it or not.
• 49:35
  Is Israel controlled by the US or is the US controlled by
• 49:38
  Israel? That's a fair question.
• 49:40
  And I think it's an opinion, you know, and I think I think plenty
• 49:43
  of people make the argument that it's the US dictating.
• 49:46
  And by the way, there's plenty of points that seem that make
• 49:48
  that seem logical, you know, that the US is ultimately the
• 49:51
  one dictating Israeli. And one of the larger reasons,
• 49:54
  Israeli policy, one of the larger reasons people make that
• 49:56
  point today is because, and rightly so, that you can see
• 49:59
  that the US government, if they decided to, could stop funding
• 50:02
  right now and the war would largely collapse, right?
• 50:05
  And so you can easily go, OK, well, then they're controlling
• 50:07
  it. But that's, that's, that's not
• 50:09
  fact. That's a logical conclusion
• 50:11
  based on the way that appears, right.
• 50:12
  So clearly it's only one point though.
• 50:14
  So to stop, to answer your question, I, I think it's
• 50:16
  obvious if you look at my work, I think it's very obvious that
• 50:19
  the Israeli government has shocking level of influence, if
• 50:23
  not complete control over U.S. policy.
• 50:24
  And what's wild today is it's I mean, it's gone so mainstream
• 50:29
  that people Glenn Greenwald was just saying in regard to
• 50:33
  Republicans being in Israel, that he I think his caption was
• 50:37
  politicians going to speak at their home district when they're
• 50:40
  in Israel talking to Netanyahu. Like that's what he's saying.
• 50:43
  George Galloway talking about how weird it is that they're all
• 50:46
  going to bow at the Wailing Wall.
• 50:47
  Like these are things that used to be roundly called anti
• 50:50
  semitism, even by some of them. And now it's like the point is,
• 50:53
  it's not hard to see. It's not about I mean, look,
• 50:56
  there's an overlap to religion because of what Zionism does.
• 50:59
  And we can get into that if you want to the that sell them.
• 51:02
  The leading Israeli human rights group openly calls it Jewish
• 51:05
  supremacism because that does exist.
• 51:07
  But it's not just about Judaism. There's plenty of Jewish groups
• 51:09
  that actively call out Zionism. So we have to be objective about
• 51:12
  that, right? But clearly it does exist.
• 51:14
  The point is that this is this overwhelming thing moving
• 51:18
  religion from it. That is on the surface that you
• 51:21
  can see not just AIPAC, but any number of ways that the Israeli
• 51:25
  society, Israeli government, Israeli entity, Israeli
• 51:28
  intelligence are like publicly immersed with what this country
• 51:32
  is to the point to where half most of our Congress is willing
• 51:35
  to go against their own constituents interest, interest
• 51:38
  for what Israel wants. I mean, right on the surface,
• 51:40
  shouting down people who are going to vote for them because
• 51:43
  they don't think they're doing the right thing.
• 51:44
  At what point have we ever seen that?
• 51:46
  Historically, what we remember of politicians is they're wishy
• 51:49
  washy. They'll say whatever they need
• 51:50
  to say to get your vote right. Except when it comes to Israel.
• 51:53
  That's a very common statement. Except when it comes to Israel,
• 51:55
  when it comes to U.S. politicians, you know, it's,
• 51:57
  it's very clear to me. The evidence is go far back.
• 51:59
  Things you want to go shows that there has been provable evidence
• 52:02
  of that, whether it's infiltration, assassination,
• 52:04
  blackmail, you know, which is easily provable.
• 52:07
  But then you go into things like evidence of Netanyahu talking to
• 52:10
  his own people, leaked evidence of him saying, oh, wait, it's so
• 52:13
  easy to control the US government.
• 52:15
  I put the left versus the right. I'm paraphrasing, but that's
• 52:17
  what he was insinuating. And it's so easy to manipulate
• 52:19
  them. Don't worry, we can control
• 52:20
  them. You know, it's like very clear
• 52:22
  or how many times that he has driven the US government, you
• 52:24
  know, to war, right, for the Israeli government, like every
• 52:28
  single one from, you know, you can go down the list has been
• 52:30
  for Israel, you know, so it's obvious that's the case.
• 52:32
  But I, I would argue that's very similar to a lot of other places
• 52:36
  in the world. Now, I can't speak to as much
• 52:38
  insight like I, I'm focused on what's happening here, but the
• 52:41
  UK, France, for example, it's, I think it's the same thing.
• 52:44
  I think it's of Germany. I think it's very obvious and
• 52:47
  whether that's just oh, good, good, good.
• 52:48
  So. I was going to say JFK wasn't
• 52:50
  all that keen on Israel though. Yeah, really the good point,
• 52:52
  right. So JFK, it was just before he
• 52:56
  was killed, the two main things that are about what were
• 52:58
  happening was he was calling to register APAC as a foreign
• 53:02
  agent. And it was, I think it was
• 53:04
  called something different when that was happening.
• 53:05
  But the point was they were they were trying to register them.
• 53:08
  And I've covered in the show, I'm just blanking on what it's
• 53:09
  called. They registered, He wanted them
• 53:11
  to register as a foreign agent under FARA.
• 53:13
  Then he died and they changed the name and they pretended it
• 53:16
  was an American company. And it's, you can look it up in
• 53:18
  Wikipedia. It was an Israeli thing.
• 53:20
  They that was created by Israeli government and Israeli people.
• 53:22
  And it was not about just Americans in Israel or in the
• 53:25
  United States who are Jewish. It's Israeli company or rally in
• 53:28
  a group, then it's, it's right. It's easy to prove.
• 53:30
  And so they became the most influential lobby, over 80% of
• 53:34
  politicians on left and right very clear.
• 53:36
  That's a that's a an obvious problem.
• 53:38
  But my point was it was JFK. So that was one thing and it was
• 53:41
  the other thing was the Damona Nuclear Research plant research
• 53:46
  facility. They wanted that to go away
• 53:48
  because clearly they were working on nuclear weapons,
• 53:50
  right? And JFK died and those things
• 53:52
  went back to the background there.
• 53:54
  That's not hard to see, right? And we all can.
• 53:57
  I mean, it's provable evidence today they have nuclear weapons
• 53:59
  and they only country in the world that's we even give a name
• 54:02
  to it, not publicly, but in the background.
• 54:04
  It's called nuclear ambiguity. Only country in the world that
• 54:07
  gets that. And they've even accidentally
• 54:08
  said they've gotten them many times.
• 54:10
  And the US government still refuses to acknowledge that
• 54:13
  there's, you know, you can only have so many one thing.
• 54:15
  Like, how do you say it like that?
• 54:17
  There's things that happen that you don't see happen anywhere
• 54:21
  else other than the relationship between the US and Israel.
• 54:23
  And I mean, like, not just like their friends, you know, passing
• 54:27
  random things, but like weird anomalies or things they choose
• 54:30
  not to say or things they'll do against their interests.
• 54:32
  And it's only in this relationship.
• 54:34
  So, you know, this is my point is everyone does see this and
• 54:36
  I'm not trying. I, I rarely am hyperbolic.
• 54:39
  I'm rarely kind of the kind of person that will make a
• 54:40
  statement even like that. But I've been saying it's like
• 54:43
  with COVID or anything else, guys, it's, it's easy to see the
• 54:45
  whole world ever other than the governments that are
• 54:48
  manipulated, the people broadcast propagandising around
• 54:51
  it are very aware of what's going on right now, just to
• 54:53
  varying degrees and what they think is happening, but at least
• 54:55
  that they're committing a genocide in plain daylight that
• 54:58
  everyone's a part of that they don't want to stop.
• 55:00
  It's just insane to me. It's coming for landing.
• 55:03
  Give me a nugget of wisdom, a parting thought.
• 55:06
  Well, you know, it's kind of like the stuff we talked about
• 55:08
  today. My, my whole thing today.
• 55:10
  You know, what I'm really trying to stress on people is stress to
• 55:13
  people is, you know, we have these moments throughout
• 55:15
  history, and I've seen there's been plenty of them in the past,
• 55:18
  where you, you have these moments of awareness or, or
• 55:21
  other different, you know, kind of things, moments of possible
• 55:24
  change that are, that are very clear, right?
• 55:26
  People are, you know, that we're, let's put it this way,
• 55:28
  that the power structure is for one reason or another, kind of
• 55:30
  vulnerable. And it's obvious that we have a
• 55:32
  moment to do something right now.
• 55:34
  And, you know, I was saying the same thing when like we had this
• 55:37
  really worldwide kind of moment for a week or so and it still is
• 55:41
  continuing. But like right around when the
• 55:42
  protests were starting in colleges, right?
• 55:44
  And of course, you saw this massive thing that turned into
• 55:47
  framing them and lying about what they were doing, you know,
• 55:50
  and turning it into they're all racist and they Jews, even
• 55:52
  though it was put on by Jewish organisations, even though there
• 55:54
  was largely Jews that were there.
• 55:55
  It's insane what happened. But the point is that then bold
• 55:58
  over into what the immigration thing is.
• 56:00
  But the point was this became a worldwide movement.
• 56:03
  I talked about this. It was like I was, I was like
• 56:05
  moved by it. And, and this wasn't, you know,
• 56:07
  people in this country love to box everything into left and
• 56:09
  right as we see it, but it's not the same everywhere.
• 56:12
  There's different, different conservative, liberal leanings.
• 56:14
  But the point is that along around the world, people from
• 56:17
  all walks of life, all religions, all different
• 56:19
  political standings were screaming about this.
• 56:22
  Not just that we need to stop what they're doing, but the the
• 56:24
  kind of the sentiment that we are all Palestine, right?
• 56:26
  That this is not about Palestinians alone.
• 56:28
  Yes, what they're genocide, what they're doing to them is the
• 56:31
  most important thing to me in the world right now.
• 56:32
  But the point is that this is larger than that.
• 56:35
  And they know that they're the ones trying to tell you that.
• 56:37
  Like the whole argument that they always say that if we don't
• 56:39
  stop Hamas, you're next. The reality is the other way
• 56:42
  around, right? The reality is that if we don't
• 56:44
  stop what they're doing, which we're already seeing, ask
• 56:46
  Lebanon, ask Syria, ask Egypt, ask anybody else in the greater
• 56:49
  Israel, you know, boundary, and then beyond that, what they're
• 56:54
  already talking about Smotrich and the rest.
• 56:55
  So the point is that this is going to expand.
• 56:57
  And let's be clear, biblical rather religious Zionism, which
• 57:01
  seems to be half of Trump's cabinet, if not more.
• 57:04
  Huckabee Hegseth, like openly, proudly Miller.
• 57:08
  They believe, and you could ask Smotrich and Ben Kvir and the
• 57:11
  rest, they believe that the West has to collapse before the, you
• 57:14
  know, Israeli government to make it simple.
• 57:15
  Well, kind of control the world. That's America first.
• 57:19
  There are people that are in Trump's cabinet who who believe
• 57:21
  that that's how this should go. You know, So just recognise that
• 57:24
  we're at a moment where we can actually step up and change this
• 57:26
  and the world sees it. I've never seen a better
• 57:29
  opportunity to see something really change.
• 57:31
  And, you know, maybe we can talk about living in a world with no
• 57:33
  government. I'd love to have that
• 57:34
  conversation, but that might be a little too much for people.
• 57:36
  But just see how we can change things today.
• 57:38
  And I do think it's it's more possible than ever.
• 57:40
  So thanks for having me on, brother.
• 57:42
  I'd love to do this again. Just quickly how can I follow
• 57:45
  you? The the, any platform for the
• 57:49
  most part, the tag, the tag is usually TLA, Vagabond, Twitter
• 57:53
  or Gab, anything else. But as always, I recommend, you
• 57:56
  know, and like I mean literal, most platforms other than the
• 57:58
  ones we've been censored from, which are quite a few, you can
• 58:01
  find us that way. But I recommend, as always,
• 58:02
  going directly to the website thelastamericanvagabond.com.
• 58:05
  And I always say, don't let the platforms, whether the ones you
• 58:08
  trust or not, be the conduit between you and our information.
• 58:11
  Go right to the source, right? Go to what we're saying on the
• 58:13
  website, you know, and, and then from there, if you want to, you
• 58:16
  know, broaden out or, or rather do that to any websites you
• 58:18
  like, right? But go right to the source.
• 58:20
  I think that's important both because of, you know, you're, if
• 58:22
  you're supporting us through YouTube or Rumble, well, you're
• 58:25
  really supporting Rumble to a degree, you know what I mean, as
• 58:27
  opposed to going right to the site and watching it there.
• 58:29
  I think that's important. But thelastamericanvagabond.com
• 58:33
  and we will have more coming around a few other things like,
• 58:36
  well, I guess I don't think it's a website, but we're going to be
• 58:38
  having like an IMA page for the Independent Media Alliance on
• 58:41
  the Odyssey portal coming. And I'll point that as it comes
• 58:43
  along. But yeah, large of the website.
• 58:45
  So thanks for having me on.