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DIDDY VERDICT WATCH · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Diddy loving it. Disorder in the court. Why a jury feud?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Agniffilo used one old tired phrase after the next.
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Speaker 1: She wanted it, she got paid. It was just homemade porn. Really,
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Speaker 1: as if that's the defense.
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Speaker 3: The jury and the galley was looking like, sir, what
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Speaker 3: are you talking about?
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Speaker 4: That was a very cringe moment.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that was way cringing straight out to Tisa
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Speaker 2: Tale standing by at the courthouse Teas Tale star off
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Speaker 2: Tisa Tales on YouTube TSA.
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Speaker 1: What happened today in court?
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Speaker 3: Diddy's team got humiliated by Judge Rowland. He has had
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Speaker 3: e enough. Mark Agnifilio stood up and did his best Gianna,
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Speaker 3: we really honestly think, and Judge Aaron cut him and said,
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Speaker 3: I don't care what you think. As you know, the
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Speaker 3: jury's been passing notes back and forth. Now a lot
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Speaker 3: of people say that the jury is signaling that they
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Speaker 3: are pointing to the heart of the case, the part
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Speaker 3: the prosecution wanted to wanted them to pay attention to.
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Speaker 4: But that's not important.
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Speaker 3: What's important is yesterday the judge gave instructions. Listen, the
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Speaker 3: jury acts the specific instruction if I give if you
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Speaker 3: give drugs to a friend, if a friend asks for
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Speaker 3: drugs and you give drugs to a friend, is that
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Speaker 3: the same as distribution?
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Speaker 4: Short answer, of course it is.
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Speaker 3: However, the judge gave both sides a specific charge. He
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Speaker 3: told them, listen, I'm gonna have to answer this question.
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Speaker 3: Tell me what you think this should say. Mark Agnefiel
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Speaker 3: had almost twenty four hours and came back into the
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Speaker 3: courtroom and said, listen, we think we shouldn't say anything.
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Speaker 4: We're think that you should just give them the whole statute.
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Speaker 3: He Judge Aaron literally cut them off and said, I
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Speaker 3: don't care what you think. It was a tense back
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Speaker 3: and forth. Can you follow my directions? Well, I think
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Speaker 3: can you follow my directions?
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Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 4: Or no?
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Speaker 3: Well, Yanna, we kind of think I don't care what
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Speaker 3: you think. You Can you follow them or are you
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Speaker 3: unwilling to yes or no? Mister Agnifilio. Mister Agnifilio finally said,
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Speaker 3: I mean yes, I can follow whatever you want to say.
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Speaker 3: He tried to move on, but we really think he
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Speaker 3: cut them off again. I don't care what you think.
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Speaker 3: He said, I'm not leaving these jurors at sea. The
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Speaker 3: prosecution stood up and said he's trying to mislead the jury,
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Speaker 3: and Judge Aaron then repeated it do what you want
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Speaker 3: and what you want me to say and what you
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Speaker 3: want to propose is akin to misleading the jury and
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Speaker 3: we are not.
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Speaker 1: Going to do this.
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Speaker 3: Did He's team seemed crushed, they were furied, they were.
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Speaker 4: Doing all the stuff.
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Speaker 3: Judge Aaron would not let them even get air to breathe.
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Speaker 3: He has had enough and when you think about it,
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Speaker 3: it is ridiculous what they were actually expecting them to do,
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Speaker 3: just to give them no guidance for the sake of
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Speaker 3: what so diddler touchy Roll can walk free.
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Speaker 4: And just so you know it was bad.
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Speaker 3: Afterwards, Janie Colms literally because we went to break. After that,
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Speaker 3: Janice Colms literally stopped Westmoreland and Brian still in the
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Speaker 3: right when they were walking out of court to have
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Speaker 3: a talk with them.
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Speaker 4: She was still seated.
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Speaker 3: You couldn't see her face, but her body language was
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Speaker 3: very urgent, and Westmoreland and Brian Steell spent about seven
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Speaker 3: to eight minutes trying to soothe Jani's colm And then
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Speaker 3: after that. An hour or two later, Didy's sons and
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Speaker 3: even his baby's mom, Dana Tran started trickling in.
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Speaker 4: So again, whatever's going on, it looks.
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Speaker 3: Like the delusion land that Ditty and his family has
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Speaker 3: been living in it cannot pulled up against what's going
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Speaker 3: on with these juror notes being passed back and forth
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Speaker 3: on top of.
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Speaker 4: The other bombshells dropping.
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Speaker 3: It looks like Diddy's team has been getting more losses
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Speaker 3: during Dury deliberation than they ever then when they got
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Speaker 3: during the trial, Shapiro looked furious.
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Speaker 4: It's expected she's going to be the appellate lawyer.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: However, they have been saying back and forth, we want
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Speaker 3: to preserve our objection, preserves our injection.
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Speaker 4: Now what is that?
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Speaker 3: I'll leave that to the lawyers to decide. But one
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Speaker 3: thing is certain is Judge Aaron is sending the message
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Speaker 3: he does not care. Every time now they try to preserve,
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Speaker 3: he literally gives them a slow blink for three seconds
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Speaker 3: and says, yeah, okay, let's move on. Another interesting thing
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Speaker 3: that happened in court was the Cassie Factor again.
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Speaker 4: Marine called me this set to get job on.
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Speaker 3: His closing, maybe even too good because Diddy's teams suffered
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Speaker 3: a second bombshell in court when two notes were actually
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Speaker 3: taken were rushed out from the jury room. Those notes
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Speaker 3: had to do with Cassie. They wanted to hear Cassie's
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Speaker 3: testimony again. They wanted to hear what happened in Cans
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Speaker 3: Kansas is one of the things where Ring Cally pointed
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Speaker 3: to for the sex trafficking. And last, but not least,
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Speaker 3: they wanted to hear what happened with Daniel Phillip. Who's
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Speaker 3: Daniel Phillip. Well, if you believe or Ring called me
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Speaker 3: in her closing.
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Speaker 6: She is.
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Speaker 4: He is the only ex escort that on the docket.
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Speaker 3: She actually showed this testimony, admitted that he had sex
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Speaker 3: with Ditty and Cassie for money. When those notes came out,
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Speaker 3: Diddy was sitting there when I say it looked like
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Speaker 3: he wanted to just He didn't know whether to stand up,
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Speaker 3: sit down, whether to.
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Speaker 4: Be happy or just sad.
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Speaker 3: At first, he thought it was going to be hopeful
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Speaker 3: that it's like when they read it, he realized, wait,
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Speaker 3: that's this isn't helping me at all.
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Speaker 4: He looked to his team. His team looked gravely concerned.
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Speaker 3: They activated, They were on their laptops, on their mobiles,
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Speaker 3: flipping through everything they can.
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Speaker 4: They asked for more information.
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Speaker 3: They tried to argue their point in front of the
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Speaker 3: judge as much as they can. But it looks like
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Speaker 3: despite Mark Agnofilial's ugh highly massages in this badly timed
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Speaker 3: comedy show of a closing, it looks like the prostitution
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Speaker 3: pointed to where the bodies were buried and the jury
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Speaker 3: has their shovels out ready to dig. This is bad
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Speaker 3: for Diddy and he is looking stressed. And as the
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Speaker 3: family keeps coming in during the day and we expect
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Speaker 3: probably they'll be here tomorrow. If the jury doesn't come
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Speaker 3: back with a verdict tomorrow, it looks like something is
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Speaker 3: going to come down soon.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Sydney Suner Crime Stories investigative reporter. So
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Speaker 2: far and counting at least five jury questions, shall we
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Speaker 2: start at the beginning or should we take them in
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Speaker 2: reverse chronological order? Look, this is what I know. I
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Speaker 2: know when your jury isn't getting along, when they've only
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Speaker 2: been back there for about an hour and a half,
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Speaker 2: you got a p I mean a problem. I'm talking mistrial,
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Speaker 2: hung jury split verdict that kind of problem.
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Speaker 1: Let's go in reverse chronological.
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Speaker 2: Sidney, what was one of the most recent questions from
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Speaker 2: the jury that came in early this morning about ten
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. They hadn't been back there forty five minutes.
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Speaker 7: Tell me what happened, well, Nancy, Apparently they requested transcripts
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Speaker 7: from two of the witnesses testimony. We don't know what
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Speaker 7: charges they're considering when they're asking for these transcripts, or
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Speaker 7: who they are asking to review, but that's what's coming
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Speaker 7: out of the courtroom right now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric Fattus joining me veteran trial lawyer, joining us
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Speaker 2: out of the Denver jurisdiction. Founding partner Varner Fattus, elite
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Speaker 2: legal for my purposes, former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: Fattus.
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Speaker 2: You can absolutely tell which direction the jury is headed
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Speaker 2: in by jury questions. The first question came out about
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Speaker 2: actually it was more of a complaint the jury saying
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Speaker 2: that one of the jurors could not follow the judge's instructions. Look,
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Speaker 2: it's not like the judge went home and over dinner
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Speaker 2: just came up with some instructions. This is the law,
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Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law. The jury
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Speaker 2: must use to decide the case. For instance, the definition
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Speaker 2: of sex trafficking, the definition of drugs with intent to distribute,
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Speaker 2: the definition of kidnapping. They are the legal definitions. What
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Speaker 2: does that mean? He can't follow the law? What the hey?
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Speaker 2: And what paus fatus hey? Sydney Sumner? This jurar that
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Speaker 2: can't follow the law. Doesn't he have like a bunch
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Speaker 2: of graduate degrees.
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Speaker 7: Yes, he is a PhD in molecular biology. Now it's
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Speaker 7: unclear exactly what he does for work. He said that
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Speaker 7: he was a scientist, but he also at one point
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Speaker 7: said he was a veterinarian. But yes, this is a
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Speaker 7: very intelligent person, at least in booksmart's very academic.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric fattis every defense attorney's dream come true.
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Speaker 1: You've got a guy. Let me just go ahead and put.
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Speaker 2: It out there, a nerd. Look, I'm really proud. I
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Speaker 2: got a lot of brainiacs in my family. I'm not
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Speaker 2: claiming to be one, but a lot of brainiacts, okay,
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Speaker 2: including my two children. So I'm all about the brainiacs.
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Speaker 2: But when you have somebody that's all book learning, no
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Speaker 2: street smarts at all, he's like, freak ofugh, what what
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Speaker 2: I didn't study that in molecular biology class when I
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Speaker 2: was getting my PhD. All his education aside, and I'm
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Speaker 2: already telling the children they've got to get a PhD someday.
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Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
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Speaker 2: But Eric, when you have a gr R within two
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Speaker 2: hours says I can't follow, I'm not gonna do that.
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Speaker 1: What.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, a curious development here, And you know, in trying
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Speaker 8: to decipher what this could mean, one thing it Forstured
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Speaker 8: means is.
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Speaker 1: That they're a face there.
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Speaker 2: You know, you and the devil danced around the fire
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Speaker 2: pit last night.
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Speaker 1: When you heard this. They'll just say, oh, that's curious.
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Speaker 2: They asked, you're thrilled because that means a problem in
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Speaker 2: the jury, a jury feud, and you know it get real, man.
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Speaker 8: Well the defense is thrilled Diddy's defense, Yes, certainly, because
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Speaker 8: what it shows is there's some dissension in the ranks.
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Speaker 8: These folks are not agreeing. And this is from the outset.
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Speaker 8: This is at the very beginning. Look, as you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: during jury selection and once these jurors were selected, they
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Speaker 8: took an oath that said they will follow the law.
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Speaker 8: That is really their central role here. Now we're learning,
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Speaker 8: you know, hours into the deliberation, that there's a problem
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Speaker 8: with that. This prosecution needs to get twelve jurors to
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Speaker 8: agree to be unanimous on conviction, and this trouble so
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Speaker 8: early on is certainly concerning for the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: What could it be?
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Speaker 8: Could it be that this juror is considering evidence outside
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Speaker 8: the trial, considering his personal feelings, sympathy, bias, prejudice, those
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Speaker 8: kind of things, considering stuff he heard in the media
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Speaker 8: that itself could be grounds for a mistrial, could be
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Speaker 8: grounds for air, could be grounds for reversing any conviction
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Speaker 8: that has had.
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Speaker 2: Okay, fatus, did I ever tell you that I somehow,
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Speaker 2: I don't know how I did it got a your r,
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Speaker 2: a lady. I can remember what she looked like, A lady,
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Speaker 2: your r in a murder case, that decided she could
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Speaker 2: not pass judgment on other people.
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Speaker 1: She decided this a midstream.
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Speaker 2: I forgot she had some religion where you're not supposed
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Speaker 2: to pass judgment on other people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, And I don't.
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Speaker 2: Mean just what Chris said, don't judge other people. You
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Speaker 2: know you don't have a leg to stand on. Let
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Speaker 2: he without sining, throw the first stone.
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Speaker 1: That whole thing.
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Speaker 2: It was a tenant in her religion, you cannot pass judgment. Okay,
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Speaker 2: you know what, Why are you telling me in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the trial.
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Speaker 1: Why am I learning this?
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Speaker 2: And then I didn't I didn't make it any better
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Speaker 2: because of my closing statement. I accidentally spit on her. Okay,
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Speaker 2: was that the jury rail I was arguing passionately and
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Speaker 2: it's okay. That didn't help anything. Finally, the juror had
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Speaker 2: to be brought out and reminded of.
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Speaker 1: What you just said. That she took an oath. Uh well,
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Speaker 1: right there.
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Speaker 2: That was a problem too, because the court reporter pointed
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Speaker 2: out to me that she refused to raise her hand
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Speaker 2: and take the jury oath, which I did not see. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that should have been a tip off right there. I
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Speaker 2: should have said, lady Gerard, you're not taking the oath,
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Speaker 2: You're off and take an alternate right then, But I
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Speaker 2: didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: That said. Somehow I manage to get a guilty verdict
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Speaker 1: on that. But you have to be really careful.
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Speaker 2: You're right, fattest they take an oath to follow the law,
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Speaker 2: they've already promised to follow the law. Now, this guy,
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Speaker 2: the molecular biologist PhD.
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Speaker 1: Says he can't follow the law. He needs to be
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Speaker 1: thrown off right now.
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Speaker 8: You know these folks are just people from the community, right,
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Speaker 8: They're not professional jurors. For most of them, this is
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Speaker 8: their first rodeo. And talk about a tumultuous one. My
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Speaker 8: husbands so to be back there and maybe having some
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Speaker 8: kind of buyer's remorse in terms of getting on this
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Speaker 8: jury second guessing, Hey, am I really the right person
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Speaker 8: for this? And now we are in the think of it.
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Speaker 2: This is a lady second guessing. Am I the right
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Speaker 2: person for this? You know what, You may be right,
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Speaker 2: you may be wrong, but you're in it now, man,
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Speaker 2: So get on with it. Joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: But I want to go now to Lynn Shaw, the
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Speaker 2: founder and director Lynn's Warriors, and she is the host
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Speaker 2: of Lynn's Warriors on YouTube. Her organization committed to ending
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking and abuse of women and girls. Lynn Shaw
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Speaker 2: braced yourself. I'm going to tell you what happened in
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Speaker 2: court early this morning. Shawn Combs came out. He was
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Speaker 2: allowed to speak to his mother. Many defendants, violent felony
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Speaker 2: defendants are not allowed to get close to other people,
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Speaker 2: right because they could be slipped. I don't know, a
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Speaker 2: nail file and anything that they could use to escape.
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Speaker 2: They could be handed a joint, they could be handed appeal.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what they could be handed. Any number
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Speaker 2: of things could be slipped to them, or they could
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Speaker 2: have an outburst and attack somebody. But Shawn Combs is
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Speaker 2: getting preferential treatment. But I want to tell you that
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Speaker 2: he thought to tell his mother he loves her outfit.
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Speaker 2: She is war in court today, a green and cream
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Speaker 2: zebra print outfit.
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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not Anna Winter. I don't care what anybody's wearing.
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Speaker 2: But what concerns me is after some of these insights
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Speaker 2: were coming out, he says to his mother, Relax, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be all right.
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Speaker 1: What have they already told him?
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Speaker 2: The jury is having a feud and you're going to
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Speaker 2: have a hung jury.
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Speaker 1: That's my fear. What message will that send?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I am not feeling good about this at all, Nancy,
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Speaker 9: that he is allowed to act like that, because I've
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Speaker 9: been in court and our women and girls that I've
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Speaker 9: been with, they're not allowed to talk to anybody, touch anybody,
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Speaker 9: have any kind of contact like that. So right then
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Speaker 9: and there and telling his mother and she's in court
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Speaker 9: today also relax, listen. I took an oath to stand
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Speaker 9: with survivors and power victims no matter what.
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Speaker 1: This whole trial goes.
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Speaker 9: To what I've been saying all along now for going
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Speaker 9: on eight weeks. The public they don't understand, I bet anything,
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Speaker 9: they do not understand these charges of prostitution across state
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Speaker 9: lines because you know what, society has failed in twenty
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Speaker 9: twenty five to describe all of this to make the
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Speaker 9: public understand. So so what I take the oath and
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Speaker 9: I'm going to go to my death standing up educating
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Speaker 9: the entire world about what sex trafficking really is, what trauma,
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Speaker 9: bonding trauma really is, because everybody better start waking up
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Speaker 9: and understand, because the message to society is going to
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Speaker 9: be very bad if this guy walks out and ends
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Speaker 9: up on one hundred and thirty fifth Street having the
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Speaker 9: barbecue that they have planned for him on the fourth
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Speaker 9: of July to.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall Joining Us renouncesycho Analyst joining us out
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Speaker 2: of the LA jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She's the author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her on Peacock and you can find
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Speaker 2: her online at Dr Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany, here's the deal.
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Speaker 2: Everything that Lanshaw just said.
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Speaker 1: Agree.
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Speaker 2: However, this is not a caveat to what she said.
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Speaker 2: I am transposing what she said onto these proceedings. Many
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Speaker 2: people will argue, well, the state didn't explain it well enough,
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Speaker 2: or the state made it too complicated. Think back to
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Speaker 2: top Mom, Kasey Anthony, if you dare, many people argue
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Speaker 2: the state made it too complicated. You know what the
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Speaker 2: science behind the air in the trunk of Topman's car
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Speaker 2: where her daughter decomposed.
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Speaker 1: The air had particles of D coop in it.
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Speaker 2: Like let's just say you walk into a Kentucky Fried
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Speaker 2: chicken and you smell chicken. Why because minute particles naked
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Speaker 2: to the invisible to the naked eye are in the air,
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Speaker 2: and that's what you're smelling. Okay, let you smell D
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Speaker 2: coop of a decomposing body, which was little KILLI.
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Speaker 1: In the trunk of that car.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's complicated if you go into the scientific minutia
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Speaker 2: of it. But the way the state argued this, when
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Speaker 2: you look at that video, I mean, it's.
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Speaker 1: Really not that hard to understand.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like to me, somebody went in there with
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Speaker 2: a preconceived notion with an extra grind and there being
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Speaker 2: a contrarian or Nancy.
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Speaker 10: My worst fear is that there's a type of group
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Speaker 10: think in this group. In other words, that they may
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Speaker 10: be looking past the science, maybe looking past the prosecution,
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Speaker 10: just like the jurors and the Casey Anthony case, so
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Speaker 10: that they are not really paying attention to this video,
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Speaker 10: or they've become a nerd to it. They've seen it
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Speaker 10: so many times it really doesn't even hold any weight
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Speaker 10: for them anymore. And usually groups do fall into a
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Speaker 10: type of group think where they become cohesive. They all
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Speaker 10: want to think the same things. And my worst fear
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Speaker 10: is that this scientist is what we call out person.
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Speaker 10: He is the only person standing up. Again, this is
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Speaker 10: just a fear, not an active theory, but he's the
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Speaker 10: one saying, hey, let's look at the hard science, let's
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Speaker 10: look at what the prosecutor said, and that the other
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Speaker 10: groups think jurors have just seen it so many times,
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Speaker 10: they're over it, they don't care anymore. And like Lynn
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Speaker 10: Shaw said, people don't really understand sex trafficking. I mean
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Speaker 10: Agnifilo's statement that you know, if a guy wants anal sex,
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Speaker 10: the girl might just give it to him just to
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Speaker 10: please her boyfriend. Really, I think, you know, unfortunately may
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Speaker 10: have fed into this hysterical notion that women were just
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Speaker 10: in it for the money. And I just hope that's
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Speaker 10: not what's happening in this in this jury room, in the.
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Speaker 2: Deliberations, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Welcome back. We are
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Speaker 2: live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and there is trouble.
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Speaker 2: I can smell it a mile away, and Diddy is
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Speaker 2: loving it. Apparently a jury food is threatening a verdict.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lauren Colins. Standing by Lauren, what happened?
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Speaker 5: It is day two of jury deliberations and it seems
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Speaker 5: like the jury is going down the verdict sheep in order.
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Speaker 1: We first heard a.
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Speaker 5: Question from them on day one, as it pertains to
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Speaker 5: the drug Distribution Predicate Act under racketeering.
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Speaker 1: The judge addressed how.
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Speaker 5: He would like to handle this, and he came in
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Speaker 5: on day two and said that he would like to
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Speaker 5: address this by specifically answering their question, referring them back
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Speaker 5: to a portion of the original jury charges. The defense
20:23
Speaker 5: didn't want to do this.
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Speaker 4: They wanted to.
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Speaker 5: Address this question with addressing the charge as a whole,
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Speaker 5: but the judge thought that that would be misleading, So
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Speaker 5: that happened on day two, right at the beginning of
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Speaker 5: the day. And then about an hour later, around ten
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Speaker 5: to fifteen am, the jury came back with a second
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Speaker 5: note as it pertains to Cassie Ventura's testimony, they wanted
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Speaker 5: elements of her testimony pertaining two events regarding the Intercontinental
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Speaker 5: Hotel events following the Cannes Film Festival, and this incident
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Speaker 5: was basically Cassie had testified that she was kicked off
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Speaker 5: Diddy's boat because he accused her of stealing drugs, and
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Speaker 5: she was wearing a beaded dress at the film festival
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Speaker 5: at a movie premiere, and he allegedly dug his hands
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Speaker 5: into her dress and into her arm, and then they
21:18
Speaker 5: flew back to New York and she was made to
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Speaker 5: participate in a freak off. They wanted these events or
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Speaker 5: the testimony of these events, and then they wanted interactions
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Speaker 5: between Cassie and Daniel Phillip, all of those and then
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Speaker 5: an incident involving Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 1: At the Essex Hotel.
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Speaker 5: Now there seemed to be a lot of back and
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Speaker 5: forth and disagreement on what the court should include when
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Speaker 5: sending back the Intercontinental Hotel incident to the jury.
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Speaker 4: So the defense.
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Speaker 5: Actually wanted the portion of the testimony that talked about
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Speaker 5: Cassie getting a ten million dollars settlement from the Intercontinental
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Speaker 5: Hotel included, but they later withdrew this as the judge
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Speaker 5: and the back and forth kind of got a little
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Speaker 5: bit more intense, a little bit more complicated. I think
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Speaker 5: they sort of saw this as an overach and they said, Okay,
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Speaker 5: we withdraw because at one point, when the defense and
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Speaker 5: the government couldn't seem to agree on what to send
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Speaker 5: back to the jury, the judge said, well, why don't
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Speaker 5: we just send back Ms. Ventur's entire testimony, and the
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Speaker 5: defense was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, please, this
22:28
Speaker 5: is over eight hundred pages. The jury asked for specifics.
22:32
Speaker 5: We don't want to overwhelm them, you know, so they
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Speaker 5: kind of, yeah, they withdrew that, and then essentially what
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Speaker 5: was decided on was that they could include about two
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Speaker 5: days prior testimony, two days prior to the Intercontinental Hotel incident,
22:48
Speaker 5: kind of talking about setting this up, and the defense
22:52
Speaker 5: wanted this in because Cassie allegedly texted I want to
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Speaker 5: fo so bad and they wanted to speak to possible
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Speaker 5: coercion there, so they wanted that included. And then the
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Speaker 5: government wanted text messages included about one to two days
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Speaker 5: after to speak to Cassie's mindset, etc. So both of
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Speaker 5: those were let in, as well as the defense wanted
23:15
Speaker 5: Cassie's testimony or Cassie's Instagram post let in which talked
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Speaker 5: about Cassie saying domestic violence is the issue, and the.
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Speaker 4: Judge allowed it.
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Speaker 5: So the court did instruct the parties to get all
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Speaker 5: of these transcripts to the jury by one pm, and
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Speaker 5: they did so, and the jury will continue deliberating. If
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Speaker 5: I had to take a wild guess, at this rate,
23:45
Speaker 5: it seems like the jury is asking good questions, they are.
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Speaker 4: Going in order, and they are making progress.
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Speaker 5: I would say by the third day of deliberations.
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Speaker 1: By the end of the third day, we'll have a verdict.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now. Special guest Rob Shooter, host of not Ay.
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Speaker 2: But Nice podcast and you can find him at robshooter
24:03
Speaker 2: dot substack dot com and former publicist for Sean Comes.
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Speaker 2: When I say, did he's loving it, don't you know?
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Speaker 2: He just told his mom in court Relax, don't worry
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be okay, It's all gonna be all right.
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Speaker 1: What does he know that I don't know?
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Speaker 4: He did.
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Speaker 6: He is loving this year, absolutely right, Nancy, about that.
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Speaker 6: He's loving all the attention. He's loving that everybody is
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Speaker 6: talking about him. And I've been saying this now for
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Speaker 6: a couple of weeks. The mood within the camp, within
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Speaker 6: Team didd he is that this has worked. His strategy,
24:44
Speaker 6: which was his strategy, not his lawyers, it has worked.
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Speaker 6: If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible. And
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Speaker 6: at the moment, he's feeling pretty damn good. Nancy.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of his casual air in the
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Speaker 2: courtroom speaking with his mother. It's not like he has
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Speaker 2: put his family first in life.
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Speaker 1: We know that. So what does this mean?
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to decipher what I'm seeing, what I know
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Speaker 2: to be happening.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean he's all chill and no mistay,
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Speaker 1: saying hey, hey, hey, hey, it's going to be all right.
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Speaker 1: You'll see. What the hey? Does he know that? We
25:27
Speaker 1: don't know? Does he know that.
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Speaker 2: One of the girrars is on his side? Have they
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Speaker 2: made some kind of eye contact or some other kind
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Speaker 2: of contact. I don't know about you stated that did.
25:37
Speaker 2: He orchestrates everything, so if this happens, if he pulls
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Speaker 2: this off, it will be his own orchestration.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, if he pulls this off, he will feel like
25:49
Speaker 6: he is the king of the world. And at the moment, Nanci,
25:53
Speaker 6: We've got to be honest. Your viewers are not going
25:56
Speaker 6: to want to hear this. But things are not going
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Speaker 6: smoothly as the prosecution thought they would. He all along
26:04
Speaker 6: knew the power of celebrity. He sat there, he listened,
26:09
Speaker 6: He showed them he could be Diddy when he wanted
26:11
Speaker 6: to show off. He pretended to be humble when he
26:14
Speaker 6: felt like he needed to be humble. He feels as
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Speaker 6: if the plan is really working now. Let me do
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Speaker 6: point out though, as somebody who knows Diddy, he's always
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Speaker 6: been very confident. Some people would say over confident. I've
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Speaker 6: been at TV shows, I've been at a press events
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Speaker 6: with Diddy where everybody is pulling their hair out, worried
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Speaker 6: about the type of questions or exposure or coverage he's.
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Speaker 8: Going to get.
26:39
Speaker 6: He's always chilled. I was backstaged with him at his
26:42
Speaker 6: big first fashion show, Sean John, which was millions and
26:45
Speaker 6: millions of dollars riding on this product, riding on this show. Everybody,
26:50
Speaker 6: the investors, the publicists, the marketing team, the stylists. We
26:54
Speaker 6: were all running around pulling out of a hair and
26:57
Speaker 6: he was really chilled. He sat and he got chilled.
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Speaker 6: He told me once, the more noise, the louder it gets,
27:05
Speaker 6: the quieter he gets. And so I think that's what
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Speaker 6: he's doing now, is keeping it inside. He's thinking this through.
27:13
Speaker 6: He's calming down his family, his friends, which is a
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Speaker 6: role that he likes to do. He likes to be
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Speaker 6: the boss. And so at the moment, Nancy, he's feeling
27:22
Speaker 6: pretty good. And as somebody who knows him, Nancy, his instincts,
27:26
Speaker 6: unfortunately are often right.
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Speaker 4: I still think did he is bringing the hot sheel?
27:32
Speaker 6: He certainly likes to win and have things his own way.
27:35
Speaker 6: I know he's looking at that jewelry like an audience.
27:38
Speaker 6: He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
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Speaker 6: to lose an audience. Now he's sitting in this courtroom,
27:44
Speaker 6: and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy,
27:47
Speaker 6: he can tell that this just is not working.
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Speaker 1: Did he loving it?
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Speaker 2: Disorder in the court there apparently is Ajror feud, which
27:59
Speaker 2: very often leads to a mistrial a hung jury. Let
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Speaker 2: it not be so in this case, sex attack victims
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Speaker 2: all over the world watching this trial. Adjoining me now
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Speaker 2: is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate Warden, MDC in Brooklyn,
28:16
Speaker 2: former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, the
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Speaker 2: author of Who Are You See It?
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Speaker 1: Say It Sees It?
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Speaker 2: And president of a New Daylight Foundation, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being with us. Question, if
28:31
Speaker 2: he is convicted, why does it come, just stay where
28:35
Speaker 2: he is and serve his sentence there.
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Speaker 1: So, yes, there is.
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Speaker 11: A possibility that an inmate could serve their sentence at
28:44
Speaker 11: a metropolitan attendan center or a federal detention center across
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Speaker 11: the country, but that would be based on the crimes
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Speaker 11: that they're convicted of in the amount of time that
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Speaker 11: they're given. So inmates can serve a sentence less than
28:57
Speaker 11: at ten years or less at a minimum security prison
29:00
Speaker 11: or in a metropolitan or a federal detention center as
29:04
Speaker 11: what we call kind of like camp status or trustee status. However,
29:08
Speaker 11: based on the type of crime that mister Combs is
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Speaker 11: being tried for, and if he's convicted of these sex offenses.
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Speaker 11: More than likely he will serve his time depending on
29:19
Speaker 11: which charges that he is convicted of, either at a
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Speaker 11: high security, a medium security, or a low security facility.
29:29
Speaker 11: Based on these being sex crimes, more than likely, he'll
29:34
Speaker 11: be recommended for a sex offended management program. And there
29:38
Speaker 11: are three specific facilities across the country that are that
29:44
Speaker 11: house inmates for this particular program. The high security institution
29:48
Speaker 11: is usp United States Penitentiary and Tucson, Arizona. The medium
29:53
Speaker 11: facility is the Federal Correction Institution in Marianna, Florida, and
29:58
Speaker 11: the low security Sex Defender Management program is held at
30:02
Speaker 11: Federal Christian Institution in Inglewood, Colorado.
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Speaker 2: Manage his sex offender problem. Manage it, doctor Bethny Marshall.
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Speaker 2: I need a shrink and a drink, but says I
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Speaker 2: don't drink. I'll have to settle for you. Manage his
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Speaker 2: sex predatory problem.
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Speaker 10: What is he saying, Nancy, He may continue offending in jail.
30:30
Speaker 8: You may not want to put him out in general.
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Speaker 10: Population or around other people. He offended allegedly with minors, women, men,
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Speaker 10: anyone he could get his hands on, Nancy. I mean,
30:41
Speaker 10: this guy's was a prolific offender. You think he's going
30:43
Speaker 10: to stop just because he's behind bars. Wasn't there some
30:48
Speaker 10: rumor that he was trying to engage with female inmates
30:53
Speaker 10: through the events or the greats? You know, he has
30:56
Speaker 10: set such a power structure in his life, as Rob's
30:59
Speaker 10: shooter was beautifully describing, He's going to create the same
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Speaker 10: power instruction with his fellow inmates.
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Speaker 8: So that's what's going to have to be monitored.
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Speaker 2: Bethany, can I just stop you right there, all the
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Speaker 2: gibberish that you and Hendricks are spounding right now, no
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Speaker 2: offense manage his sex predatory problem. That day is over.
31:20
Speaker 2: It's time for him to go to jail, right Okay.
31:24
Speaker 2: He has had decades to manage his problem, but he
31:28
Speaker 2: didn't manage his problem.
31:29
Speaker 1: In other words, stop what he was doing. He was
31:32
Speaker 1: having a free cough up to the night he was arrested.
31:35
Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
31:36
Speaker 2: Cidy Summer, Even knowing these charges were pending, what a
31:41
Speaker 2: seawan comms do? He goes to New York as the
31:45
Speaker 2: charges are pending, and he knows this, and he prepares
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Speaker 2: this beautiful hotel suite for another freak cough.
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Speaker 1: He's not managing anything.
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Speaker 7: Cont hotel room in New York on the day of
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Speaker 7: his The rest led investigators to believe that he was
32:03
Speaker 7: staying there with the woman in A lot of the
32:05
Speaker 7: materials seen in that hotel room were the same things
32:08
Speaker 7: that he requested for freakoffs in the past with both
32:12
Speaker 7: Jane and Cathy Ventura. There was mood lighting, there was drugs,
32:16
Speaker 7: there was baby oil and astroglide. It looked like he
32:20
Speaker 7: was primed to host another freakoff in the days leading
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Speaker 7: us to his arrival.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I mean, really, if a feeling federal indictment for sex
32:38
Speaker 2: trafficking won't help you manage your problem, In other words,
32:41
Speaker 2: stop it? What will no offense, Doctor Dwayne Hendricks. But
32:46
Speaker 2: I you know, I got a call foul on everything
32:48
Speaker 2: that you just said about managing a problem. He is
32:52
Speaker 2: the problem. But here's another question, doctor Hendrix. If he
32:56
Speaker 2: is convicted. If he is convicted, how long would it
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Speaker 2: take for times to be shipped to his knee forever home.
33:03
Speaker 11: Typically, once an inmates is sentenced, the US Marshals will
33:08
Speaker 11: send over their packet with the judgment and commitment order
33:13
Speaker 11: along with the precenterged report to the designation and sentenced
33:17
Speaker 11: Computation Center in Grand Prairie, Texas, and typically they take
33:21
Speaker 11: about thirty forty five days to create a designation for
33:25
Speaker 11: that for a particular inmate. But since mister Colmbs is
33:29
Speaker 11: a high profile inmate, I'm sure he will be on
33:32
Speaker 11: the priority list to get him out of MDC as
33:36
Speaker 11: soon as possible, So he'll probably be designated, probably within
33:40
Speaker 11: thirty days of his sentencing if convicted, and more than
33:45
Speaker 11: likely he'll be moved on. Once designated. I'm sure the
33:50
Speaker 11: staff at MDC will probably be calling again the Designation
33:54
Speaker 11: and Competation Center to reach out to their transportation folks
33:58
Speaker 11: to get him on an airline lift to his designated
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Speaker 11: facility as soon as practical.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Henry, speaking of transport, how would comes be transported?
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Speaker 11: So inmates are transported to a site for an airlift,
34:17
Speaker 11: more than likely, since he's at MDC Brooklyn, the marshals
34:20
Speaker 11: will pick him up. They'll take him to an underclosed
34:23
Speaker 11: site for the flight, and he'll fly on the Marshall's
34:27
Speaker 11: plane we call him airlifts, and more than likely he'll
34:29
Speaker 11: be transferred depending on where he's headed, but more than
34:33
Speaker 11: likely he'll probably spend a few days at the Federal
34:35
Speaker 11: Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and then move to
34:41
Speaker 11: his designated facility from there or another federal transfer or
34:46
Speaker 11: not federal transfer but Federal detention center or metropolitan Detention
34:51
Speaker 11: center en route to the facility that he's designated to.
34:55
Speaker 11: So he will be on a plane, handcuffed, martin chain,
34:58
Speaker 11: black boxed along with several other inmates.
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Speaker 1: And unlike the private flights.
35:03
Speaker 11: That he's been used to taking with first class service,
35:08
Speaker 11: this will not be that. So that will be how
35:11
Speaker 11: he'd be transported to his new facility.
35:13
Speaker 2: We are on a verdict watch here at Crime Stories
35:16
Speaker 2: as apparently a feud has developed behind closed doors in
35:21
Speaker 2: the jury deliberation room.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Sydney Summer.
35:23
Speaker 2: Joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from
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Speaker 2: the get go Sidney Summer.
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Speaker 1: What have been the questions?
35:29
Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: We know the first one, after about an.
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Speaker 2: Hour plus of deliberations was hey, one juror refuses to
35:37
Speaker 2: follow the facts of the law.
35:38
Speaker 1: What happened after.
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Speaker 7: That, Well, there was another note and that had a
35:42
Speaker 7: legal question jurors requestioning what exactly is drug distribution? Asking
35:49
Speaker 7: if somebody asks for drugs and somebody else delivers drugs
35:53
Speaker 7: to the request, is that drug distribution now prosecutors wanted
35:59
Speaker 7: to write down yes, but the judge ultimately just read
36:03
Speaker 7: back a portion of the original jury instructions to the
36:07
Speaker 7: jury this morning before they were sent back to the
36:10
Speaker 7: deliberation room. And the next question that we heard today
36:15
Speaker 7: was wanting to review witness transcript again. So they asked
36:20
Speaker 7: specifically for Kathie's testimony for three different days, so the
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Speaker 7: Intercontinental Hotel incident, the incident at the Cans Film Festival
36:31
Speaker 7: where Sean Combs kicked her off of the yacht without
36:35
Speaker 7: her passport, without shoes for hours, and third in relation
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Speaker 7: to any three cots with Daniel Phillips, and they said,
36:44
Speaker 7: if any if there's any testimony regarding Daniel Phillips from
36:48
Speaker 7: Kazi Ventura, we want to hear that. And then they
36:51
Speaker 7: also asked for Daniel Phillips testimony in regard to the
36:55
Speaker 7: incident where there was a freak off homes yelled at
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Speaker 7: Cas because she didn't come to him quick enough, took
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Speaker 7: her in another room and Philip could hear Colmb's slapping
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Speaker 7: Cafie behind a closed door before they came back out,
37:11
Speaker 7: and Combs instructed them to resume the freak off. So
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Speaker 7: these are the things that they're asking for, and it
37:17
Speaker 7: really seems that they are arguing over this sex trafficking
37:22
Speaker 7: charge coming to Cafie.
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Speaker 2: Well another issue to Robert Crispin, former DEA Crispin, if
37:31
Speaker 2: they want to know, if you hand drugs to someone
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Speaker 2: that asked for it, is that distribution.
37:38
Speaker 1: I mean, the law is clear that that is distribution.
37:42
Speaker 8: Of course, it is possession of drugs for the guy
37:44
Speaker 8: who takes it as well. And if we back it.
37:47
Speaker 1: Up and go further where the guy who gave it to.
37:49
Speaker 8: Diddy, we get the guy who gave that to his dealer,
37:52
Speaker 8: then we get that guy for a distribution. I want
37:54
Speaker 8: to keep going down the pike back to the mother load.
37:57
Speaker 8: We'll take everyone for conspiracy. So yes, looks like they're
38:01
Speaker 8: looking at the drug charges, which I kind of like.
38:03
Speaker 8: I do like that part.
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Speaker 2: Verry Fattus, a veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado,
38:08
Speaker 2: founding partner of oigner of Fattus Elite Legal Eric.
38:12
Speaker 1: If he goes down on a.
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Speaker 2: Single charge, yes it's a split verdict, is a victory
38:17
Speaker 2: of sorts for the defense.
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Speaker 1: But on any charge he's going to do at least
38:21
Speaker 1: ten that's questionable.
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure about that. So certainly the rico charge
38:25
Speaker 8: carries up to his whole life. That's incredibly serious. Sex
38:28
Speaker 8: traves king same thing up to his entire life in prison. However,
38:32
Speaker 8: the most provable charge here is probably the least serious.
38:36
Speaker 8: That's the intersafe prostitution charge. Now it does carry up
38:39
Speaker 8: to ten years, but the judge has discretion here. Nancy
38:43
Speaker 8: and the judge could look at different guidelines and factors
38:46
Speaker 8: and decide whether whether the max is appropriate or whether
38:51
Speaker 8: time served is appropriate. There's no mandatory minimum here for
38:54
Speaker 8: that fadus.
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Speaker 2: We all know about departures upward and downward departures. In
39:00
Speaker 2: the federal sentencing there are mandatory sentences, but the judge
39:06
Speaker 2: can look at the facts and say, hey, you know,
39:09
Speaker 2: fill in the blank. I think you should have more time,
39:12
Speaker 2: or I think you should have less time.
39:14
Speaker 1: So take off your defense hat.
39:16
Speaker 2: Let's just get real for one minute. Just try you
39:21
Speaker 2: really think this judge that has heard all this evidence
39:27
Speaker 2: would give a downward departure at the federal sentencing guidelines, really,
39:34
Speaker 2: because I don't see it if Seawn comes walks on
39:38
Speaker 2: other charges.
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Speaker 1: But let's just pick a charge. Let's go with drugs
39:42
Speaker 1: and let's just pick that.
39:43
Speaker 2: Although I think clearly they proved that he brought in
39:47
Speaker 2: sex workers across state lines for illegal purposes, that being prostitution.
39:51
Speaker 2: It's really clear. Okay, let's go with that one. You're right,
39:55
Speaker 2: that's the best one proved so far. You really think
39:59
Speaker 2: that after all this judge is heard, he would give
40:02
Speaker 2: a lighter sentence because I don't agree with that.
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Speaker 8: You know, the judge is going to look at a
40:08
Speaker 8: number of factors, including a lack of.
40:11
Speaker 1: Criminal history and polarized.
40:15
Speaker 8: So I think it's it's possible, based on how polarizing
40:18
Speaker 8: this case has been, different interpretations.
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Speaker 2: Indivable, that the judge is going to go, yeah, you know,
40:26
Speaker 2: I don't believe any of all those weeks of testimony,
40:29
Speaker 2: so I'm going to give him a lighter sentence.
40:31
Speaker 1: You really really think? And what universe is that going
40:34
Speaker 1: to happen?
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Speaker 8: The judge might say, Hey, the jury didn't believe the testimony.
40:37
Speaker 8: They're the ultimate fact finder here and I'm going to
40:40
Speaker 8: defer to their decision on this, And on top of that,
40:43
Speaker 8: Diddy has been through the ringer and if he is
40:45
Speaker 8: found not guilty on those more serious counts, the judge
40:48
Speaker 8: might say, hey, this or that.
40:50
Speaker 1: Has been enough for you.
40:50
Speaker 2: Glynshaw, did you hear that Fattas says Diddy has been
40:54
Speaker 2: through the ringer?
40:55
Speaker 9: I mean really, I mean really, how dare you say
40:58
Speaker 9: that when we have thousands and thousand of these alleged victims,
41:01
Speaker 9: survivors of Ditty who's talking about them being put through
41:05
Speaker 9: the ringer? Nobody understands this is a life sentence now
41:08
Speaker 9: for them with trauma. This is what nobody is really understanding.
41:13
Speaker 9: I'm tired of all the focus. I don't care he's
41:16
Speaker 9: sitting there. If this guy, if I had my way,
41:18
Speaker 9: I'd put him out in the desert. He'd have to
41:19
Speaker 9: wear that white towel for the rest of his life,
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Speaker 9: and he'd be the only one in his own ditty prison.
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Speaker 9: Because you know who's in prison right now, all of
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Speaker 9: these victims. And I want to remind everybody there were
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Speaker 9: men also.
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Speaker 4: We didn't hear about it.
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Speaker 1: I always heard.
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Speaker 9: I don't have proof, but I always heard there were
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Speaker 9: male victims of ditties as well. I also heard about miners.
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Speaker 9: That's what I heard. Again, I don't have proof. We
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Speaker 9: didn't hear about any of this so put through the ringer.
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Speaker 9: Please wash your mouth out with soap before we do
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Speaker 9: it for you. Don't don't refer to him as anything
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Speaker 9: except triple D, dirty ditty, degenerate because he's a horrible monster.
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Speaker 1: Washes her mouth and then boil his lips.
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Speaker 2: As we wait for a verdict in the Shawn Combs
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Speaker 2: sex trafficking trial, we stopped to remember an American hero,
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Speaker 2: Detective Gregory Farency of the Tera Haut p D. Fifty three,
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Speaker 2: shot in the line of duty and killed, survived by
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Speaker 2: two children, Nicholas and Peyton. American hero Detective Gregory Farancy
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,